Artoria could be cool if they gave her charisma and extra useful effect but also a fun one. Like a King of Knighrs skills where she mega buffs round table allies or general knight classes
Give her one hit of Solemn Defense for the party, and then some sort of buff or battery for all Knight of the Round Table attribute units, including herself.
This AOE buster video and the recent Kama buff reminded me that Europa has charm damage. 60% chance to charm enemies for 1 turn but she gives party-wide 30% damage against charm for 3 turns
Love Ryou for defending my favorite welfare saber, Artoria. She's just a good buster stick that has clear limits and should never touch a CQ imo. RMR is optimal but not required for respectable damage; she was kinda built for 3 turn single core with VVO and lives and dies on it
Makes an event titled " My Little Dragon " > Melusine , a Literal Dragon is not in the event because the devs doesnt want to overshadow the " Newer Dragon SSR "
Saber is so basic that for me she should be the middle of the road, so anything bellow a 2 would be weird, not because she's good, but because she is not bad.
Writing my thoughts as I watch I think Semiramis's kit was a cool concept for Early Fgo day's but she's just Assassin Geronimo level of weird, she just doesn't feel good to use purely of her 3rd skill and low damage. She was like the worst option you can get from a gssr banner and she'd be paired with the good units. It'd be interesting if her np charge got buffed and became a multi core farmer for 90+ and below but they have no idea how to fix her and forgot about her 1. For Artoria, I think over time, her losing her Quick and Arts card on her 2nd skill on a burst turn isn't necessary that much of a downside considering the amount of damage you can ramp her buster cards, plus as long u can get any of her cards, you'd probably guarantee max dps for that situation possible so the rng is just lower. You can make an arguement for it, but realistically, besides Mordred you really wouldn't use any of the other buster aoe sabers for longer battles imo at least. Quick aoe sabers like Charle feel better suited for that. For CQ, yeah she's not really that good but unless the enemy has hp at the levels of recollection quest her dps is probably good enough as it is really for your average monthly CQ. For Farming her burst, skill cooldowns and NP effect is just gonna outstand the others it doesn't even need to be KKO but like if you think about her popularity, people still use her regardless and max her first over the others even if it's less practical. There's still the atlas mc multi dps teams for free quest and shit and her crappy charisma comes into play. People would favor her even if the professionals say otherwise I mean just look at the Saber Support list and it's like 50% all perfect Artoria's, you'd think taking a perfect Ibuki would be so much easier until you realize none of your 130 friends has a decent Ibuki up for noobs to use 1:17:22 Favorite Plushie quote of the day 2. Despite how much I want Tametomo, he's like one of the most forgettable Archers to ever release and he's honestly Rasputin levels of "goddamn is this guy feels so average to use" without his anti lawful damage mod Because you start to notice, having both invincibility pierce and Def ignore doesn't really come into play as an aoe Archer. I could be wrong but I feel like you'd only need one or none when the situation comes but he's not good enough to be the universal pick, the swiss knife pick. It's probably because they want Tesla and Napoleon to stay relevant tho Napoleon is just as average or worse 3. As much as I've seen Amakusa beating most of the boss content in the entire game, I still believe he still sucks for the average lv90 np1~3 without extra investment. I'd take low star servants and beat the same content 30 mintues faster and be on to grind bones for the 10th year and go to bed while Amakusa does what he does to bosses that aren't class advantage. He's one of those servants who people praise as "He's good enough for the game after all these years" or he's the one shit servant you want to avoid from your gssr for all costs. I mean for a class with Ruler Melusine and Caren, being fancy doesn't get you anything apparently. At least with Johanna or Moriarty, I'd honestly fight that their utility is generally a lot more useful because someone else is gonna do the damage anyways and also arts
It’s crazy that Medusa still hasn’t had any skill buffs And the buff to her NP sucks too I have 2 people on my friends list with her 120’d and it feels bad
regarding Habbycat w/ BoC, while i do love having the option and like that it enables morgan to 3T with BG; its so fuckin expensive. if you field habetrot you cant even fill the remaining CE slots with 5 star CEs. so like, sure you can make your morgan or whoever go thermonuclear, but it costs you 2 ce slots. its frankly unusable in most events , and even for dailies or mat farming youre usually losing 10-20% of assorted exp. tis a tragic state of affairs for habbycat
Ok there is no world where Semiramis is better than Artoria Saber, Semi can't black grail loop that alone makes her worse and without class advantage Semi is ass for damage
@@tezmick9590 Artoria can't BG loop either. You need a CE with two stages of overcharge or Chloe w/ a 3 enemy wave on the front. I mentioned during the stream that you likely didn't watch that usually the biggest benefit of being BG compatible is the ability to not rely on a CE at all. If 98% of the time you have to rely on an overcharge CE that you don't want to use for Saber to be unique, then it just doesn't seem that relevant.
I use BG to loop my Arthur, 😅 It goes with 2 koyan, ends with Oberon and there's a pit stop turn 1 with habethrot with a charging NP CE. On the NA version of the game.
@Ottobean as the comment below says you don't need a overcharge Ce you can do it on NA right now with 2 koyan light, Oberon and Habetrot with the Camlan Ce there are videos of people doing it, maybe do some research before accusing people
@ The only thing I accused you of is commenting without watching the video, and I haven't really seen any indication otherwise. Just because there are videos of people doing that setup doesn't mean people actually do it. I know you said that it is cheaper in ways, but that's a stupid point because it's literally more expensive than BG buster looping with summer Chloe. Team cost is already one of the biggest issues with Chloe setups, and Habetrot actually needs a specific CE.
@Ottobean you can get Camlan in the friendpoint gacha and it doesn't need to be limit broken, habetrot is also in the same friendpoint pool, so if you own Habetrot you should own Camlan, it's a lot more accessible than max limit broken Rising Mud Rain which NA doesn't even have yet
5 fou paws from having Artoria fully maxed on na. She's a 1. Love her, but so basic with no survivability. Don't know if it helps or not but she can Black Grail loop with the addition of Habetrot with Battle of Camlan(admittedly not event friendly, but can be done.) Looking forward to listening to throughout the week!
1:06:40 nope, Plush is right, Saber is like a figure in my collection, i am a complete F2P and i didn't had a reason to pick Saiba over anyone else, there's always someone better to do the job. 1:38:25 Yeah, i have lvl 100 Musashi and lvl 90 Melusine, i do change DPS sometimes, but 99% of the time it's one of those two.
1:06:04 Ryou: “I don’t think anyone is neutral farming with AOE buster sabers” Me: laughs with with my grailed lvl 108 Saber Ibuki. Hell i use her far more than the berserker ibuki
Kurohime looks pretty much like Saya Kisaragi from Blood-C (CLAMP version of Blood+). Of course she can be main heroine :D Edit: Or Yomi from Ga-Rei -Zero-.
No bs she can use a buff because her arts np legit only has two skills and it’s not like the np it’s self is that good besides the np gain 120 np4 lol.
Am i crazy or is it that after they made tonelico, they started avoiding making crazy buster loopers, our buster aoes since then have been richard and shingen which are both just crit dps’ with an aoe np to supplement their damage. We got 2 meta loopers for arts and quick just this year
Also romulus is gender unknown because romulus is all of rome, all of the roman people, the manifestation of rome itself. So yes romulus is multiple people. I think he shouldve had the male tag though because hes in caligulas body
They should buff tametomo's s3 by reducing the cd by 1, making the np dmg up stackable for 3t instead of 1t, and adding 10% more for the regen. Kinda makes it a overkill but seeing the recent upgrades shouldnt be a issue
Imma be honest, gilgamesh was nerfed by draco because she was kinda like gil so the devs thought..... "let's put less servants in the game as a whole" and now gilgamesh is less desirable because of the "deaco effect" is what I call it.
bb S is overrated, her np damage is not great as her critics, the only special is block cards but really You are going to throw one Merlin, asclepio or mash for only block the cards 2 turns?
Just have Habetrot clear wave one and don't waste a CE slot. Using Habetrot to enable BG looping is peak sunk cost because no other type of setup would allow for something that silly. Quick looping would be so much easier but people would mock you for suggesting that setup.
@@tezmick9590 Nobody uses Ms. Crane for farming. That is for damage stacking for CQs, which you are never going to bring Og Saber to anyway. And people bash Chloe comps all the time for being super expensive and not very ideal most of the time. Habetrot comps are not much different.
@@orga7777 The argument in the vid was that she needs Rising Mud Rain, she doesn't with habbycat and black grail she can neutral farm all but the largest enemies and you can equip Chaldea tea and lunchtime if your last servant is a 3 star or lower, so you lose zero bond xp, also fgo is 80% farming so Artoria can BG loop 80% of content 😉
1:06:40 I’m sorry I’m with plushie on this , she’s just very useless nowadays and i HATE every single buff she got to the point I wish it was never buffed so when she gets a buff nowadays it would actually do something and not leave her with only increasing her np dmg ….. best way to describe her is that she has no identity nothing makes me think “oh my saber artoria would be great for this “ .
But hasn't that always been Sabers niche? Higher then average AoE Np Damage. Salter's as well. Her "niche" is that she is almost a Free to Play Buster Looper, since with every freebie possible you could get her to higher Np level easily over the years. And she still deals the most AoE Buster Saber damage if I'm not incorrect. Not much else, but she has that.
1:06:04 Ryou: “I don’t think anyone is neutral farming with AOE buster sabers” Me: laughs with with my grailed lvl 108 Saber Ibuki. Hell i use her far more than the berserker ibuki
1:17:19 it's okay plushie, one day koyan dark will do more damage than the average aoe buster saber
😂😂😂
The whole reason Plushie is bitching over Sabertoria is because a 1 year servant does more damage than Koyan Dark.
damndamndamn
I love the Angy Plushie edit for the thumbnail Otto! Please do more joke sprites for future Smobs!
My 4 Horseman of Apocalypse: Myst, Plushie, Otto and Ryou in the same room will be peak
FR
Next Myst tier list. Chuck fino there as well
Ryou: I don't care for her design (Biscione)
"If only she was a bit smaller"
Not beating those allegations 😅
Artoria could be cool if they gave her charisma and extra useful effect but also a fun one.
Like a King of Knighrs skills where she mega buffs round table allies or general knight classes
Give her one hit of Solemn Defense for the party, and then some sort of buff or battery for all Knight of the Round Table attribute units, including herself.
The artoria has the benefit of being a simple solid unit that is easy to do three turn farming without optimal np charge ces and or supports
This AOE buster video and the recent Kama buff reminded me that Europa has charm damage.
60% chance to charm enemies for 1 turn
but she gives party-wide 30% damage against charm for 3 turns
Truth be told your podcasts are the reason why i can listen to them in the first place so thank you for your amazing content!
Love Ryou for defending my favorite welfare saber, Artoria. She's just a good buster stick that has clear limits and should never touch a CQ imo. RMR is optimal but not required for respectable damage; she was kinda built for 3 turn single core with VVO and lives and dies on it
Makes an event titled " My Little Dragon "
> Melusine , a Literal Dragon is not in the event because the devs doesnt want to overshadow the " Newer Dragon SSR "
A lot of the actual Dragons are not in the event, actually. No Melu, no Vritra, no Ibuki. All are absent.
It's the year of the snake, in which case the purpose of the event is to literally celebrate the year where we move on from the dragons
Saber is so basic that for me she should be the middle of the road, so anything bellow a 2 would be weird, not because she's good, but because she is not bad.
Writing my thoughts as I watch
I think Semiramis's kit was a cool concept for Early Fgo day's but she's just Assassin Geronimo level of weird, she just doesn't feel good to use purely of her 3rd skill and low damage. She was like the worst option you can get from a gssr banner and she'd be paired with the good units. It'd be interesting if her np charge got buffed and became a multi core farmer for 90+ and below but they have no idea how to fix her and forgot about her
1. For Artoria, I think over time, her losing her Quick and Arts card on her 2nd skill on a burst turn isn't necessary that much of a downside considering the amount of damage you can ramp her buster cards, plus as long u can get any of her cards, you'd probably guarantee max dps for that situation possible so the rng is just lower. You can make an arguement for it, but realistically, besides Mordred you really wouldn't use any of the other buster aoe sabers for longer battles imo at least. Quick aoe sabers like Charle feel better suited for that. For CQ, yeah she's not really that good but unless the enemy has hp at the levels of recollection quest her dps is probably good enough as it is really for your average monthly CQ. For Farming her burst, skill cooldowns and NP effect is just gonna outstand the others it doesn't even need to be KKO but like if you think about her popularity, people still use her regardless and max her first over the others even if it's less practical. There's still the atlas mc multi dps teams for free quest and shit and her crappy charisma comes into play. People would favor her even if the professionals say otherwise I mean just look at the Saber Support list and it's like 50% all perfect Artoria's, you'd think taking a perfect Ibuki would be so much easier until you realize none of your 130 friends has a decent Ibuki up for noobs to use
1:17:22 Favorite Plushie quote of the day
2. Despite how much I want Tametomo, he's like one of the most forgettable Archers to ever release and he's honestly Rasputin levels of "goddamn is this guy feels so average to use" without his anti lawful damage mod
Because you start to notice, having both invincibility pierce and Def ignore doesn't really come into play as an aoe Archer. I could be wrong but I feel like you'd only need one or none when the situation comes but he's not good enough to be the universal pick, the swiss knife pick. It's probably because they want Tesla and Napoleon to stay relevant tho Napoleon is just as average or worse
3. As much as I've seen Amakusa beating most of the boss content in the entire game, I still believe he still sucks for the average lv90 np1~3 without extra investment. I'd take low star servants and beat the same content 30 mintues faster and be on to grind bones for the 10th year and go to bed while Amakusa does what he does to bosses that aren't class advantage. He's one of those servants who people praise as "He's good enough for the game after all these years" or he's the one shit servant you want to avoid from your gssr for all costs. I mean for a class with Ruler Melusine and Caren, being fancy doesn't get you anything apparently. At least with Johanna or Moriarty, I'd honestly fight that their utility is generally a lot more useful because someone else is gonna do the damage anyways and also arts
Honestly it would be cool if you all rotated on each Myst tier list. Fino came in for one, the Ryo. Maybe that’s too inconsistent for people though
There’s always hope for the third ascension. (Talking about Biscone)
Nevermind Plushie said the NP wouldn’t change /:
It’s crazy that Medusa still hasn’t had any skill buffs
And the buff to her NP sucks too
I have 2 people on my friends list with her 120’d and it feels bad
Funny you should say that...
The monkeys paw curls a finger...
This brings me SO much joy .
There aren’t a lot of long Black Haired characters, so I’m happy with Kurohime.
regarding Habbycat w/ BoC, while i do love having the option and like that it enables morgan to 3T with BG; its so fuckin expensive. if you field habetrot you cant even fill the remaining CE slots with 5 star CEs. so like, sure you can make your morgan or whoever go thermonuclear, but it costs you 2 ce slots. its frankly unusable in most events , and even for dailies or mat farming youre usually losing 10-20% of assorted exp. tis a tragic state of affairs for habbycat
Ok there is no world where Semiramis is better than Artoria Saber, Semi can't black grail loop that alone makes her worse and without class advantage Semi is ass for damage
@@tezmick9590 Artoria can't BG loop either. You need a CE with two stages of overcharge or Chloe w/ a 3 enemy wave on the front. I mentioned during the stream that you likely didn't watch that usually the biggest benefit of being BG compatible is the ability to not rely on a CE at all. If 98% of the time you have to rely on an overcharge CE that you don't want to use for Saber to be unique, then it just doesn't seem that relevant.
I use BG to loop my Arthur, 😅
It goes with 2 koyan, ends with Oberon and there's a pit stop turn 1 with habethrot with a charging NP CE.
On the NA version of the game.
@Ottobean as the comment below says you don't need a overcharge Ce you can do it on NA right now with 2 koyan light, Oberon and Habetrot with the Camlan Ce there are videos of people doing it, maybe do some research before accusing people
@ The only thing I accused you of is commenting without watching the video, and I haven't really seen any indication otherwise.
Just because there are videos of people doing that setup doesn't mean people actually do it. I know you said that it is cheaper in ways, but that's a stupid point because it's literally more expensive than BG buster looping with summer Chloe. Team cost is already one of the biggest issues with Chloe setups, and Habetrot actually needs a specific CE.
@Ottobean you can get Camlan in the friendpoint gacha and it doesn't need to be limit broken, habetrot is also in the same friendpoint pool, so if you own Habetrot you should own Camlan, it's a lot more accessible than max limit broken Rising Mud Rain which NA doesn't even have yet
the artoria slander was hilarious
2:56:10 holy crap, you’re a snoot game fan? LETS GOOOOOO. It’s a small world after all.
5 fou paws from having Artoria fully maxed on na. She's a 1. Love her, but so basic with no survivability. Don't know if it helps or not but she can Black Grail loop with the addition of Habetrot with Battle of Camlan(admittedly not event friendly, but can be done.)
Looking forward to listening to throughout the week!
1:06:40 nope, Plush is right, Saber is like a figure in my collection, i am a complete F2P and i didn't had a reason to pick Saiba over anyone else, there's always someone better to do the job.
1:38:25 Yeah, i have lvl 100 Musashi and lvl 90 Melusine, i do change DPS sometimes, but 99% of the time it's one of those two.
I can’t wait for the myst tier lists next month , I hope ryou will be there honestly.
What NP level are you using for that tier list? Because it change everything about my fav, Arcueid, placement :D
Did you guys talk about ereshkigal being able to bg loop?
They do. I hope they know Takeda ShinGOAT can BG loop with the same comp next stream.
@@aquasis995 Oh shit I didn't even realize that, that's actually awesome
melusine need a buff fr
Buff for her NP, but only Arts part!
Lmao ok.
Take her, Castoria bum ass, KuKu and Oberon, launch them into the moon.
FGO will never be the same with these bums in the game.
Oh no, i bet plushie gonna get mad when kukulkan turns
Edit i was right 4:11:50
1:06:04 Ryou: “I don’t think anyone is neutral farming with AOE buster sabers”
Me: laughs with with my grailed lvl 108 Saber Ibuki. Hell i use her far more than the berserker ibuki
Kurohime looks pretty much like Saya Kisaragi from Blood-C (CLAMP version of Blood+). Of course she can be main heroine :D
Edit: Or Yomi from Ga-Rei -Zero-.
Melusine should get a buff, the fact that i have mine 120 np5 is unrelated to that opinion. Percival also could use one
No bs she can use a buff because her arts np legit only has two skills and it’s not like the np it’s self is that good besides the np gain 120 np4 lol.
Buff for her NP, but only Arts part!
@@Dorrovianjust make her defense down along with arts down before the damage and you'll see the magic. Lancer 5* Virgil I mean Saito!😅
@@Dorrovianhonestly, that's not a terrible idea.
Am i crazy or is it that after they made tonelico, they started avoiding making crazy buster loopers, our buster aoes since then have been richard and shingen which are both just crit dps’ with an aoe np to supplement their damage. We got 2 meta loopers for arts and quick just this year
Also romulus is gender unknown because romulus is all of rome, all of the roman people, the manifestation of rome itself. So yes romulus is multiple people. I think he shouldve had the male tag though because hes in caligulas body
lmfao the aoe buster saber #
They should buff tametomo's s3 by reducing the cd by 1, making the np dmg up stackable for 3t instead of 1t, and adding 10% more for the regen. Kinda makes it a overkill but seeing the recent upgrades shouldnt be a issue
Give Saber(Artoria) 40(self) attack up on 1st skill and she'll be ballin.
She should do more or similar damage compared to Melusine.
I like Artoria, but... I think she's definitely below average lmao especially for challenge quests
Also i agree I’ve never seen the artoria hype tbh
I know Plushie hate putting Koyan in bottom tier and putting are lord and savor Kuku in Top Tier
Since I have Napoleon NP3, it’s more worth it for me that I use him instead of Gilgamesh
Imma be honest, gilgamesh was nerfed by draco because she was kinda like gil so the devs thought..... "let's put less servants in the game as a whole" and now gilgamesh is less desirable because of the "deaco effect" is what I call it.
I am expecting ploosh's copium to be overflowing.
The tier list is based on NP lvl’s?
How good the units are
2:27:55 Actually B rank charisma is very charismatic…There’s only one A rank and the A+ ones are shit like Gilgamesh and Buddha.
Laugh in Quetzalcoatl
@ Quetz is a chief god so makes sense
4:08:30 bro is min turning
at this point the next myst tier list next year will be 5 people 🤣🤣🤣🤣
100% agree with Ryou about Saber.
That said, I guess all this slander may facilitate another buff. 😁
Honestly buff Melusines second skill. Give a anti trait that both st and aoe can use
I would buff her NP... but only Arts part :D
bb S is overrated, her np damage is not great as her critics, the only special is block cards but really You are going to throw one Merlin, asclepio or mash for only block the cards 2 turns?
It's been 4+ years bro, this take is so far behind the times it hurts
Bite of 25
Feel like everyone forgets Artoria Saber can black grail loop if you bring habetrot with the Camlan CE
Just have Habetrot clear wave one and don't waste a CE slot. Using Habetrot to enable BG looping is peak sunk cost because no other type of setup would allow for something that silly. Quick looping would be so much easier but people would mock you for suggesting that setup.
@Ottobean it's not sillier than any comp that uses Summer Chloe or Miss Crane it's actually cheaper than using Miss crane
@@tezmick9590 Nobody uses Ms. Crane for farming. That is for damage stacking for CQs, which you are never going to bring Og Saber to anyway. And people bash Chloe comps all the time for being super expensive and not very ideal most of the time. Habetrot comps are not much different.
@@orga7777 The argument in the vid was that she needs Rising Mud Rain, she doesn't with habbycat and black grail she can neutral farm all but the largest enemies and you can equip Chaldea tea and lunchtime if your last servant is a 3 star or lower, so you lose zero bond xp, also fgo is 80% farming so Artoria can BG loop 80% of content 😉
@@tezmick9590 Rising Mud Rain is cheaper than putting in Habetrot and losing another Event CE or Bond CE for Camlann.
1:06:40 I’m sorry I’m with plushie on this , she’s just very useless nowadays and i HATE every single buff she got to the point I wish it was never buffed so when she gets a buff nowadays it would actually do something and not leave her with only increasing her np dmg ….. best way to describe her is that she has no identity nothing makes me think “oh my saber artoria would be great for this “ .
But hasn't that always been Sabers niche? Higher then average AoE Np Damage. Salter's as well. Her "niche" is that she is almost a Free to Play Buster Looper, since with every freebie possible you could get her to higher Np level easily over the years. And she still deals the most AoE Buster Saber damage if I'm not incorrect. Not much else, but she has that.
Ryou is wrong. I didnt even picked artoria with the FSN ticket, i dont even use her for farming and she is np2. She is too basic
Also i dont have Mud Rain but i do have Super BG
Saber's goth 4 star is better put vanilla in 1
I don't know she doesn't come to my chaldea for some reason ...so...😅
Vanilla Saber Sucks nil
1:06:04 Ryou: “I don’t think anyone is neutral farming with AOE buster sabers”
Me: laughs with with my grailed lvl 108 Saber Ibuki. Hell i use her far more than the berserker ibuki