HYDRAULIC PRESS VS TITANIUM AND CARBON FIBER, BENDING TEST

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2022
  • With the help of a hydraulic press, we will test the strength of various materials. Bending test. Brass, Titanium, Carbon fiber, Steel
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  • @Good-idea-maker
    @Good-idea-maker 11 месяцев назад +1059

    Absolutely completely insane that Ocean Gate could hear their pressure chamber tearing apart on every dive and they didn’t immediately abort the design and restart from scratch.

    • @philipstaite4775
      @philipstaite4775 11 месяцев назад +60

      I would have said ideally there wouldn't have been any snaps/pops etc. coming from the hull. Every one represents a small breakage in the structure, some flaw from manufacturing. However, that level of perfection might be unrealistic. With a sufficient (necessary) margin of safety you could cycle it (dive) unmanned and ensure there weren't too many pops/cracks or "adjustments"... But then, I wouldn't want to have *any* ongoing "accustic events" on subsequent dives. Those represent ongoing, *accumulating* damage, not a one-time settling-in. I believe you are correct, it was insane to continue using it, knowing the structure was weakening with every cycle. A catastrophic failure was a question of when, not if.

    • @MrRasZee
      @MrRasZee 11 месяцев назад +19

      from watching this aluminium is just a little bit weaker than carbon fibre but it dont suddenly give way and its lighter and cheaper than titanium . id build my sub out of aluminium

    • @fanatamon
      @fanatamon 11 месяцев назад +6

      Absolutely and have the total enjoyment and success of getting it right.

    • @ganndeber1621
      @ganndeber1621 11 месяцев назад +8

      @@PIlotrcm They also said in their message that they were listening to Under Pressure by David Bowie and Queen and Down Down deeper and Down by Status Quo on their music system

    • @tonamg53
      @tonamg53 11 месяцев назад +14

      @@philipstaite4775Note that Titan did have its whole pressure hull replaced before.
      The hull that imploded is actually the second hull of that vehicle, not the first.

  • @raxormidst
    @raxormidst Год назад +465

    "Don't repeat at home" Yeah everyone casually has an hydraulic press lying around

    • @arokit
      @arokit Год назад +36

      You mean, you don't?

    • @MarqueeliusThe_III
      @MarqueeliusThe_III Год назад +14

      @@arokit He’s being sarcastic.

    • @Nomi-D-Yagami
      @Nomi-D-Yagami Год назад +12

      I actually keep in my pocket and use when I wat to destroy something

    • @the_explorer4600
      @the_explorer4600 Год назад +6

      @@Nomi-D-Yagami you have a bag of holding?

    • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
      @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Год назад +4

      @@Nomi-D-Yagami
      Where can I get your bag of holding?

  • @indyjons321
    @indyjons321 11 месяцев назад +521

    I’m honestly most impressed with Fiberglass and how slowly it fails.

    • @Stainless316L
      @Stainless316L 11 месяцев назад +9

      Doesn't fail slowly when crashed 😁

    • @martinmtawali7359
      @martinmtawali7359 11 месяцев назад +5

      Woven roven fiberglass is stronger than chopstrand matt

    • @scotmclaughlin2113
      @scotmclaughlin2113 11 месяцев назад +6

      Agree it still held together in parts totally surprised

    • @tchevrier
      @tchevrier 11 месяцев назад +16

      with the exception of stiffness S class fibreglass has better characteristics than carbon fibre. And much cheaper

    • @paulrippcord506
      @paulrippcord506 11 месяцев назад +2

      That’s why boats and bathtubs are made out of it.

  • @kewintaylor7056
    @kewintaylor7056 Год назад +887

    acrylic
    201kg. / 12.5 g. / ratio 16.08
    fiber glass
    648. /20.9. / 31.00
    aluminium
    657. / 26.8. / 24.51
    carbon fiber
    740. / 15.2 / 48.68
    brass
    916. / 84. / 10.9
    titanium
    2418. / 44.5. / 54.34
    HS steel
    3870. / 76.8. / 50.39

    • @KevinATJumpWorks
      @KevinATJumpWorks Год назад +105

      You just completed the video, thank you!

    • @cocodojo
      @cocodojo Год назад +18

      Thank you!

    • @gglen2141
      @gglen2141 Год назад +34

      Appreciate that. I was waiting for results at the end.

    • @AlitaGunm99
      @AlitaGunm99 Год назад +10

      Was that pure Titanium, or an alloy?

    • @julsaevin3435
      @julsaevin3435 Год назад +14

      Fiberglass was actually 20.09 or 20.1 g

  • @DrBovdin
    @DrBovdin 11 месяцев назад +98

    Interesting to see the difference between the plastic deformation of aluminium and titanium, and the brittle sudden failure of the brass and steel alloys.
    Then naturally, in the light of recent events (and the naturally occurring morbid curiosity), the further comparison to various composites and acrylic became suddenly very topical and interesting in its own right.

    • @jerrykinnin7941
      @jerrykinnin7941 11 месяцев назад +3

      HHS steel is a Tool steel so it is naturally brittle but holds an excellent edge for cutting.

    • @greentriumph1643
      @greentriumph1643 11 месяцев назад +1

      This is a 3 point test in which the specimen is in shear and bending. If the bass was in a standard tensile test you would see that it did not fail suddenly.

  • @Willy-nu3oc
    @Willy-nu3oc 11 месяцев назад +45

    Carbon fiber, don't use it for any submarine ever. Can't handle extreme pressure

  • @sandgrownun66
    @sandgrownun66 11 месяцев назад +9

    "Do not repeat this at home". No, just do it for real by trying to dive to the Titanic.

  • @Daverotherham
    @Daverotherham 11 месяцев назад +46

    Shows how the way things fail matters as much as how strong they are. Some purposes, you need them to hold shape, and if they fail all is lost, some things bent is better than broken

  • @VoidHxnter
    @VoidHxnter Год назад +47

    “I wonder why they call it high speed steel… oh that’s why…”

    • @seanseoltoir
      @seanseoltoir Год назад +6

      It's used in cutting tools like for a metal lathe or drill bits...

    • @davideloi9176
      @davideloi9176 Год назад

      😂😂😂😂

    • @dirkheubel2899
      @dirkheubel2899 11 месяцев назад +4

      High speed steel (HSS) terminology probably comes from the factthat the drill bits, router bits etc. Made out of them can be run at higher cutting speed (and resulting temperature ) than high carbon steel ( traditional tool steel) can be. It can be run to red hot temperature, it will soften, but reharden to it original hardness upon cooling. Tool steel gradually softens above a few hundred degrees C. It needs to be quenched at red hot heat to reharden it an then tempered to the desired hardness to suit the tool's purpose. You can drill through steel without the use of coolant.
      Note that carpenters tools such as chisels, and metal working tools such as cold chisels, centre punches etc are made out of tool steel and not HSS. Such tools would fractures at the first blow with a hammer or mallet. Nothing structural is made from HSS , apart for entertainment I cannot imagine why such an unsuitable material was included in the tests. But the the whole exercise is inconclusive to me. I will add a comment.

  • @gabriox2good
    @gabriox2good 11 месяцев назад +1443

    now i see why making the ocean-gate submersible out of carbon fiber was a big mistake . R.I.P to the victims

    • @primalcritters
      @primalcritters 11 месяцев назад +75

      Same here. I've been researching all about carbon fiber and the construction of that vessel. Makes total sense once you research the shape of how submersibles should be, the size, the materials, xcetera

    • @michaelyemariamlij2633
      @michaelyemariamlij2633 11 месяцев назад +88

      I understand why they use titanium in submarsibles now

    • @ChaJ67
      @ChaJ67 11 месяцев назад +21

      @@michaelyemariamlij2633 When you go over a broader scope of material options, I have wondered about doing more stainless steel for submarines. It seems you get the right stainless steel mix in there and it has some very good properties for a fraction of the price of other materials. SpaceX's Starship is made with a stainless steel alloy for different reasons and likely with different optimizations than what you would want for a submarine, but when you watch how much the structure of Starship over-performed in the 04/20 launch and they couldn't get the rocket to self-destruct, instead a massive structure cartwheeling through the air at multiple mach speeds while venting propellant through holes blown in the side of the rocket from the abort charges going off and after tumbling for a while, the venting propellant finally ignited as the rocket re-entered the thicker part of the atmosphere and destroyed the rocket, I mean that material held together through quite a bit.
      Titanium is extremely expensive and hard to work with. The SR-71 Blackbird's titanium came from Russia only to return over Russian skies later as spy planes as the USA was having trouble sourcing the titanium from elsewhere. Carbon fiber is extremely expensive and as we can see is the wrong material for a submarine. Stainless steel alloys are relatively cheap and can be customized to have very good properties for submarine use.

    • @BrokenCurtain
      @BrokenCurtain 11 месяцев назад +121

      Carbon fiber is super lightweight, which makes it great for aircraft and spaceships.
      But in submersibles, that just means extra buoyancy which must be countered by adding ballast.
      The guy who constructed the Titan and died in it had a degree in aerospace engineering. The idiot was probably thinking that he was building an airplane.

    • @ChaJ67
      @ChaJ67 11 месяцев назад +21

      @@BrokenCurtain This is the thing. There are people who study a subject and get the critical understanding to succeed or at least they have the right form if something goes wrong. Then there are idiots who are full of themselves and don't listen to the people who know what they are talking about.
      Just by listening to this guy's sales pitch, he was more of a salesman, full of himself, than a real engineer. He didn't listen to real engineers because he was too full of himself. This lead to his death.
      Like Elon Musk, however you feel about him, it is hard to deny that he is a real engineer. It doesn't mean things don't go wrong, but instead there is strong reasoning behind the engineering moves he makes and at the core, it is a good design. If he is dedicated enough, perfection is reached such as the Falcon 9 rocket. With a Tesla car, I think we all know that while the fundamentals are good, they are not perfect cars, but that is engineers also can have their quirks like being obsessed with Twitter and not finishing the job they started.

  • @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173
    @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173 Год назад +194

    Resistances:
    -7 - Acrylic: Weight: 12,5 G/Resistance: 201 KG
    -6 - Fiberglass: Weight: 20,9 G/Resistance: 648 KG
    -5 - Aluminum: Weight: 26,8/Resistance: 657 KG
    -4 - Carbon Fiber: Weight: 15,2 G/Resistance: 740 KG
    -3 - Brass: Weight: 84 G/Resistance: 916 KG
    -2 - Titanium: Weight: 44,5 G/Resistance: 2418 KG
    -1 - HSS: Weight: 76,8 G/Resistance: 3870 KG

    • @bidav2114
      @bidav2114 11 месяцев назад +4

      This is great but can you edit and do the material weight side by side the resistance weight. Thank you❤️

    • @HughCStevenson1
      @HughCStevenson1 11 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks! Eeven better if you could add the masses... :)

    • @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173
      @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@bidav2114 Hmmm, i will see what i can do

    • @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173
      @TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@HughCStevenson1 Done! 👍🏼

    • @earthsciencetech
      @earthsciencetech 10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks

  • @phiinblade2293
    @phiinblade2293 Год назад +27

    When the steel broke, it gave us an Excellent example of the Normal Force at work, proving that as the press pushed the Block into the table, the table pushed back against the press, launching the block upward as soon as the steel broke

    • @notsureyou
      @notsureyou Год назад +2

      I like when there is push back ;-)

  • @gonzalez7805
    @gonzalez7805 Год назад +655

    Started out so good , i dont understand why you wont put the max pressure of each item in a graph at the end . Its like watching a half done video

    • @Tac08
      @Tac08 Год назад +20

      I agree

    • @69CamaroSS
      @69CamaroSS Год назад +14

      EXACTLY!! 🤦‍♂️

    • @edgargaspar914
      @edgargaspar914 Год назад +6

      👌🏽

    • @pauljoe2735
      @pauljoe2735 Год назад +17

      The number is the measurement of how much pressure is being built up. Not how much is being put on to the object. So the tougher object endure more pressure, showing a higher number.

    • @ekamanushemu9621
      @ekamanushemu9621 Год назад

      Illiterate . Dnt see this. See tiktok.

  • @jasonwarren9279
    @jasonwarren9279 Год назад +71

    This channel has taught me that under enough pressure pretty much anything can be a spring.

    • @ivan-Croatian
      @ivan-Croatian Год назад +9

      Well sometimes, it can be winter.

    • @seanseoltoir
      @seanseoltoir Год назад +2

      Not sure about the "anything" part of that statement... A soft metal like lead will probably just deform into the new shape and not try to rebound...

    • @johnded3874
      @johnded3874 Год назад

      For all practical purposes yes, but I think everything has a plastic deformation threshold below which it is elastic. So if the lead spring was designed not to flex beyond that point then it would work, although the length of travel would be very short.

  • @wordreet
    @wordreet Год назад +151

    This just showed how amazingly strong and tough fibreglass can be, and how rigid carbon-fibre is! Titanium is of course an amazing metal having almost half the weight of steel. Tool steel did what I expected.

    • @bear76009
      @bear76009 11 месяцев назад +4

      they have a new substance they can produce that is called Graphene that is just amazing. It has 10,000x the strength of its weight in steel.

    • @Ddog72
      @Ddog72 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@bear76009 Its not new at all.

    • @bear76009
      @bear76009 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@Ddog72 2004 was when it was first discovered and RECENTLY was when it was able to be manufactured to any amount that could really be used for anything other than testing. It is also been recently discovered that it is a superconductor at near room temperature and above.

    • @wordreet
      @wordreet 11 месяцев назад

      @@bear76009 Yep, I've heard about it.

    • @battleoid2411
      @battleoid2411 11 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@bear76009it's stronger in some areas, but much like carbon fiber, apply a load in the wrong direction and it fails completely, whereas steel is able to handle high loads from just about any force. Steel isn't going anywhere anytime soon, it's cheap, easy to make, easy to work, and you can use it for just about anything outside of very specialized cases such as aircraft

  • @wl88168
    @wl88168 11 месяцев назад +293

    Would be interesting to see the carbon fiber test redone comparing parallel and cross-hatched strand orientation at various angle combinations to determine the differences in strength and failure profile.

    • @Splits-man
      @Splits-man 11 месяцев назад +17

      That’s what killed them. It was parallel not cross hatched

    • @wl88168
      @wl88168 11 месяцев назад +11

      @@Splits-man as a novice unknowledgeable nube, I would have considered a multi-layer titanium-multiple opposing alternating cross hatched carbon fiber sandwich setup BUT that would still leave the issue of how to deal with joining the ends of the differing materials - a problem answered as to why gluing is now preferred to riveting on aircrafts these days to provide a smoother stress transition from 1 material to another but not sure if this would be even possible and/or work in a similar manner in extremely high inward deep-sea pressures

    • @kevin.afton_
      @kevin.afton_ 11 месяцев назад +12

      Would be still far away from the strength of the steel.

    • @wl88168
      @wl88168 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@kevin.afton_ weight considerations in a logistical sense for a non-fully self-propelled short-range DSV would probably be a rather large impediment

    • @cardboardboxification
      @cardboardboxification 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@wl88168 gluing the ends would be ok, because the pressure is squeezing it together, carbon fiber is stiff , it doesn't bend it shatters like glass

  • @lear1980
    @lear1980 Год назад +96

    I fully expected the HSS to snap, but I didn't think it would snap so violently.

    • @pavelkoudelka8934
      @pavelkoudelka8934 Год назад +5

      3,5 tons :D

    • @Killertomato84
      @Killertomato84 Год назад +28

      why do you think they call it high speed steel?

    • @BettyPhuckzer92
      @BettyPhuckzer92 Год назад +1

      @@Killertomato84 🤣

    • @brutaladd
      @brutaladd Год назад +3

      It’s 65 on the Rockwell scale, tungsten carbide is in the mid 70’s I’d much like to see that one

    • @BettyPhuckzer92
      @BettyPhuckzer92 Год назад +2

      @@brutaladd I know what you’re saying but I also hope you got the joke..haha

  • @hansvetter8653
    @hansvetter8653 11 месяцев назад +6

    Insanely great! Fantastic demonstrations! Thanks!

  • @juzoli
    @juzoli 11 месяцев назад +201

    It would be nice to see the final chart, summarizing the strengths versus mass on a single screen.
    It is also important to highlight if the material breaks or bends.

    • @bertram3951
      @bertram3951 11 месяцев назад +8

      Exactly..I expected this simples chart.

    • @Smiling_Guest
      @Smiling_Guest 10 месяцев назад

      no

    • @LisaL.
      @LisaL. 9 месяцев назад +2

      That would be asking too much, this is clearly not made by a scientist, everything is not standardised

    • @Smiling_Guest
      @Smiling_Guest 9 месяцев назад

      no

    • @greentriumph1643
      @greentriumph1643 8 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly! If you are doing a tension or bending test show the force deflection curve at least. Stress and strain if you have better equipment.

  • @fallingsumo3656
    @fallingsumo3656 11 месяцев назад +62

    imagine hearing carbon fiber cracking just before your submarine implodes in the Atlantic ocean

    • @barbraabsalom4531
      @barbraabsalom4531 11 месяцев назад +6

      5 people did

    • @THEREALCAPTAINDREAD
      @THEREALCAPTAINDREAD 11 месяцев назад +2

      Was that your stomach rumbling or did you far… 💥 👼 🌁

    • @ivessahar2456
      @ivessahar2456 11 месяцев назад +1

      It should be terrible

    • @hermesaquila642
      @hermesaquila642 11 месяцев назад

      I doubt they had time to hear it cracking. At such pressure, structures don't warn you. It just breaks.

    • @philipbre
      @philipbre 11 месяцев назад

      That feeling won't last very long.

  • @The_Curious_Cat
    @The_Curious_Cat 11 месяцев назад +3

    Oceangate: "our next submersible will be made of acrylic".

  • @Lauren.629
    @Lauren.629 11 месяцев назад +37

    The carbon fiber is wild, considering what we know about the imploded sub. First, sounds like gunshots/fireworks were described in earlier dives. Then in the texts between the sub and the surface, they reported "crackling" sounds. Then apparently failure of the hull. That's exactly what's shown and heard in this example.

    • @user-ne9lh8eh2i
      @user-ne9lh8eh2i 11 месяцев назад +6

      Imagine hearing those noises! The dread!

    • @mightymystery9204
      @mightymystery9204 11 месяцев назад +5

      Creaking is usually sliding or stretching, elastic deformation or strain, both in the common and technical terminology. Crackling is usually fracture, of structural elements. While creaking means a structure is absorbing energy by deformation, sometimes even becoming stronger before declining again, crackling means elements of the structure are failing, continuously weakening. Each broken fibre creates a miniature focal point for slightly increased load, so it is a self-magnifying problem.

    • @DM-rc4yu
      @DM-rc4yu 11 месяцев назад

      Those transcripts are fake.

    • @mothiiee
      @mothiiee 11 месяцев назад

      @@mightymystery9204 for real like. Carbon fibers great! Its just also. Fibers. Which means as soon as a single fiber breaks its weakened, even if just a little.
      Even if the body of the sub was strong enough to withstand the depths at one point, the friction of the ocean could very well start breaking fibers, and in the end. Well.

    • @johns1625
      @johns1625 11 месяцев назад

      And that Rush moron said that the carbon fiber popping sounds were because it was "settling in" and becoming more stable, when in reality it was just being damaged beyond plasticity.

  • @madfictionfpv8246
    @madfictionfpv8246 11 месяцев назад +99

    Im guessing titanium is used in submersibles for more reasons than just being strong and light. It also has other really good properties such as highly resistant to general corrosion in seawater and is an extremely stable metal as far as thermal expansion goes.

    • @tasa4904
      @tasa4904 11 месяцев назад +4

      Don't they use steel instead? It's easier to form, and better understood. From what I'm reading, titanium helps create a sports-car kind of submarine because the light weight means you either get more internal room due to smaller engines or you get faster underwater speeds because you have excess power. But Titanium is like a sports car in that it requires a lot of money too. Titanium is an expensive metal so the initial cost is high. And materials research also hasn't yielded a strong yet flexible titanium alloy yet, so maintenance is a must or the titanium will start cracking sooner than an equivalent steel design.

    • @SuperDrizzle7
      @SuperDrizzle7 11 месяцев назад +1

      Stainless steel is stronger and way cheaper and still resistant to corrosion. Titanium is better than carbon fiber tho.

    • @nervsouly
      @nervsouly 11 месяцев назад +2

      And now I suddenly know why this video was being recommended to me. I watched several about that incident when it happened. That's one smart algorithm at work there.

    • @madfictionfpv8246
      @madfictionfpv8246 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@tasa4904 the submersible with the deepest dive on record 5 times is the trinton 3600/2 or better know as the limiting factor. The pressure vessel is completely made out of titanium.

    • @mothiiee
      @mothiiee 11 месяцев назад

      Idk if i just had low quality carbon fiber, but as soon as i heard thats what they used... that shit does not hold up well to friction, and the ocean is full of shit that increases it.

  • @Garde538
    @Garde538 11 месяцев назад +5

    Im only here because of Titan

  • @conservovirtus5796
    @conservovirtus5796 11 месяцев назад +17

    Who else is watching this because of the sub?

  • @Secretsofsociety
    @Secretsofsociety 11 месяцев назад +15

    to think some highly trained engineers though thought a material the cracks instead of bends was a good idea for a submarine that is constantly changing pressures.

    • @barbraabsalom4531
      @barbraabsalom4531 11 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah , but it was cheap & “ hi tech “ , therefore it was easy to state bs like “ current methods of testing for safety are over the top & hinder innovation “ .

    • @Secretsofsociety
      @Secretsofsociety 11 месяцев назад

      @@barbraabsalom4531 I can see that happening which just makes me laugh harder at these institutions and engineers that thought this was a good idea. I'm no materials expert but my limited experience with hockey sticks and knowing hard things tend to be brittle said that was a bad material. Feel bad for the victims, except the CEO.... It was his mistake after all.

    • @SilverStarHeggisist
      @SilverStarHeggisist 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@barbraabsalom4531 I'm guessing they went with it cause light weight. When I think of cheap materials, carbon fiber isn't one of them

    • @richa.s9912
      @richa.s9912 11 месяцев назад +2

      Stainless steel are always have more popular with making submarines and ocean water ships battle cruiser world war 2 ships Aircraft carriers in America to now 2023 and no other types of material will change away from stainless steel since .

    • @Secretsofsociety
      @Secretsofsociety 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@SilverStarHeggisist not sure why weight was a priority for a submarine. Much rather pay a bit more for the boat to move it around than have it crack under pressure.

  • @gp123lIlI
    @gp123lIlI 11 месяцев назад +11

    Oceangate brought me here

  • @dbaider9467
    @dbaider9467 Год назад

    This is the most mesmerizing experiment on RUclips!

  • @BriefAnger
    @BriefAnger Год назад +22

    So the reason the carbon failed so early is because of the orientation of the fibers. I’d recommend using a biax variant. Same with fiberglass

    • @OrIoN1989
      @OrIoN1989 10 месяцев назад +3

      The fiber direction is everything!

  • @nixxonnor
    @nixxonnor Год назад +44

    Nice tests. You should put up a table with the results and sort the list by weight, force, force/weight, material cost, cost/force etc. EDIT: I just noticed Kewin Taylor has presented some figures ;)

  • @beargillium2369
    @beargillium2369 11 месяцев назад +5

    I had no idea brass was so strong or so heavy, nuce video, thanks! 👍

  • @ElJulioso
    @ElJulioso 11 месяцев назад +12

    4:00 imagine hearing this on every dive in a submersible nearly four kilometres beneath the surface of the ocean and being stupid enough to think: "Yep, this is fine!"

  • @envitech02
    @envitech02 11 месяцев назад +3

    Part of my job I build pressure vessels and steam headers as per ASME code. Carbon fiber and FRP are hard materials. They are brittle and fracture easily. Steel and titanium are tough. They bend and absorb forces. I'm far from building a sub, but never will I build it from carbon fiber or FRP.

  • @reddelcorazon8118
    @reddelcorazon8118 Год назад +7

    *puts accidentally iphone*: oh no my phone!
    *puts accidentally nokia* : oh no my hydraulic press!

  • @zastomislisdaznas2483
    @zastomislisdaznas2483 Год назад +1

    Thank you so much for this experience!
    Greetings from Croatia...

  • @SwampDonkey225
    @SwampDonkey225 Год назад +8

    "Do not try at home"
    Me: stuff's 4 ton hydraulic press back into my pocket

  • @justsaiyansteve
    @justsaiyansteve 11 месяцев назад +6

    Here because of sub.

  • @john9377
    @john9377 11 месяцев назад +22

    The passengers of Titan should’ve seen how poorly carbon fiber did when they paid $250k to go down in a tube of it with a Logitech controller.
    At least they got the full titanic experience

    • @kaisuhina8024
      @kaisuhina8024 11 месяцев назад +1

      Lmao because of titan now everyone thinks carbon fiber is weak. In round shape it can be stronger than steel for fraction the weight.

    • @wnsjimbo2863
      @wnsjimbo2863 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@kaisuhina8024it can't that's why noone uses it dor submarines
      Sure if you need less weight it can help but not be stronger

    • @kaisuhina8024
      @kaisuhina8024 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@wnsjimbo2863 its not typically used in submarines because steel is cheaper.

    • @MarcusHalberstramVP
      @MarcusHalberstramVP 10 месяцев назад

      That’s why basic critical reasoning skills go a long way in keeping one safe and sound.

  • @michaelkaliski7651
    @michaelkaliski7651 Год назад +1

    Excellent - All the materials performed exactly as I expected although the HSS was particularly violent when it failed.

    • @Sabe-Stormrage
      @Sabe-Stormrage Год назад

      HSS being generally a Tool Steel for making cutting tools has higher carbon content and is more rigid in return, so even though it can handle more pressure it in turn is brittle once its breaking point is reached

  • @darylandcat
    @darylandcat 11 месяцев назад +8

    Missing sub 2023 happening sent me here.

  • @jc6077
    @jc6077 11 месяцев назад +3

    Blows my mind that Oceangate went with carbon Fiber. I’m not an engineer; but after a little research on testing it, it would be a big no go for me!
    They were not dealing with the possibly of ‘if’ but a certainty of ‘when’…

    • @rwgameplays3253
      @rwgameplays3253 11 месяцев назад

      Unlike titanium, carbon fiber wears out and can break down over time.

    • @MarcusHalberstramVP
      @MarcusHalberstramVP 10 месяцев назад

      @@rwgameplays3253 Titanium is for real men while carbon fiber is for libtards. Even I, a Bigfoot, can tell that.

  • @roybatty-
    @roybatty- 11 месяцев назад +8

    Titanium is incredible.

    • @pilot7350
      @pilot7350 10 месяцев назад

      it will be interesting to see how 2DPA-1 fairs against the hydraulic press weighs less the plastic and twice as strong as steel supposedly.

  • @RCrosbyLyles
    @RCrosbyLyles 11 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent work! thank you!

  • @GrumpleslamAlabaster
    @GrumpleslamAlabaster Год назад

    Very cool. Didn’t expect the brass to pop

  • @DriftKingNL
    @DriftKingNL Год назад +81

    With the exception of the carbon fiber one, I knew the outcome of all of them before they happened. The reason why I was uncertain about the CF is because I wassn't sure how the rod was made. Long fibers, short fibers, directional, non-directional, "randomness", woven fabric. So it was a surprise to see it both split and sheer.

    • @fullfire0
      @fullfire0 Год назад +7

      Also depends which direction the press is pressing against the fibers. Carbon fiber is extremely strong in one direction

    • @makantahi3731
      @makantahi3731 Год назад +1

      c/gf are the strongest in tensile strength, this was loaded on bending-it is combination of push , pull and shear

    • @Slav4o911
      @Slav4o911 11 месяцев назад +3

      It seems they weren't woven at all. It was test of the glue not the carbon fiber.

    • @supabika2339
      @supabika2339 11 месяцев назад +1

      which is exactly what you want, predicability is essential when it comes to material failure

    • @FlatOutFE
      @FlatOutFE 11 месяцев назад

      It's quite possible to create a carbon fiber sample that would perform much better than a pure unidirectional sample. Uni fibers wrapped in +45/-45 would perform much better.

  • @Corewood_TJP
    @Corewood_TJP Год назад +35

    Quite interesting to see. Interesting that the metals in general didn't break, but just bended. But I was surprised to see that brass broke like that in an almost straight like. I was also surprised to see the steel break like it did - quite an unwarned snap. Other interesting things is that the carbon fiber didn't bend much compared to the other materials.

    • @adrianaristideasimopolos2313
      @adrianaristideasimopolos2313 Год назад +13

      harneded steel shatters (like a drill bit). Annealed steel is a lot softer and will bend a lot (like a normal rebar from the hardware store, or angle iron.. those are mild steel )
      Brass can also be hardened or aneealed.
      Both the steel and brass pieces were hardened and they did shatter.
      CF and fiberglass were weak due to the matrix (the resin). As the resin broke and delaminated the fibers. More evident on fiberglass but is also present in the CF example.

    • @marcoli259
      @marcoli259 Год назад +4

      Quenched and tempered steel will not yield but will explode once the tension reaches its capacity.

    • @kineticenergy2tadventures763
      @kineticenergy2tadventures763 Год назад +6

      Carbon fiber is strong but when if failed it break snap quickly with no warning

    • @williesnyder2899
      @williesnyder2899 11 месяцев назад

      Yes! My thought as well!! Always learning, aren’t we??

    • @jonathanhague5932
      @jonathanhague5932 10 месяцев назад

      the carbon fibre imploded . it was the weakest point of the sub....

  • @derchefer1
    @derchefer1 5 месяцев назад

    Gran ensayo! Gracias.

  • @My-Nickel
    @My-Nickel Год назад

    Excellent video, thank you very much sir!

  • @Mr2ronron
    @Mr2ronron 11 месяцев назад +7

    Wish you would have noted what grade of Ti alloy and HSS as well as heat treat conditions of the metals. Kinda a good overall example but more information on the specifics of all the constructions would be useful to better understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of each specimen.

    • @mothiiee
      @mothiiee 11 месяцев назад

      Tbh in that case i would want like. A full video of just different alloys n all that of the same thing. Idk much about most of this but seeing how just heat treating affects it would be cool ya know?

  • @jaromirandel543
    @jaromirandel543 Год назад +18

    3:50 - That looks more like forged carbon fiber. The forged carbon fiber has different characteristics than the classic "woven" one. Also mind the Carbon fibre is orthotropic.

    • @georgeklow4561
      @georgeklow4561 Год назад +2

      Pretty sure it's unidirectional (UD) carbon fiber, so it should be good for a bend test as the fibers are aligned to the stress direction

    • @Slav4o911
      @Slav4o911 11 месяцев назад

      @@georgeklow4561 But it wasn't, it should have been stronger than titanium. That means something was not OK with that particular carbon fiber. When carbon fiber is used the correct way it's insanely strong.

  • @rodsalvage7121
    @rodsalvage7121 11 месяцев назад

    Oh my goodness. Had no idea. Very informative test.

  • @exploringwithjonathan
    @exploringwithjonathan 10 месяцев назад

    Titan Submersible: That first crack you heard from the carbon fiber piece is something you wouldn't of heard in the sub berfore death. Great video!

  • @rickintexas1584
    @rickintexas1584 Год назад +27

    I was surprised at how ductile the aluminum and titanium were.

  • @dawntreader7079
    @dawntreader7079 Год назад +4

    i would like to see you try graphene enforced carbon fiber. it should be about 20 to 35% stronger than the same weave of carbon fiber without the graphene.

  • @arionodhanis
    @arionodhanis 10 месяцев назад

    This is the best ever channel

  • @RM_VFX
    @RM_VFX 11 месяцев назад +2

    Yep, the solids in the fiberglass/carbon fiber fail at similar thresholds to the straight acrylic, but they have the fibers to keep the fragments tied together. Ain't gonna be much use under negative pressure.

  • @deskmat9874
    @deskmat9874 Год назад +3

    Damn that last piece of steel turned into a frag bomb

  • @Arikayx13
    @Arikayx13 11 месяцев назад +8

    The Steel explosion is such a great example of “The floor pushes up on you with equal force as you push down.”

    • @ryanhampson673
      @ryanhampson673 11 месяцев назад +1

      Have to love that normal force N

  • @anonyfamous42
    @anonyfamous42 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks now I can be an expert submarine engineer tomorrow morning at work with the colleagues 😂

  • @Jimseang2099
    @Jimseang2099 11 месяцев назад +1

    This video should be seen for the next person that wants to do a sea bottom adventure.

  • @MicheleGardini
    @MicheleGardini Год назад +3

    Very interesting. I assume this is pure titanium, whereas in high quality applications it is used as an alloy. In bike we have 3-2,5 or 4-6 titanium alloy (3 Al-2,5 V and 6Al-4V), with better performances.
    Also, we know testing fiber-based composite in this kind of press it's pretty unfair, but it's quite instructive anyway. We can see why they fail sometimes.

  • @squidwardfromua
    @squidwardfromua Год назад +7

    Considering price for each of these pieces and testing results, now you surely know why steel is so popular in the world.

    • @DaysofKnight
      @DaysofKnight Год назад

      Still would take Titanium or Carbon Fiber over Steel. There's a reason why Hypercars are made out of Carbon Fiber, Aluminum, and Titanium. Not Steel

    • @squidwardfromua
      @squidwardfromua Год назад +1

      @@DaysofKnight Yeah, lightweightness. But that's barely the only reason. Steel, on the other hand, is dozens times cheaper, better keeps strength under extreme temperatures than Al/Carbon fiber, MUCH easier in production and usability (cutting/welding). Steel is just more important in humanity' development, than these 3 combined imo. Humanity needs bridges, buildings and cheap cars more, than efficient planes and supercars. The most powerful rocket to fly, where lightweightness is the key to success, is being made with steel.

    • @scottmatheson3346
      @scottmatheson3346 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@DaysofKnightokay, stockton.

  • @Bushcraft-xz6xd
    @Bushcraft-xz6xd Год назад +2

    I wonder if a higher load force could be had using the same size bar but using a composite structure? Maybe a steel core with a titanium jacket? I would also have liked to see the breaking point of each bar when being held in place instead of the bending that occured. Interesting vid none the less.

    • @robinclaidlaw
      @robinclaidlaw Год назад +1

      Using that selection of materials, no, not without changing the size or shape of the specimens. The steel is strongest and replacing any part of that steel bar with a weaker material cannot make it stronger. By how much will depend on which part you swap. The top and bottom faces are most critical.

  • @ahmedsoekarno187
    @ahmedsoekarno187 Год назад

    Well done excellent information.

  • @wasrad
    @wasrad 11 месяцев назад +5

    So...dont make a sub tp see the titanic in a sub made out of carbon fiber.....

  • @leecowell8165
    @leecowell8165 11 месяцев назад +3

    Stainless is by far the best material to use for compression. Notice its not even on display here but it completely blows titanium and HSS steel away. Its heavy as hell though but that doesn't matter when it comes to submersible.

    • @Bryan-Hensley
      @Bryan-Hensley 11 месяцев назад

      Yes weight matters. That's really easy to research

    • @MarcusHalberstramVP
      @MarcusHalberstramVP 10 месяцев назад

      Titanium is best for submersibles.

  • @sylvainmasson8629
    @sylvainmasson8629 Год назад

    Very nice video !!!

  • @nedrow0
    @nedrow0 Год назад

    Amazing video 😍

  • @jwboatdesigns
    @jwboatdesigns Год назад +13

    It would be very useful to know how all those compare at the point at which the sample will no longer return to its previous shape.

    • @UMfan21
      @UMfan21 Год назад

      You are asking for the "Yield Strength" of each material. If you google, you can find it for materials like 6160 aluminum quite easily. For more complex materials like carbon fiber it depends on the number of layers, orientation of the layers, etc so there is not just one standard number. This experiment could be redone with strain gauges and a stress strain chart could be made to find the Yield strength of each sample.

    • @ryanhampson673
      @ryanhampson673 11 месяцев назад

      Well I have an answer for you if it’s 5 inches of carbon fiber…

  • @HyPotterinuse
    @HyPotterinuse 10 месяцев назад +5

    Wow I had no idea how strong yet brittle carbon fiber is. Hardly any flex before failure compared to the others.

  • @arsalansaeed5418
    @arsalansaeed5418 11 месяцев назад

    Incredible work

  • @keikosan1354
    @keikosan1354 11 месяцев назад

    This is why I want to see this video, especially titanium and carbon fiber involved.

  • @seantw79
    @seantw79 11 месяцев назад +5

    And this is why you Don't make a submarine from carbon fibre

  • @chrishatton2642
    @chrishatton2642 Год назад +7

    Another interesting test would be to repeat the test with your samples being all of equal weight.

    • @schloughed
      @schloughed Год назад +1

      Nah, just do math.

    • @kekkomartin5848
      @kekkomartin5848 Год назад

      to get a stress strain curve, you need the cross sectional area, the weight is irrelevant. Since the bars were roughly the same size , you can almost factor it out. However, you're still looking at plastic failure, not elastic yield point. For real world results, you'd be more interested in the elastic yield point because usually after that point, your object won't work as intended anymore

  • @fredastaire6156
    @fredastaire6156 Год назад +1

    For me Aluminium and Titanium are the most ductile and best mass for mass for the application that I would use it for!
    Thanks!

  • @mrjkr4945
    @mrjkr4945 7 месяцев назад +1

    That high speed steel took the name to whole new level 😮

  • @MrSpleenboy
    @MrSpleenboy Год назад +34

    Honestly wasn't expecting the brass to snap like that
    I also thought the titanium would have lasted longer than the steel, given that it's always said to have better tensile strength than steel.
    Impressive how the titanium never gave way fully
    Aluminium did more or less what I expected, although I did expect it to actually break at some point

    • @kevinryan739
      @kevinryan739 Год назад

      looks like bronze.

    • @JansenX12
      @JansenX12 Год назад +4

      @@kevinryan739 bronze is more orange or red then brass. This is clearly brass

    • @ashscott6068
      @ashscott6068 Год назад +4

      As it deforms, it work-hardens and becomes brittle. If the piece had been thinner, it would have stayed soft. Or maybe it was already work-hardened. We don't know where the piece came from. Maybe it was rolled and never annealed. And titanium is comparable to a pretty mild low-carbon steel. Much stronger steels are available

    • @itztankerboy9325
      @itztankerboy9325 Год назад

      steel is more brittle titanium is softer

    • @TymaDem
      @TymaDem Год назад +1

      Didn't expect carbon to be so brittle

  • @Triggered-RC
    @Triggered-RC 11 месяцев назад +8

    Now which material would you want your sub made out of, Titanium or Carbon Fibre 😅

    • @carabinias6513
      @carabinias6513 11 месяцев назад

      The pressure chamber was made with titanium and 5mn of carbon fiber .
      Carbon fiber are usefull when the pressure is from inside but not when pressure force come from the outside

    • @SilverStarHeggisist
      @SilverStarHeggisist 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@carabinias6513 The tube was 5 inch of carbon fiber, only the end caps were titanium.

    • @davesmith9844
      @davesmith9844 11 месяцев назад

      @@SilverStarHeggisist ...actually, it was a thing titanium tube which was layered with 5" of carbon fibre XD

    • @isabelmauricio6394
      @isabelmauricio6394 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@davesmith9844Actually, it wasn't. It was all carbon fibre. Glued to titanium rings to attach the titanium end caps. A disaster waiting to happen.
      Even from the fact that it was a cylinder shape rather than a sphere. Much weaker.

    • @davesmith9844
      @davesmith9844 11 месяцев назад

      @@isabelmauricio6394 Actually, it was not, take a look at the video showing them manufacturing it. You'll see a thin titanium tube onto which they apply the carbon fibre which is exactly what they say when explaining what they're doing. How else would they make a cylinder from what essentially looks like a roll of carbon fibre tape, it has to be applied to something.

  • @akeuc5770
    @akeuc5770 5 месяцев назад

    Wow that was very interesting to know.🤓🎉

  • @Marcelojackbauer
    @Marcelojackbauer 11 месяцев назад

    Very interesting to see. Thanks.

  • @sebbel7
    @sebbel7 Год назад +5

    Could u do the same thing but with thermal vision?
    There is something called "motion amplification" for videos. Just an idea. Love your vids.

  • @leobard7767
    @leobard7767 Год назад +3

    I'm considering a yacht build, so thanks for this info. It's appreciated.
    My calcs show relative strength [stiffness] to weight ratios [in kg/g] of the following:
    Acrylic = 16
    Fibre glass = 31
    Aluminium = 25
    Carbon = 46
    Brass = 11
    Titanium = 54
    HSS = 50
    I would love to see Titanium alloys of aluminium and chome-molly, etc [you seem to have access to a good variety of stock].
    Sea bronze and admiralty brass too.
    Mild steel as a datumn?
    Cor-ten would also be great to see.
    As would other stainless allows such as 304, 316 and the 4 series.
    Your press-play rocks!
    :-)

  • @rainbow_vader
    @rainbow_vader Год назад +1

    "do not repeat at home"
    Damn it there goes my weekend plans

  • @thexwhats2989
    @thexwhats2989 8 месяцев назад

    It's cool seeing how deferent metals react differently

  • @gedwed6715
    @gedwed6715 Год назад +4

    As strong as I thought.
    But glass fiber is more powerful than I thought.

  • @makarov9x186
    @makarov9x186 11 месяцев назад +3

    After watching a few videos of this type showing both compression and sheer strength I'm starting to think ocean gate coulda had the same success with brass...

  • @jaems5567
    @jaems5567 Год назад

    Love the channel! But could you please wipe off the lens for the camera you use for your intros? Should clear up the shots and it's easy to do! Keep up the great content

  • @raunovittaniemi4905
    @raunovittaniemi4905 Год назад

    NICE testing......✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

  • @idiotburns
    @idiotburns Год назад +3

    Inconel?

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 11 месяцев назад +3

    CHP : don't do this at home
    Oceancrap's CEO Rush : they didn't advertise agaisnt testing this at sea...

  • @Ominous_guitars
    @Ominous_guitars 11 месяцев назад +1

    Can you do a Carbon Fiber+Kevlar combo. This is what is commonly used to beef up the carbon fibers strength. 5:1 carbon : Kevlar ratio. It’s what we used to use when I built race cars. I wonder how much stronger it is then just bare carbon

  • @bob456fk6
    @bob456fk6 11 месяцев назад

    This is very, very interesting! Thank you.
    Rush kept saying CF was cheaper but I haven't heard just how much cheaper is it than some appropriate material !?
    Even if it costs a million dollars more, a good sub would be reusable.

  • @Vip__honey
    @Vip__honey Год назад +7

    I respect everyone who were involved in this Seriously the best piece that i ve ever seen on RUclips 💌 Hate off to well all 💟 love your videos

  • @jaydeister9305
    @jaydeister9305 Год назад +3

    so fiberglass, a little bit weaker than carbon fiber, but didn't really break, might make for good bicycle frames, etc.(much cheaper also)

    • @TommyRaines
      @TommyRaines 11 месяцев назад

      Too flexible for bikes 😮

  • @joshuaewalker
    @joshuaewalker 11 месяцев назад

    Have you done this test with a similar bar of tungsten carbide? My two favorite medals, titanium and tungsten.

  • @AFloridaSon
    @AFloridaSon 11 месяцев назад

    I'm glad to see so many new comments. It's turns out that I'm not the only one who didn't completely understand what carbon fiber is.

  • @mrimposter3675
    @mrimposter3675 8 месяцев назад +6

    Who Watching this because of iPhone 15 pro titanium

  • @madcapmagician6018
    @madcapmagician6018 Год назад +19

    im surprised the carbon fiber didnt even get to 800 kg 🤯

    • @mattt198654321
      @mattt198654321 Год назад +25

      I'm not too surprised. The advantage of carbon fiber is weight to strength ratio. Not necessarily the raw strength of the material itself.

    • @lexavlogs7149
      @lexavlogs7149 Год назад +6

      Yes the ratio is 46 the hss steal 50
      And the best Titanium 54

    • @gabrielespindola4461
      @gabrielespindola4461 Год назад +14

      Carbon fiber strengh is mostlly against tention, against bending forces the strengh of the binding agent is the limiting factor.

    • @Hariri99999
      @Hariri99999 Год назад +5

      CF is strong along its fiber but not across 😢

    • @LeeMooEez
      @LeeMooEez Год назад +5

      You’ll not be surprised if you learn their real properties and application beforehand 😂 many thought that CF is some kind of magic material that can do everything LOL

  • @____JR____
    @____JR____ 11 месяцев назад +2

    Now that''s a scary test result.

  • @KingCrimson82
    @KingCrimson82 11 месяцев назад +1

    fiber does brake faster of it is cut as a block or a square stick, if the material is broader than thick, like a sheet or a tube, the fiber appears to supports its structure longer, so that it can bend further than what we see here, like maybe 20%. Very curious whats left of the hull.