Really disappointed in MA's response to the fact the team has scored 1 or 0 goals in 13/30 games This Season. That is a damning stat of significant sample size. It's no longer pundit/fan noise, the reality is there, the squad needs reinforcements in attack, Especially with BS injured.
Yes there has been much more spent on defenders. We would never have been in ANY title races without that. If we'd have spent 300m on forwards and not defenders we'd have still be battling for top 4 for the last few years. I think the priority NOW should be forwards, but I don't like that people are getting on Arteta's back about spending on defenders in the past, it was absolutely essential to spend on defence (and goalkeepers) in previous windows.
@@Touristvisa1 Agreed, squad is being rebuilt from back through to front. When money available for next phase we'll spend. BTW transfers are a group decision not an Arteta one.
@leonbell5141 Oh really? Is that what Edu told you? Nothing to do with having even more responsibility, higher position? How many times a week do you chat with him then?
Predicted XI i would go for Raya/Timber,Saliba,Gabriel,Calafiori/Partey,Rice,Odegaard/Trossard,Martinelli,Havertz Mikel will go with the strongest squad and play it safe by deploying Raya rather than Neto. Hopefully the bench isn't filled up with 4 LBs again though.
Hi Charles hope you had a good day.. Just an idea and I haven't looked at the figures. But with the defence changing more this season game to game than the last 2 it's a possibility that this has lead to more fear from the rest of the team to push forward as we haven't looked as strong and secure at the back...
To be fair, with Saka and Martinelli being the main guys (until Martinelli's form dropped off) it was difficult to sign backups for them hence low attacking spend.
what do you mean difficult, man city have a best goal scorer but are looking to add marmoush, liverpool have luis diaz on the left but they were looking (but missed) kvara, thats what big teams do, they add quality to the squad. arsenal are just reactive not proactive, they wait until something happens then they do things
Hiya Charles, Happy birthday for your daughter and safe journey for y’all. I hope we bounce back ASAP, as I’ve seen Man U at Enfield; it isn’t an easy match. Well, let’s get behind our team that we all love. COYG❤️
Why did we even bother with Sterling if we don't even play him? He must be the laziest player going if Arteta doesn't even consider him at all. A truly shocking signing.
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
😂😂 So you want to tell us that whoever comes to watch must eat the hot dog? Some things don't add up at all. Arsenal need to sell players, get sponsorships and not the hot dogs you're mentioning here
@@lnspectormukfai8291 You've failed to comprehend the original comment and as such have no frame of reference to respond. Well done for trying though.
I'm lookin at Arteta's comments from the press conference and have a spooky feelin of deja vu. I have an impending feelin of doom with regards possible transfers in January and I strongly suspect that there will be little or no action in the January window. Arsenal's season and Arteta's future is basically going to be decided over the next three games. Lose to Man Utd, Spurs and Villa and the season is arguably over.
@@amisco333 I hear you, and I agree. Just thinking that we may of done an agreement and even with Sesko we would need a wide player/another attacker. But maybe that killed the funds. Because I cannot see what is this limitation.
@@Khannonball The limitations are artificial. Kroenke's are not investing as much as fans think they are compared to what they are reaping. There is more money going out of the club than coming in and they want to keep it that way. That is why they come up with all these excuses.
@amisco333 maybe your right and the "limitations" are just words. But recent years we have spent. The rice signing shows we can spend big. But we have tried to be sustainable and that's maybe the limitation that we don't want to live on the edge. PSR did limit many clubs in the summer, but its been shown that's not the case with us, unless something has been agreed for next season. I don't get the feeling owners a sucking the club dry (like Uniteds) they have updated training grounds and stadium, looking to expand the stadium too. It's a asset, and a successful asset is worth more. But they don't do Chelsea and what City do, the big and quick signing (maybe they did with pepe). Or buy their way out, they have the money and I feel definitely should of done more in the summer. Something isn't right and we come to that stage again where players need to leave and we have to get new ones.
@@Khannonballthese owners are not invested in the club like most people think unlike their other NBA team the D. Nugget. they are okay with top 4 and making that champions league money. if the owners are not sucking the club dry and are not making investment which they should, it means they are fine with what they see( not interested enough)/ updated training ground?! the same training ground thet the England national team refused to train at cause it's a parking lot and may cause injuries( which we have seen players that were not injury prone before coming to arsenal being injure prone)
Good morning Charles. 🙏 praying for a good game against man utd. Not too worried about how many goals we score or do not score. Just a good performance and a 1-0 win will be ok for me.
I know it sounds bad, but if we lose would it prompt the fans to get onto this club to finally do things in the transfers market in January to get over the line, the fact we are not linked with Kvaraskhelia is worry.
@@moviegooner49 I'm more of an Arsenal fan than you will ever be, I worked at Arsenal for 4 years in the stadium, I have had a working partnership in regards to grassroots football. I have been at more finals supporting arsenal in Wembley than you, please don't say I'm not a fan, I love this club and that's why I can't stand to see it run like shit again. If we have to lose for success I'm all for it.
Seems to me Miles might matchup better against Amad and Califiori against Kulesevski. Meanwhile as far as Arteta's 'limitations' comment, obviously only he knows what it means but it seems logical he might be a suggesting the club is not prepared to drop 150 million on Isak and Newcastle is not going to sell him at this point either.
What on earth was the point of taking Sterling on loan? We are paying this guy nearly 100k per week and for what? The summer transfer window was poor for us, and here we are one third of the way through this transfer window with no new players in. Woeful!
Are they realmy on the market or allegedly on the market? How many teans sell their top players in January knowing they can't replace them?@@naruchimo2607
The board will be held accountable if we fail to invest In the forward line this January and end up in the same position in May . Need someone either on right or left or centrally . It’s pure neglect and this manager will ultimately pay the price
I don't think artera will pay the price, but if they dont give him what he needs, i fear he will not stay. I don't think they will do anything this transfer window. I think the board wants to see how this season goes. But if they dont get him a world class striker in the summer, then the 25/6 season will be his last.
@ I agree with you but he hasn’t helped him self backing the kroenkes and saying they’re the best owners in the world when we all know it’s gaslighting fans and his team selection and tactics this season has been shocking too they are all accountable just a shame the club is gonna let another season drift without bringing in the needed personnel . I personally don’t like this ownership there’s a reason we haven’t won anything since they been here
@efeegbra9190 but he had to back them because when he had a rough start, they backed him and didn't get rid of him. Also, for team selection, i think with injuries, it's just not for us this season. All our slump games came first when odegard was out and now our star boy. I dont want to give up on the season but im already looking at next season. I just pray they get us that golden striker in the summer. And someone to replace thomas partey in midfield.
@ fair but the fans will need someone to blame agree and for me it’s this ownership . I agree with you but I’m tired of not winning can’t believe we keep saying next season when will it end . There must be accountability at the end of the season . Look how fans are crying for a signing it’s unfair
Charles’s question was good and Mikel’s response was rubbish. Charles placed the figures in front of him and he couldn’t respond wisely. We had the best defense in the league last year/ season and he still spent money to add a player in the defense. So if we scored the most goals last season why didn’t he still invest in the attack as he did to an already good defense? Our problem isn’t that Arsenal is broke, it’s that Mikel makes the wrong choices. Give him a 100m and I bet you he’d sign a GK and defensive players instead of the attacking players we all know we need. It’s his mindset, he is heavily defensively focused and doesn’t want to deal with the ego of a big name CF or AM.
Fluff and no ambition from Arsenal. Average ambitions, average fan base, average football club. That’s why they will never sign if you’re top quality players without letting their existing top quality players go
city has just got done with 2 signings for january. and there is arteta saying "very difficult to get players in january". am i to understand arteta has better knowledge than pep ?
Finance experts have said Arsenal have no PSR or FFP issues Infact we are in a very healthy position. This hesitancy to spend is from the higher ups and they are briefing the media about “limitations” albeit these are self imposed and not out of necessity
@Larry-lv7dz yeah but thats not gonna happen until summer. I dont think people realise how bad trossard and martinelli have been, they dont get in any top 6 team
@GaryClark-o9p i havnt changed my way of thinking but our squad is so weak offensively and that wont be fixed in jan, no chance. Make no mistake we arnt winning anything this season
@@supercellgenius9302 But you have, in your own words, "the best manager in world football today" who you've been noshing off for the last 5 years so why the sudden change?
Sorry to repeat what is already known: The owners of Arsenal are traditional american businessmen and making money is the primary, the only consideration. They do not have the same passions, emotions, or desires as fans. Will they take risks to win? No. Will they be devastated if Arsenal don't win? No. Arsenal are just an investment for them, the same as a stock or bond. They could own Tottenham, an ice hockey team, or an apartment complex, and they would feel the same as they do about owning Arsenal. That doesn't mean Arsenal won't ever win. Liverpool's owners follow the same model, and they win. However, it is difficult when competing against clubs with owners who don't care about losses (City, Chelsea under Abromovich) or who follow high-risk/reward models of investing (Chelsea under Boehly, et al.
They own teams that have hoisted Super Bowl trophies, Stanley Cups, and NBA Championship trophies. Whole lotta winnin goin on with in the portfolio. Btw… most successful business models include making money.
@tclem2069 One of each. American sports teams, completely different models. I'm not impressed. And the last 10 years in the PL? City, Chelsea, and 2 outliers, Leicester and Liverpool. Liverpool made wise use of a ridiculous fee for Coutinho and Leicester was a sports miracle.
@@tclem2069They don’t care about English football. Barely turn up to watch the games if at all. No fucking ambition when this team is crying out for reinforcements. We better complain now instead of waiting for Saka and Saliba to leave as they won’t be extending with 2 years left on their contract this summer. 3 seasons in a row without winning silverware, you think they’ll tie themselves down for more? No. Time to get serious and invest in the team before fans start protesting for them (KSE) to leave the club.
Hey Charles, I'd like to see a lot of rotation tomorrow. The team I'd pick is: Neto Timber Saliba Calafori Zinny Jorge Odegaard Havertz Sterling Jesus Martineli Odegaard Jorgie and Zinny cutting the United Defence with passes for Sterling and the little gabis to run in behind. I know I was overconfident with the Newcastle predictions, but I'm going to go again 4 or 5-1 Arsenal 😂😂 Mon da Gunners
When Arteta talks about quality players rather than quantity and just signing bodies what went wrong with Vierra Havertz Lokongo Tavares Runnarsson Luiz Kibior Zinchenko Marquineous William Jorgeinio Neto maybe Merino Tommi injuries and I'm sure there are more disaster signings. Raya has to be no 1 we need to win this game this could be the most important game of the season. Charles do you think Edu and Arteta fell out over the Merino signing given that Edu said he was concerned about signing players over 28.
Gday Charles great show as usual, can’t say the same for some of the negative nancys commenting here. You wouldnt believe we are second in the league despite serious injuries to our best players and several points dropped due to dodgy VAR, what do these ‘fans’ want from Arteta FFS
My starting would be, Raya Timber, Saliba, Gabi, Calafori Odegaard, Rice, Merino Jesus, havertz, Martinelli We need this win to kick start the week. Coyg
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
Arsenal will sign no one if you listen to what Arteta said he was very politically astute on saying we don’t have the money spend basically the owners will not back him in this transfer window.
City are making movements in this transfer window to turn their season around. They’re signing a prolific attacker when they already have Haaland. The club cannot say there are no options out there in this window. There looks to be some really high quality attackers available but we are not being linked with any of them, what is going on?!
If Trossard starts, we will not score! He is an impact player only. Calafiori at LB, Timber RB, Gabriel & Saliba in Middle. Midfield Partey, Rice & Odegaard, Attack Martinelli, Havertz & Jesus.
I keep repeating my self, We have no money to spend, UNLESS Stan or the bank advance the money. We have to balance the books ie; sell before we buy. It must be obvious to most on here. Aeteta is not stupid, he can see the frustration of the fans for a couple of obvious positions. If he had ready money he would spend it. So we will keep being fed links from the Arsenal PR desk to keep the fans exciting. End of the window , "we run out of time" or in comes a freebi. In case they find some money down the back of the sofa !! Buy Kvaratskhelia Arteta Quote. "If any one comes on the market who will improve the club" Well here he is !! Dont hold your breath.
@greyhound1racing - makes sense; and if I don't know if/how long some of the current [or relatively recent] player's purchases have been amortized, what we received from ESR, Eddie, Aaron, et al., doesn't square up to what we spent the previous 18 mos. It SEEMs, sometimes, peeps think the club is a 'bottomless' $ pit - or don't take the league's financial regs into account...
I expect very little this Jan maybe a loan or two or a very lucky signing of a player is very unhappy elsewhere. Worryingly we still haven’t got a new technical director in yet and I expect that soon not at the beginning of the summer window they’ll have had long enough to appoint someone. Of in the summer it’s a poor window I want the Kroenkes out and won’t accept any excuse they’ll have failed big time as owners if we are pissing around this summer in the transfer market.
When are the arsenal fan base going to realise there will be no signings in January Maybe a loan signing for a washed up chelsea or man city has been it's only gona be like this wile the kroenkies own the club
Yeah clearly the money isn’t being made available and Arteta has to be the front man who will shoulder that. However, even when he does hold an interest in a player I’m not always convinced it’s the right allocation of resources like now the desire for Nico Williams to be the next big signing in the summer. That’s a player that again you can just tell won’t be ready to take Arsenal to the next level and we’d need someone with a more proven track record of performing for his club week in week out at the top of their league
He's a reporter who happens to be a AFC fan not a child so needs to balanced he's already said we need transfer. Go to AFTV if you want that ranting type content
Hi Charles what about in 2018 when Josh said be excited and Arteta saying we need to maximise every window, seems Arteta now is just like wenger was, a puppet for the board
Some folks just want to challenge, not win. How can you be okay with a disproportionate amount of spending on defenders when it achieved absolutely nothing!!
Zidane saw that Odegard was not good enough for Real Madrid, so they sent him to Real Sociedad, where he could play well and without pressure. At Arsenal, there is pressure every day, so the signing policy should be focused on established players and not young players who cannot handle the pressure and responsibility of the club. 
Every business, every organization and every individual has limitations - I don't place any significance on what he said there. The biggest impediment to getting what we all want is desire! Does Arteta want a striker? If he does, he will get the board support. If he doesn't, he will get the board support - for now.
Let tgem loose they are not a serious club jst boycott everything buying jackets ,tickets and the owners will feel the pinch i blane u fans you are also not serious enough to for e things to happen if you really like the club and you are serious about it
I hope Arsenal crash out of the competition.... seriously need to get our weaknesses in the open....if we win, the owners and the coach will fall back to their cozy couch and the same cycle will turn again. Wait for summer.....ooooh oooh too much wait for January...ooh ooh too much let's wait for summer again. Oh no our best players are out of contract so let's sell them before they run out of contract. Oh no we have to rebuild again.....meanwhile other clubs are winning silverwares effing heck. This will probably get the coach the sack and then the whole "dance" begins again. Let's not forget that the Kroenkes effectively sacked our legendary manager Arsene Wenger with their austere approach.
Unpopular opinion- i hope,and want us, to win tomorrow but i ain't going to lose my 💩if we get knocked out because with the injuries we already have I'm not sure we can cope with any extra games.
How can you put havertz money under the attacking budget when artera even said he was bought in as a midfielder? Why didn’t you ask Arteta why did we have 4 left backs on the bench against Newcastle and 1 forward in sterling who’s barely kicked a ball for us.
This is such a disingenuous comment. There was no option to buy Isak OR Havertz. Isak was not available then when we bought Havertz. He was already at Newcastle and had come off an injury hit season.
Hi Charles, why do Arsenal historically faff about with getting new players in? The likes of Chelsea and City do their respective business early but we act like a small club with no money. Jonesey
Hard to say, its a trophyless season for the fans, accept that, Farteta and co getting simply wages. Same reasons everyear, Saliba saka are emeey materiaal, city wil overcome every one and win the league znd more. Just trust thd process.
This man said a forward is not priority? I'm going to make it a point to avoid all Arsenal news from now, Arteta will ruin this club and all the hardwork he has achieved with this stubborness 😭
Hi Charles 👋, I hope all is good 👋 👦 ☺️ 👍 😊 🙏. After the performance of Liverpool vs Manchester United. Arsenal needs to be at their best because the Gunners have to challenge for the FA Cup. Right now Arsenal and Manchester United have won the FA Cup 14 times ⏲️. COYG to beat Manchester United God willing and win 🏆 the FA Cup for the 15th time ⏲️. Have a great day out with your family Charles 😂. Arsenal rocks 🏆 🙏 🤲 🪨 🎸 😀.
Why is Sterling here? Maybe someone should ask Arteta that question. It makes no sense. Another cast off, and apparently we have “limitations” buying a top class striker… we really shouldn’t have limitations, they have the money just not the will. What are we a retirement home.
You could be the world's richest man, and not get the lover you want without breaking laws. People who think the same doesn't apply in football make me laugh. People have the right to say no.
Money has never been a problem at Arsenal. The lack of ambition is the problem. Shopping in Chelsea's dumpster year after David Luiz and Willian is an example of what gets fans upset. Let's face it, compared to other clubs, Arsenal have tons of money, it's how they use it that drives fans mad. Players that would improve us are often ignored for unknown reasons. When Kai Havertz signed i thought it would cost Mikel his career at Arsenal and sadly in more convinced of that, now more than ever.
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
Its pathetic the way we play, the way we take our corners, like its the only way we can win. Anti football. Merino and Calafiori where bad adds to our team. Boring Arsenal is back in town
@@norwegiantacoeater9115 but when we do it he nice got him to make a big save, feel like if they can get a shot away likelihood it’s going in. Tell me the last great save? Or a save that’s kept us the 3 pts. Because I can’t
How was it the Gunners got Man U all the other sides top 6 played lower league teams . What are you going to miss, buddy. We are not going to bring anyone in 😅😅
Arsenal wasnt in UCL for 7 years, people expect everything so fast. I dont see into Arsenal finances, but i am pretty sure, they just dont want to smash every transfer window 100-180m for someone, i feel like they wanna do things smartly. Previous season we were so close to title and our weakest spot was LB on the field, so they bought Calafiori. Everyone screaming we need striker, but Havertz was doing pretty good in that position. Currently we are not in the best form but its gonna improve, i would rather see new RW to backup Saka, and maybe another 8, because Merino is not good enough there and Rice is better on 6.
Charles your a staunch arteta supporter fine!! At what point will you decide enough is enough with arteta. This season is falling apart slowly but defeat tomorrow will have it in ribbons. It would be interesting to hear your opinion
They club have chucked in the towel on winning the EPL title this season. This is why we WON'T be making the necessary signings this January. All other narratives are excuses and smokescreens to keep fans engaged until next season. Sadly, the Club's ambition does not currently match the ambitions of the fans yet again.
Arsenal have shown there true colours they’re happy with 2-4 place they don’t need to win to be successful in profits and I’m starting to think we’re being taken for fools including you Charles going off some of the stuff I’ve heard you say
We spend 700 in the last five years. More than we ever spend. Yet you think the club are happy for top 4😂 Do you still live with your parants, because you dont think about psr or constantly losing money. And last we done for years now. Yes we need to get a player in but think before you write. Its about being sensible.
@@moviegooner49think before I write? What sort of mug are you ? Honestly the delusion from you and sheer confidence in writing such nonsense is the problem with this fan base, why has Mikel stopped saying we will maximise every window then after signing his contract now says we will look at internal solutions.. honestly your an embarrassment
@@moviegooner49news flash clubs spend money to compete. Instead of being an accountant you should aim higher for owners who prioritise the club being successful
@singerpour6946 You dont have clue. (PSR) previously known as Financial Fair Play (FFP). The aim of the regulations is the same; to police clubs' finances and ensure they do not lose too much money. And you talking about only 15 mil a year🤦. Educate yourself
@singerpour6946 Profit and Sustainability Regulations (PSR) previously known as Financial Fair Play (FFP). The aim of the regulations is the same; to police clubs' finances and ensure they do not lose too much money. And you are talking about Arteta's salary; That's 15 mil a year 🤦
@Paulaston77 Just check out for the list of those teams that made profits last year then you will get the reality. First of all Arsenal can't get the players they want minus splashing the cash in this transfer without breaking the FFP & PSR rules.
@lnspectormukfai8291 it's just not meant to be for arsenal this year...the good thing is these owners won't sack arteta so he'll get another go next year. I still believe we will win something 🤔🙏spending or not.
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Its my birthday tomorrow and i hope they dont lose to United. That would just suck
Could be worse, I spent my 18th birthday watching Arsenal lose 2-1 away to Brighton…
I could top both of you, it's my birthday on Thursday...... The day after the night we face spurs 😂
Hope they don't let you down bro hopefully you have a good birthday 🙏🏼🔴⚪
Is not looking good brev’
Asking for trouble with that statement lol
I strongly suspect Arsenal won't sign anyone this January.
I strongly believe that you’re right 👍🏾 will have to wait until summer 🤷🏽♂️
@leonbell5141 then have another rubbish summer too. That's the Arsenal way
If we’re lucky, perhaps a left back!
@@leonbell5141and then refuse to buy a decent striker over a couple of million … winning nothing under this manager.
Not a sausage.
It’s not Arteta though, it’s the owners. Rice’s price has ongoing consequences.
Really disappointed in MA's response to the fact the team has scored 1 or 0 goals in 13/30 games This Season. That is a damning stat of significant sample size. It's no longer pundit/fan noise, the reality is there, the squad needs reinforcements in attack, Especially with BS injured.
I admire Charles for pointing this out rather than the usual sycophantic questions from most journalists: “what do you think of the FA cup”?
Yes there has been much more spent on defenders. We would never have been in ANY title races without that. If we'd have spent 300m on forwards and not defenders we'd have still be battling for top 4 for the last few years. I think the priority NOW should be forwards, but I don't like that people are getting on Arteta's back about spending on defenders in the past, it was absolutely essential to spend on defence (and goalkeepers) in previous windows.
5 goalkeepers?
@@Touristvisa1 Agreed, squad is being rebuilt from back through to front. When money available for next phase we'll spend.
BTW transfers are a group decision not an Arteta one.
We got 5 left backs and no attack
@@ezigweedu left because Arteta had too much power
@leonbell5141 Oh really? Is that what Edu told you? Nothing to do with having even more responsibility, higher position? How many times a week do you chat with him then?
Predicted XI i would go for
Raya/Timber,Saliba,Gabriel,Calafiori/Partey,Rice,Odegaard/Trossard,Martinelli,Havertz
Mikel will go with the strongest squad and play it safe by deploying Raya rather than Neto. Hopefully the bench isn't filled up with 4 LBs again though.
Hi Charles hope you had a good day..
Just an idea and I haven't looked at the figures. But with the defence changing more this season game to game than the last 2 it's a possibility that this has lead to more fear from the rest of the team to push forward as we haven't looked as strong and secure at the back...
To be fair, with Saka and Martinelli being the main guys (until Martinelli's form dropped off) it was difficult to sign backups for them hence low attacking spend.
what do you mean difficult, man city have a best goal scorer but are looking to add marmoush, liverpool have luis diaz on the left but they were looking (but missed) kvara, thats what big teams do, they add quality to the squad. arsenal are just reactive not proactive, they wait until something happens then they do things
He has started the Arsene Wenger cover up for the owner since they have given him astronomical wages.
Both Mikel and Wenger spoke openly about the financial restrictions imposed on them by the owners lol
Isak was available at the the same time and for about the same amount as Havertz, Arteta made his choice.
If Arteta truly believes the club is hampering his ability to build a truly title winning squad and he is principled, then why doesn’t he resign?
Hiya Charles, Happy birthday for your daughter and safe journey for y’all. I hope we bounce back ASAP, as I’ve seen Man U at Enfield; it isn’t an easy match. Well, let’s get behind our team that we all love. COYG❤️
Your t-shirt was frozen haha made me laugh that did we do wanna hear about that Charles 😂😂😂🥶❄️👕❄️
Just like our title chances.
We need someone who can play both rw/lw and then a st
Kudus comes to mind when it comes playing right wing and left wing. but if it makes sense arsenal won't do it
Why did we even bother with Sterling if we don't even play him? He must be the laziest player going if Arteta doesn't even consider him at all. A truly shocking signing.
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
The club charge over £12 for a hotdog and a beer. Don't let the money excuse slide
😂😂 So you want to tell us that whoever comes to watch must eat the hot dog? Some things don't add up at all. Arsenal need to sell players, get sponsorships and not the hot dogs you're mentioning here
@lnspectormukfai8291 reading comprehension not your strongest asset
£12 doesn’t sound too bad actually.
Crying about £12 for beer and hotdogs, who buy that anyway, you don't have to buy it,put your health first mate
@@lnspectormukfai8291 You've failed to comprehend the original comment and as such have no frame of reference to respond. Well done for trying though.
The squad definitely needs a Striker and possibly two. Other than that is a uniquely balanced squad. In the summer we need a creative mid fielder
I'm lookin at Arteta's comments from the press conference and have a spooky feelin of deja vu.
I have an impending feelin of doom with regards possible transfers in January and I strongly suspect that there will be little or no action in the January window.
Arsenal's season and Arteta's future is basically going to be decided over the next three games.
Lose to Man Utd, Spurs and Villa and the season is arguably over.
Nah Arteta could lose the next 10 games and still be safe the Kranks are imbedded with Arteta 🤷🏽♂️
Arteta isn't leaving, there is nothing wrong with him
Happy birthday 🎂 to your daughter Charles
Is it possible we have done the Sesko deal in principle/verbally for next season with Eddie leaving late.... Which is why we could have limitations
we need a forward now to rescue our season, not in the summer.
@@amisco333 I hear you, and I agree. Just thinking that we may of done an agreement and even with Sesko we would need a wide player/another attacker. But maybe that killed the funds. Because I cannot see what is this limitation.
@@Khannonball The limitations are artificial. Kroenke's are not investing as much as fans think they are compared to what they are reaping. There is more money going out of the club than coming in and they want to keep it that way. That is why they come up with all these excuses.
@amisco333 maybe your right and the "limitations" are just words. But recent years we have spent. The rice signing shows we can spend big. But we have tried to be sustainable and that's maybe the limitation that we don't want to live on the edge. PSR did limit many clubs in the summer, but its been shown that's not the case with us, unless something has been agreed for next season.
I don't get the feeling owners a sucking the club dry (like Uniteds) they have updated training grounds and stadium, looking to expand the stadium too. It's a asset, and a successful asset is worth more.
But they don't do Chelsea and what City do, the big and quick signing (maybe they did with pepe). Or buy their way out, they have the money and I feel definitely should of done more in the summer. Something isn't right and we come to that stage again where players need to leave and we have to get new ones.
@@Khannonballthese owners are not invested in the club like most people think unlike their other NBA team the D. Nugget. they are okay with top 4 and making that champions league money. if the owners are not sucking the club dry and are not making investment which they should, it means they are fine with what they see( not interested enough)/
updated training ground?! the same training ground thet the England national team refused to train at cause it's a parking lot and may cause injuries( which we have seen players that were not injury prone before coming to arsenal being injure prone)
Good morning Charles. 🙏 praying for a good game against man utd. Not too worried about how many goals we score or do not score. Just a good performance and a 1-0 win will be ok for me.
I know it sounds bad, but if we lose would it prompt the fans to get onto this club to finally do things in the transfers market in January to get over the line, the fact we are not linked with Kvaraskhelia is worry.
@@bluavenger2419
Your no Arsenal fan.
@@paulmelham9223 Arsenal 3 Man united 0
@@moviegooner49 I'm more of an Arsenal fan than you will ever be, I worked at Arsenal for 4 years in the stadium, I have had a working partnership in regards to grassroots football.
I have been at more finals supporting arsenal in Wembley than you, please don't say I'm not a fan, I love this club and that's why I can't stand to see it run like shit again.
If we have to lose for success I'm all for it.
@bluavenger2419
Yeah sure. Worked at Arsenal 😂
You a chelsea fan in disguise
We need left winger ,central midfielder and forward
Seems to me Miles might matchup better against Amad and Califiori against Kulesevski. Meanwhile as far as Arteta's 'limitations' comment, obviously only he knows what it means but it seems logical he might be a suggesting the club is not prepared to drop 150 million on Isak and Newcastle is not going to sell him at this point either.
What on earth was the point of taking Sterling on loan? We are paying this guy nearly 100k per week and for what? The summer transfer window was poor for us, and here we are one third of the way through this transfer window with no new players in. Woeful!
Mikel could easily be a "spokesperson" for Spain/EU, and would probably increase efficiency and effectiveness ...
If arsenal do not sign any attacker with the quality on the market at the moment. We are not a serious club and do not deserve to win anytime
Who’s ‘on’ the market? Rashford? Lol
@Darrahsdriftgarage there's Omar marmoush, kvarastelia, even Rashford is better than martinelli tbh...
@@naruchimo2607 Rashford doesn't track back so a waste of money
We had other attacking options, Arteta froze them out, Nketiah, ESR, Nelson even Bierith. Arteta is more of a problem than most realise.
Are they realmy on the market or allegedly on the market? How many teans sell their top players in January knowing they can't replace them?@@naruchimo2607
GOYG ⚪🔴
I don't want Arteta spending more millions. His ineptitude has got in too much deadwood already!
to be fair to Bayindir , Onana was also scored on directly from a corner.
The board will be held accountable if we fail to invest In the forward line this January and end up in the same position in May . Need someone either on right or left or centrally . It’s pure neglect and this manager will ultimately pay the price
I don't think artera will pay the price, but if they dont give him what he needs, i fear he will not stay. I don't think they will do anything this transfer window. I think the board wants to see how this season goes. But if they dont get him a world class striker in the summer, then the 25/6 season will be his last.
@ I agree with you but he hasn’t helped him self backing the kroenkes and saying they’re the best owners in the world when we all know it’s gaslighting fans and his team selection and tactics this season has been shocking too they are all accountable just a shame the club is gonna let another season drift without bringing in the needed personnel . I personally don’t like this ownership there’s a reason we haven’t won anything since they been here
@efeegbra9190 but he had to back them because when he had a rough start, they backed him and didn't get rid of him. Also, for team selection, i think with injuries, it's just not for us this season. All our slump games came first when odegard was out and now our star boy. I dont want to give up on the season but im already looking at next season. I just pray they get us that golden striker in the summer. And someone to replace thomas partey in midfield.
@@efeegbra9190 also to be fair to the kronks since they took 100% of the club they have invested every year.
@ fair but the fans will need someone to blame agree and for me it’s this ownership . I agree with you but I’m tired of not winning can’t believe we keep saying next season when will it end . There must be accountability at the end of the season . Look how fans are crying for a signing it’s unfair
Charles’s question was good and Mikel’s response was rubbish. Charles placed the figures in front of him and he couldn’t respond wisely. We had the best defense in the league last year/ season and he still spent money to add a player in the defense. So if we scored the most goals last season why didn’t he still invest in the attack as he did to an already good defense?
Our problem isn’t that Arsenal is broke, it’s that Mikel makes the wrong choices. Give him a 100m and I bet you he’d sign a GK and defensive players instead of the attacking players we all know we need. It’s his mindset, he is heavily defensively focused and doesn’t want to deal with the ego of a big name CF or AM.
Ødegaard better not drop another stinker tomorrow.
Fluff and no ambition from Arsenal. Average ambitions, average fan base, average football club.
That’s why they will never sign if you’re top quality players without letting their existing top quality players go
Average fanbase very Tottenham like - happy go lucky no ambition and happy to be in the mix
city has just got done with 2 signings for january. and there is arteta saying "very difficult to get players in january". am i to understand arteta has better knowledge than pep ?
Finance experts have said Arsenal have no PSR or FFP issues Infact we are in a very healthy position. This hesitancy to spend is from the higher ups and they are briefing the media about “limitations” albeit these are self imposed and not out of necessity
Arsenal are in trouble i am really worried. We badly need a lw upgrade and more creativity centrally
That LW upgrade will transform the team. Right now we are too predictable
@Larry-lv7dz yeah but thats not gonna happen until summer. I dont think people realise how bad trossard and martinelli have been, they dont get in any top 6 team
You need to calm down and revert to your way of thinking for the last 5 years
In Arteta We Trust
@GaryClark-o9p i havnt changed my way of thinking but our squad is so weak offensively and that wont be fixed in jan, no chance. Make no mistake we arnt winning anything this season
@@supercellgenius9302 But you have, in your own words, "the best manager in world football today" who you've been noshing off for the last 5 years so why the sudden change?
Sorry to repeat what is already known: The owners of Arsenal are traditional american businessmen and making money is the primary, the only consideration. They do not have the same passions, emotions, or desires as fans. Will they take risks to win? No. Will they be devastated if Arsenal don't win? No. Arsenal are just an investment for them, the same as a stock or bond. They could own Tottenham, an ice hockey team, or an apartment complex, and they would feel the same as they do about owning Arsenal. That doesn't mean Arsenal won't ever win. Liverpool's owners follow the same model, and they win. However, it is difficult when competing against clubs with owners who don't care about losses (City, Chelsea under Abromovich) or who follow high-risk/reward models of investing (Chelsea under Boehly, et al.
They own teams that have hoisted Super Bowl trophies, Stanley Cups, and NBA Championship trophies. Whole lotta winnin goin on with in the portfolio. Btw… most successful business models include making money.
@tclem2069 One of each. American sports teams, completely different models. I'm not impressed. And the last 10 years in the PL? City, Chelsea, and 2 outliers, Leicester and Liverpool. Liverpool made wise use of a ridiculous fee for Coutinho and Leicester was a sports miracle.
@@tclem2069They don’t care about English football. Barely turn up to watch the games if at all. No fucking ambition when this team is crying out for reinforcements. We better complain now instead of waiting for Saka and Saliba to leave as they won’t be extending with 2 years left on their contract this summer. 3 seasons in a row without winning silverware, you think they’ll tie themselves down for more? No.
Time to get serious and invest in the team before fans start protesting for them (KSE) to leave the club.
My hunch Arsenal won't buy and with Saka out watch for defeat and decline.
Arteta bought Havertz instead of Isak the End.
Hey Charles, I'd like to see a lot of rotation tomorrow. The team I'd pick is:
Neto
Timber Saliba Calafori Zinny
Jorge
Odegaard Havertz
Sterling Jesus Martineli
Odegaard Jorgie and Zinny cutting the United Defence with passes for Sterling and the little gabis to run in behind. I know I was overconfident with the Newcastle predictions, but I'm going to go again 4 or 5-1 Arsenal 😂😂 Mon da Gunners
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Highly amusing on so many levels
Morning
When Arteta talks about quality players rather than quantity and just signing bodies what went wrong with Vierra Havertz Lokongo Tavares Runnarsson Luiz Kibior Zinchenko Marquineous William Jorgeinio Neto maybe Merino Tommi injuries and I'm sure there are more disaster signings.
Raya has to be no 1 we need to win this game this could be the most important game of the season.
Charles do you think Edu and Arteta fell out over the Merino signing given that Edu said he was concerned about signing players over 28.
Gday Charles great show as usual, can’t say the same for some of the negative nancys commenting here. You wouldnt believe we are second in the league despite serious injuries to our best players and several points dropped due to dodgy VAR, what do these ‘fans’ want from Arteta FFS
My starting would be,
Raya
Timber, Saliba, Gabi, Calafori
Odegaard, Rice, Merino
Jesus, havertz, Martinelli
We need this win to kick start the week. Coyg
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
Arsenal will sign no one if you listen to what Arteta said he was very politically astute on saying we don’t have the money spend basically the owners will not back him in this transfer window.
City are making movements in this transfer window to turn their season around. They’re signing a prolific attacker when they already have Haaland.
The club cannot say there are no options out there in this window. There looks to be some really high quality attackers available but we are not being linked with any of them, what is going on?!
If Trossard starts, we will not score! He is an impact player only. Calafiori at LB, Timber RB, Gabriel & Saliba in Middle. Midfield Partey, Rice & Odegaard, Attack Martinelli, Havertz & Jesus.
Nar……..Wilson, Rice, McNab, Simpson, McLintock, Storey, Graham, Armstrong, George, Radford, Kennedy………….Real men, they didn’t bottle things!
We have limitation on Arteta annual wages too. 2nd highest in the world of football?
Arteta never answers a single question with a straightforward answer. He’s like a politician.
I keep repeating my self, We have no money to spend, UNLESS Stan or the bank advance the money. We have to balance the books ie; sell before we buy. It must be obvious to most on here.
Aeteta is not stupid, he can see the frustration of the fans for a couple of obvious positions. If he had ready money he would spend it. So we will keep being fed links from the Arsenal PR desk to keep the fans exciting. End of the window , "we run out of time" or in comes a freebi. In case they find some money down the back of the sofa !! Buy Kvaratskhelia Arteta Quote. "If any one comes on the market who will improve the club" Well here he is !! Dont hold your breath.
@greyhound1racing - makes sense; and if I don't know if/how long some of the current [or relatively recent] player's purchases have been amortized, what we received from ESR, Eddie, Aaron, et al., doesn't square up to what we spent the previous 18 mos. It SEEMs, sometimes, peeps think the club is a 'bottomless' $ pit - or don't take the league's financial regs into account...
I expect very little this Jan maybe a loan or two or a very lucky signing of a player is very unhappy elsewhere. Worryingly we still haven’t got a new technical director in yet and I expect that soon not at the beginning of the summer window they’ll have had long enough to appoint someone. Of in the summer it’s a poor window I want the Kroenkes out and won’t accept any excuse they’ll have failed big time as owners if we are pissing around this summer in the transfer market.
When are the arsenal fan base going to realise there will be no signings in January
Maybe a loan signing for a washed up chelsea or man city has been it's only gona be like this wile the kroenkies own the club
Yeah clearly the money isn’t being made available and Arteta has to be the front man who will shoulder that. However, even when he does hold an interest in a player I’m not always convinced it’s the right allocation of resources like now the desire for Nico Williams to be the next big signing in the summer. That’s a player that again you can just tell won’t be ready to take Arsenal to the next level and we’d need someone with a more proven track record of performing for his club week in week out at the top of their league
Blar Blar Blar………..Arteta has way too much power & arrogance now! The more he is told by fans & media he needs strikers the more he will ignore.
Charles, you need to call the lack of action out more than you actually are. If i didn’t know better I’d say you were a mouth piece for the club
He's a reporter who happens to be a AFC fan not a child so needs to balanced he's already said we need transfer. Go to AFTV if you want that ranting type content
I won't be surprised Arteta get sacked at the end of the season. We need to sign world class manager
I feel we won't make any transfer ins this month. Arteta has no sporting director like Edu to get things over the line.
Hi Charles what about in 2018 when Josh said be excited and Arteta saying we need to maximise every window, seems Arteta now is just like wenger was, a puppet for the board
The team of stingy Kroenkes and stubborn Arteta, useless club
Some folks just want to challenge, not win. How can you be okay with a disproportionate amount of spending on defenders when it achieved absolutely nothing!!
Limitations are probably FFP. That's the limitation on most big clubs owned by billionaires.
Okay, but to be fair, had Mr. Havertz not been moved up front, more money would have been spent on the forward line since.
And don’t you dare deprive us of updates about your laundry and etc. Mr. Watts!
After spunking/wasting 65mill and 275k a week on Havertz, where's the money for a proper striker?
He wasted 65m on Havertz and he has the audacity to have a dig at the board .
Mikels starting to sound like a company man unfortunately
Since the start of the season I noticed the change of tune with him - new contract signed seems very comfortable
Zidane saw that Odegard was not good enough for Real Madrid, so they sent him to Real Sociedad, where he could play well and without pressure. At Arsenal, there is pressure every day, so the signing policy should be focused on established players and not young players who cannot handle the pressure and responsibility of the club.

Shut up 😂
Every business, every organization and every individual has limitations - I don't place any significance on what he said there. The biggest impediment to getting what we all want is desire! Does Arteta want a striker? If he does, he will get the board support. If he doesn't, he will get the board support - for now.
You should know by now Arteta won’t give anything away on any front.
Let tgem loose they are not a serious club jst boycott everything buying jackets ,tickets and the owners will feel the pinch i blane u fans you are also not serious enough to for e things to happen if you really like the club and you are serious about it
Play the same team to Newcastle
I hope Arsenal crash out of the competition.... seriously need to get our weaknesses in the open....if we win, the owners and the coach will fall back to their cozy couch and the same cycle will turn again. Wait for summer.....ooooh oooh too much wait for January...ooh ooh too much let's wait for summer again. Oh no our best players are out of contract so let's sell them before they run out of contract. Oh no we have to rebuild again.....meanwhile other clubs are winning silverwares effing heck. This will probably get the coach the sack and then the whole "dance" begins again. Let's not forget that the Kroenkes effectively sacked our legendary manager Arsene Wenger with their austere approach.
Unpopular opinion- i hope,and want us, to win tomorrow but i ain't going to lose my 💩if we get knocked out because with the injuries we already have I'm not sure we can cope with any extra games.
How can you put havertz money under the attacking budget when artera even said he was bought in as a midfielder?
Why didn’t you ask Arteta why did we have 4 left backs on the bench against Newcastle and 1 forward in sterling who’s barely kicked a ball for us.
Arteta is being vague as he can't out his bosses. But we needed a striker when he bought Havertz instead of Isak and overpaid his salary.
This is such a disingenuous comment.
There was no option to buy Isak OR Havertz. Isak was not available then when we bought Havertz. He was already at Newcastle and had come off an injury hit season.
Or LIMITATIOS OF GOOD PLAYERS THIS WINTER.
Hi Charles, why do Arsenal historically faff about with getting new players in? The likes of Chelsea and City do their respective business early but we act like a small club with no money. Jonesey
Hard to say, its a trophyless season for the fans, accept that, Farteta and co getting simply wages. Same reasons everyear, Saliba saka are emeey materiaal, city wil overcome every one and win the league znd more. Just trust thd process.
If Rashford becomes our highest paid player i will go mad... 🤬
This man said a forward is not priority? I'm going to make it a point to avoid all Arsenal news from now, Arteta will ruin this club and all the hardwork he has achieved with this stubborness 😭
HIGH WATTAGE ⚡⚡⚡
Hi Charles 👋, I hope all is good 👋 👦 ☺️ 👍 😊 🙏. After the performance of Liverpool vs Manchester United. Arsenal needs to be at their best because the Gunners have to challenge for the FA Cup. Right now Arsenal and Manchester United have won the FA Cup 14 times ⏲️. COYG to beat Manchester United God willing and win 🏆 the FA Cup for the 15th time ⏲️. Have a great day out with your family Charles 😂. Arsenal rocks 🏆 🙏 🤲 🪨 🎸 😀.
Why is Sterling here? Maybe someone should ask Arteta that question. It makes no sense. Another cast off, and apparently we have “limitations” buying a top class striker… we really shouldn’t have limitations, they have the money just not the will. What are we a retirement home.
You could be the world's richest man, and not get the lover you want without breaking laws.
People who think the same doesn't apply in football make me laugh.
People have the right to say no.
Money has never been a problem at Arsenal. The lack of ambition is the problem. Shopping in Chelsea's dumpster year after David Luiz and Willian is an example of what gets fans upset. Let's face it, compared to other clubs, Arsenal have tons of money, it's how they use it that drives fans mad. Players that would improve us are often ignored for unknown reasons. When Kai Havertz signed i thought it would cost Mikel his career at Arsenal and sadly in more convinced of that, now more than ever.
💯 agreed Arsenal have always lacked the conviction to go after top players
I think it depends what you expect from the club. Are we tier 1 club? Then we don’t behave like that. Signing unwanted players and trying to turn them into better players is not what the biggest clubs do. Lets say we are tier 2 club and it will all make sense.
Stop apologising, Charles😅
Its pathetic the way we play, the way we take our corners, like its the only way we can win. Anti football. Merino and Calafiori where bad adds to our team. Boring Arsenal is back in town
Raya not been great tbh, good with the ball at his feet but his shot stopping is pretty poor. Don’t remember the last big Save he made
Probably because we don’t really concede that many shots.
Should we play Raya as quarter back?
@@norwegiantacoeater9115 but when we do it he nice got him to make a big save, feel like if they can get a shot away likelihood it’s going in. Tell me the last great save? Or a save that’s kept us the 3 pts. Because I can’t
How was it the Gunners got Man U all the other sides top 6 played lower league teams . What are you going to miss, buddy. We are not going to bring anyone in 😅😅
Who was you expecting we'd get in the draw?
Sydney Swans or Collingwood?
Are u afraid of playing man u?
@chikodiliezeorah1110 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
@@GaryClark-o9p GO the swañs mug 🍺
@@dereksymes9090 Up there Cazaly ❤
Arsenal wasnt in UCL for 7 years, people expect everything so fast. I dont see into Arsenal finances, but i am pretty sure, they just dont want to smash every transfer window 100-180m for someone, i feel like they wanna do things smartly. Previous season we were so close to title and our weakest spot was LB on the field, so they bought Calafiori. Everyone screaming we need striker, but Havertz was doing pretty good in that position. Currently we are not in the best form but its gonna improve, i would rather see new RW to backup Saka, and maybe another 8, because Merino is not good enough there and Rice is better on 6.
Given our luck right now, i expect a draw, just so that we can lose at old trafford and lose saliba for the rest of the season.
Charles your a staunch arteta supporter fine!! At what point will you decide enough is enough with arteta. This season is falling apart slowly but defeat tomorrow will have it in ribbons. It would be interesting to hear your opinion
They club have chucked in the towel on winning the EPL title this season. This is why we WON'T be making the necessary signings this January. All other narratives are excuses and smokescreens to keep fans engaged until next season. Sadly, the Club's ambition does not currently match the ambitions of the fans yet again.
Just do NOT pick Trossard then we will win a football match. Yes he has been that bad this season !!
If we dont sign no one, we throw the season away, Netflix fc innit?
Not excited at all for the rest of the season. And has for arteta he needs to go in the summer 100 per cent
Arsenal have shown there true colours they’re happy with 2-4 place they don’t need to win to be successful in profits and I’m starting to think we’re being taken for fools including you Charles going off some of the stuff I’ve heard you say
We spend 700 in the last five years. More than we ever spend. Yet you think the club are happy for top 4😂
Do you still live with your parants, because you dont think about psr or constantly losing money. And last we done for years now.
Yes we need to get a player in but think before you write. Its about being sensible.
@@moviegooner49 We spend 700 in the last five years to win 1 FA cup
Are you happy with that?
@@DaveRichards-q9l man, don’t be an idiot
@@moviegooner49think before I write? What sort of mug are you ? Honestly the delusion from you and sheer confidence in writing such nonsense is the problem with this fan base, why has Mikel stopped saying we will maximise every window then after signing his contract now says we will look at internal solutions.. honestly your an embarrassment
@@moviegooner49news flash clubs spend money to compete. Instead of being an accountant you should aim higher for owners who prioritise the club being successful
Kvaratskhelia or bust
So many trolls on this channel. Just people with no life, making themselves feel better. Its just sad.
@@moviegooner49 says the biggest troll. Talking about psr.. after Mikel signed a 15 million a year contract.. wake up fool
@singerpour6946 You dont have clue. (PSR) previously known as Financial Fair Play (FFP). The aim of the regulations is the same; to police clubs' finances and ensure they do not lose too much money.
And you talking about only 15 mil a year🤦. Educate yourself
@singerpour6946
Profit and Sustainability Regulations (PSR) previously known as Financial Fair Play (FFP). The aim of the regulations is the same; to police clubs' finances and ensure they do not lose too much money.
And you are talking about Arteta's salary; That's 15 mil a year 🤦
Arteta lovers
@@moviegooner49 your missing the point but carry on with your emojis
Neto who ??
It's strange how there is no limitations on what fans spend. Money they don't generally have.
Average FC again.
Is Arsenal among those clubs that do make profits en how much is it?
@lnspectormukfai8291 they make more money than most certainly not limited, no excuses
@Paulaston77 Just check out for the list of those teams that made profits last year then you will get the reality. First of all Arsenal can't get the players they want minus splashing the cash in this transfer without breaking the FFP & PSR rules.
@lnspectormukfai8291 it's just not meant to be for arsenal this year...the good thing is these owners won't sack arteta so he'll get another go next year. I still believe we will win something 🤔🙏spending or not.
All this manager does is talk in riddles and waffles. He even confuses himself.
We are all crying out for signing and kronke's has been generous, but why continue giving this stubborn novice more money to waste.
We replaced Auba with Jesus and bought Fabio Viera and is paying Sterling for nothing