Years ago, I had a coworker who was picked on a lot. He was a nice kid who worked hard. Now and then I'd invite him to have a drink with me after work, and even came up with a handshake for us that we used during shifts. One day he came up to me and thanked me for being so nice to him. He then said "If I decide to shoot this place up, I'll make sure it's a day that you're off." I never saw him again. Thankfully he didn't do anything violent.
i was lucky i was in goddard middle school when it happened but my school was locked down too and it was terrifying i learned all of it from people i knew and shared the community with
The rest of the story with john savage was he asked dillan klebold if he was going to kill him and Dylan says "just get out of here man, they let him live because he connected with Dylan as a human being he showed mercy
Thank you for commenting this...this whole thing is disturbing and I couldn’t believe those two killers actually showed mercy to someone. John Savage is alive because of that...how bizarre and confusing
@@truegirl2anna There was also a guy a jock/football player whom they "interrogated". This guy said something to the effect of "I don't want any trouble" and apparently Dylan replied "trouble? you don't know what trouble is..." and after that Dylan said to Eric " I'm gonna let this fat fuck live, you can have him if you want" to which Eric replied, "Let's go to the commons". This was just after Eric shot Cassie Bernall in the head, which caused his shotgun to recoil back and slam into his face breaking his nose. So after this incident, he seemed to be a bit dizzy and uninterested in killing at that particular moment. They were bullied at school, but they were not exclusively bulled all the time. What they were pissed off at was that they were excluded and not invited or ignored to where all the "cool" kids were involved in. You know rich, good looking, popular etc... having cool parties, having hot girlfriends etc... they were not invited nor welcomed to such "elite" happenings. They were pissed off at the schools elitist attitude towards rich and popular/sports students that were given all sorts of benefits and could get away with behaving like typical spoiled rich kids. They could abuse other students and school would not punish them at all. They were seen as untouchable and Eric and Dylan were disguisted by this. However this does not condone what they have done.
Right.. I can’t imagine going thru such a thing & then as soon as u get out to safety & likely still in shock then u have reporters shoving cameras in ur face?? It disgusts me & esp with the kids from sandy hook
Dr.Park Dietz of the FBI has argued for decades that these type of killers want "fame" or infamy. Why not deny it to them, don't give their names or show their photos, the media needs to focus on the victims. Why not give Dr.Dietz's idea a try, what is their to lose, it may save lives?
I read both Cullen's and Brooks Brown's books.. Read Brooks account co-written by Rob Merritt, and believe it as it was very detailed. Cullen's is like 60% inaccurate.. The Truth Beyond Death at Columbine will stick with me forever. I read it in a few days and wanted more.
I really think Dave Cullen is wrong here. They were outcasts, definitely. And even if they had their own friends, they weren't the friends that 'counted'. This is what they interpreted in their own lives, which is what is important. They were alienated from the vast majority of the school and the community, whether by their own actions or attitudes or not.
Look at the source Dave Cullen attributes in his book. Namely, the principal of the school. I would instead trust the information given by his classmates. There are numerous interviews and quotes to be found in various sources, ranging from Dylan and Eric's closest circle to some of the jocks to some peripheral friends. Also, take a look at the class picture: where and with whom they are sitting.
Allyson Lawrence They were scared of Harris (klebold idk) this video where the jocks walk into the door, notice how Harris puts his head down, and walks right INTO the group, they didnt touch him with a finger, but they did touch/bullied the guy with the camera. People knew the way harris was. Harris is the key imo. How did they get those gastanks there ? Did someone actually see them carrying that thing ?
In the video the jocks walk right into Eric. Which group do you think were physically larger, by the way ? And I'm not sure what your last questions have to do with my comment.
Allyson Lawrence No Sweety, im a guy, and i can give you a 100% guarantee, they didnt wanted to touch Eric (which they didnt) but they DID touch the guy who hold the camera, and punched him, or shoved him around. If they wanted to touch him, u would have seen it, and the only thing what you see is them walking past Eric.
American society is part of the problem ..... You don't see it in Ireland we have no popular kids ladder people with all different interests hang out with eachother...x 💙💚💛 you don't get school shootings in Europe...x x x x 💓💛💙💜x x x x
Um you act like crime doesn’t exist in Europe. It’s just as bad except it’s not troubled teens, but drunk idiots that cause these tragedies in Europe. Not talking about school shootings, just assault and homicide crimes in general.
@@jessieqk12 I'm not saying there arent here just theres more in America the right to bare arms and the bullying society isnt exactly good there is it .... kids here just dont shoot up schools ... its usually mental health issues if it happens it happened once in Scotland by a man who was mentally ill in the 80s...x x facts ...x no need to get defensive it's just the truth ..x
The hubris of Dave Cullen is astounding. They walked in the library and straight up declared that this was happening because of all of the shit they had to deal with over the past four years, not to mention the journals and other students that said the same thing. But never mind all that, obviously the great Dave Cullen knows more than anyone else about this event, even the two responsible for it! Screw that guy and his book, which is an odd read for sure.
They dont mention bullying that much. Much of the accounts are Second hand information. From Brooks Brown, The Jefferson County- documents and friends.
@@26michaeluk 100% agreed and that was never the claim. It was clear at that point that they were blooddrunk and wanted to kill everyone. The original plan was to blow up the school, but the bullying played a pretty big part in terms of motivation, as they said themselves.
No disrespect but that was a wake up call for the masses of the people. Adults failed those teenage boys because they refused to listen. In my opinion, it's a pure reminder to stop disrespecting and bullying people because you might end up in a body bag.
No you wack there's not just 1 answer to why, there's a ton of reasons why. They didn't just kill there potential bullies that killed random people, mostly students they didn't even know. Rachel Scott was an innocent little girl at the time she probably didn't even know them and different didn't do anything wrong to them. That's just one example, there's tons more it wasn't just because of bullying.
@@averagebloke4474 bullying can lead to so many other problems though. Bullying can change a person. Not justifying their action but they definitely were severely messed up.
The girl who said " they said they were doing it for their revenge because they were such outcast at our school" and the girl Bree who said "they said they were doing it because they were picked on last year" were both in the library so I'm of the opinon that Eric or and Dylan must have said something to that extent
UNPOPULAR OPINION!! It's interesting to note that when one of the students say that the shooters were laughing while killing their classmates, they are represented as monsters and rightly so. But how is a similar situation like this treated when there are no fatalities? Let's say a bully shoves and pushes on another classmate, dropping their books, outcasting them while laughing in their face...a bully. Schools dont pay much mind. Detention? A strong talk by a teacher? Brushed off as just student to student things. Of course bullies are monsters too. But when you see a bully laughing, people's comments towards them are different. Some may even join in on the public humiliation. Humiliation that might just push one or two kids over the edge and cause a school shooting. And nobody points to a bully when a school shooting happens. In my eyes if a school shooting occurs as the result of deliberate humiliation, those people should be held accountable just as much as a shooter. For as they are the ones who pulled a trigger on a student who may just be going through too much.
I think John said in one of the interview's that he knew Eric or Dylan from one of his classes. He mentioned that he was friendly towards them in class they had together and that they had no reason to hate him or dislike him at all. So when he saw Dylan with a gun he asked Dylan "what he was doing" and Dylan replied "Oh nothin' much, just killing people". At which John asked him " are you going to kill me?" and then Dylan said "nah man get outta here".
Not all killers show lack of emotion. In fact everyone has emotion. Whether we fail to notice is our own downfall. Those kids were bullied and I believe the planning of the shooting started as a game as therapy for their experience of bullying. Unfortunately it became a fantasy and they were able to carry it through. This is very sad for all the victims including the shooters. If u fix bullying then u will fix the violence. .if anything u will take away the motive.
Dylan Klebold let John Savage live because they were mates, and Sean Graves, he stepped on him and said sorry dude and walked away. Eric Harris let Brooks Brown live and another girl in the library
Eric was bullied, Dylan was not. Dylan was too tall, too quiet and too weird to be touched by the jocks. Eric's motive was killing bullies, before the Library Killings, he shouted: "Everybody in jock hats, stand up! This is for all the shit you made me go trough these 4 fucking years!" Dylan was suicidal due to his lack of romantic relationships - which is partially why after they did the killing, they killed themselves (everyone gets a win win) or because Hitler also shot himself, and they were known for shouting: "HEIL HITLER" shit
The question nobody is asking is why are the youngsters left alone with no parental engagement or oversight? If you don't keep up with your teens then somebody else will! Nature abhors a vacuum and someone will always enter a teenager's life to occupy their need to belong and be accepted. This was what allowed them to do what they did being left to their own devices!
So your telling me they lied for years in their journals saying they were bullied.they were hit with tampons covered with ketchup at school by jocks their parent even admitted it.they were bullied beyond belief.They are to evils in this situation.dylan and Eric and the injustice of the school system to stop bullying and to give help to students who need it.
Yup. But, if you read Klebold's journal, you can see his motive wasn't bullying, no one ever bullied him, it was Harris who was bullied. Klebold was suicidal and depressed due to his lack of romantic relationships.
I wish for that too. Being at schools just so suffocating not because of the homeworks or the studying things but those person who will just judge you because of your disability or weak disposition in life. Or being bullied because of their family background or because of being poor.
No, they did it on purpose. Harris and Klebold use to shout: "HEIL HITLER" when they played card games or went bowling etc. Harris was also a nacisst, and they wanted to be Hitler's followers.
Lol, how? Eric Harris? A narcisstic guy who hated everybody and wanted everybody to die, hated Christians, used to shout: "HEIL HITLER" all the time. Dylan Klebold, a shy, depressed fella having suicidal thoughts due to lack of his romance relationships? Maybe if he wasn't so fucking quiet, a gal would notice him. And, when John Savage asked him: "What are you doing?" He simply and cold blooded replies: "Eh, killing people." And you're telling me that's a victim, not a fucking sadistic monster?
Their is not much of a difference between 1999 kids and 2021 kids but the time zones you know I think we all would try and jump the shooters the 1999 kids too
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“Under The Tables kids" I still can't forget those words and how that woman could be remotely calm during something so terrifying.
Imagine what the kids that skipped school that day felt.
My friends dad where friends with shooter and also he stayed home that day
that john savage encounter is like barrier breaking- sounds like dylan was talking to a friend in that moment, crazy
Years ago, I had a coworker who was picked on a lot. He was a nice kid who worked hard. Now and then I'd invite him to have a drink with me after work, and even came up with a handshake for us that we used during shifts. One day he came up to me and thanked me for being so nice to him. He then said "If I decide to shoot this place up, I'll make sure it's a day that you're off." I never saw him again. Thankfully he didn't do anything violent.
@@Surfer041 I agree.
i was lucky i was in goddard middle school when it happened but my school was locked down too and it was terrifying i learned all of it from people i knew and shared the community with
The rest of the story with john savage was he asked dillan klebold if he was going to kill him and Dylan says "just get out of here man, they let him live because he connected with Dylan as a human being he showed mercy
Dylan Klebold
Thank you for commenting this...this whole thing is disturbing and I couldn’t believe those two killers actually showed mercy to someone. John Savage is alive because of that...how bizarre and confusing
@@truegirl2anna There was also a guy a jock/football player whom they "interrogated". This guy said something to the effect of "I don't want any trouble" and apparently Dylan replied "trouble? you don't know what trouble is..." and after that Dylan said to Eric " I'm gonna let this fat fuck live, you can have him if you want" to which Eric replied, "Let's go to the commons". This was just after Eric shot Cassie Bernall in the head, which caused his shotgun to recoil back and slam into his face breaking his nose. So after this incident, he seemed to be a bit dizzy and uninterested in killing at that particular moment.
They were bullied at school, but they were not exclusively bulled all the time. What they were pissed off at was that they were excluded and not invited or ignored to where all the "cool" kids were involved in. You know rich, good looking, popular etc... having cool parties, having hot girlfriends etc... they were not invited nor welcomed to such "elite" happenings. They were pissed off at the schools elitist attitude towards rich and popular/sports students that were given all sorts of benefits and could get away with behaving like typical spoiled rich kids. They could abuse other students and school would not punish them at all. They were seen as untouchable and Eric and Dylan were disguisted by this. However this does not condone what they have done.
The problem is the "race to be the first one to come forward with the story"!
Connie Johnson and it’s even worse today with social media.
Right.. I can’t imagine going thru such a thing & then as soon as u get out to safety & likely still in shock then u have reporters shoving cameras in ur face?? It disgusts me & esp with the kids from sandy hook
We weren't allowed to have backpacks from this shooting past my senior year.
Spoiler alert: We’ve learned NOTHING except how to hide from a shooter 💔
Dr.Park Dietz of the FBI has argued for decades that these type of killers want "fame" or infamy. Why not deny it to them, don't give their names or show their photos, the media needs to focus on the victims. Why not give Dr.Dietz's idea a try, what is their to lose, it may save lives?
Their names will get out one way or another. Doesn't have to be the news. Today's technology it would be hard to keep it a secret.
The names of the shooters are public information.
@@shammydammy2610 they dont have to be. Thats the point of the #nonoterity movement.
@@alishagreen5760 I'm not going to support a 'hidden arrest, hidden trial, hidden incarceration, hidden execution on the taxpayer's dime' movement
shammy dammy even if it reduced mass shootings and save lives ?
Half the time they aren’t making it to trial and such anyway.
Why do people always site Dave Cullen? Just because he wrote a book doesn’t make him right! He has no clue what he is talking about.
Baca World He spent a solid decade researching Columbine.
What have you done?
@@raran44 lol maybe watched yt videos
So do u?
His book has several mistakes
@@ericssidechick3732 get some help...
“What causes school shootings?”
The dam phone.
OK KAREN
The medias need for content and the DHS HSEEP program
TheR3A1Phantom that’s the joke
@@breakingmad2645 ik lol
Nah its obviously the violent video games
I read both Cullen's and Brooks Brown's books.. Read Brooks account co-written by Rob Merritt, and believe it as it was very detailed. Cullen's is like 60% inaccurate.. The Truth Beyond Death at Columbine will stick with me forever. I read it in a few days and wanted more.
Read Randy Browns Book, it will blow your mind how much has been covered up and swept under the rug.
I really think Dave Cullen is wrong here. They were outcasts, definitely. And even if they had their own friends, they weren't the friends that 'counted'. This is what they interpreted in their own lives, which is what is important. They were alienated from the vast majority of the school and the community, whether by their own actions or attitudes or not.
How do you know? Dave Cullen spent years researching the issue; maybe you do know better than he does, but based on what information?
Look at the source Dave Cullen attributes in his book. Namely, the principal of the school.
I would instead trust the information given by his classmates. There are numerous interviews and quotes to be found in various sources, ranging from Dylan and Eric's closest circle to some of the jocks to some peripheral friends.
Also, take a look at the class picture: where and with whom they are sitting.
Allyson Lawrence They were scared of Harris (klebold idk) this video where the jocks walk into the door, notice how Harris puts his head down, and walks right INTO the group, they didnt touch him with a finger, but they did touch/bullied the guy with the camera.
People knew the way harris was. Harris is the key imo. How did they get those gastanks there ? Did someone actually see them carrying that thing ?
In the video the jocks walk right into Eric. Which group do you think were physically larger, by the way ? And I'm not sure what your last questions have to do with my comment.
Allyson Lawrence No Sweety, im a guy, and i can give you a 100% guarantee, they didnt wanted to touch Eric (which they didnt) but they DID touch the guy who hold the camera, and punched him, or shoved him around. If they wanted to touch him, u would have seen it, and the only thing what you see is them walking past Eric.
American society is part of the problem ..... You don't see it in Ireland we have no popular kids ladder people with all different interests hang out with eachother...x 💙💚💛 you don't get school shootings in Europe...x x x x 💓💛💙💜x x x x
Um you act like crime doesn’t exist in Europe. It’s just as bad except it’s not troubled teens, but drunk idiots that cause these tragedies in Europe. Not talking about school shootings, just assault and homicide crimes in general.
@@jessieqk12 I'm not saying there arent here just theres more in America the right to bare arms and the bullying society isnt exactly good there is it .... kids here just dont shoot up schools ... its usually mental health issues if it happens it happened once in Scotland by a man who was mentally ill in the 80s...x x facts ...x no need to get defensive it's just the truth ..x
Lol. Hierarchies exist everywhere..
I 🙏 for all those who suffered that day that they find peace for those we lost are in a much better place
The hubris of Dave Cullen is astounding. They walked in the library and straight up declared that this was happening because of all of the shit they had to deal with over the past four years, not to mention the journals and other students that said the same thing.
But never mind all that, obviously the great Dave Cullen knows more than anyone else about this event, even the two responsible for it!
Screw that guy and his book, which is an odd read for sure.
They dont mention bullying that much. Much of the accounts are Second hand information. From Brooks Brown, The Jefferson County- documents and friends.
I highly doubt the people in the library were the ones that supposedly mistreated them.
@@26michaeluk 100% agreed and that was never the claim. It was clear at that point that they were blooddrunk and wanted to kill everyone. The original plan was to blow up the school, but the bullying played a pretty big part in terms of motivation, as they said themselves.
I think naming the killer does not discourage people from recreating that crime.
"theres a lot of school around the world where noones ever been shot" - yeah, mostly in countries with sensible gun laws.
It’s not about gun laws it’s about the entire system, the US is run by Satan
its everything the us is messed up
Informing take on this event.
So today they went to my school and at the end everyone started crying even the boy's. I really wish i got to meet Rachel in person😢
10:16 Yeah,let that put your mind at ease parents...
No disrespect but that was a wake up call for the masses of the people. Adults failed those teenage boys because they refused to listen. In my opinion, it's a pure reminder to stop disrespecting and bullying people because you might end up in a body bag.
Columbine exist
Adam:I'm about to ruin this guy's world record
I'm a member of Rachel's challenge
Why did they do it? Bullying, let's talk about that
No you wack there's not just 1 answer to why, there's a ton of reasons why. They didn't just kill there potential bullies that killed random people, mostly students they didn't even know. Rachel Scott was an innocent little girl at the time she probably didn't even know them and different didn't do anything wrong to them. That's just one example, there's tons more it wasn't just because of bullying.
@@averagebloke4474 bullying can lead to so many other problems though. Bullying can change a person. Not justifying their action but they definitely were severely messed up.
@@averagebloke4474 they knew Rachel, especially Dylan as he ran tech for the drama productions she was in.
In my old school somebody has been stabbed. No joke 6yo. Elias in Basel
The girl who said " they said they were doing it for their revenge because they were such outcast at our school" and the girl Bree who said "they said they were doing it because they were picked on last year" were both in the library so I'm of the opinon that Eric or and Dylan must have said something to that extent
yes 🔥
UNPOPULAR OPINION!!
It's interesting to note that when one of the students say that the shooters were laughing while killing their classmates, they are represented as monsters and rightly so. But how is a similar situation like this treated when there are no fatalities? Let's say a bully shoves and pushes on another classmate, dropping their books, outcasting them while laughing in their face...a bully. Schools dont pay much mind. Detention? A strong talk by a teacher? Brushed off as just student to student things. Of course bullies are monsters too. But when you see a bully laughing, people's comments towards them are different. Some may even join in on the public humiliation. Humiliation that might just push one or two kids over the edge and cause a school shooting. And nobody points to a bully when a school shooting happens. In my eyes if a school shooting occurs as the result of deliberate humiliation, those people should be held accountable just as much as a shooter. For as they are the ones who pulled a trigger on a student who may just be going through too much.
6:44 top left gun sogns
Not trying to be funny but the date of the shooting is a kinda cool but still RIP the 13 people
So are we just going to not put in or ignore the fact that one of shooters was on an antidepressant that drove him insane?
How did they not kill John Savage??? They showed mercy to someone?? What a bizarre contradiction
I think John said in one of the interview's that he knew Eric or Dylan from one of his classes. He mentioned that he was friendly towards them in class they had together and that they had no reason to hate him or dislike him at all. So when he saw Dylan with a gun he asked Dylan "what he was doing" and Dylan replied "Oh nothin' much, just killing people". At which John asked him " are you going to kill me?" and then Dylan said "nah man get outta here".
Not all killers show lack of emotion. In fact everyone has emotion. Whether we fail to notice is our own downfall. Those kids were bullied and I believe the planning of the shooting started as a game as therapy for their experience of bullying. Unfortunately it became a fantasy and they were able to carry it through. This is very sad for all the victims including the shooters. If u fix bullying then u will fix the violence. .if anything u will take away the motive.
@@alexs7097 and I think Eric and Dylan thought they're gonna bomb the fuck out of the school, so everybody will die anyway, but idk.
Dylan Klebold let John Savage live because they were mates, and Sean Graves, he stepped on him and said sorry dude and walked away. Eric Harris let Brooks Brown live and another girl in the library
Three days before Oregon...
what happened in oregon?
i’m here from a tiktok
Really? What was the tiktok about?
lmfao, they might be the fbi 😳✌🏾.
Sweetlikehoney251?
Ash GachaIncubus ya
owen same
Lol how tf do people think they werent bullied
David Savage The principal tryna tell people wrong on purpose cause he was shit at handling situations and wanted to keep his athletes safe
Because they weren’t.
They were mentally fucked up.
Depressed psychopaths.
But just because that is true it doesnt mean that the other isnt...yes they have responsibility but they still could have been treated badly
Eric was bullied, Dylan was not. Dylan was too tall, too quiet and too weird to be touched by the jocks. Eric's motive was killing bullies, before the Library Killings, he shouted: "Everybody in jock hats, stand up! This is for all the shit you made me go trough these 4 fucking years!"
Dylan was suicidal due to his lack of romantic relationships - which is partially why after they did the killing, they killed themselves (everyone gets a win win) or because Hitler also shot himself, and they were known for shouting: "HEIL HITLER" shit
I remember our school banned black trench coats because of this.
Rip to all the people that died colorado is turning bad
The question nobody is asking is why are the youngsters left alone with no parental engagement or oversight? If you don't keep up with your teens then
somebody else will! Nature abhors a vacuum and someone will always enter
a teenager's life to occupy their need to belong and be accepted. This was what allowed them to do what they did being left to their own devices!
So your telling me they lied for years in their journals saying they were bullied.they were hit with tampons covered with ketchup at school by jocks their parent even admitted it.they were bullied beyond belief.They are to evils in this situation.dylan and Eric and the injustice of the school system to stop bullying and to give help to students who need it.
andres franco YES!!
Yup. But, if you read Klebold's journal, you can see his motive wasn't bullying, no one ever bullied him, it was Harris who was bullied. Klebold was suicidal and depressed due to his lack of romantic relationships.
Que triste
This is so sad rip to the victims of senseless violence 😓
Love it
Here's a solution make all students go online to learn. Make all kind online permanently to prevent this kind of shit from ever happening again.
I wish for that too. Being at schools just so suffocating not because of the homeworks or the studying things but those person who will just judge you because of your disability or weak disposition in life. Or being bullied because of their family background or because of being poor.
Omg
Weak hide in numbers such weak people
trying it again @
On hitter bday cant be a coincidence right?
No, they did it on purpose. Harris and Klebold use to shout: "HEIL HITLER" when they played card games or went bowling etc. Harris was also a nacisst, and they wanted to be Hitler's followers.
The shooters a the real victims.
Get real.
Lol, how? Eric Harris? A narcisstic guy who hated everybody and wanted everybody to die, hated Christians, used to shout: "HEIL HITLER" all the time. Dylan Klebold, a shy, depressed fella having suicidal thoughts due to lack of his romance relationships? Maybe if he wasn't so fucking quiet, a gal would notice him. And, when John Savage asked him: "What are you doing?"
He simply and cold blooded replies: "Eh, killing people."
And you're telling me that's a victim, not a fucking sadistic monster?
Confused european noises*
Just finished Cullens book. The news got it ALL wrong.
Read Randy Browns Book
5:40 dungenges and dragons didnt exist.
April 17 1988 @5:19 h e john savage k n o w m e Qtc b day. Was john savage a ratler of a Queen status? Nope. That w o u l d b e his second stunt.
2021 kids would jump the shootee
Their is not much of a difference between 1999 kids and 2021 kids but the time zones you know I think we all would try and jump the shooters the 1999 kids too
yee haw kill shit
john savage gahahahhahahahahahah ahahahahahahha change your name plz