Adding that length of cable alone to any ignition system is going to have effects. I get the intentions, but the execution was poor. Respect to all the lads for doing these interviews with such professionalism, after suffering the cost of this failed experiment.
Yeah I was surprised with how well they all spoke at a time when they probably could have really gone off. A few others have mentioned the length of the wiring as a potential issue. A shame because the work and idea is something that we all want to be a positive thing. Thanks for watching and commenting! Toby
This is just sad. There has to be some accountability here. Especially on opening night. Williamson Motorsport, Keen Racing Team, James Inglis Motorsport & Kris Coyle Motorsport need to take this further without question.
Good that they are testing and hope they keep at it, fans will become disinterested if integrity cannot be maintained, too many rumors of traction control being used, generally where there is smoke there is fire
I get what they are trying to do but it was rumoured years ago, that they had a chip that was attached to fishing line that they’d pull out after a run anyway and pop up sleeves while leaving track. So if anyone was running something (not saying they were) but they could have removed anyway. Great vid Toby👌
interesting stories.... - we've got one motor apparently running hot and making metal. - one motor not burning fuel. - all motors not revving. - when the device was removed there was no change on one car claiming engine damage? - the track was making track records therefore being hooked up and less wheelspin causing less RPM. - If the device removed ignition timing "somehow" it would simply be a ''remove the device'' and goes back to ''normal'' - If the device added ignition timing the plugs would be melted and there would be holes in the pistons. Few holes in all this to be honest... will be interesting to see how it plays out.
If you know you know and there is no way that thing is going on my motor. They don't know what that thing done ,that is the problem. could be changing timing all race. I'm saying if you know you know. AND DRIVERS KNOW
Compensation for impacted teams and reset series points. 2 of the last 3 champions been hit by this. SCCA acting like it’s just a coincidence that 4 out of 4 cars had issues. Insane
It's a shame this is the talking point from the opening night of the Perth Motorplex when we had 13 cars go under the track record with Micheal Pickens doing a 12.460 ,Jack Williamson getting a heat win. The record opening night crowd of 7000 people.
Good kiwi taking the track record!We are dominating you Aussies at the moment on the sporting front 😊…rugby netball soon to be league this weekend when we smoke the kangaroo’s…go Michael Pickens!
That's something I want people to understand, too. At the same time, some forms are adjustable and no one should have that advantage. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
I'm assuming that teams run different ignition boxes or at least their settings. If traction control is an issue, surely the SCCA could mandate a standard ignition box across for all sprintcar engines with standard settings.
Not much. Not much at all, especially when the track is super heavy. They want all they can get. Engines are pretty much the same except for parts manufacturer and they all have really good parts or they would be out of business
Ive personally chased a misfire for months on an AMCA National Speedway car that came down to the chinese starter button that had been wired in instead of a good quality switch. Electronics that arent ecu controlled are notorious for problems. Adding any extra cables at all to a loom sounds like disaster and delay to me. But im not a sprintcar crew chief just an AMCA one.
Besides throwing out the whole night’s points, the only compromise I can think of is allowing each team to throw out any night this season where they were there and started a feature. That is still not equivalent or fair, but it gets about halfway there (depending on the number of races and the points structure), if you consider the stipulations that they have to be there and start a feature.
The only reason I throw this out, even though I’m nobody but an ex racer, is because it doesn’t punish the guys that did run well that night. Throwing it out completely punishes them, but I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution.
Good thought but poorly executed. I'd be curious as to lap time difference, with and without. Best hot lap vs best heat race lap. Or even an average from one to another. Great vid Toby 👍👍
@@wildtrackadventures4986 do you know how traction control works? When done correctly it will limit wheel spin under acceleration which is an advantage. The unit in this video was only supposed to detect if anyone was using TC, not detune teams engines
Dyno testing SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MUST. Why put these teams through the grief of potentially destroying $100 plus grand worth of powerplant. Plenty of time in the off-season.
I really wanted to clear up what testing had been done but wasn't able to get all of that info. Hopefully it comes out soon although it's probably something that the SCCA should have proven before forcing cars to run the device. Toby
How many times can the SCCA do this kind of stuff before people say Fk it i can not afford their BS anymore? Sprintcar racing is ment to be RAW and if people are using traction control there has to be a different way to stamp it out. Maybe tested and sealed MSDs at the start of the season? How and what they test I do not know but it would be possible and at less detriment to engines the SCCA will fight not to repair!
What is the end game with this device. Are they planning to run them on all competitors cars as a preventative measure or are they going to just continue to spring it on random cars as they roll out of the pits and try and catch people in the act?
Yeah because as we know the davis tech unit can be pocket operated by crewcheif on the hill. if the device is fitted you just turn off the davis unit and claim engine performance suffered. Thats the interesting thing about what theyre claiming. im not putting blame on either the scca or the teams. it just causes an interesting grey area and holes that can be poked for now
Another example of people who should know better, don't. Wonder if the owners, sponsors, drivers get compensated for the loss of this stupid idea. Wonder what would've happened if someone got hurt? Bloody idiots. Australia needs someone to take sprint cars and run it properly. Hey JayMac? Whadaya doin next year? Want a job?
There was definitely testing done. As for what that looked like exactly, I wasn't able to get all of that info. There was definitely on track testing done. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
I understand drivers in a way need to be kept in the dark to i suppose catch the cheaters out. But this just looks like a pull the trigger early fuck up like that bloody chinese thing they wanted to stick to helmets. The sport wants to look like a more professional motorsport, shit like this makes ya think they still running it like the 90s 🤦♂️
I think simply communicating the test data would have helped a lot. Even if the in-competition tests went wrong, we could at least accept that was an outlier. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
WTH $120.000 for a 410 motor .....Boom there's the problem with right there... that's crazy money.....For what it costs to run at the top end and for what you can win just don't add up .... an old saying if it ain't broke don't try and fix it. I believe the LS 360 class is the way to go for cost-effective racing...Another thing I see a lot and never gets bought up is how about making "scales mandatory" at every track that runs Sprintcars.... And traction Control, really, any team who has to cheat to be competitive is only cheating themselves...... what's next front wing adjustments from inside the cockpit ....There's no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Just keep rolling with what we all really have.....
Thanks for watching and commenting mate. I love that the sanctioning body is working to ensure the sport is a competitive and fair environment. Unfortunately there's clearly been some issues initially. Toby
Adding that length of cable alone to any ignition system is going to have effects. I get the intentions, but the execution was poor. Respect to all the lads for doing these interviews with such professionalism, after suffering the cost of this failed experiment.
Yeah I was surprised with how well they all spoke at a time when they probably could have really gone off.
A few others have mentioned the length of the wiring as a potential issue.
A shame because the work and idea is something that we all want to be a positive thing.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Toby
If the engine damage is 100% as a result of the device, the SCCA should be soley responsible for covering the cost of repairs to them
Sounds like it was a traction control device than an actual detector
That is what 1 guy said. That is a LOL
This is just sad. There has to be some accountability here. Especially on opening night. Williamson Motorsport, Keen Racing Team, James Inglis Motorsport & Kris Coyle Motorsport need to take this further without question.
Good that they are testing and hope they keep at it, fans will become disinterested if integrity cannot be maintained, too many rumors of traction control being used, generally where there is smoke there is fire
I get what they are trying to do but it was rumoured years ago, that they had a chip that was attached to fishing line that they’d pull out after a run anyway and pop up sleeves while leaving track. So if anyone was running something (not saying they were) but they could have removed anyway. Great vid Toby👌
interesting stories....
- we've got one motor apparently running hot and making metal.
- one motor not burning fuel.
- all motors not revving.
- when the device was removed there was no change on one car claiming engine damage?
- the track was making track records therefore being hooked up and less wheelspin causing less RPM.
- If the device removed ignition timing "somehow" it would simply be a ''remove the device'' and goes back to ''normal''
- If the device added ignition timing the plugs would be melted and there would be holes in the pistons.
Few holes in all this to be honest... will be interesting to see how it plays out.
If you know you know and there is no way that thing is going on my motor. They don't know what that thing done ,that is the problem. could be changing timing all race. I'm saying if you know you know. AND DRIVERS KNOW
@@JerryColeman-m8w Time will tell :)
Would be embarrassing for the teams making claims and there’s no difference.
Compensation for impacted teams and reset series points. 2 of the last 3 champions been hit by this. SCCA acting like it’s just a coincidence that 4 out of 4 cars had issues. Insane
It's a shame this is the talking point from the opening night of the Perth Motorplex when we had 13 cars go under the track record with Micheal Pickens doing a 12.460 ,Jack Williamson getting a heat win. The record opening night crowd of 7000 people.
Good kiwi taking the track record!We are dominating you Aussies at the moment on the sporting front 😊…rugby netball soon to be league this weekend when we smoke the kangaroo’s…go Michael Pickens!
im surprised a traction control device is even useful when tire spin is needed in these cars.
With traction control you set a desire slip target to achieve maximum acceleration.
It's not about achieving zero wheel spin
That's something I want people to understand, too.
At the same time, some forms are adjustable and no one should have that advantage.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
Be interesting to hear what the engine builders have to say after inspecting the motors
It won't be good
I'm assuming that teams run different ignition boxes or at least their settings. If traction control is an issue, surely the SCCA could mandate a standard ignition box across for all sprintcar engines with standard settings.
Not much. Not much at all, especially when the track is super heavy. They want all they can get. Engines are pretty much the same except for parts manufacturer and they all have really good parts or they would be out of business
Ive personally chased a misfire for months on an AMCA National Speedway car that came down to the chinese starter button that had been wired in instead of a good quality switch. Electronics that arent ecu controlled are notorious for problems. Adding any extra cables at all to a loom sounds like disaster and delay to me. But im not a sprintcar crew chief just an AMCA one.
If you are a driver, if you know you know. Our driver could feel if our fueling was barely off. And I mean barely
Besides throwing out the whole night’s points, the only compromise I can think of is allowing each team to throw out any night this season where they were there and started a feature. That is still not equivalent or fair, but it gets about halfway there (depending on the number of races and the points structure), if you consider the stipulations that they have to be there and start a feature.
*including* start a feature
The only reason I throw this out, even though I’m nobody but an ex racer, is because it doesn’t punish the guys that did run well that night. Throwing it out completely punishes them, but I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution.
I wouldn't put on my car unless everyone had to run it at the same time
After that they would have to show me data that it works the way it is supposed to or it ain't going on my very expensive motor
Does anyone know of ANYBODY getting caught in a major 410 sprint car series with TC? Because I haven't. Please let me know
What about to the loss of points for these guys?
Unfair for a start of the season.
Good thought but poorly executed. I'd be curious as to lap time difference, with and without. Best hot lap vs best heat race lap. Or even an average from one to another.
Great vid Toby 👍👍
they were told the test device was safe and effective ... !
No, They said they were pretty sure. WTF?????
I think the controlling bodies should be testing these devices at their own expense. Not at the cost of a competitors engine or series points
What race cars use traction control I don't hear of any .
Anyone using traction control is not going to tell you. That's the whole idea of cheating
@@wildtrackadventures4986 ask Donny...
@maaatu16 I don't see how it's cheating your not gaining nothing ? Your actually detuning your engine so your slower
@@wildtrackadventures4986 do you know how traction control works? When done correctly it will limit wheel spin under acceleration which is an advantage. The unit in this video was only supposed to detect if anyone was using TC, not detune teams engines
Did anyone in the scca consult with MSD in developing the device?
@@KevinCouzens most likely not 😂
Remember an expert is just a drip under pressure.
Dyno testing SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MUST. Why put these teams through the grief of potentially destroying $100 plus grand worth of powerplant. Plenty of time in the off-season.
I really wanted to clear up what testing had been done but wasn't able to get all of that info.
Hopefully it comes out soon although it's probably something that the SCCA should have proven before forcing cars to run the device.
Toby
How many times can the SCCA do this kind of stuff before people say Fk it i can not afford their BS anymore?
Sprintcar racing is ment to be RAW and if people are using traction control there has to be a different way to stamp it out. Maybe tested and sealed MSDs at the start of the season? How and what they test I do not know but it would be possible and at less detriment to engines the SCCA will fight not to repair!
What is the end game with this device. Are they planning to run them on all competitors cars as a preventative measure or are they going to just continue to spring it on random cars as they roll out of the pits and try and catch people in the act?
Yeah because as we know the davis tech unit can be pocket operated by crewcheif on the hill. if the device is fitted you just turn off the davis unit and claim engine performance suffered. Thats the interesting thing about what theyre claiming. im not putting blame on either the scca or the teams. it just causes an interesting grey area and holes that can be poked for now
Another example of people who should know better, don't. Wonder if the owners, sponsors, drivers get compensated for the loss of this stupid idea. Wonder what would've happened if someone got hurt? Bloody idiots. Australia needs someone to take sprint cars and run it properly.
Hey JayMac? Whadaya doin next year? Want a job?
@@68peterbilt68 considering jmac was an engine builder himself for KRE, it would be interesting to see his take on this device
Testing should have been done in the off season with the device. Somebody is getting kickbacks for sure.
There was definitely testing done.
As for what that looked like exactly, I wasn't able to get all of that info.
There was definitely on track testing done.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
Allow EFI
They damaged their engines !!!!
I understand drivers in a way need to be kept in the dark to i suppose catch the cheaters out. But this just looks like a pull the trigger early fuck up like that bloody chinese thing they wanted to stick to helmets. The sport wants to look like a more professional motorsport, shit like this makes ya think they still running it like the 90s 🤦♂️
I think simply communicating the test data would have helped a lot.
Even if the in-competition tests went wrong, we could at least accept that was an outlier.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
Why would you test it. It will ruin the sport. i
Like they've ruined supercars ... You can thank the insurance company's
It's definitely a move in the right direction although it hasn't gone to plan yet.
Toby
And they still Start a tear down Huh Sure glad I'm not paying these guys 100 or 200 bucks an hour To diagnose a problem Just saying
WTH $120.000 for a 410 motor .....Boom there's the problem with right there... that's crazy money.....For what it costs to run at the top end and for what you can win just don't add up .... an old saying if it ain't broke don't try and fix it.
I believe the LS 360 class is the way to go for cost-effective racing...Another thing I see a lot and never gets bought up is how about making "scales mandatory" at every track that runs Sprintcars.... And traction Control, really, any team who has to cheat to be competitive is only cheating themselves...... what's next front wing adjustments from inside the cockpit ....There's no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Just keep rolling with what we all really have.....
Thanks for watching and commenting mate.
I love that the sanctioning body is working to ensure the sport is a competitive and fair environment. Unfortunately there's clearly been some issues initially.
Toby