I actually like the fact that Ryan wasn't able to ride the bike at the end, goes against the cliche of "someone dies and now I'm so inspired that I can do anything". Ryan still not being able to ride the bike is a lot more true to life, which I appreciate.
I along with I'm sure a lot of other people have a love hate relationship with Jodie's Doctor. I personally love Jodie as the Doctor, just have issues with a lot of the writing, which again I think a lot of folks would agree with. So I am very curious to see your thoughts on it!
Agreed. Jodi was fantastic in the episodes I saw. I get bored and quit the show for other reasons, the writing being the chief culprit. I don't think they got this show. But we'll see. I may finish watching this season. I've heard the next season is better.
Yeah i agree I have no issue with jodi as the doctor, I do have an issue with the way she is portrayed in some instances but I've only watched series 11 and some of 12 so I dont know if they have remedied any of those issues. I think jodi did a great job in her portrayal of the doctor but the doctor and the series writing are intertwined in ways: if the writing is bad it'll often reflect bad on the doctor, being the main character. Apologies if I'm just sort of rambling im tired lmfao
That's pretty much where I was with her run. SHE was great, and I liked her companions too. But the writing for her run was just not for me. I also didn't like the outfit she changed into, I thought she looked fantastic in Capaldi's tattered outfit.
I disagree for one reason, Peter Capaldi, personnally he is my favorite Doctor by far, anyway, in his era, there was a lot of very bad writing, but he never was an issue for me, himself as the doctor never was annoying, I never got bored, I always loved him and his AMAZING acting, but Jodie? Everybody says it's not her fault and that it was just bad writing, but no, her acting was horrendeous too
This was a solid episode that made me so hopeful for the new era. Jodie's Doctor came full-fledged, with interesting character traits. A Doctor that builds her gadgets instead of relying on the sonic screwdriver? Count me in! I couldn't wait to see what she would have built next. It was so Classic Who. Every character had something: the cancer survivor; the first companion with a disability; a young police woman that wants more from life. So many arcs we could have explored! You can really tell that for this episode, Chibnall wrote at least a second draft.
I agree. However for me after this episode it went downhill instantly and only picked up after the first season. I think i preferred them but i still had the bad taste of the first season that made me not get into it
Fun fact: Graham's actor has been in the Whoniverse before - he played an evil alien clown on The Sarah Jane Adventures back in 2008 or 09 XD (would be epic if you guys decided to cover that once you've run out of Jodie)
I was working in London for 3 months in 2005. I can't remember if it was November or December but I was sitting at the Hotel Bar. A young Woman came in, I gave her my stool and we talked for ages. She had a great sense of humour. Then she had to leave for her work the next morning. It wasn't till she went away I realised I didn't know where she worked. The only thing I knew was her first name, Jodie. It was about four years later I found out she was an Actress and was making a Movie when we met called, 'Venus'. I think it was released in 2006. So I met the Doctor before she Regenerated.
I loved Jodie's Doctor from the get-go. Her energy was so reminiscent of David Tennant I automatically felt we were in safe hands. As for the 'tragic deaths'', I'm not crazy about them either, but they've been a staple of new Who since the RTD days.
this is a tiny bit of a Gals Spoiler I suppose but we've watched a few more at this point and I was JUST saying how much the series feels like the Classic episodes we've been watching!
regardless of what I think of the rest of the era I personally think this is really solid doctor intro episode. Up there with deep breath and eleventh hour for me.
@@tbass94 yeah lol its not absolutely awful like some of the other episodes of this era but up there with eleventh hour or deep breath? no way. its like the bare minimum with some poor dialogue and camera work. there is just no magic to this episode.
It's interesting that you would think that the Doctor getting mad about Carl pushing the alien off would be something the Doctor would do because to me and a lot of people it seems like the Doctor has a really weird moral contradiction here in which she would allow the Stenza to harm himself (which I would see as basically doing it directly, allowing someone to pick up a grenade unknowingly is morally the same as giving it to them I would think) but then get angry at someone else dealing harm to them.
The main mistake Chibnail did during his whole run was to kill Grace, who had the most personality out of all of the new companions. I genuinely think this whole series would be 100 times better, if we just had Graham and Grace with occasional Ryan for whole season 11 and maybe most of season 12. Keeping Yasmin for later seasons and giving her proper attention. Also for me this was probably one of the best episodes of whole Jodie's run, definitely one of the best before season 13 aired. It was somehow solid start, cute post-regen confusion, ok plotline idea and really nice horror scenes. But I would say for me - it only goes downhill from this, until quality somehow picks up in season 13 (with few occasional ok episodes). Can't wait for your reaction to the Ghost Monument. ED: No wait - the biggest mistake was to not allow/make Jodie to watch other series and find her own performance out of the decades of the show's history. This made her lack depth in many episodes, especially when she got bad scripts. Mostly, because her performance just felt like someone playing a role for a singular movie, not a continuation of multifaceted character like Doctor.
I think the lack of depth stems from Chibnall's scripts, as opposed to Jodie's not having watched previous Doctors, as the majority of actors who've played the part didn't "research" it either. I don't think many of the others could have given the character much depth given the quality of Chibnall's writing; Thirteen's dialogue and (written) character just strikes me as uninspired, simplistic and superficial.
3 full time companions right away was also a major mistake. Should always start with just 1 and then maybe add a 2nd full timer after the 1st has established a relationship with the Doctor. With 3 right out of the gate I never felt like any of them were developing the kind of relationship I want with the Doctor.
I remember how weird it was when this episode first dropped. The show was totally different. Different music, a more-cinematic look and more companions this time. Also, there's no opening titles (apart from the quick burst of the new theme when the Doctor eventually turns up!) and no TARDIS either. I did absolutely love Jodie as the Doctor. She's so goofy/quirky, which is perfect for the Doctor. Also, what probably wasn't as obvious for viewers like you outside the U.K., was how freaking good Bradley Walsh was as Graham. Over here in the U.K., he's more well-known as a game show host and comedian, although he has done plenty of serious acting through the years. Right from the start, he's funny but also the emotional heart of the show. I can't wait to see you react to the rest of the season.
Okay, accidentally clicked on the video itself, but I was trying to save it for later. I know for a fact we _should_ have this on HBO Max on the TV so what I intend to do is watch it properly first _then_ basically get Paula's take on this Doctor three seconds after I've just met her.
Jodie is a local lass, from my actual town here in Yorkshire, same as Patrick Stewart and Lena Hedey. So we can claim oscar winner actors, prime ministers, captains of the Enterprise, a Queen of Westeros,, and more importantly now The Doctor
@@firefly24601 I think that was filmed in a different part of Yorkshire, with the great Grimethorpe Colliery Band. Jodie Whittaker's home town of Skelmanthorpe has a very fine brass band of its own, though.
This was the first "uh oh" moment. For me it was the cold and heartless way she treated Graces Death. Literally just after the funeral she was joking about leaving and making it all about her. I feel that when people die to help, the other Doctors have taken it a lot harder. Like they cared more about people. This came off as "Grace died... yeah... that's too bad... so... we're Fam right? You like me right?"
I’m excited for this, it’s taken me nearly Jodie’s whole run as The Doctor to get into it, far longer than it’s taken me with any other doctor. Now I’m on board I’m looking forward to another look with you guys.
Does it get better, I dropped off around here. I loved her as the doctor, but the writing just wasn't supporting her. It didn't do any favors for Capaldi either, but usually, he could just push past it.
Excited to see you watch this. I am torn on this and the next series. There are so many really good episodes. I love Jodi. I feel that the show gets let down by a lot of the writing. I don't think Chris Chibnall did Jodi, the Doctor, and the show justice. But you will judge for yourself. And you have made me look at previous episodes that I didn't like in a new light, so who knows.
I feel s11 is a pretty in-offensive season but I dont find anything interesting or exciting in it to make me want to rewatch it. Season 12 is when things start going downhill for me.
After the fate of the universe stuff that was all over Moffat's tenure as the showrunner, I loved that Thirteen's debut episode was going all out to save a single person.
Related: On the note of companions needing a reason to travel with The Doctor, there's a great quote about why so many D&D characters have at least one dead parent. "Well adjusted happy people don't normally run off to fight dragons"
Jodie is essentially my mom's Doctor, since she was the first Doctor she followed for the whole run (though I had shown her a little of the previous Doctors, mostly Tennant - but did NOT skip 9). I feel like this episode worked as a starting point for new viewers without alienating those who have been following all along - though I did keep shouting DON'T TOUCH IT! every time someone touched those creepy pods (Who has me primed for the worst case scenario). And I felt like the Grace thing left a sour note in many people's mouths. Personally, I think there's a lot to like about this era, so I hope you guys enjoy it!
Totally agree about Grace. And I think it's perceptive to spot that Chibnall might be trying to match Moffat. Interested to see what you think about that aspect in future episodes.
I love Jodie's Doctor. I think her run just gets better from one series to the next. That's not to say her first season isn't fantastic. Some of my favorite Jodie-era episodes are in this season. As always, I'm looking forward to following your journey on the upcoming ride.
@@Rick-Rarick Interesting writing, good acting, interesting characters, good treatment of many tropes, took the story in new directions, found ways to add to the story of the doctor even after so many decades. Dr who is often not very good episode by episode. This round was good more often then bad. I think the internet makes us have a million expectations because we watch in communities. We expect WAY too much from Children’s television as adults.
I admit that I was uncomfortable with a few of the directions Chibnall went, but I believe this era was better than the noise suggests. It might age better in the long run. I liked it better than the JNT/Eric Saward era.
it is entirely possible i will enjoy your reactions to more then the run of the 13th doctor. IMHO it had so much potential and so little of it was realized
It's so surreal to see you two cover the current Doctor. I love it. So truth be told this may be my least favorite season of Doctor Who, but some positives: -Jodie is great. -Graham is one of the best companions ever. I really feel like he's reminiscent of what Wilfred would have been like had he been a full time companion. -This is a solid opener. -Tzim Shaw is a fun villain. -The writing DOES improve. I may be the minority on this, but I feel the next season, as soon as the holiday special between seasons, is genuinely great, and the season after (the most recent one) is decent too.
Agree with others that this is a solid beginning for a new Doctor. We get all of the familiar stuff- new companions, alien threat, an innocent who is trying to help dies, etc. Also, The Doctor sounds like a crazy person lol But they quickly realize that's due to be an alien and a genius. I like that she makes a sonic screwdriver. Paula touched on something that you'll definitely see and feel more of and that is that this Doctor does not seem to have the anger and guilt the others had. It's kind of refreshing in a way but, unfortunately, loses the gravitas the others had due to their absence. Except for the opening credits and whenever the Doctor goes into action, I don't like the musical decisions. Murray Gold is definitely missed.
What Paula said about the "lense of context" is spot on tbh. Lots of things about this episode feel very different when rewatching for the 10th time lol. Not gonna go into detail ofc bc spoilers
Yep. It turns out the woman who fell to earth was Grace all along. If they had called the episode A Fall From Grace, it would have been too obvious. I think this episode is pretty decent. Jodie is given some good stuff to do (building a new sonic, jumping from one crane to another, outsmarting Tim Shaw) and it serves as a good introduction to the new companions.
There was a Tom Baker episode titled, "Robots of Death" and the mystery was if it wasn't any person on board killing others who- or what- could be doing it? Hmmm...lol
I love Jodi as the doctor and her companions and some of the stories and emotional points they hit with her were exceptional ( but some of the story decisions are uhhh interesting ) I am going to have to catch up on the most recent episodes so I can keep watching with yall
I couldn't get into Chibnal/Jodie's Doctor Who, i tried as i was all in for a female Doctor after the greatness that was Missy(Michelle Gomez), but they missed the mark so much imo. Paula's summary at the end i can relate
I love the subtleties of Jodie's performance over the course of this episode, you can literally see echoes of the physical and verbal tics of the past actors and at first it makes her performance feel haphazard but thats who she is right now and you can see through her acting her own version of the doctor congealing and I thought it was brilliantly acted. Its weird because for most shows I prefer solid writing to solid acting but for Doctor Who solid acting can carry even the worst script (and this was far from the worst script we've seen). Also hard agree, still mad about Grace. She was a compelling character and I hate the 'lets bond over the death of a more interesting character' trope.
I seem to remember Jodie saying she made a point of NOT studying previous Dr Who...so any echoes you see of past doctors are probably just coincidental. I mean, in a way all the doctors have been a bit kooky, so anything she does that's a bit kooky will surely remind you of some past doctor.
@@orchidwave2574 Possibly! And obviously a good bit of it there IS the dialog they gave her, word choice combined with the right flamboyant gesture at the right time could easily create associations that weren't there, still it was a very satisfying episode for me as a result, regardless.
Great reactions. Loved hearing your thoughts. I love this doctor and this era. The show has never looked better and the music is amazing my favourite revival version of the theme.
as much as i hate the 13th doctor and especially the writing to the level that i not even watched the latest season, graham is borderline amazing. i really love graham
I'll be honest, I like very little about Chibnall Who and still find it hard to sit through, but I'm still excited to hear both your takes on it! Perhaps it will lend another perspective that I haven't considered before!
I think this is a decent opening episode. Personally I find the historicals of this era some of the strongest. Honestly I wonder if it would've benefitted from more female writing. It's got a bit better in more recent years, but the history of Who is not one of diverse writing staff.
This is one of the strongest Doctor intro episodes ever, in my opinion. I just love it. As for the tragic deaths, I feel like this has been missing from (or highly reduced in) modern Who for a few seasons. Everything was fine, no one got hurt (at least not lastingly), and although that's the outcome we all hope for in life, I feel like it had the result of defanging the Doctor's opponents and eliminating any real sense of threat or danger in the show. Finally, the baddies are genuinely dangerous again and, although I'm not a fan of violence, I welcome the stakes that brings back with it to the world of Doctor Who. Also the sad elements and scenes are realistic. Been a while since we've had much of that in Doctor Who. Grief doesn't disappear when the next day dawns. Ryan's condition is a real thing and not something that can be overcome with just "a few more tries". He has a disability and a crappy dad. But none of those things holds Ryan or Graham back from continuing to try and be their best selves. And I think that's an important message that's written there between the lines. You aren't disqualified from a meaningful life even if you've got long-term, possibly permanent, challenges in your life.
I do feel like a problem with modern who (as well as much of modern sci-fi), has been that characters don't die, but I feel like it at least needs to be earned. There has to be a balance between Moffat, who kills characters and good times but brings them back to disappoint, and Chibnall, who kills characters without ever giving them meaningful characters so the deaths just feel empty and unnecessary. I also think that the stakes of the show would help to become more scary, but I feel like it has to go along with making the world feel more continuous throughout. Like during Davies' first era, every single alien invasion remained in the public consciousness, which informed later stories and the stakes of them. Nowadays, each new alien goes to earth and meets people who haven't learned from past invasions of this very same era, so the plots seem derivative and this added danger means nothing.
With Jodie's era, I enjoy the most episodes while I'm watching them, and even love some of them, but feel her overall series arcs are not strong enough. And I don't mean plot arcs, but I feel her doctor never had a strong enough character arc.
Interestingly, of the main cast only Jodie and Mandip have genuine northern accents. Tosin and Sharon are acting (pretty good job too) and Bradley just keeps his Essex accent. Most of supporting cast genuine northerners as far as I can tell. I think you are keeping up so far even if the subtitles were struggling! “Right, this is gunna be fun….”
With Grace's death, you have to remember where Chibnall comes from. I don’t like a lot of his work, but I understand that he was a Doctor Who fan in his own time too. Just like Davies and Moffat. Look at young fan boy Chris and you'll get context...
Overall, I thought this was a solid first outing. Despite reservations about a female Doctor, Jodie hooked me in from her first moments and quickly became my favourite of the New Who era (although I'm still a Classic fan at heart). Without straying into spoiler territory, I like that Chibnall ditched the rather tiresome and overblown direction Moffat had taken Who with the Doctor being the universally known and feared 'oncoming storm'. The Doctor has always been a very fallible wanderer and meddler and I think this is where Chibnal returns the character. Graham, of course, is my favourite companion--it's long overdue that we had an older man.
Interesting to see Paula and Katrina react , think I felt quite similarly about the start of the Chibnall era when I saw it . A very different feel , and A bit dark and confusing .
Been trying to think how to phrase this, and not turn into one of my typical super lengthy rambles (not saying this will be short, but not novella). XD I've enjoyed Jodie's run, myself. And I know I'm not alone in that, it's just that some voices are a bit more loud and insistent on their dislike as the correct view to have. Going well beyond hate watching, in some cases. A problem not just with Doctor Who either, sadly. Also seeming to ignore, this is a long, long running show. If one era doesn't appeal to you, things will change. And burying others with really heavy handed doomsaying isn't going to help. The show has to keep going to be able to make more on-screen stories. Anyway, Jodie's Doctor reminds me a bit of Five in some moments (brighter colors, a bit more approachable at a glance and attitude, not cranky-at-a-distance vibes), but with some of the energy and wackiness of some of the more animated and lighthearted portrayals. Though not quite as animated as Four could get at times. But there's moments where you see darker glimpses, like confronting T'zim Sha and using his own weapon against him (there is some gloopy alien blood even if I recall). That more serious side the Doctor likes to usually keep hidden. Refusing Wilf's gun to stop the Master, till the Time Lords are mentioned. Many times where the Doctor could have stopped the Daleks for good (well, till next time they're needed for a story), but questioning what to do. I've always liked such conflicts in the character. "Very old, and very kind," but do not make the Doctor truly upset. As to killing Grace, it was a loss. I would have liked her alive, enjoyed her performance and character. But I also get it, motivation going forward, character development, etc. It's also a change from Moffat's "they're dead. But wait, are they really? I'm doing it again, they're coming back!" approach.
Well his Gran died, there was a sad funeral, his dad is a piece of shit and he still couldn't ride that fucking bike, what better reason is there to go on a space and time journey with some crazy lady who fell from the sky. Oh God you just watched the Gravity Falls finale too? Jesus no wonder y'all were an emotional wreck after this episode. As for this era of Who, there is some DARK shit coming up, but there is a lot more light hearted than the light hearted than in the Moffat era
Spoilers below for the rest of Chibnall's run One of my gripes with Chibnall's run was exactly what you touched on in this episode, whenever he wants to add drama or establish a threat he introduces a red-shirt with a touching backstory and then immediately kills them off in a tragic way. It's really lazy writing in my opinion and just desensitized me to character death, which made me care less and less about the stakes. I think this issue also speaks to one of Chibnall's weaknesses as a writer. I think he is capable of writing really great long-form entertainment, just look at season 1 of Broadchurch it was great. I think DW episodes written by Chibnall (including those in the Moffat's tenure as showrunner) very often suffer from feeling rushed, which is maybe because he struggles to keep a narrative under 45 minutes. Killing off random characters probably seems like a good shortcut to establishing the stakes and making us feel things. That's just my thoughts and opinions anyway, anyone agree?
I was very skeptical of Whittaker at first. Not because I cared that they made The Doctor a woman. They had been building towards that for a long time and I was down for it. But because I had in my mind type cast Whittaker. I knew her from the amazing show Broadchurch (if you haven't seen it, SEE IT! Many Dr. Who actors in it including three Doctors, Rory, Prisoner Zero...). And her character there was so NOT like I could ever imagine The Doctor. She was excellent playing that role, but overall she did not impress me enough to see her as The Doctor. (I had the same problem long ago with Peter Davison...I knew him from All Creatures Great and Small (which I still love and is so sweet). I just could not place him as The Doctor. I got over it with Whittaker but only decades later with Davison. I was wrong. She would not be one of my favorite Doctors, but she picked up the playful side of the Doctor as a nice reminder that not all Doctors are grumpy like we saw in the Christmas Special. She was good and I liked her companions. Like with Capaldi I do not think she always got good scripts and plots. But some are amazing. One in particular I love that apparently was not popular among some fans...
I kinda feel like because those episodes are double the length, maybe it would be nice to have them released as two parter reactions? I don't know probably people will complain that this would prolong Jodie's saga reaction, but well. Especially in episode like this one that actually got packed with plot it would be nice to split.
@@BDRmongoose Yes, Chibnall really went out of his way to distance his run as far as possible from what came before and that was really detrimental to Jodie's run. I can understand wanting to take a property in a new direction, but basically sh*tting on what came before is never a thing that works out for an established show.
I theorize this incarnation was influenced by that feisty blonde Yorkshire girl Twelve met in the Xmas special with the Santa Claus played by Nick Frost.
I think my issues with chibnall's run can be boiled down to two things. 1. Chibnall completely overhauled his writer's room and staffed it with young diverse writers. Not in itself a bad thing but these young writers were very inexperienced in science fiction writing and in just writing in general and chibnall didnt keep any of the seasoned writers around to workshop scripts. 2. Chibnall treated his run as if it was the very first season of doctor who. What i mean is he had the tendency to pursue any idea even if it directly contradicts previously established lore of the show. When your direction is like this and you hire a young group of writers you just chopped yourself at the knee in terms of writing quality. He stabbed himself in the foot and then the BBC tried to blame sexism.
To be honest, I don't think it was the writer's room that was the issue. In general, I liked the episodes Chiball DIDN'T write better than the ones he DID write. With certain exceptions, of course.
Jodie had potential as a hyperactive steampunk maguver inventor type Doctor that she's hinted at being in this episode... which she's never allowed to be again. The writing and her performance just became a culdesac 5 episodes into series 11. Shame.
I think this episode is great, I love Jodie as the Doctor, and I love the companions! I really dislike Chibnals entire run and style. Season 2 is a definite improvement but, to me, it's a lot of missed opportunities and plot lines that go nowhere and never really make sense. Sad though. For me, cuz I really really love Jodie as the Doctor!
I recall someone writing a piece about how they ~ for the first time ever ~ not only themselves, but the same thing Ryan has to deal with even being mentioned on a TV show; from the first I loved the three companions; especially Yaz. And Jodie was The Doctor even faster than Matt Smith. I equate this era with Sylvestor McCoy's though. Fantastic actor playing the lead, with an incredible companion and awful, awful writing; not in these first couple of eps though. And I knew Grace was going to die almost from the first moment she appeared on screen (this was the first time I watched Who since part way through Matt Smith's second season and I knew nothing about who would be travelling with them), and I still cried. If there's one thing about modern Who that has alienated me from it is the pain it seems incapable of not delivering. At the time they were announcing who would be The Doctor I was wishing so hard for it to be Nina Sosanya, and I liked the outfit Jodie Whittaker wore in the promo far more than the one picked as it reminded me so much; for reasons I still cannot explain, of Patrick Troughton. Given that this was the first time I ever saw Jodie Whittaker; so I thought at the time (I had seen her in a short film where she played a lesbian role, but didn't realise that until haflway through this season), the comparisons with the two actors stand out even more for me now. So much to look forward to at this point, but I wish now that a woman had been running the show. If wishes were horses though and I was quickly missing eps again because Chibnall was doing to the show what Moffat and RTD had done before and; now I realise, JNT did in the 80s. I'm still grieving I guess, and I wish there were more episodes and Jodie Whittaker had stayed in the role longer, a lot longer than Chibnall anyway. And I am mourning Grace all over again!!! kerk
Welcome to Jodies Doctor! - I really don't know how to best describe my views:- while I personally thought it was a bit much of a departure from what went before & I found her tenure the weakest in New Who, I've not hated on the Jodie era as many have: it's still very watchable - in fact for my money, she's probably got some of the best storylines/episodes in all of New Who! I'll be very interested to see what you think of her run, & how she & Chibnall compare to previous Doctors & Show runners! Enjoy!
Allowing for breaks in filming, and Classic Who between each Series, they might not finish until early 2023. Which means Series 14 would be their first "live" reaction.
20:10 You're talking about A Different World, the spin off from The Cosby Show,yes? I'm guessing you mean Dwayne Wayne? Yes,things do change as it was intended as a vehicle for Lisa Bonet and her character,Denise Huxtable but Jasmine Guy stole the show as Whitley Gilbert.
I did not hardly critisize Chibnal & Jodie area. Now we finished the line of them, I can give my opinions without (of course) spoilers. Jodie is wonderful at playing the first woman doctor as she puts her act into the show. I did not find her the same amount of passion like 9-12th doctors had. It could be also because of the script but I did not see that from her that much. As of Chibnal, gosh I love to see his end came finally. His stories were pretty worse for me to watch and even loose my connection from the show sometimes. He likes drama and introducing different concepts to the show. The problem is that, he’s not good at combining events properly and either leave pretty obvious gaps, or quickly solve an issue like it’s nothing. The new ideas he brought did not create an excitement for me. This season was exceptionally boring as the other two rescued a little bit. I really appreciating how RTD and Moffat put their efforts to series, even passing stories to each other like River’s story. This seems to be very empty on Chibnall area. I can only wish you to enjoy from the show, while I’m waiting on the new stories that doesn’t include Chibnal. I also think that Jodie would do so much better without his stories.
We love Jodie! A very cool start for the new Doctor. Solid team of new companions. Graham is my fave cause he's so bewildered and occasionally sarky...😂 Jodie's Doctor is like a kitten..so enthusiastic, playful, inquisitive and full of life. I also love the fact she uses her own accent too.😊
Ugh, yeah.. Toothface dude had to be my least favorite villain aesthetic ever, from.. any franchise.. Paula's comment about Grace's death made me realize something, and it's taken me this long to start to understand my issue with it, and I'll have more to say on it later, but.. something about her death didn't feel.. earned. And in that the writing felt not honest? I don't think people should watch shows knowing ahead of time a character they dislike "will get better" or whatever. For one, it's possible they won't like them later on, which will be sad but an honest reaction. But also, sometimes people disliking a character a little more intensely makes them appreciate the journey and development of the character (or the writing) more later on. (And, being told what's coming is spoilery.)
I actually like the fact that Ryan wasn't able to ride the bike at the end, goes against the cliche of "someone dies and now I'm so inspired that I can do anything".
Ryan still not being able to ride the bike is a lot more true to life, which I appreciate.
I along with I'm sure a lot of other people have a love hate relationship with Jodie's Doctor. I personally love Jodie as the Doctor, just have issues with a lot of the writing, which again I think a lot of folks would agree with. So I am very curious to see your thoughts on it!
Agreed. Jodi was fantastic in the episodes I saw. I get bored and quit the show for other reasons, the writing being the chief culprit. I don't think they got this show.
But we'll see. I may finish watching this season. I've heard the next season is better.
Yeah i agree I have no issue with jodi as the doctor, I do have an issue with the way she is portrayed in some instances but I've only watched series 11 and some of 12 so I dont know if they have remedied any of those issues. I think jodi did a great job in her portrayal of the doctor but the doctor and the series writing are intertwined in ways: if the writing is bad it'll often reflect bad on the doctor, being the main character. Apologies if I'm just sort of rambling im tired lmfao
That's pretty much where I was with her run. SHE was great, and I liked her companions too. But the writing for her run was just not for me. I also didn't like the outfit she changed into, I thought she looked fantastic in Capaldi's tattered outfit.
Jodi was fine as the Doctor but a lot (most) of the writing was atrocious.
I disagree for one reason, Peter Capaldi, personnally he is my favorite Doctor by far, anyway, in his era, there was a lot of very bad writing, but he never was an issue for me, himself as the doctor never was annoying, I never got bored, I always loved him and his AMAZING acting, but Jodie? Everybody says it's not her fault and that it was just bad writing, but no, her acting was horrendeous too
This was a solid episode that made me so hopeful for the new era. Jodie's Doctor came full-fledged, with interesting character traits. A Doctor that builds her gadgets instead of relying on the sonic screwdriver? Count me in! I couldn't wait to see what she would have built next. It was so Classic Who. Every character had something: the cancer survivor; the first companion with a disability; a young police woman that wants more from life. So many arcs we could have explored! You can really tell that for this episode, Chibnall wrote at least a second draft.
I agree. However for me after this episode it went downhill instantly and only picked up after the first season. I think i preferred them but i still had the bad taste of the first season that made me not get into it
I love Graham. It is a nice change in the companion dynamic. Having an older companion who isn't trying to find themselves is a good choice.
Fun fact: Graham's actor has been in the Whoniverse before - he played an evil alien clown on The Sarah Jane Adventures back in 2008 or 09 XD (would be epic if you guys decided to cover that once you've run out of Jodie)
I was working in London for 3 months in 2005. I can't remember if it was November or December but I was sitting at the Hotel Bar. A young Woman came in, I gave her my stool and we talked for ages. She had a great sense of humour. Then she had to leave for her work the next morning. It wasn't till she went away I realised I didn't know where she worked. The only thing I knew was her first name, Jodie. It was about four years later I found out she was an Actress and was making a Movie when we met called, 'Venus'. I think it was released in 2006. So I met the Doctor before she Regenerated.
Of course you did.
@@ManChild1980 Do I sense Jealousy.
The start of one of my favorite Eras! Can't wait to see how much you guys will love Jodie and the 13th Doctor!!!
I loved Jodie's Doctor from the get-go. Her energy was so reminiscent of David Tennant I automatically felt we were in safe hands. As for the 'tragic deaths'', I'm not crazy about them either, but they've been a staple of new Who since the RTD days.
oh my gosh it's here! it's started! ahhhh!
You guys should check out Paula's latest 'Things get Dicey' episode on her channel. That bag of tears was filled up by this reaction.
@@MalcolmWolf oh yeah, definitely
Been watching the show for over 50yrs and I think this is my favorite Series, very classic who and I really appreciated it.
this is a tiny bit of a Gals Spoiler I suppose but we've watched a few more at this point and I was JUST saying how much the series feels like the Classic episodes we've been watching!
@@PaulaDeming yeah it has that feel
regardless of what I think of the rest of the era I personally think this is really solid doctor intro episode. Up there with deep breath and eleventh hour for me.
Seriously? I found it the least offensive of her era but still so dull
@@tbass94 yeah lol its not absolutely awful like some of the other episodes of this era but up there with eleventh hour or deep breath? no way. its like the bare minimum with some poor dialogue and camera work. there is just no magic to this episode.
@@dutchman8887 Sucks that's how it was for you, but I definitely felt a lot of magic to this episode personally.
I am an unabashed fan of this era. Jodie has one of my FAVORITE I am The Doctor moments
Very glad to see you guys finally reaching this era. I love Jodie’s Doctor and am looking forward to seeing what Paula thinks of her.
It's interesting that you would think that the Doctor getting mad about Carl pushing the alien off would be something the Doctor would do because to me and a lot of people it seems like the Doctor has a really weird moral contradiction here in which she would allow the Stenza to harm himself (which I would see as basically doing it directly, allowing someone to pick up a grenade unknowingly is morally the same as giving it to them I would think) but then get angry at someone else dealing harm to them.
The main mistake Chibnail did during his whole run was to kill Grace, who had the most personality out of all of the new companions. I genuinely think this whole series would be 100 times better, if we just had Graham and Grace with occasional Ryan for whole season 11 and maybe most of season 12. Keeping Yasmin for later seasons and giving her proper attention.
Also for me this was probably one of the best episodes of whole Jodie's run, definitely one of the best before season 13 aired. It was somehow solid start, cute post-regen confusion, ok plotline idea and really nice horror scenes. But I would say for me - it only goes downhill from this, until quality somehow picks up in season 13 (with few occasional ok episodes). Can't wait for your reaction to the Ghost Monument.
ED: No wait - the biggest mistake was to not allow/make Jodie to watch other series and find her own performance out of the decades of the show's history. This made her lack depth in many episodes, especially when she got bad scripts. Mostly, because her performance just felt like someone playing a role for a singular movie, not a continuation of multifaceted character like Doctor.
I think the lack of depth stems from Chibnall's scripts, as opposed to Jodie's not having watched previous Doctors, as the majority of actors who've played the part didn't "research" it either. I don't think many of the others could have given the character much depth given the quality of Chibnall's writing; Thirteen's dialogue and (written) character just strikes me as uninspired, simplistic and superficial.
3 full time companions right away was also a major mistake. Should always start with just 1 and then maybe add a 2nd full timer after the 1st has established a relationship with the Doctor. With 3 right out of the gate I never felt like any of them were developing the kind of relationship I want with the Doctor.
@@dcaslick Especially as we started with four companions and Grace and Graham took most of the spotlight...
I remember how weird it was when this episode first dropped. The show was totally different. Different music, a more-cinematic look and more companions this time. Also, there's no opening titles (apart from the quick burst of the new theme when the Doctor eventually turns up!) and no TARDIS either. I did absolutely love Jodie as the Doctor. She's so goofy/quirky, which is perfect for the Doctor. Also, what probably wasn't as obvious for viewers like you outside the U.K., was how freaking good Bradley Walsh was as Graham. Over here in the U.K., he's more well-known as a game show host and comedian, although he has done plenty of serious acting through the years. Right from the start, he's funny but also the emotional heart of the show. I can't wait to see you react to the rest of the season.
Okay, accidentally clicked on the video itself, but I was trying to save it for later. I know for a fact we _should_ have this on HBO Max on the TV so what I intend to do is watch it properly first _then_ basically get Paula's take on this Doctor three seconds after I've just met her.
Jodie is a local lass, from my actual town here in Yorkshire, same as Patrick Stewart and Lena Hedey. So we can claim oscar winner actors, prime ministers, captains of the Enterprise, a Queen of Westeros,, and more importantly now The Doctor
You've got a pretty impressive Brass Band, too, as I recall :)
@@ftumschk OMG, is THAT where Brassed Off takes place? I haven't seen that film in years!
@@firefly24601 I think that was filmed in a different part of Yorkshire, with the great Grimethorpe Colliery Band. Jodie Whittaker's home town of Skelmanthorpe has a very fine brass band of its own, though.
Ok, let's do this. Excited to see what you both think.
This was the first "uh oh" moment. For me it was the cold and heartless way she treated Graces Death. Literally just after the funeral she was joking about leaving and making it all about her. I feel that when people die to help, the other Doctors have taken it a lot harder. Like they cared more about people. This came off as "Grace died... yeah... that's too bad... so... we're Fam right? You like me right?"
I’m excited for this, it’s taken me nearly Jodie’s whole run as The Doctor to get into it, far longer than it’s taken me with any other doctor. Now I’m on board I’m looking forward to another look with you guys.
Does it get better, I dropped off around here. I loved her as the doctor, but the writing just wasn't supporting her. It didn't do any favors for Capaldi either, but usually, he could just push past it.
@@89Crono it does not.
@@89Crono I've been enjoying what we've watched so far, but we're only a few episodes into this series.
@@89Crono Imo series 13 is the worst series of at least modern Who. Series 12 has some fun individual episodes, but also a terrible series arc.
Excited to see you watch this. I am torn on this and the next series. There are so many really good episodes. I love Jodi. I feel that the show gets let down by a lot of the writing. I don't think Chris Chibnall did Jodi, the Doctor, and the show justice. But you will judge for yourself. And you have made me look at previous episodes that I didn't like in a new light, so who knows.
I feel s11 is a pretty in-offensive season but I dont find anything interesting or exciting in it to make me want to rewatch it. Season 12 is when things start going downhill for me.
I'm excited to be watching it and I'm glad you're along for the ride!
@@ciarantc7881 fair enough. I guess it's just my own opinion.
After the fate of the universe stuff that was all over Moffat's tenure as the showrunner, I loved that Thirteen's debut episode was going all out to save a single person.
Related: On the note of companions needing a reason to travel with The Doctor, there's a great quote about why so many D&D characters have at least one dead parent. "Well adjusted happy people don't normally run off to fight dragons"
I am looking forward to doing this journey with you two!
Jodie is essentially my mom's Doctor, since she was the first Doctor she followed for the whole run (though I had shown her a little of the previous Doctors, mostly Tennant - but did NOT skip 9).
I feel like this episode worked as a starting point for new viewers without alienating those who have been following all along - though I did keep shouting DON'T TOUCH IT! every time someone touched those creepy pods (Who has me primed for the worst case scenario). And I felt like the Grace thing left a sour note in many people's mouths.
Personally, I think there's a lot to like about this era, so I hope you guys enjoy it!
Totally agree about Grace. And I think it's perceptive to spot that Chibnall might be trying to match Moffat. Interested to see what you think about that aspect in future episodes.
I love Jodie's Doctor. I think her run just gets better from one series to the next. That's not to say her first season isn't fantastic. Some of my favorite Jodie-era episodes are in this season. As always, I'm looking forward to following your journey on the upcoming ride.
we're so glad you're here!
The overall seasons aren't necessarily the strongest, but I love her performance and a lot of the individual episodes.
This was such a good intro episode! Jodie is my 2nd favorite female doctor, behind Amy Dallen's Doctor!
While the overall seasons aren't amazing, there are a lot of really good individual episodes throughout Jodies tenure. Looking forward to these!
12: Where I go now, it has to be alone.
13: Will you be my new best friends?
over and over different everytime and perfect everytime
I love Jodie’s doctor I wish more people were able to enjoy it
I tried... I really did. I can't wait for the return of RTD! Chibnall was terrible.
@@Rick-Rarick Interesting writing, good acting, interesting characters, good treatment of many tropes, took the story in new directions, found ways to add to the story of the doctor even after so many decades. Dr who is often not very good episode by episode. This round was good more often then bad. I think the internet makes us have a million expectations because we watch in communities. We expect WAY too much from Children’s television as adults.
@@Sagitarria thank you for this comment
Before the social media codification of dislike most people who didn’t like a TV show just didn’t watch it and watched some thing else.
I admit that I was uncomfortable with a few of the directions Chibnall went, but I believe this era was better than the noise suggests. It might age better in the long run. I liked it better than the JNT/Eric Saward era.
it is entirely possible i will enjoy your reactions to more then the run of the 13th doctor.
IMHO it had so much potential and so little of it was realized
Finally finally there doing it
I feel bad about this era.
Jodie did the best she could but... I'll air my grievances at a more appropriate time
Have a feeling Paula is gonna absolutely love this era 💙💙
It's so surreal to see you two cover the current Doctor. I love it.
So truth be told this may be my least favorite season of Doctor Who, but some positives:
-Jodie is great.
-Graham is one of the best companions ever. I really feel like he's reminiscent of what Wilfred would have been like had he been a full time companion.
-This is a solid opener.
-Tzim Shaw is a fun villain.
-The writing DOES improve. I may be the minority on this, but I feel the next season, as soon as the holiday special between seasons, is genuinely great, and the season after (the most recent one) is decent too.
Agree with others that this is a solid beginning for a new Doctor. We get all of the familiar stuff- new companions, alien threat, an innocent who is trying to help dies, etc. Also, The Doctor sounds like a crazy person lol But they quickly realize that's due to be an alien and a genius. I like that she makes a sonic screwdriver.
Paula touched on something that you'll definitely see and feel more of and that is that this Doctor does not seem to have the anger and guilt the others had. It's kind of refreshing in a way but, unfortunately, loses the gravitas the others had due to their absence.
Except for the opening credits and whenever the Doctor goes into action, I don't like the musical decisions. Murray Gold is definitely missed.
What Paula said about the "lense of context" is spot on tbh. Lots of things about this episode feel very different when rewatching for the 10th time lol. Not gonna go into detail ofc bc spoilers
Yep. It turns out the woman who fell to earth was Grace all along. If they had called the episode A Fall From Grace, it would have been too obvious. I think this episode is pretty decent. Jodie is given some good stuff to do (building a new sonic, jumping from one crane to another, outsmarting Tim Shaw) and it serves as a good introduction to the new companions.
There was a Tom Baker episode titled, "Robots of Death" and the mystery was if it wasn't any person on board killing others who- or what- could be doing it? Hmmm...lol
16:00 Grace O’Brien, Astrid Peth, Oswin Oswald, Clara Oswin Oswald…
Unrelated note: Katrina's eyeliner game has made me want to start doing my eyeliner...
Aww no "salad man" 😢 lol
Salad Man is THE BEST!!!
@@firefly24601 A true legend of the Whoniverse, taken from us way too soon
Eat my salad, Halloween! 😆😆
EAT MA SALAD HALLOWEEN!!!!
Salad Man, we barely knew ye....
I love Jodi as the doctor and her companions and some of the stories and emotional points they hit with her were exceptional ( but some of the story decisions are uhhh interesting ) I am going to have to catch up on the most recent episodes so I can keep watching with yall
I couldn't get into Chibnal/Jodie's Doctor Who, i tried as i was all in for a female Doctor after the greatness that was Missy(Michelle Gomez), but they missed the mark so much imo. Paula's summary at the end i can relate
I love the subtleties of Jodie's performance over the course of this episode, you can literally see echoes of the physical and verbal tics of the past actors and at first it makes her performance feel haphazard but thats who she is right now and you can see through her acting her own version of the doctor congealing and I thought it was brilliantly acted. Its weird because for most shows I prefer solid writing to solid acting but for Doctor Who solid acting can carry even the worst script (and this was far from the worst script we've seen).
Also hard agree, still mad about Grace. She was a compelling character and I hate the 'lets bond over the death of a more interesting character' trope.
I seem to remember Jodie saying she made a point of NOT studying previous Dr Who...so any echoes you see of past doctors are probably just coincidental. I mean, in a way all the doctors have been a bit kooky, so anything she does that's a bit kooky will surely remind you of some past doctor.
@@orchidwave2574 Possibly! And obviously a good bit of it there IS the dialog they gave her, word choice combined with the right flamboyant gesture at the right time could easily create associations that weren't there, still it was a very satisfying episode for me as a result, regardless.
I can't wait for the episode with Benny, I want to know your feelings and thoughts of Benny... Benny... Oh Benny, Ican't wait for you to meet Benny...
❤ Jodie!
I don't think I ever really considered that "The Woman Who Fell To Earth" is as much Grace as it is The Doctor.
Great reactions. Loved hearing your thoughts. I love this doctor and this era. The show has never looked better and the music is amazing my favourite revival version of the theme.
as much as i hate the 13th doctor and especially the writing to the level that i not even watched the latest season, graham is borderline amazing. i really love graham
I'll be honest, I like very little about Chibnall Who and still find it hard to sit through, but I'm still excited to hear both your takes on it! Perhaps it will lend another perspective that I haven't considered before!
Love this era, Jodie is my Doctor 🥰...hope you fun with it! 😊
I think this is a decent opening episode. Personally I find the historicals of this era some of the strongest.
Honestly I wonder if it would've benefitted from more female writing. It's got a bit better in more recent years, but the history of Who is not one of diverse writing staff.
Jodie is such a good Doctor!
This is one of the strongest Doctor intro episodes ever, in my opinion. I just love it.
As for the tragic deaths, I feel like this has been missing from (or highly reduced in) modern Who for a few seasons. Everything was fine, no one got hurt (at least not lastingly), and although that's the outcome we all hope for in life, I feel like it had the result of defanging the Doctor's opponents and eliminating any real sense of threat or danger in the show. Finally, the baddies are genuinely dangerous again and, although I'm not a fan of violence, I welcome the stakes that brings back with it to the world of Doctor Who.
Also the sad elements and scenes are realistic. Been a while since we've had much of that in Doctor Who. Grief doesn't disappear when the next day dawns. Ryan's condition is a real thing and not something that can be overcome with just "a few more tries". He has a disability and a crappy dad. But none of those things holds Ryan or Graham back from continuing to try and be their best selves. And I think that's an important message that's written there between the lines. You aren't disqualified from a meaningful life even if you've got long-term, possibly permanent, challenges in your life.
I do feel like a problem with modern who (as well as much of modern sci-fi), has been that characters don't die, but I feel like it at least needs to be earned. There has to be a balance between Moffat, who kills characters and good times but brings them back to disappoint, and Chibnall, who kills characters without ever giving them meaningful characters so the deaths just feel empty and unnecessary. I also think that the stakes of the show would help to become more scary, but I feel like it has to go along with making the world feel more continuous throughout. Like during Davies' first era, every single alien invasion remained in the public consciousness, which informed later stories and the stakes of them. Nowadays, each new alien goes to earth and meets people who haven't learned from past invasions of this very same era, so the plots seem derivative and this added danger means nothing.
ooh yes well said!!
I mean if you had no death or stakes or consequences it would make the show boring.
With Jodie's era, I enjoy the most episodes while I'm watching them, and even love some of them, but feel her overall series arcs are not strong enough. And I don't mean plot arcs, but I feel her doctor never had a strong enough character arc.
This is such a good season, two episodes not withstanding. Looking forward to episode 3 reaction!
Interestingly, of the main cast only Jodie and Mandip have genuine northern accents. Tosin and Sharon are acting (pretty good job too) and Bradley just keeps his Essex accent. Most of supporting cast genuine northerners as far as I can tell. I think you are keeping up so far even if the subtitles were struggling! “Right, this is gunna be fun….”
Northern accent + American captions = "Hoodezfield" 😆
@@firefly24601 That indeed, was a doozy!
Thanks 🙏
Welcome to the era of the toxic fandom! I suspect you will like it, despite the vitriol in the comments section.
With Grace's death, you have to remember where Chibnall comes from. I don’t like a lot of his work, but I understand that he was a Doctor Who fan in his own time too. Just like Davies and Moffat. Look at young fan boy Chris and you'll get context...
Overall, I thought this was a solid first outing. Despite reservations about a female Doctor, Jodie hooked me in from her first moments and quickly became my favourite of the New Who era (although I'm still a Classic fan at heart).
Without straying into spoiler territory, I like that Chibnall ditched the rather tiresome and overblown direction Moffat had taken Who with the Doctor being the universally known and feared 'oncoming storm'. The Doctor has always been a very fallible wanderer and meddler and I think this is where Chibnal returns the character.
Graham, of course, is my favourite companion--it's long overdue that we had an older man.
This is probably my favourite episode of the Chibnall era, and dare I say the 2nd best post regeneration episode of new who.
Interesting to see Paula and Katrina react , think I felt quite similarly about the start of the Chibnall era when I saw it . A very different feel , and A bit dark and confusing .
Been trying to think how to phrase this, and not turn into one of my typical super lengthy rambles (not saying this will be short, but not novella). XD I've enjoyed Jodie's run, myself. And I know I'm not alone in that, it's just that some voices are a bit more loud and insistent on their dislike as the correct view to have. Going well beyond hate watching, in some cases. A problem not just with Doctor Who either, sadly. Also seeming to ignore, this is a long, long running show. If one era doesn't appeal to you, things will change. And burying others with really heavy handed doomsaying isn't going to help. The show has to keep going to be able to make more on-screen stories.
Anyway, Jodie's Doctor reminds me a bit of Five in some moments (brighter colors, a bit more approachable at a glance and attitude, not cranky-at-a-distance vibes), but with some of the energy and wackiness of some of the more animated and lighthearted portrayals. Though not quite as animated as Four could get at times. But there's moments where you see darker glimpses, like confronting T'zim Sha and using his own weapon against him (there is some gloopy alien blood even if I recall). That more serious side the Doctor likes to usually keep hidden. Refusing Wilf's gun to stop the Master, till the Time Lords are mentioned. Many times where the Doctor could have stopped the Daleks for good (well, till next time they're needed for a story), but questioning what to do. I've always liked such conflicts in the character. "Very old, and very kind," but do not make the Doctor truly upset.
As to killing Grace, it was a loss. I would have liked her alive, enjoyed her performance and character. But I also get it, motivation going forward, character development, etc. It's also a change from Moffat's "they're dead. But wait, are they really? I'm doing it again, they're coming back!" approach.
Oh Grace... My lovely,beloved Grace. She could have been a great companion.
Well his Gran died, there was a sad funeral, his dad is a piece of shit and he still couldn't ride that fucking bike, what better reason is there to go on a space and time journey with some crazy lady who fell from the sky. Oh God you just watched the Gravity Falls finale too? Jesus no wonder y'all were an emotional wreck after this episode. As for this era of Who, there is some DARK shit coming up, but there is a lot more light hearted than the light hearted than in the Moffat era
Spoilers below for the rest of Chibnall's run
One of my gripes with Chibnall's run was exactly what you touched on in this episode, whenever he wants to add drama or establish a threat he introduces a red-shirt with a touching backstory and then immediately kills them off in a tragic way. It's really lazy writing in my opinion and just desensitized me to character death, which made me care less and less about the stakes.
I think this issue also speaks to one of Chibnall's weaknesses as a writer. I think he is capable of writing really great long-form entertainment, just look at season 1 of Broadchurch it was great. I think DW episodes written by Chibnall (including those in the Moffat's tenure as showrunner) very often suffer from feeling rushed, which is maybe because he struggles to keep a narrative under 45 minutes. Killing off random characters probably seems like a good shortcut to establishing the stakes and making us feel things.
That's just my thoughts and opinions anyway, anyone agree?
I was very skeptical of Whittaker at first. Not because I cared that they made The Doctor a woman. They had been building towards that for a long time and I was down for it. But because I had in my mind type cast Whittaker. I knew her from the amazing show Broadchurch (if you haven't seen it, SEE IT! Many Dr. Who actors in it including three Doctors, Rory, Prisoner Zero...). And her character there was so NOT like I could ever imagine The Doctor. She was excellent playing that role, but overall she did not impress me enough to see her as The Doctor. (I had the same problem long ago with Peter Davison...I knew him from All Creatures Great and Small (which I still love and is so sweet). I just could not place him as The Doctor. I got over it with Whittaker but only decades later with Davison.
I was wrong. She would not be one of my favorite Doctors, but she picked up the playful side of the Doctor as a nice reminder that not all Doctors are grumpy like we saw in the Christmas Special. She was good and I liked her companions. Like with Capaldi I do not think she always got good scripts and plots. But some are amazing. One in particular I love that apparently was not popular among some fans...
I kinda feel like because those episodes are double the length, maybe it would be nice to have them released as two parter reactions? I don't know probably people will complain that this would prolong Jodie's saga reaction, but well. Especially in episode like this one that actually got packed with plot it would be nice to split.
Jodie is one of those examples of a Great Doctor given Crappy Scripts....particularly Series 11
I agree completely.
@@BDRmongoose Yes, Chibnall really went out of his way to distance his run as far as possible from what came before and that was really detrimental to Jodie's run. I can understand wanting to take a property in a new direction, but basically sh*tting on what came before is never a thing that works out for an established show.
I theorize this incarnation was influenced by that feisty blonde Yorkshire girl Twelve met in the Xmas special with the Santa Claus played by Nick Frost.
I love Jodie!
I think my issues with chibnall's run can be boiled down to two things.
1. Chibnall completely overhauled his writer's room and staffed it with young diverse writers. Not in itself a bad thing but these young writers were very inexperienced in science fiction writing and in just writing in general and chibnall didnt keep any of the seasoned writers around to workshop scripts.
2. Chibnall treated his run as if it was the very first season of doctor who. What i mean is he had the tendency to pursue any idea even if it directly contradicts previously established lore of the show. When your direction is like this and you hire a young group of writers you just chopped yourself at the knee in terms of writing quality. He stabbed himself in the foot and then the BBC tried to blame sexism.
To be honest, I don't think it was the writer's room that was the issue. In general, I liked the episodes Chiball DIDN'T write better than the ones he DID write. With certain exceptions, of course.
There was an awesome fan theory about one of these companions. It wasn't true, but it would have been clever. I don't know if it's a spoiler to tell.
Best not tell - it'll be interesting to see if Paula comes up with something similar off her own bat :)
Finally an objective assessment of this episode.
Jodie had potential as a hyperactive steampunk maguver inventor type Doctor that she's hinted at being in this episode... which she's never allowed to be again.
The writing and her performance just became a culdesac 5 episodes into series 11. Shame.
Yup Kat is STUNNING
What cunning plan will the Doctor come up with to survive being teleported into deep space?
Whatever the plan is, it will be so cunning that you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel
As the Doctor, Jodie is my second favourite (after Matt), just in my opinoon she wasn't given too many great episodes.
I think this episode is great, I love Jodie as the Doctor, and I love the companions! I really dislike Chibnals entire run and style. Season 2 is a definite improvement but, to me, it's a lot of missed opportunities and plot lines that go nowhere and never really make sense. Sad though. For me, cuz I really really love Jodie as the Doctor!
Shame they killed Grace, she would’ve been a fun companion
The antisjw weirdos were slating the Chibnall era. The show has always been educational.
I recall someone writing a piece about how they ~ for the first time ever ~ not only themselves, but the same thing Ryan has to deal with even being mentioned on a TV show; from the first I loved the three companions; especially Yaz. And Jodie was The Doctor even faster than Matt Smith. I equate this era with Sylvestor McCoy's though. Fantastic actor playing the lead, with an incredible companion and awful, awful writing; not in these first couple of eps though. And I knew Grace was going to die almost from the first moment she appeared on screen (this was the first time I watched Who since part way through Matt Smith's second season and I knew nothing about who would be travelling with them), and I still cried. If there's one thing about modern Who that has alienated me from it is the pain it seems incapable of not delivering. At the time they were announcing who would be The Doctor I was wishing so hard for it to be Nina Sosanya, and I liked the outfit Jodie Whittaker wore in the promo far more than the one picked as it reminded me so much; for reasons I still cannot explain, of Patrick Troughton. Given that this was the first time I ever saw Jodie Whittaker; so I thought at the time (I had seen her in a short film where she played a lesbian role, but didn't realise that until haflway through this season), the comparisons with the two actors stand out even more for me now. So much to look forward to at this point, but I wish now that a woman had been running the show. If wishes were horses though and I was quickly missing eps again because Chibnall was doing to the show what Moffat and RTD had done before and; now I realise, JNT did in the 80s. I'm still grieving I guess, and I wish there were more episodes and Jodie Whittaker had stayed in the role longer, a lot longer than Chibnall anyway. And I am mourning Grace all over again!!! kerk
Welcome to Jodies Doctor! -
I really don't know how to best describe my views:- while I personally thought it was a bit much of a departure from what went before & I found her tenure the weakest in New Who, I've not hated on the Jodie era as many have: it's still very watchable - in fact for my money, she's probably got some of the best storylines/episodes in all of New Who!
I'll be very interested to see what you think of her run, & how she & Chibnall compare to previous Doctors & Show runners! Enjoy!
I'm excited too! So glad you're here!
Some of the best storylines and episodes in NuWho? 😂 😂 Come on even objectively speaking that's NOT true.
David Tennant 😎💪
Michael Sheen 😇 🍵
Hold on to ya butts.. oh wrong franchise 🦖
So, you guys are going to be able to do Jodie's final LIVE at this rate.
Allowing for breaks in filming, and Classic Who between each Series, they might not finish until early 2023. Which means Series 14 would be their first "live" reaction.
*Jumps on a sledge and gets ready to enjoy the ride downhill*
20:10 You're talking about A Different World, the spin off from The Cosby Show,yes? I'm guessing you mean Dwayne Wayne? Yes,things do change as it was intended as a vehicle for Lisa Bonet and her character,Denise Huxtable but Jasmine Guy stole the show as Whitley Gilbert.
I've never been a fan of this era for my own reasonings but hopefully rewatching it with you ladies on Pateron will help me appreciate it better.
thank you for being a patron :D
@@PaulaDeming No problem!
I did not hardly critisize Chibnal & Jodie area. Now we finished the line of them, I can give my opinions without (of course) spoilers.
Jodie is wonderful at playing the first woman doctor as she puts her act into the show. I did not find her the same amount of passion like 9-12th doctors had. It could be also because of the script but I did not see that from her that much.
As of Chibnal, gosh I love to see his end came finally. His stories were pretty worse for me to watch and even loose my connection from the show sometimes. He likes drama and introducing different concepts to the show. The problem is that, he’s not good at combining events properly and either leave pretty obvious gaps, or quickly solve an issue like it’s nothing. The new ideas he brought did not create an excitement for me. This season was exceptionally boring as the other two rescued a little bit. I really appreciating how RTD and Moffat put their efforts to series, even passing stories to each other like River’s story. This seems to be very empty on Chibnall area.
I can only wish you to enjoy from the show, while I’m waiting on the new stories that doesn’t include Chibnal. I also think that Jodie would do so much better without his stories.
We love Jodie! A very cool start for the new Doctor. Solid team of new companions. Graham is my fave cause he's so bewildered and occasionally sarky...😂
Jodie's Doctor is like a kitten..so enthusiastic, playful, inquisitive and full of life. I also love the fact she uses her own accent too.😊
It's only David Tennant who hasn't used his own accent in Nu Who.
Although I was also glad they let Jodie use her own as it's the same as mine.
Jodie was so well suited for this role. I'll never forgive Chinbal for wasting that talent.
Ugh, yeah.. Toothface dude had to be my least favorite villain aesthetic ever, from.. any franchise..
Paula's comment about Grace's death made me realize something, and it's taken me this long to start to understand my issue with it, and I'll have more to say on it later, but.. something about her death didn't feel.. earned. And in that the writing felt not honest?
I don't think people should watch shows knowing ahead of time a character they dislike "will get better" or whatever. For one, it's possible they won't like them later on, which will be sad but an honest reaction. But also, sometimes people disliking a character a little more intensely makes them appreciate the journey and development of the character (or the writing) more later on. (And, being told what's coming is spoilery.)
Y’all are mad about Grace, I’m still mad about Danny Pink!
I loved this Doctor from the beginning.