I understand the sellout idea but I come from poor working class and when you come from that background why would you want to stay there. You can keep your integrity and still make money. There's nothing wrong with that.
There is if you're playing in a No Wave punk band. Then you're helping commodify anticapitalism. Might as well put on a bikini and become a fashion model VJ.
I agree.. and I don't give a shit what people do with their finances, if I like the music then I like the music..since when does it matter if so done joins a label or what the hell they do if the music is good then it's good..if it touches you then great.
95% of the audience questions are almost unbearable to listen to (that first girl, Jesus fucking Christ), and not only that, but the interviewer is obviously a major fan of Kim/riot grrrl, and she continually tries to link the two together which-newsflash-aside from her being friends with Kathleen Hanna, Kim had absolutely nothing to do with it. In any case, it seems like interviews done on subjects by fans often miss the mark, and this is a prime example. She's asking questions that satisfy her own curiosities but don't necessarily reveal much of anything, which is especially a problem when the subject being interviewed is someone as aloof and insouciant as Kim Gordon. The entire thing never really goes anywhere.
I read it. And it's not HEAVILY based on their relationship. It's definitely included in the book, but it's more a picture of her upbringing in California and then the evolution of her life in NYC and in Sonic Youth. Perhaps the reviews were heavily focused on that relationship, but definitely not the book. Shows you where the mind of the media wanders, huh?
Mary-Louise Price Foss Thanks Mary-Louise, Yeah , you can't trust reviews/journos .They're often looking for the "angle".I know that just from doing interviews of my little band.I guess I'll buy it & see for my self.
TheZooropaBaby If you guys want a good Kim Gordon interview, check out Marc Maron's interview with her on the WTF podcast. He consistently does the best musicians interviews, he is totally disarming, and he and Kim have a great rapport as they talk. They laugh and bs together like old friends, it's awesome. He also does great interviews with J Mascis, Stephen Malkmus, Nick Cave, Chrissie Hynde, as well as tons of interviews with comedians.
I love Sonic Youth as a band. They made some great records. But the individual people in the band I find very ridiculous including Kim. They act like they are "too cool for school". Everything is just so ironic for them. Thurston says "fascism" in almost every interview. Kim is not a talented musician. She doesn't have a good voice. Thurston wrote almost all of the music along with Lee. She is lucky to have ended up where she did. She is basically an "avant garde" artist.
They just come across in interviews like they are the "cool kids" and you really shouldn't be sitting at their table. But again, I like most of their music. They just don't seem very humble or down to earth.
Dang I don't know...I've seen a lot of interviews with each member - and even here, it seems like she just answers the questions honestly. I don't really get the vibe they think they're better than anyone, just confident people. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't expect them to just constantly humble themselves. I also do feel like Kim contributed to many of their best songs. I think their attitudes changed a lot as they aged. A lot of footage of bands in the 90's, they do come across a little more assertive with their opinions. I think you were expected to be opinionated and voice it.
Kathleen Cervenka was her ghostbitch writer for the book: Kimberly Dash Gordon a revealing look at a prostitute, mother, and art slut. If you read only one book this year in school read the bestselling author Pharma De Louise and her homosexual lover Shortnin Love Gordon . I hope they are on next season.
YAHWN GORDON - really nothing insightful to tell beside: ooh: my band, ooh: my art friends, ooh: i was hanging out with important and now famous people, ooh: i am a the grandmother of old hipster girls (of today), ooh, i need to pay for the collage of my daughter so i wrote a boring memoir ... wake up wake up wake up, it's the 1st of the month
Kimberly what are your thoughts on people who buy your music and the marketing of a was been? I'll take my answer to go please. Keep the change Kimberly. Why break tradition into shards and smoke em. You'll lose weight. Especially when you remove her head.
The name of the book is "Girl in a Band" and there is not much written about the BAND at all. The title is misleading because I thought that the book is about her and the band, but it is just a boring text with self advertising as a person of importance. So disappointing, not one detail about the band that we did not know. Do not spend 35$ on this, not worth it.
Lost girl grows up middle class, basically pleasant looking, marginally talented "artist" becomes marginally successful musician without an outstanding voice or instrumental ability, (insult to all actual bassists- this woman claims she had a problem breaking her bass strings- wtf?), makes mediocre rock music that evolves to 6-aspirin "noise rock", writes confessional, name-dropping memoir of vague self importance to excoriate disinterested husband and claim victory. Oh, and she had a clothing line of ironic t-shirts that were modeled by herself and her famous friends, let's not forget that. Her slender book is, as she says herself- "Kind of a weird journey". Yeah, a woman wronged is always right, that explains everything. Ah, the crimes committed in the name of "Art". Enjoy your worshipped "elder-stateswoman" book tour, followed by a life of monied art making, Ms. Gordon, this should be the finale. You're not a girl anymore. You're not in a band. You're a grandma in a black leather jacket, and you know everybody wants to see that. If I was Thurston I'd move to the desert.
Kafka treasures actual "talent", not the image of talent. Gordon actually admits in the book that she isn't a musician, but an "artist". The difference being that art is judged subjectively and music is judged objectively. One can either compose melodies and chord structures or they can't. Anyone can draw circles, call them "wreaths" and sell them because they were once in a band that was successful for being basically performance art. Gordon states that she hates that term. If one equates hate with fear as the Greek classicists did the naked truth becomes clear on that score. She may be a fine person, certainly she has character, strength and ethics. She is a self admitted accidental musician who came to believe the adoring females that wanted to be like her, or BE her, did so for her musical talent, something that she herself knew was never really there.
When you become older perhaps you will find that one exclamation mark is often more expressive than the omg lack of control suggested by adding 10 !!!!!!!!!!. You are correct, music is a personal thing, and how it's sold and fetishized are personal things too, all reacted to differently. In my opinion Kim Gordon is more feminist fetish icon than musician, as she herself suggests/admits in her book titled GIRL in a band. Just sayin'.
Franz Kafka Perhaps when you gain a better use of the English language you'll forgo using the term "just saying". Kim happens to be a close friend, I'm quite aware of what her contribution were to Sonic Youth, she penned quite a few very good songs and came up with the melodic riffs that made them great
Self proclaimed "close friend" chimes in, mixing plurals (contribution-were) while criticizing use of street vernacular. Meanwhile maybe you too should write a book to bolster your self appointed protector-of-Kim cred, something I'm certain she will personally thank you for.Think of that ego-affirming Kim- attention as your well-deserved close friend reward. Good job, protector! Stay in school, education is so important.
Telluswhachaknow There you go, raising the bar for class in the conversation, as I expected you would. I wonder what your "close friend" Kim Gordon would think of your comment? I'm sure your charming insight in her defense would appeal to her greatly.
I really enjoy any insights that Kim shares!
I don't really enjoy the insights of all the troll jerks on the internet though. haha
+Gatpig assuming you mean 'insights'...
+Patrick Sweeney Correctamundo!!
Read her book years ago...its was a life changing in so many ways...!!!
cool that she mentions Dan Graham. I love his art!
I understand the sellout idea but I come from poor working class and when you come from that background why would you want to stay there. You can keep your integrity and still make money. There's nothing wrong with that.
she certainly didn't come from poor working class
There is if you're playing in a No Wave punk band. Then you're helping commodify anticapitalism. Might as well put on a bikini and become a fashion model VJ.
Sonic Youth isnt no wave.
MonkeyMan
People who use term "selling out" haven't ever experienced poverty.
I agree.. and I don't give a shit what people do with their finances, if I like the music then I like the music..since when does it matter if so done joins a label or what the hell they do if the music is good then it's good..if it touches you then great.
95% of the audience questions are almost unbearable to listen to (that first girl, Jesus fucking Christ), and not only that, but the interviewer is obviously a major fan of Kim/riot grrrl, and she continually tries to link the two together which-newsflash-aside from her being friends with Kathleen Hanna, Kim had absolutely nothing to do with it. In any case, it seems like interviews done on subjects by fans often miss the mark, and this is a prime example. She's asking questions that satisfy her own curiosities but don't necessarily reveal much of anything, which is especially a problem when the subject being interviewed is someone as aloof and insouciant as Kim Gordon. The entire thing never really goes anywhere.
lol, “insouciant.”
What an a**hole.
Happy man...
Every review I've read says the book is heavily based on her relationship with Turston Moore.Not ONE question regarding him.How fucking strange.
I read it. And it's not HEAVILY based on their relationship. It's definitely included in the book, but it's more a picture of her upbringing in California and then the evolution of her life in NYC and in Sonic Youth. Perhaps the reviews were heavily focused on that relationship, but definitely not the book. Shows you where the mind of the media wanders, huh?
Mary-Louise Price Foss Thanks Mary-Louise, Yeah , you can't trust reviews/journos .They're often looking for the "angle".I know that just from doing interviews of my little band.I guess I'll buy it & see for my self.
20 minutes into this anticipated interview and its so dull due to choosing the completely wrong person to interview her.
theloyalone100 and i think all of her interview for this book kind of suffered from that
TheZooropaBaby
If you guys want a good Kim Gordon interview, check out Marc Maron's interview with her on the WTF podcast. He consistently does the best musicians interviews, he is totally disarming, and he and Kim have a great rapport as they talk. They laugh and bs together like old friends, it's awesome.
He also does great interviews with J Mascis, Stephen Malkmus, Nick Cave, Chrissie Hynde, as well as tons of interviews with comedians.
I saw WTF with Chris Cornell and that was fabulous!
Thank you. I'm going to go look this up.
Sonicsnout Thank you as this interview is curing my insomnia.
I love Sonic Youth as a band. They made some great records. But the individual people in the band I find very ridiculous including Kim.
They act like they are "too cool for school". Everything is just so ironic for them. Thurston says "fascism" in almost every interview. Kim is not a talented musician. She doesn't have a good voice. Thurston wrote almost all of the music along with Lee. She is lucky to have ended up where she did. She is basically an "avant garde" artist.
Yeah, just about every rebellious punk rocker turned out to support really authoritarian political garbage. Weird stuff, man.
Plus, Kim's feminazi lyrics and intentionally off-key singing are unbelievably cringe inducing. Great band, though.
They just come across in interviews like they are the "cool kids" and you really shouldn't be sitting at their table. But again, I like most of their music.
They just don't seem very humble or down to earth.
Dang I don't know...I've seen a lot of interviews with each member - and even here, it seems like she just answers the questions honestly. I don't really get the vibe they think they're better than anyone, just confident people. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't expect them to just constantly humble themselves. I also do feel like Kim contributed to many of their best songs. I think their attitudes changed a lot as they aged. A lot of footage of bands in the 90's, they do come across a little more assertive with their opinions. I think you were expected to be opinionated and voice it.
Kathleen Cervenka was her ghostbitch writer for the book: Kimberly Dash Gordon a revealing look at a prostitute, mother, and art slut. If you read only one book this year in school read the bestselling author Pharma De Louise and her homosexual lover Shortnin Love Gordon . I hope they are on next season.
YAHWN GORDON - really nothing insightful to tell beside: ooh: my band, ooh: my art friends, ooh: i was hanging out with important and now famous people, ooh: i am a the grandmother of old hipster girls (of today), ooh, i need to pay for the collage of my daughter so i wrote a boring memoir ... wake up wake up wake up, it's the 1st of the month
+kuku ruku lmao so true
You are a fucking tool
I couldn’t stand her after reading that book.
Kimberly what are your thoughts on people who buy your music and the marketing of a was been? I'll take my answer to go please. Keep the change Kimberly. Why break tradition into shards and smoke em. You'll lose weight. Especially when you remove her head.
The name of the book is "Girl in a Band" and there is not much written about the BAND at all. The title is misleading because I thought that the book is about her and the band, but it is just a boring text with self advertising as a person of importance. So disappointing, not one detail about the band that we did not know. Do not spend 35$ on this, not worth it.
alexander dragutinovic I listened to the book for free on RUclips and she talks about every album she created with SY
Lost girl grows up middle class, basically pleasant looking, marginally talented "artist" becomes marginally successful musician without an outstanding voice or instrumental ability, (insult to all actual bassists- this woman claims she had a problem breaking her bass strings- wtf?), makes mediocre rock music that evolves to 6-aspirin "noise rock", writes confessional, name-dropping memoir of vague self importance to excoriate disinterested husband and claim victory. Oh, and she had a clothing line of ironic t-shirts that were modeled by herself and her famous friends, let's not forget that. Her slender book is, as she says herself- "Kind of a weird journey". Yeah, a woman wronged is always right, that explains everything. Ah, the crimes committed in the name of "Art". Enjoy your worshipped "elder-stateswoman" book tour, followed by a life of monied art making, Ms. Gordon, this should be the finale. You're not a girl anymore. You're not in a band. You're a grandma in a black leather jacket, and you know everybody wants to see that. If I was Thurston I'd move to the desert.
Kafka treasures actual "talent", not the image of talent. Gordon actually admits in the book that she isn't a musician, but an "artist". The difference being that art is judged subjectively and music is judged objectively. One can either compose melodies and chord structures or they can't. Anyone can draw circles, call them "wreaths" and sell them because they were once in a band that was successful for being basically performance art. Gordon states that she hates that term. If one equates hate with fear as the Greek classicists did the naked truth becomes clear on that score. She may be a fine person, certainly she has character, strength and ethics. She is a self admitted accidental musician who came to believe the adoring females that wanted to be like her, or BE her, did so for her musical talent, something that she herself knew was never really there.
When you become older perhaps you will find that one exclamation mark is often more expressive than the omg lack of control suggested by adding 10 !!!!!!!!!!. You are correct, music is a personal thing, and how it's sold and fetishized are personal things too, all reacted to differently. In my opinion Kim Gordon is more feminist fetish icon than musician, as she herself suggests/admits in her book titled GIRL in a band. Just sayin'.
Franz Kafka Perhaps when you gain a better use of the English language you'll forgo using the term "just saying". Kim happens to be a close friend, I'm quite aware of what her contribution were to Sonic Youth, she penned quite a few very good songs and came up with the melodic riffs that made them great
Self proclaimed "close friend" chimes in, mixing plurals (contribution-were) while criticizing use of street vernacular. Meanwhile maybe you too should write a book to bolster your self appointed protector-of-Kim cred, something I'm certain she will personally thank you for.Think of that ego-affirming Kim- attention as your well-deserved close friend reward. Good job, protector! Stay in school, education is so important.
Telluswhachaknow There you go, raising the bar for class in the conversation, as I expected you would. I wonder what your "close friend" Kim Gordon would think of your comment? I'm sure your charming insight in her defense would appeal to her greatly.