Anglican Unscripted 790 - Asbury Revival as CofE sinks
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With their proposals for same-sex blessings and obfuscations around 'Holy Matrimony' and 'marriage' the College of Bishops and majority voters in Synod are playing out the latest round of the rebellion which began in Eden with the words, "Did God really say...?"
Exactly so!
This!
I think they beyond that, they have eaten the apple.
The government did the same thing. When they introduced civil partnerships they assured the churches, "this is not marriage" yet the government website said "Gay and want to get married? Now you can" this was when civil partnerships were introduced, before " marriage equality"
Absolutely true. Great comment.
A pastor called Rob Bell aka 'Love Wins' said EXACTLY the same thing about being no hell.
Left his $$position at WFM (aka prosperity doctrine) and became Oprah's new age 'spiritual advisor'...few years ago.
Beginning of what is now happening.
Well done The Global South!
A glum hello from Essex England. Trying to work through this mess. Thank you, gentlemen, for your measured, useful and positive conversation - I found myself taking notes on the last 2 videos.. It is helping.
I doubt that any resistence within the ranks of the C of E will prevail. Welby and his staff have ensured the evangelicals appointed as Bishop are well-behaved pussycats. The liberal establishment controls the mechanisms of the C of E. What you do not see are the clergy, persecuted by Bishops, for speaking out for Biblical truth 'cos it is all hushed up by lawyers and settlements. It looks polite and well mannered on the outside, but the reality is they fight very dirty. As a result, I and others have left/are leaving the C of E for an expression of Anglicanism in Britain led by properly ordained Bishops who are untainted by this mess. Look up ACE Anglican Convocation in Europe and AMIE Anglican Mission in England. They are forming new congregations even as we speak. I'm sure they might be able to steer you in the right direction.
If the outlook isn't very good the uplook is always encouraging!
May God bless England and all the western countries in which our churches are becoming corrupted
Proud of my African brethren for staying true to the scriptures.
Once the CofE accepted feminism and the ordination of women, this was always where they would end up. God will not be mocked.
Rather, the path to this point has been in the making for over 150 years.
so right! - the slippery ....... (can't think of the right word)
this is what ive been telling my own denomination for years... yet the synod passed a resolution allowing women to be ordained as deacons... well its been nice knowing you orthodoxy
@J Rob Bishop of Doncaster Sophie Jelley spoke out against this in a moving speech at Synod. It's short and well worth your time.
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I am watching from Australia. I listen every weekand is is always nice to hear good sense spoken in a world where good sense seems in limited supply.
1. As punishment for her crime of standing and silently praying in public, I'm surprised Isabel Vaughan-Spruce wasn't given the appropriately fitting sentence of serving some time as a living Christmas tree, I'm but glad she was acquitted none-the-less.
2. Asbury is the cry of the heart of young people for God to bless them with His love, healing and understanding. I think this phenomenon came about in response to all of the chaos and madness that they are exposed to in the world from an ever-present media and in their daily lives. May it produce a lasting fruit and communion for all those involved.
Amen....the chaos and destruction going on these days has been very hard on people. Asbury was a beautiful moment I will never forget (even though i only saw it online).
I believe we already are seeing the Asbury revival hitting the ACNA where I am as a group of conservative Methodists left the UMC and joined with us, a small mission work in the diocese of the south. As a result of this movement, our deacon was ordained as a priest and we practically doubled in number over night. Praise God for the increase.
Fr George you just said the most important thing I’ve heard about Asbury. The fact that people are speaking in tongues in a group setting while in the same setting the RC’s are worshipping God in the consecrated host shown in a Monstrance. God must be smiling! The wind is blowing a s the Holy Spirit in our youth. More power to our triune God! Revival is much needed in our times. I experienced some of this at the Dallas Church of the Resurrection in the 70’s revival. People loved and cared for each other!!! We need to pray for this event. 😊
God bless you, thank you
We need election (by church members) not selection (by a self-serving cabal of the chosen few) for all episcopal positions. The bullying and browbeating from the bishops is shameful; but will the average cleric and parishioner have the courage to stand up and be counted or simply remain 'nice' and obsequiously obedient?
Some Bishops and senior staff as I discovered to my cost, are extremely nasty and fight in a very dirty manner. Bullied was far too mild for what I endured. I paid the price. Two years on, recovering well, ministering outside of the C of E. You may not see what happens to the persecuted by senior staff because it all gets covered up by settlements , solicitors and Non Disclosure Agreements - however I know and can assure you, there is a lot of it about!
@@johnhudghton3535 John, I am so sorry this has been your experience, and it is indeed all too common. What I don't fully understand - though I have my suspicions - is how they can continue to bully or allow bullying and then try to sweep it under the carpet. My principal discovery and argument would be that they have not understood or prefer not to understand what genuine spiritual leadership requires of them. I think perhaps 'for the sake of appearances' and 'collegiate solidarity' are two reasons which make my point perfectly!
C of E, R.I.P.
It's very simple really. Here in the UK the C of E has, over the last few decades, been taken over by a politicised technocratic managerial class (Welby is an oil company man) who put their personal secular political views ahead of scripture. The leadership of the C of E is, contrary to Christ's teaching, arrogant in the extreme and don't seem to care that the changes over the last 50 or 60 years that they call 'progress' has led to (in the UK) a 90% reduction in regular attendance; an average age of regular attendee of 60+; and for the first time, less than 50% putting 'Christian' down in the religion part of the State 10 yearly census. Shame on Welby but also shame on those who have allowed this politicised secular-loving technocratic managerial attitude to take over.
If the secularizing bishops had any integrity, they would openly declare that they can no longer ascribe to the christian faith and simply leave it. This would cost them their paycheck of course, which explains why they have decided instead to change church teachings to their own taste.
I like your difference between Revival and Awakening
the Quebec movie "Jesus of Montreal" sparked a huge revival in Quebec when the movie came out and many returned to regular Mass and professing the Catholic faith in 1989.
Hi from Worcestershire England 🏴🏴🏴
Any relation to Gordon?
Hi from the Peak District of Derbyshire.
@@mrbaker7443 🏴wish I was!
Hopefully these "devout" alphabet Anglicans have given God the update on what is sin. Certainly don't want God to make "mistakes" in His judgements.
Exactly, has the Lord not taken instruction from The Archbishop of York that it is all covered by the development of doctrine?
Hi from Northumberland England 😀
Thanks again for a great commentary. There are quite a few PCA presbyters and lay that come from a strongly Conservative Reformed position who are being very open and are speaking out in support. You may want to also check out Gavin Ortland and Glen Scriveners’ analysis and commentaries on this revival. 🙂
I don't understand why the prime minister is at all involved in appointing the Archbishop of Canterbury, when that office might be held by someone who is not even a Christian. The prime minister is not the one who holds the title Defender of the Faith. There is a very real flaw in a system where the monarch is head of the church but only reigns rather than ruling. Seems like it's time to separate church and state.
God bless Foley Beach.
You want to be sat in the pews in the Church of England. No one asked us, but happy to take our donations. Do we stay and hope for a return to the truth, or run and choose a different path? I am in turmoil. I feel bereaved and let down.
run to the Catholic Church, especially if you can find a rare Traditional Latin Mass
@zachsmith5515 no thank you
Same here. No idea what to do for the best.
@@lakaylee1 very upfront 😂
Alternatives are forming in England. If you are happy with Women's ordination then contact ACE The Anglican Convocation in Europe. Or if you are complimentarian then contact AMIE Anglucan Mission in England. They are forming congregations for the dispossessed and have Bishops consecrated by GAFCON/Global South Bishops who are not tainted by this heresy and all the accompanied dishonest shenanigans.
I am not a practicing Anglican but my Granny insisted I be baptised in infancy and I have always respected her decision ...although in later years I came to a personal faith is the Baptist denomination I still enjoyed fellowship with Anglican friends and ministries here in Australia....so grieved to hear what is happening now....
It is indeed a sad time in the Church of England and the Communion. We can be thankful for the Global South and those who hold fast to Gospel in the "liberal" churches. The trajectory based on history is the CofE will go the way of the USA, Canada and others. But we know that God is in charge. The leaders in the church need to realize Christianity is not a democracy as there is only one vote, God's. So believe in God and stop worshipping themselves and other people.
I hope Fr. George's dog had a good nap. ;)
How long did we expect the Churches to stomach these actions? I can't say I'm surprised but there are many unlying factors that led to this.
I'm trying to understand this new event in the church. I should say, Kevin Kallsen, that you seem to be as heartbroken as I that we have come to this. I should also reflect back to you Canon Conger that you appear to be really happy that the storm has broken. I am not taking sides, just reflecting back to you how things appear. I will listen to the arguments and pray about my actions. I begin from 'blessed are the peacemakers'. I doubt I will follow those with a simple thirst for battle in the church. The new form of world church, if it comes to that, will need to take hearts and minds with it. People will seek to understand your motives and intentions. The way you come across will matter. God bless you both.
Interesting take on Asbury. Also an interesting take on corruption especially so since I'm from South Africa where reports of corruption is often on the forefront of the news outlets days.
The book of Revelation is our yard stick for what is ahead. The apostate church is inevitable along with persecutions and a falling away. Stay strong and on the narrow path and comfort one another with the reading of scripture which is the truth. I do hope GAFCON is able to steer the way for us who love the truth of scripture.
What an interesting time with the Asbury revival. I'm excited to see where this revival will go.
Heresy... yes, indeed, the latest of many.
I enjoy your broadcast. I am a Baptist, however I use the BCP regularly. If I were not old and unable to get out to church I would join an Anglican Church.
So glad silent prayers were acquitted in U K, despite all that is going on. Was pleased to read what Archbishop Carey wrote in The Times. Have been following you two for years and agree with your unfussy conservatism . Was grateful for CEN when you were editor, George and am now gr8teful Andrew Carey is now editor: his wonderful Dad wrote about current challenge in The Times: we knew him when my late husband was a very senior student at Trinity in the 60s he was ordained at 61 then served as Chaplain in St Michael’s Paris France where Justin W worshipped at the time he first felt the call to ordination. He,Antony Brown, later worked in the Middle East for the Bible Society. I C S (intercontinental Church Society) will not be favourable to change tads liberalism!
I am bold to assert, that there never was any considerable change wrought in the mind or conversation of any person, by any thing of a religious nature that ever he read, heard, or saw, who had not his affections moved. Never was a natural man engaged earnestly to seek his salvation; never were any such brought to cry after wisdom, and lift up their voice for understanding, and to wrestle with God in prayer for mercy; and never was one humbled, and brought to the foot of God, from any thing that ever he heard or imagined of his own unworthiness and deservings of God’s displeasure; nor was ever one induced to fly for refuge unto Christ, while his heart remained unaffected. Nor was there ever a saint awakened out of a cold, lifeless frame, or recovered from a declining state in religion, and brought back from a lamentable departure from God, without having his heart affected. And, in a word, there never was any thing considerable brought to pass in the heart or life of any man living, by the things of religion, that had not his heart deeply affected by those things. From Jonathan Edwards Treatise on the Religious Affections.
The King is in an impossible position. He's due to be crowned and anointed by a heretic and, if he keeps communion with the former Archbishop of Canterbury, he participates in his heresy outside the Church.
He's a freemason. Dont freemasons support feminism and LGBTQ? Asking for a friend.
@@prayunceasingly2029 Charles isn't a Freemason. His grandfather was, and so were all his male predecessors except for King George VI.
And all British Monarchs bear the title "Defender of the Faith," ever since the Pope gave that to Henry VIII.
@th12wreckage I hope not! My mistake and apologies if he's not.
@@MichaelPetek Queen Elizabeth was a female version of a freemason.
Nice show fellas 👍
I cannot believe that Archbishop Justin Welby, who professed to be Born Again has allowed this.
John Wesley has wise comments on revival in his Journal. These can be read at, Revival: John Wesley preaching at Robin Hood's Bay UK, He compared revivals in Scotland, New England, and in his own experience.
George, at 25:44 you start a statement about a downloadable liturgy somewhere vs. a liturgy in the prayer book in front of you. Respectfully, this is the start of the same line of thought that has brought the C of E to this point. Gavin used a term some time ago on AU, it was NUCLEAR HOLINESS, a term that has stuck with me and added clarification to my understanding of God's word and plan. Even this level of compromise is serious and is to be avoided.
George Conger casually lets it be known that he doesn’t have any time for Eucharistic Adoration . Someone should remind him that the Eucharist is the source and summit of Christian life. What better preparation for Eucharistic reception then is time spent in Eucharistic adoration?
Amen 🙏🏻 brother, Anglo-Catholic to the core
Amen! poor George
As the C of E has not changed the official and biblical definition of marriage, is it yet possible that the Synod may yet throw the new 'blessings' out sometime later in the year?
Yes, it is possible. Is it probable? This is where the legal challenges come into play
No, I don't think so. I think that they will continue pushing for reforms and change of doctrine. They won't be happy until they destroy the Church of England. Don't worry though, they will still get their pensions!
There is no limit to the demands of those who are not accepting the Holy Bible's authority over all humanity. In other words, you cannot appease the lobbying, complaining, factions which are tools determined to put a stake in the heart of the church.
Am a British widow coming up to 95, Nd have been following you two and “extras” such asLee😊😊
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Alexandria isn't below the equator. Nor is Sudan.
The Work of The Church Will Endure. Those Who reside Outside of this Work Will simply be allowed to Burn up and turn to Ash or Fall Away by The Wayside.
Justin Welby needs to repent and be saved.
I have watched a good bit of the Asbury outpouring livestream. My take on this is that the Asbury students have a lot to teach old folks like me. Focusing on Jesus brings unity. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I disagree with many things that other Christians assert, but if we can lift up our hearts in praise to God through our Lord Jesus Christ, we can find a peace that passes understanding.
True Church or False Church? There are no halfway measures mentioned in Scripture, quite the opposite in fact. And God will always bankroll his true Church.
You said left the brotherhood, shouldn't it these days be personhood ? 😆🤣
The personhood of peoplekind!
@@prayunceasingly2029 😆
Ever see the two kid, one male kid and one female kid family? Ever see the three kid two older children of the same sex and the third one after that, so they could get the boy or girl and then "give-up?" Mostly this is due contraception, children have become a thing to have, and the ones YOU choose. God is merely the pizza shop that you call for an order to fulfill your desires. I would be loath to be the third child who only exists because they did not get what they wanted the first 2 times. Imagine the reality of that very real situation and the message in conveys to ALL the children in that family. The message is real, it is tacit, and it says, your value is quite limited to us, you are a thing.
As a Catholic I can assure you that the lunacy relative to sexual identity is not limited merely to the Anglican Church. In my estimation the problem stems from, among many other things, the use of contraception in marriage, which has changed the perception of the purpose of sexual relations. Extremely wide-spread and normalized fornication is the reality of most of the world, absolutely. That is why abortion is a big political football. Pope Paul VI in his encyclical laid it all out as did Pope JPII in his amazing teachings in the Gospel of Life. Sexual relations have devolved into a carnival ride, it is primarily a thing that exists for enjoyment, for gratification, children are merely an afterthought.
Since sex is perceived as for enjoyment, then how one enjoys it is irrelevant THAT is why you see the problem.
Repent from the abuse of the marital act. Men need to MAN-UP. Men need to lead the household in the fullness of God, and have the mere tiny bit of courage it takes to BE A FATHER.
There are exactly two states in the Christian life: celibate or married. It needs to be said, preached, and quite frankly demanded. Sin happens, repentance IS NEEDED.
If the church Catholic Church followed the laws of scripture, so many would not leave the church. But they change the rules to fit society instead of following the word of God!
Outrageous to hear that they know people will die, but …. No !
Evil is what evil does.
When I first heard of Welby's tossing aside innocent lives based on the selfish desire of the CofE to revise Christianity, all I could think of was the scene in Shrek where Lord Farquaard says:
"Some of you will die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make"
"But ours go up to eleven." There ya go, Kevin.
When you are in a no prayer zone and the authorities come and ask you, what are you praying for, answer them this,
I am praying that God will bless you and your family and keep you safe, that when your enemy is upon you gods hand will be upon you also, that he will protect you from harm and from death, that you shall always return home so your wife will not be without a husband and your children without a father, that you should do well in the house of the Lord forever, that you come to know God as he knows you, love your enemies and pray for them, for it is God who delivers them into your hands.
I think all motives can be found among the worshippers at Ashbury. I also believe that God will use it for good regardless of the motives of some individuals.
“The very reverend”. 🤣
I agree. Clergy titles are hilarious and more so the higher you go up the pecking order.
and 'Primates'. 😂Are there any very reverend primates?
The Revivel in Asbury for me It is really from God. Brazil
As an Australian, did Sydney stand with the Global South?
Sydney is very much connected with Gafcon and most Gafcon bishops didn't go to the past two Lambeths. I think that says most of it.
I believe the Anglican Diocese of Sydney has been very sympathetic to Gafcon and the Global South, based on Archbishop Raffel's statement on the recent CofE Synod's grave error on issues of marriage and sex.
Sydney is the only individual diocese that has signed up to the GSFA so far. Sydney is very much in support. Dominic Steele from Sydney just did an interview with Justin Badi Arama supporting this statement. The last Archbishop of Sydney is now bishop of a GAFCON diocese and the previous one was the inaugural GAFCON Secretary General. I'm waiting to see if other Australian dioceses sign up to GSFA.
Sydney didn't sign the statement because the Archbishop of Sydney is no longer a primate.
,unless a man is born again he still belongs to the kingdom of darkness
yes we should all be Baptised
Bless Archbishop Glenn Davies in Australia, leading the charge here…
Are you attending a Diocese of Southern Cross church?
Don’t forget the sin of closing churches without asking the Lord at govt request because of the plandemic.
This might also be why the Lord is judging Anglicanism.
I left to join a church that refused to close, defied the government, won in court and our congregation has grown 500 percent.
Also read the sign of the times gentlemen. Revival is not on the agenda, judgement is next.
The presence of LGBTQ in a society is itself a judgement of God. The judgement has already begun. Repentance could change this to mercy, but in the final judgement at the end of the age this will no longer be possible.
Bring on GAFCON.
So no Anglican revival - yet.
how very sad George doesn't benefit from worshipping Christ in the Holy Eucharist, he's missing out on so much. *Blessed be Jesus in the most Holy Sacrament of the Altar*
Revelation 22: 19 ---- fear GOD ---- not man U.K.
The Global South was right to disassociate itself from the Church of England. Maybe it's time for a new Anglican Communion. The Global South, Gafcon, and anyone else who is interested in preserving and proclaiming the Gospel through an orthodox Anglicanism.
The Catholic Church keeps changing the rules. The sabbath day is Saturday not Sunday! People are leaving the church because these things are happening and looking to walk into a faith led by the Bible. We don’t make the rules, we follow the laws and commandments of God as written in scripture. It’s not the place of anyone to change God’s laws.
Holy Church moved the sabbath , guided by the Holy Spirit because it is the day on which the Lord Rose, this happened 2,000 years ago.
You think that's really a revival?
Kevin stated it is too soon to know if it is a revival.
These 1 hour shows are really stretching me fellas.
For all those who belong to a denomination, these are the results of the teachings of men. But if the Bible is your guide, then you will refute denominations.
I guess it's become a trend, but does anyone really need to sip their drink during an interview? It's an interview, not a coffee break. It's always
so distracting and rude. Front and center while someone is talking, distracting viewers from the person speaking. Then puts in their subconscious to go get a cup and then that brings people away from the interview entirely. I hope this incinsiderate trend soon fades away completely.
All the greats from Dick Cavett, Larry King, and Johny Carson were sippers. But as this in NOT an interview it may matter less.
I agree with and support you on this issue, but candidly isn't the Church of England based on heresy as regards the sanctity of marriage, for example?
yes it is
It is time to officially become a Baptist!!! Have been attending a Baptist church and even baptized by full immersion!!!
Their eschatology is a mess.
Baptist churches are each autonomous, so there is no absolute guarantee that a particular church might not have the same attitude to same-sex relationships as the liberal Anglican bishops.
That said the Baptist Union is very much more conservative than it was in the middle of the last century.
consider the Catholic Church rather than the heretical Baptist churches
@@zachsmith5515 the Catholic Church is even more heretical than the Baptist Church!!!
@@zachsmith5515 Isn't the 'we are the true church' thing getting a bit tired?
No one can stomp on a movement of the Holy Spirit faster than the Methodists.
i love how these nutters tears themselves apart over a non issue
1/ the 'nutters' are sane 2/ it is very much NOT a non issue
Not a very good description George! It is not a blessed sacrament, it is a wafer in a metal container.! With regard to Asbury and your comments regarding the speaking in Tongues, look at the life and ministry of the Reverend A.A. Boddy. It’s a question of Theology.
God forgive you Grahame. be careful about describing the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ as a 'wafer'. the Church has believed this for 2,000 years. ***Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar***
Gave a thumbs down. I'm German and the way you're talking about what my ancestors knew or didn't know is driving me crazy. There were many concentration camps in the Reich, but no extermination camps, why is that? Maybe they'll figure it out on their own. This Anglo-Saxon arrogance disgusts me. Btw: US and GB knew at least since January 44 what is happening in Auschwitz and they did, even after D-Day, nothing - nothing. - On the topic: If you find the situation in the CofE so unbearable, why don't you follow G. Ashenden and become Catholic? What a crap !
right! blame the Americans and the English for the mass murder committed by the Reich government! nothing to do with the Germans
[Andreas Lacher] Boy, what school did you go to?? There is a young female from Germany who has put forth a video on the history of teaching the Germans about THAT REGIME during that period of time, starting within their education system.
No extermination camps!! Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT what she said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, she spoke about students, at a certain grade level, being taken to those monuments of The Third Reich, you know, Auschwitz etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a very good description George! It is not a blessed sacrament, it is a wafer in a metal container.! With regard to Asbury and your comments regarding the speaking in Tongues, look at the life and ministry of the Reverend A.A. Boddy. It’s a question of Theology.
God forgive you Grahame. be careful about describing the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ as a 'wafer'. the Church has believed this for 2,000 years. **Blessed be Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar**