The Pakistan Air Force is stronger than ever. Since the last Indo-Pak air war of 1971, the Pakistan Air Force has with steely determination built up numbers, lethal capabilities and a combat force now counted as one of the most disciplined and well-trained air forces in the world.
Hello guys: Currently PAF is not looking for buy J-11's Though its option is on the Table but According to the Document of AFMP 2015 we are only buying FC-20 2 squadrons F/16 C/D block 50/52 And PAF is waiting for MMRCA results from India and then to buy another Aircraft maybe ; JAS 39 gripen /Dassault Rafale/or EF2000 Typhoon. Regards:
Don,t Panic, we use engines and avionics as per our spacifications and also try to develop and improve these ourself. we take chnese ait frame with mix of western technology, we don,t afford to purchase to buy euro fighter with lower capability then JF-17 and high cost, Keep your suggestion with yourself and give your suggestion to your own air force. from our point of view most important thing is transfer of technology and skills in man power so that we develop our own air craft in near future
Can't understand all the silly comments made on this thread. The Chinese did not copy the Russian SU-27 illegally or otherwise. They manufactured them under licence from the Russians, with most of the engines imported from Russia.
we are not currently seeking J-11b but 150 J-10b's as it meets all of our requirements. More vipers will come , Turkey is upgrading our F-16's along with new vipers Thunders and Fc-20's with awacs can knock down any aggressor. Think Pakistan
Headlines Today has accessed the recent presentation made to the Ministry of Defence. The document makes singularly ominous projections. The most glaring warning is about combat force ratio. The presentation says that the ratio of 1:1.7 is likely to progressively dip to 1:1.2 by the end of 2012. It describes this as a "historic low". It also says that the traditional hi-tech advantage is almost equal now with 9.5:11 squadron ratio.
The one thing that won't change -- high-value targets in J&K will be high-priority targets for the PAF. There's a deeper threat at play than just fighter numbers. Consider these newly inducted force multiplers that all but kill the Indian air advantage. Pakistan is inducting four Swedish Saab Erieye and four Chinese Y-8 airborne early warning aircraft, while India, currently, has three.
@ Izoozo & KaraKhitan The FC-20 is not made of Russian components entirely, Izoozo. Yes, the Chinese J-10's have the Saturn AL-31 engine installed, but export models will have the Chinese built WS-10A turbofan on it, thereby making it entirely of Chinese origin. And KaraKhitan...yes, you are correct.
Hopefully we will mate we already order J-10 B's best better than J-11 and pak navy indicated sleath frigates fast attack boat's their size like frigate PAF indicated F-16 block 52 + in 2010 we are getting more powerful than ever most important think We are neclear power and over neclear bombs increasing day by day well thanks for apprection's & greeting's from pakistani brother =) .!
A formidable adversary The last time the air forces of India and Pakistan fought a full-blown war was forty years ago. But if the Pakistan Air Force of 1971 was an enemy to be reckoned with, circumstances have made it an even more formidable adversary today. The internal assessment by the Indian defence establishment makes some grimly practical projections in the light of an adversary emboldened by an unfettered modernisation spree.
Despite the ominous projections of the presentation, there are those who believe the Indian Air Force will always remain on top. Among them, Air Marshal Denzil Keelor, one half of the legendary Keelor brothers, who scored independent India's first air-to-air kill against Pakistan in 1965. But for the IAF to remain ahead, and stem the swiftly dwindling capability advantage over Pakistan, it needs to make some hard decisions across the board.
I fully agree my Aussie friend...but it's getting complicated. Do we set up a country to fail by not providing the military support they need if we just cut them off? It seems if these extremists could practice a little "live and let live" than everyone would be happy, but they seem to think their views are the only ones that matter despite the fact that they don't represent the majority.
ya that the case. that's why the WS-10 has low power and was never used. the current WS-10A is heavily modified from WS-10, so you could say that they learnt how to make an engine by making a modified CFM56, but learnt to make it better by improving WS-10
PAF Airforce: "As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that the PAF Combat Commanders' School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world". As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1991, "it leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far behind".
What's with all that structure between the top of the canopy and the tub of the cockpit? I wonder if the Chinese did not quite get the copy right from the Su-30 MKI to their new Fu-27?
A determined plugging of air defence gaps with radars and missiles has starkly reduced the Indian Air Force's freedom of action in the event of war. There are several reasons why the situation has been allowed to get so grim for the Indian Air Force. Delays in the Tejas have forced the Air Force to grapple with stop-gap arrangements that don't quite cut it.
Finally, with an ageing Soviet fleet of aircraft (MIGs) that are troublesome and facing retirement, the Air Force looks at an even greater dip in the numbers advantage. The message to the Defence Ministry and the government is simple. Cut your losses and plan hard for the future. If you don't, the Indian Air Force will lose the one thing you've always counted on: its combat edge.
Headlines Today has a disturbing proof that all this has made India worried. A recent presentation by the defence intelligence establishment paints a morbid picture of how the numbers and capability advantage that the Indian Air Force has always found comfort in is rapidly slipping away.
Pakistani Air Force is getting 40 of these FC-20 Vanguard by 2015. The PAF will also get 25 JF-17 this year, by 2015 total 150, and by 2020 the total acquire 275. The PAF will probably upgraded all 84 F-16A/B/C/D to block 52. The PAF should buy J-11BS (two seat) from China. I also heard Pakistan will get their own 5th Gen. is called JF-17X.
Please don not confuse Su-35BM with old Su35 from 1990s. I know the difference between these two. Fifteen Su-27Ms (prototype Su-35s) were built, along with three Su-35BMs (one crashed 2009-04-24). Later production J-11Bs could attain technological parity with Su-35BM with installation of Chinese Type 1474 series AESA radars, IRST, PL-10, PL-12, etc. You're right, the Su-35BM (now Su-35S) will be a top-rate Gen 4.5 fighter. AFAIK, the J-11B cannot be exported outside China, IIRC.
Actually they're copies of the AL-31F engines w/o the TVC nozzles because as far as everyone else is concerned Full 3D-TVC is a no go for most, way too complex, even the americans found it difficult on the F-18 TVC Prototype (it worked ok but...it only went 8-10 degrees). As for the J-11 i believe only a handfull have The TVC engines (i.e.the original SU engines). The Rest of them are basically Big SU-27s using standard controls, closer to the F-15A in manouvering (possible a bit less agile).
With Pakistan rapidly acquiring early warning aircraft, mid-air refuellers and long-range missiles, the technology gap is at a historic low. It is a wake-up call to India's military planners. The decisions taken now could forever doom the crucial advantage that the Indian Air Force has always enjoyed against an adversary that can never be underestimated.
We, and I mean the US, don't need to worry about the People's Republic of China declaring war on the US. The worry is rooted in the fear and concern of China's neighbors: Japan South Korea Philippines Vietnam Republic of China (Taiwan) and possibly Mongolia. Anger from the Central Asian nations about how the PRC is treating the Uyghur population is adding some tension. The PRC aggressive actions toward them is drawing the US in because some of those nations are the US's best allies in the area.
Tipubhai, Wait til we get the remaining SU-30MKI (100+ in service) by 2014 to make the number 280, and then 200 MRCA by 2017, most likely F-18 and then we will see. Even today, you can see how Pak Fizaya Fizzles, and Indian Air Force Sizzles. Certainly FC-20 and JF-17 are better then Copycat F7P, Q5 and Mirage III & IV from 1960s vintage. Cheers!
These are just SU-27s licensed by Russia for production under the Chinese nameplate J-11. @sunray880 The J-20 seems to have copied the blue prints of the F-22. It was a result of Chinese cyberespoinage (of which we are all aware of). The development of the J-20 is plagued with problems and may never go beyond the prototype phase to become anywhere close to the F-22.
Bharat, Hindustan, India. Even the name Hindu, Hind, Hindustan, India, Indies, etc was from a river that is mostly in your land(Indus river).Persians and Arabs named Hindustan everything east of the Indus river.Hindu everyone on near and east of the Indus river.
@sadhaklal I jsut realized something as well, the neck of the plane looks like from the Mig-29 .. Also, they are using the helmet mounted targeting of the Mig-29 !!!
yes our own UCAV is on the way. 1971 we again scored more kills than IAF. we are the only air force which has shot down , Indian , Soviet , Afghan , Israeli fighters . by the way that was Anza not stinger.. Cheerz
@JZSNtelpy The problems that the J-20 are dealing with are believed to be much more challenging than that of the F-22. The military knew the F-22 had a role to fulfill, but after the fall of the Soviet Union, the F-22's pace of development dropped. In any case, what I'm saying is the Chinese are finally in the prototype phase, something where the F-22 was at almost two whole decades ago. That is, if you can even assume that J-20 is equal to the prototype YF-22 and YF-23 the US had back then.
Amaan Naveed Ab aanewale salo me mulli Chinese bachhe peda karegi.. Chinese mulli oko thokenge aue mulle bahar khare khre filding karenge.... Haaaaaaaaa
Tipubhai, It is possible that the Gnat had an engine trouble and was forced to land. But Saber Slayers they were.... We too have many war trophies of F-86 and F-104s as well as Pattons....
Delayed decisions Rapid inductions of new generation fighters give the Pakistan Air Force significantly enhanced fighting potential. The air superiority fighter advantage that the IAF once enjoyed is progressively disappearing.
@pogularocky Lots of low downs. The JF-17 was co-developed by both Pakistan and China. The purpose to further improve JF17 is to make the most of maintainance facility and parts for Mig-21/J-7. It's costly to abandon all existing infrastructure for widely used Mig-21 in Pakistan, and it may lead to vacuum of defense while replacing a large number of existing fleets.
Pakistan special force record speaks for itself!!! Need I say more? When going in direct conflict with the likes of the Soviets Spetnaz and worked with the likes of the Navy Seals, SAS and DGS. Experts have already regarded Pakistan SSG top tier force its just a matter of searching it up.
Relax I was just mentioning the recent development of Pakistan's procurement of at least 36 J-10's... About 2020 I think China will have completed the J-XX project by 2018 so by then there maybe an opportunity to acquire those jets from China.. It is essential Pakistan maintain a military balance and strength in the region... Considering what appears to be a new arms race in Asia...
The government has been warned that with the Indian Air Force's edge slipping fast, the Pakistan Air Force's assertiveness is likely to increase. Once seen as a primarily defensive force, the Pakistan Air Force will use its new strength to employ offensive and defensive operations in equal measure. With new precision weapons, the Pakistan Air Force will conduct limited strikes to achieve strategic effects.
*sigh* Thats why we Pakistan I mean have won many international competitions based on actual fighting, just taking the example of Pakistan our airforce is regarded to be one of the most well trained in the world, we are able to use our small navy to the best ability, our army has already proved its metal in many international competition, our special forces by many experts are ranked the 3rd best in the world, ISI the best in the world and so on. Do not underestimate your foe. :)
The fight is against Islam nothing to do with any country or origin. REMEMBER U PLAN ALLAH'S PLAN ALLAH'S PLAN NEVER FAILS. study Islam and u will understand everything after all education is a key to success... I have seen many Hindu English Chinese Japanese and many other origin converted in to Islam. oh Allah bless and guide all the people of this world and reveal the truth.
a very wise statement . west has created conflicts like these to keep third world nations divided among themselves and not progress on path of peace and prosperity.
Difference is China has their own strategies and it is working. They are still one of the power houses and is the 2nd largest economy in the world for reasons. They don't want to over spend on uneccessary things. These planes are cheaper to make and does their job.
The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you
@GameMaster2565 china shot down f-22s .... which parallel dimension was tht in ? and j-20 is not Ready to be used YET. it has maJOR stuff pending. and sadly, US still has the Superiority ...
India no longer has the mid-air refueller advantage. Pakistan is inducting four identical IL-78M aircraft. The Indian Air Force's UAV advantage is also disappearing. Pakistan is acquiring 25 European UAVs, with more in the pipeline.
I'm glad to here it, but it's not baseless. Here in Canada, muslim NEVER step forward to denounce terrorist attacks, instead after something radical happens (like when we caught a bunch of Canadian born muslims that were planning to assassinate our Prime Minister among other things) the muslim community was largely silent except to come out complain that people were become 'Islamophobic'. Also, bin laden was found living in Pakistan. Anyway, if what you say is true, then keep up the good work.
The J-11 are high maintenence too high to be worth it if PAF really wanted them they could get them tho. they had an option for Ukrainian Su27 a while back but decided against that. Also the J10's uses the the SU-27 engine still. Pak Air Force, Will get JF-17s in large numbers and a mix of F16 and FC20 (J-10) will be all they need for quite some time
Pakistan, Russia and China are well trained on par with any western country though they may be under equipped and underpaid compared to western forces in all three disciplines.
you also have to remember the time when your leader run to UN to stop Pakistan Army!!!! And Also have to remember MM ALAM... then there is only one MM ALAM. No there are thousands of MM ALAM...
Tibubhai, Also, if it was Anza then you have it in large numbers and would have shot down many more IAF jets which were making some 40 sorties a day in Kargil. The stingers are in short supply now and at the end of their shelf life... If you still insist it was Anza then it means they were very ineffective one Mig-21 which was coasting at a slow speed to look for engine flamed out Mig-27 and a Mi-17 helicopter over two months is a pathetic sorties to kill ratio.
@featherlight123 Though J11 was developed based on Su 27, it has already beyond the basis. China nearly replace everything of the old Su 27 with her advanced equipments and weapons except the shape. Briefly, the power may double or even more~
@good2goski The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you
First of all, that's my point. If bin laden was hiding in pakistan, it means that some officials very high up are actually radical muslims. As for the muslim community being quiet when radical muslims are causing trouble - yes, that is a problem. A community should step forward and condemn the acts of a few radicals in their midst when something bad happens, it's the way it is. When a community stays quiet or tries to make excuses, it smacks of complacency. Anyway, you seem like a good person.
The Russian engine is made in Russia. the AL-31F is made in Russia. So yeah, the Chinese still relies on original Su-27 Engines. So all they did is Changed electronics.
I never poo pood the F15s records, in fact i know its got the best overall record, but its NOT perfect as much as you think, saying an f15 got waxed is to this day going to hurt its rep. There are a few Airframes with PERFECT engagement ratios, but just not 90 some actual battles, the difference is I have seen the F15 eye to eye and daily for weeks on end and studied the living shit out of it. Have you?
-Sergey Vekhov May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable UK-based air defence magazine. One of the many quotes used to describe how well trained our airforce is though we may not stack up as well against the west on the technology front, Russia has the best planes which also China possess and Pakistan has one of the best US fighter aircrafts the F-16 Block 52. Numbers dont stack up in our favour but thats because NATO compromises of 50 off countries.
@Pashtunlad 33% of the worlds GDP was under the Mauryan empire. Mughals 24.5%(which is still huge). Mughal empire is our heritage, but I am tell you what educated economist says. Mauryan soldiers never went to war with Afghanistan. Infact in that era Afghans converted to Buddhism. Hindu Kush was a name made by the Arabs when they invaded that area
@Pashtunlad Mauryans never said such a thing, and they never invaded Afghanistan. They got Afghanistan and parts of Iran and central asia by defeating the Seleucids(successor of the Alexander the great). This empire held 33% of the world GDP and had probably the largest army of the time.
The title to this video is inaccurate. China is providing Pakistan with FC-17 Thunders, not J-11 (Su-30's). The J-11 has many Russian components in it which have to be authorized by Russia to go to Pakistan, which will not happen because Russia traditionally stands behind India.
you dont have to tell me what cost how much. our airforce has more air to air kills then every other airforce in the region India /china etc. we never had the most latest technology , our small economy does'nt allow it but we have the skills and we trust them. sweet dreams
Well we've been their when China was nothing and now China is their for Pakistan in its time of despair, 62 year relationship and it will continue so forth.
Pakistan need to buy J-11BS (Two Seated) Sino Flanker in order to match IAF Su-30MKI Flanker H. The J-11BS could carry Air to Air missiles like R-74M Archer, R-77M1 Adder, PL-13 Sino Meteor, PL-12 Sino AMRAAM, PL-10, PL-9, PL-8, PL-7, PL-5. The J-11BS could also carry guided bombs like LT-2, LT-3, FT-2 Satellite Aided Inertially Guided Bomb aka Sino JDAM, FT-3 Sino JDAM, FT-4 guided glide bomb aka Sino JDAM ER, FT-5 Sino JDAM, LS-6, Rocket pods, C-701, C-704, C-802, C-801, CJ-10, & YJ-12.
iam a pakistani. 1234rajan is right, J11 is russian , it is a version of Sukhoi . China cannot sell it to pak. it needs russian clearence. and most probably russia can only sell it to PAk. J11 does not meet pak airfoce needs as Pakistan AF policy does not believe in twin engine aircrafts.
@pogularocky J-10(1 turbine) is one generation advanced than JF-17, and J-11(2 turbines) are also sent to Pakistan too as it's used for long distance defense
We consider China as our 2nd home.
Pak China friendship is high than the Himalayas.
long live Pak-China
The Pakistan Air Force is stronger than ever. Since the last Indo-Pak air war of 1971, the Pakistan Air Force has with steely determination built up numbers, lethal capabilities and a combat force now counted as one of the most disciplined and well-trained air forces in the world.
Hello guys:
Currently PAF is not looking for buy J-11's
Though its option is on the Table but According to the Document of AFMP 2015 we are only buying FC-20 2 squadrons
F/16 C/D block 50/52
And PAF is waiting for MMRCA results from India and then to buy another Aircraft
maybe ; JAS 39 gripen /Dassault Rafale/or EF2000 Typhoon.
Regards:
Don,t Panic, we use engines and avionics as per our spacifications and also try to develop and improve these ourself. we take chnese ait frame with mix of western technology, we don,t afford to purchase to buy euro fighter with lower capability then JF-17 and high cost, Keep your suggestion with yourself and give your suggestion to your own air force. from our point of view most important thing is transfer of technology and skills in man power so that we develop our own air craft in near future
Can't understand all the silly comments made on this thread. The Chinese did not copy the Russian SU-27 illegally or otherwise. They manufactured them under licence from the Russians, with most of the engines imported from Russia.
we are not currently seeking J-11b but 150 J-10b's as it meets all of our requirements.
More vipers will come , Turkey is upgrading our F-16's along with new vipers Thunders and Fc-20's with awacs can knock down any aggressor.
Think Pakistan
Pakistan and China have signed an agreement for Pakistan to procure at least 36 J-10's. Plan's are being made for a larger procurement for J-10's...
Headlines Today has accessed the recent presentation made to the Ministry of Defence. The document makes singularly ominous projections. The most glaring warning is about combat force ratio.
The presentation says that the ratio of 1:1.7 is likely to progressively dip to 1:1.2 by the end of 2012. It describes this as a "historic low". It also says that the traditional hi-tech advantage is almost equal now with 9.5:11 squadron ratio.
The one thing that won't change -- high-value targets in J&K will be high-priority targets for the PAF.
There's a deeper threat at play than just fighter numbers. Consider these newly inducted force multiplers that all but kill the Indian air advantage. Pakistan is inducting four Swedish Saab Erieye and four Chinese Y-8 airborne early warning aircraft, while India, currently, has three.
Congrats:
FC 20 deal has been finalised .
36 jets comming and 36 more on table.
@ Izoozo & KaraKhitan
The FC-20 is not made of Russian components entirely, Izoozo. Yes, the Chinese J-10's have the Saturn AL-31 engine installed, but export models will have the Chinese built WS-10A turbofan on it, thereby making it entirely of Chinese origin.
And KaraKhitan...yes, you are correct.
Hopefully we will mate we already order J-10 B's best better than J-11 and pak navy indicated sleath frigates fast attack boat's their size like frigate PAF indicated F-16 block 52 + in 2010 we are getting more powerful than ever most important think We are neclear power and over neclear bombs increasing day by day well thanks for apprection's & greeting's from pakistani brother =) .!
A formidable adversary
The last time the air forces of India and Pakistan fought a full-blown war was forty years ago.
But if the Pakistan Air Force of 1971 was an enemy to be reckoned with, circumstances have made it an even more formidable adversary today.
The internal assessment by the Indian defence establishment makes some grimly practical projections in the light of an adversary emboldened by an unfettered modernisation spree.
Despite the ominous projections of the presentation, there are those who believe the Indian Air Force will always remain on top. Among them, Air Marshal Denzil Keelor, one half of the legendary Keelor brothers, who scored independent India's first air-to-air kill against Pakistan in 1965.
But for the IAF to remain ahead, and stem the swiftly dwindling capability advantage over Pakistan, it needs to make some hard decisions across the board.
I fully agree my Aussie friend...but it's getting complicated. Do we set up a country to fail by not providing the military support they need if we just cut them off? It seems if these extremists could practice a little "live and let live" than everyone would be happy, but they seem to think their views are the only ones that matter despite the fact that they don't represent the majority.
Yes man, that we know very well. People of tibet are living testimony of it....and so good you people are that, you don't allow journalists even!!!!
ya that the case. that's why the WS-10 has low power and was never used. the current WS-10A is heavily modified from WS-10, so you could say that they learnt how to make an engine by making a modified CFM56, but learnt to make it better by improving WS-10
PAF Airforce:
"As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air
Force ranks today as one of the best air forces in the world and that
the PAF Combat Commanders' School (CCS) in Sargodha has been ranked
as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the
world". As one senior US defence analyst commented to me in 1991, "it
leaves Topgun (the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, California) far
behind".
What's with all that structure between the top of the canopy and the tub of the cockpit? I wonder if the Chinese did not quite get the copy right from the Su-30 MKI to their new Fu-27?
A determined plugging of air defence gaps with radars and missiles has starkly reduced the Indian Air Force's freedom of action in the event of war.
There are several reasons why the situation has been allowed to get so grim for the Indian Air Force.
Delays in the Tejas have forced the Air Force to grapple with stop-gap arrangements that don't quite cut it.
Sorry, I cannot seem to find the QVF7A video, but I can guess that it is about the F7 "Skyguard" fighter,yes?
Finally, with an ageing Soviet fleet of aircraft (MIGs) that are troublesome and facing retirement, the Air Force looks at an even greater dip in the numbers advantage.
The message to the Defence Ministry and the government is simple. Cut your losses and plan hard for the future. If you don't, the Indian Air Force will lose the one thing you've always counted on: its combat edge.
Pakistan would survive with or without any foreign help! Alhamdulillah!
Headlines Today has a disturbing proof that all this has made India worried. A recent presentation by the defence intelligence establishment paints a morbid picture of how the numbers and capability advantage that the Indian Air Force has always found comfort in is rapidly slipping away.
3000 black jets of Allah before it was cool
Pakistani Air Force is getting 40 of these FC-20 Vanguard by 2015. The PAF will also get 25 JF-17 this year, by 2015 total 150, and by 2020 the total acquire 275. The PAF will probably upgraded all 84 F-16A/B/C/D to block 52. The PAF should buy J-11BS (two seat) from China. I also heard Pakistan will get their own 5th Gen. is called JF-17X.
Please don not confuse Su-35BM with old Su35 from 1990s.
I know the difference between these two.
Fifteen Su-27Ms (prototype Su-35s) were built, along with three Su-35BMs (one crashed 2009-04-24).
Later production J-11Bs could attain technological parity with Su-35BM with installation of Chinese Type 1474 series AESA radars, IRST, PL-10, PL-12, etc.
You're right, the Su-35BM (now Su-35S) will be a top-rate Gen 4.5 fighter.
AFAIK, the J-11B cannot be exported outside China, IIRC.
Actually they're copies of the AL-31F engines w/o the TVC nozzles because as far as everyone else is concerned Full 3D-TVC is a no go for most, way too complex, even the americans found it difficult on the F-18 TVC Prototype (it worked ok but...it only went 8-10 degrees). As for the J-11 i believe only a handfull have The TVC engines (i.e.the original SU engines). The Rest of them are basically Big SU-27s using standard controls, closer to the F-15A in manouvering (possible a bit less agile).
With Pakistan rapidly acquiring early warning aircraft, mid-air refuellers and long-range missiles, the technology gap is at a historic low.
It is a wake-up call to India's military planners. The decisions taken now could forever doom the crucial advantage that the Indian Air Force has always enjoyed against an adversary that can never be underestimated.
were do you get your records from? I got mine through the military when doing pilot training, were do ours come from? Books? Internet.
we are lucky that we have a friend like china....
long live pakistan's and china,s friendship.....
We, and I mean the US, don't need to worry about the People's Republic of China declaring war on the US. The worry is rooted in the fear and concern of China's neighbors: Japan South Korea Philippines Vietnam Republic of China (Taiwan) and possibly Mongolia. Anger from the Central Asian nations about how the PRC is treating the Uyghur population is adding some tension. The PRC aggressive actions toward them is drawing the US in because some of those nations are the US's best allies in the area.
Tipubhai,
Wait til we get the remaining SU-30MKI (100+ in service) by 2014 to make the number 280, and then 200 MRCA by 2017, most likely F-18 and then we will see.
Even today, you can see how Pak Fizaya Fizzles, and Indian Air Force Sizzles.
Certainly FC-20 and JF-17 are better then Copycat F7P, Q5 and Mirage III & IV from 1960s vintage.
Cheers!
These are just SU-27s licensed by Russia for production under the Chinese nameplate J-11.
@sunray880
The J-20 seems to have copied the blue prints of the F-22. It was a result of Chinese cyberespoinage (of which we are all aware of). The development of the J-20 is plagued with problems and may never go beyond the prototype phase to become anywhere close to the F-22.
Actually eight F-22P frigates, Pakistan ordered four more after they received the first one.
Bharat, Hindustan, India. Even the name Hindu, Hind, Hindustan, India, Indies, etc was from a river that is mostly in your land(Indus river).Persians and Arabs named Hindustan everything east of the Indus river.Hindu everyone on near and east of the Indus river.
@sadhaklal I jsut realized something as well, the neck of the plane looks like from the Mig-29 .. Also, they are using the helmet mounted targeting of the Mig-29 !!!
yes our own UCAV is on the way.
1971 we again scored more kills than IAF.
we are the only air force which has shot down , Indian , Soviet , Afghan , Israeli fighters .
by the way that was Anza not stinger..
Cheerz
@JZSNtelpy
The problems that the J-20 are dealing with are believed to be much more challenging than that of the F-22. The military knew the F-22 had a role to fulfill, but after the fall of the Soviet Union, the F-22's pace of development dropped. In any case, what I'm saying is the Chinese are finally in the prototype phase, something where the F-22 was at almost two whole decades ago. That is, if you can even assume that J-20 is equal to the prototype YF-22 and YF-23 the US had back then.
Love u China from Pakistan
Amaan Naveed
Ab aanewale salo me mulli Chinese bachhe peda karegi.. Chinese mulli oko thokenge aue mulle bahar khare khre filding karenge.... Haaaaaaaaa
Tipubhai,
It is possible that the Gnat had an engine trouble and was forced to land.
But Saber Slayers they were....
We too have many war trophies of F-86 and F-104s as well as Pattons....
Delayed decisions
Rapid inductions of new generation fighters give the Pakistan Air Force significantly enhanced fighting potential.
The air superiority fighter advantage that the IAF once enjoyed is progressively disappearing.
@pogularocky Lots of low downs. The JF-17 was co-developed by both Pakistan and China. The purpose to further improve JF17 is to make the most of maintainance facility and parts for Mig-21/J-7. It's costly to abandon all existing infrastructure for widely used Mig-21 in Pakistan, and it may lead to vacuum of defense while replacing a large number of existing fleets.
It is much better than any version of Su-27. It can do 20 minutes supersonic cruise and many other things not meant for third gen fighters like Su-27.
I'm not American, but I have to know; where did they destroy democracy and freedom? I'm really curious on this one.
Pakistan special force record speaks for itself!!! Need I say more? When going in direct conflict with the likes of the Soviets Spetnaz and worked with the likes of the Navy Seals, SAS and DGS. Experts have already regarded Pakistan SSG top tier force its just a matter of searching it up.
Relax I was just mentioning the recent development of Pakistan's procurement of at least 36 J-10's... About 2020 I think China will have completed the J-XX project by 2018 so by then there maybe an opportunity to acquire those jets from China.. It is essential Pakistan maintain a military balance and strength in the region... Considering what appears to be a new arms race in Asia...
@smithyboi1000 it is.!! check BBC's archives... they reported it in 2007 tht the only 4 blue water navies are russian, french, british and the U.S.
The government has been warned that with the Indian Air Force's edge slipping fast, the Pakistan Air Force's assertiveness is likely to increase.
Once seen as a primarily defensive force, the Pakistan Air Force will use its new strength to employ offensive and defensive operations in equal measure.
With new precision weapons, the Pakistan Air Force will conduct limited strikes to achieve strategic effects.
It sounds like Pakistan is on the right track. Good luck.
they got rid of the f14 beacause it was a maintenance nightmare and once the F18s arrived got owned daily by students in f18s, the real truth.
F15E BUDDY, there goes that argument of yours
*sigh* Thats why we Pakistan I mean have won many international competitions based on actual fighting, just taking the example of Pakistan our airforce is regarded to be one of the most well trained in the world, we are able to use our small navy to the best ability, our army has already proved its metal in many international competition, our special forces by many experts are ranked the 3rd best in the world, ISI the best in the world and so on. Do not underestimate your foe. :)
The fight is against Islam nothing to do with any country or origin.
REMEMBER U PLAN ALLAH'S PLAN ALLAH'S PLAN NEVER FAILS. study Islam and u will understand everything after all education is a key to success... I have seen many Hindu English Chinese Japanese and many other origin converted in to Islam. oh Allah
bless and guide all the people of this world and reveal the truth.
chinese reverse engineer stuff mostly, so it may not replicate the original entirely but it also has capacity to improve on the original design.
Beautiful. No wonder some people are so petrified. Don't worry chaps we may not use them on you if you behave yourselves.
a very wise statement . west has created conflicts like these to keep third world nations divided among themselves and not progress on path of peace and prosperity.
Difference is China has their own strategies and it is working. They are still one of the power houses and is the 2nd largest economy in the world for reasons. They don't want to over spend on uneccessary things. These planes are cheaper to make and does their job.
remember that what ever happen we can die without food but we will never lose from India we can gave every thing for own country.........
The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you
@GameMaster2565 china shot down f-22s .... which parallel dimension was tht in ?
and j-20 is not Ready to be used YET. it has maJOR stuff pending.
and sadly, US still has the Superiority ...
I think Pak is more focusing on JF17 Block 2 and Block 3, because it will have stealth technology
India no longer has the mid-air refueller advantage. Pakistan is inducting four identical IL-78M aircraft.
The Indian Air Force's UAV advantage is also disappearing. Pakistan is acquiring 25 European UAVs, with more in the pipeline.
I'm glad to here it, but it's not baseless. Here in Canada, muslim NEVER step forward to denounce terrorist attacks, instead after something radical happens (like when we caught a bunch of Canadian born muslims that were planning to assassinate our Prime Minister among other things) the muslim community was largely silent except to come out complain that people were become 'Islamophobic'. Also, bin laden was found living in Pakistan. Anyway, if what you say is true, then keep up the good work.
The J-11 are high maintenence too high to be worth it if PAF really wanted them they could get them tho. they had an option for Ukrainian Su27 a while back but decided against that.
Also the J10's uses the the SU-27 engine still.
Pak Air Force, Will get JF-17s in large numbers and a mix of F16 and FC20 (J-10) will be all they need for quite some time
After 12 years Pakistan has finally received j-10!
Pakistan, Russia and China are well trained on par with any western country though they may be under equipped and underpaid compared to western forces in all three disciplines.
you also have to remember the time when your leader run to UN to stop Pakistan Army!!!!
And Also have to remember MM ALAM... then there is only one MM ALAM. No there are thousands of MM ALAM...
Tibubhai,
Also, if it was Anza then you have it in large numbers and would have shot down many more IAF jets which were making some 40 sorties a day in Kargil.
The stingers are in short supply now and at the end of their shelf life...
If you still insist it was Anza then it means they were very ineffective one Mig-21 which was coasting at a slow speed to look for engine flamed out Mig-27 and a Mi-17 helicopter over two months is a pathetic sorties to kill ratio.
Pakistan zanda abad
OK thank I love pak air force m Asif Khalil RAK Uae 00
@featherlight123 Though J11 was developed based on Su 27, it has already beyond the basis. China nearly replace everything of the old Su 27 with her advanced equipments and weapons except the shape. Briefly, the power may double or even more~
@JacobTheIndoAmerican History, Logic, common sense etc must be a rare commodity in bhaRAT..
@good2goski
The Pakistani pilot asked Chinese pilot during training of JF 17. "sir I forgot, how can I bring down this ?!" Chinese pilot answered "Don't worry Indian's will do that for you
@Pashtunlad Could not agree more ... well said
First of all, that's my point. If bin laden was hiding in pakistan, it means that some officials very high up are actually radical muslims. As for the muslim community being quiet when radical muslims are causing trouble - yes, that is a problem. A community should step forward and condemn the acts of a few radicals in their midst when something bad happens, it's the way it is. When a community stays quiet or tries to make excuses, it smacks of complacency. Anyway, you seem like a good person.
The Russian engine is made in Russia. the AL-31F is made in Russia. So yeah, the Chinese still relies on original Su-27 Engines. So all they did is Changed electronics.
I never poo pood the F15s records, in fact i know its got the best overall record, but its NOT perfect as much as you think, saying an f15 got waxed is to this day going to hurt its rep. There are a few Airframes with PERFECT engagement ratios, but just not 90 some actual battles, the difference is I have seen the F15 eye to eye and daily for weeks on end and studied the living shit out of it. Have you?
you could say so. other than using own electronics the engine remains as AL-31FN.
Every pakistani peoples proud to b on China pakistan friend ship..
i love China and I love pakistan and also every pakistani suport North Korea..
-Sergey Vekhov
May 1993 issue (pages 46-47) of Airforces Monthly, a reputable
UK-based air defence magazine.
One of the many quotes used to describe how well trained our airforce is though we may not stack up as well against the west on the technology front, Russia has the best planes which also China possess and Pakistan has one of the best US fighter aircrafts the F-16 Block 52. Numbers dont stack up in our favour but thats because NATO compromises of 50 off countries.
man paf has best fighters piolet and they are having great fleet....so qulity plus talent.....man........fabulastic.
on its ranking. Ah China, Pakistan all weather friend nice to talk to you. :)
yes the gnat which was forced to land ??
hahha
@Pashtunlad 33% of the worlds GDP was under the Mauryan empire. Mughals 24.5%(which is still huge). Mughal empire is our heritage, but I am tell you what educated economist says. Mauryan soldiers never went to war with Afghanistan. Infact in that era Afghans converted to Buddhism. Hindu Kush was a name made by the Arabs when they invaded that area
@Pashtunlad Mauryans never said such a thing, and they never invaded Afghanistan. They got Afghanistan and parts of Iran and central asia by defeating the Seleucids(successor of the Alexander the great). This empire held 33% of the world GDP and had probably the largest army of the time.
Hold on a second but isn't this plane called the Su-27 ???
The title to this video is inaccurate. China is providing Pakistan with FC-17 Thunders, not J-11 (Su-30's). The J-11 has many Russian components in it which have to be authorized by Russia to go to Pakistan, which will not happen because Russia traditionally stands behind India.
very nice vid. Pak-China Friendship forever
you dont have to tell me what cost how much.
our airforce has more air to air kills then every other airforce in the region India /china etc.
we never had the most latest technology , our small economy does'nt allow it but we have the skills and we trust them.
sweet dreams
Well we've been their when China was nothing and now China is their for Pakistan in its time of despair, 62 year relationship and it will continue so forth.
come on even chinese pilots are scared of flying this plane. they say they pray when they take off. they pray that they land properly :D
China forever . Love Chinese people . Pak-China Alliance forever
@GameMaster2565 pakistan's navy goes to other countries too. its a BIG subject.
swear the j-11 looks like an su-35
Pakistan need to buy J-11BS (Two Seated) Sino Flanker in order to match IAF Su-30MKI Flanker H. The J-11BS could carry Air to Air missiles like R-74M Archer, R-77M1 Adder, PL-13 Sino Meteor, PL-12 Sino AMRAAM, PL-10, PL-9, PL-8, PL-7, PL-5. The J-11BS could also carry guided bombs like LT-2, LT-3, FT-2 Satellite Aided Inertially Guided Bomb aka Sino JDAM, FT-3 Sino JDAM, FT-4 guided glide bomb aka Sino JDAM ER, FT-5 Sino JDAM, LS-6, Rocket pods, C-701, C-704, C-802, C-801, CJ-10, & YJ-12.
iam a pakistani. 1234rajan is right, J11 is russian , it is a version of Sukhoi . China cannot sell it to pak. it needs russian clearence. and most probably russia can only sell it to PAk. J11 does not meet pak airfoce needs as Pakistan AF policy does not believe in twin engine aircrafts.
@pogularocky J-10(1 turbine) is one generation advanced than JF-17, and J-11(2 turbines) are also sent to Pakistan too as it's used for long distance defense
I am from Pakistan but hate to say Pakistan is a failed state while India is doing well in every area.