"Masculinity Isn't Toxic, Our View of Men Is" - Peter Lloyd
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Feminism is class based. As a young working woman in the late 60's I went on strike for equal pay, the right not to be sacked when pregnant etc etc I can say that most inequalities are a thing of the past in this respect. Modern feminists are largely 'educated' middle class women and instead of dealing with issues like the rape gangs and challenging the government over the almost decriminalisation of rape. They are ridiculous and worry about trivial stuff like ginger bread men being gender neutral. Most working class women can't relate to them. Men matter to us, we don't see them as the enemy, it matters that young men are so depressed they would take their own lives and so many other issues that affect them. All these 'divisions' are created by educated cultural Marxists.
Maybe you should criticize feminism as it actually is instead of constantly saying "that's not feminism". If you say it's class-based, right now young men have worse outcomes and have a class of feminist women clinically defining and deriding them while saying their external experience is privilige. You are an intentionally ignorant self-serving hypocrite.
It's as though 'feminism' and 'women's issues' have become two separate things entirely.
Well said. Society and the media needs more women to speak out on this issue.
What class are all the arrogant health/higher-ed women that professionally theorize about young men being privileged and suffering from self imposed pathology. Honest question.
Grass roots feminism still exists, womens place has been doing some great work to protect rights where supposedly "feminist" orgs have thrown our hard won rights away. Sex based rights work both ways of course and should be of interest to men too. The right to dignity in healthcare settings is particularly important.
The problem with the "pendulum swings" argument when it comes to race and sex is this: If you punish whites for what blacks endured in the past then you're punishing the least racist whites in history. If you punish men for what women endured in the past then you're punishing the least sexist men in history. I think Peterson said, if you really hate someone and want to ruin them, punish them when they are doing the right thing. Do you think THAT might come back to haunt them in the future? I guarantee it.
Red Potato Same with how society only seems to fix issues when a woman faces it and only helps women. For example, feminist cry about how girls don’t get education in the third world and will have campaigns to get more girls in school but completely ignore how the education systems in these countries were bad, didn’t have enough resources and couldn’t even keep young children in school in the first place but only girls are getting the resources and help in these countries
@James You're right. I hope more and more blacks realize how they are being used and how it can only send us backward.
@@Mrtickleberries Working class women were down the mines, in factories and fields too...they were also pregnant every year or two and died from pregnancy and childbirth. First thing a woman used to do after marriage was weave her shroud so it would be ready if she died.
I totally agree with everything you're saying here, and yes, I do think it will come back to haunt them, and rightly so.
@Raymond Gordon Women who didn't die from pregnancy and childbirth would outlive men, but their risk of death through their basic biological function is higher. However, I didnt make privilege comparisons, I just pointed out the truth that working class women (and children) also worked in mines, factories, agriculture etc. They also did it pregnant and went back to work very soon after childbirth, hence mortality rates. The idea that women were sat at home being pampered in any great number is a myth. Some women, in the middle classes or wealthy did, but.its not truly reflective of the vast majority. Even those upper working classes where the woman did stay at home were doing their own share of fairly heavy labour. Washing, ironing, cleaning and scrubbing for large families with no modern appliances is hard heavy work, especially when you're hefting coal for fires and have no running water. I'm not point scoring, just saying it as it is. Theres a tendency to romanticize some ideal of the 1950s which is inaccurate. I dont think working class men used to think of their wives having it easy, I think they respected the domestic work and when their wives worked to help keep the rent paid and food on the table. Now the role isn't respected, which is sad. Personally I think, if at all possible, it's a positive move for a parent (dont care which) to be able to be at home when the children are little, or to be able to equally share domestic work and external enumerated work...that way the family security, careers and time with family gets balanced. Too many men.probably dont get to do as much with their children and too many women end up financially vulnerable. It's a strain and risk on families. However, most families need both to work full time to pay for housing and the bills. Being a financially dependent woman is bloody scary, which is why women fought for the right to be financially autonomous. Being a man taking on the responsibility of being the sole financial provider is also pretty daunting. The idea, in my mind, is to have a framework in which families have a range of choices and all contributions, paid or unpaid, are equally respected. There are lots of areas where we need to be doing better for mens issues, like shelters, homelessness, suicide prevention, domestic violence, time with children...you wont find any argument from me! I have two sons and I dont quite like the way the world is going. We dont buy Gillette in this house.
“Feminism is a trade union for middle class women”. That is brilliantly accurate.
You may wish to look at the work of organisations such as FILIA which show this is false.
Amy Blakeney thank you! I will definitely do that ☺️ I’m open to learning and I’m not going to dismiss an opportunity to discover information just because a quote sounded good ☺️
@@Papa1Smurf1 Awesome!
@@amyblakeney6611 you have missed the point of the interview and the wit of the quote. But in my experience wit is a very male thing
On the subject of feminism and trade unionism, these two movements gained ground in the 20th century and might have been more closely connected than anyone would think.
There is no doubt that the rise in strength of the trade unions was a thorn in the side of greedy industrialists who wanted men to work for a pittance and never complain.
Working men united and unions flourished but the establishment saw in the fledgling feminist movement a way to attack the working men and hopefully weaken their unions.
All arms of the " establishment" played their part ,from parliament to the media and the education system .
Women were indoctrinated with the feminist propaganda that all men are bad and working class women turned against their men folk.
They could not see that what the Feminists were calling "gender inequality" was in many ways "class inequality".
Don’t forget Boycott Gillette.
I do it 24/7
I tried, but the alternatives are poor
Ryan Bell Schick, while a bit woke themselves is equal in quality to Gillette. I switched to Barbados shave cream and have been happy.
Absolutely I boycott all p&G goods.
Me too
To find out who rules over you, simply establish who you are not allowed to criticize.
MrCyclist68 great call
Red sea pedestrians?
@@timbimjim514 ha ha. Havent heard that for a while! LOL
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It isn't correct. Let's say a mixed race woman... You can't criticise her because a she is mixed race and b she is a woman (according to this ridiculous woke way of thinking). OK, so does she rule over you? Nope. Those making the rules (pseudo-academics and their activists) are the ones ruling over you.
I'm a single father. No one acclaims me as a hero and neither should they. Women seem to want medals for dealing with the consequences of their decisions.
You’re a hero to me brother 🥰
No, single fathers are heroes and single mothers are irresponsible scroungers and bad parents, raising violent criminals or promiscuous daughters who fail at life and are apparantly destroying society. Im fed up of all of it. Both narratives arent helpful to parents or the children!
@@Mrtickleberries I think I've had this conversation with you before.
Toxic Masculinity used to be called Old Spice in my day. The girls loved it.
Wonder if there's a market for a 'Toxic Masculinity' aftershave :)
It would be 99% pure SJW tears.
And some women would just melt. Lol
You mean the birds love it...
Brut invented men
I attended Trafalgar square on Saturday & for the first time saw so many men standing up to protect the speakers. They were absolutely magnificent. I was overwhelmed. We need our men. We need to get back to being a team. I've missed our men
You probably should add a lot more context to this statement. I read it and have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not british which is probably the issue here.
The Dalai Lama didn't say Europe should be for Europeans, what he said is that people's energy would be more usefully and better spent petitioning their own governments for change instead of emigrating to another country and trying to get another country to represent their interests. His point was you'd have better luck changing your own culture than trying to change the culture of another country. I'm paraphrasing, of course. Sounds like perfect common sense. But how can you argue with that? That a country would be and should be most responsive to its own people. Isn't that the basis of democracy, that your government represents your interests, not the vast and varied interests of the 7 billion people of the rest of the world who may want to come there, a total impossibility by the way?
Yea and the Dalai Lama is a refugee himself so he knows more about this than any leftist refugee hugger.
And who's native culture is being erased by communists.
@Paul Atreides : Yes, what he said was far more expansive than 'Europe belongs to the Europeans' which is sounds racist when taken out of context. Which is exactly how it is presented on this show. The spirit of his words was that people should dedicate their energies to their own countries. The actual subject of his comment was not about the Europeans at all, quite the contrary. It was advice to the refugees. And not as a mandate, which is all to common way of reducing everything to black and white, and frankly disingenuous to present it that way.
@Paul Atreides :Did the Dalia Lama mention Africa?
@Paul Atreides : Did I mention Africa?
"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but there will always be something to offend a feminist" - Peter Lloyd.
"Would you like to use some methamphetamine with me?" - Also Peter Lloyd
There was s nothing sexier than a confident man. Not arrogant. Confident. Stay confident true men. True women desire and need you. So do the children! Balance is key.
Lady Court Tales yep, be perfect men. Be absolutely tightrope perfect. Balance is key. Don’t be vulnerable , don’t be too fortified, don’t be too smart, don’t be too dumb, don’t be too confident, don’t be too lacking in confidence. Be perfect , Men.
Yes, Lady Court, we know.
Incoming incel accusations detected.
Yeah, whatever. I couldn’t get laid for many years in my early 20s. I’ll admit it. I was an incel during that time. No one wanted to have sex with me.
We’re, not bad people, we are just guys who are not the ideal choice. If a girl has the selection between myself and my handsome mates, they’re gonna choose handsome every time. I understand completely.
Smells like teen Hitler I think this is the problem for me. The word Incel is used as a shaming slur by women and some men too. It smacks of a distinct lack of sympathy towards people who aren’t necessarily attractive for whatever reason and generate little interest from the opposite sex, then are mocked for it and called bitter basement dwellers. It speaks to the general disposability of men.
People concentrate on the sex part but forget that sex is usually a consequence of being in a relationship. So, not only are incels missing out on physical intimacy, they miss the emotional bonds as well.
I think in men character trumps attractiveness, but maybe I'm just old fashioned.
@Audio Sugar Hey, some people like creepy entitled men who spew misogyny. Like, I'm surprised you don't have more tolerance for trollish caricatures that lurk in a corner of your brain.
@Audio Sugar incel seems to be a word with a variety of definitions.
I take it to mean a person who is an Involuntary Celibate. Any person who desires sex but cannot attain it.
The term seems to have a different meaning for misandrists and bros.
It's strange because we already have words for socially awkward men. These men might be fantastic people but struggle in certain interactions with women they're attracted to. What a curse to carry when you can't string two words together when you like a girl.
If that wasn't bad enough, there's no shortage of bullies on the internet who will put you in the same camp as mass murderers.
"Life isn't fair" is one thing but being compared to a murderer because you're unlucky in your love life is something else entirely.
This woman supports you 100%.
And it is appreciated. I'm really looking forward to a time when people realize again that it's not about an imagined battle of the sexes that needs to be won, but that we evolved to be at our best when we're together, and that both sides are at our weakest when we're without our other half. I find this current state so very frustrating and unnatural it's really just a chore and depressing. It's like this claim that we men think we're better and that women now need to prove they can be just as good (or rather that they are better at everything), when I think that deep down we ALL feel that we're actually at our best as a couple.
We've never had so many singles in the west before. We have a loneliness pandemic for a while now which has lead to a massive rise in suicides and depression. And that has slowly started to come to the attention of the media and politics. However what nobody mentions is... if we're really only at our best when we're together... just imagine what an incredibly waste the currently living generations are... all those single people never being able to reach their full potential because they don't have a loving partner having their back and giving them that drive that everybody who's ever been in a loving relationship knows.. that drive, that feeling of being able to achieve something because that special person showed you what you could be and believed in you.
Yes you need to believe in yourself, but I absolutely 100% believe that nobody will be as good as he or she can be with that person to hold on to at night and to wake up next to. And until we get back to that, things are just going to get worse for everybody.
Ok pickmeisha
This woman does too.
Me too
Lol. You must like misogynists then. Good for you.....and by the way, you'll get loads of man points for your comments. There are lots of self-pitying, resentful, entitled incel type men here. They will love you whilst you agree with them, of course they will!
Honestly, Triggernometry has become the place where I hear the most interesting conversations. Great work guys!
I don't like this guy, I don't like the subtle sneer in his tone when legitimist issues woman face are brought up. Yes, men have problems but belittling women is no way to go about fixing them, it just harks back to old ingrained misogyny where men belittling woman and treating women's emotions and experiences as nothing was the norm (and still is in some cultures and subcultures). I honestly feel like this guy is laughing mockingly at women in subtext, and I couldn't finish the vid because the more I listened the more I wanted to punch his smug face.
I cant believe im saying it but i agree
I get the impression that you won't be happy with any speaker unless it's women's issues being discussed. You're part of the problem
@@corb5654 You don't know shit about me. I am very vocal about men's issues and matters of abuse against men (bias in courts, custodial issues, mental health issues, ect). I just refuse to tolerate men mocking women, just like I will call out women mocking men.
@@corb5654 Hostile assumptions of intent are part of the problem, Cor.
Before my mom passed away at the age of 77 a few years ago, she often told me that she feels sorry for the men of today because no matter what they say or do it's wrong. And when they don't say anything or do anything it's wrong. She was a part of the second wave feminism in the 60's/70's but never called it that. She didn't burn her bra or ever say anything horrible about men as a collective other than they can be stupid sometimes. She didn't follow in the footsteps of her own mother by getting married young and having 5 kids. She got married at age 27 and had me aged 30. After 6 months of being at home with me she went back to work as she couldn't stand baby talk all day. She was criticised at the time by other women for her choices. She worked her way up through her jobs and yes she had some sexist bosses along the way but she kept going. By the time my parents retired in the late 90's from the same company she was earning loads more than my dad and he had been there longer. They saw their marriage as a partnership and all the money went into the same pot. My dad was always proud of my mom for doing what she did. Thankfully I up grew knowing that you can't tar men with this horrible brush because of the actions of a few. Women can be just as horrible but in different ways. All of these young women who blame men for their failures or why they don't get ahead in life are full of shit. My mom had loads of barriers ahead of her when she entered the workforce but she kicked them down one by one off her own back.
I have been saying since the 1970’s we men and women need to work together. Its the only way forward. Patriarchy does not work nor does matriarchy.
Please tell that to feminists.
Well you could do that no one ever listens to me 😂
There are so many chameleon women claiming now that they have always been on the side of "men and women" but look at what you wrote "Patriarchy does not work nor does matriarchy." Patriarchy is an invented feminist term for traditional society and "matriarchy" has never been tried in the west. Men and women worked together since the dawn of time until 2nd wave feminism in the 1970's, that's the "patriarchy" that you say "doesn't work".
Your statement is meaningless, just an excuse. You're saying you aren't responsible for what has happened throughout your lifetime, just like every single woman.
Jorge Garcia no idea what you are trying to say. All I said in a nutshell. Men and women need to stop fighting each other and work together. Its quite simple really a primary school kid would understand that.
@@lindal.w.7787 If the feminists won't stop attacking men, what is the point? If one side only stops, they'll be worse and worse off.
I am female, pure female, and i liked this video a good deal. Oh sure i've got angry and offended even resentful at times but that's all part of my growth. Women have lost a power that's not only of this world, BUT likely men have too. I think Peter spoke very comprehensively well. Both sexes have lost their ART of their gender. Too focussed on sex rather than gender which is the fuller picture. I'm 71 and an Australian gentlewoman. Thank you Francis and Konstantin.
I agree with a lot of what he said but he also comes across as someone that is a little immature and with a chip on his shoulder. I would really love to see some conscious people talking about this. In Tantra, we learn about the Divine Masculine and the Divine Feminine and how we all have those two energies within us, no matter our gender. When you start to learn about energy (we are all energy) in this way this whole debate starts to make a lot more sense. When we just pitch men against women and vice versa, it just creates more of a divide and that is really just getting so boring now. We need to come together and support each other, stop fighting each other. I love men so much, I love my sisters too! We should all be able to come together and have a mature conversation about these things by now. Return to love. Stop the divide.
Stef Wild If the man sounded like he has a chip on his shoulder, I would suggest looking up videos of some of the women who also discuss these issues - Karen Straughan, Janice Fiamengo, Bettina Ardnt, Helen Smith, Christina Hoff Sommers factual feminist videos are a great start, they are usually under five minutes. I had no idea how oppressed men were until I saw The Red Pill. I hate all the division.
@@anneb889 I totally understand this perspective of yours and I've definitely seen women with chips on their shoulders as well. The immature feminine, attracts the immature masculine. What I'm saying is that I would like to see mature people having healthy conversations around this topic. Immature feminine and masculine energy generally doesn't have the best solutions that unite us in love. It's time for the divine masculine and divine feminine to start coming through. People need to go through big transformations in order to achieve this, this includes processing their traumas, unprocessed emotions, healing. It's not an easy journey, but who we become afterwards holds solutions for both masculine and feminine to come together in Divine Unity.
Stef Wild The mature men got silenced by the feminist. Look up Warren Farrell, who was a feminist, only man on the board of NOW I believe. In the 70s or early 80s, he started pushing back a little bit with some of the feminist agenda.....remember the husbands, fathers, and boys, we don’t want to alienate them from their kids, and pushing back on the wage gap, etc. He was essentially excommunicated. This is one of the most educated people on feminism, and one of the most mild manner men you will ever hear, and he was treated like a leper because he didn’t agree with everything feminism was pushing. I think if you go back pre 24/7 news you can find some more rational, agree to disagree type discussions, but in this sound bite, Twitter mob world, it’s very hard for adults to have in depth discussions and solutions to anything. Look at how race relations are going.....imo we are going backwards. The sad part is, it’s the extremes that push everything. The rational people, the majority of people, they don’t have time to always be thinking about all the “isms” and to have these discussions, they are busy working, raising kids, running errands, etc. I am glad I have found podcasts such as these, the women I named above, etc, to remind me that there are rational people, there are still people that look at facts and data. We are not totally to 2+2=5 world yet.....but I worry it could be coming.
Freud & Mason also embrace the masculine & feminine to reach axis of true potential. The fullness of the King. I find this guy a little immature & poorly read. Beta male.
@@THOMASCOLTON1 Oh I haven't heard of Freud and Mason, I'll look them up. Thank you for your comment! I agree with you.
anybody seriously interested in this subject should read King Warrior Magician Lover, by Robert Moore. I was stunned (and healed of years of bafflement from my feminist upbringing) by his opening statements in the introduction - He says thats what the world needs is not less, but more male energy. He then qualifies this by explaining that what feminists have never worked out is that 'patriarchy' is young boy energy - childish, tyrannical etc etc. But true masculinity is King energy - strong, benevolent, stable, wise, discerning, powerful etc. It makes a lot of sense. Men will only be able to grow up into kings (benevolent ones, not 'highchair tyrants') when true masculinity is valued. Same as women will only be able to embrace womanhood when its core energies are fully embodied and accepted. So long as male energy is denigrated, the majority will not be able to mature into benevolent, strong, wise leaders.
I agree, that is a great point, and also think the same is true about the feminine, in that although it is common to say that there is now an imbalance towards feminine energy, I think what there is is an overabundance of shadow feminine energy, which is also being expressed by many men, i.e. overemotional, bitchy and playing victim, but a distinct lack of the mature wise feminine, as embodied by older women who have been disparaged into irrelevance as they fall outside the sexual market in a sex/youth obsessed culture. I see that changing a bit now though. I actually think the current war between the sexes is more due to both men and women being unhappy and confused as to their roles due to rapid and not always positve changes in society and the resulting broken relational patterns, and erroneously identifying the opposite sex as the source of all their misery (I'm sure we have always been partly responsible for each other's misery :)). Men and women operate both as a polarity and a tandem in society, they are never really separate, an imbalance in one group will inevitably always impact the other.
@@astraea9644 beautifully put!
That sounds sensible, in theory. But if I look at Muslim societies, where I don't see masculine energy being denigrated like it is in the west, patriarchy is still rampant, and far more tyrannical than in the west. So I ultimately don't know what would have to happen to achieve a society with these type of kingly male leaders that this author envisions.
@@Wandering.Homebody I would say the masculine energy within fundamental Islam (and many other fundamental iterations of religions to boot) are the very archetypes of the 'High chair Tyrant'. What is needed is deep self reflection, taking responsibility and coming to terms with our own pain, a moral compass not reliant on dogma, openness to others differences, but confidence in ones view. Perhaps something like what Jordan Peterson envisions. and BTW I believe these qualities are what literally everyone in the world needs; male, female, black, white, gay, straight, trans. Instead of various movements blaming 'the other' we all need to own our own pain. Only then, can we finally become adults.
@@jaspergoodall3206 I couldn't agree more.
Not entirely with him on the domestic violence thing and the charity Women’s Aid. In pre-pandemic times two women on average are killed a week by men in the U.K. (it’s been higher over the pandemic). Agree violence against men is wrong, of course, but women are at far higher risk of death. So women’s charities to support DV victims are essential. I think charities to support male victims of DV are necessary as well. We need to stop laughing about men getting abused by their female partner. Charities should also be audited.
There’s a constant conflation of masculinity and men. Masculinity doesn’t mean man. Women have masculine energy. And I think that recognition would assist the conversation, because it would hold women to account for their relationship with their own masculinity, rather than pinpointing just men as the sole source of the problem. And the same goes for men and their relationship with their own femininity.
I am a woman and I have no idea what feminists are about
Clare M Modern day feminists aren’t, sweetie.
@@clarem3660 No. Suffragettes gained the voté for women. And if men had not supported that right and the right of women to own properly, we would not have that right now and I do not support abortion, so I will not discuss it. And, please do not call me "sweetie"
People that called themselves the same name as us once did good things, ergo we must still be doing good things. No group ever becomes corrupted, or turns into what they were originally fighting. Genius.
@@ComicGladiator Somewhere, Nietzsche is laughing.
F L no that was the suffragists but the suffragists took credit and they push men to die in wars by giving them a white feather as a sign of cowardice.
I am an American female military veteran. I absolutely agree that we women will need uncompromising equality to wake us up - I am so tired of many females demanding "equality" and then at the first sign of distress, discomfort, or disillusionment, they want to offer up the excuse that the standards are unfair because they're women. Oh, by the way...I ADORE my husband!
I freaking love this guy! 🤣 As much as I'm on the internet in general and YT in particular, why have I never heard of this absolute LEGEND before now!?
This guy is a little all over the place. This whole conversation is also 5 to 10 years late.
My brother has taken his ex to court 3 times to have some access to his then 5 yr old girl, costing him 800 pounds each time, he's on 10 pound an hour & had to save up for each attempt at some access, his ex simply didn't turn up to any court dates, the judge would have letters sent to her warning of arrest & possible imprisonment if she did not comply, the outcome? nothing, she doesn't turn up, not even once. He has given up, he does not want his daughter seeing her mother arrested & he can't cope with the emotional trauma of it all. He hasn't seen her for 7 yrs now, Equality??
I feel his pain. The problem is that for many men in Family Court they have to prove their suitability for access, where for the mother sole custody is assumed. Family Court is a money trap for fathers who have to pay thousands in order undo the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude to access. Family Court should be A: Free and B: focussed on preserving access of both parents where the parent who wishes to restrict access has to prove it. Not the parent who wants to preserve it.
The "I don't want a fight" is exactly the passivity that feminism has been taking advantage of for decades. Men need to be encouraged to be ultra independent and treat women as an add on to a happy, successful life rather than central to it.
@Diana Green If both sexes lived that way equally, still only one would be able to procreate as and when they choose. Men essentially have to persuade a woman to procreate with him and women tend to leverage this power for security and resources (hypergamy). The only thing which can bring true equality is freely available artificial wombs.
@Diana Green Which is exactly why men should live their best life instead of putting women first in order to get access to it. It's happening, get used to it....
A family member works for a very large tech company he is a recruitment guru and trouble shooter , frequently asked in fact compelled to fulfil diversity quotas whilst selecting interview candidates , when these candidates get interviewed those on the lists to fulfil diversity are not qualified or don’t have the right experience , this is simply because fewer women train and graduate in tech . Nothing to do with the patriarchy.
Great interview as usual. PLEASE get Camille Paglia on - she seems to have disappeared from the public eye, but has the broadest and most interesting views.
Ugh, she wrote a book justifying paedophilia. Why on earth wld men (especially when men make up the overwhelming majority of paedo's) want to listen to a paedophile supporter?!?!
Love her
She's fucking amazing
The issues with feminism is critical race theory. He really needs to read the wonder British lady Helen pluckrose. Or the two guys she did the grievance papers with. James Lindsay and Peter bogosian.
Here here. Critical Theory in general needs to be outlawed and those pushing it nailed for Crimes Against Humanity.
James Lindsay's presentations on RUclips are essential viewing.
This includes power.
MsChitterchat that’s a given. Power is all they want. The belief system is pure ideological race theory
My biological father left the scene when I was 9 months old. He told my mother he didn't want to be a dad, he wasn't ready to be a dad. Mind you, he was addicted to all sorts of drugs and he went out and drank and partied all night, mom said it just wasn't a good place to raise a child so she said "alright" so they split up. When I was 4 or 5, we moved in with my mother's parents because my grandfather had his first triple bypass, mind you he had another sometime after. So because grandma was working full-time and grandpa needed constant care, that's what she did. We picked up from fairfax, va and moved to alexandria, va with be with my grandparents. My grandfather became my kinda surrogate dad. I idolized that man, he was a police chief in NC, come to VA started building houses, put my grandmother through school so she could work, he worked hard for the family. He was the family patriarch, everyone looked up to him. When I was 15 my mom remarried to my step dad, and some years later I lost my grandfather. I was...heartbroken beyond words, the last time I spoke to him I told him I was getting a promotion at my job and he said he was proud of me. I'll never forget the smile in his voice when he said it. It hurts still you know? That he's gone, he use to call me his "little shadow" because I wanted to be with him everywhere.
Now my step dad is dying, and I'm losing another father figure. Ex-Military fought in a couple wars, he was an MP, a Sargent, served his country for nearly 30 years. He has so many awards it'd take a whole room to put them all up. He's a force to be reckoned with...he's loud, angry, and he bulldozes everyone but he loves my mother and me. Now we're losing him. I dunno where I'd be without these two men honestly, I can't even imagine it.
So when I hear women say terrible things like "men are emotionless" I want to strangle them, or beat them with a bat it makes me so very angry inside that they insult the memory of my late grandfather and insult the man my father is and now, they insult my boyfriend who is a good, hardworking, and decent man. I cannot, and will not accept them shitting all over the men I care about.
Honestly, when i hear women say "Men are emotionless" i just freeze because idk what to say.. How do these women view their own fathers? At least, we can just tell these women to get out of our faces, imagine being the father of these girls.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் i couldn't even imagine being a father to any of these girls. Or perhaps they did not have strong and supportive father figures to challenge them?
The mind boogles, truly it does.
Perhaps, they have watched too much of their mothers treating men poorly then the subsequent fall out from their mother's abuses.
I'm a huge fan of Mr. Lloyd and I'm female. I've read _Stand By Your Manhood_ several times - I know it wasn't written for me, but it's nice to get a dose of reality after a day of idiotic comments. Everything he says is 100% true. People may find it annoying to hear, but the truth often is. I would advise everyone to go buy his book and show him all the support you can. We need more voices like him.
to the point where im sick of this narrative of whenever there's a male suicide the general message pushed is 'if only he were able to talk about his feelings' rather than actually looking at the reason he emotionally sunk so low in the first place.
Not to mention when men do try to talk about their feelings and their problems I've noticed for the most part it either gets dismissed, or listened to on a superficial merit only, or if it's not the right narrative they're expressing so who cares?
Suicide is of course a massive overreaction to any situation, but mainstream culture don't want to talk about the primary factors driving the suicide epidemic.
@@KSRugby Oh totally. Women may constantly whine, "It's okay to express your feelings", but they're only happy for men to do this if they're feelings that women agree with. If they're not, suddenly it's "Man up", "What a crybaby" etc.. I've literally seen debate shows where the female speakers would scoff if anyone tried to address the rising number of male suicides. They're so full of it. They don't care about male feelings at all, they only care about agendas.
@@LinxFraulein here I've had it put to me that I have a vile opinion on suicide because I think that suicide is a massive overreaction to any problem. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem, and the messages of 'its ok not to be ok' and 'talking about your feelings' are not enough when it comes to addressing the issue.
It sickens me the way suicide is being de-stigmatised and how we mostly seem to be only nice to people after it's too late.
the pain of someone committing suicide doesn't go away, it gets passed onto others.
if you are going to have a debate about this topic please can it be done by a man who actually likes women?
Why? The other side always puts forward women who hate men.
@@talosgb8037 that's not right either
Are the women who complain about the harassment of being cat-called the same women who complain about becoming 'invisible' at a certain age?
Some women might, but what most actually mean is something else. I'm not yet middle aged, but I've already seen how many older women disappear from TV whilst they keep on they greying old male TV presenters until they are practically wizards. Many women feel that unless you are sexually attractive to men, you might as well be invisible. You could say that everyone likes attractive people but I think as women feel it more by spoken down to, you are looked past and they don't take you seriously. Many men still view women through a purely sexual lens, and that means that once you are past your prime (which could mean older than 25 - 30), you are seen as a has-been. I have seen this in my own life.
@@RedArtistx Yes sure, but turn it around. Do you think the 'distinguished' older men that keep their presenter jobs are there just because they are taken more seriously? Women contribute to the dynamic as well because women continue to be attracted to men as they age. As for men and younger women, this is biological. True, looks doesn't count as much for male presenters, but when looks are a factor, men get a huge boost from women. In entertainment, Sean Connery, Tom Jones, Tom Selleck are obvious examples. In this particular way, evolution favours men, but evolution favours women in other ways. Getting to stay home while the men disappear, literally, in a war zone is one. This is not to claim a determinism about gender roles etc. Just that much of what we perceive as unfairness cannot be attributed to a 'system'' of unfairness caused by one side.
I have become increasingly concerned with the negative rhetoric about masculinity that has become prevalent over the past decade. I want my son to feel pride and be encouraged to become an upright, productive and happy member of his community. This is why I chose to listen to the podcast. However, I did not like this speaker. On the whole I found his views every bit as worrying as the ranting of radical feminists. I didn't hear suggestions that would deescalate the gender divide but a tit-for-tat griping that ensures neither side is receptive to listening to each other. Men have legitimate concerns and can behave badly, women have issues specific to their gender and can be awful. Together we must find ways to address the problems while minimising the worst excesses of human nature and accept each other as the imperfect but well intentioned individuals that we generally are. Anything else leads to dysfunction, loneliness and bitterness. I do not believe masculinity is toxic and I do not believe women as a group want to harm their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons.
'Toxic Masculinity' is a term coined by Shepard Bliss. A MAN. It referred to the militaristic, authoritarian masculinity behaviour exhibited by HIS brutal father. It is NOT a term created by women or Feminism.
1970's not 1960's were when women were allowed to get a mortgage on their own. Women only got the vote in Switzerland in 1971.
Yes, things are not perfect and is a work in progress. Tearing down the other gender is not a solution.
@woke I am Tommy Do men now? Look at what women were allowed to do as they were granted permission by men to do in the wars. They didn't campaign not to fight. They didn't have a choice because the men in charge kept it that way. The Kurdish women these days do fight and are allowed to fight.
Ricky Gervais used to be much funnier than this.
Ricky Gervais was never this funny, and still isn't :-)
Hah!
His Michael MacIntyre impression isn't that good either
I thought that! 😂but you said it first. 💚
He's Ricky Gervais lite
Just so you know... Real women aren't modern feminists. And we love our masculine counterparts.
We need more conversations like this. So truthful and open, recognising the differences between Men & Women. The current MSM narrative still doesn't allow for this in defiance of virtually every study on the subject.
Young moms screw up. Pick the wrong man sometimes, but I truly believe that we (I’m American, but I mean all of us) should be telling our kids as a culture to CHOOSE WISELY YOUR MEN BEFORE CHILDREN!!! That’s my message. I was lucky and my kids are okay, but my kids are NOT the norm. Know that women can do it when they must, but SHOULDN’T. Women need to do better.
So you’re blaming women for men being shit? Do you think they just choose a bad shitty narc man just for the hell of it? Just for the giggle? To have an unstable relationship on purpose?
Think about this. You’re expecting women to have a crystal ball. You’re ridiculous and ignorant
Melanie H well some do believing they can change or can change them. Women have more reproductive options and therefore should have responsibilities. Still men should also take responsibility for their decisions.
so no responsibility for men, every man on this comment section are whining about how hard they have it but then shurk responsibility for themselves and the offspring they create
@@1986kerrichinchilla Actually there is responsibility for men as they are obligated to pay for child support with little to no visitation rights and less chances of having full child custody. Plus women have more reproductive rights as in they can abort, adopt, parent or abandon the child and have more contraceptives options. Men on the other hand don't.
@@MmmMulholland Only you are responsible for the men you let into your life, and the men you choose to have children with. No one forced these men on you, you picked them. Part of adulthood is learning to take responsibility for our choices in life. Unless you prefer to go back to the days when fathers vetted and picked husbands for thier daughters. At least that way if the man turns how to be terrible we can hold the father who choose that man for his daughter accountable.
In Israel they have a hotline for men to help prevent them from doing something they may regret. What's also overlooked is how women can goad men & then steps back & says I did nothing
If you're interested Bettina Arndt has a YT channel that may interest you. You'd fit right in there.
Because I Count WTF are you talking about? Goad men?
@@richardwilliams3308 Stop being disingenuous.
Comic Gladiator its pathetic. Goad men. What a snowflake. Boo hoo I was teased by a woman.
@@richardwilliams3308 virgin eh?
Men aren’t the only ones in a “civil war”...women have been in one for years. Us men and women who honor our common humanity, celebrate our different strengths, and support each other in our distinct weaknesses, need to join in ending the toxicity and making the world a better place for ALL OF US.
We have three sons in their early to mid twenties, and none have any interest in marrying a woman and settling down with kids, etc. They have a deep suspicion and borderline contempt for women their own age, not from us (they love and respect their mum), but from their own experiences with girls and the school system, etc. They're happy to 'make-use' of the available women, but step back and get on with their solo pursuits. They can see no benefit in a relationship and marriage.
Love this guy, he triggers many so-called comedian Feminists. 😂
The way he bitchslapped Kate Smugweight on sky news was just hilarious
Benefits and burdens on either side. Perfectly put.
I'm so happy you had Peter on your show! He's such a good guy!
I am a woman and I believe that women and men should work together not get rid of the male population.
The same way we don't tell women how to be feminine I think they should also not tell men how to be masculine
vineeth ram Hmm but boys and young males definitely need more guidance for personal responsibility, self discipline - aggression - learning how to channel and manage that. Guidance on having goals and valuing fatherhood. Women require guidance too but generally women seem to naturally more able to figure things out on their own, possibly because of maternal instinct.
So is that about telling males how to be masculine?
it's not that complicated!
@@MsChitterchat He didn't say nobody should tell them how to be masculine, just that it shouldn't be women. At least not while we are not allowed to tell women how to be women (because otherwise its a double standard).
This guy's are so on the spot
30 minutes in, women have an ability to talk that men lack ? Really, half the pub brawls I've been in are down to a woman mouthing off safe in the knowledge that when it all kicks off she can stand back and watch.
Professor Janice Fiamengo is standing up for me - she has many RUclips vids
Janice is fantastic love her
@@matthewrobson1747 lol I meant to write for men not me, but I'm glad you got the gist :D
Karen Straughan and the Honey Badgers are my spirit animals...
Janice Fiamengo is a legend
@@raypatson8775 she is
I agree that feminism has gone off the deep end and that there are a few things that ought to be addressed as far as men’s rights. I also am very tired of hearing about “toxic masculinity.” I want to turn towards positive masculinity. I don’t think this guy is it though. What a creep.
Konstantin and Francis are much better examples of what men should aim to be. Jordan Peterson is hopefully a beginning towards a positive understanding. This guy is just distasteful.
I agree. His arguments are really hyperbolic, without specific examples. I agree that modern feminism is rubbish, but the fact that grooming gangs were discussed as a failure of feminism, rather than proof that large scale male violence against women is still a fact of life in the UK is a bit much.
Konstantin is totally on point this interview.
Yes I thought this was extremely well handled by both of them
Konstantin has a great mind, well beyond his years. He reminds me of a young Englebert Humperdink.
Peter sought to fight fire with fire and his solution would further the battle and force all women into literal war. I am glad that Konstantin and Francis recognized this ill fated solution. Not all women are feminists.
I didn’t know how much the system can be against men. We need more conversations surrounding male issues in all areas like health, law, domestics, employment etc
BBC publicly and openly discriminates against men. Quotas for women and non whites.
j h wow I did not know this, I guess defunding them sounds like a good plan. Any form of discrimination is downright wrong!
One of the worst things to ask a man intimately: "is it in?"
One of the worst things he can say back: "I can't tell"
It is mentioned here about the effect of becoming a mother and the effect that has on her. Often overlooked is a similar effect on becoming a father. This has been scientifically proven. The societal effect of becoming a father is that he now has an unshakeable drive to provide for his family. This is now viewed as men abdicating their responsibility as a father but this is not the case. The “primary carer” role is complemented by the “primary breadwinner”. When Family Court gets involved they view this as the status quo and this is their position. Once the family unit is effectively dissolved by divorce, those roles are combined into the roles that both single mothers and fathers now need to provide financially and give care to their children’s albeit separately. There’s no recognition of that in the Family Court or in society. As the breadwinner you remain as such - hence child support and this limits options for access as you must continue to earn to support a family that is no longer there. There’s no equality here. None.
I don't know about Konstantin‘s comment about men, women and compassion.
I like to think that I‘ve been compassionate towards other people and a bunch of other men have been been pretty compassionate to me and some very much so to my family.
So from my experience, men can be pretty compassionate.
In Australia we just had another child (9 months old) killed by a parent with known violent history. So 50/50 parental rights should not be provided to known violent people unless they have dealt with their problem.
It strikes me watching this interview how Human Society really is in a state of flux at the moment. We are all blaming each other for the way we think our lives are. Could the answer be as simple as learning to treat each other, and ourselves, with respect do you think? Just a thought
Women over 30 who had property could vote, which was only 2/3 of the female population and this happened in 1918. The war ended in 1919. No it wasn't easy for men and class was the major proponent of this but it was men at the top who constructed this.
That said I have had enough of the whole fourth wave feminist movement. It's separatist and divisive.
Mataform it was the 1914-1918. Due to how the women worked during the war, the gvt had no choice but to give women the vote. To make it difficult, only women 30yrs & older could vote. This was a spiteful move as to be older, a spinster was not popular so women had to wait until 1928 when all women over 21 yrs of age could vote. This was lowerd to 18 in 1969!
@@jeantaylor6318 if fairness as was alluded to in the video most men in ww1 did not have the vote, millions of men died in ww1, when the overall population was significantly lower in UK, the voting age difference was motivated largely by that. Sexist probably but not inheritantly spiteful as it was a very new move to give voting rights to so many new people.
@@jeantaylor6318 Formal ending of the war was June 28 with the treaty of Versailles.
I am man and i am going to live the way i want to, not the way someone tells me to .
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People saying "oh that's not feminism"... are ignorant self serving hypocrites .
it's all gone down a selective narrative.
Like men are encouraged to talk about their feelings by feminists, yet when their feelings are about topics relating to job losses, divorce settlements, abuse or feeling inadequate because they're told 'white men are the problem' then their feelings don't matter.
Speak up, but only speak up if your feelings agree with us.
@@KSRugby Men are really only encouraged to talk about things focused on a self characterizing trope that describes their problems as coming from problematic character traits. It's only in the interest the same narcissistic feminists that spend the rest of their energy talking about how privileged men are.
We all laughed at The Two Ronnies serial "The Worm That Turned." back in the '80s, but we are getting closer and closer to that twisted world.
The 50s was an anomaly in history. Through most of history woman worked. It was a time when children didn't really know their absent father's and many of the boys didn't want to grow up like their over worked father's either. And valium became known widely as 'mothers little helper'. The 50s caused the 60s to occurr.... because many young men and many young women required more flexibility than the rigid steriotypes of the 50s or the Victorian era.
I used to wish Feminists would remember that Men were also sometimes referred to as their sons instead of just the sperm donor. But I eventually realised that wishing was for dreamers and also realised that I didn't really care what a Feminist thinks about anything any more.
If you're a self described Feminist in this day and age; which means that you think that in an age where each and every job that is available with high pay and high benefits and comes with an air conditioned office is yours for the taking and you still think you're oppressed well then I don't really give a damn what you think. Go kick rocks.
I usually love these conversations but this guy just doesn't know what he's talking about.
For one he can't even define feminism, yet has a problem with it. The examples he's given of what he perceives to be feminism or feminists just aren't true. No true feminist gives a shit about men's clubs and we absolutely DO care about female oppression in the Middle East and the grooming gangs in the UK. He's using individual examples to generalise what feminism is, whilst simultaneously saying he doesn't actually know what it is. Those few examples (complaining about men's clubs etc) highlights the issue with Liberal woke-ism, not feminism.
FFS. Feminists can't even agree on what feminism is.
Also look up the No True Scotsman fallacy.
I'm a woman. I love men. Apart from the farting and the drunken singing. They're just better at it.
Masculinity is great , masculine without being a brute. sometimes my gender disgusts me, women in western countries have a lot of freedom and we should be glad . But we are one side of a coin we need men, men with purpose, men who enjoy being with us and who are respectful and love us.
Spot on regarding priorities changing with motherhood, but nanny raising kids is not having it all. I stepped back from my career because I never was miserable away from the office as I am when away from my kids.
Thatcher had a family and children. She came from a working class backgrounds.
Lower middle class, really
She married a millionaire.
power corrupts.... absolute power corrupts absolutely...
I love this guy,even before he trolled Smufwaite to death on live TV.
I love that Konstantin is bringing the word 'retarded' back. You go, mate.
As a man living in Wales I've been assaulted by strangers (often in groups) without any provocation. None of my many female friends can recognise this as it's never happened to them. And on top of that I have received sexual abuse from both men and women. This idea that these things only happen to women is bs. We just don't talk about it as much.
but who assaulted you? the assaulters are usually male. it's a statistical fact. toxic masculinity hurts men too.
Men do get attacked FOR NO reasons,, but usually by other men,, NOT.. WOMEN.
Another thing. I've been really close to lose my home and it has to do with a chronic diseases I got when I was 22. (30 now) Worst case option would be to crash at the only friend I have (rest are people I kinda know) And at that point I was in a really bad way so in my head i'd rather spare my friend. After things kinda got better I read a lot on forums and the consensus seem to be that the majority of females have bigger social networks and if they don't, they can usually pay for a bed quite easily. That option is more or less not open to men and trust me.. scarring your soul is cheap compared to be on the streets.
So we are different. Brothers will fight, and dudes will insult and "poke" their male loved ones in a way most women don't seem to understand. We bond and show love by being playfully mean towards males we like. If this was face to face with you guys most guys would poke fun at me saying this. Many would call me a wuss or a faaaaaaag or something along those lines, and usually I just play along.
My husband and I had a good laugh watching this. Except for one or two interesting points made by the interviewee, the most poignant ideas were presented by the interviewers. That guy was a pompous ass and many of his references were out of context and/or obscure studies. Jordan P is a much better person to watch for a good men's rights conversation.
All the men in my family have been amazing I have seen my friends being with men who have been toxic and beat the living shit out of them. Your can't call all men toxic, it's insane. I love a masculine man, I don't want a woke idiot!
You guys are really amazing. Your guests are brilliant and the discourse is always spot on. Keep up the great work mates.
Damn right Masculinity isn’t toxic!😍😂
I feel offended. 🤣
Mumba Mumba 😂
In all fairness, it's called Toxic Masculinity which describes the effects of *specific* male characteristics in *relation*. It never meant that masculinity is toxic per se. Whoever says this, hasn't read even the Wikipedia page of that stuff.
reading the comment section says otherwise
@@dohlecarnett1866 You know Dohle, words have meaning. Now when you're finally discovered that fact, you can call yourself Columbus in front of your friends. .
Increasingly you HAVE to have two incomes to live!!
As a man I'm proud to be masculine, I want to protect, I like to feel strong, I like healthy competition as it pushes me to be better and I enjoy looking at an attractive woman. I also have some feminine traits like talking about how I feel, listening and empathising with people, also having deep meaningful conversations with people. You still see the ultra masculine guys but I do wonder how much of that is an act, as most people nowadays are more mixed in gender traits. Men talk about their feelings and are more open to being their true self, something you didn't see as much 20+ years ago.
Also most women I've come into contact with are just the average feminist, they just wanted equal rights, but I agree with the guest that the media does cast men in a bad light.
The next time a woman asks a man for help opening a jar or carrying something heavy he should just respond that would be toxic masculinity if I did that
Just listened to this on the podcast. It really needed a lot more pushback. Although he makes some fair points a lot of what he was saying was absolute bollocks and it stood out a mile.
It was great to see you poke your collective head's down this particular rabbit hole. I have watched Peter numerous times and he is refining his arguments and improving all the time. I mean no disrespect to him when I say he is not the best spokesperson for the 'manosphere' (BTW that isn't a thing, it was meant to be a sarcastic swipe at Feminism). No one who is a Men's Rights Activist (MRA) would use that word. I am not an MRA but I see the hypocrisy of the constant push from the Feminist lobby, their flagrant disregard of facts and their rewriting of History.
If you are interested to further explore this rabbit hole I would recommend:
'The Red Pill' a documentary film by Cassie Jaye (An award winning Feminist film maker).
Dr Donald Dutton (UBC Professor of Psychology, in his presentation to the Canadian Senate) a man who has spent his life dealing with and researching DV. Watch it here ruclips.net/video/9f5v1QgtFfo/видео.html
Or this, ruclips.net/video/lhDwzds-49s/видео.html a shortened version of MP Phillip Davies trying (in vain it would appear) to get other MP's to acknowledge the facts about the sentencing gap. If you want a laugh please listen to the questions asked of him, even though he has already given them the facts on the very cases they are trying to highlight. Please bear in mind this was after Lady Hale (President of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom from 2017 to 2020) said this www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/too-many-women-are-jailed-says-top-judge-argues-lady-hale-518161.html
Before I'm accused of 'misogyny' I was happily married to a wonderful woman for over thirty years, I have four Daughters and five Grandkids.
I taught them all
1. Take responsibility
2. Never be a victim
As KK so rightly says JBP is not saying anything new, he's just one of the few with a platform saying it at all now!!!!
The Red Pill is a fantastic film.
Also, there is a biological reason why women are slightly more invested in their children than fathers - because they know they are definitely genetically theirs! If parenting laws are slightly skewed in favour of mothers, this might be why.
He’s a lovely chap. I’d love to buy him a pint . It’s fucked he’s denied opportunities because he calls out feminist bullshit . 👊
BEST ending ever!!😂😂
A father is more likely to encourage a child to keep to an agreement for a reward, whereas a mother is more likely to give them a reward if they attempt the agreement. A father helps reinforce integrity and comitment
I love masculine men
Great interview, and great to see a new generation of young men finally pushing back. I would have raised the idea that feminism is actually a religion, with all the implications of that-the irrational beliefs, the tendency to become fundamentalist and proselytize others, etc.
You mean you want the incels to rise up? They tend to take out random people when they do that.
@@echoplexmedia Where did you see that in any of my comments?
And we wonder why men wake up and wish to identify as women.
Great discussion.
because they are entitled and want everything women have, they used to be able to just take, but now they have to wear dresses and make up and play pretend
I like this guy a lot. Makes good relevant points. That said. The talk WASN'T REALLY about masculinity but men as a sex in general. Very good interview tho.
"Men and Women need each other" YES ! The divide doesn't help any of us understand each other
I would love to know where all this toxic masculinity comes from? Men are raised by women and from K-12, 70% of teachers are women. Any ideas?
The best advice for boys is to stay away from girls and women.... the orange is no longer worth the squeeze.
Work on yourself, get a job, work hard, and make your life as comfortable as possible. get involved with women and everything you worked hard for is for naught.
Sad advice Roy. I've been happily married to my fantastic husband for 30 years. We have 4 boys and hope that we've given them a good example of plain, honest, hard-working marriage & parenting. It just takes loads of unselfish give & take 😊
@@lydiawalker-cox6881 What you"ve forgotten is that you're about a generation-and-a-halve out of sync with current culture.
You're dating experiences in no way compares to the current reality.
It's a little ironic that somebody leading the masculinity march is so camp!! (not suggesting that's a problem though!)
He is most likely gay and that’s why he’s pro-masculine. He has no need for women and has an underlying problem with us due to envy/competition to get other men.
Perhaps, @@MmmMulholland Although 4:48 might suggest otherwise!!
@@MmmMulholland so you are saying... that if somebody is in need for women (whatever you mean by this) he is not allowed to mention problems with injustice as far as they refer to men? And a person who is pro maculin must be gay? That's a ridiculous argument. Acutaly it's no argument, it's a childish try to split up solidarity, since now some men might think, they cannot confirm it without being called as gay. Puuuh - then all feminists are lesbian? Is it that you're saying?
@@raiklaub975 Not all feminists are lesbian but when it comes to the biggest activists and leaders within the movement there sure are a lot of them. The stereotype of the man hating lesbian feminist has some truth to it. Although there are some gay men in the current men's rights movement I wouldn't say the ratio is anywhere near as high.
@@LonelyCinderella123 you are right. But Melanie said, that he most likely is gay and THAT'S WHY he is pro masculine. And he "has a problem with us" (with 'us' she ment women). So she is making a causal connection with being gay and having problems with women and he only helds up the pro-masculine side because he is gay. First this is a rhetoric to ignore the fact that also the pro-masculine side can have valid arguments and to discredit the arguments from the beginning. Second the connection constructed as a causality is simply not true. Third the rhetoric is objectionable because it keeps people from speaking out because they are afraid of being mistaken for gay.
I'm with Konstantins view on this subject... Men & women should appreciate each others differences it starts with parenting. I'm a mother of a boy I'm proud of I'm teaching him to respect himself & others...
And please make sure that everybody respects him.
Im a female. And Im tired of this modern feminism.
Then you should check out 2nd wave feminism. Also, if you are totally done with feminism, maybe you should consider giving up your right to vote?
@@RedArtistx now that you reminded me, Ive never voted in my life.. so not sure what I need to give up here. What's the point of voting when there are only so many parties and they're just taking turns anyways