@MolecularArts oooff...that would be tough. You wouldn't really know if you are reviewing She-Hulk or something that escaped from a nostril. That green snot can be a real biatch.
Mariko Temaki is a good writer within her one niche. That niche sadly is not superhero stories but instead Young Adult Romance and Sexuality Slice of Life. I feel double about her work, as I actually enjoyed her work outside of superhero settings. The problem is she is only good at her one thing, and they are trying to push her square peg of YA Romance into the round hole of Superhero Comics.
It finally struck me. Back in the 00's, there was a sketch show on British TV called That Mitchell and Webb Look, and one of the recurring sketches was about a pair of lazy TV writers being interviewed about their latest (terrible) show, and I get the impression that the whole point of this show - and many others running right now - is that the writers are re-enacting those sketches, but actually producing the shit-awful TV shows, and laughing all the way to the bank.
They've said they got together and told their most embarrassing stories and that's what they wrote. You can tell that each episode is written by a different person which I think is one of the biggest issues with current shows. There's no cohesion.
You're saying Jennifer Gao isn't just fending off hot dudes on Tinder left and right? Surely EVERY man wants to date an abrasive, fat, alcoholic, arrogant, delusional middle-aged woman.
As a fan of Bryne era She Hulk, all I have to say is THANK YOU! in less than 10 mins, you said what I have been saying for weeks, and catching hell for it online. MCU She Hulk IS NOT SHE HULK!
I too have noticed that the show doesn't seem to like anyone - it doesn't like men, it constantly abuses the Jen character in one form or another, it doesn't like the traditional fans or lore, there's no concern for society at large . . . its like the writers are angry with or dislike everyone, including themselves. Usually a show has an affection for one group or another, but not here. Thanks for the video, glad you are feeling better!
Hello, Paul. No apologies needed. "She-Hulk" is still an OK show for me, to be honest, but I don't judge those who hate it or those who love it. Keep up the good work, my friend! ;)
Great analysis as always. My theory is the writers used the wikipedia page of She Hulk as the basis for the TV show. I highly doubted they took the time to read the comics since those were for kids and not for grown women with dating issues. Best Fran Drescher reference so far.. The Nanny reboot !! LOL
Imagine if they had used this show to tie in with the events of WandaVision, and had She-Hulk defend Wanda from a civil suit brought by the citizens of the town she tortured for several weeks. Moral ambiguities addressed, wrongs righted, and Phase 4 brought to a close in a completed circle of atonement and forgiveness. What a lost opportunity.
Hey, this is a little off-topic but I found where the writer's room for the rings of power got their source material form. I got some extra fortune cookies and they went like this: "It's your attitude, not your aptitude that determines your altitude", "It is not the plan that is important it is the planning", and finally" Keep on charging the enemy so long as there is life".
Wow! You solved it! All I can offer is unrelated ancient wisdom: If you have a bad day, give up. Not every day can become a good day. Go home and sleep.
I watched a compilation of the Daredevil scenes and that's it. I'm taking my 6½ minutes and running. I watch your witty videos to keep up with the series
Great insight, as per usual. I believe that the introduction of Matt Murdock into this series basically sums up how bad the writers are, especially when it comes to their (attempted) comedy. First of all, the fashion designer, without even turning around, points backwards as Matt Murdock opens the door when he enters the courtroom, as if this guy had any idea who was coming in the door at that time. Is this what they mean by "Fashion Sense?" Really, though, the kicker is when Matt Murdock delivers his "dad joke." I'm a dad, and so appreciated the "I had trouble finding parking" gag. It was a silly comment by Murdock, but it was meant to be .... however, what highlights the writer's incompetence is that they had Matt follow that up with "just kidding." The joke should've ended with "parking." That's it. Everyone in the courtroom knew it was a joke. He's blind. They all get it. The judge probably would've had a good chuckle. Everyone would've. There was NO NEED for the "just kidding." The writers just don't understand timing, and since they don't, they don't understand comedy. Case closed, your honor.
ItsAGundam did a very thorough side-by-side as well. They make a lot of the same points, but of course it is always great to get a former network executive perspective.
Thank you for taking the time to go to the source material. The time and effort you put into these reviews is most apparent here - so when you interject your opinion (like-v-hate) it has foundation. I look forward to more going forward..... Just promise you'll never review my IP if it takes off!
I never took the scene where Daredevil left the next morning as a “walk of shame”. He was smiling, whistling, and gleefully said good morning to a stranger. It wasn’t until Mexican Nanny called it a “walk of shame” that I rolled my eyes.
I was repulsed when I first saw it before the slut friend said anything. Just because he was written to be smiling and whistling doesn't make it any less degrading.
Well, it clearly was a walk of shame. Why would Daredevil walk barefoot and hold his shoes like, you know, a "lady" who carries her heels and walks barefoot, because they are uncomfortable to walk in, especially after she did all night? She does not need to look galmorous anymore, so she takes them off to just walk home. Daredevil's shoes are... shoes. Not to look good, but to be funtioncal. They are probably the most comfy shoes, because he needs to do his superhero work in them, so why does he take them off? Because it's the visual cliché of the walk of shame. But this whole scene didn't make any sense anyway. Why would Daredevil in FULL COSTUME walk around so casually in broad daylight? Wouldn't he be swinging from rooftop to rooftop to get wherever the hell he needs to be? Why wouldn't he call his "driver" or a friend to pick him up? Did anyone see him walk out Jen's appartmen as Daredevil? I rolled my eyes, because there is SO MUCH wrong with this scene. It's ridiculously stupid.
@@Haterator They purposely made it a “walk of shame” with what Mexican Nanny called it and the way they had him do it …..as you said…visually. The scene was nothing but to push “women empowerment” while demoralizing a man. Charlie Cox probably don’t care…he’s getting a steady paycheck and a new 18 episode series. I’m a disappointed in him for agreeing to it. My point is walks of shame usually reflect a woman embarrassed and ashamed. Daredevil didn’t look like either one of those. So they actually messed everything up from all angles. It wasn’t funny and it didn’t even make any sense.
Wow. You said EXACTLY what l was thinking when l saw the “walk of shame” footage. I just smh. It was great to see Charlie Cox as Daredevil again. I can only HOPE and PRAY that Disney treats his new show with the love and respect that they did on Netflix. However, l am not holding my breath…
The head writer was working for Rick and Morty, and this show is exactly like that with the humor style being random, and the characters having no consistency. Its just that Rick and Morty had better writers on the team that could work well in that style.
plus it has better direction overall. even if a joke in RaM falls flat you can still enjoy its fallout. In this show if a joke falls flat you are left with a Marrianas trench worth of cringe.
Another thing, R&M uses the framework of Back to the Future to set up it's irreverence. They're applying the same formula to She-Hulk but it doesn't work. One because She-Hulk isn't irreverent, she's clearly defined. Two, R&M also struggles with likeable characters. While we enjoy watching the dysfunction of R&M where everyone is basically an awful person, it doesn't work here where we need to empathize and root for our "hero". Plus R&M is mostly funny, while this show is decidedly not.
Yeah the comic book from back in the day was great. The writers now just don't respect what their peers before them had to go through just to make a character feel a live. They were just given a job and did what ever.
Something I noticed with this week's episode is that the writers' only form of comedy is stupidity. They don't set up for a joke or have any sense for irony... its just character says something really dumb and maybe, or not, another character reacts... ha ha, funny!
He’s not the only one though: "So social issues I try to get in in the background, or underlying a plot, but never to the point of letting interfere with a story or hitting the reader over the head. - STAN LEE GROTH: How did you feel about the Senate Subcommittee Hearings? Did you think that was a witch-hunt, or did you think there was any validity to the public's concern? KIRBY: I didn't feel one way or another about it. I was only hoping that it would come out well enough to continue comics, that it wouldn't damage comics in anyway, so I could continue Working. I was a young man. I was still growing out of the East Side. The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I'd beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it. GROTH: Were you very political? KIRBY:I wasn't then. I was very concerned with comics. I'm political now. I knew this much - that everybody voted Democrat down my way. If you were poor, you voted Democrat and if you were rich you voted Republican. Power doesn't corrupt. It's neutral. Someone always wants to corrupt power. It's the way a shotgun is not a deadly weapon until someone chooses to use it irrationally. STEVE DITKO Prolific Batman writer and the creator of the villain Bane, Chuck Dixon, recently explained why politics do not belong in superhero comics. Dixon shared his thoughts in his most recent episode of Ask Chuck Dixon where he was asked by Chris Cueva, “Are you against politics in comics completely?” Dixon answered the question stating, “Absolutely not. I’ve written political books. I did The Forgotten Man, a history of the Great Depression, adapting Amity Shlaes epic, epic history of some of the darkest years in American history.” He continued, “I don’t think it’s political, but it is because it’s seen to have a conservative viewpoint, it’s very down on the New Deal, which I don’t think history is going to judge well in the end. So I’ve done that.” “Clinton Cash a far more political book. An adaptation of Peter Schweizer’s exposure of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s rather tawdry work with their foundation and how basically they used it to enrich themselves. It’s purely political. So I’m not against politics in comics. I’m not against anybody’s politics in comics,” he detailed. Dixon then went on to discuss that he read Spain Rodriguez’s Trashman series. He said, “Back in the underground days I used to read Trashman by Spain Rodriguez. It basically calls for Marxist revolution in the United States, bloody Marxist revolution. It’s very anti-American. Very anti-white when you get right down to it. He elaborated, “I dug the energy of it. I didn’t believe in any of it. I didn’t agree with any of it, but I certainly respected Spain Rodriguez’s right to make any comic book he wants.” Dixon then transitioned to explain why he believes politics doesn’t belong in superhero comics. He explained, “My problem with politics in comics is when you mix it with mainstream comics. When superheroes take a side, decide that they’re Democrat or Republican. And 99.99% of the time they are going to side with the Democrat. Where one president is seen as a hero and the other one is seen as an ogre or a coward or whatever depending on their party line. Now, like the old Mad Magazine, if comics were to either elevate or mock each president with the same severity to the same level I’d be fine with it. But this is politics being put into a place it does not belong. Politics does not belong in superhero comics,” Dixon declared. He explained, “My problem with politics in comics is when you mix it with mainstream comics. When superheroes take a side, decide that they’re Democrat or Republican. And 99.99% of the time they are going to side with the Democrat. Where one president is seen as a hero and the other one is seen as an ogre or a coward or whatever depending on their party line.” “Now, like the old Mad Magazine, if comics were to either elevate or mock each president with the same severity to the same level I’d be fine with it. But this is politics being put into a place it does not belong. Politics does not belong in superhero comics,” Dixon declared. He then asserted, “I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again. I’m a comics fan, you’re a comics fan, but let’s face it these characters were created to entertain children. They were never meant to be political. They were never meant to be literature. They were never meant to be meaningful. They were just meant to be good solid American red-blooded entertainment. And putting politics into it, ruins it. It ruins anything.” “If you made a political Kung Fu movie, I would say the same thing. Get off it. Stop doing that,” he concluded. What do you make of Dixon’s explanation about why politics do not belong in superhero comics?”
You continue to deliver reviews with more care and thought put into than any of the shows you review and I can only respect you for it. I get so frustrated because I want these shows to be good. I like She-Hulk, I want to see a show where I can root for her and see her being a 21st century Xena Lawyer Princess but instead we get something that almost seems deliberately written to be as off-putting as possible to fans of the comic book character. Why do these cynical self-absorbed assholes keep getting handed famous and beloved properties, only for them to use that as a backdrop for whatever insipid self-insert drama they alone are interested in? Get well soon, Chato. I wish the industry had even half of the common sense knowledge you have about what does and what doesn't work in a show.
its kind of funny how it always happens where in for many of the these female super heros today if they just stuck to the source material it would have probably easily been a good girlboss story.
I can't take credit for this comment, but I can share it. "From SPZ Aruba - It's not about remaking a good movie or series. It's about breaking the culture who love it. "
"Why do these cynical self-absorbed assholes keep getting handed famous and beloved properties, only for them to use that as a backdrop for whatever insipid self-insert drama they alone are interested in?" The Emperor NEVER had any clothes. Most of the producers and writers of these series got their jobs from friends, never from merit -- OR, they did movies and shows that did enough box office that they STILL got their jobs, regardless of their personal lack of talent. I don't believe the Disney and Marvel executives in power were successful for the MCU's success. I would say the primary architects for the MCU's success were people (Jon Favreau, Robert Downey, etc.) hired well before (pre-Disney Marvel buyout) Kevin Feige, Victoria Alonso, and all the other current hacks became the day-to-day runners of Marvel Studios. I WOULD blame the hack results of Phase 4 MCU on Feige, Alonso, AND the Disney people for sure!
As has been said, they were so desperate to make sure Bruce got no real credit for her creation, that they wasted a very compelling arc. There could have been real drama around Bruce having to make the choice to give her a blood transfusion after the accident. He would know what a curse being a Hulk is, but she would need his blood to survive. So he would be torn on what to do. If he also had to do this while she was unconscious, there would be real discussions about the limits of consent. etc. But no, she's a strong powerful woman (even before she was She-Hulk) and she don't need no man. Even at the expense of some very compelling TV.
I feel like this show is my cursed monkey paw wish I made in 2013. *Good grief.* I grew up reading the *Dan Slott* _She-Hulk_ comics, so I appreciate you examining the source material. The comics are great because they lean into such a unique comedy angle, i.e. the legal ramifications of crazy comic book imagination. It's an ingenious side of the genre and presented so many clever, funny situations - even in the background gags. One of my favourites is seeing a 1940s hero, Challenger, who has accidentally travelled forward in time to the present, seeking legal advice on getting his will reversed so he can get his possessions back. Nothing to do with the main story, but it's loaded with so much humanity and character. Miles ahead of this show. There's a lot of coat tail riding going on here; The writers are merely wearing the façade of She-Hulk to vent some massive insecurities. I'd feel sorry for them if it wasn't fuelled by a contemptuous mindset. _(beleaguered sigh)_
I loved hearing the comparison between comic and show. I have been a fan of the comics for years and had been eager to see this show when it was announced. I would love to hope that if there's a season 2 they realize they need better writers.
Great points as always. I dabble in writing, only self published so far, but I like to take my shots at how I'd handle something this is my shot with She Hulk Where this show instantly became over woke and unpopular is when Jen rants about how she's always angry over cat calling and mansplaining, Now I have adult daughters, and I know those things exist and are rude and annoying, but...a source of rage? Come on and that really sealed its fate early(not as early as the BS origin, but one attempt at a time) What if...Jen confesses to Bruce she was sexually assaulted at some point? And she couldn't come forward because the guy had money and power and perhaps in her field of work and could have ended her career. First, this is realistic because many women don't come forward and for the reason why just look at how any woman accusing a man who is a public figure is treated. In the NFL the Browns gave 230 million to a man with 24 allegations of assault against him. Think about that, this happens to many women. So...if she goes on to say she was violated, hurt, and has had to live with the fact it happened and nothing could be done about it...and THAT is why she is always angry...now you have two things. you have a reason to be angry people can understand and you instantly made her sympathetic and humanized her. It would also speak to an actual cause and important issue to women. Look, most women tuned out when she said cat calling and MS was something to be that crazed over. Just because a guy does either of those things doesn't make him evil, just an immature jerk, but rape? That's a type of man you can hate and most men would line up with the women to hate them as well Woke continues to eliminate just about every faction of viewership other than the complete far left lunatic But just as woke culture won't allow a woman to be saved by a man they can no longer have a tragic back story either, she has been winning since she learned to ride her bike. The heroes journey removed. This is why Jessica Jones worked, she was raped and suffers from PTSD over it which is part of her anger and drinking problem, and that show did very well because it showed the real shit people go through
I think the episodes are all different because they're *still* trying to find their audience; for all the "THIS SHOW ISN'T FOR YOU!" hemming and hawwing, I don't think the writers know who their audience actually is.. ..aside from the writers themselves, of course.
honestly the idea of starting the show with her origin being connected to her job is ideal, it should open with a courtroom scene prosecuting a major case with her questioning a guy on the stand and gaining ground, not winning the case but getting something esablished that unlocks another avenue (think like when Amber Heard slipped up and mentioned Kate Moss on the stand) she calls for a new witness due to the new info, and the case is paused untill the next day. Little does she know that win has just painted a target on her back, she then meets Banner at a dinner meeting, he's seeking legal advice from his hot shot lawyer relative that he doesnt see much of, you can have them cover the fact we have never heard of her with him apologising for not seeing much of his extended family in years and only contacting her when he needs something, with her apologising back saying she was so busy with her work as a lawyer she barely had time to fit him in as it was, she gives him advice and give him the details of someone who specialises with his issue and can help him maybe evern referencing how busy she is with a BIG CASE before the assasination attempt, hulk saves the day and she gets hurt, when she wakes up and realises what happened she gets ANGRY!, you can establish her competence as a lawyer and how successful she is FIRST so it means something to lose it, going from 12 hour days to unemployed would be a huge deal and the start of an insecurity issue that could follow her around making her super scared of losing the new job, you could also have the case come back around and have her catch the crime boss who ordered the assasination by foiling crimes later in the show because she had been stopped from doing it in the court room, having a crime boss would also have been a legitimate way of bringing daredevil in for multiple cameos allowing them to fall fo each other over time rather than just a one night stand, Sigh, ah the most painful part of famdom, thinking about what COULD have been😢
She never had to get angry to become She-Hulk, though. She did have to learn how to control it to avoid shifting back and forth unexpectedly, but part of the deal was that she didn't lose her mental faculties while in her Hulk form.
@@anonygent true but getting angry and emotional could easily be justified for her reflexive physical transformation the first time, she wouldnt lose her mind she'd just change then she could react to her own transformation with panic and fear - initially, only for her to decide she's fine and can cope with it because her carrer is more important, then you have her lose her job and react moodily/ angrilly and inadvertantly rip a couple of heavy door off their hinges or something because she is unaware of her own strength, causing her to ask Bruce for some help adjusting, deffinately keeping the whole "spandex is your best freind" bit
@@stevenr6397 Well, as you said, what might have been. Personally, I was thinking that a perfect introduction episode or second episode after her origin story would have been her transforming accidentally in the courtroom and scaring everyone to death, changing back and apologizing, having the judge tell her to never do that again, and then her saving the jury or the judge himself a short time later by transforming into She-Hulk to stop a runaway truck or something. Then she could say something legalistic to the judge like, "Permission to change just this once?" and the judge saying something funny like, "I'll allow it."
Thanks Chato. The things that comes across, not only from you but other people who comments on shows, is that the writers suck. I can't wait for your phone to ring again. Glad to know your feeling better.
Riding in a car with a drunken woman driving careening from shoulder to shoulder. And as a complete aside, I really enjoy both your content and delivery.
"So social issues I try to get in in the background, or underlying a plot, but never to the point of letting interfere with a story or hitting the reader over the head.” - Stan Lee As the indefatigable 92-year-old superhero conjurer and Marvel Comics chairman emeritus sees it, fan backlash up until this point hasn't so much been spurred on by racism as much as unyielding fealty to the source material. "They're outraged not because of any personal prejudice, Lee says. "They're outraged because they hate to see any change made on a series and characters they had gotten familiar with. In Spider- Man, when they got a new actor, that bothered them, even though it was a white actor. I don't think it had to do with racial prejudice as much as they don't like things changed." “I wouldn't mind. if Peter Parker had originally been black. a Latino, an lndian or anything else that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. I dont see any reason to change that. It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti- black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it's so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to.” -Stan Lee GROTH: How did you feel about communism then? KIRBY: Oh, communism! That was a burning issue. It was an outrageous issue. To be termed a communist would damage your whole family, damage your whole world- your friends wouldn't talk to you. I'm talking about other people -because I wouldn't go near the stuff. Sure, I was against the reds. I became a witch hunter. My enemies were the commies -I called them commies. In fact, Granny Goodness was a commie, Doubleheader was a commie. STAN'S SOAPBOX “This month we're gonna yak about something that has nothing to do with our mags! Over the years we've re ceived a zillion letters asking for the Builpen's opinion about such diverse subjects as Viet Nam, civil rights, the war on poverty, and the upcoming elec tion. We're fantasmagorically fiattered that our opinion wouid matter to you, but here's the hang-up: there ISN'T any unanimous Bullpen opinion about any thing. except possibly mother Iove and apple pie! Take the election, for exam ple. Soine of us are staunch Demo- crats. and others dyed-in-the-wool publicans. As for Yours Truly and a few others, we prefer to judge the person, rather than the party line. That's why we seek to avoid editorializing about controversial issues not because we haven't our opinions, but rather be cause we share the same diversity of opinion as Americans everywhere. But. we'd like to go on record about one vital issue we believe that Man has a divine destiny, and an awesome re sponsibility the responsibility of treating all who share this wondrous world of ours with tolerance and re spect judging each fellow human on his own merit, regardless of race, creed, or color. That we agree on and we'll never rest until it, becomes a fact, rather than just a cherished dream. Excelsior, Smiley.” GROTH: How did you feel about the Senate Subcommittee Hearings? Did you think that was a witch-hunt, or did you think there was any validity to the public's concern? KIRBY: I didn't feel one way or another about it. I was only hoping that it would come out well enough to continue comics, that it wouldn't damage comics in anyway, so I could continue Working. I was a young man. I was still growing out of the East Side. The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I'd beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it. GROTH: Were you very political? KIRBY:I wasn't then. I was very concerned with comics. I'm political now. I knew this much - that everybody voted Democrat down my way. If you were poor, you voted Democrat and if you were rich you voted Republican. STARLOG: We all noticed the lack of women in the Star Wars trilogy. Are you go- ing to bring more women in for future Star Wars films? LUCAS: Well, what of Princess Leia? When you're making a war film, how are you going to put women in it? Think of other war films, think of The Longest Day, those films. Well, it's your galaxy; I have to go with the rest of the world. And still make it believable. I'm not sure how many women will be in the rest of the films; that's the kind of thing that plots dictate. What would Star Wars have been like if Han Solo had been a woman? “Still others picked up on Lucas's Vietnam allegory, though Lucas, wary of politics, publicly disavowed any and all sociopolitical theories and quashed any speculation on the deeper meaning of his film. For Lucas, it was enough that Star Wars could be merely entertaining-and entirely the point.” “FOOLS WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S INHU- MAN TO LIVE BY BLACK AND WHITE PRINCIPLES BUT HUMAN TO ACCEPT AND PRACTISE GREY PRINCIPLES. TO BE CORRUPI. TO COMPROMISE WITH EVIL! THERE 1S NO MIDDLE OF THE ROAD BETWEEN GOOD A ND EVIL!THE Y ARE NOT TWO ROADS GOING IN THE SAME DIRECTI ON BUT OPPOSI TE ROADS TO DIFFERENT GOALS! YOUR CHOICE OF ACTIONS WILL DE - TERM INE IN WHICH DIRECTION YOU WILL LEAD YOURSELF ! CHO OSE YOUR ROAD- NO ONE CAN DO IT FOR YOU!” Copyright Steve Ditko 1963 "Star Wars deals with the essential problem: Is the machine going to control humanity, or is the machine going to serve humanity? Darth Vader is a man taken over by a machine, he becomes a machine, and the state itself is a machine. There is no humanity in the state. What runs the world is economics and politics, and they have nothing to do with the spiritual life." - Joseph Campbel From "PW Interviews Joseph Campbell, by Chris Goodrich" Publisher's Weekly (August 23, 1985, p.74-75) “Great storytelling is what’s important. The Stories that aren’t political at all and are based on good writing, good characters , deeper lessons, morals and entertainment as well as the stories that do have political elements but are more focused on an engaging story,a well thought out lesson or idea behind it and interesting characters are the stories that make great entertainment. As my film teacher taught me Art before politics, always. The story & characters comes first whether the politics are subtle, secondary or completely non existent.” - DAN FILMS Great now let’s clear up any false narrative about the great storytellers of old. They were not the kind of political activist mostly failing to write comics today the modern ones anyway. It doesn’t matter what politics they believed conservative, liberal, traditional, progressive if they even believed in any because a lot of them were also apolitical when making comics, movies etc. You had a lot of apolitical comics back in the day when comics were first being made especially early DC & early marvel. When social or political topics would come up in a story they would either be subtle, secondary to the great plots, and well made characterization and/or intelligent written to the point that it actually felt like the storyteller has something to say that was worth while like Steve Ditko, Alan Moore & Frank Miller which trust me when I tell you all three have wildly different political views. Steve Ditko was one of those Ayn Rand conservative or libertarian types. Stan Lee had a 60’s Liberal thing going on but he helped make Iron Man specifically to trick the hippy crowd in his day into liking a rich weapons arms dealer. Jack Kirby was apolitical for most of his comic book making career the only time he got political was when nut like Hitler would turn up. These guys showed that whether the comics were apolitical or political free as like to mockingly call them Or subtle when it came to political intent that they would make good stories. Good stories weren’t sacrificed just to get a political point across. That’s what Stan Lee means by hitting people over the head.
When you need to know just exactly why something is bothering you in the hijacked nerdyverse, Chato is here to show what's behind the curtain. That reminds me. I need to watch Wizard of Oz again. I'm due for some good cinema.
TThank you, I gave up watching SH 2 episodes ago and my concession is watching you in the hope you reveal new writers and a show worth watching. I will keep that slot in my life for tik tok or shorts until I hear otherwise.
So despite all the different opinions and perspectives I decided to watch the first episode of SHE HULK. It felt Meh as hell. There were moments that were funny, the bonding between Bruce & Jen was ok, the Woke moments were cringey, and the character development for everyone needs work. The writing wasn’t the best as I felt despite the jokes which some were funny & some were not the show felt mostly boring and overall plotless for the time being. The show itself at the moment is just ok for me in the extreme meh category, it didn’t grab me that much. So I decided as a comic book fan to go back and read the first few issues of She Hulk that I hadn’t read in years to compare the two and oh boy , man I’m amazed! It all came back to me how great She Hulk is in The Comics! So Bruce being the lonely tragic figure he is goes to see his cousin Jen after continuously hiding from society due to his issues as THE HULK. 😂 😂 😂 When he tells her about his situation he explains his origins. I like how Jen calls him Doc man that never gets old. Speaking of that, her bond with Bruce isn’t just genuine but it shows neither of them going off about who’s better then the other, at least not yet. They just seem to genuinely care about each other as family. Jen is way more interesting as a character in the comics. Spoilers but In the show’s first episode I kept seeing characters praise her non stop. Her friend says she’s a great lawyer, Bruce is constantly amazed by her in most ways but this issue seems to focus on her flaws. The Issue shows her as a kind of thrill seeking person who isn’t afraid of her own mortality and is willing to put herself in risking situations for her job. She’s pretty confident to a fault and it really grabs me. Her dynamic also balances Bruce’s cautious personality due to his situation. In the show their sibling like bond feels genuine too but it mostly feels like a back in fourth between cousins in competitiveness, like who’s better at being a Hulk or who can handle their anger better, but in this issue they’re just concerned about each other’s well being. This goes back to one of my issues with the show before I even saw the first episode what was wrong with Bruce saving his cousin after she tragically got shot? Why did that have to be changed in the show for a car accident in which Jen saves Bruce? What was so wrong with her initial origin? Instead of some random space ship appearing and a car accident after discussing Captain America’s past virginity 😂 😂 😂 I’m sorry but I was more interested in the conversation about Jen’s case as a lawyer in the comics. Y’know the one that shows her character flaws, focuses squarely on her possible future development or future regression as a character. Instead of a dumb sex joke. Maybe I’m being too harsh but her initial introduction was a lot better in this issue. Bruce wants revenge for Jen but decides to help her as Bruce and not THE HULK doing a sacrifice of blood transfusion to save her life. After saving her life Bruce calls the cops but when they grow suspicious of him he escapes before they can question him further. Jen learns that Bruce was right about the dangers of her case with the criminals involved which shows actual character development. I’m noticing a reversal in the comics and in the show. In the show Jennifer is very against being she hulk wanting to be normal again, and not being a superhero where as in The comics Jennifer now wants to be she hulk and believes her past identity isn’t enough. In the comics Bruce saves Jennifer after being attacked and gives her his blood but in the show Jennifer saves Bruce after a car accident , her getting his blood was an accident then Bruce stops Jennifer from attacking guys who were apparently harassing her on the street. Yeah the first issue was better then the first episode by miles. Sad to see this be She Hulk’s introduction into The MCU.
As much as I love seeing everyday, amateurs doing reviews on youtube (myself included), it's nice once in a while to see a pro at work. All you need is a more intersesting background, maybe a little set, and you could put this straight onto regular TV. You've already got your catchphrases and catchy theme music.
They say that the first rule of writing is "Write what you know." But I think that is becoming more of a detriment than a help for these writers because apparently all they know is misandry and crude jokes. If it wasn't for Tatiana Maslany's actually very engaging performance and the promise of Daredevil I wouldn't have watched any of these episodes except the one with Daredevil in it. And I get the feeling I wouldn't have missed anything because except for one scene here and one scene there the overall story hasn't moved at all.
I watched the first two episodes, then stopped. I did watch this last episode however (because i understood the writers seemed to be taking a swing at Doomcock of the Overlord DVD channel. That was fun to see and hope to see Doomcock get another 100,000 more subs from the free advertising. I must admit I've got no knowledge of the comic book She-Hulk and I've watched DareDevil previously. This episode wasn't too bad on the surface of it. I even got a chuckle from it in one or two places. I got to admit there was actual chemistry between SH and DD. As a sitcom it has about as much as Gilligan's Island or Scrubs about it. To pass the time, nothing to think about. A sitcom doesn't need perfect SFX or graphics. It was watchable which is more than I can say for the first two episodes (that stopped me watching). It was 'cute'. But does it make be want to go back and watch the season - hell no.
There are two types of great stories when it comes to this method: stories that are apolitical with great characters, writing & moral lessons or none, and then there are stories that have political elements but put the quality of the writing and characters, & moral lessons first. Whether either type of story is apolitical or has political elements deep philosophy, morality, & mythology can often play a role in sharpening the story, once you form your morals for a story into ideas over just using them for government or social policy statements you can grab anyone within an audience no matter who they are or what they believe that is the gift of good storytelling Modern SJW’s unfortunately don’t have that gift because for them there is nothing deeper then the physical realm they see and often hate so instead of forming deep intelligent universal themes or ideas through the magic of storytelling they try to bend those themes or ideas to their will ,thoughts and beliefs. They can’t form their morals into ideas so often they come off as just government or policy statements without the feeling of anything deeper to an audience turning most people off whether they do or don’t agree with them or are indifferent to begin with.
Starship Troopers (film) is my absolute favorite story & writing with political undertones/satire, and I dare say likely one of the best ever. Show, not tell. Hopefully that's an example.
@@namename2215 although everyone knew what the director was trying to say in that movie, the film was so over the top that it superseded the message. It remained first and foremost as entertainment that had parody.
Great storytelling is what’s important. The Stories that aren’t political at all and are based on good writing, good characters , deeper lessons, morals and entertainment as well as the stories that do have political elements but are more focused on an engaging story,a well thought out lesson or idea behind it and interesting characters are the stories that make great entertainment. As my film teacher taught me Art before politics, always. The story & characters comes first whether the politics are subtle, secondary or completely non existent.
@@LateralTwitlerLToh these are totally my own words I just paste them in many videos that bring up these topics. You’ve probably come across them before for that reason. I also have more then one account on RUclips so that’s probably another reason why your confused.
Thanks to your videos like these I get to decide to whether watch any popular shows or not to save some time. I'm still surprised why Kevin Feige has not say anything about why this Abomination had so little respect to the source material.
While watching She-Hulk episode 8, I had kind of eerie feeling that when Matt Murdock made his first appearance that someone had informed the writers to make Matt look as good as possible to advertise his future series. In an attempt to make Daredevil look good the writers pulled from their toolkit the only thing they knew how to do, make another character look much worse. There are reviews stating Daredevil was destroyed in episode 8 of She-Hulk, I think in large they are referring to Matt and Jen hooking up, and the pointless walk of shame scene, while it was in my opinion the exact opposite. Matt Murdock and Matt as Daredevil both made She-Hulk look like a clueless amateur, even with the only thing Jen was supposed to be good at. You'd expect a lawyer from a huge law firm to be able to dominate a lawyer from a small independent firm, yet the opposite happened. Due to the obvious and even stated admission that the writers had no experience with court room law shows, the only thing they could do was make Jennifer Walters look like a complete amateur in her profession. She-Hulk is contending with Rings of Power at the moment for most poorly written show to date. Low tier CW shows catalog what happened in the previous episodes as to not stumble over something that happened to avoid consistency problems the writers of She-Hulk don't appear to have any sort of measurable metric at all.
The walk of shame part is one of the reasons Daredevil fans don't care for this episode, but it's not the main complaint. It's that SheHulk saved him when his fight scenes in the previous Daredevil show were the best parts. They were often one long continuous shot rather than lots of cuts you see normally. Especially in how she "saved" him. Daredevil doesn't need saving is the issue for them. Having her save him lessens him as a character.
@@debanydoombringer1385 The walk of shame also doesn't fit with his character. Daredevil was a brooding, self-sabotaging, martyr with incredibly strong Catholic convictions. He's not another fuck boi who gets tossed out by a woman. He's a heartbreaker due to his own unhappiness, in his own show or even in the comics where he did sleep around a lot.
To be fair, Matt Murdock was a highly competent lawyer in the comics. He worked for a small law firm by choice, and because he was blind. Wasn't he a prosecutor at one point as well?
@@debanydoombringer1385 I have to disagree somewhat because She-Hulk didn't save him. He was in no peril at the time. The goons were in the process of rushing towards him but that doesn't mean anything in the light of someone with Daredevil's skill set. She just showed how juvenile, impetuous and reckless she is by bursting through the roof onto the bad guys (which should have killed them by the way). That did nothing to diminish Daredevil's character. That walk of shame though...it was so degrading. As a male, I would not have agreed to shoot that scene.
I am so glad I didn’t waste any time on this thing. If you want something really hilarious to review, do the new Hocus Pocus 2 movie. I’m not gonna spoil it but it contains examples of nearly everything you’ve said. I swear it’s tailor made for you. ;-)
I commend your ability to shine spotlights on how successful TV structures work! It helps ground the reality of why shows are bad or miss their mark in a sea of defensive PR. In the comicbook genre it's amazing how quickly showrunners disregard decades of plots and character development. Keep up your insights! Perhaps present some fun exercises like how M*A*S*H or any Normal Lear show would be different if made today?
Actually a pretty good analysis. I enjoyed the show for what it was. It only being 30 minutes long made it easy to consume. Naturally I would have preferred to watch Daredevil over She-Hulk, but it was casually consumable. The problems you list out are spot on. It could have been better and I agree if they remained truer to the comic book we would have gotten a better product. The Daredevil scenes were the best part of the show and I agree with your point on chemistry between the two characters and actors.
"I would say that this was The Best episode to date. Best, of course, is relative." - Paul Chato, "She-Hulk Episode 8 versus the original comics" That immediately reminded me of a quote I heard years ago by drive-In movie critic Joe Bob Briggs: "Hey, I'm Joe Bob Briggs and I'm here to guide you through what most people consider the _masterpiece_ of Ray Dennis Steckler's career. Of course, that's kind of like saying the best downhill skier in Mexico." - Joe Bob Briggs commentary from a "The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!?" DVD. Great quotes! The Steckler movie and She-Hulk TV episodes? Not so much. Sad when the best parts of the entertainment business are comedians slamming them for how bad they are. =)
Well done, as always. And the cold I caught from you has gone away! You mentioned contrived writing. That might be an interesting topic for a video. Just spitballing. Have a good *cough cough* oh no! It's back!
I know that I am late to the party 🥳🎉 but I have to say that you bring a refreshing take on the show. I have learned to analyze and not just scream that a show SUCKS!!! But none the less the walk of shame was more Deadpool than Dare Devil.
Chato what's up bud, you OK? you're so uncharacteristically calm. Your humor has gone from savage and biting to subtle and understated. Great video, just want to make sure your ok, I know you're still trying to feel better. Best wishes
2:50 “Pathetic lonely woman desperate for a date.” Sounds like that passes the Bechdel Test… 😂 4:00 How about a scene where she is discussing a case with a colleague while she is trying to make copies. She hulks out over the copy machine, and the next scene you see the copy machine flying out the window, through a flock of birds, past a jet running drills, past a satellite, and back down into the Himalayas? Maybe make her male colleague a prankster always setting up little booby traps made out of stationary. Jen engages in the prank war, and they take turns one-upping each other while you see her skin flash green after especially good pranks. Throughout the season, you see her able to control her rage more due to the training received in dealing with these pranks. The season finale reveals a deeper interest in her that Jen is not quite sure is real or perceived. Use the friendly rivalry as the Pug’s way of hiding his deeper affection for Jen as he doesn’t feel like he would ever have a chance with her. Maybe even give him an uncharacteristic heroic moment or two that puts him in a position to be save by Jen. I find that reciprocal heroics engages a larger audience as it allows different people to relate to the characters. The prank war has to steadily escalate showing the rivals as equally devious and creative while showing that the competition makes both of them better. Allow different pranks to reveal things about each character to the audience and to each other while some of those revelations occur only for the audience.
So, why did they even made this "series" in the first place?, the more i learn about it (thanks to you and overlord dvd mostly), the more i get this odd sensation that this series existence is some bad attempt at "badmouthing" classic superheroes, INCLUDING She-Hulk. Thanks a lot, Mr. Chato.
I love this break down. WE all know this show is bad, but you present the ways its bad other than just saying they hate men, and teh CGI is bad. You mentioned that too, but your breakdown went beyond that. you actually presented ways the show could have been improved. I hope either this is a one shot and we never get another season , or they get a new writer for the second season. I agree. Tatiana Maslany is a great actress with geek cred for days. The way this show has been using the She hulk CGI, they should have allowed her to do most of the scenes as Jen and only did she hulk for the fights.
This show could have been so much better. The source material had a plethora of material to draw from. It would have helped the original fans to connect with this show and perhaps given this show a bitter direction to explore. But first, they need competent writers to be able to set a foundation to work with.
the Unsympathetic angle seems to be writer shorthand for Strong. It is Not strong, but they imagine it to Be strong. Because it (at least to me) seems to be the writers taking the character and use her as a means to vent their own frustrations. An empowering feeling, as we all know, makes you Feel strong, but its never sympathetic. You are strong when you overcome hardships, but you seldom Feel strong doing so. Strength and personal growth are one of those things that´s only apparent looking back at it. But again, you Feel strong and like you´ve grown when you occupy the room. Be this through fightiong, shouting, bullying or neglecting the other parties, it makes you Feel strong in the moment.
I think the biggest problem with shows like this isn’t what they didn’t put in it, but what they HAD to put in it. Can’t wait til you have channel membership so members can get access to removed jokes.😂
Imagine having a cold AND reviewing She-Hulk. Someone nominate this man for the Nobel Peace prize.
The Nobel Society doesn't have a journalism category.
And Peace doesn't make sense.
Nominate him for a Pulitzer instead...
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And a Purple Heart!
He suffers so we don't have to🤗
@MolecularArts oooff...that would be tough. You wouldn't really know if you are reviewing She-Hulk or something that escaped from a nostril. That green snot can be a real biatch.
he is unironically more deserving of it than Obama was. Then, again, so am I.
Ah, the John Byrne She-Hulk. The best series for the character.
And the cat lady thing comes from Mariko Tamaki's disastrous run.
Yep
Mariko Temaki is a good writer within her one niche. That niche sadly is not superhero stories but instead Young Adult Romance and Sexuality Slice of Life.
I feel double about her work, as I actually enjoyed her work outside of superhero settings. The problem is she is only good at her one thing, and they are trying to push her square peg of YA Romance into the round hole of Superhero Comics.
Mariko Tamaki, lol, oh GOD. I hope they make 'I am Not Starfire' into a show, too. That will be hilarious to make fun of.
To be fair, this is the She-Hulk's story written from a brand new perspective: incompetence.
It finally struck me. Back in the 00's, there was a sketch show on British TV called That Mitchell and Webb Look, and one of the recurring sketches was about a pair of lazy TV writers being interviewed about their latest (terrible) show, and I get the impression that the whole point of this show - and many others running right now - is that the writers are re-enacting those sketches, but actually producing the shit-awful TV shows, and laughing all the way to the bank.
"The sad cat woman, I don't know where that came from"
I guess the writers believe in writing what they know.
Jim! 😂😂
HA!!!
The "sad cat woman" angle came from the writer's room. "Write what you know".
The writers are literally self inserting their desperate, alcoholic single lives onto the main character.
i guess you can say the show is little more then a giant massive 1st world cope
💯 on top of that trying to be hip inserting teenage language and culture I guess they learned
that from some teenagers they know 😄
They've said they got together and told their most embarrassing stories and that's what they wrote. You can tell that each episode is written by a different person which I think is one of the biggest issues with current shows. There's no cohesion.
The writers of this dreck should have followed Dean Wormer's advise; "Drunk, fat, and stupid is no way to go through life."
You're saying Jennifer Gao isn't just fending off hot dudes on Tinder left and right? Surely EVERY man wants to date an abrasive, fat, alcoholic, arrogant, delusional middle-aged woman.
As a fan of Bryne era She Hulk, all I have to say is THANK YOU! in less than 10 mins, you said what I have been saying for weeks, and catching hell for it online. MCU She Hulk IS NOT SHE HULK!
Under the weather and still presses on to review She-Hulk. What a mad lad! Take care and feel better Chato!
I too have noticed that the show doesn't seem to like anyone - it doesn't like men, it constantly abuses the Jen character in one form or another, it doesn't like the traditional fans or lore, there's no concern for society at large . . . its like the writers are angry with or dislike everyone, including themselves. Usually a show has an affection for one group or another, but not here. Thanks for the video, glad you are feeling better!
Hello, Paul. No apologies needed. "She-Hulk" is still an OK show for me, to be honest, but I don't judge those who hate it or those who love it. Keep up the good work, my friend! ;)
Great analysis as always.
My theory is the writers used the wikipedia page of She Hulk as the basis for the TV show. I highly doubted they took the time to read the comics since those were for kids and not for grown women with dating issues.
Best Fran Drescher reference so far.. The Nanny reboot !! LOL
Imagine if they had used this show to tie in with the events of WandaVision, and had She-Hulk defend Wanda from a civil suit brought by the citizens of the town she tortured for several weeks. Moral ambiguities addressed, wrongs righted, and Phase 4 brought to a close in a completed circle of atonement and forgiveness. What a lost opportunity.
Hey, this is a little off-topic but I found where the writer's room for the rings of power got their source material form. I got some extra fortune cookies and they went like this: "It's your attitude, not your aptitude that determines your altitude", "It is not the plan that is important it is the planning", and finally" Keep on charging the enemy so long as there is life".
Wow! You solved it!
All I can offer is unrelated ancient wisdom: If you have a bad day, give up. Not every day can become a good day. Go home and sleep.
@@gazz3867 Perhaps you need to look up the word "Sarcasm"... the OP got it, your attempt was abysmal... Nice try though...
I watched a compilation of the Daredevil scenes and that's it. I'm taking my 6½ minutes and running. I watch your witty videos to keep up with the series
Your delivery is perfect and insightful. Great content.
Great insight, as per usual. I believe that the introduction of Matt Murdock into this series basically sums up how bad the writers are, especially when it comes to their (attempted) comedy. First of all, the fashion designer, without even turning around, points backwards as Matt Murdock opens the door when he enters the courtroom, as if this guy had any idea who was coming in the door at that time. Is this what they mean by "Fashion Sense?" Really, though, the kicker is when Matt Murdock delivers his "dad joke." I'm a dad, and so appreciated the "I had trouble finding parking" gag. It was a silly comment by Murdock, but it was meant to be .... however, what highlights the writer's incompetence is that they had Matt follow that up with "just kidding." The joke should've ended with "parking." That's it. Everyone in the courtroom knew it was a joke. He's blind. They all get it. The judge probably would've had a good chuckle. Everyone would've. There was NO NEED for the "just kidding." The writers just don't understand timing, and since they don't, they don't understand comedy. Case closed, your honor.
But-but these writers are so talented. They wrote 1/3rd of that one episode of Ricky and Morty where there are no jokes.
ItsAGundam did a very thorough side-by-side as well. They make a lot of the same points, but of course it is always great to get a former network executive perspective.
Interesting. I should check it out. I only finished a whack of shehulk comics a few days ago.
Thank you for taking the time to go to the source material. The time and effort you put into these reviews is most apparent here - so when you interject your opinion (like-v-hate) it has foundation. I look forward to more going forward..... Just promise you'll never review my IP if it takes off!
I never took the scene where Daredevil left the next morning as a “walk of shame”. He was smiling, whistling, and gleefully said good morning to a stranger.
It wasn’t until Mexican Nanny called it a “walk of shame” that I rolled my eyes.
I was repulsed when I first saw it before the slut friend said anything. Just because he was written to be smiling and whistling doesn't make it any less degrading.
Well, it clearly was a walk of shame. Why would Daredevil walk barefoot and hold his shoes like, you know, a "lady" who carries her heels and walks barefoot, because they are uncomfortable to walk in, especially after she did all night? She does not need to look galmorous anymore, so she takes them off to just walk home. Daredevil's shoes are... shoes. Not to look good, but to be funtioncal. They are probably the most comfy shoes, because he needs to do his superhero work in them, so why does he take them off? Because it's the visual cliché of the walk of shame.
But this whole scene didn't make any sense anyway. Why would Daredevil in FULL COSTUME walk around so casually in broad daylight? Wouldn't he be swinging from rooftop to rooftop to get wherever the hell he needs to be? Why wouldn't he call his "driver" or a friend to pick him up? Did anyone see him walk out Jen's appartmen as Daredevil? I rolled my eyes, because there is SO MUCH wrong with this scene. It's ridiculously stupid.
@@Haterator They purposely made it a “walk of shame” with what Mexican Nanny called it and the way they had him do it …..as you said…visually. The scene was nothing but to push “women empowerment” while demoralizing a man.
Charlie Cox probably don’t care…he’s getting a steady paycheck and a new 18 episode series. I’m a disappointed in him for agreeing to it.
My point is walks of shame usually reflect a woman embarrassed and ashamed. Daredevil didn’t look like either one of those. So they actually messed everything up from all angles. It wasn’t funny and it didn’t even make any sense.
Jessica Gao and her cronies watching this vid
"$hit! Write these down! WRITE THESE ALL DOWN!"
You sound better but don't push yourself. Always like seeing your videos.
Wow. You said EXACTLY what l was thinking when l saw the “walk of shame” footage. I just smh. It was great to see Charlie Cox as Daredevil again. I can only HOPE and PRAY that Disney treats his new show with the love and respect that they did on Netflix. However, l am not holding my breath…
Besides the terrible season 3.
@@bigguy7353 Yes that was not good
I appreciate your ability to critique the show and still add praise where it's due (like for the main actress).
The head writer was working for Rick and Morty, and this show is exactly like that with the humor style being random, and the characters having no consistency. Its just that Rick and Morty had better writers on the team that could work well in that style.
plus it has better direction overall. even if a joke in RaM falls flat you can still enjoy its fallout. In this show if a joke falls flat you are left with a Marrianas trench worth of cringe.
Another thing, R&M uses the framework of Back to the Future to set up it's irreverence. They're applying the same formula to She-Hulk but it doesn't work. One because She-Hulk isn't irreverent, she's clearly defined. Two, R&M also struggles with likeable characters. While we enjoy watching the dysfunction of R&M where everyone is basically an awful person, it doesn't work here where we need to empathize and root for our "hero". Plus R&M is mostly funny, while this show is decidedly not.
That writer should be banned from R&M fandom.
@@donle499 or suspended until they go to HR and possibly take a class on moderation.
Yeah the comic book from back in the day was great. The writers now just don't respect what their peers before them had to go through just to make a character feel a live. They were just given a job and did what ever.
Something I noticed with this week's episode is that the writers' only form of comedy is stupidity. They don't set up for a joke or have any sense for irony... its just character says something really dumb and maybe, or not, another character reacts... ha ha, funny!
He’s not the only one though:
"So social issues I try to get
in in the background, or
underlying a plot, but never to
the point of letting interfere
with a story or hitting the
reader over the head.
- STAN LEE
GROTH: How did you feel about the Senate
Subcommittee Hearings? Did you think that
was a witch-hunt, or did you think there was
any validity to the public's concern?
KIRBY: I didn't feel one way or another about it. I was only hoping that it would come out well enough to continue comics, that it wouldn't damage comics in anyway, so I could continue Working. I was a young man. I was still growing out of the East Side. The only real politics I knew was that if a guy liked Hitler, I'd beat the stuffing out of him and that would be it.
GROTH: Were you very political?
KIRBY:I wasn't then. I was very concerned with comics. I'm political now. I knew this much - that everybody voted Democrat down my way. If you were poor, you voted Democrat and if you were rich you voted Republican.
Power doesn't corrupt. It's neutral.
Someone always wants to corrupt
power. It's the way a shotgun is not
a deadly weapon until someone
chooses to use it irrationally.
STEVE DITKO
Prolific Batman writer and the creator of the villain Bane, Chuck Dixon, recently explained why politics do not belong in superhero comics.
Dixon shared his thoughts in his most recent episode of Ask Chuck Dixon where he was asked by Chris Cueva, “Are you against politics in comics completely?”
Dixon answered the question stating, “Absolutely not. I’ve written political books. I did The Forgotten Man, a history of the Great Depression, adapting Amity Shlaes epic, epic history of some of the darkest years in American history.”
He continued, “I don’t think it’s political, but it is because it’s seen to have a conservative viewpoint, it’s very down on the New Deal, which I don’t think history is going to judge well in the end. So I’ve done that.”
“Clinton Cash a far more political book. An adaptation of Peter Schweizer’s exposure of Bill and Hillary Clinton’s rather tawdry work with their foundation and how basically they used it to enrich themselves. It’s purely political. So I’m not against politics in comics. I’m not against anybody’s politics in comics,” he detailed. Dixon then went on to discuss that he read Spain Rodriguez’s Trashman series. He said, “Back in the underground days I used to read Trashman by Spain Rodriguez. It basically calls for Marxist revolution in the United States, bloody Marxist revolution. It’s very anti-American. Very anti-white when you get right down to it.
He elaborated, “I dug the energy of it. I didn’t believe in any of it. I didn’t agree with any of it, but I certainly respected Spain Rodriguez’s right to make any comic book he wants.”
Dixon then transitioned to explain why he believes politics doesn’t belong in superhero comics.
He explained, “My problem with politics in comics is when you mix it with mainstream comics. When superheroes take a side, decide that they’re Democrat or Republican. And 99.99% of the time they are going to side with the Democrat. Where one president is seen as a hero and the other one is seen as an ogre or a coward or whatever depending on their party line. Now, like the old Mad Magazine, if comics were to either elevate or mock each president with the same severity to the same level I’d be fine with it. But this is politics being put into a place it does not belong. Politics does not belong in superhero comics,” Dixon declared. He explained, “My problem with politics in comics is when you mix it with mainstream comics. When superheroes take a side, decide that they’re Democrat or Republican. And 99.99% of the time they are going to side with the Democrat. Where one president is seen as a hero and the other one is seen as an ogre or a coward or whatever depending on their party line.” “Now, like the old Mad Magazine, if comics were to either elevate or mock each president with the same severity to the same level I’d be fine with it. But this is politics being put into a place it does not belong. Politics does not belong in superhero comics,” Dixon declared. He then asserted, “I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again. I’m a comics fan, you’re a comics fan, but let’s face it these characters were created to entertain children. They were never meant to be political. They were never meant to be literature. They were never meant to be meaningful. They were just meant to be good solid American red-blooded entertainment. And putting politics into it, ruins it. It ruins anything.” “If you made a political Kung Fu movie, I would say the same thing. Get off it. Stop doing that,” he concluded. What do you make of Dixon’s explanation about why politics do not belong in superhero comics?”
You continue to deliver reviews with more care and thought put into than any of the shows you review and I can only respect you for it.
I get so frustrated because I want these shows to be good. I like She-Hulk, I want to see a show where I can root for her and see her being a 21st century Xena Lawyer Princess but instead we get something that almost seems deliberately written to be as off-putting as possible to fans of the comic book character. Why do these cynical self-absorbed assholes keep getting handed famous and beloved properties, only for them to use that as a backdrop for whatever insipid self-insert drama they alone are interested in?
Get well soon, Chato. I wish the industry had even half of the common sense knowledge you have about what does and what doesn't work in a show.
its kind of funny how it always happens where in for many of the these female super heros today if they just stuck to the source material it would have probably easily been a good girlboss story.
I can't take credit for this comment, but I can share it. "From SPZ Aruba - It's not about remaking a good movie or series. It's about breaking the culture who love it. "
"Why do these cynical self-absorbed assholes keep getting handed famous and beloved properties, only for them to use that as a backdrop for whatever insipid self-insert drama they alone are interested in?"
The Emperor NEVER had any clothes.
Most of the producers and writers of these series got their jobs from friends, never from merit -- OR, they did movies and shows that did enough box office that they STILL got their jobs, regardless of their personal lack of talent.
I don't believe the Disney and Marvel executives in power were successful for the MCU's success. I would say the primary architects for the MCU's success were people (Jon Favreau, Robert Downey, etc.) hired well before (pre-Disney Marvel buyout) Kevin Feige, Victoria Alonso, and all the other current hacks became the day-to-day runners of Marvel Studios. I WOULD blame the hack results of Phase 4 MCU on Feige, Alonso, AND the Disney people for sure!
Said much better than I can.
@@iamgroot4063 And that's precisely the point. I'll share this comment as well, from now on.
As has been said, they were so desperate to make sure Bruce got no real credit for her creation, that they wasted a very compelling arc. There could have been real drama around Bruce having to make the choice to give her a blood transfusion after the accident. He would know what a curse being a Hulk is, but she would need his blood to survive. So he would be torn on what to do. If he also had to do this while she was unconscious, there would be real discussions about the limits of consent. etc. But no, she's a strong powerful woman (even before she was She-Hulk) and she don't need no man. Even at the expense of some very compelling TV.
I feel like this show is my cursed monkey paw wish I made in 2013. *Good grief.*
I grew up reading the *Dan Slott* _She-Hulk_ comics, so I appreciate you examining the source material. The comics are great because they lean into such a unique comedy angle, i.e. the legal ramifications of crazy comic book imagination. It's an ingenious side of the genre and presented so many clever, funny situations - even in the background gags. One of my favourites is seeing a 1940s hero, Challenger, who has accidentally travelled forward in time to the present, seeking legal advice on getting his will reversed so he can get his possessions back. Nothing to do with the main story, but it's loaded with so much humanity and character. Miles ahead of this show.
There's a lot of coat tail riding going on here; The writers are merely wearing the façade of She-Hulk to vent some massive insecurities. I'd feel sorry for them if it wasn't fuelled by a contemptuous mindset. _(beleaguered sigh)_
That actually sounds interesting. Just like trying out the law with Immortal Man sounds interesting. And the show fucked it up.
@@Laneous14 Indeed they did. But I mean... that's _not_ Craig Hollis. Actually, how has there not a Great Lakes Avengers cartoon? I ask you? *How??* 😭
“The sad cat woman routine in the show, I don’t know where that came from”
Have you met the writers…?
I need uncensored Chato reviews.
I loved hearing the comparison between comic and show. I have been a fan of the comics for years and had been eager to see this show when it was announced. I would love to hope that if there's a season 2 they realize they need better writers.
Great points as always. I dabble in writing, only self published so far, but I like to take my shots at how I'd handle something this is my shot with She Hulk
Where this show instantly became over woke and unpopular is when Jen rants about how she's always angry over cat calling and mansplaining,
Now I have adult daughters, and I know those things exist and are rude and annoying, but...a source of rage? Come on and that really sealed its fate early(not as early as the BS origin, but one attempt at a time)
What if...Jen confesses to Bruce she was sexually assaulted at some point? And she couldn't come forward because the guy had money and power and perhaps in her field of work and could have ended her career. First, this is realistic because many women don't come forward and for the reason why just look at how any woman accusing a man who is a public figure is treated. In the NFL the Browns gave 230 million to a man with 24 allegations of assault against him. Think about that, this happens to many women.
So...if she goes on to say she was violated, hurt, and has had to live with the fact it happened and nothing could be done about it...and THAT is why she is always angry...now you have two things. you have a reason to be angry people can understand and you instantly made her sympathetic and humanized her. It would also speak to an actual cause and important issue to women. Look, most women tuned out when she said cat calling and MS was something to be that crazed over. Just because a guy does either of those things doesn't make him evil, just an immature jerk, but rape? That's a type of man you can hate and most men would line up with the women to hate them as well
Woke continues to eliminate just about every faction of viewership other than the complete far left lunatic
But just as woke culture won't allow a woman to be saved by a man they can no longer have a tragic back story either, she has been winning since she learned to ride her bike. The heroes journey removed.
This is why Jessica Jones worked, she was raped and suffers from PTSD over it which is part of her anger and drinking problem, and that show did very well because it showed the real shit people go through
I think the episodes are all different because they're *still* trying to find their audience; for all the "THIS SHOW ISN'T FOR YOU!" hemming and hawwing, I don't think the writers know who their audience actually is..
..aside from the writers themselves, of course.
You hit the nail on the head. The show doesn't have an audience and therefore has no reason to exist.
honestly the idea of starting the show with her origin being connected to her job is ideal, it should open with a courtroom scene prosecuting a major case with her questioning a guy on the stand and gaining ground, not winning the case but getting something esablished that unlocks another avenue (think like when Amber Heard slipped up and mentioned Kate Moss on the stand) she calls for a new witness due to the new info, and the case is paused untill the next day. Little does she know that win has just painted a target on her back, she then meets Banner at a dinner meeting, he's seeking legal advice from his hot shot lawyer relative that he doesnt see much of, you can have them cover the fact we have never heard of her with him apologising for not seeing much of his extended family in years and only contacting her when he needs something, with her apologising back saying she was so busy with her work as a lawyer she barely had time to fit him in as it was, she gives him advice and give him the details of someone who specialises with his issue and can help him maybe evern referencing how busy she is with a BIG CASE before the assasination attempt, hulk saves the day and she gets hurt, when she wakes up and realises what happened she gets ANGRY!, you can establish her competence as a lawyer and how successful she is FIRST so it means something to lose it, going from 12 hour days to unemployed would be a huge deal and the start of an insecurity issue that could follow her around making her super scared of losing the new job, you could also have the case come back around and have her catch the crime boss who ordered the assasination by foiling crimes later in the show because she had been stopped from doing it in the court room, having a crime boss would also have been a legitimate way of bringing daredevil in for multiple cameos allowing them to fall fo each other over time rather than just a one night stand,
Sigh, ah the most painful part of famdom, thinking about what COULD have been😢
She never had to get angry to become She-Hulk, though. She did have to learn how to control it to avoid shifting back and forth unexpectedly, but part of the deal was that she didn't lose her mental faculties while in her Hulk form.
@@anonygent true but getting angry and emotional could easily be justified for her reflexive physical transformation the first time, she wouldnt lose her mind she'd just change then she could react to her own transformation with panic and fear - initially, only for her to decide she's fine and can cope with it because her carrer is more important, then you have her lose her job and react moodily/ angrilly and inadvertantly rip a couple of heavy door off their hinges or something because she is unaware of her own strength, causing her to ask Bruce for some help adjusting, deffinately keeping the whole "spandex is your best freind" bit
@@stevenr6397 Well, as you said, what might have been. Personally, I was thinking that a perfect introduction episode or second episode after her origin story would have been her transforming accidentally in the courtroom and scaring everyone to death, changing back and apologizing, having the judge tell her to never do that again, and then her saving the jury or the judge himself a short time later by transforming into She-Hulk to stop a runaway truck or something. Then she could say something legalistic to the judge like, "Permission to change just this once?" and the judge saying something funny like, "I'll allow it."
Thanks Chato. The things that comes across, not only from you but other people who comments on shows, is that the writers suck. I can't wait for your phone to ring again. Glad to know your feeling better.
Cant say they aren't talented magicians. Turning gold into doodoo... Thx Chato
Riding in a car with a drunken woman driving careening from shoulder to shoulder. And as a complete aside, I really enjoy both your content and delivery.
I lost it at the "joke removed" part.
I really like listening to your take movies and shows. The professional take is well done.
Listening to analysis that is so direct and aware like this is not only a pleasure but borderline educational.
side note: thanks for keeping the white background. my screen is always almost clean thanks to your videos :)
That "joke removed" made cough. LOL well done sir
"So social issues I try to get
in in the background, or
underlying a plot, but never to
the point of letting interfere
with a story or hitting the
reader over the head.”
- Stan Lee
As the indefatigable 92-year-old
superhero conjurer and Marvel Comics
chairman emeritus sees it, fan backlash
up until this point hasn't so much been
spurred on by racism as much as
unyielding fealty to the source material.
"They're outraged not because of any
personal prejudice, Lee says. "They're
outraged because they hate to see any
change made on a series and characters
they had gotten familiar with. In Spider-
Man, when they got a new actor, that
bothered them, even though it was a
white actor. I don't think it had to do with
racial prejudice as much as they don't like
things changed."
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GROTH: How did you feel about communism
then?
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issue. It was an outrageous issue. To be termed a communist would damage your whole family, damage your whole world- your friends wouldn't talk to you. I'm talking about other people -because I wouldn't go near the stuff. Sure, I was against the reds. I became a witch hunter. My enemies were the commies -I called them commies. In fact, Granny Goodness was a commie, Doubleheader was a commie.
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“This month we're gonna yak about
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ceived a zillion letters asking for the
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tion. We're fantasmagorically fiattered
that our opinion wouid matter to you,
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thing. except possibly mother Iove and
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crats. and others dyed-in-the-wool
publicans. As for Yours Truly and a few
others, we prefer to judge the person,
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sponsibility the responsibility of
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any validity to the public's concern?
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Working. I was a young man. I was still growing
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comics. I'm political now. I knew this much - that everybody voted Democrat down my way. If you were poor, you voted Democrat and if you were rich you voted Republican.
STARLOG: We all noticed the lack of
women in the Star Wars trilogy. Are you go-
ing to bring more women in for future Star
Wars films?
LUCAS: Well, what of Princess Leia?
When you're making a war film, how are
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those films. Well, it's your galaxy; I have to
go with the rest of the world. And still make
it believable. I'm not sure how many women
will be in the rest of the films; that's the kind
of thing that plots dictate. What would Star
Wars have been like if Han Solo had been a
woman?
“Still others picked up on Lucas's
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“FOOLS WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S INHU-
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is a man taken over by a machine, he
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world is economics and politics, and
they have nothing to do with
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From "PW Interviews Joseph Campbell, by Chris Goodrich"
Publisher's Weekly (August 23, 1985, p.74-75)
“Great storytelling is what’s important.
The Stories that aren’t political at all and are based on good writing, good characters , deeper lessons, morals and entertainment
as well as the stories that do have political elements but are more focused on an engaging story,a well thought out lesson or idea behind it and interesting characters are the stories that make great entertainment. As my film teacher taught me Art before politics, always. The story & characters comes first whether the politics are subtle, secondary or completely non existent.” - DAN FILMS
Great now let’s clear up any false narrative about the great storytellers of old. They were not the kind of political activist mostly failing to write comics today the modern ones anyway. It doesn’t matter what politics they believed conservative, liberal, traditional, progressive if they even believed in any because a lot of them were also apolitical when making comics, movies etc. You had a lot of apolitical comics back in the day when comics were first being made especially early DC & early marvel. When social or political topics would come up in a story they would either be subtle, secondary to the great plots, and well made characterization and/or intelligent written to the point that it actually felt like the storyteller has something to say that was worth while like Steve Ditko, Alan Moore & Frank Miller which trust me when I tell you all three have wildly different political views.
Steve Ditko was one of those Ayn Rand conservative or libertarian types. Stan Lee had a 60’s Liberal thing going on but he helped make Iron Man specifically to trick the hippy crowd in his day into liking a rich weapons arms dealer. Jack Kirby was apolitical for most of his comic book making career the only time he got political was when nut like Hitler would turn up. These guys showed that whether the comics were apolitical or political free as like to mockingly call them Or subtle when it came to political intent that they would make good stories. Good stories weren’t sacrificed just to get a political point across. That’s what Stan Lee means by hitting people over the head.
I really appreciate the erudite way you express on concerns. Thank you.
When you need to know just exactly why something is bothering you in the hijacked nerdyverse, Chato is here to show what's behind the curtain. That reminds me. I need to watch Wizard of Oz again. I'm due for some good cinema.
I appreciate the analytical critic of the show. Very insightful!
TThank you, I gave up watching SH 2 episodes ago and my concession is watching you in the hope you reveal new writers and a show worth watching. I will keep that slot in my life for tik tok or shorts until I hear otherwise.
So despite all the different opinions and perspectives I decided to watch the first episode of SHE HULK. It felt Meh as hell. There were moments that were funny, the bonding between Bruce & Jen was ok, the Woke moments were cringey, and the character development for everyone needs work. The writing wasn’t the best as I felt despite the jokes which some were funny & some were not the show felt mostly boring and overall plotless for the time being. The show itself at the moment is just ok for me in the extreme meh category, it didn’t grab me that much. So I decided as a comic book fan to go back and read the first few issues of She Hulk that I hadn’t read in years to compare the two and oh boy , man I’m amazed! It all came back to me how great She Hulk is in The Comics! So Bruce being the lonely tragic figure he is goes to see his cousin Jen after continuously hiding from society due to his issues as THE HULK. 😂 😂 😂 When he tells her about his situation he explains his origins. I like how Jen calls him Doc man that never gets old. Speaking of that, her bond with Bruce isn’t just genuine but it shows neither of them going off about who’s better then the other, at least not yet. They just seem to genuinely care about each other as family.
Jen is way more interesting as a character in the comics. Spoilers but In the show’s first episode I kept seeing characters praise her non stop. Her friend says she’s a great lawyer, Bruce is constantly amazed by her in most ways but this issue seems to focus on her flaws. The Issue shows her as a kind of thrill seeking person who isn’t afraid of her own mortality and is willing to put herself in risking situations for her job.
She’s pretty confident to a fault and it really grabs me. Her dynamic also balances Bruce’s cautious personality due to his situation.
In the show their sibling like bond feels genuine too but it mostly feels like a back in fourth between cousins in competitiveness, like who’s better at being a Hulk or who can handle their anger better, but in this issue they’re just concerned about each other’s well being. This goes back to one of my issues with the show before I even saw the first episode what was wrong with Bruce saving his cousin after she tragically got shot? Why did that have to be changed in the show for a car accident in which Jen saves Bruce? What was so wrong with her initial origin? Instead of some random space ship appearing and a car accident after discussing Captain America’s past virginity 😂 😂 😂 I’m sorry but I was more interested in the conversation about Jen’s case as a lawyer in the comics.
Y’know the one that shows her character flaws, focuses squarely on her possible future development or future regression as a character. Instead of a dumb sex joke. Maybe I’m being too harsh but her initial introduction was a lot better in this issue.
Bruce wants revenge for Jen but decides to help her as Bruce and not THE HULK doing a sacrifice of blood transfusion to save her life. After saving her life Bruce calls the cops but when they grow suspicious of him he escapes before they can question him further. Jen learns that Bruce was right about the dangers of her case with the criminals involved which shows actual character development.
I’m noticing a reversal in the comics and in the show. In the show Jennifer is very against being she hulk wanting to be normal again, and not being a superhero where as in The comics Jennifer now wants to be she hulk and believes her past identity isn’t enough.
In the comics Bruce saves Jennifer after being attacked and gives her his blood but in the show Jennifer saves Bruce after a car accident , her getting his blood was an accident then Bruce stops Jennifer from attacking guys who were apparently harassing her on the street.
Yeah the first issue was better then the first episode by miles. Sad to see this be She Hulk’s introduction into The MCU.
Soooo worth it to see DD and Matt in action
I love Chato’s honest reviews. It’s refreshing.
As much as I love seeing everyday, amateurs doing reviews on youtube (myself included), it's nice once in a while to see a pro at work. All you need is a more intersesting background, maybe a little set, and you could put this straight onto regular TV. You've already got your catchphrases and catchy theme music.
They say that the first rule of writing is "Write what you know." But I think that is becoming more of a detriment than a help for these writers because apparently all they know is misandry and crude jokes. If it wasn't for Tatiana Maslany's actually very engaging performance and the promise of Daredevil I wouldn't have watched any of these episodes except the one with Daredevil in it. And I get the feeling I wouldn't have missed anything because except for one scene here and one scene there the overall story hasn't moved at all.
I watched the first two episodes, then stopped. I did watch this last episode however (because i understood the writers seemed to be taking a swing at Doomcock of the Overlord DVD channel. That was fun to see and hope to see Doomcock get another 100,000 more subs from the free advertising.
I must admit I've got no knowledge of the comic book She-Hulk and I've watched DareDevil previously. This episode wasn't too bad on the surface of it. I even got a chuckle from it in one or two places. I got to admit there was actual chemistry between SH and DD. As a sitcom it has about as much as Gilligan's Island or Scrubs about it. To pass the time, nothing to think about.
A sitcom doesn't need perfect SFX or graphics. It was watchable which is more than I can say for the first two episodes (that stopped me watching). It was 'cute'. But does it make be want to go back and watch the season - hell no.
There are two types of great stories when it comes to this method: stories that are apolitical with great characters, writing & moral lessons or none, and then there are stories that have political elements but put the quality of the writing and characters, & moral lessons first. Whether either type of story is apolitical or has political elements deep philosophy, morality, & mythology can often play a role in sharpening the story, once you form your morals for a story into ideas over just using them for government or social policy statements you can grab anyone within an audience no matter who they are or what they believe that is the gift of good storytelling
Modern SJW’s unfortunately don’t have that gift because for them there is nothing deeper then the physical realm they see and often hate so instead of forming deep intelligent universal themes or ideas through the magic of storytelling they try to bend those themes or ideas to their will ,thoughts and beliefs.
They can’t form their morals into ideas so often they come off as just government or policy statements without the feeling of anything deeper to an audience turning most people off whether they do or don’t agree with them or are indifferent to begin with.
True. Their thinking is totally concrete. No abstractions or nuances .
@@1Gr8Editrix yep. 👍
Starship Troopers (film) is my absolute favorite story & writing with political undertones/satire, and I dare say likely one of the best ever. Show, not tell. Hopefully that's an example.
@@namename2215 although everyone knew what the director was trying to say in that movie, the film was so over the top that it superseded the message. It remained first and foremost as entertainment that had parody.
@@namename2215 huh 🤔
Bravo Sir, bravo 👏👏👏
I tapped-out after episode two, but I still enjoy Chato's reviews... They also confirm my decision to drop it.
I really wish more people did comparisons between comics and shows.
Great video Chato. Can't wait for the next one
This is how a review for a tv show should be done. 👍👍👍👍👍
I came from Twitter, it was really pathetic reading the childish comments that completely ignore this review. Great review, subscribed!
Chato is the best , he even did something Jen could never do …. Apologize
P.s Chato have you seen Werewolf any Night ?
I have not.
Great storytelling is what’s important.
The Stories that aren’t political at all and are based on good writing, good characters , deeper lessons, morals and entertainment
as well as the stories that do have political elements but are more focused on an engaging story,a well thought out lesson or idea behind it and interesting characters are the stories that make great entertainment. As my film teacher taught me Art before politics, always. The story & characters comes first whether the politics are subtle, secondary or completely non existent.
Are you just copy&pasting text from articles written by other people, and present them as your own words here? Why?
@@LateralTwitlerLToh these are totally my own words I just paste them in many videos that bring up these topics. You’ve probably come across them before for that reason. I also have more then one account on RUclips so that’s probably another reason why your confused.
Ah yes, George Orwell said the same.
@@jacktadash he did huh.
Joke removed. Love it! I'm going to start using that in real life when my humour doesn't match the current common rule.
Glad to see you are feeling better! Be well!
Thanks to your videos like these I get to decide to whether watch any popular shows or not to save some time. I'm still surprised why Kevin Feige has not say anything about why this Abomination had so little respect to the source material.
Really enjoy your outlook on this She Hulk series. Only one more episode thank goodness.
3:45 THAT is the She-Hulk i wanted!
While watching She-Hulk episode 8, I had kind of eerie feeling that when Matt Murdock made his first appearance that someone had informed the writers to make Matt look as good as possible to advertise his future series. In an attempt to make Daredevil look good the writers pulled from their toolkit the only thing they knew how to do, make another character look much worse. There are reviews stating Daredevil was destroyed in episode 8 of She-Hulk, I think in large they are referring to Matt and Jen hooking up, and the pointless walk of shame scene, while it was in my opinion the exact opposite. Matt Murdock and Matt as Daredevil both made She-Hulk look like a clueless amateur, even with the only thing Jen was supposed to be good at. You'd expect a lawyer from a huge law firm to be able to dominate a lawyer from a small independent firm, yet the opposite happened. Due to the obvious and even stated admission that the writers had no experience with court room law shows, the only thing they could do was make Jennifer Walters look like a complete amateur in her profession. She-Hulk is contending with Rings of Power at the moment for most poorly written show to date. Low tier CW shows catalog what happened in the previous episodes as to not stumble over something that happened to avoid consistency problems the writers of She-Hulk don't appear to have any sort of measurable metric at all.
The walk of shame part is one of the reasons Daredevil fans don't care for this episode, but it's not the main complaint. It's that SheHulk saved him when his fight scenes in the previous Daredevil show were the best parts. They were often one long continuous shot rather than lots of cuts you see normally. Especially in how she "saved" him. Daredevil doesn't need saving is the issue for them. Having her save him lessens him as a character.
@@debanydoombringer1385 The walk of shame also doesn't fit with his character. Daredevil was a brooding, self-sabotaging, martyr with incredibly strong Catholic convictions. He's not another fuck boi who gets tossed out by a woman. He's a heartbreaker due to his own unhappiness, in his own show or even in the comics where he did sleep around a lot.
To be fair, Matt Murdock was a highly competent lawyer in the comics. He worked for a small law firm by choice, and because he was blind. Wasn't he a prosecutor at one point as well?
@@debanydoombringer1385 I have to disagree somewhat because She-Hulk didn't save him. He was in no peril at the time. The goons were in the process of rushing towards him but that doesn't mean anything in the light of someone with Daredevil's skill set. She just showed how juvenile, impetuous and reckless she is by bursting through the roof onto the bad guys (which should have killed them by the way). That did nothing to diminish Daredevil's character. That walk of shame though...it was so degrading. As a male, I would not have agreed to shoot that scene.
I’ve been enjoying the series and this latest episode the best.
I am so glad I didn’t waste any time on this thing. If you want something really hilarious to review, do the new Hocus Pocus 2 movie. I’m not gonna spoil it but it contains examples of nearly everything you’ve said. I swear it’s tailor made for you. ;-)
The joke that you had removed was hilarious oh and by the way true
There should be one of you on each writing team on every show
Feel better, and Happy Succoth!
I commend your ability to shine spotlights on how successful TV structures work! It helps ground the reality of why shows are bad or miss their mark in a sea of defensive PR.
In the comicbook genre it's amazing how quickly showrunners disregard decades of plots and character development.
Keep up your insights! Perhaps present some fun exercises like how M*A*S*H or any Normal Lear show would be different if made today?
I’ll be doing some deep dives.
Actually a pretty good analysis. I enjoyed the show for what it was. It only being 30 minutes long made it easy to consume. Naturally I would have preferred to watch Daredevil over She-Hulk, but it was casually consumable. The problems you list out are spot on. It could have been better and I agree if they remained truer to the comic book we would have gotten a better product. The Daredevil scenes were the best part of the show and I agree with your point on chemistry between the two characters and actors.
You just punched me with that Joke Removed and I haven't recovered laughing.
Canoehead.
I'll be over here. Dead.
I want to point out, it's the actual removal that made me laugh. The joke itself was... .5 on the overall humor scale.
Delivery. It's always delivery.
Just imagine if they actually hired someone like David E. Kelley for the show. I’m sure Disney could’ve afforded him for a short season such as this.
I admire your strength sir in suffering the show for us.
"I would say that this was The Best episode to date. Best, of course, is relative."
- Paul Chato, "She-Hulk Episode 8 versus the original comics"
That immediately reminded me of a quote I heard years ago by drive-In movie critic Joe Bob Briggs:
"Hey, I'm Joe Bob Briggs and I'm here to guide you through what most people consider the _masterpiece_ of Ray Dennis Steckler's career. Of course, that's kind of like saying the best downhill skier in Mexico."
- Joe Bob Briggs commentary from a "The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed-Up Zombies!!?" DVD.
Great quotes! The Steckler movie and She-Hulk TV episodes? Not so much. Sad when the best parts of the entertainment business are comedians slamming them for how bad they are. =)
Well done, as always. And the cold I caught from you has gone away!
You mentioned contrived writing. That might be an interesting topic for a video. Just spitballing.
Have a good *cough cough* oh no! It's back!
I know that I am late to the party 🥳🎉 but I have to say that you bring a refreshing take on the show. I have learned to analyze and not just scream that a show SUCKS!!! But none the less the walk of shame was more Deadpool than Dare Devil.
Thanks for your work. Hope you get better soon.
an interesting angle is what you always bring to the table
Chato what's up bud, you OK? you're so uncharacteristically calm. Your humor has gone from savage and biting to subtle and understated. Great video, just want to make sure your ok, I know you're still trying to feel better. Best wishes
NAILED IT!
"Is it for you, or is it for me to show how brilliant I am?"
A little jab against a certain group of people, nice.
2:50 “Pathetic lonely woman desperate for a date.”
Sounds like that passes the Bechdel Test… 😂
4:00 How about a scene where she is discussing a case with a colleague while she is trying to make copies. She hulks out over the copy machine, and the next scene you see the copy machine flying out the window, through a flock of birds, past a jet running drills, past a satellite, and back down into the Himalayas?
Maybe make her male colleague a prankster always setting up little booby traps made out of stationary. Jen engages in the prank war, and they take turns one-upping each other while you see her skin flash green after especially good pranks. Throughout the season, you see her able to control her rage more due to the training received in dealing with these pranks. The season finale reveals a deeper interest in her that Jen is not quite sure is real or perceived. Use the friendly rivalry as the Pug’s way of hiding his deeper affection for Jen as he doesn’t feel like he would ever have a chance with her. Maybe even give him an uncharacteristic heroic moment or two that puts him in a position to be save by Jen. I find that reciprocal heroics engages a larger audience as it allows different people to relate to the characters.
The prank war has to steadily escalate showing the rivals as equally devious and creative while showing that the competition makes both of them better. Allow different pranks to reveal things about each character to the audience and to each other while some of those revelations occur only for the audience.
Now I want to buy a She-Hulk omnibus, thanks for the great sales pitch.
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So, why did they even made this "series" in the first place?, the more i learn about it (thanks to you and overlord dvd mostly), the more i get this odd sensation that this series existence is some bad attempt at "badmouthing" classic superheroes, INCLUDING She-Hulk.
Thanks a lot, Mr. Chato.
nice show, and since all I can give is sarcasm, I'll heartily salute you with a good video, you keep me coming back :P
Thank you for your sacrifice
I love this break down. WE all know this show is bad, but you present the ways its bad other than just saying they hate men, and teh CGI is bad. You mentioned that too, but your breakdown went beyond that. you actually presented ways the show could have been improved. I hope either this is a one shot and we never get another season , or they get a new writer for the second season. I agree. Tatiana Maslany is a great actress with geek cred for days. The way this show has been using the She hulk CGI, they should have allowed her to do most of the scenes as Jen and only did she hulk for the fights.
This show could have been so much better. The source material had a plethora of material to draw from. It would have helped the original fans to connect with this show and perhaps given this show a bitter direction to explore. But first, they need competent writers to be able to set a foundation to work with.
Love this vid. You were spot on with the criticisms
the Unsympathetic angle seems to be writer shorthand for Strong.
It is Not strong, but they imagine it to Be strong. Because it (at least to me) seems to be the writers taking the character and use her as a means to vent their own frustrations. An empowering feeling, as we all know, makes you Feel strong, but its never sympathetic. You are strong when you overcome hardships, but you seldom Feel strong doing so. Strength and personal growth are one of those things that´s only apparent looking back at it.
But again, you Feel strong and like you´ve grown when you occupy the room. Be this through fightiong, shouting, bullying or neglecting the other parties, it makes you Feel strong in the moment.
I think the biggest problem with shows like this isn’t what they didn’t put in it, but what they HAD to put in it. Can’t wait til you have channel membership so members can get access to removed jokes.😂