Hatum makes me happy to see. She is excellent. She was not happy with just one arabic quran, so she went shopping and found around 26 to 30 orginal different arabic qurans. A muslim that reads is a muslim no more.
Uthman had multiple Quran that he burnt and left one and the funny thing is he clearly got scholars from around the Islamic world too edit it and rewrite it clearly taking verses out places others in changing scripture corrupting it why would a man burn the other books because he knew in translation it’s corrupting the word of god he was hiding something supposedly when an Arabic Quran is translated too English we know that certain words don’t translate well so people use alternative solutions too solve it hence corrupting and change the Quran there’s more than 30 all in Arabic from early sources that are all changed and all they go on is truth of word that it’s never being changed but as human being we lie deceive we not perfect lol the Muslims are hypocrites and brain dead
No biography about muhmd. Then no prophet. No Revelation. No Islam. It all collapses if there's no biography. No eyewitness. No evidence of muhmd in Mecca. No artifacts nor coins in the region. No trade routes in Mecca. Nothing evidenced before the 6th century.
@mr.angelosonassis3069 ................... No book. Only biographies. Four biographies but full of HOLES. Technically, no foundation. Christianity collapsed since its inception. -09-08-24
@@tinyad7180 ...................... It's not like Christianity that was invented by the Romans for their political and expansionist occupation. I'll keep on praying that you'll be awaken to the truth. -09-08-24
WOW! This is very interesting. Christian and non-Christian scholars are going back into history and are arriving in 7th century Southwest Arabia - the place where the “Islamic Mohammed” supposedly lived his entire life - in the Hejaz (Mecca/Medina Region). They are inviting Muslims to come along and to join them in the search for: (1) Mecca - the oldest city in human existence (The home of Islamic 90 feet tall Adam and Eve) (2) Mohammed - the best moral example for all of mankind (3) Quran - the eternally un-changed and un-created book that was hand-written by Allah before creation (4) And (of course) the remains of Aisha’s goat. * So far, these researchers, academics, and investigators have found no sign of a city called “Mecca” in the 7th century A.D., and no sign of a book called “Quran”. However, they have found plenty of sings of other Mohammeds elsewhere in Syria, Jorden, and further North - some of these Mohammeds predate Islam as far back as 1200 B.C. and other Mohammeds whose images are on coins that bear crosses. * Please note: The word “Mohammed” is not a personal name belonging to one (particular) person in antiquity (or history). But rather, the word “Mohammed” is a title attributed to one (or anyone) who is worthy of praise - anyone who is more desirable.
@@jdschauss Confusion and Illusion ... Whichever you find tolerable ... Bear it ... For the expediency of the moment ... Beware eternity awaits for you ...
@IslamicOrigins ....................... This video is full of evasiveness. Evading to show the debunking by Farid of their false claim. Afraid that their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212You are the one who is evading the truth again. Your Mecca is a fake corrupted inferior copy of Jerusalem. Your Qur'ans only have the title of mhmd 3-4 times in the true script. The other titles of Jesus are much more frequent. Worse than that according to the present text of Qur'ans 4:65 you have to agree 100% with every judgement of Muhammad or you're not even a real Muslim, and all the judgements of Muhammad in the hadiths contradict one another, so guessing correctly what you are supposed to follow 100% is totally impossible. Even according to your Qur'ans and traditions Muslims have been going to hell for over a thousand years.
Sincerely hope and pray that multiple people in different countries convey to the people in their areas in their own language. It is very very important.
Pietermartzburg 🇿🇦kzn South 🇮🇱Africa There is a lot of documented facts about moHARAMed that is NOT widely known. Thanks Jay + LIONESS OF LONDON HATUN .
The traditional history of Islam is in direct conflict with the written history and archeology of every other kingdom and empire during the supposed lifetime of Mohammed. Mecca didn't exist at the time Mohammed was supposedly alive. The earliest archeological find from Mecca is a shoe from around the 1200s AD. The 500s AD is very late. We have written documents from BC. If Mohammed really lived, there should be some historical and archeological evidence for him from his own time.
Halleluia ... I happened to stumble on Dr. Jay Smith ... a few weeks back ... I follow the various video clips ... Enthusiastically ... Being a Catholic I respect the great research painstakingly explored ... for the benefit of millions of our friends in the Muslim world ... God bless ... I hope to share the matter gradually ...to the like-minded ... No hurry ... No hate speech ... Truth shall make us free ... We do not want to live in deception ... The lie is being exposed .... The man Mhmd, the place Mecca, the book Quran ... are all cooked to satisfy the political ... Expansionist needs of the 7th century ... Sure the open minded muslims will open their minds to the presentations available ... The compilation if presented ... In the Google ... for online reading FREE ... Can be offered to the public .... Our prayers are the most indispensable to lead the deliberations ... most peacefully ... for saving the millions ...
Jay not only made many videos infront of cameras, he had confronted invited religious leaders, debate muslims scholars, made public conferences around the world, challenges in speaker corners...for many years now.
@FalconManBoy ................. This is full of evasiveness. Evading from showing the debunking by Farid. Afraid that all their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
@@martinjackman2943 ................... Jay Smith has been spreading these lies for 40 years already. That's why he evaded to show the full debunking of Farid. Otherwise, his lies will totally be exposed. -09-10-24
Another point of manuscript preservation, Islam supposedly began in a giant desert, where preservation is very easy, and that land had never been invaded by any enemy since; they never once had an opponent burn any of their books.
Also Jay, we don’t have the same problem as Muslims because Christians reject the later Gnostic gospels. So we have every right to call out the false teaching of Islam.
When the Jewish Archaeology of King David's City in Israel dates back to around 2,000 BC and Christian Archaeology in Israel has found St Peters home on the banks of the Sea of Galilee and even 2,024 year old Archaeological evidence of Jesus Christ's home at Capernaum, again on the banks of Sea of Galilee. But Islam has *NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF IT'S CLAIMS* and it's a good bit younger than the Jewish and Christian Archaeology in a very different environment than Israel and the wars and battles that have plagued that area! 🤔🤔.... Something doesn't add up!!
@@akkat8396 ........................ The Dead Sea Scrolls were written by the Gnostic people that lived near the bank of the Dead Sea. Hence, it is a Gnostic scrolls. You seem to be putting yourself in great dilemma. -09-08-24
God bless you and keep you safe🙏 this is amazing, nobody have don it before you because they have been too afraid. But you are fearless and its incredible to be witnessing your absolut decemation of Islam 🙏
HH-xw4hr .......................... Islam cannot be decimated. It will be there to stay here and in the Hereafter forever. For it is the only religion of God since the inception of the Universe up to its destruction. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 hahah havent i told you you need to go to the mental hospital? Habibi you are not right in the head! Al lah is under my foot, and Momo is in jahannam. The light is stronger than the darkness. SAHIH MUSLIM 146. not my words, but your third most important book!! I pray for you brother in humanity!
@@HH-xw4hr ................... Yes. What you don't know is that Islam predates the existence of mankind. It is already the religion of the angels in the heavens. When Adam was created, it is the same religion hat he brought down when he landed at Mecca, and settled with Eve there. It is this same religion that he passed on to their offspring, from generation to generation. And being the only religion of God, it will be there to stay till the Hereafter. -09-10-24
@@akkat8396 ..................... Can you trust this Lady Joker who claimed that she was able to find by herself 93,000 differences in the 30 Qur'ans? How did she do it? When Bart Ehrman looked for the differences in the 4 make-gospels only, it took him a long time. He had to do a parallel system of comparison between the 4 make-believe gospels. But for the Lady Joker, it was easy for her as if she was just like counting stars up in the sky. Joker indeed! -09-09-24
1:28:01 - 1:29:23 the Clincher and the invitation to leaderless people!😂😂😂 thanks guys for concluding this with that re-affirmation our Lord and Saviour's Sovereignty and Lordship!!!❤ 👏 👏 👏 👏
@brettpinion4233 .................. What would you expect when this info becomes more widespread among Muslims? We are not that too shallow-minded who can easily be deceived. -09-08-24
You are talking about Michael Jan de Goeje as compiler of the current edition of Al Tabari. Just a small correction, he was a Dutch scholar, at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, not in Germany And thanks for your thorough investigation in Islam, it’s really helpful
@@pauljansentextor1788lx ................ Prof. Marijn Van Putten who wrote the book 'The Qur'an Dates Back To Muhammad" is a professor at the University of Leiden. -09-08-24
I do not know whether it is important from a source point of view or not, but if I remember well the Abbasid Caliphate was still extant in the early 16th century but under the Mamluk Sultanate of Cairo.
@lishanmulugeta4589 ................. If Jay Smith is the present-day Paul, I'm afraid he would meet the same fate like Paul who was incarcerated first by the King of Rome and then slaughtered at the public plaza. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 You speak like martyrdom of the genuine sort is bad ( not attacks on people, in which one deceases, that's a very incorrect islamic alteration of the idea). Maybe you dont know heaven is like 1000s of times more awesome than here, and also as a martyr one receives a special crown and status. Actually a lot of those 1C top saints could avoid it, but then it would be unfair on people of weaker faith, persecuted by the Romans. Compare Paul with Mohammed though, Mohammed in the hadiths lost his life due to a Jewess seeking revenge because of his cruelties, Allah did not protect him, misguided him to take the toxic lamb, and demonstrated by refusal of his prayers for healing, that he was false.
@@collybever ........................ What you don't know is that Prophet Muhammad pbuh lived for four more years after that 'poisoning incident'. What you don't know is that Angel Jibreel had alerted him, hence he was not able to eat that 'toxic' meat. Could you last a day if you're poisoned? -09-09-24
@@collybever ..................... Prophet Muhammad pbuh had still lived for four more years after that 'poisoning incident'. Now, it's up to you to think if whether or not he was able to eat that 'toxic meat', whether or not he was saved by Allah SWT.. But if you were to assess, could a person last that long if he is really being poisoned? -09-10- 24
@@defenderoftruth3212 the issues is that you people are so blinded , see Saudi Arabia knows the truth , Mecca never exited till 743AD , how come Mohammed was there in 6AD ? Mohammed is false .. listen and learn , so you can unlearn what you have been brainwashed with
Hatun - why were you gone for some time? ❤ I was sure, that you had gone to be with the Lord. ❤❤ But I am so happy to know and see, that you are still here. Thank you for you all you do 🙏👏❤️🔥👑🔥
@@defenderoftruth3212 habibi im not joking, you should seek a physician. You keep manifesting everyday. You are not even muslim. You think islam is what you want it to be. You HAVE to seek help brother in humanity. No person who supports child grape have noor in them.
It is so strange that they say 'peace be upon him' all the time. Does their prophet not have enough peace without them saying this? Does stating it over again get him extra piece? Such a weird thing to do.
They don't say that in Arabic. When the Arabic is translated into English it's somewhat embarrassing, so they put the "peace be upon him" phrase instead. Salla allah 3alayhi wa sallam means "prayer of allah upon him (Muhammad) and deliver him". This is problematic because the lesser prays to the superior. It doesn't say Allah prays "to" Muhammad (or "for" Muhammad, as Muhammad Hijab said), but prays "upon" Muhammad. But the simple fact that Allah, who is supposed to be above everyone, prays, is problematic because he shouldn't be praying if he's above everyone. Everyone should be praying to him. So to avoid the problem they just say "peace be upon him".
We thank God for leading Jay Smith and Htun Tash ... from 1992 ... Morocco .. onwards ... the six quran copies ... Noted ... Did not sideline ... But pursued .... The humble servants .. boldly facing the issue at stake ... We keep praying ... Ave Maria ...
Thank you Hatun and Dr.Jay for your work in this field. How much would I have to hate these people to not tell them the truth? Dear Muslims and followers of Islamic doctrine, Answer these findings if you can: It's not possible for you to provide the evidence for your 30+ different qurans as we can for His Word, the Bible. Many will make the claim that we have many different translations of the Bible. They do this without understanding that in those different translations there are no changes to any point of doctrine minor or major. Those Bible translations were developed so all could understand His Word. They were created so all could understand in their native languages. In all those translations nothing of His Word is changed to alter any of it's doctrine. His Word is as constant and unchanging as He is, (Mal 3:6, Rom 11:29 &more). That is nothing like the 30+ different qurans that alter many points of doctrine both minor and major, some 93,000+ differences have been found to date, more are still being discovered. (Isaiah 46:10) states about the living LORD God: "Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure". There are literally hundreds of fulfilled prophecies throughout Scripture that testify to these absolute truths. Critical scholarship in recent years is exposing more and more of the falsehoods and lies of S.I.N., (Standard Islamic Narrative), their phrase not mine, under scrutiny it is all falling apart. There is no proof of any scribes who wrote down anything the so called prophet is claimed to have said or did anywhere near his supposed lifetime as claimed. That's the reason we are told it was all "perfectly preserved" by word of mouth for centuries. Which somehow word of mouth is just fine for the followers of islam but not for any other religion, especially Judaism and Christianity. Thank the Lord we don't have to rely on word of mouth, we have the writings of those inspired via the Holy Spirit to record His proven Word, (Sam 2 22:31, Psa 18:30, Psa 119:160 and more). There's an abundance of writings, (manuscript evidences), some of which have been dated to 700BC for the Old Testament and from 65AD to 120AD for the New Testament. These manuscripts of the New Testament where written within years or decades of the life of Christ not centuries later as those of the quran and their so called prophet. We have our recorded Scripture from the correct places and time periods that have been shown to be historically accurate. Where as they can produce nothing until centuries after their supposed prophet's lifetime. Yet they claim that God's Word, the Bible, was somehow corrupted even though we can provide the evidence to prove that never happened. Our Bibles today are a very close match to extant manuscript evidences of which there are some 66,600+ from the correct times and places. The ongoing Qumran Cave discoveries that began in the late 1940's prove that it has not been altered or corrupted. In those discoveries was an almost intact Isaiah Scroll dated to the correct time period and our modern Bibles are very close to an exact match to what was written in it. Other than spelling and other minor differences that effect no doctrine or His Word in any way. There were also many other Books as related to our modern Bibles and many from the New Testament as well. They make the claim about the quran that these things happened in the 7th century AD and yet they can produce no evidence from that time period or even close, there's simply nothing. What they have is mainly from the 9th thru 15th centuries or later, which is centuries after their prophet is claimed to have lived. He is said to have died in 632AD and yet again they can produce nothing from that time period. We must challenge them to provide the evidence for their faith in the same way they challenged ours as we've more than answered that challenge. We must do this to bring them to the light of truth which is something all peoples should want to know. All should want to have certainty that they do in fact have God's Word and are not being deceived by the imaginations of men. Remember that projection is the tool of liars as they try to divert people from the truth. That is why when challenged the followers of islam always divert and attack our faith as they're trained to do. If you haven't noticed they never give straight answers to our questions but are always on the attack even though those attacks have already been proven to be false many times. It takes as little as two generations for myths to become established as reality when there are no written records of what really happened. Mecca didn't exist when claimed, it was not the first city on earth where Adam and Eve are said, (as falsely claimed in the 30+ different qurans), to have come down when the LORD cast them out of Eden. Their being said to have come down is another huge issue as we know the Garden of Eden was on earth, the LORD's creation, not in heaven as they also falsely claim. Abraham nor any other true prophets ever lived in Mecca and they aren't buried there as is falsely claimed in multiple qurans. The mountains Hagar journeyed between in her search of water for her son are in Jerusalem where the Angel of the Lord spoke to her and not anywhere near the location of Mecca. If you read their different qurans you will quickly notice how they took Biblical stories and twisted them getting so many things wrong, most are not even close to being historically accurate. You will also find much of it is pulled from the Apocryphal writings that are not Scripture and never were because they contain far to many falsehoods and errors including not being written by who they claim. There are many more false claims than this in their 30+ different Qurans none of which are historically accurate as is His Word, when and where His Word overlaps with history. Mecca was not a major city or village of note as claimed at those times. It simply can't be found in any historical documents such as trade or official records of which there are many. There were many cities and villages in that time around the location of Mecca and yet there's no mention of Mecca at all in any of the records from those places. Below is more truth that may be painful to read for some but that doesn't change it. One of the most loving things we can do is speak His Truth, calling out evil as commanded by Him, (Eph 5:11). An absolute evil we see today is the false religion of Islam and all it produces, not the people they are lost and truly deceived by their teachers/leaders. It's a death cult supposedly founded in the 7th century AD, which wasn't written about until the 9th thru 11th. More than 200-600+ years separate the lifetime of the so called prophet of the early 7th century and the first written records. Islam means "submission" or "submit", willingly or by force. Based on a supposed prophet who can't even be proven to have existed as nothing claimed is accurate when checked against historical records. Many don't realize the word "alah" simply means a god that has no name, a supposed god who condones the warlike greed and lusts of the men who created it. Devout followers have no desire to assimilate into the nations they invade, it is not truly flight or immigration, but a false religions command to force all into submission, enslavement or death. Examples of what Islam produces are throughout history: Jihads, Invasions, 911, Oct 7, HAMAS and Islamic terrorist groups, killings of helpless captives, slave trade, training their children to kill. Using children's toys to represent all who don't adhere to Islamic doctrine, especially Jews and Christians. Look at the nations that Islam controls we have the records of the ongoing genocides. Any religion other than Islam is being all but wiped out, especially those based on the true and living LORD God of Israel, the Bible. It can't be denied that this is happening in every place they hold a majority or rule. Saying or promoting that Islam is a religion of peace is an absolute lie, one their 30+ different qurans tell them to spread until they can seize power, it's a false religion spread by the sword/force. The very idea that Islam/Muslims are a religion of peace is absurd when you read their own writings. It's a lie sweeping ours and other western nations that is parroted by the young who've never been exposed to Islamic doctrine, (even by the RCC and it's current pope though he/they should know better with his calling for unity of all religions, something islam will never allow). The vast majority of the young have no idea what they're supporting or saying, (2 Pet 2:10, 12). If they were ever to be under Islamic rule many would be killed on sight, others taxed, enslaved, tortured or worse and none of them would be enjoying the freedoms they have today. The place is false. The man is false. The book is false. In total it's all false, nothing more than the S.I.N. narrative a name they themselves gave to this evil false religion of the enemy. It came from the imaginations, (driven by something), of the greedy, warlike, lustful, men who created it. All because they needed a place, a man and a book, their own antitrinitarian religion. What do you call a three legged stool with no legs? Useless for it's intended purpose. Come home to Christ Jesus where you will know with absolute certainty where you will spend your eternity, in the infinite perfect love of our infinite perfect creator, the LORD God of all creation, the giver of eternal life and truth, Christ Jesus the Lord of lords and King of kings, the only Way. I thank all who read this wall of text and my challenge to islam stands, prove your faith as we have ours. Num 6:24-26
I know it's strange to reply to myself with this comment and the reason I did is to add why've added this wall of text. Many who follow islam will come to this video teaching to just comment not watching and hearing the truth revealed in it. My prayer and hope is that some will read this wall of text and be exposed to years of research into what Hatun and Dr.Jay point out in this presentation. Num 6:24-26 for you, yours and all those around you...
@@PreacherwithoutaPulpit ..................... This video is full of evasiveness. Evading to show the debunking by Farid of their false claim. Afraid that their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
It is time for Muslims of today to finally come away from the controlled herd mentality .... if not for their own sakes .... at least for the sake of their childrens' eternal souls. When a parent truly loves and cares for their child, they will want the best for them. ONLY through Jesus Christ can one be allowed entry into Heaven - do NOT delay.
@@defenderoftruth3212 You are blind my friend - your fake 'issa/jesus' guides people only to the one from below. Put ignorance aside and save your soul while you can - search for the TRUE Jesus.
@@restawhileyall1781 ....................... Put your ignorance aside and save your soul while you can - search for the THE ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD. -09-10-24
Thank you Hatun and Dr.Jay for this important work and excellent video presentation of truth. Below are Scriptural proofs that I've compiled over the years: The NT Gospels - Evidence of Author's & Dates Written: Matthew - A tax collector who became Jesus' apostle and wrote about the life of Jesus as the Messiah of the Jewish community c. 54 to 60 AD. Mark - A Jew, and a companion of Peter and Paul, who wrote for both Jews and Gentiles about Christ's death and resurrection c. 46 to 54 AD. Luke - A Gentile doctor, a companion of Peter and Paul who wrote for the Gentiles about Christ the Savior of mankind. c. 54 to 60 AD. Luke - also wrote the Acts of the Apostles c. 60 AD. John - The 'beloved' apostle of Jesus, wrote in his later years about the Word who took on Flesh (John 1:1,14) c. 80-90 AD. John - also wrote 3 Letters and The Book of Revelations c. 80-95 AD. James - Jesus' half-brother, wrote 1 letter c. 35 AD. Paul - wrote 13 letters c.49 - 65 AD. Jude - wrote 1 letter c. 65 AD. Peter - wrote 2 letters c. 67 AD. The author of Hebrews is unknown c. 65 AD. Jesus Christ's' ministry began between the dates of 27-30AD and with 30-33AD for His Crucifixion, well attested facts. Christianity began after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ when thousands of Jews became followers of the 'Way', (Jesus). The New Testament scholar, F.F. Bruce, gives strong historical evidence that the New Testament was completed by A.D. 100.
The apostles and their companions wrote the New Testament from their first-hand experiences with Jesus the Christ, (Messiah). New Testament integrity is supported by historians, biblical and textual scholars, along with thousands of early codices, manuscripts and the Dead Sea Scrolls, proving the validity and preservation of the Gospels written between c. 35-90 A.D (Eusebius, Church History 111. 39 .15; Irenaeus Against Heresies, 111.1) Internal Evidence: The internal evidence supports these early dates for several reasons. The first three Gospels prophesied the fall of the Jerusalem Temple which occurred in A.D. 70. However, the fulfillment is not mentioned in them. It is strange that these three Gospels predict this major event but don't record it happening. Why didn't they mention such an important prophetic milestone? The most plausible explanation is that it hadn't yet occurred at the time Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts and the majority of the New Testament was written. In the book of Acts, the Temple plays a central role in the nation of Israel. Luke writes as if the Temple is an important part of Jewish life. He also ends Acts on a strange note: Paul living under house arrest. It is strange that Luke does not record the death of his two chief characters, Peter and Paul. The most plausible reason for this is that Luke finished writing Acts before Peter and Paul's martyrdom in A.D. 64. A significant point to highlight is that the Gospel of Luke precedes Acts, further supporting the traditional dating of c. A.D. 54 to 60. Most scholars agree Mark precedes Luke, making Mark's Gospel even earlier. Finally, the majority of New Testament scholars believe that Paul's epistles were written from A.D. 48-60. Paul's outline of the life of Jesus matches that of the Gospels. 1st Corinthians is one of the least disputed books regarding its dating and Pauline authorship. In 1st Corinthians chapter 15, Paul summarizes the gospel and reinforces the premise that this is the same gospel preached by the apostles. Paul quotes from Luke's Gospel in 1 Timothy 5:18, showing us that Luke's Gospel was indeed completed in Paul's lifetime. This would move the time of the completion of Luke's Gospel along with Mark and Matthew. This Internal Evidence presents a strong case for the early dating of the Gospels. External Evidence - Gospel Dates: Were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses of the events, or were they not recorded until centuries later? As with the internal evidence, the external evidence also supports a first century date. Fortunately, New Testament scholars have an enormous amount of ancient manuscript evidence, 24,300+. The documentary evidence for the New Testament far surpasses any other work of its time, with over 5,860 Koine Greek manuscripts, many are dated within a few years of their authors' lives. Key documents: Chester Beatty Papyri contains most of the N.T. writings, and is dated around A.D. 250. The Bodmer Papyri contains most of John, and dates to A.D. 200. Rylands Papyri that was found in Egypt and contains large fragments of John, and dates to A.D. 130. From this fragment we can conclude that John was completed well before A.D. 130 because, not only did the gospel have to be written, it had to be hand copied and make its way down from Greece to Egypt. The majority of scholars agree that John is the last gospel written, so we can affirm its first century date along with the other three with greater assurance. Early New Testament Papyrus Manuscripts: Dead Sea Scrolls, the Full Text of Isaiah, especially Isa:53, and a portion of every OT book except Ester, c. 250 BC. Old Testament Greek Septuagint c. 200 BC.
P52 (John Rylands Fragment) - John 18:31-33; 37-38 c. 96 AD P90 (Oxyrhynchus) - John 18:36; 19:7 c. 96 AD P104 (Oxyrhynchus) - Matthew 21:34-37, 43, 45 c. 60-65 AD P46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus) - Romans 5:17-6; 5-14; 8:15-25; 27-35; 10:1-11, 22, 24-33, 35; 16:1-23; 25-27, and Hebrews; 1 & 2; Corinthians; Ephesians; Galatians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 9-10; 2:1-3; 5:5-9, 23-28 c. 50’s-70’s AD P98 (IFAO) - Revelation 1:13; 2:1 c. 90 AD P66 (Bodmer Papyrus) - John 1:1-6,11; 6:35; 14:26; fragment of 14:29; 21:9 c. 100 - 150 AD P67 Matthew 3:9, 15; 5:20-22; 25-28 c. 60-65 AD Evidence also comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls Cave 7. Jose Callahan discovered a large fragment of the Gospel of Mark and dated it to have been written in A.D. 50. Also large fragments of Acts and other epistles and dated them to have been written slightly after A.D. 54 Another line of evidence is the writings of the church fathers: CLEMENT of Rome sent a letter to the Corinthian church in A.D. 95. in which he quoted from the Gospels and other portions of the N.T. IGNATIUS, Bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter before his martyrdom in Rome in A.D. 115, quoting all the Gospels and other N.T. letters. POLYCARP wrote to the Philippians in A.D. 120 and quoted from the Gospels and N.T. letters. JUSTIN MARTYR, A.D. 150 quotes John 3. Church fathers of the early second century were familiar with the apostle's writings and quoted them as inspired Scripture. Early dating is important for two reasons. The closer a historical record is to the date of the event, the more likely the record is accurate. Early dating allows for eyewitnesses to still be alive when the Gospels were circulating to attest to their accuracy. The apostles often appeal to the witness of the hostile crowd, pointing to their knowledge of the facts as well (Acts 2:22, 26:26). Also, the time is too short for legends to develop. Historians agree it takes at least two generations, or eighty+ years, for legendary accounts to establish themselves. From the evidence, we can conclude the Gospels were indeed written by the authors they are attributed to. The First Fully Bound Bible Books/Codices: Codex Vaticanus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 280 - 330 AD Codex Siniaticus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 300 - 350 AD Codex Alexandrius: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 350 - 400 AD Codex Vulgate: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 380 - 400 AD Jesus and the Jews were multilingual: Pilate had a placard prepared in 3 languages and fastened to the cross. It read: 'JESUS Of NAZARETH, THE KING Of THE JEWS'. Many of the Jews read this sign, the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin/Greek, (John 19:19-20). The Gospels were written in Koine Greek being the World's language in the 1st century. The Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek (Septuagint) c.200 BC for the many Greek speaking Jews. It is well known that first-century Jerusalem was inhabited by Greek speaking Jews who were at least bilingual. Jesus Himself was at least trilingual apart from the ability to read minds. The original Gospels, autographs, were written in Koine Greek and sent throughout the then known world.. Jewish culture was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture, and Koine Greek was used not only for international communication but also as the first language of many Jews. This development was furthered by the fact that the largest Jewish community in the world at that time lived in Ptolemaic Alexandria. GOD Protects His Sacred Words: "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed". "As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed". (Galatians 1:8-9). Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matt 24:35). God protects His Word & Gospels and warns of antichrists. (1John2:22). Christ's Good News of Salvation, His Birth, Crucifixion and Resurrection hasn't changed for over 2000 years. The Gospels are evidenced by internal and external historical, archeological & literary facts. The Gospels are reliable and transparent with any variations in translations referenced in the footnotes. The Gospels have 1000 times more manuscripts than the most documented ancient literature, (Greco-Roman historian Suetonius). The Bible is the most comprehensive and reliable source of 1st century Jerusalem history and being used by archaeologists to support research today. Hallelujah ! Num 6:24-26
Great info! I know that took a lot of time to compile, so it is much appreciated. One small correction- you have a paragraph called Early New Testament Manuscripts from the dead sea scrolls, and in it you list Isaiah and several other OLD Testament books. Its probably a typo. I am not aware of any NT books being found in the dead sea caves but you said a portion of Mark was found in cave 7. I will research that further.
@@LukeClemens ..................... The Dead Sea Scrolls is about the traditions and literature of the Gnostic people living near the bank of the Dead Sea. It has nothing to do with Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-10-24
@defenderoftruth3212 well the Dead Sea Scrolls is mostly old Testament stuff and a few things related to governance and such. It does have the full Hebrew text of Isaiah which is pretty cool. I think PastorWithoutaPulpit just typed "new" when he meant "old". I'm not aware of any gnostic writings found at Qumran, which typically came later. I did look up the Callaghan fragment of Mark from cave 7. It's questionable if it's Mark or not... it's almost like it's notes that someone was scribbling while listening to a speech on the topic of that passage in Mark. It's hard to say for sure.
The biggest Islamic scholarship problem with their texts is the unorganized state of the earliest known manuscripts. It's not as if Turkey or Mecca has their version of a Vatican Library or a coordinated system of Islamic Museums that will open their doors and let the scholars of today examine the manuscripts they possess. Archeological trivia: Skeletal remains can often be sexed by the shape of the skull. Evidentially a woman's will result in having a more pronounced and noticeable smile. Hence a person may want to wear protective glasses on a sunny day when talking with Hatun.
Jay! At 1:16:15 you said that John of Damascus’s greatest work was the “Heresy of the Ishmaelites”. Are you forgetting “An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith”, which is still cited and recommended today as the most thorough systematic theology text from the first millennium of Christianity?
I should have said his greatest work concerning the religion which later became known as Islam is the "Heresy of the Ishmaelites", as this will become a much more popular text than his "Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith", which not many people really know about it. Besides, many would differ with you that it is the most thorough systematic text for the 1st millennium, but feel free to disagree.
Love your material Dr. Smith. Have one little correction for you; Leiden University is in the Netherlands ;) And don't try to pronounce de Goeje, you never get it :D OUr G sound is harsh and the J sound like we use it isn't used in any English word (as far as I know).
Yep, I stand corrected...and I think I did apologize for mispronouncing the name already in the video. If not, my apologies again, and I'll just let people read the name instead from here on out.
@@pfanderfilms 😁Indeed you did apologize for mispronouncing. No need for that tho. Dutch names are difficult. You could ask a Dutch person to help you out with that😋Thanks for all the work you have done over the years. It helps a lot.
Could you please tell us about early Muslims who said to be travelled to Ethiopia escaping persecution? Is this story true? What was the date of the travel of those Muslim refugees to Ethiopia?
If Bukhari whittled down 600,000 Hadith to 7000 then you would expect their to be other copies of Hadiths all over the place. It's extremely unlikely he was able to destroy all copies of the 593,000 rejected ones, That would have taken a truly massive coordinated effort by the entire Muslim world. Their would likely have to be other manuscripts of Hadiths apart from the ones he researched if he found that many.
@@dqschannel If all 600,000 Hadiths that Bukhari whittled down to 7000 came from oral tradition and we no longer have the 593,000 he rejected that means oral tradition is totally useless for preserving anything from history.
@@chrishoff402 ................... It's like how the New Testament was being compiled. All the materials were being put on the table. But only four were selected. Many were rejected. What are these four? 1). The 4 make-believe gospels 2). The dream of John labeled as the book of Revelations 3). The book of Acts depicting the ridiculous and fictional adventure of Paul. 4). The 15 letters of Paul. -09-10-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 The thing is, within those 4 Gospels themselves is a written warning about false teaching and false religion attempting to pass itself off for Christianity, combined with a method to test for it. So the compilers of the books that became the NT had a logically consistent method for determining what went in and what stayed out. Paul, before he had his roadside conversion was one of the very top Jewish scholars, and everything he said and did was consistent with the OT as well as the Gospels. Then you have the writing of anti-Christian pagans to corroborate that the early church existed along with the events depicted.
@@defenderoftruth3212 the gospel is all consistent with the prophecy of the prophets of the Old Testament.. and there are archeological evidences to prove the Bible .. all your defense are baseless.. Jesus has more than 1000 eyes witnesses .. Mohammed has none , Mohammed flew in a donkey , donkey was the witness .. Islam is fake
Leiden ist not in Germany, it is in the Netherlands and the scholar is obiviously dutch. I don't know whether he considered himself to be German, which is possible in the 18th century. The national division between dutch and Germans occured rather late. The dutch national anthem from the 16th century states that Wilhelm of Orany is of "Duytschem blot", i.e. of German blod.
Halleluia ... Hope the resarch exposed are being scrutinized ... Verified by open minded muslim scholars ... We pray, I am a Catholic Christian ... That there will be a most peaceful transformation ... To the envy if the satanic world. Keep praying ... Ave Maria ...
@Jay Smith, @Hatun Tash ruclips.net/video/NNPmY7XDIXo/видео.htmlsi=KWOif5eAuAVyxopZ This is a scholary talk about the early manuscripts. And it said, that the carbonated date is not enough to date the early manuscripts.
Thanks again for your great research,to both of you. With help of the internet, this can reach the hallowed halls of higher learning,which seem to have been infuenced by leftist islamist thinking.of late.
In my discussions with Muslims over the years, they generally don't rely on any biography, whoever actually wrote it. They consider it a somewhat helpful context but of mixed reliability.
58:00 ... If the manuscripts are destroyed ... Without any clue ... How can one recover it ... ?? And nobody is bound to produce it ... Nor accept conclusively that they are lost !!! It is sad ... But need the people to help themselves from the tragic description .... Hosanna ...
The Birmingham pages, 2 front and back, are simply parts 1/10 of popular stories which were known for centuries before Islam. Islam copied these stories into the Koran.
@@defenderoftruth3212 no. The Koran writers took those 3 stories, as Dr. Jay says, from a 531AD story about the 7 Sleepers of Ephesus, a 600AD story about Mary and the story of Moses known since about 1400BC.
@@karenthompson1337 ..................... 1). There is no story in the Qur'an about the 7 sleepers. 2). Mary's story in the Qur'an is totally different from the Bible. In the Qur'an, she is a virgin. In the Bible, she is already espoused to Joseph. Hence, not virgin anymore. In the Qur'an, Angel Jibreel breathed unto her the 'spirit' which impregnated her. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit went above her while the Most High overshadowed her which caused her to impregnate. 3). Moses's story in the Qur'an is totally different from the Bible. In the Qur'an, it's Moses who performed the magic. In the Bible, it's Aaron. But the truth of the matter is that these are passed-on stories. All the previous Scriptures were sent by Allah SWT to his prophets. It's the passed-on stories from one prophet to another. What had been told or conveyed to one prophet before were also being told to another prophet, then to another prophet, and so on. What had been told to Moses were also being to Prophet jESUs pbuh. What had been to Prophet jESUs pbuh were also being told to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. All Scriptures came from the same source. One source, one author conveying the 'message' of Islam. Hence, there is no such thing as copying of stories. It all came from the same Islamic source. But the Qur'an corrects all the corruptions made on the previous Scriptures. Q. 41:43. Nothing is said to you, [O Muhammad], except what was already said to the messengers before you. Indeed, your Lord is a possessor of forgiveness and a possessor of painful penalty. -09-10-24
I can hardly believe that all those learned scholars in Medina haven't bothered to check their own sources. I guess they know about this but dare not publicize it. That's why Islam is not true. It's a house of cards based on lies and deceit.
The thing I like about Jay is he does not come across as a raving Zionist lunatic like many others such a Christian Prince, David Wood and the Apostate prophet, he is a academic and it shows
@Jay Smith you are more than welcome to do the critical analysis of Ved and Ramayan and Mahabharata. We already have done it and many valid/scientific evidences exist for their dating. You are encouraged to read the works of Nilesh Oak, Dr Raj Vedam, Dr Neeraj Rai etc and if possible have a debate with them.
I don’t understand why people are keep running away from the LOVE AND TRUTH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD and try to defend FABRICATED LIES! Religious politics shouldn’t mislead people to separate themselves from the LOVE AND TRUTH GOD! Hell is a serious matter! We shouldn’t end up in it because of lies of religious politics!
@ishtarlew598 ....................... It's just a matter of labeling the Qur'an. Whoever Hafs was, and whoever Warsh was, they no have to authority to claim authorship of the Qur'an, or any person for that matter. -09-10-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 So, just as Christians have different versions of the Bible that are essentially the same, Moslems have dozens of different versions of the Quran, that are essentially the same. Just, Moslems can’t say or prove that one version of the Quran is identical to the Quran Allah has, word for word, letter for letter. I was going to say dot for dot, but the Uthman Quran didn’t have diacriticals.
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Hatum makes me happy to see. She is excellent.
She was not happy with just one arabic quran, so she went shopping and found around 26 to 30 orginal different arabic qurans. A muslim that reads is a muslim no more.
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Uthman had multiple Quran that he burnt and left one and the funny thing is he clearly got scholars from around the Islamic world too edit it and rewrite it clearly taking verses out places others in changing scripture corrupting it why would a man burn the other books because he knew in translation it’s corrupting the word of god he was hiding something supposedly when an Arabic Quran is translated too English we know that certain words don’t translate well so people use alternative solutions too solve it hence corrupting and change the Quran there’s more than 30 all in Arabic from early sources that are all changed and all they go on is truth of word that it’s never being changed but as human being we lie deceive we not perfect lol the Muslims are hypocrites and brain dead
Pray for my family in Egypt 🇪🇬 that they come to know this truth and come to Jesus 😢🙏🏻
@casta9172 .................
Don't drag them to go with you into the wrong track. They are now in the right track of life. -09-08-24
Amen. May the light of the gospel dispel the darkness of the veil.
In Jesus's name Amen.
May the Spirit of the LORD change their hearts, bring them to salvation, and make them shine for Christ.
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No biography? Then no prophet. No prophet? No revelation! No revelation? No Islam. It all collapses if there is NO BIOGRAPHY.
No biography about muhmd. Then no prophet. No Revelation. No Islam. It all collapses if there's no biography. No eyewitness. No evidence of muhmd in Mecca. No artifacts nor coins in the region. No trade routes in Mecca. Nothing evidenced before the 6th century.
There is a biography. It was initially orally spread and later codified.
Jay is lying to you
@@hashman4090proof?
@mr.angelosonassis3069 ...................
No book. Only biographies. Four biographies but full of HOLES. Technically, no foundation. Christianity collapsed since its inception. -09-08-24
It's almost like Islam was made up. Nah, that couldn't be it.
The rabbit hole goes deeper. What a cult of lies.
Not just holes ... It was cooked up ... To benefit the political and expansionist needs of Persian rulers ... Keep praying ...
@@tinyad7180 ......................
It's not like Christianity that was invented by the Romans for their political and expansionist occupation. I'll keep on praying that you'll be awaken to the truth. -09-08-24
Watching with anticipation. 🙏👍
God bless you Mel, keep up the great work.
WOW! This is very interesting. Christian and non-Christian scholars are going back into history and are arriving in 7th century Southwest Arabia - the place where the “Islamic Mohammed” supposedly lived his entire life - in the Hejaz (Mecca/Medina Region). They are inviting Muslims to come along and to join them in the search for:
(1) Mecca - the oldest city in human existence (The home of Islamic 90 feet tall Adam and Eve)
(2) Mohammed - the best moral example for all of mankind
(3) Quran - the eternally un-changed and un-created book that was hand-written by Allah before creation
(4) And (of course) the remains of Aisha’s goat.
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So far, these researchers, academics, and investigators have found no sign of a city called “Mecca” in the 7th century A.D., and no sign of a book called “Quran”. However, they have found plenty of sings of other Mohammeds elsewhere in Syria, Jorden, and further North - some of these Mohammeds predate Islam as far back as 1200 B.C. and other Mohammeds whose images are on coins that bear crosses.
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Please note: The word “Mohammed” is not a personal name belonging to one (particular) person in antiquity (or history). But rather, the word “Mohammed” is a title attributed to one (or anyone) who is worthy of praise - anyone who is more desirable.
I am unclear on one thing you said. Allah created the koran? I thought the koran ALWAYS EXISTED? Which one is it?
@@jdschauss Confusion and Illusion ... Whichever you find tolerable ... Bear it ... For the expediency of the moment ... Beware eternity awaits for you ...
Mecca who Al-Lah choosed as his Holly city turn out to be the lowest level city in the region where water find it's ways to it 🤪🤣
It is great to see Hatun and Jay back in action together. This video deserves to be shared widely.
@IslamicOrigins .......................
This video is full of evasiveness. Evading to show the debunking by Farid of their false claim. Afraid that their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212You are the one who is evading the truth again. Your Mecca is a fake corrupted inferior copy of Jerusalem. Your Qur'ans only have the title of mhmd 3-4 times in the true script. The other titles of Jesus are much more frequent.
Worse than that according to the present text of Qur'ans 4:65 you have to agree 100% with every judgement of Muhammad or you're not even a real Muslim, and all the judgements of Muhammad in the hadiths contradict one another, so guessing correctly what you are supposed to follow 100% is totally impossible.
Even according to your Qur'ans and traditions Muslims have been going to hell for over a thousand years.
Sincerely hope and pray that multiple people in different countries convey to the people in their areas in their own language. It is very very important.
He is not ignorantly quoting literature he is quoting only those approved by Islamic scholars
imagine the impact when these informations explode to muslim community.
POWERFUL GOAT🗞🐐🐏💩allah
Won't make a difference. De-nial isn't just a river in Egypt 😉
I’ll do my best to explain these lies to them!! 🏴🙏🏼🇬🇧✝️ Without lies, i$lam dies!!
Pray for the muslims that God will open their hearts and that we Christian’s continue to spread The Word
Fact is Fact. If you refuse to see the facts, you are fooling yourself.
Michael Jan de Goeje (August 13, 1836 - May 17, 1909) was a Dutch orientalist focusing on Arabia and Islam.
Pietermartzburg 🇿🇦kzn South 🇮🇱Africa There is a lot of documented facts about moHARAMed that is NOT widely known.
Thanks Jay + LIONESS OF LONDON HATUN .
The traditional history of Islam is in direct conflict with the written history and archeology of every other kingdom and empire during the supposed lifetime of Mohammed. Mecca didn't exist at the time Mohammed was supposedly alive. The earliest archeological find from Mecca is a shoe from around the 1200s AD. The 500s AD is very late. We have written documents from BC. If Mohammed really lived, there should be some historical and archeological evidence for him from his own time.
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Hey Good Morning, God bless you both!! Always love both your content!
Halleluia ... I happened to stumble on Dr. Jay Smith ... a few weeks back ... I follow the various video clips ... Enthusiastically ... Being a Catholic I respect the great research painstakingly explored ... for the benefit of millions of our friends in the Muslim world ... God bless ... I hope to share the matter gradually ...to the like-minded ... No hurry ... No hate speech ... Truth shall make us free ... We do not want to live in deception ... The lie is being exposed .... The man Mhmd, the place Mecca, the book Quran ... are all cooked to satisfy the political ... Expansionist needs of the 7th century ... Sure the open minded muslims will open their minds to the presentations available ... The compilation if presented ... In the Google ... for online reading FREE ... Can be offered to the public .... Our prayers are the most indispensable to lead the deliberations ... most peacefully ... for saving the millions ...
When is Jay going to make a discovery series about all this? He's good on camera and would make an excellent presenter.
Watch more of his videos where he has unpacked it all.
@@Ola_Means_Wealth_Not_Hello I'm talking about a wider audience.Not everybody watches youtube.
Jay not only made many videos infront of cameras, he had confronted invited religious leaders, debate muslims scholars, made public conferences around the world, challenges in speaker corners...for many years now.
I ❤ you guys and the great work you're doing!🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
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Viva Dr Jay + Hatun
Bravo Bokke.
Pietermartzburg 🇿🇦kzn South🇮🇱 Africa 💕
Good work
This has been a very, very informative episode 👍
Well done!
@FalconManBoy .................
This is full of evasiveness. Evading from showing the debunking by Farid. Afraid that all their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Jay always tells the truth
@@defenderoftruth3212 It informed me that Farid is either a liar or ignorant of his own library..
@@martinjackman2943 ...................
Jay Smith has been spreading these lies for 40 years already. That's why he evaded to show the full debunking of Farid. Otherwise, his lies will totally be exposed. -09-10-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Except they are not lies... just proof that 1z1am is false.
This Video for me is One of the Most Important Videos minimum in the Last Two years !! Thank you both so much !!
Fabulous work.
Another point of manuscript preservation, Islam supposedly began in a giant desert, where preservation is very easy, and that land had never been invaded by any enemy since; they never once had an opponent burn any of their books.
Yes! The nag hammadi documents. much earlier and well preserved.
😊 true!
Also Jay, we don’t have the same problem as Muslims because Christians reject the later Gnostic gospels. So we have every right to call out the false teaching of Islam.
When the Jewish Archaeology of King David's City in Israel dates back to around 2,000 BC and Christian Archaeology in Israel has found St Peters home on the banks of the Sea of Galilee and even 2,024 year old Archaeological evidence of Jesus Christ's home at Capernaum, again on the banks of Sea of Galilee.
But Islam has *NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF IT'S CLAIMS* and it's a good bit younger than the Jewish and Christian Archaeology in a very different environment than Israel and the wars and battles that have plagued that area! 🤔🤔.... Something doesn't add up!!
@@akkat8396 ........................
The Dead Sea Scrolls were written by the Gnostic people that lived near the bank of the Dead Sea. Hence, it is a Gnostic scrolls. You seem to be putting yourself in great dilemma. -09-08-24
God bless you and keep you safe🙏 this is amazing, nobody have don it before you because they have been too afraid. But you are fearless and its incredible to be witnessing your absolut decemation of Islam 🙏
HH-xw4hr ..........................
Islam cannot be decimated. It will be there to stay here and in the Hereafter forever. For it is the only religion of God since the inception of the Universe up to its destruction. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 hahah havent i told you you need to go to the mental hospital? Habibi you are not right in the head! Al lah is under my foot, and Momo is in jahannam. The light is stronger than the darkness. SAHIH MUSLIM 146. not my words, but your third most important book!!
I pray for you brother in humanity!
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satan and paul bless you
@@HH-xw4hr ...................
Yes. What you don't know is that Islam predates the existence of mankind. It is already the religion of the angels in the heavens. When Adam was created, it is the same religion hat he brought down when he landed at Mecca, and settled with Eve there. It is this same religion that he passed on to their offspring, from generation to generation. And being the only religion of God, it will be there to stay till the Hereafter. -09-10-24
Great job dr. Jay! Thanks a bundle!
I love Hatun. She is smart and courageous. She is a true daughter of GOD and ABRAHAM .
Abraham has less to do with Paul than Satan.
@samuelmatz ...................
When I saw Hatun, I saw Joker in her. Lady Joker indeed! -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212Defender of Poop.
66-66-66
@@irishheritage893
Defender is a sad soul. Pray for him.
@@akkat8396 .....................
Can you trust this Lady Joker who claimed that she was able to find by herself 93,000 differences in the 30 Qur'ans? How did she do it? When Bart Ehrman looked for the differences in the 4 make-gospels only, it took him a long time. He had to do a parallel system of comparison between the 4 make-believe gospels. But for the Lady Joker, it was easy for her as if she was just like counting stars up in the sky. Joker indeed! -09-09-24
This was a great discussion!!!
Nice to see you Hatun!
@_random_dude ...............
The Lady Joker.
Then why are u crying @@defenderoftruth3212
@@emilemil7826 ...............
I'm just happy that I saw the smile of Joker in her. -09-10-24
👍 absolutely ...hammering the points ...❤
1:28:01 - 1:29:23 the Clincher and the invitation to leaderless people!😂😂😂 thanks guys for concluding this with that re-affirmation our Lord and Saviour's Sovereignty and Lordship!!!❤ 👏 👏 👏 👏
@thexposer5389 ...................
Prophet jESUs pbuh will not even give a blink to anyone who defies his teachings. -09-08-24
AMEN AND AMEN
Not surprised. It would be great to see this info become more widespread among Muslims.
@brettpinion4233 ..................
What would you expect when this info becomes more widespread among Muslims? We are not that too shallow-minded who can easily be deceived. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212Lol, wut?
nice, a mice teachs eagle how to fly
Thanks. Great material
Please can you release theses talks on podcast as it would help spread the message and far more convenient. Keep up the great work and God bless.
You are talking about Michael Jan de Goeje as compiler of the current edition of Al Tabari. Just a small correction, he was a Dutch scholar, at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, not in Germany
And thanks for your thorough investigation in Islam, it’s really helpful
Yes, as I have been told countless times now. I stand corrected and have corrected my PowerPoint, so that I won't make that mistake again. 😥
Correction! Leiden is in the Netherlands, not in Germany. I live there. In the Netherlands. Jan de Goeje sounds Dutch to me!
Yep, you are correct, and I stand corrected...thanks!
No problem dr. Jay.
@@pauljansentextor1788lx ................
Prof. Marijn Van Putten who wrote the book 'The Qur'an Dates Back To Muhammad" is a professor at the University of Leiden. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212"Dr. Keith L. Moore says sperm come from backbone and baby is blood clot."
- Defender of Poop
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@@pfanderfilms ha ha Farid made a new video debunking you ha ha 🫵🏿
Jays hair so beautiful. Hope i will get same hair when I get old😊
Hatun is glowing!!! I love her so much she’s so beautiful
Most excellent 🎉! Glory to God!!!
This is EXCELLENT!!!!!!
I do not know whether it is important from a source point of view or not, but if I remember well the Abbasid Caliphate was still extant in the early 16th century but under the Mamluk Sultanate of Cairo.
Thanks !
Jay, you are the present day 'Paul'. I have no words to thank you and appreciate what you have done all throughout your life.
@lishanmulugeta4589 .................
If Jay Smith is the present-day Paul, I'm afraid he would meet the same fate like Paul who was incarcerated first by the King of Rome and then slaughtered at the public plaza. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 You speak like martyrdom of the genuine sort is bad ( not attacks on people, in which one deceases, that's a very incorrect islamic alteration of the idea). Maybe you dont know heaven is like 1000s of times more awesome than here, and also as a martyr one receives a special crown and status. Actually a lot of those 1C top saints could avoid it, but then it would be unfair on people of weaker faith, persecuted by the Romans. Compare Paul with Mohammed though, Mohammed in the hadiths lost his life due to a Jewess seeking revenge because of his cruelties, Allah did not protect him, misguided him to take the toxic lamb, and demonstrated by refusal of his prayers for healing, that he was false.
@@collybever ........................
What you don't know is that Prophet Muhammad pbuh lived for four more years after that 'poisoning incident'. What you don't know is that Angel Jibreel had alerted him, hence he was not able to eat that 'toxic' meat. Could you last a day if you're poisoned? -09-09-24
@@collybever .....................
Prophet Muhammad pbuh had still lived for four more years after that 'poisoning incident'. Now, it's up to you to think if whether or not he was able to eat that 'toxic meat', whether or not he was saved by Allah SWT.. But if you were to assess, could a person last that long if he is really being poisoned? -09-10- 24
@@defenderoftruth3212 the issues is that you people are so blinded , see Saudi Arabia knows the truth , Mecca never exited till 743AD , how come Mohammed was there in 6AD ? Mohammed is false .. listen and learn , so you can unlearn what you have been brainwashed with
I can hear you loud and clear so far
She is a hero for civilization! She is showing the real history, please everyone share this video with family and friends
Hatun - why were you gone for some time? ❤ I was sure, that you had gone to be with the Lord. ❤❤ But I am so happy to know and see, that you are still here.
Thank you for you all you do 🙏👏❤️🔥👑🔥
She has her own channel dcci ministries
@@HH-xw4hr .........................
The Lady Joker.
@@defenderoftruth3212 habibi im not joking, you should seek a physician. You keep manifesting everyday. You are not even muslim. You think islam is what you want it to be. You HAVE to seek help brother in humanity. No person who supports child grape have noor in them.
Praise the Lord she is ok. Our Lord sustains and protects her from every harm and danger!!
paul, jay and hatun have the same role, to spread the satan messages, worshipping idols
Hatun & Jay present new information on the Muhammad of Islam.
It is so strange that they say 'peace be upon him' all the time.
Does their prophet not have enough peace without them saying this?
Does stating it over again get him extra piece?
Such a weird thing to do.
They don't say that in Arabic. When the Arabic is translated into English it's somewhat embarrassing, so they put the "peace be upon him" phrase instead. Salla allah 3alayhi wa sallam means "prayer of allah upon him (Muhammad) and deliver him". This is problematic because the lesser prays to the superior. It doesn't say Allah prays "to" Muhammad (or "for" Muhammad, as Muhammad Hijab said), but prays "upon" Muhammad. But the simple fact that Allah, who is supposed to be above everyone, prays, is problematic because he shouldn't be praying if he's above everyone. Everyone should be praying to him. So to avoid the problem they just say "peace be upon him".
Jay said once, "Hatun is a tigress!"
He is right. She is one if a kind, amazing.
Thank you, Hatun. We notice what you did, and we love you!
We thank God for leading Jay Smith and Htun Tash ... from 1992 ... Morocco .. onwards ... the six quran copies ... Noted ... Did not sideline ... But pursued .... The humble servants .. boldly facing the issue at stake ... We keep praying ... Ave Maria ...
The sound & voice is clear. Thanks
27:55 ... Solid passionate ... Research in Germany ...
Leiden is in the Netherlands as is the university of Leiden.
Yep, you are correct, and I stand corrected...thanks!
And wiki sais its "Michael Jan de Goeje" not "Geoje"
God bless the best batman and catgirl duo of Christianity, Hatun and Dr. Jay. May the Lord bless and protect you both!
Thank you Hatun and Dr.Jay for your work in this field.
How much would I have to hate these people to not tell them the truth?
Dear Muslims and followers of Islamic doctrine,
Answer these findings if you can:
It's not possible for you to provide the evidence for your 30+ different qurans as we can for His Word, the Bible. Many will make the claim that we have many different translations of the Bible. They do this without understanding that in those different translations there are no changes to any point of doctrine minor or major. Those Bible translations were developed so all could understand His Word. They were created so all could understand in their native languages. In all those translations nothing of His Word is changed to alter any of it's doctrine.
His Word is as constant and unchanging as He is, (Mal 3:6, Rom 11:29 &more).
That is nothing like the 30+ different qurans that alter many points of doctrine both minor and major, some 93,000+ differences have been found to date, more are still being discovered.
(Isaiah 46:10) states about the living LORD God:
"Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure".
There are literally hundreds of fulfilled prophecies throughout Scripture that testify to these absolute truths.
Critical scholarship in recent years is exposing more and more of the falsehoods and lies of S.I.N., (Standard Islamic Narrative), their phrase not mine, under scrutiny it is all falling apart.
There is no proof of any scribes who wrote down anything the so called prophet is claimed to have said or did anywhere near his supposed lifetime as claimed.
That's the reason we are told it was all "perfectly preserved" by word of mouth for centuries.
Which somehow word of mouth is just fine for the followers of islam but not for any other religion, especially Judaism and Christianity.
Thank the Lord we don't have to rely on word of mouth, we have the writings of those inspired via the Holy Spirit to record His proven Word, (Sam 2 22:31, Psa 18:30, Psa 119:160 and more). There's an abundance of writings, (manuscript evidences), some of which have been dated to 700BC for the Old Testament and from 65AD to 120AD for the New Testament. These manuscripts of the New Testament where written within years or decades of the life of Christ not centuries later as those of the quran and their so called prophet. We have our recorded Scripture from the correct places and time periods that have been shown to be historically accurate. Where as they can produce nothing until centuries after their supposed prophet's lifetime. Yet they claim that God's Word, the Bible, was somehow corrupted even though we can provide the evidence to prove that never happened. Our Bibles today are a very close match to extant manuscript evidences of which there are some 66,600+ from the correct times and places. The ongoing Qumran Cave discoveries that began in the late 1940's prove that it has not been altered or corrupted. In those discoveries was an almost intact Isaiah Scroll dated to the correct time period and our modern Bibles are very close to an exact match to what was written in it. Other than spelling and other minor differences that effect no doctrine or His Word in any way. There were also many other Books as related to our modern Bibles and many from the New Testament as well.
They make the claim about the quran that these things happened in the 7th century AD and yet they can produce no evidence from that time period or even close, there's simply nothing. What they have is mainly from the 9th thru 15th centuries or later, which is centuries after their prophet is claimed to have lived. He is said to have died in 632AD and yet again they can produce nothing from that time period. We must challenge them to provide the evidence for their faith in the same way they challenged ours as we've more than answered that challenge. We must do this to bring them to the light of truth which is something all peoples should want to know. All should want to have certainty that they do in fact have God's Word and are not being deceived by the imaginations of men.
Remember that projection is the tool of liars as they try to divert people from the truth. That is why when challenged the followers of islam always divert and attack our faith as they're trained to do. If you haven't noticed they never give straight answers to our questions but are always on the attack even though those attacks have already been proven to be false many times.
It takes as little as two generations for myths to become established as reality when there are no written records of what really happened.
Mecca didn't exist when claimed, it was not the first city on earth where Adam and Eve are said, (as falsely claimed in the 30+ different qurans), to have come down when the LORD cast them out of Eden.
Their being said to have come down is another huge issue as we know the Garden of Eden was on earth, the LORD's creation, not in heaven as they also falsely claim.
Abraham nor any other true prophets ever lived in Mecca and they aren't buried there as is falsely claimed in multiple qurans.
The mountains Hagar journeyed between in her search of water for her son are in Jerusalem where the Angel of the Lord spoke to her and not anywhere near the location of Mecca.
If you read their different qurans you will quickly notice how they took Biblical stories and twisted them getting so many things wrong, most are not even close to being historically accurate.
You will also find much of it is pulled from the Apocryphal writings that are not Scripture and never were because they contain far to many falsehoods and errors including not being written by who they claim.
There are many more false claims than this in their 30+ different Qurans none of which are historically accurate as is His Word, when and where His Word overlaps with history.
Mecca was not a major city or village of note as claimed at those times. It simply can't be found in any historical documents such as trade or official records of which there are many.
There were many cities and villages in that time around the location of Mecca and yet there's no mention of Mecca at all in any of the records from those places.
Below is more truth that may be painful to read for some but that doesn't change it.
One of the most loving things we can do is speak His Truth, calling out evil as commanded by Him, (Eph 5:11).
An absolute evil we see today is the false religion of Islam and all it produces, not the people they are lost and truly deceived by their teachers/leaders. It's a death cult supposedly founded in the 7th century AD, which wasn't written about until the 9th thru 11th. More than 200-600+ years separate the lifetime of the so called prophet of the early 7th century and the first written records. Islam means "submission" or "submit", willingly or by force. Based on a supposed prophet who can't even be proven to have existed as nothing claimed is accurate when checked against historical records. Many don't realize the word "alah" simply means a god that has no name, a supposed god who condones the warlike greed and lusts of the men who created it. Devout followers have no desire to assimilate into the nations they invade, it is not truly flight or immigration, but a false religions command to force all into submission, enslavement or death. Examples of what Islam produces are throughout history: Jihads, Invasions, 911, Oct 7, HAMAS and Islamic terrorist groups, killings of helpless captives, slave trade, training their children to kill. Using children's toys to represent all who don't adhere to Islamic doctrine, especially Jews and Christians. Look at the nations that Islam controls we have the records of the ongoing genocides. Any religion other than Islam is being all but wiped out, especially those based on the true and living LORD God of Israel, the Bible. It can't be denied that this is happening in every place they hold a majority or rule. Saying or promoting that Islam is a religion of peace is an absolute lie, one their 30+ different qurans tell them to spread until they can seize power, it's a false religion spread by the sword/force. The very idea that Islam/Muslims are a religion of peace is absurd when you read their own writings. It's a lie sweeping ours and other western nations that is parroted by the young who've never been exposed to Islamic doctrine, (even by the RCC and it's current pope though he/they should know better with his calling for unity of all religions, something islam will never allow). The vast majority of the young have no idea what they're supporting or saying, (2 Pet 2:10, 12). If they were ever to be under Islamic rule many would be killed on sight, others taxed, enslaved, tortured or worse and none of them would be enjoying the freedoms they have today.
The place is false.
The man is false.
The book is false.
In total it's all false, nothing more than the S.I.N. narrative a name they themselves gave to this evil false religion of the enemy.
It came from the imaginations, (driven by something), of the greedy, warlike, lustful, men who created it.
All because they needed a place, a man and a book, their own antitrinitarian religion.
What do you call a three legged stool with no legs?
Useless for it's intended purpose.
Come home to Christ Jesus where you will know with absolute certainty where you will spend your eternity, in the infinite perfect love of our infinite perfect creator, the LORD God of all creation, the giver of eternal life and truth, Christ Jesus the Lord of lords and King of kings, the only Way.
I thank all who read this wall of text and my challenge to islam stands, prove your faith as we have ours.
Num 6:24-26
I know it's strange to reply to myself with this comment and the reason I did is to add why've added this wall of text.
Many who follow islam will come to this video teaching to just comment not watching and hearing the truth revealed in it.
My prayer and hope is that some will read this wall of text and be exposed to years of research into what Hatun and Dr.Jay point out in this presentation.
Num 6:24-26 for you, yours and all those around you...
@@PreacherwithoutaPulpit .....................
This video is full of evasiveness. Evading to show the debunking by Farid of their false claim. Afraid that their lies will be exposed. -09-08-24
It feels good to see Hatun welcomed back
So happy to see sister Hatun after so long.
good work jay ❤
It is time for Muslims of today to finally come away from the controlled herd mentality
.... if not for their own sakes .... at least for the sake of their childrens' eternal souls.
When a parent truly loves and cares for their child, they will want the best for them.
ONLY through Jesus Christ can one be allowed entry into Heaven - do NOT delay.
Amen!!!!
@restawhileyall1781 ..................
May Prophet jESUs pbuh guide you to his God Allah SWT. -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212
You are blind my friend - your fake 'issa/jesus' guides people only to the one from below.
Put ignorance aside and save your soul while you can - search for the TRUE Jesus.
AMEN
@@restawhileyall1781 .......................
Put your ignorance aside and save your soul while you can - search for the THE ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD. -09-10-24
Indeed. I just know this too. Praise Lord and welcome back sister.
Thank you Hatun and Dr.Jay for this important work and excellent video presentation of truth.
Below are Scriptural proofs that I've compiled over the years:
The NT Gospels - Evidence of Author's & Dates Written:
Matthew - A tax collector who became Jesus' apostle and wrote about the life of Jesus as the Messiah of the Jewish community c. 54 to 60 AD.
Mark - A Jew, and a companion of Peter and Paul, who wrote for both Jews and Gentiles about Christ's death and resurrection c. 46 to 54 AD.
Luke - A Gentile doctor, a companion of Peter and Paul who wrote for the Gentiles about Christ the Savior of mankind. c. 54 to 60 AD.
Luke - also wrote the Acts of the Apostles c. 60 AD.
John - The 'beloved' apostle of Jesus, wrote in his later years about the Word who took on Flesh (John 1:1,14) c. 80-90 AD.
John - also wrote 3 Letters and The Book of Revelations c. 80-95 AD.
James - Jesus' half-brother, wrote 1 letter c. 35 AD.
Paul - wrote 13 letters c.49 - 65 AD.
Jude - wrote 1 letter c. 65 AD.
Peter - wrote 2 letters c. 67 AD.
The author of Hebrews is unknown c. 65 AD.
Jesus Christ's' ministry began between the dates of 27-30AD and with 30-33AD for His Crucifixion, well attested facts.
Christianity began after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ when thousands of Jews became followers of the 'Way', (Jesus).
The New Testament scholar, F.F. Bruce, gives strong historical evidence that the New Testament was completed by A.D. 100.
The apostles and their companions wrote the New Testament from their first-hand experiences with Jesus the Christ, (Messiah).
New Testament integrity is supported by historians, biblical and textual scholars, along with thousands of early codices, manuscripts and the Dead Sea Scrolls, proving the validity and preservation of the Gospels written between c. 35-90 A.D
(Eusebius, Church History 111. 39 .15; Irenaeus Against Heresies, 111.1)
Internal Evidence:
The internal evidence supports these early dates for several reasons. The first three Gospels prophesied the fall of the Jerusalem Temple which occurred in A.D. 70. However, the fulfillment is not mentioned in them. It is strange that these three Gospels predict this major event but don't record it happening. Why didn't they mention such an important prophetic milestone? The most plausible explanation is that it hadn't yet occurred at the time Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts and the majority of the New Testament was written.
In the book of Acts, the Temple plays a central role in the nation of Israel. Luke writes as if the Temple is an important part of Jewish life. He also ends Acts on a strange note: Paul living under house arrest. It is strange that Luke does not record the death of his two chief characters, Peter and Paul. The most plausible reason for this is that Luke finished writing Acts before Peter and Paul's martyrdom in A.D. 64. A significant point to highlight is that the Gospel of Luke precedes Acts, further supporting the traditional dating of c. A.D. 54 to 60.
Most scholars agree Mark precedes Luke, making Mark's Gospel even earlier.
Finally, the majority of New Testament scholars believe that Paul's epistles were written from A.D. 48-60. Paul's outline of the life of Jesus matches that of the Gospels.
1st Corinthians is one of the least disputed books regarding its dating and Pauline authorship.
In 1st Corinthians chapter 15, Paul summarizes the gospel and reinforces the premise that this is the same gospel preached by the apostles.
Paul quotes from Luke's Gospel in 1 Timothy 5:18, showing us that Luke's Gospel was indeed completed in Paul's lifetime. This would move the time of the completion of Luke's Gospel along with Mark and Matthew.
This Internal Evidence presents a strong case for the early dating of the Gospels.
External Evidence - Gospel Dates:
Were the Gospels written by eyewitnesses of the events, or were they not recorded until centuries later?
As with the internal evidence, the external evidence also supports a first century date.
Fortunately, New Testament scholars have an enormous amount of ancient manuscript evidence, 24,300+. The documentary evidence for the New Testament far surpasses any other work of its time, with over 5,860 Koine Greek manuscripts, many are dated within a few years of their authors' lives.
Key documents:
Chester Beatty Papyri contains most of the N.T. writings, and is dated around A.D. 250.
The Bodmer Papyri contains most of John, and dates to A.D. 200.
Rylands Papyri that was found in Egypt and contains large fragments of John, and dates to A.D. 130.
From this fragment we can conclude that John was completed well before A.D. 130 because, not only did the gospel have to be written, it had to be hand copied and make its way down from Greece to Egypt. The majority of scholars agree that John is the last gospel written, so we can affirm its first century date along with the other three with greater assurance.
Early New Testament Papyrus Manuscripts:
Dead Sea Scrolls, the Full Text of Isaiah, especially Isa:53, and a portion of every OT book except Ester, c. 250 BC.
Old Testament Greek Septuagint c. 200 BC.
P52 (John Rylands Fragment) - John 18:31-33; 37-38 c. 96 AD
P90 (Oxyrhynchus) - John 18:36; 19:7 c. 96 AD
P104 (Oxyrhynchus) - Matthew 21:34-37, 43, 45 c. 60-65 AD
P46 (Chester Beatty Papyrus) - Romans 5:17-6; 5-14; 8:15-25; 27-35; 10:1-11, 22, 24-33, 35; 16:1-23; 25-27, and Hebrews; 1 & 2; Corinthians; Ephesians; Galatians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 Thessalonians 1:1, 9-10; 2:1-3; 5:5-9, 23-28 c. 50’s-70’s AD
P98 (IFAO) - Revelation 1:13; 2:1 c. 90 AD
P66 (Bodmer Papyrus) - John 1:1-6,11; 6:35; 14:26; fragment of 14:29; 21:9 c. 100 - 150 AD
P67 Matthew 3:9, 15; 5:20-22; 25-28 c. 60-65 AD
Evidence also comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls Cave 7.
Jose Callahan discovered a large fragment of the Gospel of Mark and dated it to have been written in A.D. 50. Also large fragments of Acts and other epistles and dated them to have been written slightly after A.D. 54
Another line of evidence is the writings of the church fathers:
CLEMENT of Rome sent a letter to the Corinthian church in A.D. 95. in which he quoted from the Gospels and other portions of the N.T.
IGNATIUS, Bishop of Antioch, wrote a letter before his martyrdom in Rome in A.D. 115, quoting all the Gospels and other N.T. letters.
POLYCARP wrote to the Philippians in A.D. 120 and quoted from the Gospels and N.T. letters.
JUSTIN MARTYR, A.D. 150 quotes John 3.
Church fathers of the early second century were familiar with the apostle's writings and quoted them as inspired Scripture.
Early dating is important for two reasons. The closer a historical record is to the date of the event, the more likely the record is accurate. Early dating allows for eyewitnesses to still be alive when the Gospels were circulating to attest to their accuracy.
The apostles often appeal to the witness of the hostile crowd, pointing to their knowledge of the facts as well (Acts 2:22, 26:26).
Also, the time is too short for legends to develop.
Historians agree it takes at least two generations, or eighty+ years, for legendary accounts to establish themselves.
From the evidence, we can conclude the Gospels were indeed written by the authors they are attributed to.
The First Fully Bound Bible Books/Codices:
Codex Vaticanus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 280 - 330 AD
Codex Siniaticus: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 300 - 350 AD
Codex Alexandrius: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 350 - 400 AD
Codex Vulgate: Origin 1st century M/S - first Codex, 380 - 400 AD
Jesus and the Jews were multilingual:
Pilate had a placard prepared in 3 languages and fastened to the cross.
It read: 'JESUS Of NAZARETH, THE KING Of THE JEWS'.
Many of the Jews read this sign, the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin/Greek, (John 19:19-20).
The Gospels were written in Koine Greek being the World's language in the 1st century.
The Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek (Septuagint) c.200 BC for the many Greek speaking Jews.
It is well known that first-century Jerusalem was inhabited by Greek speaking Jews who were at least bilingual.
Jesus Himself was at least trilingual apart from the ability to read minds.
The original Gospels, autographs, were written in Koine Greek and sent throughout the then known world..
Jewish culture was heavily influenced by Hellenistic culture, and Koine Greek was used not only for international communication but also as the first language of many Jews. This development was furthered by the fact that the largest Jewish community in the world at that time lived in Ptolemaic Alexandria.
GOD Protects His Sacred Words:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed".
"As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed". (Galatians 1:8-9).
Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matt 24:35).
God protects His Word & Gospels and warns of antichrists. (1John2:22).
Christ's Good News of Salvation, His Birth, Crucifixion and Resurrection hasn't changed for over 2000 years.
The Gospels are evidenced by internal and external historical, archeological & literary facts.
The Gospels are reliable and transparent with any variations in translations referenced in the footnotes.
The Gospels have 1000 times more manuscripts than the most documented ancient literature, (Greco-Roman historian Suetonius).
The Bible is the most comprehensive and reliable source of 1st century Jerusalem history and being used by archaeologists to support research today.
Hallelujah !
Num 6:24-26
Great info! I know that took a lot of time to compile, so it is much appreciated. One small correction- you have a paragraph called Early New Testament Manuscripts from the dead sea scrolls, and in it you list Isaiah and several other OLD Testament books. Its probably a typo. I am not aware of any NT books being found in the dead sea caves but you said a portion of Mark was found in cave 7. I will research that further.
Wow - TY 😊
Hallelujah
@@LukeClemens .....................
The Dead Sea Scrolls is about the traditions and literature of the Gnostic people living near the bank of the Dead Sea. It has nothing to do with Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-10-24
@defenderoftruth3212 well the Dead Sea Scrolls is mostly old Testament stuff and a few things related to governance and such. It does have the full Hebrew text of Isaiah which is pretty cool. I think PastorWithoutaPulpit just typed "new" when he meant "old". I'm not aware of any gnostic writings found at Qumran, which typically came later. I did look up the Callaghan fragment of Mark from cave 7. It's questionable if it's Mark or not... it's almost like it's notes that someone was scribbling while listening to a speech on the topic of that passage in Mark. It's hard to say for sure.
You are doing God's work. God bless you both. May the Lord bless you both with long life and many blessings in the next life
The biggest Islamic scholarship problem with their texts is the unorganized state of the earliest known manuscripts. It's not as if Turkey or Mecca has their version of a Vatican Library or a coordinated system of Islamic Museums that will open their doors and let the scholars of today examine the manuscripts they possess.
Archeological trivia: Skeletal remains can often be sexed by the shape of the skull. Evidentially a woman's will result in having a more pronounced and noticeable smile. Hence a person may want to wear protective glasses on a sunny day when talking with Hatun.
God bless you both, thank you for sharing with the world 🌎.
Jay! At 1:16:15 you said that John of Damascus’s greatest work was the “Heresy of the Ishmaelites”. Are you forgetting “An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith”, which is still cited and recommended today as the most thorough systematic theology text from the first millennium of Christianity?
I should have said his greatest work concerning the religion which later became known as Islam is the "Heresy of the Ishmaelites", as this will become a much more popular text than his "Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith", which not many people really know about it. Besides, many would differ with you that it is the most thorough systematic text for the 1st millennium, but feel free to disagree.
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How about discussing the book The Caesar's Messiah? -09-10-24
always thought Hatun was very attractive. Very informative.
@briandrake6660 .....................
But you were surprised to see that she looks like Joker. -09-08-24
@defenderoftruth3212 Muhammed (URNBUH) wore Aisha's underwear so that he would look more attractive and he dyed his beard yellow. What a buffoon.
Love your material Dr. Smith. Have one little correction for you; Leiden University is in the Netherlands ;) And don't try to pronounce de Goeje, you never get it :D OUr G sound is harsh and the J sound like we use it isn't used in any English word (as far as I know).
Yep, I stand corrected...and I think I did apologize for mispronouncing the name already in the video. If not, my apologies again, and I'll just let people read the name instead from here on out.
@@pfanderfilms 😁Indeed you did apologize for mispronouncing. No need for that tho. Dutch names are difficult. You could ask a Dutch person to help you out with that😋Thanks for all the work you have done over the years. It helps a lot.
Could you please tell us about early Muslims who said to be travelled to Ethiopia escaping persecution? Is this story true? What was the date of the travel of those Muslim refugees to Ethiopia?
If Bukhari whittled down 600,000 Hadith to 7000 then you would expect their to be other copies of Hadiths all over the place. It's extremely unlikely he was able to destroy all copies of the 593,000 rejected ones, That would have taken a truly massive coordinated effort by the entire Muslim world. Their would likely have to be other manuscripts of Hadiths apart from the ones he researched if he found that many.
They were not written down but based on oral tradition.
@@dqschannel If all 600,000 Hadiths that Bukhari whittled down to 7000 came from oral tradition and we no longer have the 593,000 he rejected that means oral tradition is totally useless for preserving anything from history.
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It's like how the New Testament was being compiled. All the materials were being put on the table. But only four were selected. Many were rejected. What are these four?
1). The 4 make-believe gospels
2). The dream of John labeled as the book of Revelations
3). The book of Acts depicting the ridiculous and fictional adventure of Paul.
4). The 15 letters of Paul.
-09-10-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 The thing is, within those 4 Gospels themselves is a written warning about false teaching and false religion attempting to pass itself off for Christianity, combined with a method to test for it. So the compilers of the books that became the NT had a logically consistent method for determining what went in and what stayed out. Paul, before he had his roadside conversion was one of the very top Jewish scholars, and everything he said and did was consistent with the OT as well as the Gospels. Then you have the writing of anti-Christian pagans to corroborate that the early church existed along with the events depicted.
@@defenderoftruth3212 the gospel is all consistent with the prophecy of the prophets of the Old Testament.. and there are archeological evidences to prove the Bible .. all your defense are baseless.. Jesus has more than 1000 eyes witnesses .. Mohammed has none , Mohammed flew in a donkey , donkey was the witness .. Islam is fake
Leiden ist not in Germany, it is in the Netherlands and the scholar is obiviously dutch.
I don't know whether he considered himself to be German, which is possible in the 18th century. The national division between dutch and Germans occured rather late. The dutch national anthem from the 16th century states that Wilhelm of Orany is of "Duytschem blot", i.e. of German blod.
Yep, you are correct, and I stand corrected...thanks!
Halleluia ... Hope the resarch exposed are being scrutinized ... Verified by open minded muslim scholars ... We pray, I am a Catholic Christian ... That there will be a most peaceful transformation ... To the envy if the satanic world. Keep praying ... Ave Maria ...
54:30 ... Wonderful graphical representations ...
01:05:30 ... If data is not available to substantiate the source of a religious book ... Should one abandon a centuries old reilgion ... ?
Hey Hatun how are you? I’m so glad to see you I was so worried! Thank God your safe…
@Jay Smith, @Hatun Tash
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This is a scholary talk about the early manuscripts. And it said, that the carbonated date is not enough to date the early manuscripts.
Thanks again for your great research,to both of you. With help of the internet, this can reach the hallowed halls of higher learning,which seem to have been infuenced by leftist islamist thinking.of late.
Check out spelling and pronunciation of the prophet in polish Lithuanian Czech and Slovak.
In my discussions with Muslims over the years, they generally don't rely on any biography, whoever actually wrote it. They consider it a somewhat helpful context but of mixed reliability.
HALELUYA
ask these scholars WHY have we no manuscripts from earlier decades then offer them possible answers.
Thank you Jay and thank you Hatun.
Oh no, not Farid... he's clueless. Rob Christian tore him to pieces over this "rebuttal".
Love and prayers from Ireland 🇮🇪. Christ is king 👑
58:00 ... If the manuscripts are destroyed ... Without any clue ... How can one recover it ... ?? And nobody is bound to produce it ... Nor accept conclusively that they are lost !!! It is sad ... But need the people to help themselves from the tragic description .... Hosanna ...
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Hatun!! We love you!!❤❤
This is one of the best video's you've done, is a break down of this video covered on the Pfander Centre?
Upps, Leiden is Dutch, Michael Jan de Goeje as well.
Yep, I stand corrected...
Leiden university is in the Netherlands. Not in Germany!
Yes, as I have been told countless times now. I stand corrected and have corrected my PowerPoint, so that I won't make that mistake again.
If you knew who fabricated those so-called "Birmingham manuscripts", you would know who created islam.
The Birmingham pages, 2 front and back, are simply parts 1/10 of popular stories which were known for centuries before Islam. Islam copied these stories into the Koran.
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Are they not the ones copying from the Qur'an? -09-08-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 no. The Koran writers took those 3 stories, as Dr. Jay says, from a 531AD story about the 7 Sleepers of Ephesus, a 600AD story about Mary and the story of Moses known since about 1400BC.
if you want to see the real thief, just look at OT, its stolen from jew
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1). There is no story in the Qur'an about the 7 sleepers.
2). Mary's story in the Qur'an is totally different from the Bible. In the Qur'an, she is a virgin. In the Bible, she is already espoused to Joseph. Hence, not virgin anymore. In the Qur'an, Angel Jibreel breathed unto her the 'spirit' which impregnated her. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit went above her while the Most High overshadowed her which caused her to impregnate.
3). Moses's story in the Qur'an is totally different from the Bible. In the Qur'an, it's Moses who performed the magic. In the Bible, it's Aaron.
But the truth of the matter is that these are passed-on stories. All the previous Scriptures were sent by Allah SWT to his prophets. It's the passed-on stories from one prophet to another. What had been told or conveyed to one prophet before were also being told to another prophet, then to another prophet, and so on. What had been told to Moses were also being to Prophet jESUs pbuh. What had been to Prophet jESUs pbuh were also being told to Prophet Muhammad pbuh. All Scriptures came from the same source. One source, one author conveying the 'message' of Islam. Hence, there is no such thing as copying of stories. It all came from the same Islamic source. But the Qur'an corrects all the corruptions made on the previous Scriptures.
Q. 41:43. Nothing is said to you, [O Muhammad], except what was already said to the messengers before you. Indeed, your Lord is a possessor of forgiveness and a possessor of painful penalty. -09-10-24
Hatun is a soldier for Christ!
@ileanamuntean
😕 unde dai și unde crapă...
musai o fost să zîci și dum'eata oareșce....
I can hardly believe that all those learned scholars in Medina haven't bothered to check their own sources. I guess they know about this but dare not publicize it. That's why Islam is not true. It's a house of cards based on lies and deceit.
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That is how you're being brainwashed with. And you did believe in it. -09-10-24
The Muhammad Islam Asserts is M.I.A.
The thing I like about Jay is he does not come across as a raving Zionist lunatic like many others such a Christian Prince, David Wood and the Apostate prophet, he is a academic and it shows
@Jay Smith you are more than welcome to do the critical analysis of Ved and Ramayan and Mahabharata. We already have done it and many valid/scientific evidences exist for their dating. You are encouraged to read the works of Nilesh Oak, Dr Raj Vedam, Dr Neeraj Rai etc and if possible have a debate with them.
When are you going to explore the Ethiopian archives for the none existence of Islam?
I don’t understand why people are keep running away from the LOVE AND TRUTH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD and try to defend FABRICATED LIES! Religious politics shouldn’t mislead people to separate themselves from the LOVE AND TRUTH GOD! Hell is a serious matter! We shouldn’t end up in it because of lies of religious politics!
Hatun is an American Hero !!! I would vote her for President of the US.
Funny that Moslems will use Hafs for their Quran but refuse his hadiths as he was a known liar and fraud.
@ishtarlew598 .......................
It's just a matter of labeling the Qur'an. Whoever Hafs was, and whoever Warsh was, they no have to authority to claim authorship of the Qur'an, or any person for that matter. -09-10-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 So, just as Christians have different versions of the Bible that are essentially the same, Moslems have dozens of different versions of the Quran, that are essentially the same. Just, Moslems can’t say or prove that one version of the Quran is identical to the Quran Allah has, word for word, letter for letter. I was going to say dot for dot, but the Uthman Quran didn’t have diacriticals.
Leiden University in Germany ? really ? I think you mean Jan de Goeje (sounds more Dutch)
Yep, I stand corrected...
Hattie is a legend!
Tessekurler,Hatun!😂