Great video Jeff! With me just getting back into the hobby after many years this is what I need. I haven’t flown much at all yet, I have just been building them because that’s what I enjoy doing. But I would like to fly, I’m just scared to crash them right now. Thank you for the beginner/learning videos. They are a great help to me!
Thank you very much. Can you Makel more Videos for beginners like this? I and other beginners want more Videos, with second camera on a Radio control, like today. Thank you for Your content.
@@westhobbiesrc8051I agree. Sometimes I would do a acrobatic manoever but I dont „feel“ the stick movement what I really should do. Because I dont want to waste money,crashing my heli. Maybe you can make some chapters. Beginner, advanced or critical situation movement videos. That would be cool. Subscription is hit
Thanks for this reminder. I'm guilty of doing this. Loops are sooooo fun!!! I love this hobby because to get good you must have extreme discipline and diligence and this is what you're explaining. Thanks
I was the same way! Once I could hover and fly around, I went right into learning 3-D. But I never learned the fundamentals to build off of so after crashing all the time because the helicopter would get into an orientation that I was not comfortable with, and I couldn’t save it Because We didn’t have Rescue was your fingers lol so I went back to basically starting over learning the fundamentals and progressing and I became a way better pilot a lot quicker. This is the only hobby in the world that no matter how much money you have or how poor you are you can’t buy experience skills.
Absolutely! Great advice. This works for any RC shortcut the basics and you need to fine the shortcuts to the hobby shop for parts! I think we all are guilty of wanting to progress to fast at times.
Great advice Jeff! We (novices) hate to hear it over and over, but after crashing my second heli hard enough to write it off, I decided to hit the Sim hard this winter and only fly fundamentals. It’s paying off already. I now find that controlled inverted “basic” flying is more rewarding than the choppy 3d I was attempting last summer. I’m really looking forward to trying it out for real in the spring!
So it will teach bad habits because you’re not building that muscle memory. So with the simulator, I always act like they are my actual helicopters and I don’t act like I can just press reset. Believe it or not that actually teaches your brain to fly them more like real life and not crash as much
There's so many groups on Facebook, Reddit, & a few others that need to see this video. Hopefully I'm allowed to share this in the groups because alot of ppl needs to have this embedded in their brain. 👍 Thanks for this Jeff!
Solid advice. Consistency is key. I just started flying and it’s a huge rush to perform even these simple maneuvers without crashing. I’m hoping to learn inverted flying soon.
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful, it is a ton of practice and consistency and like I said it is extremely boring to just fly around when you want to learn 3-D, but you have to do it and then progress into inverted flight. I’ll be making a video very soon on inverted flight!
Another thing Jeff: A lot of beginners don’t use idle ups so they tend to bob up and down real bad. Just got all mine set up correctly and it’s SO MUCH BETTER. Great video as always Jeff! PEACE!
When I learned how to fly, we didn’t have idle up lol we just had a linear throttle curve so that is how I learned. I personally think a flat throttle curve is a really good way to keep a consistent head speed. But a lot of people seem to slam postive and negative, so I always recommend when you are beginning and learning to take almost all negative out until you get used to it.
Good advice. The great thing is that when you constantly repeat the boring stuff until you feel completely in control you'll also find it much easier to learn more difficult manouvers later. Just do your hover orientations, then slow piro hovers, into forward, backward and sideways circles/figure 8s, then the same thing upside down until it takes no mental effort at all. Eventually you'll progress faster, with more confidence and less crashing, so you'll have more fun but it's a long term investment. If you can not control the helicopter exactly where you want it in every orientation and flying direction then it makes no sense to learn a manouver that makes use of them.
Exactly! Control and consistency is key. You see so many pilots that can smack a helicopter around and they’re really good at 3-D but they have no control. I called them stick bangers where everything looks sloppy helicopters all over the place personally I am big on control and precision, which to me makes the flight look so much better
What's interesting is I can do most of that except fly backwards for a big distance...but I don't find it boring doing any of that, I really enjoy just flying the basics.
I really enjoyed this video. I'm just getting back into the hobby after many years away. I could do basic circuits but not inverted. My goal is to be able to do exactly what you just demonstrated. I always loved slow smooth flying. My favorite pilot was Mark Fadley, he could do it all but was mainly a big air pilot. I have a struggle point of setting up a FBL electric helicopter. All my experience was with nitro flybarred helis. I lived near Greensboro, NC for a while when I was young, what city or town are you located? Thanks for all you do for the hobby.
I hope this video is helpful for you! Welcome back to the helicopter side of the hobby. It is a great hobby as you know a lot has changed over the years before the better. I personally really enjoyed the smooth 3-D flying over the hard-core snack. I am in middle Tennessee. Not too far from Greensboro.
Solid advice Jeff. One thing I've learned is sim time is critical. It's the boring stuff that'll save your heli when you goof up. There are no short cuts or cheat codes for RC heli flying. It's quite a funny learning curve, it just hits you and comes together...especially the 4 point hover. and Inverted 4 point hover. Definitely one of the more challenging hobbies but it's by far the best. Huge thanks for the stick cam too!!
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful! I agree with that, one day it just clicks. I was having the hardest time just learning backwards circuits for example and I kept practicing and practicing and I said it down for about a week got back on the simulator and it was just a naturally. Everyone progresses at their own rate.
Everyone progresses at their own rate. It can take anywhere from 100 hours to 1000 hours. Personally, what I am practicing a new maneuver I limit my time to 15 minutes a day too much practice is not good. Some days I will get so frustrated and I’ll come back the next day and it just hit me and I can do the maneuver no problem.
Sleep is critical for building muscle memory. Practice can definitely get frustrating at times when mental load is high. But even if you are seemingly not making progress, just getting some rest and getting back to it the next day at some point it'll suddenly just work. That's how the process works and there are strong diminishing returns on longer sim sessions. Consistency is far more important than grinding for hours at a time.
Absolutely fantastic video and great advice. This video will surely help many new people in the hobby. I myself will take on board some things you mentioned in your video. All the best Jeff, safe flights. 👍🏻
Thank you! I hope the video was helpful and I hope it helps a lot of new people learning or getting frustrated with their flying. I hope it helps you as well.
Another Incredible Video, Jeff!! I hope that You and Your Entire Family are All doing well and staying Safe My friend!! Hello to everyone and take care of yourself!!!!!
Nice to see fellow hybrid pinch flyer. I don't know how thumb flyer can be as precise especially the pros. Wish I had a big flying field like you are at in this video.
I cannot fly with thumbs. I don’t know how people do it. I have tried and it is super sloppy. It is much faster, but that’s why I fly pinch hybrid. It is a beautiful flying field, especially on days like the day. I recorded this video where I was the only one out there almost all day
hit the nail on the head, if you want to fly 3d it requires alot of discipline and there really arent any shortcuts. you gotta develop the muscle memory and do it safety. coming back into the hobby i have alot more patience this time around to spend the time doing the boring circuits and all the orientation training. it pays off.
You are exactly right! It takes a ton of practice, discipline, work! You need to practice practice practice and if you are trying to learn a specific maneuver, even if it’s just a figure that’s all you need to do for days on end.
Absolutely agree with your logic and instruction. In fact your videos have greatly helped me from time to time, thank you. I think the word “boring” should be replaced with “routine” instead. While I’m not the most aggressive 3D heli pilot or 3D fixed wing pilot, routine flying can be enjoyable and even challenging at times. Example I was flying one of my Nano S3’s last night in normal mode & was amazed at the simplicity vs any other platform I own & how much fun it was simply doing really tight figure 8s in & out of the garden and trees. Your video does stand correct in the principle as new pilots do need to master “routine & boring” to the point it becomes second nature & the muscle memory instinctive prior to stunts and tricks. That said my Nano certainly isn’t able to increase my heart rate, anymore like my higher end helicopters do. But then again I don’t always need to be on the potential verge of cardiac arrest while flying these days. Routine flying suits me just fine as I get older.
Great advice however I started out like you said you did but I got a really light and small HK 110s heli and learned on that and the sim. The little heli kept things pretty safe and it was almost indestructible as I had crashed it a hand full of times. I then got a RS4 venom and built it to your exact specs and then realized how much easier the bigger heli was to fly although a bit scarier so it demanded a little more respect. I flew the venom for a couple of months and purchased a used steam 700 V2 Pro and was amazed at how much easier this bigger heli was to fly and much more respect was given to the dangers of flying a heli this size wow. Ive been flying for a couple years now and your right if you learn to do tricks before learning all the basics then you will have a hard to progressing as I have now. My struggle currently is flying backwards in circles which seems like it would be easy since I can flip, roll, stall turn, hover upside down in all directions, I can do half piros and sometime full piros. The struggle is real. Lol
The typical mistakes many beginners do is,trying to fly like a pro! I believe that is the root cause of their tendencies to neglect the basics and go straight into flips,tic tocs and piro flips (tic tocs is one that they all try to do in the beginning).The pro's somewhat create the illusion that what they do is easy and "I can do that" attitude grows from there for the beginner.Some may have an ego issue to the point where they try (and i do mean try) to emulate what the pro's do to no avail and than it becomes a money pit,therefore they get discouraged and never to be seen from ever again! In some cases there are people with more money than brains and continue their failed attempts. If only they can understand that the "Pro's" also started with the basic flights, maybe than they'll come to their senses and actually work on basic flights.But from my witnessing throughout the 21 years of flying they all want to get on that "Express lane" and get there in the minimal amount of time it took many pro's to get there.But what really chaps my hide is when someone asks me how to do certain 3D maneuvers and I suggest starting at the beginning of basic flights and orientations,they than disregard the friendly suggestion and continue to emulate Tareq! I need not explain here what their final results were,after futile attempts to fly like a "Pro". Anyway,thank you Jeff for the hopefully eye opening video towards the beginners in hopes they will succumb to the realization of this hobby...Regards!🙂👍
I agree! That’s the main reason I make videos like this. Because I am in no way a pro pilot. But there is people that watch my channel that want to fly the way I fly, but can’t hover. And not everybody wants to go out and become a hard-core smack 3-D pilot but you still need to learn these fundamentals and the basic orientations no matter how you want to fly or the style you want to do. Jumping into Tic toc, elevator or Aileron flips is Just asking For disaster if you have no idea how to do the fundamental flight. And like you said, it pushes people out of the hobby because crashing is extremely expensive and they never come back. And not only any of that but safety! These machines are extremely dangerous.
Too late. Well not too late but I did that very thing. I can do flips, rolls, inverted nose in, tick tocks, I can even do a funnel, but still don’t really fly normal towards myself. I’m now going back to basics and that’s hard.
What a great boost to my moral! I've taken my S1 upside down a few times, but I just dont want to do it to anything else. Too many egos in this hobby I've seen; flaunting high skill; but then bashing noobs with #getgud or 'he just likes his stickers. I want to blow a gasket when I get: 'I'm more focused on improving my flying than building' snide comments to belittle me for being a perfectionist about my building experience. PS. Wife really enjoyed this video, her exact comment was your flying demonstration was exactly how she wants to be able wrap up this summer. We got her hovering her S1 pretty reasonable, I think she is ready to start with the S2 when the weather improves. Like I said, the other day she was also bringing up an AK420; its a perfect entry size to grow with that wont be harsh on the wallet when it crashes :) The Venom is just too nice and I have RTU's on it. So its not really viable for her skill and I am just at a level of comfortable doing basic circuits myself.
It is very boring to sit there and hover around or do a circle left or right you can only do it so much before you just want to try something new even though you’re not ready to try something new. So take your time learn the fundamentals and before you know it, you’ll be flying inverted upright, etc. that’s awesome! I’m glad she enjoyed the video. The AK 420 is a great little cheap beater helicopter that she can learn on and they are extremely cheap to crash.
@@westhobbiesrc8051that was when I was stuck, I’m practicing backwards but I already move it around and do the maneuvers so I’m not stopping those just adding more orientation practice
Thank you for the video. I’ve been flying for about a month with my xk110 and I’m at the exact point you mentioned. I can reasonably hover so now I want to try inverted. Still honing my skills and just picked up an S2 to handle the wind better. This may be a stupid question but do heli’s 400+ in size have stability modes?
Aside from the sim, what has been your go to heli size and type for doing this basic learning? I have a Trex 500 with an old VBar that mostly works for me. Is there something more up-to-date?
So believe it or not I really don’t use the simulator too much anymore. I just find it easier and better for me to do it in real life just up higher. But the 550/600 size helicopter is my favorite. The new Vbar system is awesome! Flight performance is unreal.
Yes! You need to learn micro corrections. Meaning in a self level mode, you’re not teaching your brain. The micro corrections needed to hold that helicopter perfectly level while you were hovering. That is the one downfall and thing I do not like about auto leveling.
Hi great advice Jeff i can do basic hover orientations and lazy eights but, I can not get my head around backwards flight can you offer any advice or a video with some tips
I’ll make a separate video about flying backwards. It is definitely very tricky upright converted. It takes a ton of practice and just teaching yourself. What taught me was a cheap little fixed pitch helicopter that I could crash over and over again and just learn backwards flying
i miss these kind of videos, so much drone videos out there, i thought rc helicopters was gone, I train someone to fly rc helicopters, i was telling them to bring it up to eye level and fly around close, this was on a fixed pitch heli, and dont try to go to high, to much wind to high or far away, but he got someone else to train him, cause he said i was training him wrong, What you think?
Thanks! Still learning, broke my trex450 lots of times already. May biggest problem was not sensing/seeing the movement of the model to me and from me on a flat screen in the SIM. Left/right and up/ down on the screen is easy to see. But closer/farther is not. So, I didn't find practicing in the sim useful for this particular axis of viewing the model. It was not very interesting. So I tried loops and stall turns, and some invert flight on high altitude in the sim, and then in real life. And crashed ))) Now, I decided to buy 2nd hand VR goggles to practice in the sim, instead of buying spare parts. Its a huge level -up in sim practicing, the sense of model movement is excellent, like in real life. It's totally worth buying, will save more money in the end, than learning on the real model. Also, I didn't have a bailout feature, and after your videos I am now looking for Ikon2 or spirit fbl unit, with this feature. Thanks a lot for your content!
Try adding opposite colors to your canopy so even if its a blur you can instantly tell which orientation you are in. Blades that have color on one side but not the other are really helpful too. Happy landings!
Believe it or not I’ve never been a huge simulator person! I’ve always learned better in real life than on a computer. But the virtual reality siming is awesome! I got the play with that a while ago and definitely like it more.
I have bought a fair number of 700 size machines from people who thought because they could afford it could start out with a 700 then as soon as those blades start turning, self preservation kicks in and they immediately shut it down and sell it.Admittedly they are more stable and easier to fly but are extremely dangerous in the hands of a beginner and usually incorrectly assembled. Everyone progresses at their own rate and don’t be self conscious about asking for help. We all started at the same place. Over all the majority of people in this hobby are ready and willing to help in person or on the forums. Once in a while you come across the occasional arrogant know it all but that is rare. Right now I am trying to assist someone I met on one of the forums but he is in a foreign country with 6 hour time difference and the only person he has been able to find locally to help him is charging him a lot of money to help with builds and setup but won’t actually show him how it’s done because he just wants to keep the money flowing. I have directed him to some of your videos which is very helpful for him when I can’t properly explain something without a video reference. So thanks for the assist, I will have him send you a check😁🚁🚁🚁
It’s always sad when people jump into a 700 size machine as their first helicopter and have never flown before. It definitely intimidates and discourages people from the hockey. I am a believer and fly the biggest you can afford to crash. You may be able to afford a 700 size machine, but if you can’t fix it when they go in then there is no point. I think a 500 size is the helicopter to learn on. The best thing about FBL systems today you can tune and make them fly from small to big identical. There is a lot of people in this hobby that gatekeeping only do it for money. That is the reason I started. This channel is free informational videos to help everybody out. If people want to donate or support the channel, that is amazing but not required.
Great video Jeff! With me just getting back into the hobby after many years this is what I need. I haven’t flown much at all yet, I have just been building them because that’s what I enjoy doing. But I would like to fly, I’m just scared to crash them right now. Thank you for the beginner/learning videos. They are a great help to me!
Great video for beginners, patience is key. Thanks from all the beginners.
Thank you! I’m glad the video is helpful!
Thank you very much. Can you Makel more Videos for beginners like this? I and other beginners want more Videos, with second camera on a Radio control, like today. Thank you for Your content.
I’m glad the video was helpful! Yes, I can definitely do that. I have done a few beginner-based videos already, but I definitely have more planned.
@@westhobbiesrc8051I agree. Sometimes I would do a acrobatic manoever but I dont „feel“ the stick movement what I really should do. Because I dont want to waste money,crashing my heli. Maybe you can make some chapters. Beginner, advanced or critical situation movement videos. That would be cool. Subscription is hit
Thanks for this reminder. I'm guilty of doing this. Loops are sooooo fun!!! I love this hobby because to get good you must have extreme discipline and diligence and this is what you're explaining. Thanks
I was the same way! Once I could hover and fly around, I went right into learning 3-D. But I never learned the fundamentals to build off of so after crashing all the time because the helicopter would get into an orientation that I was not comfortable with, and I couldn’t save it Because We didn’t have Rescue was your fingers lol so I went back to basically starting over learning the fundamentals and progressing and I became a way better pilot a lot quicker. This is the only hobby in the world that no matter how much money you have or how poor you are you can’t buy experience skills.
Absolutely! Great advice. This works for any RC shortcut the basics and you need to fine the shortcuts to the hobby shop for parts! I think we all are guilty of wanting to progress to fast at times.
Great advice Jeff! We (novices) hate to hear it over and over, but after crashing my second heli hard enough to write it off, I decided to hit the Sim hard this winter and only fly fundamentals. It’s paying off already. I now find that controlled inverted “basic” flying is more rewarding than the choppy 3d I was attempting last summer. I’m really looking forward to trying it out for real in the spring!
I love basic flying and it is very nice to do it every day!! 😎👍😎
@@max7777ify it can be very relaxing!
Very good video! Very important stuff. my message...learn F3c first. The stuff you learn in F3c will make leaning 3d much easier...and safer.
Ok, I’m guilty of doing this on the simulator! Not with the real birds. But you are right, I’m practicing bad habits. Great video Jeff!
So it will teach bad habits because you’re not building that muscle memory. So with the simulator, I always act like they are my actual helicopters and I don’t act like I can just press reset. Believe it or not that actually teaches your brain to fly them more like real life and not crash as much
There's so many groups on Facebook, Reddit, & a few others that need to see this video. Hopefully I'm allowed to share this in the groups because alot of ppl needs to have this embedded in their brain. 👍 Thanks for this Jeff!
You're absolutely right...but it is so tempting 😅😅
It really is! But fight the temptation and practice the boring stuff
Excellent advice, Jeff. I do this all the time. Do some hovering then try some flips. It takes some self-control. Thanks for making the video.
You are doing it exactly correct! Practice your hovering do some figure. Some basic forward flight do a couple flips here and there.
And even when you are flying more advanced, it’s very beneficial to practice your basics once in a while too.
Exactly! It is always always good to go back to the basics every once in a while and just practice as much as you possibly can!
Great Advice. Absolutely true though.
Solid advice. Consistency is key. I just started flying and it’s a huge rush to perform even these simple maneuvers without crashing. I’m hoping to learn inverted flying soon.
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful, it is a ton of practice and consistency and like I said it is extremely boring to just fly around when you want to learn 3-D, but you have to do it and then progress into inverted flight. I’ll be making a video very soon on inverted flight!
Another thing Jeff: A lot of beginners don’t use idle ups so they tend to bob up and down real bad. Just got all mine set up correctly and it’s SO MUCH BETTER. Great video as always Jeff! PEACE!
When I learned how to fly, we didn’t have idle up lol we just had a linear throttle curve so that is how I learned. I personally think a flat throttle curve is a really good way to keep a consistent head speed. But a lot of people seem to slam postive and negative, so I always recommend when you are beginning and learning to take almost all negative out until you get used to it.
Great information thank u,love the gunshots in the background towards end of video lol..
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful! Yes, I fly off a military base so they’re shooting range is back behind the airfield
Good advice. The great thing is that when you constantly repeat the boring stuff until you feel completely in control you'll also find it much easier to learn more difficult manouvers later.
Just do your hover orientations, then slow piro hovers, into forward, backward and sideways circles/figure 8s, then the same thing upside down until it takes no mental effort at all. Eventually you'll progress faster, with more confidence and less crashing, so you'll have more fun but it's a long term investment.
If you can not control the helicopter exactly where you want it in every orientation and flying direction then it makes no sense to learn a manouver that makes use of them.
Exactly! Control and consistency is key. You see so many pilots that can smack a helicopter around and they’re really good at 3-D but they have no control. I called them stick bangers where everything looks sloppy helicopters all over the place personally I am big on control and precision, which to me makes the flight look so much better
Great vid Jeff, there are no shortcuts to learning rc heli-flying.
Thank you I hope the video is helpful. There is definitely no shortcuts.
Really appreciate the beginner help! Youre an inspiration to me lol
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful and all the videos going forward or helpful to you! I’m glad I can be an inspiration!
crash a thousand times on the sim- save your models
I can't wait to maiden my Orion!
You will love the Orion! Great flying helicopter.
What's interesting is I can do most of that except fly backwards for a big distance...but I don't find it boring doing any of that, I really enjoy just flying the basics.
I really enjoyed this video. I'm just getting back into the hobby after many years away. I could do basic circuits but not inverted. My goal is to be able to do exactly what you just demonstrated. I always loved slow smooth flying. My favorite pilot was Mark Fadley, he could do it all but was mainly a big air pilot. I have a struggle point of setting up a FBL electric helicopter. All my experience was with nitro flybarred helis. I lived near Greensboro, NC for a while when I was young, what city or town are you located? Thanks for all you do for the hobby.
I hope this video is helpful for you! Welcome back to the helicopter side of the hobby. It is a great hobby as you know a lot has changed over the years before the better. I personally really enjoyed the smooth 3-D flying over the hard-core snack. I am in middle Tennessee. Not too far from Greensboro.
Great video jeff!! 👍🏻
Thank you buddy! I appreciate it!
Thanks!! Jeff, just what I needed!!!appreciate your time and effort, thanks for the video,
You’re welcome! I hope the video is helpful and you can learn from it.
Solid advice Jeff. One thing I've learned is sim time is critical. It's the boring stuff that'll save your heli when you goof up. There are no short cuts or cheat codes for RC heli flying.
It's quite a funny learning curve, it just hits you and comes together...especially the 4 point hover. and Inverted 4 point hover.
Definitely one of the more challenging hobbies but it's by far the best.
Huge thanks for the stick cam too!!
How much sim time did you put in before it clicked for you , I feel like I’m not making any progress with my sim practice.
Thank you! I hope the video is helpful! I agree with that, one day it just clicks. I was having the hardest time just learning backwards circuits for example and I kept practicing and practicing and I said it down for about a week got back on the simulator and it was just a naturally. Everyone progresses at their own rate.
Everyone progresses at their own rate. It can take anywhere from 100 hours to 1000 hours. Personally, what I am practicing a new maneuver I limit my time to 15 minutes a day too much practice is not good. Some days I will get so frustrated and I’ll come back the next day and it just hit me and I can do the maneuver no problem.
Sleep is critical for building muscle memory. Practice can definitely get frustrating at times when mental load is high. But even if you are seemingly not making progress, just getting some rest and getting back to it the next day at some point it'll suddenly just work. That's how the process works and there are strong diminishing returns on longer sim sessions. Consistency is far more important than grinding for hours at a time.
Absolutely fantastic video and great advice. This video will surely help many new people in the hobby. I myself will take on board some things you mentioned in your video. All the best Jeff, safe flights. 👍🏻
Thank you! I hope the video was helpful and I hope it helps a lot of new people learning or getting frustrated with their flying. I hope it helps you as well.
BK and Bobby Watts gave similar advice in the Smack Talk series. Learn all orientations first!
Another Incredible Video, Jeff!! I hope that You and Your Entire Family are All doing well and staying Safe My friend!! Hello to everyone and take care of yourself!!!!!
Thank you, Larry! I greatly appreciate it, I hope you and your family are doing well and everything is going great for you!
Nice to see fellow hybrid pinch flyer. I don't know how thumb flyer can be as precise especially the pros. Wish I had a big flying field like you are at in this video.
I cannot fly with thumbs. I don’t know how people do it. I have tried and it is super sloppy. It is much faster, but that’s why I fly pinch hybrid. It is a beautiful flying field, especially on days like the day. I recorded this video where I was the only one out there almost all day
hit the nail on the head, if you want to fly 3d it requires alot of discipline and there really arent any shortcuts. you gotta develop the muscle memory and do it safety. coming back into the hobby i have alot more patience this time around to spend the time doing the boring circuits and all the orientation training. it pays off.
You are exactly right! It takes a ton of practice, discipline, work! You need to practice practice practice and if you are trying to learn a specific maneuver, even if it’s just a figure that’s all you need to do for days on end.
I practice doing circles in both directions. Always good to be symmetrical.
Very good! I am a firm, believer and learning every maneuver or direction both ways!
Absolutely agree with your logic and instruction. In fact your videos have greatly helped me from time to time, thank you. I think the word “boring” should be replaced with “routine” instead. While I’m not the most aggressive 3D heli pilot or 3D fixed wing pilot, routine flying can be enjoyable and even challenging at times. Example I was flying one of my Nano S3’s last night in normal mode & was amazed at the simplicity vs any other platform I own & how much fun it was simply doing really tight figure 8s in & out of the garden and trees. Your video does stand correct in the principle as new pilots do need to master “routine & boring” to the point it becomes second nature & the muscle memory instinctive prior to stunts and tricks. That said my Nano certainly isn’t able to increase my heart rate, anymore like my higher end helicopters do. But then again I don’t always need to be on the potential verge of cardiac arrest while flying these days. Routine flying suits me just fine as I get older.
I always do circles, figure 8’s, loops, rolls, also inverted, and now trying cork screws. I try all my maneuvers based on the basics.
That is a great way to do it! You will progress and learn so much faster, working off of the fundamentals and the basics.
Exactly correct 👍
Thank you!
100% on this training approach. These basics are what 3d is based off of.
Exactly! Every 3-D maneuver is based off of your basic orientation flight training and learning.
Great advice however I started out like you said you did but I got a really light and small HK 110s heli and learned on that and the sim. The little heli kept things pretty safe and it was almost indestructible as I had crashed it a hand full of times. I then got a RS4 venom and built it to your exact specs and then realized how much easier the bigger heli was to fly although a bit scarier so it demanded a little more respect. I flew the venom for a couple of months and purchased a used steam 700 V2 Pro and was amazed at how much easier this bigger heli was to fly and much more respect was given to the dangers of flying a heli this size wow. Ive been flying for a couple years now and your right if you learn to do tricks before learning all the basics then you will have a hard to progressing as I have now. My struggle currently is flying backwards in circles which seems like it would be easy since I can flip, roll, stall turn, hover upside down in all directions, I can do half piros and sometime full piros. The struggle is real. Lol
Is this what you do on the simulator?
You can definitely do this on the simulator! I personally don’t, but it is good to when you are learning
The typical mistakes many beginners do is,trying to fly like a pro! I believe that is the root cause of their tendencies to neglect the basics and go straight into flips,tic tocs and piro flips (tic tocs is one that they all try to do in the beginning).The pro's somewhat create the illusion that what they do is easy and "I can do that" attitude grows from there for the beginner.Some may have an ego issue to the point where they try (and i do mean try) to emulate what the pro's do to no avail and than it becomes a money pit,therefore they get discouraged and never to be seen from ever again! In some cases there are people with more money than brains and continue their failed attempts. If only they can understand that the "Pro's" also started with the basic flights, maybe than they'll come to their senses and actually work on basic flights.But from my witnessing throughout the 21 years of flying they all want to get on that "Express lane" and get there in the minimal amount of time it took many pro's to get there.But what really chaps my hide is when someone asks me how to do certain 3D maneuvers and I suggest starting at the beginning of basic flights and orientations,they than disregard the friendly suggestion and continue to emulate Tareq! I need not explain here what their final results were,after futile attempts to fly like a "Pro". Anyway,thank you Jeff for the hopefully eye opening video towards the beginners in hopes they will succumb to the realization of this hobby...Regards!🙂👍
I agree! That’s the main reason I make videos like this. Because I am in no way a pro pilot. But there is people that watch my channel that want to fly the way I fly, but can’t hover. And not everybody wants to go out and become a hard-core smack 3-D pilot but you still need to learn these fundamentals and the basic orientations no matter how you want to fly or the style you want to do. Jumping into Tic toc, elevator or Aileron flips is Just asking For disaster if you have no idea how to do the fundamental flight. And like you said, it pushes people out of the hobby because crashing is extremely expensive and they never come back. And not only any of that but safety! These machines are extremely dangerous.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Absolutely Jeff! Thanks to all you have contributed into this challenging and fascinating hobby!🙂👍
Too late. Well not too late but I did that very thing. I can do flips, rolls, inverted nose in, tick tocks, I can even do a funnel, but still don’t really fly normal towards myself. I’m now going back to basics and that’s hard.
What a great boost to my moral! I've taken my S1 upside down a few times, but I just dont want to do it to anything else.
Too many egos in this hobby I've seen; flaunting high skill; but then bashing noobs with #getgud or 'he just likes his stickers.
I want to blow a gasket when I get: 'I'm more focused on improving my flying than building' snide comments to belittle me for being a perfectionist about my building experience.
PS.
Wife really enjoyed this video, her exact comment was your flying demonstration was exactly how she wants to be able wrap up this summer.
We got her hovering her S1 pretty reasonable, I think she is ready to start with the S2 when the weather improves.
Like I said, the other day she was also bringing up an AK420; its a perfect entry size to grow with that wont be harsh on the wallet when it crashes :)
The Venom is just too nice and I have RTU's on it. So its not really viable for her skill and I am just at a level of comfortable doing basic circuits myself.
It is very boring to sit there and hover around or do a circle left or right you can only do it so much before you just want to try something new even though you’re not ready to try something new. So take your time learn the fundamentals and before you know it, you’ll be flying inverted upright, etc. that’s awesome! I’m glad she enjoyed the video. The AK 420 is a great little cheap beater helicopter that she can learn on and they are extremely cheap to crash.
I wish I had that advice a year ago when I was stuck.
You should’ve asked me a year ago lol just kidding hopefully it’s helpful now
@@westhobbiesrc8051that was when I was stuck, I’m practicing backwards but I already move it around and do the maneuvers so I’m not stopping those just adding more orientation practice
Thank you for the video. I’ve been flying for about a month with my xk110 and I’m at the exact point you mentioned. I can reasonably hover so now I want to try inverted. Still honing my skills and just picked up an S2 to handle the wind better.
This may be a stupid question but do heli’s 400+ in size have stability modes?
Aside from the sim, what has been your go to heli size and type for doing this basic learning? I have a Trex 500 with an old VBar that mostly works for me. Is there something more up-to-date?
So believe it or not I really don’t use the simulator too much anymore. I just find it easier and better for me to do it in real life just up higher. But the 550/600 size helicopter is my favorite. The new Vbar system is awesome! Flight performance is unreal.
Hi I am flying with gyro mode on for hovering , nose in and out, should I fly start using acro mode with with hovering, nose in and out
Yes! You need to learn micro corrections. Meaning in a self level mode, you’re not teaching your brain. The micro corrections needed to hold that helicopter perfectly level while you were hovering. That is the one downfall and thing I do not like about auto leveling.
@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks for your advise, will switch to acro mode start this week
Hi great advice Jeff i can do basic hover orientations and lazy eights but, I can not get my head around backwards flight
can you offer any advice or a video with some tips
I’ll make a separate video about flying backwards. It is definitely very tricky upright converted. It takes a ton of practice and just teaching yourself. What taught me was a cheap little fixed pitch helicopter that I could crash over and over again and just learn backwards flying
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Hi not a bad idea my OMP m2 just seems really hard to control.
thank you for taking the time to reply.
i miss these kind of videos, so much drone videos out there, i thought rc helicopters was gone, I train someone to fly rc helicopters, i was telling them to bring it up to eye level and fly around close, this was on a fixed pitch heli, and dont try to go to high, to much wind to high or far away, but he got someone else to train him, cause he said i was training him wrong, What you think?
Thanks! Still learning, broke my trex450 lots of times already. May biggest problem was not sensing/seeing the movement of the model to me and from me on a flat screen in the SIM. Left/right and up/ down on the screen is easy to see. But closer/farther is not. So, I didn't find practicing in the sim useful for this particular axis of viewing the model. It was not very interesting. So I tried loops and stall turns, and some invert flight on high altitude in the sim, and then in real life. And crashed ))) Now, I decided to buy 2nd hand VR goggles to practice in the sim, instead of buying spare parts. Its a huge level -up in sim practicing, the sense of model movement is excellent, like in real life. It's totally worth buying, will save more money in the end, than learning on the real model. Also, I didn't have a bailout feature, and after your videos I am now looking for Ikon2 or spirit fbl unit, with this feature. Thanks a lot for your content!
Try adding opposite colors to your canopy so even if its a blur you can instantly tell which orientation you are in.
Blades that have color on one side but not the other are really helpful too.
Happy landings!
Did it with canopy, but not yet with the blades. Good advice! Thanks!
Believe it or not I’ve never been a huge simulator person! I’ve always learned better in real life than on a computer. But the virtual reality siming is awesome! I got the play with that a while ago and definitely like it more.
I didn't see you do inverted tail first and inverted nose first circuits....
Don't do tic tocs yet
@@Dan-s5p4u that’s not what this video is about. So yes I didn’t do them.
I have bought a fair number of 700 size machines from people who thought because they could afford it could start out with a 700 then as soon as those blades start turning, self preservation kicks in and they immediately shut it down and sell it.Admittedly they are more stable and easier to fly but are extremely dangerous in the hands of a beginner and usually incorrectly assembled.
Everyone progresses at their own rate and don’t be self conscious about asking for help. We all started at the same place. Over all the majority of people in this hobby are ready and willing to help in person or on the forums.
Once in a while you come across the occasional arrogant know it all but that is rare. Right now I am trying to assist someone I met on one of the forums but he is in a foreign country with 6 hour time difference and the only person he has been able to find locally to help him is charging him a lot of money to help with builds and setup but won’t actually show him how it’s done because he just wants to keep the money flowing.
I have directed him to some of your videos which is very helpful for him when I can’t properly explain something without a video reference.
So thanks for the assist, I will have him send you a check😁🚁🚁🚁
It’s always sad when people jump into a 700 size machine as their first helicopter and have never flown before. It definitely intimidates and discourages people from the hockey. I am a believer and fly the biggest you can afford to crash. You may be able to afford a 700 size machine, but if you can’t fix it when they go in then there is no point. I think a 500 size is the helicopter to learn on. The best thing about FBL systems today you can tune and make them fly from small to big identical. There is a lot of people in this hobby that gatekeeping only do it for money. That is the reason I started. This channel is free informational videos to help everybody out. If people want to donate or support the channel, that is amazing but not required.
Jeff,
Thank you for your time. Do you recommend using the Ikon2 governor on all 3 setups or just 2 & 3?