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If you take a 2 liter soda bottle, you can cut it in one long strip by using a spiral cut. I make very long pieces of clear plastic this way. Just keep to the portion of the bottle that has no curves. The spiral cut might actually benefit the ball screw cover, because it needs a little spiral anyway. No glue joints!
Hello. I'm a 35 year old graduated engineer and admire and appreciate your work! Congrats mate! You're great! This video is not just funny but also intelligent. Nice.
If you want to go one step further, you could add an air line to provide a tiny bit of pressure inside the shroud to further 'encourage' the dust to stay out.
You could look into those plastic hoses with metal rings inside and see if they work, I'm not sure there are any in the right diameter though. I don't think they will offer a lot of resistance to the advancements of the x, y, z axis and the idea of the air is also a very good one.
I also want my own CNCologist. You're very lucky to have one :) Edit: For some reason youtube doesn't show my other comment. I will add it here. What about using one of those extendable steel staffs?
If you want a good way to join the PVC strips together, you can use a blowtorch to melt one face on each of the two ends that you want to join, and then stick them together with the melted faces touching each other (maybe 2 or 3 cm of overlap) and clamp them between two pieces of clean scrap metal (vises are good for this). After cutting off the excess plastic that flowed out the sides of the strip, you should have a pretty solid connection. Great video!
This is an awesome solution, but did you consider the design of shock absorber boots? They sort of "accordion" in and out, they'd be perfect for this application!
Regarding the ball screw covers. This would cause your X axis to be longer but.... instead of the ball screws on the outside of the X gantry supports, put it on the inside. Then, on the top of the Y rail and linear rail/bearing assembly, you can add a simple flat piece of aluminum that "almost" touches the X gantry. This would shield the rails and the the ball screw. Also, it would be a nice place for the wire chain to rest. Again, it would cause the X gantry pieces to be longer.
If you add air valves to the covers and provide a little bit of positive pressure, it'll keep the smaller dust pieces from going in between the layers.
A suggestion for connecting the plastic strips, there's ultrasonic welders for plastic that should work well, and once you start using them you'll find all sorts of uses for them.
Limit switches can be replaced with TMC2209 drivers these days, they have Stalguard built in ;) And normally we use bellows around our linear systems to keep everything clean. I really like the telescopic idea, but for me bellows work really well and are affordable if you find the right supplier. Now what I want to add, old bellows were sometimes made with some very smooth and strong (200grams) black paper backing and overlayed with some sort of fabric. This causes the inside to be smooth and the outside to be tear-resistant because of the fabric. The benefit of bellows is that it really doesn't let any dust through, whereas the telescopic solution will collect dust in-between the paper layers and eventually it can get either stuck, or will keep dust inside of the telescopic tube instead of keeping it out. I suggest using a fabric 'sock' over the telescoping tube will keep dust out. This could be a great addition to your design.
@@MarinusMakesStuff i was commenting on the dust coming into the telescope tybe when i saw your comment. What about just a plastic bag tube with thin Steel Wires to keep it's round shape. Or make it as a shower curtain with a bar holding the Steel Wires.
@@justgotravel6646 Oh yeah that sounds totally cool, a plastic-bag-tube kind of design with a thin wire spiral made or spring steel would work nicely as well! I like the idea.
Nice dialog from Bart to Bart. But why you not do like I did, I designed a sponge holder that is oiled and cleans the debris, both ball screw and linear rails. Naturally you need clean those sponges every so often but, they lubricate and keep debris out of getting in into bearings. In addition I have chip cover to direct most of the chips on y direction both sides.
You'll have to enclose your linear bearings as well! Try to have a complete and a moving cover for both between your milling volume and the bearings and ball screws. I use a side cover for 80% of the dust and a driven rubber cover around the moving parts
The couch-and-doctor style worked really well dude. I'm sure a fan could suggest a good lubricant to help keep the roll slipping without jamming up; maybe silicon based?
The Pvc is a great idea! Would suggest some ptfe spray as a bit of a dry lubricant to help decrease the sticktion. Also, you could like at teflon cooking sheets as well, over the distance, im not sure about rigidity, but with enough winds, I reckon you could be getting closer. Keep up the good work, cant wait for you to get closer to end game, as I will be certainly building one of these. Really appreciate your smarts!
There are plastic fluorescent tube covers that are very long. Perhaps a spiral cut on one of these could yield two shields that are one continuous piece?
Congratulation this a very clever solution ! can i suggest you to add a flexible pipe who add a positive pressure with deshydrate oiled air and distributed it with a micro lubrication your screws will last for years. Make bellows to protect the slide the slider hates dust and add the same technique as above !
This works the ball screws but you need to protect the linear rails to. Bellows are not that hard to fold from paper or plastic and then you can make them big enough to cover booth the rails and ballscrew. Perfect cheap diy
Excellent video! Keep tinkering with different ideas and things and never give up! I am still a newby and trying to figure out the CNC basics with my low cost cnc 3018. It is only a matter of time and will be building the IndyMill as my next CNC upgrade.
Not bad. My first inclination would be to use polypropylene sheets, like from a folder, but there's one problem with them... you just can't glue this material, at all. PVC is a good solution and i think contact glue should work perfectly with it.
how about building the cover "bandsander style" .....the moving "sandpaper" as cover attached to the gantry..it only would need a sider cover and 1 rolls at each end. The moving part could be some kind of cheap pont foil. If there is enough "overhang" from the foil this might work.
Instead of joining PVC sheets together with hot glue, you should try taking a large soda bottle and cutting it into a very long 40mm strip. If one bottle's worth of strip isn't long enough I believe you could also clamp 2 strips together with some blocks of metal and slowly heat the metal block up to fuse them together in a seamless fashion. You can use some spacers of the correct thickness (perhaps metal feeler gauges) between the two clamping surfaces to make it so when the strips melt together the clamping force doesn't just squish them very thin and it will make sure the seam is of a uniform thickness. Maybe some wax paper on both sides of the strip to act as a release (kinda like fuse-beads when I was a kid.) Oh, fuse beads... Use a clothes iron as your slowly heating metal surface 😃
Did some math, the 2L soda bottles here in the US are ~105mm in diameter and the usable middle cylindrical section is ~150mm tall. So let's say we basically have a cylinder with 325mm circumference and 150mm tall. If we slice that into a spiral where the spiral strip is 40mm, wide out of one bottle we can get ~895mm of 40mm wide strip; for us US peeps that's just about 3ft.
Loving the upgrades and video format. My laser cut parts arrived yesterday and I will be building my indymill soon. Hopping to record build process. I hope you can share your limit switch additions in another awesome video.
Love the video! Have you thought about adding a small diode laser to the mill? that would make it do double duty, and for people without a laser, would mean that they could do engraving and cardboard/paper cutting. No idea how it would be wired, but it is an idea...
Offset printing plates might work perfectly in this application, they are made with very thin and springy aluminium. The problem may be where you can find them in this age of digital printing.
Use a plastic shower curtain rod cover which has a slit in it .cut the proper length for the ball Screw. slip it over the ball screw through the slit and just let it hang there . there's your dust cover
Gread video. Have you considered making those covers using origami accordion patterns? If you search for "origami bellows" you may find another solution to your problem at least for the z axis.
@@nikodembartnik you can learn basic folding skills following simple origami tutorials. I recommend tadashi mori's channel. I hope your origami skills change their mind:)
Nice video, always nice to find people I've seen for ages on Instructables also here on youtube. As for an alternative solution, maybe you should take a look at origami bellows. I think that if you would print those in a flexible filament it would be ideal for covering your ball-screws.
What are the travel maximums for each axis? Given the rails that you used in your project. I have not seen any in the videos. This looks to be the perfect size for my guitar project
This is gonna sound really boring, but here's an alternate design. Instead of the telescoping cover, just encase each side in a "box" and cut a slit along the top long edge for the Y-axis vertical arm to pass through. To keep a primitive seal on the slit opening, use bristles. They move aside when the veritical arm passes through, but form a seal to keep chips out.
How about metal? Would be much more durable than paper or plastic. And I know where to get them ready-made and tested: a magician's appearing cane. I see them on Amazon for about $10.00. Look for something bare metal, maybe blued. I'd avoid anything painted. The plastic ones work but metal is more durable by far.
lots of talking but good content mean wile ruined by ad but steal good enough to watch to last second. man you just has to change and improve. good job man.
You may want to look at making your own Bellows. There is even a program to help you figure out the folding pattern. www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/Bellows/Bellows.htm
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pro tip : watch movies at flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching lots of of movies lately.
@Ahmir Seth Yea, have been using flixzone for months myself :)
These are some next level production values 😀
Thanks!
Nikodem Bartnik - well deserved mate, you were never crap, but you’ve improved exponentially over time and this last one was just great😎
If you take a 2 liter soda bottle, you can cut it in one long strip by using a spiral cut. I make very long pieces of clear plastic this way. Just keep to the portion of the bottle that has no curves.
The spiral cut might actually benefit the ball screw cover, because it needs a little spiral anyway.
No glue joints!
This was hilarious.
"...even the second page of Google search." lol
Hello. I'm a 35 year old graduated engineer and admire and appreciate your work! Congrats mate! You're great!
This video is not just funny but also intelligent. Nice.
If you want to go one step further, you could add an air line to provide a tiny bit of pressure inside the shroud to further 'encourage' the dust to stay out.
Cool idea! Never thought about that. It would be like a positive pressure suit for ball screws :)
Was thinking the same thing. It's like positive pressure in a PC cooling setup.
You could look into those plastic hoses with metal rings inside and see if they work, I'm not sure there are any in the right diameter though. I don't think they will offer a lot of resistance to the advancements of the x, y, z axis and the idea of the air is also a very good one.
Excellent presentation, Niko! Keep goin' on
I also want my own CNCologist. You're very lucky to have one :)
Edit: For some reason youtube doesn't show my other comment. I will add it here.
What about using one of those extendable steel staffs?
Cool dude, he just complains a bit too often
*You are the perfect example of a guy who follows their passions.*
You could probably use some shim stock for this, they sell it by the roll too.
That’s how it made commercially
I started looking for something like this last week and was going to try something similar. You saved me a lot of time! Love your projects man!
Love the couch session intro!
Thank you!
i saw exactly similar scene in cnc video by someone else, but i can not remember who
If you want a good way to join the PVC strips together, you can use a blowtorch to melt one face on each of the two ends that you want to join, and then stick them together with the melted faces touching each other (maybe 2 or 3 cm of overlap) and clamp them between two pieces of clean scrap metal (vises are good for this). After cutting off the excess plastic that flowed out the sides of the strip, you should have a pretty solid connection. Great video!
That’s a super cool design
You've got a hell of a career as an engineer ahead of you. I don't know if you're going electrical or mechanical but either one will suit you well.
Your are a brilliant young man, I really like your design of the gantry of you CNC Router. Keep it up.
This is an awesome solution, but did you consider the design of shock absorber boots? They sort of "accordion" in and out, they'd be perfect for this application!
"You used hotglue, seriously now? What´s next? Are you gonna start making life-hack-videos???" ;-)
I forgot that these videos were funny🤣🤣love it
Regarding the ball screw covers. This would cause your X axis to be longer but.... instead of the ball screws on the outside of the X gantry supports, put it on the inside. Then, on the top of the Y rail and linear rail/bearing assembly, you can add a simple flat piece of aluminum that "almost" touches the X gantry. This would shield the rails and the the ball screw. Also, it would be a nice place for the wire chain to rest. Again, it would cause the X gantry pieces to be longer.
If you add air valves to the covers and provide a little bit of positive pressure, it'll keep the smaller dust pieces from going in between the layers.
A suggestion for connecting the plastic strips, there's ultrasonic welders for plastic that should work well, and once you start using them you'll find all sorts of uses for them.
Limit switches can be replaced with TMC2209 drivers these days, they have Stalguard built in ;) And normally we use bellows around our linear systems to keep everything clean. I really like the telescopic idea, but for me bellows work really well and are affordable if you find the right supplier. Now what I want to add, old bellows were sometimes made with some very smooth and strong (200grams) black paper backing and overlayed with some sort of fabric. This causes the inside to be smooth and the outside to be tear-resistant because of the fabric. The benefit of bellows is that it really doesn't let any dust through, whereas the telescopic solution will collect dust in-between the paper layers and eventually it can get either stuck, or will keep dust inside of the telescopic tube instead of keeping it out. I suggest using a fabric 'sock' over the telescoping tube will keep dust out. This could be a great addition to your design.
Fabric sock sounds easier.
@@justgotravel6646 I think the sock needs a medium in order to keep it from getting into the mechanical parts. So the telescope is ideal for that.
@@MarinusMakesStuff i was commenting on the dust coming into the telescope tybe when i saw your comment.
What about just a plastic bag tube with thin Steel Wires to keep it's round shape. Or make it as a shower curtain with a bar holding the Steel Wires.
Btw the tmc driver you talk about is that the one that detect friction / stop on the motor.
@@justgotravel6646 Oh yeah that sounds totally cool, a plastic-bag-tube kind of design with a thin wire spiral made or spring steel would work nicely as well! I like the idea.
Nice dialog from Bart to Bart. But why you not do like I did, I designed a sponge holder that is oiled and cleans the debris, both ball screw and linear rails. Naturally you need clean those sponges every so often but, they lubricate and keep debris out of getting in into bearings. In addition I have chip cover to direct most of the chips on y direction both sides.
i think if we put small brush in front the nut and fix it with 3d printer holder can work also
You'll have to enclose your linear bearings as well! Try to have a complete and a moving cover for both between your milling volume and the bearings and ball screws. I use a side cover for 80% of the dust and a driven rubber cover around the moving parts
The couch-and-doctor style worked really well dude. I'm sure a fan could suggest a good lubricant to help keep the roll slipping without jamming up; maybe silicon based?
The Pvc is a great idea! Would suggest some ptfe spray as a bit of a dry lubricant to help decrease the sticktion.
Also, you could like at teflon cooking sheets as well, over the distance, im not sure about rigidity, but with enough winds, I reckon you could be getting closer.
Keep up the good work, cant wait for you to get closer to end game, as I will be certainly building one of these.
Really appreciate your smarts!
"If you are not failing, you are probabbly not innovating enough..."
Nice sense of humor ! Also an excellent product/solution ! Well done !
The video is excellent
Thank you!
There are plastic fluorescent tube covers that are very long. Perhaps a spiral cut on one of these could yield two shields that are one continuous piece?
Congratulation this a very clever solution !
can i suggest you to add a flexible pipe who add a positive pressure with deshydrate oiled air and distributed it with a micro lubrication your screws will last for years. Make bellows to protect the slide the slider hates dust and add the same technique as above !
Lol, loving the new format.
Did you test that small articles, like saw dust does not going to block the friction of the tube over time?
This works the ball screws but you need to protect the linear rails to. Bellows are not that hard to fold from paper or plastic and then you can make them big enough to cover booth the rails and ballscrew. Perfect cheap diy
You should check out fork gaiters, like the kind used on Motorcycles. They're super super cheap, durable and work really well for covering leadscrews!
Damn what a spectacular intro
Excellent video! Keep tinkering with different ideas and things and never give up! I am still a newby and trying to figure out the CNC basics with my low cost cnc 3018. It is only a matter of time and will be building the IndyMill as my next CNC upgrade.
Not bad. My first inclination would be to use polypropylene sheets, like from a folder, but there's one problem with them... you just can't glue this material, at all.
PVC is a good solution and i think contact glue should work perfectly with it.
As always, loved the video. You definitely keep inspiring me to improve my DIY mill. Might need to add this!
You can try PP that is very chimical rezistent, in leroy merlin they sell it in large sheets, also cut them in diagonal :)
how about building the cover "bandsander style" .....the moving "sandpaper" as cover attached to the gantry..it only would need a sider cover and 1 rolls at each end. The moving part could be some kind of cheap pont foil. If there is enough "overhang" from the foil this might work.
Dude, you are making such a good videos. Really interesting, very well mounted, instructive and amusing. Congratulation, best regards from Spain
Excellent video! You are a very talented young man.
I thought the format on this one was awesome! Definitely a nice change of pace.
i wonder if you could 3d print cover spirals out of e semi-flexible filament and use only one layer thick walls.. or maybe even 3d printed segments
Instead of joining PVC sheets together with hot glue, you should try taking a large soda bottle and cutting it into a very long 40mm strip. If one bottle's worth of strip isn't long enough I believe you could also clamp 2 strips together with some blocks of metal and slowly heat the metal block up to fuse them together in a seamless fashion. You can use some spacers of the correct thickness (perhaps metal feeler gauges) between the two clamping surfaces to make it so when the strips melt together the clamping force doesn't just squish them very thin and it will make sure the seam is of a uniform thickness. Maybe some wax paper on both sides of the strip to act as a release (kinda like fuse-beads when I was a kid.) Oh, fuse beads... Use a clothes iron as your slowly heating metal surface 😃
Did some math, the 2L soda bottles here in the US are ~105mm in diameter and the usable middle cylindrical section is ~150mm tall. So let's say we basically have a cylinder with 325mm circumference and 150mm tall. If we slice that into a spiral where the spiral strip is 40mm, wide out of one bottle we can get ~895mm of 40mm wide strip; for us US peeps that's just about 3ft.
You need a merch store. I want an Indystry propellor cap dammit!
Loving the upgrades and video format. My laser cut parts arrived yesterday and I will be building my indymill soon. Hopping to record build process. I hope you can share your limit switch additions in another awesome video.
well , i will make sure to integrate that into my diy cnc :D , thanks mate
Folię PVC spokojnie kupisz w necie w małych formatach np 1000x700mm. Możesz znaleźć nieco sztywniejszą, niż ta, której zdajesz się używać.
You are great, man. Keep up the good work!!!
Love the video! Have you thought about adding a small diode laser to the mill? that would make it do double duty, and for people without a laser, would mean that they could do engraving and cardboard/paper cutting. No idea how it would be wired, but it is an idea...
Offset printing plates might work perfectly in this application, they are made with very thin and springy aluminium. The problem may be where you can find them in this age of digital printing.
This was awesome 😬
Use a plastic shower curtain rod cover which has a slit in it .cut the proper length for the ball Screw. slip it over the ball screw through the slit and just let it hang there . there's your dust cover
How would the telescoping work?
@@TheRainHarvester Carson telescope there's a slit in the whole tube
open slit, slip it onto the rod and take it off when you want
Nicely done video, and you've got me thinking about possible designs...
Gread video. Have you considered making those covers using origami accordion patterns? If you search for "origami bellows" you may find another solution to your problem at least for the z axis.
yes I did, but my origami skills said no
@@nikodembartnik dont give up mine was horrible but after trying a few times i got them working if you scratch out the fold patterns it works great.
@@nikodembartnik you can learn basic folding skills following simple origami tutorials. I recommend tadashi mori's channel. I hope your origami skills change their mind:)
Wonderful Idea !!!
It made a long Time I'm looking for a solution , thanks !!
This is very cool idea!
But don't use air pressure to clean!
Yup, use a vacuum instead. Blasting it with an air gun will just drive the dust in
I want to have that kind of equipment btw loved the video
Nice video, always nice to find people I've seen for ages on Instructables also here on youtube. As for an alternative solution, maybe you should take a look at origami bellows. I think that if you would print those in a flexible filament it would be ideal for covering your ball-screws.
I want to see how much it would cost to make in China! Looks like 51101 Thrust bearing is missing from the parts list
What software you used to control CNC grbl machine to connect machine and send g-codes
Simply awesome :D
Andr for linear rails ? I looks to protect linear rails and not axis for my futur project
You could try aluminium flashing as it is pretty widely available, not sure how it would perform though... Might be too maliable
That was a pretty funny video! And really like that you're experimenting with your content!
What is the workable volume for the CNC machine?
i like how you plug in sponsored part funny way 😅
A moment of emotion when I saw the visors for the hospital: very good, congratulations, it is something that does you honor
First of all great Project. And I have a question on that. Which CAD program are you useing?
What are the travel maximums for each axis? Given the rails that you used in your project. I have not seen any in the videos. This looks to be the perfect size for my guitar project
Hello. Can you share 3D MODEL OF YOUR ROUTER ?
hey, the link on your site is just for the 3d printed files again, not the new parts, can you fix that link?
hello Nikodem !!!! could you make the same project for the Dremel too ??? Thank you!!!!
Enjoyed the the video thank you it was helpful
This is gonna sound really boring, but here's an alternate design. Instead of the telescoping cover, just encase each side in a "box" and cut a slit along the top long edge for the Y-axis vertical arm to pass through. To keep a primitive seal on the slit opening, use bristles. They move aside when the veritical arm passes through, but form a seal to keep chips out.
It seems like sawdust would settle on the fibers, then fall in as the gantry moves them apart.
Hey Nikodem I hope you’re good, I like what you doing, and I have question for you: is”andrey esipenko” your brother?
Tak z ciekawości, dlaczego metalowe elementy zmieniły ciemny niebieski kolor na jaśniejszy niebieski 😃 ?
Ponieważ przyszedł prototyp części pomalowanych proszkowo więc go zamontowałem :)
any chance of getting the full fusion 360 model for the cnc machine ?
Czym odciągasz wióry z pola roboczego? Odkurzacz, odciąg?
Did not know you had a TWIN BROTHER, anyway consider the bendable straw it compresses and expands to bend
NICE
specialy that you posted the fail
Did you paint the cnc again? looks like another color of blue
funny intro :-D nice!
excuse me where is the videos of your tool used at 8min38 of your videos.
Only second page of google search?
Nikodem myślałeś o 4 osi ?
7:21 did you lose any range of motion?
How about metal? Would be much more durable than paper or plastic. And I know where to get them ready-made and tested: a magician's appearing cane. I see them on Amazon for about $10.00. Look for something bare metal, maybe blued. I'd avoid anything painted. The plastic ones work but metal is more durable by far.
i think its time do do some live videos with questions and answers :) ... can be fun ;)
I was even thinking about sharing design and making sessions live on twitch but not sure if I am good enough for that :)
@@nikodembartnik always you can try ...
But I really like your DYI cnc videos:)
Smart
lots of talking but good content mean wile ruined by ad but steal good enough to watch to last second. man you just has to change and improve. good job man.
4:48 haha!!
Cool
2nd page of google search? :-o
We haven't even known that it exists! O_o
I'm starting to worry about it, it's kind of dangerous when someone looks in the second page of google search haha
😳 I looked also at page number 5 .... and now I'm looking at myself as a monster 😭😭😭
You may want to look at making your own Bellows. There is even a program to help you figure out the folding pattern.
www.franksworkshop.com.au/CNC/Bellows/Bellows.htm
masz akcent polaka :)
👏👏👏