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The dart frog community is just so good about how strong the ethics are. Every outspoken or "famous" personality on dart frogs seem to really stand tall in their values about these animals and how to properly care for and treat these amazing animals. What a great talk! Loved it so much!
Dan is a really well spoken guy. I liked what he was saying about the therapeutic aspects of reptile keeping. I suffer from a pretty severe mental illness. I've found a lot of relief in being extra due diligent and active with my reptile care. Feeding my uromastyx by hand, feeling him tug at his food while I hold on to the other end, it's very grounding. It sounds like some hippie "oooooh connect with the natureeee brooo" crap, but it is really calming. Similarly I'll just take time out of the day to sit on my knees with my face up near his glass, pay attention to his facial expression and really fixate on his scales. Very tranquil. Also agreed with what you said about cage cleaning. I always dread having to clean, but then when I'm wiping up and sanitizing it's actually very zen-like
i want to extend a genuine thank you to you both for the wonderful points you posed in the "how herp affects the keeper" section. ive been trying to find the right words for this and will now send people to the video to explain. thank you.
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast it really hit home and it was wonderful hearing it from someone else! my toddler and I love your podcast, you're one of the only ones he'll listen to!
Great episode. I especially enjoyed the section on how keeping can be therapeutic for the keeper. I usually listen to the show as I'm working on enclosure builds or maintenance of some kind. Keeping for me is about providing for our pets but I get so much back in return, especially watching them make use of their habitats. Thanks!
Hello, Dan! It's been a pleasure to meet you. Even though I only have an old but cherished bearded dragon, I find that, philosophically, we have a lot in common. Following you, just like following Animals At Home, is a no brainier! Thank you, Dillon, for another great episode!
Amphibian podcast, definitally checking this man's podcast for sure.This gentleman is real . New to the dartfrog hobby, myself. Everything he said made total sense, be listening to Dan's podcasts, thanx Dillon.
🎉🎉🎉 I’m so more inspired… about the bun now I’ve been doing research… and the fact that he said if you can do a saltwater reef tank… you have a good understanding… helps so much…🎉🎉🎉
I always enjoy watching your episodes because of how varied they are and the high caliber of your guests. I learn so much every episode. I found your channel through Rebecca at Leopard Gecko and I have subscribed to to a couple of other channels whose creators you had as guests on your show. I'm going over to Dan's channel next to subscribe. It's funny because I don't own any reptiles YET. I did help my ex boyfriend with his aquatic turtles and I kept newts in the 90's (I'm an old lady pushing 50 😁). After keeping freshwater tropical fish and plants as well as birds for most of my life, I know that you never stop learning and that pets are a HUGE commitment. That's why I've been researching reptile care (with the help of people like you 😊) for several years now because I want to be totally ready before I get my first lizard and my first snake. Also I appreciate that you focus on taking the best possible care of the pets you have and not just aquiring more and more. Not to mention making sure you can afford veterinary care for routine and emergency appointments. My cat is 17 and she's had over a thousand dollars in vet bills this year; first time she's needed anything other than routine check ups and shots. I know I still have to provide for her and my fish along with my future reptiles. Sorry for rambling but I just really appreciate your work and channel content. Keep up the fantastic work.
Thank you for watching the show, Jeanne 😁 I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying it. Well, when you do eventually get a pet reptile, it will be in very good hands 🙂 Sounds like you are going about it with the right mindset!
This was really good one. I definitely feel like i relate to him a lot! I only have glass frogs but lol they are enough for me for now the amount of fruit flied hopping around at any given time it more than enough lol. I'm curious why he doesn't think pacman frogs are beginner?
I know this is an old comment but I wanted to give my 2 cents. I got a pacman frog over 4 years ago as my first ever herp, seeing as they are so highly recommended for beginners. I did want dart frogs, but was recommended a pacman frog to get me started. And it was a nightmare for the first year of his life with me. I couldn't figure out what temperature he wanted, what humidity he wanted, I couldn't get him to reliably eat. I followed all the care guides and care sheets, I listened to everyones advice and watched literally every RUclips video. It wasn't until I said fk this, fk the care sheets, I'm trying my own thing. I got him overhead heat & UVB light despite what everyone says, and all of a sudden the issues started going away. He was eating more, he was moving around his enclosure to thermoregulate and cryptically bask. And that's why pacman frogs aren't for beginners - cos everything you read about them on the internet is complete and utter nonsense, and most people end up with a dead or suffering frog in the end. Pacman frogs are robust and hardy, so they can tolerate neglect for a long long time. But ultimately, they will perish. I am SO glad I stopped listening to all the care guides & care sheets and instead started listening to my intuition & my frog. Not to say you CAN'T keep a pacman frog if you are a beginner - I certainly managed it. But there's a hell of a lot of trial and error involved, it seems. Overall I think the hobby needs to drastically raise care standards for pacman frogs. It's such a stark difference; seeing darts in their gorgeous naturalistic terrariums set up to meet every single need - compared to a pacman in an empty tub of coco coir with no light and no heat.
Funny he said that about reef tanks, I obviously started with reef tanks and now I'm really into Thumbnail dart frogs and even more the plants. And yes he's absolutely right. Keeping dart frogs in a vivarium is just like keeping a reef tank. Lmao I also fall asleep to paranormal shows or bigfoot shows, every night. Great show, loved it!
Thanks a lot for watching, glad you enjoyed it! Reef tanks seem like an incredible amount of work, I can imagine how the skill set would transfer to dart frog keeping. I can’t believe you guys are falling asleep the ghost stories 😂😂
Really enjoyed this episode. There's a lot of similarity to the reptile industry. I would say while reptiles will live longer than amphibians when mistreated just means they go through more neglect. I have considered amphibians but would need time to research before committing.
I’m so excited to find an amphibian podcast. Y’all have no idea. Al I do is listen to paranormal podcasts and drag podcasts and plant podcasts and this one here as I don’t find ones about darts. So this is a game changer dude.
I have a disabled rescue toad named Phil, but otherwise I'm not really a frog guy. That said, I definitely get the dart frog keeper mentality of wanting to care for a cube of naturalistic rainforest in your living room. My snakes live in as close to a slice of temperate forest as I can replicate. The super tiny redbellied snakes climb on every leaf and branch harmlessly to the plants, and their viv is so full of greenery i have to prune it back regularly. My garters snakes kinda stemroll their plants so only the tougher ones that can bounce back survive. I can only imagine the struggle of planted boa tanks! Thanks as always for doing this podcast! I enjoy every episode.
Thank you for watching episode Bob! Yes, I can completely relate to their want to achieve nature in their home as well. Like you say, it’s a lot easier to do when you’re keeping small creatures. My boas tend to steamroll everything as well 😂
Similar thing happens to normal aka wild morphs of some of these common pets cause people treat them like they're boring just because of their morph but for my first ball python I wanted a normal because it's still an amazing animal and it saddens me seeing them not receiving the love they deserve
Im honestly planning to get the most disposable breed ahaha i already had it planned out there so beautiful idc! Its ether them or the all blue ones with black specks on them or the infamous " Arena Blanca " lol
Hi! I was just wondering if you have or would do a podcast about old world rat snakes? Natural history, keeping and breeding? They are pretty uncommon in the USA and finding information on then is kinda difficult. Love your videos! Very informative and interesting.
Batesian mimickry. That's the name. It is the case of some species to resemble other non-related species because individuals with those characteristics have superior survival rates and fitness. By the way, there's much in what the guest says about morphs and I am totally about species conservation but I would add that some culture in some morphs might prevent many people from agravating wild animals trade. Another good podcast.
I figured someone would jump into the comments to help us out! Thanks for adding that. And yes, that’s a great point about morphs perturbing the wild caught trade. Glad you enjoyed the episode!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast , I always like your episodes. I can't think of any episode which doesn't adress pertinent issues. You have one of the best ( if not the best ) of reptile and amphibian husbandry channels. It is truly a unique source of knowledge. And hosted by a guy who is always a very nice and gentle one. By the way, I'm still finishing my channel and website which adresses a way of making captivity virtually almost has living in the wild but I had some health personal issues and so I'm still working on that, whuch was supposed to be starting six months ago. My apologies for that. Congratulations, Dylon, for "Animals At Home". I really apreciate that it exists. P.S.: what about "group" instead of "collection" and "foreign" instead of "exotic"? 😉
Thank you very much for the kind words, I really appreciate it 🙂 i’m sorry to hear about your health issues, I hope you are feeling better. Definitely keep me in the loop, and looking forward to seeing what you’re working on! I think those words would work quite well, I have an episode coming up in two weeks with a zookeeper that points out a few issues with using the term “group”, it is something I hadn’t even thought about before, you will surely find it interesting!
49:16 This is hard because depending on who you ask if you take a 50k gold watch and put 50k worth of diamonds you'll either have a watch worth 100k or something worth far less than 50k... Or a 5k pure bred German shepherd bred to a 5k pure bred husky won't make a 10k dog because people care about purity. Personally I prefer an iced out watch and my blue eyed German shepherd 🤷🏻♂️
its funny i started with darts and i got whites later and i find them way harder than darts but i also got some frogs from a bad breeder and 3 out of the 4 died from red leg a week after getting them so maybe thats why i think they are hard.
30-year-old dart Frogs? 110 basking, 40° low temperatures .. some comments made here are really mind-boggling fallacies.. There is some useful information here as he has some experience, but not advanced Skill level.
Keeping frogs is totally illegal in my state/province, as is keeping spiders and any species that could escape and survive the wild. Any species that is permissible requires a permit. I think its a good idea, and the strategy works well. I think one also has to be cautious of the advice of old keepers, because there are loads of them who refuse to change their ways despite new info being available.
Yeah I’ve always thought that a permitting system would work well… However I think I’d prefer if the process of acquiring and granting Permits remained in the private sector. For example, maybe Herpetological societies could maintain permits in their specific area (rather than government officials who don’t know anything about keeping Reptiles). And yes, totally agree about getting advice from older keepers!
This was interesting but disappointing at the same time, particular near the end. I’m newer to the community (so probably gonna be dismissed), coming from freshwater fish and plant communities, and have two Santa Isabel in a 25g vivarium for a few months and quite enjoying it - after doing quite a lot of research - but I’m not enjoying the community, particular Facebook, outside of specific friend who’s a veteran keeper and some content creators. I have no desire to cross-breed locales (or breed in general atm as a newer keeper- nor do a water feature for them, the other major pain point in community), but I also feel like that some of this discussion was full of a lot of judgement and gatekeeping of the hobby - that’s good self acknowledgement there but maybe a hint to really examine if that’s actually healthy for a community long term… People can have different goals within a given community. Hobby reptile keepers aren’t necessarily doing it for conservancy - that’s a totally fine goal to have for a given person, but it isn’t necessarily what someone else wants, and telling them they’re wrong for that is taking ya’ll goals and trying to force them on others. If a group of folks wants to do that, and keep them well marked so don’t get into the rest of communities bloodlines (which seems fine since reputable breeders do seem to check their bloodlines from what I’ve seen)… let them perhaps? Ignore them instead of shame and trying to forcing them out of the community- that can cut them off from discussion around other husbandry and care information if they decide to pursue that goal also. Both can exist and do in other communities - look at dogs breeds for example, have a registry to protect the locals perhaps. You started talking about mental health, but “hazing” people isn’t *good* for a healthy community IMO -- people are legit bulling people out of the dart community for wanting to do a water feature (which while has risks, can find examples of people doing that fine, and can find people in community to verify that). There’s risks, but there’s also advantages and disadvantages, and people should know about it but be laughed and told off for it? IMO, no, that doesn’t just scare off people wanting to do something like a water feature, but people like myself that find it concerning that people are literally laughing out and semi-bullying folk in comment sections, or refusing to even have discussion on certain topics (like co-habbing), which reduces talk about how to manage the risks. Newer folk can have a different but *valid* perspective. They can provide good, new perspectives - dismissing them like that is really really disappointing. People long in the hobby have important perspectives, but the amount the herp communities justifies crap behavior, particular to newer folk, is so bothersome - ya’ll started this off talking about mental health talk - the mental and physical health of both keepers, potential keepers, and frogs all matter, and the balance seems really off. I’m probably just going to be dismissed as a no-nothing newbie, but the mental health and community builder are things I’m vey not new to - I been part of (including in leadership) of various LGBT and kink communities with a specific focus in inclusivity and accessibility, so that is topics I’ve well versed in - the way the Facebook groups are acting likely does push out more marginalized human populations that don’t have the spoons or bandwidth to deal with “hazing” and an insular echo-chamber. I’d suggest considering harm reduction when it related to all this. Also, I’d suggest instead of saying disposable species, those species and locals (that are being captive bred) are accessible species to newer folk - lot of judgement on people’s intent going into community in that part of discussion. Imo it’s fine to join herp communities for the curiosity aspect, but live and learn - messing up is part of being new to something (and not new), and …it’s okay to mess up.
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Pa❤tess 😊
How do you know what colors of the frogs are dangerous ?
@@davidhead5943 all poison dart frogs carry some level of toxin (in the wild)
The dart frog community is just so good about how strong the ethics are. Every outspoken or "famous" personality on dart frogs seem to really stand tall in their values about these animals and how to properly care for and treat these amazing animals. What a great talk! Loved it so much!
So glad you enjoyed the episode, thank you very much for listening! 😀
I realize I’m a little late to the party but thanks everyone for the nice comments and the support. It was a pleasure being on the show.
Haha better late than never! 😁
Dan is a really well spoken guy. I liked what he was saying about the therapeutic aspects of reptile keeping. I suffer from a pretty severe mental illness. I've found a lot of relief in being extra due diligent and active with my reptile care.
Feeding my uromastyx by hand, feeling him tug at his food while I hold on to the other end, it's very grounding.
It sounds like some hippie "oooooh connect with the natureeee brooo" crap, but it is really calming.
Similarly I'll just take time out of the day to sit on my knees with my face up near his glass, pay attention to his facial expression and really fixate on his scales. Very tranquil.
Also agreed with what you said about cage cleaning. I always dread having to clean, but then when I'm wiping up and sanitizing it's actually very zen-like
Exactly! I can very much relate to this
i want to extend a genuine thank you to you both for the wonderful points you posed in the "how herp affects the keeper" section. ive been trying to find the right words for this and will now send people to the video to explain.
thank you.
Thank you for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed that section! Maybe at some point I will pull that out as a separate clip of its own
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast it really hit home and it was wonderful hearing it from someone else! my toddler and I love your podcast, you're one of the only ones he'll listen to!
I love that! Say hi to him for me 🙂
Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Great episode. I especially enjoyed the section on how keeping can be therapeutic for the keeper. I usually listen to the show as I'm working on enclosure builds or maintenance of some kind. Keeping for me is about providing for our pets but I get so much back in return, especially watching them make use of their habitats. Thanks!
Exactly! Therapeutic is a good word to use, there’s something calming and peaceful about caring for animals. And watching them as well
Hello, Dan! It's been a pleasure to meet you. Even though I only have an old but cherished bearded dragon, I find that, philosophically, we have a lot in common. Following you, just like following Animals At Home, is a no brainier! Thank you, Dillon, for another great episode!
Thank you for listening, Suzanne! I’m glad to hear you’ll be following Dan’s work as well 😁
Amphibian podcast, definitally checking this man's podcast for sure.This gentleman is real . New to the dartfrog hobby, myself. Everything he said made total sense, be listening to Dan's podcasts, thanx Dillon.
Fantastic! You will not be disappointed. Thanks for listening, Larry!
🎉🎉🎉 I’m so more inspired… about the bun now I’ve been doing research… and the fact that he said if you can do a saltwater reef tank… you have a good understanding… helps so much…🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for watching! Glad you found it helpful 😀
Wow Dan out here making me have deep thoughts about why I suddenly decided I needed snakes during the most stressful major life changes.
Haha I know right?!
I always enjoy watching your episodes because of how varied they are and the high caliber of your guests. I learn so much every episode. I found your channel through Rebecca at Leopard Gecko and I have subscribed to to a couple of other channels whose creators you had as guests on your show. I'm going over to Dan's channel next to subscribe.
It's funny because I don't own any reptiles YET. I did help my ex boyfriend with his aquatic turtles and I kept newts in the 90's (I'm an old lady pushing 50 😁). After keeping freshwater tropical fish and plants as well as birds for most of my life, I know that you never stop learning and that pets are a HUGE commitment. That's why I've been researching reptile care (with the help of people like you 😊) for several years now because I want to be totally ready before I get my first lizard and my first snake. Also I appreciate that you focus on taking the best possible care of the pets you have and not just aquiring more and more. Not to mention making sure you can afford veterinary care for routine and emergency appointments. My cat is 17 and she's had over a thousand dollars in vet bills this year; first time she's needed anything other than routine check ups and shots. I know I still have to provide for her and my fish along with my future reptiles. Sorry for rambling but I just really appreciate your work and channel content. Keep up the fantastic work.
Thank you for watching the show, Jeanne 😁 I’m glad to hear you’re enjoying it. Well, when you do eventually get a pet reptile, it will be in very good hands 🙂 Sounds like you are going about it with the right mindset!
This was really good one. I definitely feel like i relate to him a lot! I only have glass frogs but lol they are enough for me for now the amount of fruit flied hopping around at any given time it more than enough lol.
I'm curious why he doesn't think pacman frogs are beginner?
Haha yeah... the fruit flies are definitely not a selling feature 😂 That's a good question! I'll see if I can get Dan to chime in on the comments.
I know this is an old comment but I wanted to give my 2 cents.
I got a pacman frog over 4 years ago as my first ever herp, seeing as they are so highly recommended for beginners. I did want dart frogs, but was recommended a pacman frog to get me started. And it was a nightmare for the first year of his life with me. I couldn't figure out what temperature he wanted, what humidity he wanted, I couldn't get him to reliably eat. I followed all the care guides and care sheets, I listened to everyones advice and watched literally every RUclips video. It wasn't until I said fk this, fk the care sheets, I'm trying my own thing. I got him overhead heat & UVB light despite what everyone says, and all of a sudden the issues started going away. He was eating more, he was moving around his enclosure to thermoregulate and cryptically bask.
And that's why pacman frogs aren't for beginners - cos everything you read about them on the internet is complete and utter nonsense, and most people end up with a dead or suffering frog in the end. Pacman frogs are robust and hardy, so they can tolerate neglect for a long long time. But ultimately, they will perish. I am SO glad I stopped listening to all the care guides & care sheets and instead started listening to my intuition & my frog.
Not to say you CAN'T keep a pacman frog if you are a beginner - I certainly managed it. But there's a hell of a lot of trial and error involved, it seems. Overall I think the hobby needs to drastically raise care standards for pacman frogs. It's such a stark difference; seeing darts in their gorgeous naturalistic terrariums set up to meet every single need - compared to a pacman in an empty tub of coco coir with no light and no heat.
Funny he said that about reef tanks, I obviously started with reef tanks and now I'm really into Thumbnail dart frogs and even more the plants. And yes he's absolutely right. Keeping dart frogs in a vivarium is just like keeping a reef tank. Lmao I also fall asleep to paranormal shows or bigfoot shows, every night. Great show, loved it!
Thanks a lot for watching, glad you enjoyed it! Reef tanks seem like an incredible amount of work, I can imagine how the skill set would transfer to dart frog keeping. I can’t believe you guys are falling asleep the ghost stories 😂😂
Really enjoyed this episode. There's a lot of similarity to the reptile industry. I would say while reptiles will live longer than amphibians when mistreated just means they go through more neglect.
I have considered amphibians but would need time to research before committing.
Thanks for listening, Andy!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Thank YOU for the awesome info 😀
I’m so excited to find an amphibian podcast. Y’all have no idea. Al I do is listen to paranormal podcasts and drag podcasts and plant podcasts and this one here as I don’t find ones about darts. So this is a game changer dude.
Officially have a podcast for each of my hobbies
Excellent! Happy I was able to introduce you to Dan’s podcast, you will not be disappointed!
The closer was the harder part when I started researching. But that being said I keep finding more things I want to do to them
I have a disabled rescue toad named Phil, but otherwise I'm not really a frog guy. That said, I definitely get the dart frog keeper mentality of wanting to care for a cube of naturalistic rainforest in your living room. My snakes live in as close to a slice of temperate forest as I can replicate. The super tiny redbellied snakes climb on every leaf and branch harmlessly to the plants, and their viv is so full of greenery i have to prune it back regularly. My garters snakes kinda stemroll their plants so only the tougher ones that can bounce back survive. I can only imagine the struggle of planted boa tanks! Thanks as always for doing this podcast! I enjoy every episode.
Thank you for watching episode Bob! Yes, I can completely relate to their want to achieve nature in their home as well. Like you say, it’s a lot easier to do when you’re keeping small creatures. My boas tend to steamroll everything as well 😂
Similar thing happens to normal aka wild morphs of some of these common pets cause people treat them like they're boring just because of their morph but for my first ball python I wanted a normal because it's still an amazing animal and it saddens me seeing them not receiving the love they deserve
Yes, I completely agree!
Im honestly planning to get the most disposable breed ahaha i already had it planned out there so beautiful idc! Its ether them or the all blue ones with black specks on them or the infamous " Arena Blanca " lol
Looking forward to this one!
Enjoy! :)
Hi! I was just wondering if you have or would do a podcast about old world rat snakes? Natural history, keeping and breeding? They are pretty uncommon in the USA and finding information on then is kinda difficult. Love your videos! Very informative and interesting.
That is a great idea, I will add that to my list! I have a guest in mind that would be great for that
This is so cool and im think about get replite!
Awesome!
Batesian mimickry. That's the name. It is the case of some species to resemble other non-related species because individuals with those characteristics have superior survival rates and fitness.
By the way, there's much in what the guest says about morphs and I am totally about species conservation but I would add that some culture in some morphs might prevent many people from agravating wild animals trade.
Another good podcast.
I figured someone would jump into the comments to help us out! Thanks for adding that. And yes, that’s a great point about morphs perturbing the wild caught trade. Glad you enjoyed the episode!
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast , I always like your episodes. I can't think of any episode which doesn't adress pertinent issues.
You have one of the best ( if not the best ) of reptile and amphibian husbandry channels. It is truly a unique source of knowledge. And hosted by a guy who is always a very nice and gentle one.
By the way, I'm still finishing my channel and website which adresses a way of making captivity virtually almost has living in the wild but I had some health personal issues and so I'm still working on that, whuch was supposed to be starting six months ago. My apologies for that.
Congratulations, Dylon, for "Animals At Home". I really apreciate that it exists.
P.S.: what about "group" instead of "collection" and "foreign" instead of "exotic"? 😉
Thank you very much for the kind words, I really appreciate it 🙂 i’m sorry to hear about your health issues, I hope you are feeling better. Definitely keep me in the loop, and looking forward to seeing what you’re working on!
I think those words would work quite well, I have an episode coming up in two weeks with a zookeeper that points out a few issues with using the term “group”, it is something I hadn’t even thought about before, you will surely find it interesting!
First here! Stoked to start my Sunday with this one
Enjoy! 😁
49:16
This is hard because depending on who you ask if you take a 50k gold watch and put 50k worth of diamonds you'll either have a watch worth 100k or something worth far less than 50k... Or a 5k pure bred German shepherd bred to a 5k pure bred husky won't make a 10k dog because people care about purity.
Personally I prefer an iced out watch and my blue eyed German shepherd 🤷🏻♂️
What is the calcium-enriched clay that he mentioned? Is it something you buy or is he just using clay from a stream bed or something?
Dan says he buys it from Glass Box Tropicals!
its funny i started with darts and i got whites later and i find them way harder than darts but i also got some frogs from a bad breeder and 3 out of the 4 died from red leg a week after getting them so maybe thats why i think they are hard.
30-year-old dart Frogs? 110 basking, 40° low temperatures .. some comments made here are really mind-boggling fallacies.. There is some useful information here as he has some experience, but not advanced Skill level.
Keeping frogs is totally illegal in my state/province, as is keeping spiders and any species that could escape and survive the wild. Any species that is permissible requires a permit. I think its a good idea, and the strategy works well. I think one also has to be cautious of the advice of old keepers, because there are loads of them who refuse to change their ways despite new info being available.
Yeah I’ve always thought that a permitting system would work well… However I think I’d prefer if the process of acquiring and granting Permits remained in the private sector. For example, maybe Herpetological societies could maintain permits in their specific area (rather than government officials who don’t know anything about keeping Reptiles). And yes, totally agree about getting advice from older keepers!
I thought frogs that are colors like that are dangerous 32:34
They are poisonous but generally not considered dangerous to humans. Some species are more toxic than others
tY AaH!!! hermit crab
Thank you for watching! 🙂
Hai
Have dart frogs and I’m in a lot of groups. And they might be the biggest gatekeepers I’ve ever seen. If you do one thing wrong they obliterate you.
This was interesting but disappointing at the same time, particular near the end. I’m newer to the community (so probably gonna be dismissed), coming from freshwater fish and plant communities, and have two Santa Isabel in a 25g vivarium for a few months and quite enjoying it - after doing quite a lot of research - but I’m not enjoying the community, particular Facebook, outside of specific friend who’s a veteran keeper and some content creators.
I have no desire to cross-breed locales (or breed in general atm as a newer keeper- nor do a water feature for them, the other major pain point in community), but I also feel like that some of this discussion was full of a lot of judgement and gatekeeping of the hobby - that’s good self acknowledgement there but maybe a hint to really examine if that’s actually healthy for a community long term… People can have different goals within a given community. Hobby reptile keepers aren’t necessarily doing it for conservancy - that’s a totally fine goal to have for a given person, but it isn’t necessarily what someone else wants, and telling them they’re wrong for that is taking ya’ll goals and trying to force them on others. If a group of folks wants to do that, and keep them well marked so don’t get into the rest of communities bloodlines (which seems fine since reputable breeders do seem to check their bloodlines from what I’ve seen)… let them perhaps? Ignore them instead of shame and trying to forcing them out of the community- that can cut them off from discussion around other husbandry and care information if they decide to pursue that goal also. Both can exist and do in other communities - look at dogs breeds for example, have a registry to protect the locals perhaps.
You started talking about mental health, but “hazing” people isn’t *good* for a healthy community IMO -- people are legit bulling people out of the dart community for wanting to do a water feature (which while has risks, can find examples of people doing that fine, and can find people in community to verify that). There’s risks, but there’s also advantages and disadvantages, and people should know about it but be laughed and told off for it? IMO, no, that doesn’t just scare off people wanting to do something like a water feature, but people like myself that find it concerning that people are literally laughing out and semi-bullying folk in comment sections, or refusing to even have discussion on certain topics (like co-habbing), which reduces talk about how to manage the risks.
Newer folk can have a different but *valid* perspective. They can provide good, new perspectives - dismissing them like that is really really disappointing. People long in the hobby have important perspectives, but the amount the herp communities justifies crap behavior, particular to newer folk, is so bothersome - ya’ll started this off talking about mental health talk - the mental and physical health of both keepers, potential keepers, and frogs all matter, and the balance seems really off.
I’m probably just going to be dismissed as a no-nothing newbie, but the mental health and community builder are things I’m vey not new to - I been part of (including in leadership) of various LGBT and kink communities with a specific focus in inclusivity and accessibility, so that is topics I’ve well versed in - the way the Facebook groups are acting likely does push out more marginalized human populations that don’t have the spoons or bandwidth to deal with “hazing” and an insular echo-chamber.
I’d suggest considering harm reduction when it related to all this.
Also, I’d suggest instead of saying disposable species, those species and locals (that are being captive bred) are accessible species to newer folk - lot of judgement on people’s intent going into community in that part of discussion. Imo it’s fine to join herp communities for the curiosity aspect, but live and learn - messing up is part of being new to something (and not new), and
…it’s okay to mess up.
Thank you for watching the episode and sharing your thoughts! Very much appreciated!
No animals are disposable - they are living beings!!!
Agreed!