26:31 every other (northern) clan in Northgard: "Oh, a new tile with wheat and fish. Let's put a field and a fishing hut there. And after the iron is mined we can even build a silo there! What a great food tile!" Hound clan: "Just put a brawling pit there. Thanks."
Couple things to know if your new to hound that made a huge difference for me. 1. You can use your normal berserkers in fights before converting them into wolf/fox/bear skins, because they only need about 1/4 of their health to win the pit fight. It’s great for clearing your own tiles fast and allowing you to clear the team before winter 2. The second unique lore is MANDATORY and if your wondering why dragur aren’t dropping souls that’s why. 3. During the first winter, it’s usually hard to do much becuase of the reduced power… I always look for a tile of dragur with ONLY SWORDS and no spears, and send my wolf and fox skin to just kite them the entire winter, it should help your eco a lot and give you production over winter
Question @larsman: why in this game didn't you convert some of the brawlers into skins... but left them as brawler... you had room for more skins... you can also pick up a skin from the floor instead of going into the camp.... Another thing I'm still not sure what is best... when converting in camp you also get some xp and food/lore/wood/coins depending on convert... converting on map is quicker, what is best???
I'm still practicing hounds but it never crossed my mind to use a brawler in my warband lol. This is a whole new experience for me sheesh thanks coach! 😂
Maximale Stufe= mehr Monster. Ist nur eine Stufe höher und abgesehen von mehr Ressorcen, die in Form von Monstern auf der map rumliegen gibt es fast keinen Unterschied. 2 Sachen würde ich ändern: 1.) Eber + Bärberserker zuerst und Eber auf lvl 2 leveln, damit ich immer passiv heilen kann. Auch ohne zu farmen. 2.) Food building bauen/ keinen loremaster benutzen, damit ich immer eine stabile eco hab.
I think this clan is hard to balance its unplayable in ffa no chance agains big armies but very strong early in 3v3 it outshines every other clear but if u nerf to mutch its unplayable bcs no eco
I think nerfing "Horde Instinct" will be a good start to nerf. It scales with the number of berserkers so i.e Foxskin with his Hunter's Mark they cause the target to take 60% more dmg and it can scale up to 80% if you have 4 Foxskin, I don't know if there is a max threshold but this is already too strong especially if you put this absurd slow on top of it.
@@larsmanlive I'm theory crafting but I think they also can just generally lower the power lvl of the abilities berserkers get at lvl 3 and lower the XP threshold on lvl 3 so clan wouldn't be so depended on rushing from start to finish. What do you think?
@@ThePolishViking I like the idea of lowering the power of the abilities, but having faster access to the abilites! The nerf of the Bearskin ability was a step in the right direction already. It'd be nice if they found a solution about the clan being way too strong in 801.
Stag and Hound are on the same oppressive level in my opinion. If not mirrored Stag can fame-win early 802 (801 with Owl) OR rush OR scale and Hound will simply crush every other clear clan 801.
I realized recently that I only like ranked games with wolf mirror. Hounds a definite no, lynx feels overtuned to me, eagle self scouts while clearing quickly which is just so much value. Game feels more like Northgard to me with wolf, the pacing is just off right now with other clans. Especially hound though. Sorry for negative comment lol, just been a bit annoyed since I only get to play maybe one or two multiplayer games a week, having them always have hound just isn't doing it for me these days.
No don't be sorry, I completely understand! Hound is coin flip. Lynx is often times out-scaling eco clans and trackers + 500 fame is just ridiculous. Eagle is still super strong with huge impact and scaling and the better Eagle usually wins the game. Wolf is the only "non-busted" clear clan on the list.
@@TazzSmk Good idea. I thought about increasing the loot, but decreasing overall strength and healing. So Hounds doesn't kill entire map 801 every game o.O
My like 10th game as hound, I can not survive for the life of me… I get like 2fox and 1 wolf by 801, and I can’t seem to get more than 3fox and 1wolf past that… meanwhile there’s another hound that’s got 4 fox 2 wolf 1 beat and 1 boar all lvl 6-7 like wtf
The clan's all about the micro and experience. The micro part can be really, REALLY hard depending on the map. I am sure you'll get better results in the future! Try to communicate with your team, that you need the neutrals scouted for 801. A tile-trade would be a nice boost for your clan as well.
@@larsmanlive Yea the difference I’ve noticed in games with teammates and without is insane… solo hound impossible. But do you have any tips on clearing your team quickly? My main struggle is clearing so many foxes and wolves just kiting with 1 fox… it takes forever even when I rush it and take some damage
@@devonrandall3149 Wait for Bloodline before clearing hard tiles and clear with at least with 1 Foxskin and 1 Wolfskin. Try to juggle the tanking Berserkers. Don't always tank with your Wolfskin! If it's still hard to execute, go for Boarskin 3rd and get that lvl 2 in order for your team to heal. That should fix most of your problems!
@@larsmanlive ok gotcha… so wait for bloodlines, and how many villagers is like a good ammount to start converting the first units, assuming my wood and lore aren’t taken
Well they are bit overtuned. You still need to get good tempo to not die of lack of food or wood, or lose all buildings due to lack of gold. And after everything is clear you HAVE to close the game as soon as possible or you lose. Not to mention that you can't simply just build eco and convert. You need them lvl'd up and it takes plenty of monsters killed in order to do so andyou can't just give XP to low lvls because as mentioned previously, you need to keep food and wood in check. There are definitely pros and cons to that but in general there is a way to nerf them without making them useless.
@@ttranpphu0212 I did not and although I didn't try, for some reason this just doesn't seems like viable option. I might be wrong though, it's just... kinda meh.
@@ThePolishViking I also think it suck in team game, but in FFA, it allow you to have lower negative productivity, which allow you to have more free time dealing with the other stuff before you have to hunting for food. And also you will run out of stuff to kill very soon in FFA.
I see it as a pay-to-win scheme by Shiro. Release new broken clans so people will buy them, nerf later, rinse and repeat. I stopped buying clans when Eagle was released as I don't want to reward this monetization strategy.
It's not because of scheme, if you will look at the other games where character's getting added to the game, same issue happpens, they are either very unbalanced and getting nerfed or sh1t from the begging and have to be buffed. The reason of that because regular players don't test it before the release and they need time to adapt for clan/ characters etc. Yes, testers may tested it, but they got the idea, concept and everything from the beginning, so no matter their effort its likely that such things from the start would be considered broken.
caspy, that's the fucking point - the clan is so broken, that nobody has to REALLY be good at it to perform, just don't die with your units while you clear and you are going to outscale everyone
26:31 every other (northern) clan in Northgard: "Oh, a new tile with wheat and fish. Let's put a field and a fishing hut there. And after the iron is mined we can even build a silo there! What a great food tile!"
Hound clan: "Just put a brawling pit there. Thanks."
Hound see open tile. Hound build arena!
Couple things to know if your new to hound that made a huge difference for me.
1. You can use your normal berserkers in fights before converting them into wolf/fox/bear skins, because they only need about 1/4 of their health to win the pit fight. It’s great for clearing your own tiles fast and allowing you to clear the team before winter
2. The second unique lore is MANDATORY and if your wondering why dragur aren’t dropping souls that’s why.
3. During the first winter, it’s usually hard to do much becuase of the reduced power… I always look for a tile of dragur with ONLY SWORDS and no spears, and send my wolf and fox skin to just kite them the entire winter, it should help your eco a lot and give you production over winter
Is this before or after the patch changes to the hound?
This is after the patch.
Or to be more precise: After the nerfs.
Question @larsman: why in this game didn't you convert some of the brawlers into skins... but left them as brawler... you had room for more skins... you can also pick up a skin from the floor instead of going into the camp....
Another thing I'm still not sure what is best... when converting in camp you also get some xp and food/lore/wood/coins depending on convert... converting on map is quicker, what is best???
I'd say converting on map is better if the way to your home is too far!
I'm still practicing hounds but it never crossed my mind to use a brawler in my warband lol. This is a whole new experience for me sheesh thanks coach! 😂
Happy to help! :)
Thanks for the video
Thanks for checking it out!
Eine Frage wenn du gegen die KI spielst auf der maximalen stufe, wie gehs du mit dem Clan vor ?
Maximale Stufe= mehr Monster.
Ist nur eine Stufe höher und abgesehen von mehr Ressorcen, die in Form von Monstern auf der map rumliegen gibt es fast keinen Unterschied.
2 Sachen würde ich ändern:
1.) Eber + Bärberserker zuerst und Eber auf lvl 2 leveln, damit ich immer passiv heilen kann. Auch ohne zu farmen.
2.) Food building bauen/ keinen loremaster benutzen, damit ich immer eine stabile eco hab.
I think this clan is hard to balance its unplayable in ffa no chance agains big armies but very strong early in 3v3 it outshines every other clear but if u nerf to mutch its unplayable bcs no eco
I agree, the clan's hard to balance.
would a classic stat nerf help? or is it just that shiro wants to keep this clan like this for a while 👀 also mass bearskin is very strong as well
I think nerfing "Horde Instinct" will be a good start to nerf. It scales with the number of berserkers so i.e Foxskin with his Hunter's Mark they cause the target to take 60% more dmg and it can scale up to 80% if you have 4 Foxskin, I don't know if there is a max threshold but this is already too strong especially if you put this absurd slow on top of it.
@@ThePolishViking They could nerf the slow ability by the Foxskins and Heal by Boar slightly. That'd be a good start.
@@larsmanlive I'm theory crafting but I think they also can just generally lower the power lvl of the abilities berserkers get at lvl 3 and lower the XP threshold on lvl 3 so clan wouldn't be so depended on rushing from start to finish. What do you think?
@@ThePolishViking I like the idea of lowering the power of the abilities, but having faster access to the abilites! The nerf of the Bearskin ability was a step in the right direction already.
It'd be nice if they found a solution about the clan being way too strong in 801.
I mean yes, the clan is very strong (a bit too strong maybe), but you also have to consider that you're a damn beast in this game xD
Aww thanks a lot
could this be the most broken clan in the game now?
Stag and Hound are on the same oppressive level in my opinion.
If not mirrored Stag can fame-win early 802 (801 with Owl) OR rush OR scale and Hound will simply crush every other clear clan 801.
If you only have two food sources within reach you’re in trouble.
What do you mean?
Hounds can sustain with villagers only.
@@larsmanlive ah I don’t know that faction well.
@@Dadbod007 Ah don't worry!
With hounds, you can build a food building if you want, but you'll be fine without one, as well!
I realized recently that I only like ranked games with wolf mirror. Hounds a definite no, lynx feels overtuned to me, eagle self scouts while clearing quickly which is just so much value. Game feels more like Northgard to me with wolf, the pacing is just off right now with other clans. Especially hound though. Sorry for negative comment lol, just been a bit annoyed since I only get to play maybe one or two multiplayer games a week, having them always have hound just isn't doing it for me these days.
No don't be sorry, I completely understand!
Hound is coin flip.
Lynx is often times out-scaling eco clans and trackers + 500 fame is just ridiculous.
Eagle is still super strong with huge
impact and scaling and the better Eagle usually wins the game.
Wolf is the only "non-busted" clear clan on the list.
bad spawn is when you're in the middle in 3v3 game xD
Ah that might be true :D
New meta? Getting with jotun to war and then farm military exp via their attacks?
Oh yes. If you're playing hound, try to anger as many neutrals as you can! You're gonna kill everything anyway.
Lol basically no damage from the battle with the wolf clan in the giant camp. Clan is goofy
Hound is the better Wolf now :(
I’m a bit confused… what was that star above his wolf skins head in the fight? Did it die and get resurrected?
Yes, the star means the unit would have died and the death was defied.
Hounds are just all gas no breaks 😂
That's an excellent description!
I guess Hound clan could be nerfed by some kind of (long-term) trickle mechanic, like original Kraken, Dragon or Lynx...
Good idea. Question is what to nerf specifically...
@@larsmanlive I'd nerf the consistency of attack power, snowballing Hound is OP
@@TazzSmk Good idea. I thought about increasing the loot, but decreasing overall strength and healing.
So Hounds doesn't kill entire map 801 every game o.O
My like 10th game as hound, I can not survive for the life of me… I get like 2fox and 1 wolf by 801, and I can’t seem to get more than 3fox and 1wolf past that… meanwhile there’s another hound that’s got 4 fox 2 wolf 1 beat and 1 boar all lvl 6-7 like wtf
The clan's all about the micro and experience.
The micro part can be really, REALLY hard depending on the map.
I am sure you'll get better results in the future!
Try to communicate with your team, that you need the neutrals scouted for 801.
A tile-trade would be a nice boost for your clan as well.
@@larsmanlive Yea the difference I’ve noticed in games with teammates and without is insane… solo hound impossible.
But do you have any tips on clearing your team quickly? My main struggle is clearing so many foxes and wolves just kiting with 1 fox… it takes forever even when I rush it and take some damage
@@devonrandall3149 Wait for Bloodline before clearing hard tiles and clear with at least with 1 Foxskin and 1 Wolfskin. Try to juggle the tanking Berserkers. Don't always tank with your Wolfskin!
If it's still hard to execute, go for Boarskin 3rd and get that lvl 2 in order for your team to heal. That should fix most of your problems!
@@larsmanlive ok gotcha… so wait for bloodlines, and how many villagers is like a good ammount to start converting the first units, assuming my wood and lore aren’t taken
I'd start converting Berserkers at ~ 6 villagers.
Fair and balanced!
Well they are bit overtuned. You still need to get good tempo to not die of lack of food or wood, or lose all buildings due to lack of gold. And after everything is clear you HAVE to close the game as soon as possible or you lose. Not to mention that you can't simply just build eco and convert. You need them lvl'd up and it takes plenty of monsters killed in order to do so andyou can't just give XP to low lvls because as mentioned previously, you need to keep food and wood in check.
There are definitely pros and cons to that but in general there is a way to nerf them without making them useless.
100%
@@ThePolishViking Have you try eco with heavy work forces? I don't play PvP but the OK again extreme AI and you have plenty of XP decolonizing.
@@ttranpphu0212 I did not and although I didn't try, for some reason this just doesn't seems like viable option. I might be wrong though, it's just... kinda meh.
@@ThePolishViking I also think it suck in team game, but in FFA, it allow you to have lower negative productivity, which allow you to have more free time dealing with the other stuff before you have to hunting for food. And also you will run out of stuff to kill very soon in FFA.
Nice, i still get slapped when i play against AI in extreme difficulty .....
:(((
I see it as a pay-to-win scheme by Shiro. Release new broken clans so people will buy them, nerf later, rinse and repeat. I stopped buying clans when Eagle was released as I don't want to reward this monetization strategy.
It's not because of scheme, if you will look at the other games where character's getting added to the game, same issue happpens, they are either very unbalanced and getting nerfed or sh1t from the begging and have to be buffed.
The reason of that because regular players don't test it before the release and they need time to adapt for clan/ characters etc.
Yes, testers may tested it, but they got the idea, concept and everything from the beginning, so no matter their effort its likely that such things from the start would be considered broken.
Hound is not your strong clan as i can see. You need a lot practice on them. You are too slow tbh. Nothing personal.
Thank you for your input Caspy.
Good thing I don't have to be good at the clan to excel at it.
When team carry you, agree.
@@Caspy71021 Quick question:
Are you the Hound from yesterday's stream?
Any advices to be faster with hounds ?
caspy, that's the fucking point - the clan is so broken, that nobody has to REALLY be good at it to perform, just don't die with your units while you clear and you are going to outscale everyone