Mixing vs. Kneading Bread in a Stand Mixer
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- When making bread in a stand mixer, the mixing and kneading steps often blur. It is important to be sure your machine is truly kneading the bread and not just doing a prolonged mixing. We show both mixing and kneading in the Kitchen Aid and in the Ankarsrum stand mixers.
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Pam, thank you for your lessons in canning and bread. I’m 69 years old retired teacher and speech therapist. I have learned to bake bread and can food! This video is great as I use my kitchen aid to mix/knead. Of course I wasn’t doing it exactly correct. Somehow it comes out great anyway. I will add the resting 20 min. Thank you again for all of your hard work you truly are a national treasure!
I am a home baker (sourdough, yeasted breads, laminated breads, pizza) and have been making bread for the past 45 years. It wasn't until I learned 10 years ago about the autolyse process and kneading the dough until I could pull it to the "window pane" stage that I was able to take my game to the next level. I am so glad you made this video! I hove all of your viewers take your guidance to heart when baking bread.
Thank you for your comments. Jim
Making bread for 35 years without knowing about windowpane test. Wow...
Most of the time I do the kneading with my hands. I love the process. I totally understand that there are those that for various reasons want the machine to do the kneading.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences with us.
And, thank you Jim for being the "voice" of the audience. I couldn't help but laugh because she couldn't hear us saying yes.
You need to put the kitchen aid on speed 2, I make bread in mine daily and it is recommended you set it to 2, I never have this problem, the bowl is always spotless. 😊
This was something I really didn’t think I’d benefit from so much, but I did! I used a kitchenaid, and I now realize why my bread baking was a hit or a miss. Thanks for creating this video. Thank You.
Ok can we all admit the using the shopping bags instead of fussing with clingwrap is brilliant?
One of the most important things your community needs to know about bread making is don't give up. Experienc and practice help you know the right consistency of the dough. I have been tweeking a recipe for over 50 years and I think it is perfect. I can use any combination of wheat and white or all of both. My loaves always look beautiful which is important to me. I can make it in less thatn 2 hours. On a warm sunny day is can be quicker. I have made hundred of loaves. I love your videos and the scientific approach you take to cooking. You are doing a great work. I think people that know how to cook with basics will be better off in the futures. We need more people like you. Thanks
I'm 70 can't knead much by hand anymore. I just turn up the Kitchenaid so it slaps the sides of the bowl. I got to hold on to it but it works for me. Not much choice these days. Thanks for sharing your experience with both types of mixers.
VERY useful! I'm in my 60's and never had the 'whys' and whens explained as well as you have done. I'm hoping I can 'read' my dough better in the future :)
This bread lesson has been eye opening. I have made bread for years, and now I know the rest of the story, a more complete story. Thank you , for all the time you pour into your research and sharing the results
Pam I have a kitchen aid and hated that dough hook someone gave me another kitchen aid and it had the s hook. What a difference. I just keep adding a little flour at a time until it’s absorbed all the flour and then I let it knead.
Yes, I think the lift bowls all get the S hook now in aluminum or stainless steel
I have a Bosch bread maker for 30 years and LOVE it. I always grind my own flour and make 5 loaves per batch and freeze 4 or share with family.
Wow! Your machine makes that many loaves! Awesome.
Sounds great! Jim
@@RoseRedHomestead. I have the Nutrimill Artiste. Do you know why they require only a single rise, not two?
You mean a Bosch Mixer, right? Does Bosch sell bread makers? I couldn't find one.
This is a very informative video. I mill my own flour & had no idea that my KitchenAid wasn’t really kneading the dough. Thanks!
Great video! You can read all kinds of recipes but being able to visually see what it should look like at different times in making it is so helpful. Thank you for sharing and teaching us so much! Plus I love it when Jim decides to chime in. 😆 You two have such a fun relationship. 💖
I am grateful that you give us the reasons WHY we need to do the steps we do!😊
Thank you! Jim
I think too, that I don’t have as much riding the hook bc I make large dough recipes. Happens sometimes, but usually works it’s way up the hook & folds over.
I've had the Ankarsrum since 1991 and I've never used the hook, only the roll-thing. Ankarsrum is, in my opinion, the ultimate machine for the kitchen. I love it!
When I got mine it was not called Ankarsrum but Elektrolux - but it's the same machine. Electrolux sold it to Ankarsrum.
It’s very expensive but a nice machine
So love the humor that Jim ads to this your guyses interaction makes me smile everytime thank you
Your research and teaching skills are stellar. However, the best blessing is that Jim makes you giggle. I’m in the same boat. “Ain’t life grand”
This is so helpful. I love that you explain the reasons for the different steps and the results we should see.
Knowing the answers to the whys is so empowering.
I had a brainstorm today and it's not about breadmaking, but maybe you want to use my trick. I was canning meat today and my hands always get so tired from trying to pack the chunks of meat down into the jars. I have a VitaMix blender and it has a plastic plunger. That plunger worked so well with my funnel helping to push the meat down as I filled the jars to try to eliminate a lot of air pockets.
That is awesome! But, you still need to debubble once you add the liquid. Jim
I have the exact same Kitchen Aid & make a lot of bread. But always start with the yeast, water & sugar & let it bloom(even tho I use instant yeast)bc I buy it in bulk, store it in the freezer. So, this method was foreign for me. I do understand though, the rest period allows the yeast to active while the flours absorb the liquid & develop the gluten. Makes sense.
Thank you. I just bought an Ankarshrum! KitchenAid does not knead bread! Sorry! I had KitchenAid years ago - 1st one burnt out, 2nd was drudging so I sold it and bought a Bosch which I used for years. I was unhappy with the center column in the Bosch, so tried the Ankarshrum. There’s a big difference in the quality of the dough with it. I make 6 1 3/4 lb loaves at a time. It’s child’s play for the Ankarshrum!
You sound like you are much happier with your Ankasrum. Jim
With my Kitchenaid, I use my paddle until the last addition of flour, then switch to dough hook. It seems to get to the point of kneading much faster than using the dough hook for the entire process.
I saw that you used the paddle attachment. I had called KitchenAid because the dough hook wasn't doing the job. They said to use the paddle attachment also...
Such a helpful comment 😊
Same here.
My Kitchenaid Pro 600 6qt has a paddle with a bowl scraper and I would use that first then the dough hook!
This is very helpful. I just made my first batch in my KitchenAid and got real frustrated at the dough hook. I’m going to try doing it this way next time.
Hey, for my fellow KitchenAid enthusiasts, here's how I resolved that issue: I used a flathead screwdriver to adjust the height of the attachment between the spinning mechanism and the base. There's a screw in the middle that controls this adjustment. You need to lower it as much as possible to bring the hook closer to the bowl, ensuring a thorough kneading. Occasionally, you might need to reverse it slightly for regular mixing.
My Kitchen aid doesn't do this at all. But it's am old model and the bowl isn't so round. Something to watch out for if I ever need to buy a new one. Thank you!
Hi Pam, I used to make homemade bread a lot, but haven't been doing it recently. One thing I did back then was buy a newer design bread hook (the spiral dough hook) for the kitchen aid that mixed the dough better than the old design (or the C-hook design), what you have there. It makes a WORLD of difference. (Although sometimes the dough will split in two pcs and then I have to merge them together again). Just thought I'd mention it, it might be worth looking into.
The spiral hook is a game changer! When my dough splits in two, I just wait for it to come back together. It always does in a minute or two. 😉
I find that when using a kitchen aid for making dough. It helps to have it on level 2 or 3 as that causes the dough to slam against the sides.
Your videos help this visual learner improve my skills in the kitchen and in the garden. Thank you!
That's great! Jim
Love my Ankarsrum ! Here’s what I have learned with mine over the years. The hook is useless! ( it was added when they presented it to the USA market Americans thought they needed it even though it had been used with just paddle and scrapper for years). Next I learned the exact amount of fresh milled flour it needed and I never add any more at any point. And I learned ( the hard way patience is a great thing both by not adding flour and not “ helping” it scrape 😐 if I let it do it’s job it will do it perfectly without my “ help” 🙂just keep my hands off even if I don’t want to do that. Also I don’t start roller in center. I start it on side completely against side and hand move it to grab the center if needed without stopping machine,then as it’s getting all the flour in I stop it let it rest as you do then move roller to about an inch away from side to knead. Also learned if I add flour too quickly it wants to climb the roller. Just my experience with mine in my surroundings. Love the machine for sure.
Thank you for your extended knowledge about using your Ankarsrum. Jim
Great as always, helps me tremendously with my bread making skills and my kitchen aid #3. Love you and jim being silly and laughing together, my hubby is like Jim, keeps me giggling regularly.
Our pleasure! Jim
Love my ank with the roller!
You two are too cute! Love your giggles, Pam and love Jim’s involvement. Keep up the good work ❤
Thank you! I like participating sometimes. Jim
The "spiral" dough hook for my KA Pro Line 7qt mixer works FAR better than the "C" dough hook on my 30yo KA 5qt mixer. I have many KA mixer attachments, so I have no plans to replace this QUIET new powerful DC mixer. It is in a different league from my old KA in every respect, though the "Flex Edge" paddle beaters mean that I never need to scrape down the bowl on both mixers.
I would check the clearance between the hook and the bottom of your bowl. The adjustment is easy and may improve the performance of all 3 basic beaters if there is too much clearance.
I have the spiral hook too and it is a game changer. So much better!!
Yes, 100% agree. The spiral mixer is far better for “non-standard” breads. I use the C hook on my smaller tilt head KA to make 2 900g loaves of stock standard white bread daily, no trouble at all. But anything else goes in the big lift mixer with the spiral hook.
Great timing! I bought the last loaf of store bought bread I am buying for a while!! I'm tired of paying $2-3+ for a loaf of bread!! I did buy a new loaf pan and I have a pullman loaf pan. Going to be baking bread while I am job searching.
This video helped me understand why my bread was not rising correctly. Thank you so much for posting this.
lol......Jim cracked me up when he said "yes" 🤣🤣🤣
I bought this model of KA around 2005, give or take a few years. It worked beautifull and then I decided I wanted a new pretty colored one in around 2015, gave my older KA to my daughter and bought a new one. It is night and day, the older one is still working wonderful, but the new one I have adjusted the bowl, and anything else I can adjust and I am still having the same issues that you demonstrate here, so I knead by hand and it is getting harder for me to knead. It has been so frustrating! Also wanted to say thank you about the resting time before kneading the dough, I never knew that for my sandwich breads. I love you and Jim and always thankful for your knowlage. God bless
Thank you for this demonstration 🍞 a few years ago I bought a bread machine because I didn’t want to pay for a kitchen aid just for bread. For awhile I was just using it to make dough then I’d finish it in the oven. But now I just let it bake in the machine. But you’ve shown that the kitchen aid would have been more of a hassle to a newbie bread baker like me than it’s worth. When my bread machine starts breaking down I’ll just get another one instead of investing in a kitchen aid unless I miraculously become a full time bake all the things type of person.
I love your videos! I don't have a mixer, but I love the research you put into everything!
Thank you Pam and Jim for this video. I got tickled, when you got tickled at Jim. That was cute. I bought my Ank a couple of weeks ago and have made several loaves of bread. I love the way it kneads. I made a cake and I also love the way it mixes. It is just a great mixer.
Thanks, I enjoy throwing-in comments once in awhile. Jim
I have been trying to learn how to bake bread for about 6 years now. At best is been good- never excellent. What I’ve learned over internet has been very helpful, but what I learned today from your video intrigued me. I’ve always been suspicious that my KitchenAid mixer was not properly kneading my bread, and you confirmed this for me today. When the dough rides the dough hook, it’s not kneading! So I was never kneading my bread enough. My first proofing goes well. My most common issue is that my second proofing is usually unsuccessful in that as soon as I remove it from proofing oven, it collapses. The bread ends up tasting good, but somewhat dense. I’m very hopeful that I’ll correct my second proofing issue by kneading more. Thank you!
It sounds like you will improve your bread making skills. We are happy that we been able to assist you. Jim
I definitely prefer the roller for the Ank. I’ve switched to a Zojirushi bread machine as of late. I have to make bread more often….but, it goes so quickly. I love whole grain, homemade bread. Cannot be beat!
I guess I'll stick with my old kitchen aid. That Ankarsrum is $750!! Thanks for showing the difference between mixing and kneading. Very helpful.
I have the Bosch Compact mixer and love it! It was $139 last November with free shipping. Check out the RUclips videos on it and see what you think. If you are making many loaves of bread at a time or huge batches of cookies/cakes, this won't work but for me, it's perfect. I murdered my Kitchen Aid and it went to mixer 'heaven' as a result of grinding whole grains.
@@shirleycovey7309 I looked into using my KA for grinding grain but they said you had to have the largest motor which mine does not. I bought a mock mill. I'll check out the Bosch mixer. Thanks!
@@Teresa.McDermottI have the Nutrimill artiste which is like the Bosch. They share attachments. It requires only one rise, not two. I don’t understand.
I ended up buying a bosch but I'm also keeping my Kitchen aid. @@mchevalier-seawell4438
Thank you. Very helpful video about the qualities of dough when using whole grains..
Pam: I too have had problems with kneading in my kitchenaid mixer especially when using smaller quantities of bread dough. I have similar problems with the kitchenaid whisk attachment when trying to whip smaller quantities of heavy whipping cream. About a year ago I purchased a bosch universal mixer plus with an 800 watt motor and no longer have any of the problems I was experiencing with the kitchenaid it was slightly more expensive, but I feel it was a good investment as I am making more bread than ever before. I do still use the kitchenaid, because I have a lot of attachments for it like the graters, slicers and juice press for tomatoes.
It sounds like you have found the items you can use for your Kitchen Aid and your Bosch. Jim
You can also buy "vital wheat gluten" by itself and add 1 tablespoon to your dry ingredients. This will help immensely in the autolyze phase to develop gluten. I do this with all my bread because i use fresh ground flour which has a lesser concentration of gluten than store bought flour that had the bran sifted out. When i did this with a rye recipe it was a game changer!
Thank you so much for this video! I never had a stand mixer in my life, always made bread by hand but now that I am almost 70, my hands and arms get so sore and aren't as strong so I bought a Ventray (from Canada). What a huge help! But, if grid goes down, I do know how to make by hand. Where I would bake the bread I have no clue. LOL. Unless I make tortillas and use a pan to cook the tortillas...no need for yeast either. :)
It looks like the bowl on the kitchen aid is out of adjustment. Make sure the tabs on the bowl are at 90 degrees and square. There is an adjustment screw bebind the bowl where the bowl lifter touches the frame. Turn the screw cc to raise the bowl so the attachments just clear the bottom of the bowl. That should help to incorperate everything from the bottom of the bowl. A kithhen aid mixer can be rebuilt. Never give up on a good friend. Hope this helps. Cook on.
I love my Ankarsrum with the roller for breads and cookie dough and we also purchased the attachments! Thank you for everything you and Jim do for us!
You are so welcome! Jim
I just started baking bread with my 9 year old son. I appreciate your video.
Yay! I've been waiting on an Ankersrum video. Thank you!
Your video timing is perfect since I'm just learning making bread in my new Bosch. Now I know what to look for to ensure that my machine has kneaded the bread dough adequately. Also I've heard of autolyze but now have a better understanding of the 'why'. Thanks so much.
Wow, this was very informative and helpful. I only bake a one loaf of white bread, but will sure try and use what I have learned in this video to improve my results.
You are a natural born speaker and educator ❤❤love all you videos, especially ones on bread
Thank you! I always learn something important from your instruction!
Glad it was helpful! Jim
Going to try this next dry day. TFS, loved learning what and about the autolyse stage is. I have read about it before nevering knowing what was referred to.
Thanks for watching our channel. Jim
Thank you for a great comparison of the mixers! Also, you're so correct in mentioning that you need to watch the dough. It will still you when it is done, not the clock!
I used to have a KA mixer, and switched to an Ank a few years ago. While some people have trouble with the transition, it was easy for me, and my bread making improved tremendously, especially with whole wheat breads. I enjoy grinding my own flour for making so many things, including cinnamon rolls and English muffins.
Thanks for sharing! I am loving it!
That dough looks perfect. Looking forward to seeing the finished bread once it's bake.
Coming soon! Jim
I always learn something from watching your class. Thank you for sharing your knowledge Pam. I have some sour dough bread in the refrigerator resting until I get ready to make some pizza tomorrow.
Thank you for sharing. In a future video can you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE mention to people about NOT showing all their pantry shelves. Yes its a lot of work. Yes it is beautiful. But people need to use wisdom !! Thank you
Thanks Pam for this most helpful information*
Ankersrum is the King of bread mixers..Nothing compares to it..Simply magical. I love, love mine...
You are a terrific instructor. Very clear, concise, and enough information to remember it all.
Thanks! Jim
I learn so much from you. Thank you.
Great video! Thank you!!
Wow! This was fantastic, thank you !
You have a 6 or 7 quart bowl (mine is a 7 qt). I’m sure if you did a double batch, increasing the amount of product, the machine would do what you want. I’ve found that a single loaf recipe works fine in the smaller Kitchenaid (3.5 or 5 quart) bowl. I get great kneading action with a double loaf recipe in my 7 quart KA.
I agree with you. I have a 6 qt and it kneads 2 loaves of bread very well. I made bread by hand for many years and I go by feel to know when the dough has been kneaded enough. The resting period helps a lot particularly with home milled flour.
I also start with the liquid in my kitchenaid and the add the flour. I find that works better for me.
I love your testing videos. Excellent and learned a lot! Thank you!
Thank you for your videos. I’ve been making bread for years in my Kitchen Aid stand mixer and I find that it kneads very well if you are doing two loaves as a time (5-6 cups flour). Single loaves don’t work as well for me. My mom had one of the machines like your other one and made five loaves a week in one batch and she loved it.
Sounds great! Jim
I raised my kids on homemade cinnamon rolls using between 5 & 6 cups of flour as part of the ingredients. Never, ever had a failed batch. Made 2 9x13 cake pans that raised very well. However, I usually started out with roughly 2 cups of flour and the other dry ingredients mixed well with the paddle attachment. Then I added the wet ingredients all at once. After that, I beat the thick dough on high for 30 seconds to develop the gluten. Then I took off the paddle hook & put on the dough hook. I let It work on low speed as I added 1/4 cup of flour at a time till the flour was used up. I never let the dough get stiff. So the dough didn't always need 6 cups of flour. It all depends on the humidity of the kitchen. The kneading time was at least 5 minutes or until I could do the stretch test that Pam did. Only I just reached into the bowl and pulled on the dough.
After that , I greased the bowl and let it rise in warm spot.
BTW, eggs give a rich taste to white flour bread.
We are happy that your method is working out for you. Jim
I love it when Jim makes comments, delightful!
Wow, such a great explanation for what is wrong with my old Kitchen-aid mixer. Now I know to mix, let the dough rest and then knead. If the mixer isn't doing the job, finish by hand. Hopefully my bread will turn out better now. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Jim
Thank you so much for the excellent demonstration and explanation of the hows and whys. I'm still a newbie in bread making and need all the help I can get.
Thanks so much! Your video has been very useful and informative on how to better use the Anksarum for kneading bread.
That's why I love my bread machine. I can set it to make the loft or set just the dough setting
I agree about the kitchen aid dough hook. It picks up the dough and just rolls around. That’s the one thing I don’t like about it. Other than that the mixer is indestructible! I have my kitchen aid mixer for 21 years now and it is as strong as ever. Great presentation
I’m practicing my bread making skills every weekend (my hubby and coworkers are loving the byproduct of my efforts 😂). I have been trying to get an oat bread perfected using oat flour and what you said about the wait time was an ahah moment for me. It makes sense that you need time for whole grains to hydrate. I love your videos, I always learn something and improve my food preservation and cooking skills.THANK YOU!
Thank you for watching videos. We appreciate your comments and increased skills you apply th information. Jim
Very informative. ❤❤❤
Do you know about the dime test & adjustment for the kitchen aid stand mixers? Everyone who owns a Kitchen Aid stand mixer should know about the tiny adjustment!!! It can make all the difference in the world!! Maybe you could do a video about that sometime? Thank you for sharing so many of your meals & so much of your life with the rest of us! (I Love those little emergency candles and have given many of them away!) Someone even used them to warm their hands in a December power outage!! Thank you!!!! God Bless!
Pam, I have never had the issue that you have with my Kitchenaid, the bowl on your mixer looks much bigger than mine...I do have the lift mixer vs the one that the mixer head raising up... I love your videos.
Omg this is a survival skill i just learned!
Thank you very much for your explanation of how much to mix and how much to knead. And a video that SHOWED the whole process. That's exactly what I was looking for.
I’m trying my first loaf today. This is very helpful. I think I didn’t knead enough bc I was afraid of over kneading.
Great video. I needed this information. Thank you!
This has to be one of the best comparison and what to look for in the bread mix , love this , thank You 😍👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤️
Thanks for sharing ❤
Can’t wait for the recipe 😊
Very informative. I just used a kitchen aid to do my kneeding and the bread dough just didn't rise as I expected it should and the resulting bread was dense and chewy. Now I see what might have happened. Thanks!
I've been perfecting my Sourdough making skills and so far it's the only bread I make. Mostly due to cost, Sourdough only requires flour, water, starter, and salt.
Whereas, most bread recipes require milk, butter, oil, eggs, milk, etc.
Plus, Sourdough doesn't require any kneading just stretch and folds. The only downside to Sourdough is the TIME! Even if you don't slow ferment it can take a whole day to make two loaves. But I've gotten into the rhythm of planning it before we run out.
thank you I have been struggling with my mixer ,wondering if it was doing it right. Now I know what to look for!
Glad we could help! Jim
Thank you Pam, I was so hoping you would have at least one recipe for Rye bread in your new book so I am very glad to hear it. I'm looking forward for the bread book. Thank you again, I really appreciate all the work you and Jim do for us!
You are so welcome! Jim
I think the one thing I could live without in a grid down situation is bread. I am not a big bread eater normally. I think if I had tortillas I could wrap just about anything in one and be ok. I am not Hispanic. I just think they are convenient and versatile.
This was very helpful. I followed all the directions on a recipe I found for my first loaf. I used my kitchen aid mixer and the loaf didn't rise as much as I expected, and the loaf turned out quite dense. I think I should have hand kneaded and it would have came out better. I'll be trying your method on Friday when I have a day off from work! Thanks for all you do!❤
Very interesting as I've just started using a stand mixer for the first time. I was shocked when it made a dough that was so sticky, very much like the kitchen Aid produced here. I didn't want to add a load more flour, so I just went along with it and the bread was amazing with a fantastic rise. I did fold it once after about 30 minutes but other than that went with the sticky mound. It's a good idea to experiment with different looks and feels ito find out what you personally like a loaf to come out like. Kind of like learning the character of a dough and how that relates to the finished loaf.
Thank you for your comment. But what did you mean by 'fold it after 30 minutes?
@@shawnamattox2756 I mean, when you reach under the dough with your flat palm and kind of gently fold the sides up and over. I go around the dough ball like this a coupon timed. But hard to explain, sorry.
Thank you for your reply. I think I got it and will give it a try.
This very helpful information about mixing and kneading dough. Now I will know when the dough has been properly kneaded. Thank you.
P.S. I bought 2 more jars of pickling spice and they are in the container with the yellow lid. LOL
I’m just starting to bake my own bread and it’s been hit or miss. Pam seems to have the answers to all the little questions I have in my head while I’m in process. Just last night I made a dough, and it was sticky, but I was not sure what I was actually looking for in it’s finished state. This was invaluable information. I’m hooked on the videos and I also love gadgets. Pam could teach anything and I would understand and retain it. What an absolutely amazing woman.
Thank you for the very kind comments. Jim
I have the same problem with my Kitchenaide, but I recently learned that the beaters can go out of adjustment, becoming too high to reach the bottom of the bowl. There are directions online on how to adjust the beaters. I am going to try this and see if I get better kneading results.
Love this simulation demonstration ! Thank you
It was nice to see two mixers at work. I am not sure if I want to invest in one. I still hand knead.