I’ve Heard It Said, “Once Saved, Always Saved” (Andrew Naselli)
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Andrew Naselli unpacks the phrase "Once Saved, Always Saved."
Andrew David Naselli is an associate professor of systematic theology and the New Testament at Bethlehem College & Seminary in Minneapolis and one of the pastors of the North Church in Mounds View, Minnesota. He is also the author of 'Romans: A Concise Guide to the Greatest Letter Ever Written'. Naselli traces Paul’s argument for the gospel throughout this concise and accessible guide to the book of Romans. Designed to be read alongside the epistle itself, it provides accessible, standalone commentary unpacking the text verse by verse. This volume dives into the key themes of righteousness, peace, and God’s promises, accompanied by reflection questions on interpretation and application-perfect for individual or group study.
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Once truly saved always saved!
What a way to not only mislead people in reading scripture in a twisted way, but also not believing that what Jesus did at the cross was sufficient for us.
Exactly! This is just a veiled version of work-based salvation.
Who doesn't persevere have never been saved. Only the saved ones can persevere.
False, Perseverance doesn't prove anything. Lost people can persevere just as much as a saved person.
@@Yeshua_is_Adonaiyes, only the Lord knows his faithful people. Judge and complain is useless. Sorry!
Amen brothers and sisters, may the Lord continue to be glorified!
Very important point of thought.
*OSAS is true but true only for those born again. Not everyone who confesses Christ is.* And OSAS is true because every part of faith is by grace, which includes falling and getting up and persevering. The best example of OSAS is the Chosen People. They did not choose God he chose them, and he will never give them up, ever. But perfection and perseverance are not the world I would use to describe them. David blundered very badly, and suffered much for it, but he was still the favorite of the LORD.
Amen
Following chirst and believing in christ alone for salvation are 2 different things.
Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved
Acts 16:31
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9
What about the thief on the cross who had no time left to live well for Christ?
“Today you will be with me in paradise”
Luke 23:43
@@boom-botz444what good works did the thief on the cross have ? Peace ✌️
@@boom-botz444 I agree. But you brought up good works but didn’t answer the question.
@@johnjaso385Facts
"if the Son shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed"
yea, once you are saved, you can live however you want.. you are free
"whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die"
you are a master of theology and know not these things?
What did Jesus say? In Matthew 7:21 and Matthew 23:13. Read it for yourself.
Excellent clarification sir.
You cannot be once saved and the attributes of God absent in your new life,and be saved!
The new life of God in you,must find expression and growth.
Otherwise, it's a fallacy.
Peter denied Christ 3 times.. did he express the "attributes of God" ?
@@jhenningkelloggiaAnd see this where people put themselves in a corner what about Paul Romans 7
@@bryonstevenson1084 "we are delivered from the law" (v6)
this ezekiel guy doesn't know what he is saying:
"You cannot be .. saved ...and be saved!"
its not just being void of logic, with someone like ezekiel, it is quite apparent he is blind also.... why?.. because he lacks faith.
without faith, it is impossible to understand
I think you are wrong. I am saved and living by faith and if I slip up a little or a lot I am in jeopardy of an eternal death. What is a little or a lot do I determine that or do you in your proof texts or is God. So what you are saying I can never ever know if I am saved or not. As you yourself can see your doctrine is wrong. I know I am saved PTL. Thanks for scarring me. Once saved is always saved.
The Arminian knows he has salvation, but he doesn't know if he will keep it.
The Calvinist knows he can't lose salvation, but he doesn't know he has it.
Sad.
Arminian here.
By God's grace and help..if you continue then you are my disciples indeed.
As the guy who's in the video said without saying it.. warning passage against departing from the faith is a warning..also I don't see the fatalist narrative of Calvinism either.
We're commanded to me put on Christ, Romans 13:14..
And you can't depart from where you once never stood.
@@rauldelarosa2768 *Salvation* is the free gift of eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection
*Discipleship* is the lifelong commitment to follow Jesus Christ, obey His teachings, and become more like Him.
You read "if you continue then you are _saved_ indeed". That's not what the text says.
You seem to equate salvation and discipleship, even though they are different terms with different meanings. And that's why you can't have assurance of salvation.
@@minorsingingairhead don't put words in my mouth..I said Jesus said if you continue then you are my disciples indeed.
You can't be his disciple if you're not walking with Jesus.
@@minorsingingairhead I have assurance of salvation..I simply don't flippantly think that grace is a justification for Antinomian easy believism.
Say you're Antinomian easy believism advocating without saying that.
@@rauldelarosa2768 Name calling is not a good method of communication. Arminians can be sure they are saved _right now._ But they can't know they'll go to heaven tomorrow or even an hour from now.
How can o.s.a.s be true and misleading at the same time!?
It is either true and therefore embraced or it is misleading and should be jettisoned - pick one, or we'll have to conclude that this video is true and misleading all at the same time.
BTW How many angels could actually dance on the head of a pin? 🤔
He answers your question in the video. It has potential to mislead towards a poor understanding of how Christians should live. It can cause more harm than good because the saying is too concise for new believers or those with a poor biblical foundation.
This guy is saying, "Behave to be saved."
The bible teaches believe to be saved.
Sunday Christianity, is constantly using lingo that are lies on their face.
According to your own savior, NONE are yet saved until the END, (his return).
Mt. 10:22, 24:13.
Ya gotta be saved FIRST, and NONE are yet saved.
Lot's of conversion, and God ward. What you you read you are saved by grace, you are to understand it based on the word of Christ. You are TO BE, saved by grace.
Once saved, always saved?
Didn't a beautiful angel rebelled while immortal?
The first person to espouse the idea of "Once Saved, Always Saved" was John Calvin in the mid. 16th century. Even Martin Luther did not subscribe to this teaching. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of early Christians was that a person is capable of losing salvation by committing a grave sin without repentance as John spoke about in 1. John 5:16-17.
No suggestion of once saved, always saved cannot be found on the lips of any Christian before Calvin.
So what about Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30. I'm not trying to be smart I'm just asking a question how do you get unsealed?❤
False. Works have nothing to do with salvation
"So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself" James 2:17 - a true faith will show works
@@Sorin_P Romans 4:2-7 "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered."
@@Sorin_P Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
I'm not contradicting you regarding the justification only by faith. Just wanted to say that after justification, there will be works, as a fruit of true faith.
@@Sorin_P Matthew 7:21-23 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
If you stand before Jesus trusting in your works you will perish. Just like it states it Matthew 7, these people refer to Jesus as Lord but are trusting in THEIR OWN works instead of the finished work of Jesus Christ. Let no man deceive you.. scripture is clear
Oh boy.
You're either truly eternally secure or your not.
I believe scripture is clear that a true born again believer cannot lose or walk away from their salvation.
Why? We know that God cannot lie. It's impossible.
We know that the word of God is perfect, with no contradictions whatsoever.
If it did contradict itself then it's no different from any other book and is not from a perfect God.
So, with that understanding and truth of God's word, what do we do with the scriptures that seem to say something other than the truth of eternal security? We have to rightly divide and keep scripture in context.
We have to look at scripture as a whole when we see those questionable scriptures.
It's not the scripture that's the issue, it's our understanding of the context.
When we truly understand that we are free and sealed... this gives us a greater desire to serve and walk in a way that's pleasing to our King, not grieving the Holy Spirit.
We should not be walking out our salvation in fear of losing it. That's ridiculous and not what God intended.
Our complete, 100% trust for our salvation must be on the finished work of Christ on the cross and His precious blood, not anything to do with our actions or non actions.
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Unborn Again? Impossible. You Cannot Lose Your Salvation.
Scripture is clear that once you become a child of God through faith, you can never lose your salvation. However, eternal security continues to be discussed, doubted, and debated within Christian circles. So let's take a deeper look.
• The following article has been written by David Novitsky.
If salvation could be lost or undone once spiritual rebirth has already occurred in a believer, God would then have to do numerous things the Bible never speaks of or teaches Him doing to anyone! Surely the scriptures would clearly illustrate these things if it were true?
Follow along...
God would have to pass me back into death from the eternal life that He already gave me.
God would have to remove me spiritually from being seated with Christ in heavenly places.
God would have to "un-join" me from Christ.
God would have to "un-wash" me from the blood of Jesus that already washed me.
God would have to "un-seal" me from the Holy Spirit.
God would have to "re-place" my sins back onto me that He already removed as far as the east is from the west.
God would would have to now remember my sins that He already "remembers no more".
God would have to break His own covenant He made with His Son and therefore would make Him a liar (and we know God cannot lie).
God would have to "un-adopt" me as His child.
God would have to leave me and forsake me even though He promised to never do so (again God cannot lie).
God would have to "pluck me" from His own hand in which He already promised nothing could ever do!
God would have to "take back" the free gift He already gave to me.
God would have to "un-do" the righteousness He already imputed to me from Jesus.
God would have to fail to raise me on the last day going back on His promise to do so (God cannot lie).
God would have to fail in completing the good work in me He already promised to complete.
God would have to ignore all the prayers of His Son on our behalf who is interceding for us as believers.
God would have to ultimately reverse the once for all sacrifice made by His own Son and ignore it like it never happened.
I could go on for days with this! But hopefully you get the picture.
Titus 3:5 KJV
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Did you watch the video? It teaches the perseverance of the saints which you also talk about, but also addresses verses such as Colossians 1:21-23 and 1 Timothy 4:1 plus the various Hebrews passages some times referred to as the "warning passages." "Once saved, always persevering" is a more thoughtful and accurate summation of what Scripture teaches us over "once saved, always saved."
I agree with you, you are either eternally secure or you are not. The video does not dispute that but concisely makes an argument over a potentially better way of understanding a common saying within the church.
I think many these days are confusing GETTING saved with sanctification ( the growing, maturing, walk out the faith) we SHOULD be doing AFTER salvation.
@@sunnydaze1185 I totally agree
@doulostouchristou yes, I did watch it.
The feeling I got from that was a subtle 'you are eternally secure... BUT'
That leaves young Christians in doubt and focused on themselves and their sin instead of resting in God's amazing grace and the perfect, complete sacrifice of Jesus.
That's also why when we teach new, and even older Christians for that matter, that we are eternally secure and the Holy Spirit now begins that work in us to help us walk each day in the spirit and not the flesh.
Will we fail, make bad choices, sin? Absolutely, but if we were truly born again we will despise it and desire to walk out put salvation in a way that is pleasing to the Lord.
It felt like a subtle back-loading of the gospel to me. Just another incomplete message of the gospel and our new walk.
A new believer wouldn't know what to think after that
@@dannyhall1912 I see your point but I thought the video addresses that well and more importantly is supported with the Bible. The Hebrews warning passages are written to new believers. I think all of these verses are meant for new believers, just as they are for seasoned, mature Christians.