Star Trek vs. Star Wars Pt. 2 - "United We Stand"
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I think I'll take this oppotunity to say thank you to everyone who's left me feedback on Part I. And thank you for not starting a canon/flame war. And here's the reward...Part II
Again, just like the first one, this is not a definative battle, nor is this intended to start a flame war of canon for both universes. This is just a fun little animation I put together and decided to share with everyone. As long as this doesn't spark a flame war, I'll be making the remaining parts.
This is more action oriented then the first, which was more of a build up to this. Enjoy, and please feel free to comment!
The empire ships should have shown more damage at the end , a few fires, some smoke , Something. Other than that well done.
Well, well, well.... RUclips recommendations algorithm sure do work wonders... My main comment is on Part 1 btw. Most of the comments here are from 13, 9 and 7 years ago for some reason not 6, and the latest one was from 2 months ago. People might have come here and not leave a comment so I'm not so sure if there's still people who watches this video at my year.
I'm surprised there isn't a lot more of these type of vids on RUclips now with computing technology making it possible for "anyone" to put this together. Overall, this is well done.
I like that the video creator deliberately shows the Excelsior class heavy cruiser leaving the starbase and warping out while the Sovereign joins the fight. Excelsiors are very crew-heavy and would need a lot of smaller craft support (escorts like Defiants, Sabers and Runabouts) to engage in a situation like this. Wise decision to have it warp out.
Or as the Borg would say it:
"Strength is irrelevant"
I always thought Star Trek weapons would be more effective than Star Wars ones.
Great effort overall!
nope not by a VERY long shot
Beside TNG is crap
I like how you actually put a Federation space station, of that particular type, in danger and then destroyed it. The only time we've ever seen one in danger was in ST:IV and even then it never really came under attack, it just had its power systems futzd with.
Klingon Commander Worf: "Perhaps today is a good day to die! Prepare for ramming speed!"
No I mentioned "Borg technical manual." There is no data on Borg technology. The Borg can't be defeated by Federation phasers only; it always took some deus ex machina to defeat them.
Anyone who cannot see how much work you obviously put into this must be "as blind as a tiberian bat". Excelent work. Can't wait to see what happens when the Death Star comes into the picture.
poor quality at best,screens are way to dark,and I seriously doubt turbo lasers mounted on a tie could penetrate a ships tritanium hull in one volley
i like ST & SW but im afraid that im going to have to go in favour of the empire. A combination of speed, firepower and numbers would overwelm the federation in days. even slave 1 would be more than a match for the enterprise D!
The federation has allies called the Klingons and possibly the Romulans and maybe the cardassians?
Say wuht? The Empire may have the advantage in speed from one star system to another, but the recharge time on hyperdrives wouldn't allow them to effectively use them in combat. On the other hand, Federation ships can engage in battle at warp speed.
But firepower? Seriously? The Romulans and Cardasians joined forces with about 20 ships, and were going to destroy the entire crust of a roughly Earth sized planet in about an hour, and destroy the whole mantle in about 5 hours. The Romulans, if you go by movies, can collapse an entire planets in a few seconds by use of a quantum singularity. Only the Death Star (or similar super rare vessels) can match or exceed that. Turbo Lasers, on the other hand, would be a total joke to Federation shields.
There's another thing that really gets overlooked in most of these Federation versus X Battles, and that's the Federation can scan for shield frequencies. Most fictional space fleets with shields cannot change shield frequencies, so Federation phasers and photon torpedoes will pierce those shields like a red hot knife through butter. They sort of alluded to this when phaser fire destroyed a Star Destroyer's shield generators.
Then there's the underrated Photon Torpedo. It's more powerful than any Hydrogen Bomb ever created by 20th Century humans. It can wipe out a very large mountain with just one. That's just the Enterprise 1701 torps. Later Enterprises had even more destructive torpedoes.
In Star Trek: TOS, the Enterprise goes to a high security asylum planet with it's own planetary shield. Yet it's determined that even with the shield, the Enterprise would destroy the entire planet. Doctor McCoy sums it up when he gripes, "How can we be powerful enough to destroy an entire planet, and yet still be so helpless?" They had to go to the far side of the planet to pierce the shield at a weak point, and they still weren't sure they weren't gonna blow up the whole planet in the process.
@@neorenamon Gosh, a reply 11 years in the making. My punctuation looks absolutely terrible.
Don't get me wrong, I think (Pre-Millenium) Star Trek is better to watch than Star Wars, but the power outputs of Star Wars vessels are simply many orders of magnitude greater than anything the Federation can field.
If you have the time, this ancient decrepit website lays it all out:
www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/
@Perion Again I put forward the fact that the Empire was basicly brought down by less powerful forcess who had much less training and weren't as organized as the Federation. They would get hammered (like this) at first, but they would rally and fend off the Empire in the long run. All they would do is beam some tribles onto there ships, and they would lose to the cute and fuzzy again :D
now the executor shields resisted to an impact with 3 ISD in hiperspace
then SW shields and weapons are not frequency based like ST ones
I wish people would stop arguing about which is better or who would actually win. Suspend your disbelief and enjoy the show here and the potentially awesome story behind it. The Empire travels through a wormhole that takes them through time and/or space to a far off galaxy where the Federation is...and completely blindsides them in a surprise attack. See how fast those Starships were launched from the starbase? I would not be surprised if they were manned by skeleton crews, thrown together at the last second to defend the station. In contrast, they're dealing with fully manned and armed Star Destroyers equipped with A LOT of fighter craft. Ignore the science and assume equal footing in weaponry (just used in a different medium). The Federation was caught off guard and now the Empire has a foothold. But now they have a chance to regroup and launch a counter-attack...Little do they know that the Empire is also calling in reinforcements to subjugate this new galaxy; Human, Romulan, Klingon...United they must stand against this new threat from a galaxy far far away. :)
The Executor couldn't defend itself from a few miniscule Rebel fighters. All it took to destroy it was an out-of-control Rebel A-wing when the shields were down.
The Physics of Star Trek is a 1995 nonfiction book by Case Western Reserve University professor Lawrence M. Krauss. It discusses the physics involved in various concepts and objects described in the Star Trek universe. He investigates the possibility of such things as inertial dampers and warp drive, and whether physics as we know it would allow such inventions. He also discusses time travel, light speed, pure energy beings, wormholes, and other concepts.
Range is not an issue actually. A Borg ship was seen striking Earth from orbit in First Contact.
Well, I sure hope everyone arguing in the comments section is proud of themselves. He did say he wouldn't continue the series if it started a flamewar, an lo and behold here we are five years later and still no part 3. All because of you people. Thanks a lot, internet, you really do us proud.
Canon and non-canon sources aside for a moment. Certain technology in Star Wars and Star Trek is actually possible. For example. Shield technology - Plasma shield technology is being developed as we speak (look it up). Warp Drive - Has already been declared a serious possibility (and here comes the science). All matter warps space to a certain extent, depending on its mass. This same principal is used in Star Trek to contract space in front of the ship, while expanding it behind.
Also, we were talking about WEAPON ranges, not analyzing.
To the point that Trek ships have to fight up close and personal. While the Ion cannon can just demolish them from far away.
Wow, that was terrific! I saw the first one, too. I like the fact that you sped up the Star Destroyer's rate of fire from the last one. Very good work.
Leland Chee is Lucasarts' handler of canon. He's the one Lucas hired to deal with canon issues. His response to the Tech manuals?
"The Cross Sections stats in regards to firepower are considered canon."
Leland Chee, October 2011.
Whoever made this video is definitely a star wars fan
wow man! you're talented! I realize this stuff isn't easy,i've pretty much given up on the whole 3D modelling/animating haha. All of the effects just seem to work..and the sound matches nicely.I think you should definitely keep this up! :D
You are correct, it would. In the Star Wars universe, almost all vessels seem to use some form of laser weaponry. This is merely the projection highly focused light. In the Star Trek universe, weapons such as Photon or Quantum torpedoes are widely used. By comparison, technology displayed in Star Wars appears quite primitive and obsolete. If you place two ships in a battle, one with Star Wars laser technology, one with Star Trek anti-matter torpedo technology, which do you expect will win?
An easy way to sort this out, is watch an episode of Star Trek. Analyze each piece of technology and each term used, then look it up. You will find that almost every term brought up, and every purpose they say it is used for will be perfectly valid. You will practically never look at an aspect of a Star Trek (post TOS) episode and truthfully say to yourself "That can never happen". Can the same be said about Star Wars?
"1 turbolaser shot does more than what it takes to destroy a Cube. And they have 6+ turbolasers firing all the time."
After the first 2-3 cubes have been destroyed, the cubes' shields will be either immune or much more resistant.
oh yeah, and continue making more parts, this is great!
I just hope all the Starfleet Personnel got off that Starbase before it was destroyed
The shields used in Star War on their ships and facilities are primarily designed to stop energy based weapons. That is why fighters were so effective against them during battles. Energy shields and particle shields usually depended on planet based energy sources and projectors.
The shields used in Star Trek on their ships and facilities are designed to stop both energy based weapons and solid objects. A facility the size of a space dock could easily provide enough protection from the impact of a star destroyer to prevent any catastrophic damage.
Star Wars proton torpedoes are designed to release a sudden surge of protons into the object it hits causing damage to the hull and electrical systems inside.
Star Trek photon torpedoes are designed to use a matter/anti-matter reaction to create and explosion up to the equivalent of a high yield atomic bomb.
Star Wars shields were primarily designed to stop energy based weapons, not projectiles. Which means, just like proton torpedoes, a photon torpedo would fly through the ship's shield and release the concussive and heat force of an atomic bomb directly against a Star Wars ship.
Plus Star Trek sensors would easily be able to see that that hemisphere on the bottom of the Star Wars ship is the ejection cover for its main power source. How many photon torpedoes would have to hit there to destroy the Star Wars ship's ability to fight and protect itself?
And as the battle over Endor proved, taking the bridge out seriously compromises the Star Wars ship's ability to maneuver. If an A-wing can take those out what do you think an atomic forced explosion would do?
Looking at the bigger picture, which series do you believe to be more scientifically accurate? Not a difficult decision in my opinion. And it is your answer to this question, which determines if Star Trek should really ever compete with Star Wars.
Then look for it on Ebay or Amazon. It's called "Attack of the Clones: Incredible Cross Sections".
In Star Wars lore, only large vessels have a cloaking device. "They can't have disappeared! No ship that small has a cloaking device!" ---Captain Needa. A Bird-of-Prey is about the size of the Millenium Falcon. And the Federation can detect cloaked vessels with a Tachion Field.
Innovation that allowed them to hopscotch from one ass end of a 120,000 lightyear galaxy to another in an hour. THAT is innovation.
Also, it's so easy to realize: Ion cannon has longer range than Borg ships do. Ion cannons disable Borg ships before said ships can even analyze what hit them. They can't analyze = they can't adapt = they're totally screwed, and the Rebels or the Empire can take their tech and use it for themselves.
even though I don't know how to make animation, and you can make it this cool, than I am really looking forward to the third Episode.
I stand corrected on the scale of the ship but it matters little since my explanation still stands.
You see, the original claim was that the dominion and Borg had ships comparable in SIZE and power to the empire, which is the only reason I brought scale into it at all.
"despite being defeated like crazy."
"Even though many federation ships took down a Borg Cube even when it was shot with the same phaser?"
39 ships were destroyed in the wolf-359 battle, but the Cube wasn't even scratched. And let's not mention the thousands of species the borg has assimilated.
And Have you noticed that every time the borg is defeated it involves the good guys beaming into the cube?
And If I remember correctly, the empire doesn't have transporter technology.
For someone who is obviously not versed in physics, lasers have an upper limit for power based on materials available. A phased energy beam, on the other hand, could be honed and focused over time to a much greater intensity. Take the example of the "disruptor" concept (which first appeared in Trek, and was later blatantly ripped off for Star Wars EU material). A disruptor-style weapon breaks apart the basic bonds of matter at the subatomic level. I remind you a saber cannot defend against it.
Clamshell design of phones is generally agreed to have been inspired by the Star Trek original series communicator. A key difference, however, is that the grid that opens on the TOS communicator is solely an antenna, according to The Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual, while the upper part of the clamshell phone contains much of the functionality of the phone itself.
Star Trek vs. Star Wars? Ships to Ships? No contest. Star Wars hands down! Star Trek are too fragile compared to the ships from Star Wars. Ships like the Executor and the Eclipse make just about any Star Trek ship seem tiny and weak. Then there's The Death Star. With Star Wars' proliferation of thousands upon thousands of fighter craft as well, it would be a slaughter. Star Trek has some great designs, but the sheer number and size of Star Wars' shps would win the day! May The Force Be With You!
@Perion With the exception of the Epirial troop who swiched (like Solo) for whatever reason, there is no way Rebels were as well trained as Star Fleet.
Hopefully the doors to the Spacedock are well defended.
It DOES matter, because A) the man was an actual PHD. (Curtis Saxton, PHD in astrophysics) and B) Lucasarts HIRED him to write those stats and approved of them. To the point that they defend its canonicity up to this day.
Trek suffers from the same hijinks. Photon torpedoes are supposedly 30X stronger than nukes, but they only explode for a couple hundred meters when the enemy ship detonates. They should explode for miles, the explosion being the size of a SUPER STAR DESTROYER.
They don't.
"The Borg have not been shown to adapt to projectile weapons."
The Borg have been shown to adapt to Photon torpedoes.
""Data kills the queen by smashing a plasma coolant container which dissolves the queen's organic components, killing her"
The crew of the enterprise was faced with
~50 drones
If the ent. had been faced with 1 cube, it would have been captured.
And don't use Picard's experience against me. The Empire doesn't have any transporters.
Your warp and weapons effects were amazing!
If the Star Wars ships did win, it would not be because of superior fire-power. Rather, because the weapons in Star Wars are pure fantasy, having no scientific basis or explanation what-so-ever, and therefore can be as powerful as anyone wishes them to be. In my opinion, this thoroughly disqualifies Star Wars, as there can be no limits to a fantasy series.
Well, if ST weapons are as weak and SW weapons are as strong as I mentioned, I think it's pretty fair. 40 ships couldn't stop a Borg cube without's Picard's experience in ST: First Contact, and an ISD I think is on par with a Borg cube. Besides, if SW shields are geared towards gigaton weapons and ST only has megaton weapons, I think I could add 10 more ships and still keep it pretty fair.
This is very good, how long does it take you to create a 5 min peace like this? and is the programme expensive?
Except Lucas already wrote in the Star Wars universe as a universe where the technology has been upgrading for a thousand generations. Ships have temporal shields to prevent hyperspace accidents, have shields that can bump off asteroids like the way the Falcon did, and Turbolasers hit with a 50 meter explosion that has the thermal energy to pierce enemy shields and armor with the force of a 200 gigaton bomb constricted to a 50 meter explosion.
A couple of nitpicks:
*The SSD should be firing lots and lots of little turbolaser bolts at the starbase -- not two big disruptor-like beams.
*The turbolasers sound ... weird. You could nab a much better sound effect from ANH, when the turbolaser towers are shooting at the Rebel fighters.
*It'd be nice if the Imperial ships shot more. Half the time they just seem to be sitting there and/or only firing a couple of shots at a time.
Other than those things, SERIOUSLY FANTASTIC WORK!
Sorry for my brain fart, I was thinking lasers were particle weapons because they emit particles, I forgot that the key component in differentiating a laser from a particle beam is that a particle beam weapons particles have mass. Where are lasers particles (photons) have no mass, so technicaly you are correct they are two different things though they are both directed energy weapons. But its still besides the point since they dont fire lasers in SW.
lol I like how people are actually comparing this....
Anyhow, this is what I think: No matter how powerful the lazers are from the Empire, they're still LAZERS. Light. Deflector shields part light, even if it's coherent. So, this is what I'd consider a suitable conversation about a federeation ship: "Captain, they're firing LAZERS at us. And they don't even have main shelds!" "How quaint. Beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
"Seeing as a turbolaser has more power than 1 thousand fed ships...borgs be screwed."
Seeing as the borg has millions of cubes, it could send a few dozen of em to disable an ISD's shield and assimilate it...
Empire's screwed.
It doesn't matter what the technology level is, ion thrusters operate by accelerating a small amount of fuel to very high speeds. This makes it efficient over long distances but not very fast and so it is unsuitable for combat craft.
The "impulse engine" of trek is a kind of nuclear fusion rocket. Those were being designed back in the 1950's and nuclear propulsion tech was being tested up until the mid 70's with promising results.
Darth you said this (6 days ago), and I quote:
"Yes, and aren't ships technically floating cities? Like an ISD, SSD, Rebel ship, combat ship consisting of a crowd of people. Cloud City would almost be a floating city, but that tall beam and all."
wow, this one was good, again a little dark, but you did a real good job on the renderings
"no one in the empire would be dumb enough to kill themselves, clone themselves, then rebirth themselves"
Let me tell you a little secret...
The human body "rebirths" itself every few years.
Do you think you still have all of your original molecules since you were born?
"A Tzar was an H bomb that not only takes up tons of space in a ship, but is slower than many turbolasers"
so let's fit it with an impulse engine.
It does mean something. it means that LUCASARTS CONSIDERS THE ICS CANON.
And as for Trek torpedoes and SW turbolasers: That's because BOTH series use the "focal point" theory of explosions. They only explode for 50-300 meters, but with the force of a 64 megaton (Trek) or 200 gigaton (Wars) bomb. Because both civilizations came across enemies that use nukes and have defenses that can withstand nukes, so they had to make weapons that can pierce such defenses without wasting the countryside.
Again with the chronology. The moment an order is given in combat, especially as ferocious and desperate as ENDOR was, it takes time to facilitate it. In this case, it took one second from the order given to the assault by two lucky pilots and an unlucky pilot.
I never once said that the fleet ignored the order. They just couldn't obey it in time or as quickly as 2 nearby fighters.
Bespin is a floating city. A space station could be called a city, theoretically. DS9 is more or less a city where people military and civilian engage in commerce. But it is a military outpost manned and governed by Star Fleet officers and enlisted personnel.
The Eclipse is pretty huge. I don't know much about The enterprise E but the Eclipse has a super laser on it so... Kind of unfair.
Kirk had that communicator that's true but it functioned like a walkie talkie not like a modern cellphone.
Thanks for the nod. :-)
Functioning like a walkie-talkie, also proves my point. Openning your phone and speaking into it! Almost, if not exactly, similar to another cell phone which functions along that concept!
That was pretty slick. In my opinion, I think a little more light would make it better, not to take away from the "feel" of the video, but making it more visible would help.
Katie, the battle of endor was fought over a prolonged period of time before Ackbar gave that order. The executors shields cant be brought down with anything less then a prolonged bombardment with heavy fire and their were plenty of ships around to attack it. That is not only canon, but the only reasonable point of view.
Apparently the Starbase gunners were asleep...heh.
And it's no ordinary starbase, either...it's a fleet flag dock, where the admiralty have their headquarters. IIRC, it's firepower is about the equivalent of 100 galaxy class starships, with weapons that have twice the effective range, which is why you never see anyone attack one.
If you haven't read the description to the end:
captainshuttle won't make the remaining Parts if you do ST vs. SW debates (i.e. ST/SW rules).
So please stop it.
Thanks for your attention.
For your kind information, star destroyers are atmosphere capable spaceships which is why they are aerodynamic.
Just like the Death Star, an SSD, or any Star Destroyer, they all get blown up. There's big, and then there is so big it delves into the idea that the Emperor was compensating for something that isn't so big.
First, I'm pretty sure the fastest that a prop ever went was just over mach 1 and it was loud as hell. Traditional jets can only go mach 3.4. That's where the scramjet comes in. Those go between 12 and 24 but old rockets like the Apollo's could hit 30+.
Second, all that shows is that Lucas didn't know what he was talking about and it sounded cool to him. Remember he used parsec as a unit of time insead of distance when describing the Kessel Run. Fannon has tried to retcon this but...
To be honest, I think he knows the facts. He just doesn't want to acknowledge them. A perfect example of "How to build a Wall of Ignorance as thick as the popes armored car".
You see? You've just proven my point. You LOVE IT. You love the debate... The argument. You are one the GREATEST proponents of this discussion.
Thanks once again for proving me right!
That very point sounds awfully familiar to a point I originally made on the other blog. Thank you for using it. Prove to me that they are not bullet magnates.
This is so awesome! Finally, actual action between the two universes instead of splicing film! As a fan of both the ST and SW worlds (even though I'm a slightly partial to ST :)), I look forward to your next installment. I love how you brought back the Excelsior and Ambassador class starships. Well done!
Now this was actually interesting to see.
Probably fairly accurate even.
Finally some actual appreciation given to just how hard it can be to get the shields on a Victory II class to crack.
True though a full compliment of turbolasers probably would've minced most of what came at them....
Oh sorry, call it a typo. I meant 'Imperial' II class star destroyer my bad.
Though Victory classes aren't too far removed.
One Imperial Star Destroyer Was equipped with roughly 68 Tubrolaser batteries and 20 Ion Canon batteries. A Super Star Destroyer has more than 1000 Turbolaser Batteries. These ships are fortresses that far outclass Star Trek star bases.
Good work to the crew who worked on this short. Very cool!
The Death Star couldn't defend itself against a newbie X-Wing pilot with a damaged astrodroid. The second couldn't defend itself against the EWOKS, Lando, or Wedge. Honestly, the Death Star should be lit up with a neon sign that reads, "I'M READY TO BE BLOWN UP BY YOU!"
And if no Borg survivors remain from these battles, they'd be unable to analyze and adapt to a weapon that leaves no data for them to analyze since all Borg ships coming into contact with it got lost. At this rate, Jawa boarding parties can take control of Borg ships, considering they have ion rifles that disables Borg tech and drones before they can even adapt to anything.
What's funny here (and I haven't commented in a VERY long time, due to some idiot who thought he could out-wit me in terms of logic and canon), is that if one looks at the CANON settings for Trek shields and compares them to CANON readouts for even the Death Star laser, a Galaxy-class can tank its shots. Kind of a moot point, all of this, when you think about it, considering that the UFP has more advanced combat models than the Galaxy.
a fleet of trek ships firing quantum torpedoes would not do anything. The ISD's shields are far too strong
Fun stuff ! Keep evolving on the already well-crafted work ! One request : edit in Federation & Empire aboard-ship digital personnel cutaway shots especially of Starfleet Captains & Vader savagely gesturing battle orders. Body language will convey orders just fine without having to hear their voices. Good job !
Well fmcc. It is quite possible 2 or more chemicals can be seperated in a containment structure of the shell housing. when the primer is struck. it would cause the housings to rupture mixing the chemicals and allowing quick breakdown and release of the newfound energy. Similar to how gunpowder breaks down to oxidizing material creating an explosion. Now if you follow E=mc2. the quicker the reaction the more energy is released. No battery is necessary and the cartridge is easily recovered.
It was future tech, so understandable. Can't really make that presumption based on no data or evidence. You have no idea how the Borg would face up to an Ion cannon. Do you have a Borg technical manual? I don't think so. If anything is to go by, I would fancy a fleet of Borg cubes over the Federation, the Rebels and the Empire. Of course the outcome would still be up to a writer.
Furthermore the ships in Star Wars, unless they are very small have multiple shield generators all over it. When they said the BRIDGE shields are down thats all they meant. The bridge of course being the logical point to focus fire upon, its not surprising they would go down even with reinforced shields after a long bombardment, and with a backup bridge (which is also canon), the Executor would not have been destroyed is the Death stars gravity hadn't pulled it into its structure.
The official Star Wars canon policy says "everything is canon unless Lucas says otherwise or it contradicts the movies". And George Lucas *did* say the ICS books *are* canon, they are official publications, only the movies are at a higher value. Also, the asteroid destruction in TESB doesn't have to be 200 GT - the Heavy turbolasers are placed on *top* of the ISD - there is no way they could be used in that scene. And, yeah, ISDs *can* destroy entire planets. "Base Delta Zero".
1. Yes, from similarly designed ships. There's no doubt that SW has some weapons that are more powerful, but most take far too long to activate to hit a ship capable of anything higher than impulse. The pulse canons on a cruiser don't pack much of a punch.
2. Tie Fighters are certainly more maneuverable. But, 1 full spread volley of torpedoes would take out about a hundred of them. My comment about the cruisers stands. When you see one, on camera, doing barrel rolls, let me know.
one shot from a Star Destroyer is able to blast through the ships of the fedderation because of the energy output of there weapons are like 10x more than the shelds output of the federationships
A split second was all that was needed for some poor son-of-a-bitch to do a KAMIKAZE move on the bridge. So, the film is correct. Thanks for watching!
If you're going to go after phasers do it on a valid and sound reason. Phasers are supposed to use a fictional particle called a nadion. The problem with particle beam weapons is that if the particles are charged the beam will have a range limit because it will eventually disperse. Also, using it to cut armor is costly energy-wise but it can kill by Bremsstrahlung. I'll admit that there is technobable galore and they make shit up but there is some theoritical science behind stuff like warp.
ST ships have to fight up close and personal for their weapons to be effective. The Defiant even moves 500 meters up to its targets in DS9. And given that Trek torpedoes can't home into enemy ships, and SW torpedoes can, no matter the range of fighting, SW torpedoes will hit ST ships. ST torpedoes will be dodged by fighters and be ignored by shields.
The max range of turbo lasers actually can go from the ground to high orbit like the Ion cannon, which is the stun-gun version of turbo lasers.
Unless George Lucas said it was 200GT, it isn't canon. Canon can be revised anyway. The subject of what is canon in Star Wars rests with Lucas. 200GT stands out in sci-fi like a sore thumb; the observable effects of ISD turbolasers are not consistent with that rating. Look at the Tantive IV or Millennium Falcon. both take multiple hits from these weapons. the Death Star would've been a waste of materials if one ISD has 60 turbolasers firing 200 GT. Each impact would have a planet-wide effect.
You are correct about the 200GT not being scientific and the effects shown in the movies certainly don't indicate turbolasers have that kind of power.
I've realised something.
Star Wars is focused on war.
Star Trek is focused on adventures.
Star Trek weaponry is inferior to Star wars weaponry because Star Wars was designed to be more powerful in the first place.
What program do you use for the animation and modeling?
I'm kind of inspired to try and make an animated battle scene of my own.
@thefinalfrontier1701
Kirk: Take this crewmember to the firing squad.
Crewmember: Yes captain.
(Troi is set on fire and burns to death. All the while stating she felt frustration and anger from everyone on board.)
Kirk: Now, where were we, ah yes, Mr. Hawk, set a course for the Galactic Empire, Maximum warp.
Checkov: Sir, my name is-
Kirk: I know what your name is, but Mr. Hawk sounds more flavorful.
Checkov: Actually sir, the hawk was invented by Russians.
Kirk: -___-
@Perion Perion, you maintain your opinion, I'll maintain mine, and let's not argue. I've already had this kind of discussion with at least five other people so far. Besides, just because I'm a trekkie doesn't mean that I hate Star Wars, because it's actually the opposite. Star Wars introduced me to the SciFi genre. For that, it will always have a special place.
You are thinking the wrong way. You say, 200 GT firepower would have made the Death Star useless, but it's the other way: If the Empire wasn't capable of producing that much energy, they would never have been able to built the DS in the first place. So the whole existence of the Death Star proves the 200 GT rating, which is canon anyway.
Trooper: Hey, Darth, there's another ship entering the rift and it's not ours.
Darth: Identify it.
Trooper: Ohhhhh Crud, it's the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 WITH KIRK IN COMMAND!!!
Darth: All hands! Retreat! Retreat!
Kirk: Mr. Spock launch our new heat seeking torpedoes you and Dr. McCoy created.
(Several torpedoes are launched and hit the tail pipe on all the vessels.)
Uhura: Captain, I have direct orders from starfleet. We are to put back to space dock immediately, to be decommissioned....