Sail Life - digging deep - the adventures of the of the bilge
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I’ve never watched a RUclips video that is this informative and funny at the same time.
That bilge problem is the best argumentet for not byeing an old boat
You inheret other people’s problems
Big cadeau to Mads for dealing with the problem with such good mood 👍
This episode was so hilarious that my daughter got hooked on this channel!
Mads, I have never commented on your channel which I have enjoyed greatly thru the years. In this video you removed the barrier layer of the integral keel. To be clear an integral keel sailboat, such as yours has a keel that is part of the molded hull and not a bolt on keel which is popular on production boat due to the fact it supports a number of different depth and performance configurations. Having at least one barrier layer is a requirement of ABYS for integral keel fiberglass sailboats and some boats have two. Our Caliber 40 LRC has two and it is great comfort to have when sailing the shallow waters of the Caribbean. The barrier layer is in the event the keel strikes a hard object and is holed. While the water can get into the keel spaces it cannot flood the boat until the barrier is breached.
A strike or grounding hard enough to hole the keel skin could damage a poorly made barrier so I recommend your do a good job on the installation. You do very good work so I am not concerned with the quality of your installations. I cannot say I am very familiar with your boat so I cannot layout a design however I will make a few suggestions.
1. I would not leave the space simple empty and filled with air or a dry gas. Due to temperature changes the differential pressure between the outside water and the interior of the keel body could lead to failures.
2. You could replace it with closed cell foam or if your boat is not weight sensitive additional ballast material. Either way something that takes up volume. I have even heard of these things filled with oil though I do not recommend that.
The only reason I am commenting is I have not heard you return to this subject lately and don't know if you are planning actions for this area. It certainly does not have to be address while you are in the shed where other project schedules are driving your actions at present.
I have spent many years building ships and enjoy sea going vessel technology. We have a blog SV Kooky Dance if you want to make sure I am not a kook.
Happy Regards
Capt. Scott Buckley
SV Kooky Dance
You should be called Job with the amount of patience you have. That yacht is going to be a 2021 model at this rate brand new !
I caught myself breathing through my mouth the whole time I watched this!!!
Mads and Ava. Enjoy your time together. And a few things to ponder.
1. Consider Wearing a face mask. A trim or shave will help make a good seal. Cuts smell and prevents sickness. If you can still smell bildge through an organic vapor filter, may not be a good seal. (Seems to me you may have not been feeling well after some of this was shot, if I am mistaken I applozise). Yes I know they are a pain, but so is being sick.
2. Consider a heat exchanger to help offset fuel cost to heat and cool living space. Locate inside on wall of keel next to sea water and compine with 3. Think geothermal heating/cooling. (Seaothermal) 😁
3. A removable soft tank/bladder to hold liquid. Diesel tank or water (clean, grey or black). But removable as dirt and water will find its way to lowest spot. Plan to remove, clean, and maybe replace tanks periodically. This tank will heat or cool the other side of heat exchanger and heat exchanger may help prevent diesel gel problem in extreme cold. The heat exchanger should be a sealed system so odor should be mitigated.
Storage there seems to me will not be practical. It will be too much of a hasle to get to and will only be accessed in an emergency and will likely be contaminated with nasty bildge crud that will only exasperate the problems. That seems grim. Store food high, chemicals low, and don't get turned over. Good luck.
THIS IS THE BEST EPISODE EVER!!!
I was laughing so hard :-)
30 years of smelly shower water!!!
Well deserved holiday!!!
Hi, I just went through this same sump-filled-with-oil-and-wet-foam on an Ericson 29 I am restoring. Couple things to note, these deep-water sump areas can present a sinking hazard if you back the boat up onto rocks.. or if anchor chain saws through the back of the keel in a storm. Many 70's 80's encapsulated keel boats have them. To clean mine I went through much the same process as you thus far -- but to really get the last of it I used oderless (lies!) mineral spirits in a spray bottle to wet, scrub, remove (many paper towels were sacrificed to this) eventually the paper towels come back up without any oil and at this point you've won..
I don't know if you want to put this much effort into making it pristine, in my case I was filling the sump with with equal parts in volume epoxy and sand with chopped strand glass added and wanted a good bond. I left a little 12" deep by about 10" long new sump, big enough to take a bilge pump (or two in my case, using a diaphragm pump as primary and a high capacity bilge pump as highwater). Glassed over all of this and...wallah! looks great, can no longer sink the boat, some extra ballast, perfect little low water sump that can be reached to clean in the future...
Just some thoughts, love the channel!!!
Hi Mas,
Good move addressing bilge issues before Ava arrives.;) A small lower bilge pump helps keep the rest of the bilge dry and usable for storage. It also is something of a safety feature as an alarmed lower bilge pump buys some time in the event of a leak.
I don’t know how often you haul, but a garboard plug at the bottom allows the lower bilge to dryout when on the hard. But given the depth inaccessibility of your lower bilge, you might consider partially filling it. That should also help with the hydro head load.
BTW I tried to post on Patreon but it was having response issues from here. Hope you guys enjoy your tour.
Oh Mads, it's always a fiest after watching a nice Delos video to be catapulted back in reality of owning a boat! :-D We run out of air laughing at the first part of your video. Keep going!
Mads, I hope your shop vac appreciates your sacrifice. I would have abused mine at the first hint of a reach problem.
Amen to that! (Yes, I know this is two years old!)
Mads my favourite episode in a while. We need a short video on Danish swearing: It sounds so wrong but must feel sooooo right!
Congrats on inventing the bilge-mop, Mads!
... you are the fearless knight of the bilges!
That was great! I really admire your attitude toward all the work you do. A true labor of love.
I was expecting 'Spiffy'-branded disposable gloves instead of 'Amazing'. Hope you and Ava have a great time.
Ohhh my, you have given me new-found love and appreciation for my own boat. Shallow bilge and bolt on keel! I think I'm starting to learn and understand Danish! ;-)
Of all the specialised tools I have seen you use for your refit, a shovel into the bilge was the last I expected! :P
I love your commentary. Good luck with your repairs and safe travels.
For the amount of alcoholics in this chat, suggesting beer and wine coolers, I will recommend (on their behalf) that you turn the extra space into a fermenting chamber. The contents can then be siphoned into a custom still on the stern cockpit where you can make your own white lightning, jar it up and slowly pickle your liver on the high seas playing chicken with tankers, cargo ships and icebergs.
LMAO......very funny.
Line it with Oak for Bilge Bourbon...
The American navy don't need any help playing chicken with tankers and container ships.
Great video Mads! First let me preface what I am about to say with the disclaimer that I am no expert, but I agree with what others have written about leaving it open for shipped water. Put a small "maintenance" pump in the bottom, and the just above it place a high water alarm and a high volume workhorse pump. This way if you have something go wrong(submerged shipping containers anyone?), and you have more that the "normal" odd amount of water coming in, the alarm will let you know and you will have more time to find the leak before it gets submerged, since the bilge can hold more. I have read that leaks are easy to find, until they are submerged! Good luck and keep the great videos coming!
Work in the 70’s at a boatyard. Foam was the new answer for everything. I mixed and poured tons out it back in the day. Sorry boating world I did not know how bad the stuff would be down the road. I new have pulled out piles of it and hate spray foam with a passion.
Great video again Mads, this boat is going to be better than new.. Enjoy your time with Ava!
Hey Mads, you can save your shop vac by making another canister with an inlet and outlet. Simply connect the shop vac to the outlet and use the inlet to vacuum up the mess. The wet dirty bilge will simply collect in the canister you have made and if you empty it in time, will not make it to the shop vac. Once you have made the canister, use it over and over again.
A deep bilge is actually a good thing. If you're shipping water, chances are you're doing so in rough seas. A deep bilge keeps the weight of bilge water down low in the boat, which is just where you want it in those circumstances. On long passages, lightly grease your anchor chain (to prevent rust) and dump it right down there for extra ballast.
Great advice. There is a channel called, "Sailing Emerald Steele,". That is exactly the same advice they gave in a video. When making a long passage they put their 300 ft of chain, centered in the bilge. They have been at it for 30+ yrs.
It also keeps the shipped water from soaking into woodwork and other things inside the boat. In general the lower you can keep shipped water, the more comfortable your passage is going to be.
Hi Mads, I am at this moment going through all your videos, a few a day, well as many as I can. I had to laugh then you got a bit of a whiff from your bilge. You should try a bilge of a ship. As an ex-navy stoker you are lucky that is all you had. As always thanks for your kind heart and fun. Lars Aust.
Mads, what ever you put in there has to be long term stowage in an adverse conditions. If you want something simple, load it with ballast, and seal it. You will lower your center of gravity a little which will either mean less heeling or you will be able to fly more sail to increase your chance of breaking something. One form of ballast might be to have long term tanks down there to increase the amount of diesel you have. They would be the last tanks you pump out of, and you would run the fuel through the polisher on the way to the "clean" fuel oil tank. A still was a good idea. A wine cellar if you want to be more refined. You can also store a lot of cans of beans down there.
You made a mop with your rags and stick. Awesome.
Hi, could the wet foam and bilge have been contributing to he moisture levels in the hull? I admire your restraint with the swearing I think I would have cleared the yard and scared away the seagulls with mine 😋
H2Dwoat I was thinking the same!!
ABSOLUTELY!
was thinking the same as well
Ya, it seems like every few weeks Mads is finding something wet that is sitting against hull glass. It seems like the hull was really fine, but there were too many things holding moisture against it from the inside to expect a dry hull free of blisters. I'm guessing with all of the inside work to get rid of moisture he's reclaiming decades of life on that hull that simply keeping the boat out of the water for a year wouldn't have done.
Also, Mads, if you read this, it might be worthwhile to turn on a dehumidifier inside your boat while it's out of the water, and just leave it on all the time. It will help dry out stuff that you might be missing and get rid of sources of moisture that might cause mold after you splash.
H2Dwoat Ditto
so instead of priming the drill pump from the bottom up like you did, keep the bottom hose in the bilge prime the pump from the top down with the drill in reverse it will push clean water into the bilge then put the drill the proper direction to pump the dirty bilge water out :) it will work then. when you primed it the way you did the hose when dropped looses the prime in the pump.
Great information
Mads, a lot of people here have suggested using the bilge space for some sort of tank, and I would jump on that bandwagon. I don't recall if you've ever talked about installing a rainwater catchment system on your boat, but that's what comes to mind immediately. I would fabricate a tank from plastic or some other material (food safe) and install a pump, with filter, to your regular water storage tank. That way, you wouldn't have to worry too much about contamination, but you'd have to make sure to service the filter at recommended intervals. If you intend to do a lot of offshore cruising and long passages, I think a rainwater catchment system is a must and this space looks ideal. My inclination would be to fabricate the tank in such a way that you can still have a bilge pump at the very bottom, and I would make the tank removable, so you can service that pump. I realize there are two connected spaces here, so maybe it would be even better to use the larger space for the tank and put the bilge pump in the smaller space.
Unfortunately, this video looks like "Never ever buy Warrior". Kudos to You Mads for not giving up and keeping "digging the hole", so to speak. Good luck and we'll be watching your progress. Have a nice trip to your GF
One last "F you" from Athena....now you have exorcized the demons....this boat is now at peace! :)
I feel for you. That was one of the funniest vids I seen for a while!! You were more persistent than I would have been. I'd save one of those sections and fill'er up with Danish Rum! Arrgggg
Putting a tank down there sounds like a very good idea. It would solve numerous problems and also add a lot of (sailing) stability to the boat.
Forget tankage it looks like a massive wine locker. We need more Danish swearing. Great and enjoyable video.
Mmmm, bilge blood! I had to go snorkeling in that mess once on a sport fisher in Mexico. There wasn't enough tequila in Baja to make me forget the stench. Well done, Mads.
Call me old fashioned but the builder made that boat that way for a reason. Yes water got in there and it may happen again. I like to have deep voids like that sealed and filled with foam so if you ever make a hole in the bottom of your boat that bilge sub floor will prevent your boat from sinking... you would never be in a position to repair a hole in that area on your worse day. Compromises and bad decisions is my definition of a boat.
I love your quality videos and commitment to DIY excellence.
Dawn dish washing liquid breaks down grease and oil really good
Here's a tip from the local medical coroner........put some mentholated balm/salve above your upper lip. In no time at all you will not be able to smell ANYTHING. As to next steps I would install a garboard drain fitting just above the bottom and install.an "Arid Dry Bilge pump". I have no affiliation with the company but you will have dusty dry bilges. Paint it and then build removable wine storage or perhaps some liquor casks to make your very own 'Linie" aquavit
Very sad no Mads on Sunday. Hope you are having a great time in Norway!
I'd install some liftable shelves for storage!! The beer's gonna be nice and cool down there 😁😁
Alltid lika underhållande att följa med sina äventyr med Athena!
OMG, that was the most disgusting, but funniest video I think I've ever seen. I love your dry, intelligent sense of humor. And, you are so good natured and calm, under these circumstances. These traits will serve you well some day when you and Eva are hove to in a storm.
Mads, I have never commented before but have on many occasions dealt with truly disgusting bilges on boat restorations that I have worked on. I found after spending all sorts of money on proprietary "Bilge Cleaners" that didn't do the job, my go to choice is... wait for it.... oven cleaner. What we have here in the States "Easy Off Oven Cleaner". Basically a lye based product in a spray can. Seems to do the trick on thick, greasy, oily filth. The downside is the smell, so I recommend spraying and vacating the premises for a while and also to wear gloves and eye protection. Then air out the cabin and scrub the residue and rinse. It does not seem to have any effect on FRP and leaves the area just about ready for paint.
On another note, Bravo to you, your work on the restoration is exemplary. Your patience is commendable and I know the finished product of your labors will be a fine, fair, safe and seaworthy vessel.
Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos and allowing us into your "shed". Tom
Good thing you found that. Now you know why the hull never dried out completely. Keep up the good work.
Well that’s another first. I’d never seen a shovel employed in a boat refit before!
Keep the bilge after you’ve cleaned and painted it. It will be the best place for water that you ship in any kind of seaway. You can use a section to store your anchor chain and put a new powerful bilge pump in the lowest part.
We took on a couple of tonnes of water on our boat after a prop wrap that punched the P bracket up through the hull. With a shallow bilge , that water slopped all over the place and did a lot of damage before we made port and got the boat lifted. What I would have given for a deep bilge on that day.......
The foam and skin looks like it was done by a lazy previous owner who couldn’t be bothered to clean the bilge properly, hence all the bits and bobs that were caught down there and encapsulated in the foam.
You are problaby not the first who find this foam in keel . But a friend of mine cleaned the "new" space and made an extra dieseltank down there. I think he get room for about 160 Liter extra Diesel in his boat now. And yeah the smell from that wet foam is no parfum......Hope you have some nice days around in Norway and Sweden.
Dude. It's a shopvac. Use it! Rag on a stick? You mean a mop? Mads you're killing me. But it is voyeuristically pleasing to watch you have so much fun.
Glorious glorious bilge scrubbing.
I'd just put a bilge pump at the bottom and build stainless storage racks that sit on the keel weight. Tanks would make it difficult to get to the bottom to clean again. But you could keep beer, water bottles, or any other sealed containers in there. It'd be a good place for sealed engine oil too.
If one had a desire to evade customs...
Of all the things on this channel that i hope to never have to do with a boat I'm dead certain this ranks #1. Thanks for sharing your adventures!
Jonesing for the next installment!
Never felt bad for a fishing net before. Love this channel.
Amazing amount of crud in the bilge, That would be a great location for 2 fiberglass water tanks. I imagine it would add at least another 200KG of ballast and a good amount of fresh H2O.
I also imagine the forward head could use a tank in the forward part of that bilge?
Great work though Mads. Cheers Ricky & Rocko
I'd vote for using it as a deep bilge (as someone else said, bilge pumps on a stick) AND some custom made, removable, stainless wire baskets for extra storage. Just make sure whatever gets stored in there can get wet, like bottles or aluminum cans which may or may not contain wine and beer.
Hi Mad, been following since your last boat. Never left any comments though, just enjoying tons of joy. Thanks!
On the deep bilge space, you might want to consider a fresh water tank for ballast and drinking purposes. It will help with your sailing in future.
Regarding the cleaning of that space, did you try using vinegar and baking soda and maybe a little spice of lemon for the smell. Leave it for a few hours and let the solution do the work for you. Works very well for your heads too.
Cheers and good sanding always!
Hi Mads, It is really deep, after cleaning it some more and given the location a diesel tank storage to increase cruising range does sound like a reasonable option. But you have to install automatic bulge pump to keep it viable. A slide in slide out system perhaps. If you have already considered how to accomplish that than get some tanks made up and use it for reserve tank space. If not then it's for your favorite beer.
Looks to me like you found so beautiful wine storage!
Mads, already mentioned, but consider adding a garboard drain (through hull fitting) at the bottom of the bilge to the outside. You’d obviously seal it when in the water, but remove and add a small 90 degree elbow point down to drain when on the hard. This ensures the bilge stays dry all winter, and collecting water doesn’t freeze. You’d always have 1-2 cm of water there depending on the width of your through hull flanges, but that can be siphoned off by a good bilge pump. For those non boaters reading, all boats leak from the top sides at some point and water falls to the lowest parts of the boat, namely the bilge. Use the space for removable baskets that lift out, as suggested by others.
That knife/crowbar thingy at 3:16 is called ''Kupkniv'' in swedish. It's used in beekeeping to bend the wax frames and the bee-boxes apart as the bees like to glue it all together with ''kittvax''(swedish)and also to seal the beehive from draft and moist. So my question to you Mads is, have you picked up a new hobby???
Funniest video yet! Ye ole rag and stick never fails! Gotta say you have a great personality for doing these type of videos, and your smart as well! Good job!
Yes hilarious ......Mads was funny as hell...OMG I'm still laughing....his line at exactly 2:25 made me laugh off my chair. Now we know why they call boats She...and not he's.
Mads just had to go and reinvent the mop and bucket...
Wouldn't have a boat without a garboard drain!
HI there Mads, thanks for your vids! I believe I would have to go multi-use for the area. Fuel tankage above as low of profile bilge pump as I could find with enough head pressure for the depth. If its custom tankage you can add storage or hideaway space on the top of the tank. By sacrificing a little volume. Offshore more fuel and semi-hidden storage is always good. Hope only the best for you and your lady.
Since that is the part of the boat with the least motion and most stable temperature, that is obviously where you should put the wine cellar. :)
!!LOL!! You're one of my favorite 'weird adults' on RUclips Mads :) Hope you and Ava have a good time touristing around Denmark. Cheers from PEI Canada, Bryan.
Binge watched all videos on Athena refit up to this point during the week. Now back to regular programming of one video a week. Keep up the amazing work. :)
Awesome video, as always. How you manage to keep a smile on your face while tackling such a gag-worthy project, is beyond me! Hope you are having fun with AVA. Can't wait to see next weeks vlog.... If you have time.
You can leave a hole at the deepest place, and put a bilge pump there, then you will get most of the water that gets down in the bilge. Your videos are the best !
Showing the boat life as it really is!
This is by far the funniest video I have seen from you! the danish swearing is just perfect!
On my own project boat, with a similar situation, I designed a wine cellar. Here In Québec, the Gulf Saint-Lawrence's waters are cold enough to keep the bottles at the perfect temperature: 14-15 Celsius. Cheers!
Use the technology of a 3D printer to make a “bowl” so the bilge pump can sit below the water and pump every drop out. You can use the space above the pump for canned storage. Incorporate shelves in the 3D print mold. Then glass it in.
Perfect spot for a Wine Cellar. :-) But more foam is probably better as it's awkward to get to, and that would be a lot of space for water where you don't want it.
Note to self: Before buying my boat, make friends with a large animal vet, and see if they can get me a discount on full arm length gloves...
Also, I think I'll be investing in a remote feed respirator as well. Had been thinking of one of those belt/backpack filter units for a forced air face mask, but full remote feed sounds like a great idea after watching that video.
Mads, have you thought about flexible water tanks/bags? Plastimo do them in lots of different sizes and I had them on my last boat with great success. They would easily fit in there and are not expensive. With a lick of bilge paint those bilges will come up a treat! Great vids by the way!!
Thank you for sharing a previously recorded video. We needed our weekly fix of Sail Life while you and Ava see the countryside. Hope you are shooting video of your adventure while y'all travel. You know there are several people that will not survive a week without your videos, hope they have someone in their life that can pull up re-runs and play them to try to hold them out until you get back. I actually went back the other day and watched the boat tour you posted of Athena when you bought her. You have done so much work I had to see what she looked like in the beginning. Looking forward to seeing Ava with you in a couple of weeks, hope y'all are having a great time.
I love this channel. It must b the channel with least hating and swearing in the comments in all the net
Oh my you are always so positive even through that... my heart sank for you as you made this discovery.
Absolute respect for your patience
I would never have thought to include a shovel in a standard marine toolkit.
Your cheery nature and smile amazes me, I'd have been loosing the plot (months ago!)
I have a very shallow bilge. I hear that people who cruise warm waters like the Carribean, use their bilge for storing beer, wine or canned goods. It apparently is the coolest place in the boat except the refrigerator.
It’s funny how some 10min videos seem to last for a lifetime. Yours is so fast bilge and spiffy I get to glorious launching!
This channel is such a testament to the power of persistence. I've seen your videos since the beginning and you've made such insane improvements to production quality, skills used, and positioning (knowing your audience). This channel is awesome. I look forward to these videos like Game of Thrones haha.
If you plan to do some blue water sailing (I'll believe it when I see it 😉) 2 steps forward 6 steps back.
You better keep that for storage next to keeping the boat floating storage is a close second for long time crusing ....choose carefully grasshopper choose carefully .
Cheers and enjoy your vacation.
I usually eat dinner while watching these but will hold off until after dessert
Rule do a good 12 v submersible/inline pump, just uses standard size garden hose and is ideal for bilge cleaning. Safe with diesel oil and degreasers
Its like the trash compactor on the Death Star!
Mads, its nearly the same deep bilge I found in my old Vindö 32. To clean it, sorry to say, you used rubbish. Professional cleansers would make the job in 1 hour. The best way in this narrow, deep area is:
Clean the bilge rough by sucking out the water with a vacuum
Take the oil fat degreasing agent and fill it into the the bilge
Wait for at least one or two hours the cleanser can work
Take a scrubber and scrub as good as you can
Wait for another one or two ours
Scrub again until you see the white ground of the bilge (you see its not a big amount of cleanser so you can see the ground while wiping.)
if the ground becomes bright take a vacuum and suck the bilge water out.
If not satisfied with the result do it again.
I used Trastosat, it a alkalic cleanser with solvents and ammonia and it worked very quick and well.
By the way, I hope you did this work before all renovation of the deck and cockpit. I think it's most important to get all technical thing in order first. The other things are cosmetic and can be done all the times.
I think it would be a great spot for a fresh water emergency tank.
Great episode! After cleaning, I would paint the bilge, replace the pump, and leave it alone. On balance, easy access and ability to inspect the bilge quickly and thoroughly probably outweighs any additional storage space. Good luck!
The foam was obviously used as a filler and a method to reinforce the area. I suggest that you fabricate some stringers and glass them in place. Leave the space open and install a bilge pump to allow draining the area. I can’t recall if your moisture reading were high in this area but expect that this is going to make a huge improvement.
Rothena! We all want it to go on! Use the bilge as wine cooler!
why not drill a hole on the side of the hull having the water drain outside into a container, you are very good at fixing hole!
Build a false lid for that and turn it into a smugglers hold! But seriously, but a bilge pump in the bottom and use it for storage. Keep an eye on it the first time Athena is back in the water to make sure it doesn't leak.
Heavy gear that you seldom use that you don't mind getting wet would probably make its way into my deep bilge. Spare anchor (that huge flatpack mantus maybe), extra anchor chain and rode, batteries, maybe a scuba cylinder or 2, other random stuff in PVC dry bags rather than baskets. I am keen to hear where your thinking takes you on this one. Hope you two enjoy your Scandinavian road trip. Always looking forward to your vids which arrive as a Monday bonus for us in the south Pacific.
Your hull should get better moisture readings now. Get yourself a sacrificial shop vacuum for the dirty jobs. Tankage is a great idea as it will become ballast, looks like enough room for a water maker too.
That stenchy bilge cleaning is probably the only thing in existence that's more fun than sanding.