Looks like a mixed cross between several British steam loco's. It's a Duchess with a Britannia cab/rear truck and Royal Scot smoke deflectors, with French side valances added.
Yeah! That’s exactly what fooled me! The valances were an accessory too far. It doesn’t look like a typical French locomotive. Incidentally, French locomotives were seriously very good, and efficient. They had to be, because French coal was pretty awful.
They describe the design influences in the video description as a mix of Britannia and 9F. It was crashed in to a disused quarry about 7 or 8 Miles from my home in Derbyshire and no, I didn't see anything of it unfortunately....bonus was, I was a safe distance from Tom Cruise 🤣🤣🤣
This was cool to watch what a thriving steam community it seems. Been watching a lot of steam locomotive videos and yours came across my feed. It’s getting me psyched to go see the amazing 4014 “Big Boy” here in the US this July 2024.
The mock up of the derailed GW 0-4-2 running thro' the streets in the film (that I saw on first general release) of the Titfield Thunderbolt was impressive enough.
On the side of the locomotive it says "le general rive reine". In 1964 john frankenhiemer directed a movie called the train. About a german war colonel in 1944 who stole art from paris to sell for a new panzer division. Majority of that movie filmed on a abandoned stretch of normady the town name was rive-reine wonder if there is any relation between the two movies
@@RailView_YT I caught the cross reference too. An awesome movie, a very good use of two hours of anyone's time. It was the last full feature movie shot in black and white. So much info available about that film, far too much to share here. Check it out, you won't be disappointed.
The "Le General" part of the name is probably a reference to Buster Keaton's "The General", which like John Frankenheimer's "The Train" also featured amazing railway stunts done with actual locomotive and rolling stock. Combining it with "Rive Reine" basically makes it a double homage to two great films.
Filming the Disney movie "The Lone Ranger" in 2012, we had 3 "steam locomotives", all made by Special Effects Department. 1 did not move, 1 was shoved around by a diesel electric switch engine, and one was powered by 2 Cummins 900 hp diesel engines in the tender, driving hydraulic pumps, which ran hydraulic motors on the tender wheels. Just like a Hornby HO model steam locomotive. None of the people in the train department thought it would work, but, what did we know? Well, it performed so poorly, I christened it the "Jokeomotive", and the director started calling it "my very expensive paperweight". Long story short...The MI 7 prop is not the first life sized tender powered engine.
Ah man reading the title i thought that it arrived today, although not sure how considering it drove off a cliff but I guess I thought it was another one. I would've visited to go and see it. Ah well great footage.
I didn't read the description, have not fully grasped this is a movie prop (although it does mention Mission Impossible in the title, fair enough). So I'm watching this video, thinking how nice it is when people save old locomotives and restore them to look this nice, and then at the end I read "the locomotive was launched off of the cliff" O_O. In the first moment I was still thinking, yeah sure they're launching this locomotive after the reconstruction was finished, clearly. As in, launching a ship. The "off of the cliff" part took a moment to sink in :D
This sure was interesting to watch. Reminds me of the behind of the scenes video on the train scene for this movie and how they made the passenger cars just like this engine that went off a cliff.
In a city - Santos Dumont, where the aircraft inventor was born - about 50 Km near of mine is a totally restored Baldwin loco but even for visitation is now forbidden...
I love how the numbering copies the style of the French steam locomotive on a British style locomotive, and with the wheel number and not the axle number like the SNCF does. By french standard, a 462 engine would be massive.
Fascinating video thank you. All that money for a superb mongrel locomotive which actually 'worked' in its short life. Shame to scrap all that hard work.
This is a similar "prop" loco like they built for the movie..Murdet on the Orient Express, which is now a lovely restaurant with the coaches up in Bassenthwaite...well wort a visit
That loco is one hell of a weight to pull for a modestly sized 1940s tractor with a 2 1/2 litre four cylinder lump and a mere 30 or so horse power. I'm not surprised it was spinning the back wheels.
I was waiting for all seven loco’s to be unloaded from trucks to the GCR and that it must have been a difficult job to organise getting them there in a convoy from different parts of the UK. After I watched the video, I realised and re read the headline. I added an ‘s’ to loco! 🤪🤦♂️🤣
@@JD0G69 Going by Box Office Mojo: The film had a budget of $291 (which included making and destroying this prop). It grossed $370m so far worldwide, but do note that this does not account for the box office's share of tickets which internationally can be 50% or higher. Further, the golden rule in cinema is that you need roughly 2.5x your budget to account for marketing and miscellaneous costs to break even. As a result, it made $370m gross profit so far and needed something like $725m to break even. Bear in mind, that's just break even - to actually be considered profitable you need to make way more than that, realistically at least $1b. It made the money back on making this train prop, but it seems to have been a waste of time and money when it looks to be a flop. xD
Edit: was this before they threw it off a bridge? if so its a shame if this is old footage as she is beautiful for a mutt loco of many types of original locomotives Edit 2: Nevermind! should have made a mock version and kept the original because while it be expensive it would have been awesome to see if this design had any potential as a real locomotive.
I wonder why they made a British Railways loco when the film was supposed to in Europe, could it be because a continental loco would be too big for our loading gauge and a smaller scale replica would not look right.
Cedarcam, Its a good question. I guess building a full sized French loco in the UK from plans would have been a greater challenge than basing it on a loco that many engineers would be familiar with. No doubt the producers chose the UK because of its strong steam engineering tradition and ready availability of heritage railways to film the other scenes in the movie. The English language and US movie production companies having a studio presence near London would also have helped.
So given that this is a full size mock up and so could have been made to look like anything, why did they make something that looks like a Britannia with bits on to make it look foreign?
I would really like to know more details about how they built that machine. It took special machines and equipment back in the day. Foundrys for the hugh castings, and none of that exists anymore. And the people who biult the originals are long dead and gone too. If it truly is a mockup, im dumfounded. Even if they had the help of railroad historians, i cant see how they could of biult it!
È bom ver que essas maquinas em alguns lugares do mundo ainda estão em uso em memoria de uma historia que ser contada por elas mesmas com existencia neste seculo presente.
Please note:
For this wanting to know details on this loco, please read the description.
A real tender driven loco..... life imitating art 😊
Great video, and a nice bonus seeing the David Brown tractor. :3
Thank you very much! :)
Cameron
Looks like a mixed cross between several British steam loco's. It's a Duchess with a Britannia cab/rear truck and Royal Scot smoke deflectors, with French side valances added.
Yeah! That’s exactly what fooled me! The valances were an accessory too far. It doesn’t look like a typical French locomotive. Incidentally, French locomotives were seriously very good, and efficient. They had to be, because French coal was pretty awful.
I'm pretty sure it's just a Britannia with side valances and different snooker deflectors
They describe the design influences in the video description as a mix of Britannia and 9F. It was crashed in to a disused quarry about 7 or 8 Miles from my home in Derbyshire and no, I didn't see anything of it unfortunately....bonus was, I was a safe distance from Tom Cruise 🤣🤣🤣
@@joshtoth-thomas5847 It is. It has the linkage on the left hand side of the boiler for the regulator which Duchesses never had.
This was cool to watch what a thriving steam community it seems. Been watching a lot of steam locomotive videos and yours came across my feed. It’s getting me psyched to go see the amazing 4014 “Big Boy” here in the US this July 2024.
I simply love that David Brown tractor.They had the Hillman/Humber motor.
Very nice video! Thumbs up 👍and best greetings
Thank you very much! :)
Cameron
Rive - Reine is one of the stations detailed in the 1964 film The Train starring Burt Lancaster.
I noticed that also! -
Such a great movie!
My best friend, that's a great video. I will always cheer for you in Korea I'm looking forward to a great video. Have a nice day.
My best friend, It's always great. Your video is excellent quality. We liked and enjoyed to the end. Thanks
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it! :)
Cameron
The mock up of the derailed GW 0-4-2 running thro' the streets in the film (that I saw on first general release) of the Titfield Thunderbolt was impressive enough.
On the side of the locomotive it says "le general rive reine". In 1964 john frankenhiemer directed a movie called the train. About a german war colonel in 1944 who stole art from paris to sell for a new panzer division. Majority of that movie filmed on a abandoned stretch of normady the town name was rive-reine wonder if there is any relation between the two movies
That's some great facts right there! Thanks for sharing :)
Cameron
@@RailView_YT I caught the cross reference too. An awesome movie, a very good use of two hours of anyone's time. It was the last full feature movie shot in black and white. So much info available about that film, far too much to share here. Check it out, you won't be disappointed.
Can fully recommend the film _The Train_ with an excellent Burt Lancaster. Didn't spot the name connection though. Nice one.
Very well spotted ! There must be some sort of historical cinematic connection - hommage to John Frankenheimer perhaps ?
The "Le General" part of the name is probably a reference to Buster Keaton's "The General", which like John Frankenheimer's "The Train" also featured amazing railway stunts done with actual locomotive and rolling stock. Combining it with "Rive Reine" basically makes it a double homage to two great films.
Amazing to see this loco being transported on a trailer with wheels . .
It always makes me sad to know that it was only built to be destroyed!
better than destroying a real one!
Yes! What a waste of money, effort and enthusiasm!
@@DandamanV Destroying no one would be the best. For any silly movie.
Its just a non working replica. We have working ones thankfully, and steam locomotives are still being built by enthusiasts in England.
A beautiful and brave tractor indeed!
Nice video, LIKE😄
Thank you! :)
Cameron
I’ve driven a class 8 shunted at Longsight… thanks for the recall of the memory
I was in the UK and on the high way I say this same locomotive . I’ve been looking for what it was
I will admit, it's very convincing 😊
well done looks great
Filming the Disney movie "The Lone Ranger" in 2012, we had 3 "steam locomotives", all made by Special Effects Department. 1 did not move, 1 was shoved around by a diesel electric switch engine, and one was powered by 2 Cummins 900 hp diesel engines in the tender, driving hydraulic pumps, which ran hydraulic motors on the tender wheels. Just like a Hornby HO model steam locomotive. None of the people in the train department thought it would work, but, what did we know? Well, it performed so poorly, I christened it the "Jokeomotive", and the director started calling it "my very expensive paperweight". Long story short...The MI 7 prop is not the first life sized tender powered engine.
Thanks for clearing it up for me. I did not realize it was powered by its tender. I assumed its steam powerd drive was real! pretty clever.😊
Great Video, thanks for sharing
Very cool! Stéph.
Hi ya all that is one powerful truck!!!!
The "General Rive-Reine" in tribute to two other great 'train' movies
😀👍i love it this is very very nostalgic look like back in the 18/19 centuries
Said the little red tractor pulling the loco … “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can …” 😂
Fico muito agradecido pela beleza dessa locomotiva.
Thank you my dear 🌺
I wish I could see this train in action
Stop the film at about 1.06 or 1.07, and you can see right through where the "firebox" and "boiler" are joined together!
Interessting video, thumbs up :)
Thank you, Simon! :)
Cameron
Ah man reading the title i thought that it arrived today, although not sure how considering it drove off a cliff but I guess I thought it was another one. I would've visited to go and see it. Ah well great footage.
Thank you very much :)
Cameron
beautifull engine
It looks so real 😍
Certainly looks very convincing doesn't it lol
Cameron
I didn't read the description, have not fully grasped this is a movie prop (although it does mention Mission Impossible in the title, fair enough). So I'm watching this video, thinking how nice it is when people save old locomotives and restore them to look this nice, and then at the end I read "the locomotive was launched off of the cliff" O_O. In the first moment I was still thinking, yeah sure they're launching this locomotive after the reconstruction was finished, clearly. As in, launching a ship. The "off of the cliff" part took a moment to sink in :D
my brain gets to be this vapid once a day.
this sounds about like me
superbe train
Many great actors lived during the running of those locos.
Love you steam locomotive 🚂 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Looks relatively convincing, for a movie prop!
локомотів-браво
Must not have roller bearings , she did not want to move !! The things they will do for films amazes me , she looks great !!
Cor nice one mate, rare to see a Class 37 slip at 6 mins in 😉
Why thank you Mr Jenden, gotta love a surprise 37 appearance 👌
😂😂
This sure was interesting to watch. Reminds me of the behind of the scenes video on the train scene for this movie and how they made the passenger cars just like this engine that went off a cliff.
Glad you found it interesting, thanks for watching :)
Cameron
that was really interesting - ok a giant model train but still impressive - thanks for sharing this with us
Wow.... good 👍
Fantastico il recupero di queste splendide locomotive.
Interesting.
In a city - Santos Dumont, where the aircraft inventor was born - about 50 Km near of mine is a totally restored Baldwin loco but even for visitation is now forbidden...
Its so cool seeing somthing so intresting working again 😢😢😢😊😊😊😊😊😊
I love how the numbering copies the style of the French steam locomotive on a British style locomotive, and with the wheel number and not the axle number like the SNCF does.
By french standard, a 462 engine would be massive.
It would also have no powered wheels. 4F2 would be *even bigger*.
Selon la SNCF ce serait une 231
I actually see this when I was driving other day it’s massive
How would you replace the tires on that flat bed if any blow? Be interesting to hear.
Brilliant but disappointing!!! I was getting all keyed up about visiting the GCR to ride behind this!!!
Superb film
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the film :)
Cameron
I was looking forward to riding behind it too 😢
Can we build a teplica of the locomotive to put in a museaum
Would love to have seen, photos or a video of the aftermouth of the shot, or cutting and removing wreckage for scrap
The low-loader semitrailer makes funny sounds.... "bowwowwowowwow". A trailer with a built-in pack of dogs 😄
Wow, a 1:1Scale model train
Fascinating video thank you. All that money for a superb mongrel locomotive which actually 'worked' in its short life. Shame to scrap all that hard work.
Thanks very much John :)
Cameron
For a fake unit it looks amazing
Грандиозная транспортировка. Водитель ас👌👌молодец👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
Being a railway nerd, I can’t not see Britannia under that ‘disguise’.
This is a similar "prop" loco like they built for the movie..Murdet on the Orient Express, which is now a lovely restaurant with the coaches up in Bassenthwaite...well wort a visit
That loco is one hell of a weight to pull for a modestly sized 1940s tractor with a 2 1/2 litre four cylinder lump and a mere 30 or so horse power. I'm not surprised it was spinning the back wheels.
Yes, but not full weight, much being built from wood and other stuff and would have had a hollow inside.
Good old David Brown tractor,nice to see classic British engineering getting a look in!.
A Case-o-matic very likely would have gotten that loco moving.
I was waiting for all seven loco’s to be unloaded from trucks to the GCR and that it must have been a difficult job to organise getting them there in a convoy from different parts of the UK.
After I watched the video, I realised and re read the headline. I added an ‘s’ to loco! 🤪🤦♂️🤣
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Seeing a tender drive itself was odd.
It was being pulled by the lorry behind it
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Aq suka lokomotif uap.. naik yg jadul maupun yg mmodrn (prduk thn 30an )..
Hi I thought there was Oliver Cromwell and Britannia the only two preserved where did they find this one? Mark
I wonder if any of her parts salvaged after the crash?
Tender driven? That’s kinda cool
Super Akcjon - podrawiam
what tests did occur for the loco while it was at the GCR did it get a run of the line under its own power ?
I looked at this and thought “did they rebuild it after it wrecked” but no this is just old footage 😂
Same
Why did SA Smith move it when it Mainly Reid Freight that moved all the carriages and loco
Because they were contracted to do so
Great video, So. Is it locomotive going to get restored or will it get Scraped?!
Thanks very much Jimmy! :) She was totally destroyed in the crash and set for scrap.
Cameron
@RailView_YT Jesus!! There's 2 million pound gone!!
@@jimmystransportmarvels8815They’ll have made the money back very easily in box office profits
@@JD0G69 Going by Box Office Mojo:
The film had a budget of $291 (which included making and destroying this prop).
It grossed $370m so far worldwide, but do note that this does not account for the box office's share of tickets which internationally can be 50% or higher.
Further, the golden rule in cinema is that you need roughly 2.5x your budget to account for marketing and miscellaneous costs to break even.
As a result, it made $370m gross profit so far and needed something like $725m to break even. Bear in mind, that's just break even - to actually be considered profitable you need to make way more than that, realistically at least $1b.
It made the money back on making this train prop, but it seems to have been a waste of time and money when it looks to be a flop. xD
@@MrJoeyWheelerOuch, that must be one of the biggest box office flops ever 🤣 Part 2 will probably be even worse lol
As a retired truck driver I'm curious about the horsepower they have in their trucks pulling this weight.
FH16-550HP, may I think. And a strong hydrostatic engine braking too, probably 600HP+350HP of engine pneumatic breaking..
It isn't the HP so much as the gearing which is one of the reasons they can't travel very fast.
Even the tractor loco is very rare.
It’s the engine that fell
Here I thought I was looking at a real locomotive.
Is that not a standard class 7
Edit: was this before they threw it off a bridge? if so its a shame if this is old footage as she is beautiful for a mutt loco of many types of original locomotives
Edit 2: Nevermind! should have made a mock version and kept the original because while it be expensive it would have been awesome to see if this design had any potential as a real locomotive.
Wow kereta uap mau di impor atau Exspor me mana ya mantap .
I wonder why they made a British Railways loco when the film was supposed to in Europe, could it be because a continental loco would be too big for our loading gauge and a smaller scale replica would not look right.
Cedarcam, Its a good question. I guess building a full sized French loco in the UK from plans would have been a greater challenge than basing it on a loco that many engineers would be familiar with. No doubt the producers chose the UK because of its strong steam engineering tradition and ready availability of heritage railways to film the other scenes in the movie. The English language and US movie production companies having a studio presence near London would also have helped.
So given that this is a full size mock up and so could have been made to look like anything, why did they make something that looks like a Britannia with bits on to make it look foreign?
Hello. I stumbled on this film on u tube and thought it was a French import. Just shows how you can be fooled Cheers Mark
What loco is it based on plz I’ve read the description but can’t see it
It’s supposed to be based on a br standard 7 Britannia locomotive
Too me it looks like the Britannia class but not sure,
its bit of a shame there werent made a second prop engine, it could been great promotion material.
Why do S. A. Smith still have a fax number?
WAIT they crashed it???😭
That train that fell off I saw in the car the other year
Thers a movie prop locomotive at bassenthwaite station
I would really like to know more details about how they built that machine. It took special machines and equipment back in the day. Foundrys for the hugh castings, and none of that exists anymore. And the people who biult the originals are long dead and gone too. If it truly is a mockup, im dumfounded. Even if they had the help of railroad historians, i cant see how they could of biult it!
I liked it better when movie people would wreck a toy train instead of a real one. Big fan of Gomez Addams 😂
You need to put some weights on the front of that tractor
È bom ver que essas maquinas em alguns lugares do mundo ainda estão em uso em memoria de uma historia que ser contada por elas mesmas com existencia neste seculo presente.
Isso é "só" uma replica que foi destruída intencionalmente
this loco is clearly a britannia with some added features to look different
Who built it?
Some people from Surrey
Just such a crying shame it was destroyed in the film all in the name of realism but that’s the name of the film game !!
What class is this steam loco?
A Pannier
Why did they destroy it?
It was a movie prop built to be destroyed, it wasn't a real functioning steam locomotive, it was a mock-up powered by a Diesel engine in the tender.