They’ve stopped investing in villains. All the best Disney animation movies have memorable, entertaining villains. Ursula, Jafar, Hans, Cruella, Scar. The villain being “generational trauma” or “yourself” can only be done so many times.
I think that's a 21st century thing. They probably think that it's too expected; love interests and villains are traditional as stories now make way for introspective journies. BH6 and Frozen really did that well for me.
I disagree with Hans but he was definitely the only twist villain that actually surprised me, mostly because it came out of nowhere and made no sense but y'know... he was the only somewhat interesting one
I think he is referring to the critical reception and box office, the movies you mentioned are iconic now, but before they were not the success disney expected
@@jaredwalker3960 it was during the time in-between the good part of the 2010s and the bad part of the 2020s, like where all films were forgettable and mostly mid. That is why I added it. Like I feel like it's not decades but it's still 10 year spans, but from 2015-2025(hopefully it ends then) where there is either really good or really bad movies.
Not even close. The little mermaid, the new Indiana jones, the live action lilo and stitch, we’re still in one. But that doesn’t mean they can’t release banger movies like gog3, encanto, and maybe elemental.
Ralph Breaks the Internet is not a good but forgettable movie. It's a sequel that completely undermines and goes against the first one's message. It flanderizes Ralph to the point that he's incredibly unlikeable and Vanellope isn't any better, as she is rewarded for her selfish actions and desires. They also utterly wasted Fix it Felix and Calhoun.
In the early 2000s it wasn’t really Disney being bad, but more that other studios(even Pixar) were doing better. 2020s, though? Yeah, that one’s on Disney. Other studios also did great, but Disney has a noticeable drop.
In my opinion, I don't think Wish will fail because, well just look at it. Practically every other shot in it is imbued with the life-blood of a Disney film from previous years. You can tell that the team behind it really have a passion going into it to deliver something worthy of sitting next to The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin etc. Which funnily enough was the same mentality that went into those great films when they were being made. To create something that can stand next to Snow White, Cinderella Peter Pan, and Pinocchio. And as we all know those films turned out amazing. I feel like if there is one problem with Disney is that you can kinda tell what project someone wanted to work on and tell a story with, and what only was created because of an order from on-high, or started out good but was meddled with. I think She-Hulk, Rise of Skywalker, Lightyear, and Strange World are some of the best examples of that, but with Wish, there is just too much love the tried and true stories of the past that it can join if done right.
Calling it a dark age is definitely an exaggeration. So far it has not been long enough (or bad enough, in my opinion) to justify calling it a dark age in the level of the 80s and 2000s. But I guess I could be wrong if time passes.
Don't you mean the 3rd dark age? And I think it will continue if Wish is followed up by more sequels. Plus, there has been no announcement of what the films will be after that, on the Disney animation side. Personally, I think Covid is what really put the end to the revival era.
I respect your opinions on recent Pixar, but I think “Luca” and “Turning Red” was Pixar returning to form with their different Aardman/anime-like character designs. I think “Lightyear”, “Soul”, and “Onward” are Pixar’s weakest in recent years. I am excited for “Elemental” and I hope it makes a lot of money (especially because it’s coming out the same day as “The Flash”, but to be honest, I haven’t seen any person be excited to see “The Flash”). As for Walt Disney Animation Studios’ recent work: I think “Encanto” is obviously the best, but I still thought that “Ralph Breaks the Internet”, “Strange World”, and “Frozen II”, while not “Zootopia”, “Tangled”, “Moana”, “Encanto”, or “Wreck-It-Ralph”-amazing were still pretty good movies (“Ralph Breaks the Internet” is over-hated and I thought “Frozen II” was better than the original. Fight me.). Anyways, sorry for the rambling comment, but I also am excited for “Wish” and hope it makes a lot of money.
Encanto had a lot of storylines crammed in, Raya needed a more consistent message, and SW was uninspired. But going by track record, I'm not super concerned for Disney yet. I'm mainly concerned about Wish's hybrid art style. I prefer the realism of 3D.
Disney will get out of their dark age when they get their heads out of the sand and stop doubling and tripling down on diversity and inclusion. On the surface that doesn’t seem bad, but the way Disney does it is that it is more important than literally everything else that makes a movie. Good story and characters, animation, everything. It seems like Disney has become bitter towards its past and seeks to erase or fix it via their live action remakes and other animated movies, rather than be proud of it or own it. A company that hates itself and is focused on bringing smackdowns will not be able to match its previous greatness. I’ve liked Disney before. Their subsidiaries too like Lucasfilm and Pixar. But they need to get out of the sand and wake up to creativity again.
My thoughts exactly. I'm a little surprised SmartyPants didn't pick up on this. Maybe because he's not American? P.S. Moana, Coco, and Encanto prove that there is absolutely room for diversity in the market, but it NEEDS to be accompanied by good writing, not just heavy-handed political messaging.
Nah, wish is maybe the starting point, but elemental feels bland to me. Aside from the designs which look really creative and visually stunning, the story is a basic meh. Sometimes the graphics make an average story better. But it can't do that if you are zoning out every two minutes. And idk about everyone else, but I prefer a bad movie with pretty art than a mediocre one with pretty art. I'm hyped for wish tho. Like they are trying to find their own style of animation while also keeping interesting aspects from puss is boots and spiderverse. Gotta give them props for that.
You judge the whole film elemental through its trailer. Pixar trailers aren't like mcu trailers to make you hype. Brave and Lighyear had great trailers and they ended up being mediorce. Up, Inside out, coco, ratatouille have weak trailers and ended up being amazing.
@@konstantinosp-a6447 I'm not judging from a trailer. I'm judging from the basic sinopsis of a movie that has been remade over and over and over again, and only gets interesting when the writers give it a personal twist. Which by the looks of the trailer, doesn't seem to be the case. And also, Peter Sohn, the director and writer of“elemental”s'only other directing and writing feature film is the _absolutely amazing and totally a masterpiece_ *the good dinosaur* from 2015. As his other works have mainly been as an artist, animator, and voice acting. Yeah, my expectations aren't high. And if it turns out to be amazing, or even better than average, well then I'll get a pleasant surprise for the best ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ChaoticFaeTy Do you know that Elemental will appear at Cannes Festival? Last Pixar movies which appeared there are Up, Inside Out and Soul. Something tells me that Elemental won't be mid.
I loved most of their movies no matter what the critics and reviews say Also people can never be satisfied. When they released sequels (tho great) people asked for original content and then when they release original content then people complained about them so it can never satisfy everyone
I actually like some of the what you called the bad movies. I'm a huge fan of ria and the last dragon. And I liked Frozen two. But my problem is I like them too much so I can't rewatch. But I'm hyped for elementsal and for wish.
I disagree with the "ralph breaks the internet wasn't a bad film" part. Because it definitely was. It ruined all of the characters and their development in the previous movies. Also its already an L because its not called ralph wrecks the internet.
I completely forgot about raya and the last dragon after watching it.... I was also rather hyped for it but its not memorable at all apart from the fact theres a blue dragon.
Oddly enough I like Frozen 2 better than the first film. Also, I love Raya and the Last Dragon and Encanto. It's one of the better modern Disney films in 2020's. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Disney's Wish.
That’s not just a feeling, that’s been confirmed by Disney and its subsidiaries themselves. The agenda of representation and what not. Lucasfilm had a white board where diversity and inclusion where above everything else. It ain’t just a feeling anymore unfortunately
@@lucifer-librarian9562 yeah that’s why I think all Disney movies will continue to suck all the way to being average until they start valuing creativity and good storytelling again. Right now they’re just checking representation checkboxes above all else.
@@lucifer-librarian9562 that's exactly ehy while Encanto in the 3rd final act is heavily problematic as hell,is the only real movie I still enjoy Because the story was more important... Also the music wasn't bad at all
why does everybody just sweep away the racial issues of Raya n the last dragon n only talk abt its bad writing?just like how we in S.E.A. keep getting dismissed, movie critics love to dismiss this issue too, you are australian so you are near us and have a growing platform to influence people, please at least do us the decency of mentioning disney's disgusting " racial representation" everytime that dumb movie Raya pops up.thx.
I understand those who are offended when disney makes a mistake by stereotyping a character or culture, but the criticism should always be about the value of the movie and its story, not the context or political message, that's a very deep pit that is best left untouched, unless you know how to navigate, there are those who do it in a moderate way, but then you have the extremists on each side.
"Ralph breaks the Internet is not as bad as it is. Its good but forgettable." Uh huh stop lying. Ralph 2 is a blight on humanity and is an epitome of everything wrong with modern Disney
and what, pray tell, counts as "woke crap" to you? I have a strong hunch it's gonna involve racism or homophobia, but bonus points if you can somehow prove me wrong.
@WildfireAMV I think there is a difference between cringe woke tokenism stuff and good representation that people can often see but then don't know how to express other than "woke bad".😅
@@kaylar.8126 The tokenism vs good representation is a good argument, but I think you're giving too much credit to people who don't even know the definition of woke and only use it to mask their racist, homophobic, transphobic and sexist thoughts lol
@@Fireberries ^ this exactly. There is definitely a nuanced discussion about how Disney handles these things, for example how they tried and failed badly with Raya because they attempted to represent too many cultures at once and ended up mashing them together in a disrespectful and inaccurate way. But just blaming the representation in general rather than making that distinction between the two situations is ridiculous
@@Fireberries Yeah, I love seeing representation in film, but what I don't like is when they throw in a bunch of minority characters, girlbosses, and not so subtle dialogue complaining about the patriarchy and racism as a means to cover up an otherwise forgettable and uninspired movie, and then cry racism/sexism/__phobia when people criticize it or it doesn't do well. Miles Morales is great representation. Encanto as a whole is great representation. Velma and most of the live action Disney remakes are not what I'd consider good representation.
ngl im kinda ready for Disney to die... like Dreamworks has always been so much better in mu opinion, and i really want them to become the new "biggest thing in film" because they deserve it
DreamWorks has always been a very mixed bag imo. Sure, they release masterpieces like How to Train Your Dragon or The Last Wish, but they've released just as much shlock on par with The Emoji Movie.
@@charlescorpuz4476 if they go back to their roots then sure, but as of right now they are really digging their own grave with these shitty sequels and live action remakes
They’ve stopped investing in villains. All the best Disney animation movies have memorable, entertaining villains. Ursula, Jafar, Hans, Cruella, Scar. The villain being “generational trauma” or “yourself” can only be done so many times.
I think that's a 21st century thing. They probably think that it's too expected; love interests and villains are traditional as stories now make way for introspective journies. BH6 and Frozen really did that well for me.
I disagree with Hans but he was definitely the only twist villain that actually surprised me, mostly because it came out of nowhere and made no sense but y'know... he was the only somewhat interesting one
No way you included Hans
“Remember the dark age of Disney in the 2000s?”
Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Lilo and Stitch….
Hardly a dark age.
This 2020 decade? DEFINITELY
Yes.
It legit only has encanto, turning red and Coco.
All other movies are so boring I didn't even know some exist before the videos.
I think he is referring to the critical reception and box office, the movies you mentioned are iconic now, but before they were not the success disney expected
@@CarlytheQueenofChaos Coco was released in 2017
@@jaredwalker3960 it was during the time in-between the good part of the 2010s and the bad part of the 2020s, like where all films were forgettable and mostly mid.
That is why I added it.
Like I feel like it's not decades but it's still 10 year spans, but from 2015-2025(hopefully it ends then) where there is either really good or really bad movies.
No it still is.
Atlantis is trash
Coco: "Am I a joke to you?"
EDIT: Disney bought Pixar. It's under their banner.
Technically Coco is a Pixar movie
Yes
Coco is Pixar
My Year 11 class went to a Piturehouse back in 2018 to watch it. Leashed me along. Ended up enjoying it though.
A lot of people get confused about this. Disney eras (golden/silver/bronze/dark age, renaissance, revival) refer to Disney animation alone, not Pixar.
Not even close. The little mermaid, the new Indiana jones, the live action lilo and stitch, we’re still in one. But that doesn’t mean they can’t release banger movies like gog3, encanto, and maybe elemental.
And Wish
Yeah, those three are gonna suvk
Not gonna lie, I think Turning Red actually can compete.
That movie was great!
I agree. I like the film and I think it holds up well with Pixar's rep of mature themes.
Ralph Breaks the Internet is not a good but forgettable movie. It's a sequel that completely undermines and goes against the first one's message. It flanderizes Ralph to the point that he's incredibly unlikeable and Vanellope isn't any better, as she is rewarded for her selfish actions and desires.
They also utterly wasted Fix it Felix and Calhoun.
In the early 2000s it wasn’t really Disney being bad, but more that other studios(even Pixar) were doing better.
2020s, though? Yeah, that one’s on Disney. Other studios also did great, but Disney has a noticeable drop.
Surface Pressure hits different
Disney in the mid to late 2000s and early to mid 2010s was 🔥.
Also, Moana and Zootopia were the last good Disney movies. Encanto is 10/10 tho
Agree!!!
I honestly enjoyed Frozen 2 even more than the first Frozen movie but that honestly is more having to do with subjectively than objectively.
In my opinion, I don't think Wish will fail because, well just look at it. Practically every other shot in it is imbued with the life-blood of a Disney film from previous years. You can tell that the team behind it really have a passion going into it to deliver something worthy of sitting next to The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin etc. Which funnily enough was the same mentality that went into those great films when they were being made. To create something that can stand next to Snow White, Cinderella Peter Pan, and Pinocchio. And as we all know those films turned out amazing.
I feel like if there is one problem with Disney is that you can kinda tell what project someone wanted to work on and tell a story with, and what only was created because of an order from on-high, or started out good but was meddled with. I think She-Hulk, Rise of Skywalker, Lightyear, and Strange World are some of the best examples of that, but with Wish, there is just too much love the tried and true stories of the past that it can join if done right.
What if King Magnifico is Aladdin's dad in disguise?
Except Aladdin’s dad is middle eastern and Magnifico is Iberian .
What I wanna know is what happened to that Kingdom Hearts TV Show that was announced forever ago.
I’m surprised this video doesn’t have more likes.
Is seems Disney’s 100th anniversary is enough to break there decade curse
Eden: “BECAUSE I DON’T WANT TO BE YOU!”
Calling it a dark age is definitely an exaggeration. So far it has not been long enough (or bad enough, in my opinion) to justify calling it a dark age in the level of the 80s and 2000s.
But I guess I could be wrong if time passes.
Don't you mean the 3rd dark age? And I think it will continue if Wish is followed up by more sequels. Plus, there has been no announcement of what the films will be after that, on the Disney animation side.
Personally, I think Covid is what really put the end to the revival era.
I respect your opinions on recent Pixar, but I think “Luca” and “Turning Red” was Pixar returning to form with their different Aardman/anime-like character designs. I think “Lightyear”, “Soul”, and “Onward” are Pixar’s weakest in recent years. I am excited for “Elemental” and I hope it makes a lot of money (especially because it’s coming out the same day as “The Flash”, but to be honest, I haven’t seen any person be excited to see “The Flash”). As for Walt Disney Animation Studios’ recent work: I think “Encanto” is obviously the best, but I still thought that “Ralph Breaks the Internet”, “Strange World”, and “Frozen II”, while not “Zootopia”, “Tangled”, “Moana”, “Encanto”, or “Wreck-It-Ralph”-amazing were still pretty good movies (“Ralph Breaks the Internet” is over-hated and I thought “Frozen II” was better than the original. Fight me.). Anyways, sorry for the rambling comment, but I also am excited for “Wish” and hope it makes a lot of money.
I doubt it but I hope we get _something_ good/entertaining.
These past few years should be known as the "woke era" and it has produced terrible films except for Encanto.
Encanto had a lot of storylines crammed in, Raya needed a more consistent message, and SW was uninspired. But going by track record, I'm not super concerned for Disney yet. I'm mainly concerned about Wish's hybrid art style. I prefer the realism of 3D.
Its a dark age for me when blue sky shut down let's hope Disney does succeed with wish
Is it a pattern that Frozen 2 and Ralph Breaks the Internet are both sequels?
I'm super excited for Elemental.
2:31 didn’t hit a million dollars?
No
Disney will get out of their dark age when they get their heads out of the sand and stop doubling and tripling down on diversity and inclusion. On the surface that doesn’t seem bad, but the way Disney does it is that it is more important than literally everything else that makes a movie. Good story and characters, animation, everything. It seems like Disney has become bitter towards its past and seeks to erase or fix it via their live action remakes and other animated movies, rather than be proud of it or own it. A company that hates itself and is focused on bringing smackdowns will not be able to match its previous greatness. I’ve liked Disney before. Their subsidiaries too like Lucasfilm and Pixar. But they need to get out of the sand and wake up to creativity again.
My thoughts exactly. I'm a little surprised SmartyPants didn't pick up on this. Maybe because he's not American?
P.S. Moana, Coco, and Encanto prove that there is absolutely room for diversity in the market, but it NEEDS to be accompanied by good writing, not just heavy-handed political messaging.
I feel like Pixar has once again overtaken WDAS by now. They are however very likely to slip once again in the near future.
Nah, wish is maybe the starting point, but elemental feels bland to me.
Aside from the designs which look really creative and visually stunning, the story is a basic meh. Sometimes the graphics make an average story better. But it can't do that if you are zoning out every two minutes.
And idk about everyone else, but I prefer a bad movie with pretty art than a mediocre one with pretty art.
I'm hyped for wish tho. Like they are trying to find their own style of animation while also keeping interesting aspects from puss is boots and spiderverse. Gotta give them props for that.
You judge the whole film elemental through its trailer. Pixar trailers aren't like mcu trailers to make you hype. Brave and Lighyear had great trailers and they ended up being mediorce. Up, Inside out, coco, ratatouille have weak trailers and ended up being amazing.
@@konstantinosp-a6447 I'm not judging from a trailer. I'm judging from the basic sinopsis of a movie that has been remade over and over and over again, and only gets interesting when the writers give it a personal twist. Which by the looks of the trailer, doesn't seem to be the case.
And also, Peter Sohn, the director and writer of“elemental”s'only other directing and writing feature film is the _absolutely amazing and totally a masterpiece_ *the good dinosaur* from 2015. As his other works have mainly been as an artist, animator, and voice acting.
Yeah, my expectations aren't high.
And if it turns out to be amazing, or even better than average, well then I'll get a pleasant surprise for the best ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@ChaoticFaeTy Do you know that Elemental will appear at Cannes Festival? Last Pixar movies which appeared there are Up, Inside Out and Soul. Something tells me that Elemental won't be mid.
I loved most of their movies no matter what the critics and reviews say
Also people can never be satisfied. When they released sequels (tho great) people asked for original content and then when they release original content then people complained about them so it can never satisfy everyone
I actually like some of the what you called the bad movies. I'm a huge fan of ria and the last dragon. And I liked Frozen two. But my problem is I like them too much so I can't rewatch. But I'm hyped for elementsal and for wish.
Can you do troll hunter
Am sure wish will return the Disney legacy.
It's not tho
I disagree with the "ralph breaks the internet wasn't a bad film" part. Because it definitely was. It ruined all of the characters and their development in the previous movies.
Also its already an L because its not called ralph wrecks the internet.
yeah I'm surprised he's so nice to a movie that doesn't deserve being called GOOD
Well 6 months later the answer is a resounding no…
This is the first time i heard someone exited about elemental
Can you please please please review Lego monkie kid I think you like it, it has a good story amazing character and top tear animation
yeaah anyone here after wish?
We're gonna have to quit
then what about dinosaurs
I want to be hopeful, but I'm just not.
Ah No and Wish Suck
This big problem with Disney is they are trying to be more work and are not trying to make a good movie. But I am excited to see Elemental
You didn't mean "woke," did you?
@@madamii I did mean woke
I'd call this the woke era
I completely forgot about raya and the last dragon after watching it.... I was also rather hyped for it but its not memorable at all apart from the fact theres a blue dragon.
No we are in a worse dark age
Oddly enough I like Frozen 2 better than the first film. Also, I love Raya and the Last Dragon and Encanto. It's one of the better modern Disney films in 2020's. Anyway, I'm looking forward to Disney's Wish.
Smarty pants: Wreck it ralph 2 is not bad
Ok loser. Just know that there are a hundred fans who think the movie is just a cashgrab
Hit up the stock market folks
Big
Hero
Six
They few good characters & a few good senses. Dry up is a bow you know. Pixar you have 3 good😊 it's for soul, I am so sorry not into this movie.
I can't see how Elemental can hit,I see a clear bombed movie 😅😅
It seems Zootropolis 2.0 but with elements instead
I feel as if Representation and inclusion was more imprtant to Disney than good stories
That’s not just a feeling, that’s been confirmed by Disney and its subsidiaries themselves. The agenda of representation and what not. Lucasfilm had a white board where diversity and inclusion where above everything else. It ain’t just a feeling anymore unfortunately
@@riotkitty There's nothing wrong with Representation but if it is vaued more than goo story telling and likeable characters then it will not end well
@@lucifer-librarian9562 yeah that’s why I think all Disney movies will continue to suck all the way to being average until they start valuing creativity and good storytelling again. Right now they’re just checking representation checkboxes above all else.
@@lucifer-librarian9562 that's exactly ehy while Encanto in the 3rd final act is heavily problematic as hell,is the only real movie I still enjoy
Because the story was more important... Also the music wasn't bad at all
@@rhythmicmusicswap4173 Encanto wasn't bad, the music was good. Let's hope they have learned their lesson
why does everybody just sweep away the racial issues of Raya n the last dragon n only talk abt its bad writing?just like how we in S.E.A. keep getting dismissed, movie critics love to dismiss this issue too, you are australian so you are near us and have a growing platform to influence people, please at least do us the decency of mentioning disney's disgusting " racial representation" everytime that dumb movie Raya pops up.thx.
I understand those who are offended when disney makes a mistake by stereotyping a character or culture, but the criticism should always be about the value of the movie and its story, not the context or political message, that's a very deep pit that is best left untouched, unless you know how to navigate, there are those who do it in a moderate way, but then you have the extremists on each side.
You’re far too kind to Disney.
"Ralph breaks the Internet is not as bad as it is. Its good but forgettable."
Uh huh stop lying. Ralph 2 is a blight on humanity and is an epitome of everything wrong with modern Disney
It ain’t gonna get better unless they ditch the woke crap,
and what, pray tell, counts as "woke crap" to you? I have a strong hunch it's gonna involve racism or homophobia, but bonus points if you can somehow prove me wrong.
@WildfireAMV I think there is a difference between cringe woke tokenism stuff and good representation that people can often see but then don't know how to express other than "woke bad".😅
@@kaylar.8126 The tokenism vs good representation is a good argument, but I think you're giving too much credit to people who don't even know the definition of woke and only use it to mask their racist, homophobic, transphobic and sexist thoughts lol
@@Fireberries ^ this exactly. There is definitely a nuanced discussion about how Disney handles these things, for example how they tried and failed badly with Raya because they attempted to represent too many cultures at once and ended up mashing them together in a disrespectful and inaccurate way. But just blaming the representation in general rather than making that distinction between the two situations is ridiculous
@@Fireberries Yeah, I love seeing representation in film, but what I don't like is when they throw in a bunch of minority characters, girlbosses, and not so subtle dialogue complaining about the patriarchy and racism as a means to cover up an otherwise forgettable and uninspired movie, and then cry racism/sexism/__phobia when people criticize it or it doesn't do well.
Miles Morales is great representation. Encanto as a whole is great representation. Velma and most of the live action Disney remakes are not what I'd consider good representation.
ngl im kinda ready for Disney to die... like Dreamworks has always been so much better in mu opinion, and i really want them to become the new "biggest thing in film" because they deserve it
Great but no one asked
DreamWorks has always been a very mixed bag imo. Sure, they release masterpieces like How to Train Your Dragon or The Last Wish, but they've released just as much shlock on par with The Emoji Movie.
Not gonna happen. If Disney goes back to their roots, prepare for Dreamworks' fall. They're heavily relying on sequels.
@@Simbala-bq5vy hello?? Why so critical 💀
@@charlescorpuz4476 if they go back to their roots then sure, but as of right now they are really digging their own grave with these shitty sequels and live action remakes
There is no way this guy wasn’t paid by Disney for this psyop video
Disney is falling off.
DreamWorks >>>