I see. That is quite unintuitive. It felt a lot tankier than when I was running around with 2.2k life, that's for sure. Maybe because the pots now allow me to spam ward up to 5k. I will have to change some more things around. Thanks for letting me know!
Thank you alot, comming from Diablo2 i Was looking for a similar build to the Trap assasin, laying down traps that shoot. With this build i got So much fun, the movement is so nice, and i like it they way it works with the ballistas. Very similar. So nice. Thanks again!
Awsome build and as someone else commented - very easy to transfer to this from Palsterons exploding ballista build which had me farm the 100% crit amulet already. Mainly commenting just for the algorithm. Your build should get more attention.
Also wanted to mention, very cool build. I'm trying this out as well, as i didnt really like the other ballista builds. Yesterday i stumbled upon the belt Chains of Uleros, it seems like it might have some nice synergy with this build, and could free up some Idol slots. Did you consider using that one over Jungle Queen?
It’s an option for sure. Jungle Queen gives nice minion stats and the dodge bonus is a good bonus though. And having 16 max potions is so comfy. But until you find one this belt is also good.
it's not worth using gambler's fallacy on bow ballista build. That's for apogee's / melee weapon variant who can't crit-cap otherwise as ballista doesn't inherit melee stats (damage / crit) through respective nodes. Generic basecrit/damage and bow basecrit/damage apply to ballista. it's super-trivial to crit cap with talons of valor and many other bases with t7 10% basecrit affix as you get up to 15% basecrit just from bow, and then from tree you'll also get like 8-11. At that point you're up to like 30% basecrit probably on ballista and peak of the mountain alone puts you at almost critcap. Amulet slot is much more valuable than helmet slot, has some of most powerfull t7 nodes / insane base with 80% total res etc.
Using Peak of the Mountain + T7 flat crit chance bow is an option to reach crit cap. In fact, this was my goal setup before I learned about Gambler's. From the tree, however, you only get +3% base crit. Taking the second node in flat crit chance is a huge dps loss compared to an extra point in Elixir of Construction (20% more dmg per point). However, to state Gambler's is "not worth using" is false. I believe it is still the best in slot setup. Let's break down the difference. Using your proposed build we lose: - We lose a bow prefix slot and the option to use another T7 mod on bow, since we're "wasting" it on 10% flat crit. - Using Talons of Valor we lose 2 ballistaes which is a big dps loss endgame. The higher implicit bow damage on Talons slightly makes up for this, however. I don't think the extra falconry nodes are too useful, unless your build leans more towards dex than mine does (mine is int focussed). - We lose the useful stats from Boneclamor. +5 all attribute is far from as useful as 13 int/13 dex. We also lose the armor, necro res, and ward/sec. What we gain depends on how low the LP of our Gamber's is. If we're comparing 0LP Gambler's to a sealed exalted neck, then we gain 5 strong neck mods, losing a weak implicit (25hp) and a T2 crit multi. In an endgame setup however, I'd expect at least a 2LP Gambler's, so we lose the better implicit, 2 T5 + 1 T4 mods at best. If I do the math, my setup comes out on top. Especially the 240 extra armor from Boneclamor convinces me. This equates to about 10% more EPH in this build. That being said, your setup is certainly legit, and I would go for it if I had a 4LP Peak.
@@shionxoxo > We lose a bow prefix slot and the option to use another T7 mod on bow, since we're "wasting" it on 10% flat crit. Ok, fair point but if you go explosive has up to 28% attack speed which is effective more multiplier on procs. Also by your logic 5 points in handler giving you 5% ballista & minion basecrit is half-wasted... > Using Talons of Valor we lose 2 ballistaes which is a big dps loss endgame. Valid point if you're running ballistas and not explosive ballistas (for explosive more ballistas actually worse, really advice to try explosive as clear is uncomparably better / aoe insane). But you can also stick with your +ballistas bow base and still critcap, it'll just take some more crit affixes somewhere (e.g. pretty abundant and high roll on relics). > We lose the useful stats from Boneclamor. +5 all attribute is far from as useful as 13 int/13 dex. We also lose the armor, necro res, and ward/sec. Barbute is sure a great generic base, much better than Peak, but misses it's biggest point with just ~100% necro res. > What we gain depends on how low the LP of our Gamber's is. If we're comparing 0LP Gambler's Was mostly talking about build investment where you'll have 0lp gambler's and 0lp jungle queen's. And having explosive variant bias(whether from traps or manual placed), for purely your variant indeed your endgame will be better, given you can afford all that.
Heya, thank you! I’ll consider doing a video on it soon. For now, I’d advice this: You can definitely level with this build though. Once you unlock falconer you will go through the campaign smoothly. Focus on offensive stats at first, and try to get items that give +skill to ballista or falcon things. Boneclamor can be found early and will help a lot with defense. Don’t focus on health->ward conversion until you get the unique chest and a good pair of experimental gloves. Also, keep updating your loot filters every while. Don’t waste too much time manually checking rares/exalts.
Tooltip states that endurance does not apply to ward . Was that an oversight or is there some mechanic im missing? Also thanks for the updates , i 've been basically copying your build .
Yes, I use the gear I showed. I have not tried this build, but I don't like the exploding Ballista graphics. It hurts my eyes looking at the flashbangs all day. Turret Ballistas do great single target imo.
hey, i cant find it myself and checked your video, u r using potions and they give ward isntead of life.. wheres the mechanic for that? great build btw.. not even close to be high end but i already love it
I use “potion healing to ward” Idols for that. You can also find it as a mod on some slots, like on gloves. Until you have this at 90%+ don’t go for lowlife ward unique.
Alright I gotta type something out here... Endurance only affects your health, and not your ward. Endurance is useless on your build. The lenses that increase costs of prophecies do not stack, you are basically wasting one of those slots.
Regarding endurance, someone pointed this out already. I put it in the description so that hopefully it won’t confuse anyone. It doesn’t make any change to the build however, as foot of the mountain with a good stat roll are still best in slot. The greater lenses do stack. The description specifically says (multiplicative with other modifiers). Try it out for yourself, you’ll see the cost multiply.
The two purple lenses do stack. That's why you see this 13000 favor prophecy that drop 10x unique that can be repeat 2 times. Netting 40 total uniques with just 13000 favorite (if you lvl 10 of course)
@@Kamil-oy4es Probably still is, due to the all attributes. You need high LP and good attributes roll though. Blood of the Exile is also good. I've also seen ballista builds run Mourningfrost but I'm honestly not sure how the cold damage interaction works on physical damage ballista. I can't test it out either way, because I don't have 180 total attributes without Foot of the Mountain.
@@Kamil-oy4es Not sure if I'll add anything to it this cycle. If I have new ideas I will. I've been playing it for a bit more, but there is not much news to share. It's working well and can do higher corruptions, but getting gear upgrades without Merchant Guild gets difficult at my level.
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Endurance only works for damage taken by health so you don’t have to care about it as a ward build.
I see. That is quite unintuitive. It felt a lot tankier than when I was running around with 2.2k life, that's for sure. Maybe because the pots now allow me to spam ward up to 5k. I will have to change some more things around. Thanks for letting me know!
It has tooltip on hover that ward damage is not reduced by Endurance
Thank you alot, comming from Diablo2 i Was looking for a similar build to the Trap assasin, laying down traps that shoot. With this build i got So much fun, the movement is so nice, and i like it they way it works with the ballistas. Very similar. So nice. Thanks again!
Awsome build and as someone else commented - very easy to transfer to this from Palsterons exploding ballista build which had me farm the 100% crit amulet already. Mainly commenting just for the algorithm. Your build should get more attention.
Сool build, I liked the ballistas to increase their attack speed. Shoot like a machine gun .
now thats a bonkers build.
awesome build super nice to transition from my Palstreon explody ballistas
Also wanted to mention, very cool build. I'm trying this out as well, as i didnt really like the other ballista builds.
Yesterday i stumbled upon the belt Chains of Uleros, it seems like it might have some nice synergy with this build, and could free up some Idol slots. Did you consider using that one over Jungle Queen?
It’s an option for sure. Jungle Queen gives nice minion stats and the dodge bonus is a good bonus though. And having 16 max potions is so comfy. But until you find one this belt is also good.
it's not worth using gambler's fallacy on bow ballista build. That's for apogee's / melee weapon variant who can't crit-cap otherwise as ballista doesn't inherit melee stats (damage / crit) through respective nodes.
Generic basecrit/damage and bow basecrit/damage apply to ballista.
it's super-trivial to crit cap with talons of valor and many other bases with t7 10% basecrit affix as you get up to 15% basecrit just from bow, and then from tree you'll also get like 8-11.
At that point you're up to like 30% basecrit probably on ballista and peak of the mountain alone puts you at almost critcap.
Amulet slot is much more valuable than helmet slot, has some of most powerfull t7 nodes / insane base with 80% total res etc.
Using Peak of the Mountain + T7 flat crit chance bow is an option to reach crit cap. In fact, this was my goal setup before I learned about Gambler's. From the tree, however, you only get +3% base crit. Taking the second node in flat crit chance is a huge dps loss compared to an extra point in Elixir of Construction (20% more dmg per point).
However, to state Gambler's is "not worth using" is false. I believe it is still the best in slot setup. Let's break down the difference.
Using your proposed build we lose:
- We lose a bow prefix slot and the option to use another T7 mod on bow, since we're "wasting" it on 10% flat crit.
- Using Talons of Valor we lose 2 ballistaes which is a big dps loss endgame. The higher implicit bow damage on Talons slightly makes up for this, however. I don't think the extra falconry nodes are too useful, unless your build leans more towards dex than mine does (mine is int focussed).
- We lose the useful stats from Boneclamor. +5 all attribute is far from as useful as 13 int/13 dex. We also lose the armor, necro res, and ward/sec.
What we gain depends on how low the LP of our Gamber's is. If we're comparing 0LP Gambler's to a sealed exalted neck, then we gain 5 strong neck mods, losing a weak implicit (25hp) and a T2 crit multi. In an endgame setup however, I'd expect at least a 2LP Gambler's, so we lose the better implicit, 2 T5 + 1 T4 mods at best.
If I do the math, my setup comes out on top. Especially the 240 extra armor from Boneclamor convinces me. This equates to about 10% more EPH in this build. That being said, your setup is certainly legit, and I would go for it if I had a 4LP Peak.
@@shionxoxo
> We lose a bow prefix slot and the option to use another T7 mod on bow, since we're "wasting" it on 10% flat crit.
Ok, fair point but if you go explosive has up to 28% attack speed which is effective more multiplier on procs.
Also by your logic 5 points in handler giving you 5% ballista & minion basecrit is half-wasted...
> Using Talons of Valor we lose 2 ballistaes which is a big dps loss endgame.
Valid point if you're running ballistas and not explosive ballistas (for explosive more ballistas actually worse, really advice to try explosive as clear is uncomparably better / aoe insane).
But you can also stick with your +ballistas bow base and still critcap, it'll just take some more crit affixes somewhere (e.g. pretty abundant and high roll on relics).
> We lose the useful stats from Boneclamor. +5 all attribute is far from as useful as 13 int/13 dex. We also lose the armor, necro res, and ward/sec.
Barbute is sure a great generic base, much better than Peak, but misses it's biggest point with just ~100% necro res.
> What we gain depends on how low the LP of our Gamber's is. If we're comparing 0LP Gambler's
Was mostly talking about build investment where you'll have 0lp gambler's and 0lp jungle queen's.
And having explosive variant bias(whether from traps or manual placed), for purely your variant indeed your endgame will be better, given you can afford all that.
the quest for this amulet is disabled right now
You can get it from Soulfire Bastion gambler
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Supercool build, is it possible to make a leveling guide for it? Transitioning into mid and late game?
Heya, thank you! I’ll consider doing a video on it soon. For now, I’d advice this:
You can definitely level with this build though. Once you unlock falconer you will go through the campaign smoothly. Focus on offensive stats at first, and try to get items that give +skill to ballista or falcon things. Boneclamor can be found early and will help a lot with defense. Don’t focus on health->ward conversion until you get the unique chest and a good pair of experimental gloves.
Also, keep updating your loot filters every while. Don’t waste too much time manually checking rares/exalts.
Tooltip states that endurance does not apply to ward . Was that an oversight or is there some mechanic im missing?
Also thanks for the updates , i 've been basically copying your build .
crit avoid is good for "finesse them" but yeah, not worth losing 2 ballistas
any updates, or still can use this build planner?goat one
Haven’t been playing too much, made it to around 900 corruption recently. Build works fine :)
Endurance does not affect Ward, even shows it on the tooltip you hovered over
Hello Great video do you use your neck and your chest in the endgame? and what is your opinion about EA Ballista and what you play from Single Target?
Yes, I use the gear I showed. I have not tried this build, but I don't like the exploding Ballista graphics. It hurts my eyes looking at the flashbangs all day. Turret Ballistas do great single target imo.
i assume the ward gain on crit, doesn't do much on the gambler's fallacy, since there are no direct crits?
That’s right
hey, i cant find it myself and checked your video, u r using potions and they give ward isntead of life.. wheres the mechanic for that?
great build btw.. not even close to be high end but i already love it
I use “potion healing to ward” Idols for that. You can also find it as a mod on some slots, like on gloves. Until you have this at 90%+ don’t go for lowlife ward unique.
@@shionxoxo uh damn.. true that, i havent checked the idols for that.. great idea and solution for that problem! thanks alot
Dragon boss monolith oneshot me. Void 75. Killed void. 78 level now.
Alright I gotta type something out here...
Endurance only affects your health, and not your ward. Endurance is useless on your build.
The lenses that increase costs of prophecies do not stack, you are basically wasting one of those slots.
Regarding endurance, someone pointed this out already. I put it in the description so that hopefully it won’t confuse anyone. It doesn’t make any change to the build however, as foot of the mountain with a good stat roll are still best in slot.
The greater lenses do stack. The description specifically says (multiplicative with other modifiers). Try it out for yourself, you’ll see the cost multiply.
The two purple lenses do stack. That's why you see this 13000 favor prophecy that drop 10x unique that can be repeat 2 times. Netting 40 total uniques with just 13000 favorite (if you lvl 10 of course)
How quickly does this kill T4 Julra
Roughly 20 seconds with my gear. Could probably kill her before she starts casting if I switch to offensive idols
Hello, i think that endurance is useless if U play as ward character...
Absolutely. I've corrected this in the video description.
Ok, cool, so i think that foot of the mountain are not best in slot item, ima right ?
@@shionxoxo
@@Kamil-oy4es Probably still is, due to the all attributes. You need high LP and good attributes roll though. Blood of the Exile is also good. I've also seen ballista builds run Mourningfrost but I'm honestly not sure how the cold damage interaction works on physical damage ballista. I can't test it out either way, because I don't have 180 total attributes without Foot of the Mountain.
@@shionxoxo Ok. Youre going to update this build with some new videos, fresh thoughts etc ?
@@Kamil-oy4es Not sure if I'll add anything to it this cycle. If I have new ideas I will. I've been playing it for a bit more, but there is not much news to share. It's working well and can do higher corruptions, but getting gear upgrades without Merchant Guild gets difficult at my level.
Why intelligence is good than dexterity??
Ward retention and 2% more ballista damage per int (through node in Aerial assault). Since this is a separate multiplier it ends up adding a lot.
@@shionxoxo thank u so much!
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