How 'Zero Tolerance' Blurred the Lines Between Schools and Criminal Justice | Retro Report
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2016
- Over the last 30 years, schools across the U.S. have enacted tough, zero tolerance discipline policies. Some schools now say the policies went too far, disproportionately targeting African American and Latino students. Lesson plan for educators: bit.ly/RR-zero-tolerance
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Zero tolerance is bull. I got jumped in the seventh grade and I still had to be suspended, despite being the obvious victim.
Yeah I’m sure you were.
I rember they said if you fight back you get sussened. Dispite my parents constant urdgeing i never fought back. Im real life you NEED to be able to fight back. *too this day people call me a door mat and im an adult*
You would think these teachers would use critical thinking skills. It's not like they legally had to do this.
@@hjkl4153 so If i beat up the head Master then i get to go to prison with him? Is what i would ask If they would do it to my kid
I too was Bullied and I got punished. Smh
What Zero Tolerance never took into account was what happens to the students after they're expelled. No education, no jobs, no motivation and a life of poverty doubtless leads to crime.
That was not only taken into account, it was the objective.
Dan
* Facepalm's *
Fuck em.
Jared Freeland
It also didn’t take into account that kids are kids. Their brains are still developing they are going to make mistakes but they are able to grow and change.'
Talk to them like they're criminals and they will become criminals
When I was in school there was an incident in the library. The teacher had left a USB stick with her wedding photos by the computers where my class was working, and someone had stole it. Since the computers required a log in to access they knew who was over by those computers. One by one they called us in to the principles office, and he grilled us. He interrogated each of us separately. Was shouting, and accusing us of being thieves. Kids were coming out of his office crying. This guy was ex-military, and was just harassing us when we didn't know anything. They never found who took the USB drive in the end. Even after the teacher herself admitted that she didn't leave her USB stick in that computer lab, and she left it on the other side of the school of all things. We never got an apology, and when it was ever brought up the staff would feign ignorance. My mother, and some of the other parents went to the school board, and didn't believe them. We were treated like criminals at that school. There were cameras in all the hall ways, bars on the windows, and cops with drug sniffing dogs routinely roamed the halls. This was a school in the suburbs in rural Iowa. It was right next door to a minimum security prison, and even they didn't have bars on their windows. They even got time to frolic out in the yard. If you tried to leave the school during the day all the doors would be locked from the outside.
Sounds like the school and the prison need to exchange buildings, and staff while we're at it.
Cheat Queen
Oh my gosh, are you okay?? But seriously, are you okay?? My god, I hope you’re okay.
Lost wedding photos needed that level of response?!? That is madness ,first of all what was the teacher doing using school computers to upload wedding photos.
Plot twist: the building next to you was a school
Not sure if this is a prison or a school
When I was in middle school I wrote on the back of a hand held white board. I thought we were supposed to write out names and wrote an A on it then my friend told me no so I drew a small circle around it and filled it in so it looked like a dot. The teacher and principal gave me 3 days of out of school suspension. My mother found out when I got home and called the school and said if I do t go the rest of the week she is filing a lawsuit. They let me go but I got 3 days of in school suspension instead. This happened a few months after I was jumped and robbed by a group of girls who wanted my purse. They only got after school detention for premeditated assault. I will never let my kids go there
Agreed. I was attacked and assaulted (physically) a countless number of times in elementary school. It was so bad a teacher of mine, bless her, had to teach me not to flinch and that I could trust people. To this day, because of all the trauma I still jump when I see a stranger, I still don't like being touched, and over time (mostly in middle school) I had to learn to not be violent. I was so used to being hurt every day and having to hide from the school authorities (who were supposed to help but did nothing) I had no trust. To this day I hate humanity as a whole, but I look for the few that are kind and considerate to make my own little friend family. I try to be the kindness I want to see. After all, doesn't everyone deserve love?
I think Zero Tolerance policies take some things too far. I remember when I was a kid I was playing with Lego guns with my friends and drawing a WW2 scene with stick figures and the teachers got worried. But those things are human nature.
As a kid, I drew Pearl Harbor as if it was being actively bombed. I'm not even sure if it looked like the real place, but it was a harbour with a broken house, planes with bombs, and a bunch of stick figures in a HUGE red-coloured lake of blood. Yeah...I was that kid.
@@ErutaniaRose I had a Uncle who was there
I totally agree with removing violent and disruptive students. I'm trying to understand how that translates to arresting a kid for having nail clippers
It's realistic for people who are getting their basic needs met. For people in debilitating environments they have learned a different culture and they are blamed for it. Nobody grows up wanting to hurt their peers
A student court... ouch. RIP the unpopular kids.
we had a student court in highschool. we had armbands and the whole nine yards. it was FUN.. did it sophomore and junior year. And it worked. hazing and harassment was down, school uniform violations were down, number of detentions were also down. the president of the student court (think of the judicial side of student council) graduated, the club was dissolved by the teachers/ staff because "students dont have the mental capacity of handing out fair punishments' I was nominated the previous year to be president.. so I saw the decision first hand. hazing and harassment went back up, we had three instances of drug uses where cops had to come in, school uniform violations skyrocketed, and detentions went back up. Comically its the students that dont have the mental capacity to handle discipline.. the staff's response when I addressed this when half way through the year I requested the club to be reinstated was the staff was to busy to care.
Better than a real judge sending you to community service or jail.
@@ErutaniaRose For sure, but at least in my experience, the real courts are not really involved in school incidents. Could be different where you live, dunno.
@@twintailMedia they made you wear arm band? Sounds like what the Nazi forced the Jews to wear.
@@googletinder6074 so armbands make you jewish.. got it.
I saw a student get arrested in the 8th grade by the school resource officer. That was an interesting day...
Audrey Confer Same
Zero tolerance is so stupid. Someone could be seen getting bullied, fight back then get in trouble.
This video reminded me of a song where the first words were “How did we get here?”.
The only time a kid in my class got in legal trouble during school was the one time we had a field trip to the local courthouse and while security chek at the entrance the idiot was found to have not only a knife with him but also an illeagal one. Now my hole class is blacklisted and the fieldtrip was immediately over and we had to go back to class.
Ok Ok I hope you’re in a very primary grade otherwise your school is failing at literacy
illegal*
I got suspended in 5’th grade because i pushed a kid who was bullying my friend.
I Commend your Heroism, I got Bullied in junior high school during my 6th grade year. When the kid hit me, I got In trouble for two days.. sent to in house to do worksheets. I went home and cried in my pillow. One of the worst days in my life..
Petition to remove zero tolerance policy?
Parents need to raise their kids better especially nowadays.
Yup. Thank you!
Put them out with zero tolerance yes thats good but only do it to the person doing wrong
Bully: punches kid
Kid: does nothing
*both suspended*
Wrong
Bully: punches kid
Kid: does nothing
*bully suspended and kid patched up by nurse*
Right
Very right: bully hits kid
Kid hits bully bully is suspended
In theory, it seems like a good idea until some girl gets arrested for having pain killers when on her period, or an athlete with an injury. And, let's be honest, schools are just pre-prisons. Students who are victims of violence are told they are just as much to blame as the ones hurting them, that there is no justice, and that turns the more towards crime.
That, and many kids are expelled or suspended and sent out to the world thinking it is unjust no matter what. They are sent out into a world that believes school is the only way to earn success when really, it's a place to regress your thought process, get violated, and be tested to death.
Schools need to go and education need to rise. That woman who was doing in-school court is a Goddess, and she understands education, or at least, justice. Kill 'em with kindness.
Honestly fuck zero tolerance… when someone saves or helps the victim and still gets punished it makes them not want to help others out of fear.
9:00 Whether a punishment is punitive is completely a perspective thing. One could say, "I didn't expel those students to punish them, I expelled them to teach them why they shouldn't do ___", or if they said, "Were not giving the student detention as punishment for not doing homework, were giving them detention to give them time to make up their homework", and the punishment wouldn't be punitive, so saying that a punishment isn't punitive means nothing.
I wanted to thank Eric Holder for finally realizing this is bullshit. I hope in the future that some unsuspecting innocent boy would have to go through like I went through in public schools and all this crap zero policy did to me and other people who didn't deserve this at all. I hope these teachers and principals and these school policy makers like school district members learned their lesson on life
The state's repressive apparatus should never be near places of learning or free thought.
Only in America would you have police in schools.
MacDaddy635 Who is at fault?
MacDaddy635 You too?
+MacDaddy635 um, ever heard of Canada? They have some schools that also have police officers in the schools. May want to look up Canada's SRO before running your ignorant mouth.
@@tellurye
Pretty sure they're in Toronto, which let's be real: the rest of the country calls America Lite for a reason.
tellurye also Canada is mostly white anyway and Asians don’t exactly commit much crimes either. They make it seem like it’s unjust racism towards minorities but fact is certain groups are more violent than others in certain cases.
Might as well teach the kids that they live in a police state early on. "land of the free"
As someone who was born in America and is still stuck here, I am working SO SO hard to get enough money to get out and leave this country for good. Between the prison of a school system, outrageous gun protection groups, new nazis (because apparently, the world wasn't already going to sh**), the lack of action to prevent Covid from spreading and killing people, practically no paid family leave, the work culture and SO much more I can say will full confidence that I loath America with every fibre of my being.
There is not enough good here to balance out all of the insanity, and I cannot wait for the day I move out. Yes, other countries have many issues, but it's easier to be a person and help create change when you don't constantly have a shooter running around everywhere.
@@ErutaniaRose did you move out
I remember reading a reddit post about getting suspended for having a Sex Pistols shirt in their car.
If Bertie Simmons became principal at my school, she’d be my favourite.
Great documentary 👏🏾!
Thank you!
@@RETROREPORT You're welcome 😊!
Kids were eight rules are not old enough to be arrested by police like in Key West Florida I think that is stupid what the officers did
That's worse then I remember it.
It's only getting worse. A kindergartener was arrested for throwing a tantrum. Just think about that and tell me you don't wanna go YEET into the sun.
It’s one of the reasons why kids get arrested
Teachers love the power trip gained from all this
No weapons in school sounds very logical and common sense.
In a bullying incident, student court (also supervised by principals and teachers) should be considered so that we can hear the victim's side of their story rather than suspending them. But, most schools wouldn't go for it.
These people give off some serious super villain vibes.
The System of Education is evolving into the system of correction
My brother got expelled for a ligit reason' stabbing someone in the face.
Damn am Im glad I live in ireland
How hard is it to move to Ireland, would you say? Trying to abandon America here.
We had a teacher and a principal like this they thought they were going to take and have all of us boys stopped caring are hunting guns during hunting season wrong they thought they would tell our parents that we were carrying our guns to school that they would expel us wrong again they also thought they were going to come into the bowling alley which was the local Hangout and break up on Friday and Saturday night definitely not a good idea they both lasted one semester and the teachers they replaced got recalled it wasn't even our school boards idea it was a state
Damn super predators.
My princable was like that last lady :D
It's always too hot or too cold ain't it?
Wake up it's all by design!
Y'know implementing better gun control in general would diminish these problems too.
Doesn't help like most people think. Chicago is a good example. The problem with making it harder to get a product is the fact that it creates black markets. A good example is drugs
This is such regressive crap.
Great Eric Holder campaign video. Maybe next time mix in some facts about the children?
We need to bring back corporal punishment.
That won't work. If someone does something wrong, they need to be taught what they did wrong and guided to the right actions for next time. Yes, punishments for certain acts are necessary, but just punishing them will make them act out more. Read up on psychology. If you fight fire with fire, you get a bigger fire.
@@ErutaniaRose also, not to mention that parents would throw a fit nowadays for teachers laying a finger on their little angels. Which I completely understand.
Poor snowflakes at the schools.