jaejae's program MMTG has always been different from other shows and for those who criticize her declining the request never seen the show before. watch the episode when svt come as a guest, she once ask a member to do something but then said "dont do it if you dont want to, we dont want to put preasure on our guest" the guest decline and they moved on. jaejae herself is part of the production team and she is one of the mc that always kind, accomodating, understanding towards idols.
The problem with Shuhua is not that she refuses to do certain things, in that interview he refused to do something, I don't see that as a bad thing, what I do see as bad is that from the beginning she speak informally to a person, in this case JaeJae that she's not close to, besides, JaeJae told her what happened to being polite referring to the way of speaking informally even the other Gidle members told Shuhua I don't know why you are speaking so informally. This event happened at the beginning of the video so she could change and speak formally using honorifics and this reaction would have been avoided. That's the only problem I see. She can refuse to do something if she doesn't feel comfortable, that's fine but, from the beginning they tell you that you have to be polite referring to speaking formally with honorifics and even so without being close to the presenter you go and don't give a fuck is really disrespectful.
@@gelaita0092 im only adressing the people who are mad at her refusing a request in general, it cleraly says that she is rude for refusing a request. yes shes been in korea for long period of time but we cant realy forget that formal speaking doesnt really exist in chinese and there are times she still needs translation from yuqi. i wouldnt say as far as she doesnt give a fuk or shes rude. i think she just doesnt know how to read the room and how far the bounderies are since she doesnt really speak formally in chinese and to her members (belive me she calls everyone with "ya")
@@andhiniretno3886 This is true but she has been in this country for so long and also these are basic things that she already learnt. ok it's fine. she really doesn't know that much about these things and neverlands know this but what wrong here was jaejae already told her to talk formally and yuqi too. not only one time. she still didn't care. that was when she was wrong
@@andhiniretno3886 how did she doesn't know if the members and jae jae tell her to talk respecfully and formally, you have no sense if you think she don't know. Is not that bad to accept that Shuhua is rude, she is rude, the way she talk to olders informally is rude that why Korean are complaining is not because she refuses to do something is because of the way she talk informally to someone who is older and also she is not close to.
no, she did the right thing, if she is uncomfortable with something she can reject, im glad that she can stand up for herself and i hope more idols will do this
it’s not about her declining. It’s about her using informal speech to somebody older than her in a work setting. It’s very rude in Korea and she should know better
@ExOsa Why must you insult me when I didn’t insult you, nor Shuhua? I simply explained how what Shuhua did is wrong. I speak Korean, and that’s why I understand how jarring this is. It’s not something you can easily explain. Speaking informally to the wrong person is a culturally rude thing, and when I say people don’t do it, I mean it. It’s like calling your mother by her first name. People just don’t do it, and when they do, it’s shocking and taken as disrespect. This comparison is not meant to be taken literally, but it’s to show that there are unwritten social rules about what is rude. In this case, you don’t understand the social nuance because you don’t speak Korean, and so it seems like people are needlessly attacking Shuhua. Koreans aren’t overreacting, and you implying so is very culturally insensitive. Its made worse by the fact that JJ maintained formal speech, while Shuhua did not. This is not how things work in Korea, and clearly JJ wished to maintain formal speech. it’s not about being offended on behalf of others. When you go on the RUclips comments, it’s only Koreans being shocked and offended by her use of informal speech. When you incorrectly use informal speech, it is taken like you are reducing the other person, regardless of your intentions. Also, it is a ‘work’ setting. Shuhua was not invited because JJ wanted to hang out with her, they were invited to promote. And even still, honorifics are used no matter the setting. It’s a matter of politeness and mutual respect. JJ definitely minded and was taken aback by her informality, but what can she really do except make a joke about it, which she did? Regardless of whether JJ was offended, Shuhua disrespected the Korean culture of politeness. As a fan, I think you should at least be able to admit when your idols are wrong. You won’t lose anything, and Shuhua has everything to gain. This is deeply offensive to Koreans, and that is the country in which they operate.
It's not about declining a request, it's about how informal she is to the interviewer. She uses the most informal speech in korean to speak with someone in a professional setting, and someone that uses the formal language. You clearly aren't familiar with Korean culture to believe that she did nothing wrong. Speaking in an informal way is very rude and condescending since only people who are higher than you in hierarchy can speak to you that way in a professional setting. Exept that she is not here. It's kinda implying that she's better than him and that she doesn't care. Koreans are mad at her for her rudeness, not because she refused something
@@kellykimbi9101 i watched it. She spoke very informally which is frown upon in korea. No one cares about her declining, even if she did it in the end. This is not what it is about. It's about the way she talked which is very disrespectful in korea. In korean, they are different level of speech formalities, and she spoke very casually when she should have used the formal speech.
Typical stan protecting their idol even when the evidence is right there in front of them. Rude is rude. Lack of discipline and manners deserve to be corrected. If it's a language barrier, culture gap, which i doubt, they should fix that asap. She does look full of herself and took Queencard literally even when it's inappropriate anymore. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Nah bro u didn't understand its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! And knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
@@rikouwu6317 im asian and i agree that formality is important but if the host doesn't feel uncomfortable or offended then there really isn't a problem.
wait... they actually founded this rude? is she supposed to just shut her mouth and accept everything the mc want her to do? and if she want to post a pic with messy lipstick she can, its not illegal.
Nah bro u didn't understand its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! It wouldn't have mattered if she answered the same thing but in a formal manner !! knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
I feel like shuhua gets into a lot of these kind of scandals and it just shows that fans really aren't ready for a "real" idol who says what they want, literally proof that fans want the idols to continue acting like polite robots to avoid scandals
Oh yes of course speaking to an older person in an informal way is OF COURSE not rude, is it? She declined what she doesn’t want to do and YES I LIKED THAT. But the sassy and rude attitude? NO, like literally, nauseating and revolting AND ITS SO F RUDE. 😀 Edit: Shut up if ur not Asian, argue to the wall
the host just overreacted to her responses cause that's what hosts do to be entertaining. for the first "rude" or as he called it "impolite" response, he asked her about her solo dance during "hann" and was like "did you think this is my part, i'm gonna tear this up?" and shuhua simply said "no i felt under a lot of pressure". then asked her why she posted a "messy" pic where she's eating ramen and saying "i'm still eating it despite it being spicy" and she was caught off guard and minnie was trying to justify it by saying "oh cause it looked like lipstick" and shuhua was like "yeah it looked like lip..um...it's...what do you want me to do?!" like was she just supposed to apologize for not looking perfect all the time idk what the host even expected her to say? then they all laughed and she was like "i was in a good mood there (in that picture), i was happy that i had a full stomach, i was happy ok, so i decided to post that!" and he said "so you just post it and don't care" etc.
its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! It wouldn't have mattered if she answered the same thing but in a formal manner !! knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
@@rikouwu6317 everyone is saying “it’s about how she answered it” but no one is judging the host for what they asked in the first place and what lead to her reactions, that’s why context matters.
@@user-kys673 the host was polite from what i saw and even if shuhua was offended by her questions she need not had to drop the honorifics while answering !! She could have politely declined without using informal language..If u a kpop stan u should know formal language is to be used towards seniors esp in korea without exceptions!!
@@rikouwu6317 why do you care so much? it’s just how shuhua speaks. if someone is saying disrespectful shit to you and trying to provoke you you’re still expected to respect them and be formal? get that toxic backwards mindset out of here. “respect your elders” only if they respect you first.
That’s not the issue of course idols should be able to speak up about such things however its the tone she used and how she said it rather rudely and the fact that she used informal language that is making people uncomfortable.
It's not about declining a request, it's about how informal she is to the interviewer. She uses the most informal speech in korean to speak with someone in a professional setting, and someone that uses the formal language. You clearly aren't familiar with Korean culture to believe that she did nothing wrong. Speaking in an informal way is very rude and condescending since only people who are higher than you in hierarchy can speak to you that way in a professional setting. Exept that she is not here. It's kinda implying that she's better than him and that she doesn't care.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c man, I know I’m not Korean and not really familiar with Korean and Asian cultures, but I do know about stuff like speaking to your elders and informal speech, but to be honest, I don’t really see a difference in the tone. I’m not trying to be rude but it really doesn’t sound rude, even though shuhua is my bias, if it made the interviewer uncomfortable that’s not okay and something completely different. Now I don’t even really know when people are being rude, so I can’t really say anything honestly.
Im surprised international fans arent rlly talking about this i mean the comments on the video are full of koreans criticizing her behavior and her improper use of honorifics (?) But i think we should be more open minded towards people who are more familiar wih the language and culture and criticized her in good faith...its not hate its criticism, i think kpop stans need to learn how to distinguish the two.
Or maybe knetz needs to stop being babies its 2023. Korean culture alienates themself. Compare American and Korean. Koreans would die if they see the shitd american artist does.
the funny thing is those people who think she is rude, a mature people are able to determine whether she is rude or not she has the right to be honest and no one can force her to do or say something she don't want to do . this is suck like LET THESE IDOLS BREATH AND BEING THEMSELVES !!!!!!
But the way she spoke was rude. She was spoke very informally which is rude in korea. Talking informally in a professional setting isn't being who she is, it's being rude. In korea, you respect speech formalities.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c honorifics are dumb, she should be able to not use them if she doesn't wanna, and that's exactly what she's doing 🤷🏻♀️ good for her
@@rikouwu6317 Idk why do you care about her so much? Just live your own life. There are people for her to take care of her such as Soyeon, Miyeon, Minnie, Soojin, Yuqi, the company, her parents, her friends, her international friends and families, relatives, her boyfriend, her girlfriend. JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND LET HER LIVE ON HER OWN!
@@ANCELELLIACORPORATION When this come to MC, ppl take a initiative why y'all care about such a things bla bla bla. Put ur shuhua on that MC position instead. Guest talk informally & using no honorific in speech with ur shuhua. All of you came attack the mc, asking for apologize to Shuhua. Double standard fans
It's about her not using a polite form of speech. (Honorifics) Unless it's OK for the other person to talk casually, it's not OK to talk without honorifics just because you feel like it. She can reject things she doesn't want to do/say. Just be respectful about it, that's all.
There's something called nunchi in korea which is the ability to read the room and people emotions. It need social skill and awareness. Don't get me wrong, i really love shuhua because she's honest and straightforward person but there's a line as an entertainer to know how to place herself and know how to behave in a certain situation. Shuhua usually does something that's not in the place which can make other person feel uncomfortable. I think rather that hate comments that will make her defensive or stress, fans should tell her and explain it to her so she can learn. I hope she will improve later.
You , SPITTING FACTS !!! OMG! Finally I found a mature comment.. she was involved in manners controversy so many times, she should know better as an entertainer.. she's an entertainer, it's her job to entertain people as long as it's not cross the line.. variety shows like this doesn't happen everyday so why not just fulfill all the requests as long as they're not causing any harms..
Just read " ok " comment here cause this isn't it and shuhua is the whom uncomfortable here and always honest and straight forward bout that. Also boundaries... And shuhua knows it okay?
Wow, so that's what Nunchi means in Blackpink The Game mini-game. It makes a lot of sense for that mini-game too. I've always wondered but never looked it up. Plus, I think I heard Jennie say that word in DDU-DU-DDU-DU. Thank you for informing me on this! Also, nice comment. I admire how you approached this situation with book & pen instead of pitchfork & torch.
We are not the ones who should teach her about this, the company should teach which they aren't doing. I think Soyeon will take a harsh step over this.
In my opinion, it is Korean culture to speak respectfully to people who are older. Her reaction does not mean any harm because she has to make some dramatic facial expressions to shoot a variety show that will attract viewers. Yuqi's comment on her speaking informally is actually a reminder to help her understand that she spoke informally. I don’t understand why it is wrong to decline a request from the host. Just because they are idols, they cannot reject things that make them uncomfortable.
I hope everyone watches the full vid before jumping into the narrative and have their own opinion because at the end of the vid shuhua thanked the host and compliments her.
The host was criticising Shuhua for posting a ‘messy’ photo of herself. She was obviously caught off guard by such a rude comment. Why should she reply with honorifics, meant to show respect, to someone who doesn’t respect her in return? Her reply wasn’t even rude, she just didn’t kiss his feet or whatever the fuck is expected of her 🙄
How was asking ‘Is there are specific reason you posted the picture with the smudged lipstick?’ Is a question because the host is just a host and she has to do what’s in the script and JaeJae is well known for being kind hearted and not being two-faced. JaeJae wasn’t criticising Shuhua at all and not being rude whatsoever. Shuhua had no excuse to not use formal language towards JaeJae and yes, her reply was rude. Not only did Shuhua reply using informal speech, she basically said 'Ok, so? What you want me to do about it?' Shuhua has lived in Korea for nearly 7 years, so it's extremely disrespectful saying that.
i hope people stop comparing shuhua to the other 2 foreigners in the group, those 2 are very fast learner and know how to adapt quickly and its not really the case for shuhua. yuqi and minnie now have attain top level of korean language certification and yuqi mention its not like that for shuhua, i know sometimes they are joking but she even still have a hard time with pronouciation let alone being witty and 'reading the room' in a talk/variety show in korean. you can always see shuhua sttutering and thinking a lot (like uh oh and not fluently talking) and she just ended up blurting what ever comes to her mind, that's why she ended up using banmal (informal languge) a lot bcs shes more used to speaking it
@@bboombayah4662 i mean leaving and learning a languge for 6 years (she cane in 2017) doesnt automaticaly make you the best at talking/thinking and navigating a variety show, im not a once but i know tzuyu came to a radio program, she has been in korea for so long but the dj still has to ask the question a few times, explain context bcs she is a foreigner, let her think longer in answering questions, even for btob peniel (in korea for 13 years) variety is still hard for him bcs he is american and his jokes are very sarcastic and a lot of the time it would get editted out or the cast/crew would find it weird, he also said he is not the best at reading the room and have no filter. bcs of that he became very self concious, quiet on camera, and have way less screen time than other btob members so yeah i dont think its that simple
@@waitwhat1884 no. Her declining the request is absolutely okay and the video is wrong about that. The reason why she was criticized a lot because of that interview is because she spoke very informally. In korean, there are different level of speach formalities, and the most commonly use is formal speech. In this interview, shuhua used informal which is only used with people who you are really close to or younger people. Since she used it in a professional setting, it is very rude and frown upon in korea. Even the interviewer talked about that lack of formality (in a jokingly way maybe to not make things awkward while still telling her that she was being too informal). In korean culture, it's not okay to speak so informally in a professional setting.
Educate yourself before blabbering. It's about the manner of speech and words used. Of course hating on her is bad, but she's an adult who spent years in Korea. She should know better. Her groupmates should teach her more.
For the informal speech after Jaejae's question, i seriously think she was taken aback by the question and totally forgot to use honorifics which she apologized for by the way. And she can decline a request if she wants to
This is why 99% of the foreign idols don’t have the “boss baby” or “savage” image. Knetizens just hate foreign idols for the smallest reasons possible. I honestly wish Shuhua could tone down her blunt personality a little bit on camera, for the sake of her own career and safety. Because we all know how extremist the Korean antis can get.
This video is wrong. She isn't criticize in korea because she declined something. Her declining the request is absolutely okay and the video is wrong about that. The reason why she was criticized a lot because of that interview is because she spoke very informally. This is whe ghe host called shuhua out for her informality. In korean, there are different level of speach formalities, and the most commonly use is formal speech. In this interview, shuhua used informal which is only used with people who you are really close to or younger people. So if you are neither of those cases but uses informal speech, it's like implying that you are better than the other person and juste rude. Since she used it in a professional setting with someone who talked to her in formal speech, it is very rude and frown upon in korea. Even the interviewer talked about that lack of formality (in a jokingly way maybe to not make things awkward while still telling her that she was being too informal). In korean culture, it's not okay to speak so informally in a professional setting. I hate how non Korean fans are defending her saying that it's not a big deal when they don't even know how korean culture works and how what she did is rude in korea.
I don't care about shuhua's fans but it is really going out of hand....is she trying to act cool or what ...this is so rude when another one is speaking so politely...well fame can't teach you manners...😢
I'm from Europe so I don't really understand scandals about being informal cause of cultural difference. I wish they would be more honest and themselves as it is in Europe or US and it's sad to see that they can't
Exactly my friend. I'm European too and I think that honorifics are ridiculous. Asian countries are EXCESSIVELY reserved and conservative, that can't be good in any way!!!
@@orianamandi I'm an Asian living in Europe and people here use honorifics for people that are older or unfamiliar to us - „Siezen“ in German. Americans also use Sir and Ma'am to address people higher than them. So your argument isn't valid. Being polite isn't limited to "EXCESSIVELY reserved and conservative" Asians but to rich and progressive countries as well. As a foreigner, it's your duty to adapt to their culture like Shuhua is to Koreans. Otherwise, why live there in a foreign country in the first place? Most countries also have a rule or two for being polite btw.
Stop trying to put your western culture in korea. If your not happy about it, don't say anything. You don't get to talk about another country's culture.
@YeonLover Still you show respect. The commentator above is generalizing Europeans and Americans as not showing honorifics. This is WRONG. We show honorifics here in Germany.
ok i think i understand it now so its not that she did anything wrong it's just that she was speaking informally and declined request which in Korea i think is a big deal when someone doesn't follow Honorifics so yeah it is more a cultural thing people overseas shouldn't and most likely wont think she is being rude. She is straightforward and honest something that isn't wrong unless people twist it around and make it a bad thing which is happening in this case.
The problem with Shuhua is not that she refuses to do certain things, in that interview he refused to do something, I don't see that as a bad thing, what I do see as bad is that from the beginning she speak informally to a person, in this case JaeJae that she's not close to, besides, JaeJae told her what happened to being polite referring to the way of speaking informally even the other Gidle members told Shuhua I don't know why you are speaking so informally. This event happened at the beginning of the video so she could change and speak formally using honorifics and this reaction would have been avoided. That's the only problem I see. She can refuse to do something if she doesn't feel comfortable, that's fine but, from the beginning they tell you that you have to be polite referring to speaking formally with honorifics and even so without being close to the presenter you go and don't give a fuck is really disrespectful.
People don't understand that it's not what she said that matters, but HOW she said it. It was like she was trying to shut herself off and show that she wasn't interested, even though they were the ones who came here, it wasn't some random person on the street. Also her nationality should never be an excuse, we know a lot of China idols that their nationality doesn't stop them from respecting other people She used to be my bias but now her straightforwardness is actually rudeness, there's a fine line between the two, but it's there. No one is talking about perfect, but just a little more respect?
I think it’s fine as long as the host isn’t offended, they seemed fine with it. If it was really a problem they could’ve just recorded another one. But other than that, I do think she should be a bit more respectful if she didn’t know the host but I’m assuming she does cus she said “Was Shuhua always like this?”.
@@pix1943 Hmmm I don't think they're very close, maybe it's just that the show is more free and they were told they could take it easy. It's just that if you look at the other contestants, they are clearly uncomfortable with the way Shuhua is acting. I've seen their other interviews and honestly this is the first time the others are silent or laughing nervously while one speaks
@@LuvSailor it's like this is the only 5 second video of her being rude to anyone. it's not that anyone is trying to make her look rude on purpose or specifically emphasize it, it's that her words and behavior make me feel uncomfortable. i think this is enough for her to stop being my bias? it's not even about the picture, there is nothing wrong with her. it's just her responses and behavior because i believe she can be gentler
The person she was talking with doesn't even bother yet these people make big deal of something that wasn't even a problem to begin with. Can't we just let idols do what they want?
they find this rude bcs fans r used to kpop idols doing everything they r told to do that's why when sm1 declines smth bcs they r not comfortable of doing they call it "rude and disrespectful"
Whether intentional or not, Shuhua's behavior would come across abrasive no matter who it was (and she seems aware that she has built herself a reputation of rude behavior)...BUT Jaejae asking "what happened to being polite"... the same person a year or so ago who literally filmed herself putting up a collage of SNSD album posters while intentionally stacking each one on top of wherever Jessica's face was? The end result looked like Jessica was headless or never existed. What happened to being polite, Jaejae?
nah you are jinxing it fr her career won't be ruined lol... hopefully that doesn't happen tho like I get it...she crossed the line a bit but hopefully she'll learn from all this in the future and improve herself🌙⭐
u hating is so funny and whenever I see one of ur comments I know damn well ur gonna get called out and roasted by some person doing a angels work in the replies 😹 shuhua will always be more pretty, rich, talented, and more successful then you’ll ever be
i don't think people understand, although i dont think we need to bash at her for this necessarily but i do want to make it clear that using honorifics is really, LIKE REALLY, important in most asian countries. especially to elders, and knowing south koreas strict rules about honorifics it's only natural they get mad at her for not using them despite being in the industry for years. she messed up but it's not end of the world, but it's not okay.
It can be cultural, though. I emphathize with her, as i grew up with two cultures, born in the usa to korean immigrants. It always felt like I was unintentionally doing the wrong thing and misunderstanding others. What's okay in a situation in one land wont be the same in another. Sometimes people (me) can come off rude and I only found out later, bc I didnt mean it that way at all. I'm also someone who often makes mistakes. It's better to approach people who make mistakes with grace and teach them rather than with judgement.
@@scarletwarlock9325 no i don't hate her, i hate how people who are uneducated about korean culture talk in the comments and defend her without knowing the different speech level of korean. People love to defend their fave without even understanding what she did and what she did was bad. I am just trying to educate and explain the situation to the people in the comments. No one wants idols to be robot, at least I don't, i just want them to be respectful.
Isn't this the same show when Hoshi was asked to do something he decided not to do it? Not to mention the host said herself that the program doesn't like to push people if they're uncomfortable.
She has the right to make decisions for her self,she's a grown woman let her do what she wants it's her life her choice.Shuhua dont listen to them bc they just want to put pressure on u,do what u want❤❤❤
Ok… so she posted a picture with messy lipstick because she’s an adult woman and can do that, and declined a request because she’s an adult woman and can do that. What’s up with infantilizing idols and expecting them to just be doormats?
She’s gone under fire for this type of behavior sooo many times before lmao. I won’t be shocked if stuff comes out about her in the future. It’s so obvious now and it’s kind of funny how she doesn’t try to hide it now. She used to be my bias too. Many people might not understand her actions of being a big deal (especially for the Western fans). However, as I was born and raised in Japan, it really is just more about her attitude and entitlement that rubs people the wrong way, not necessarily the actual things she says. It’s all about the subtext. Especially that last clip of her. Like yikes. Her tone of voice, her expression, her not even looking at the MC, and holding out her hand in a defensive way, with an attitude of, “Just do what you have to do so we can get this over with”.
i think she has the right to decline or say things but yeah the way she says things can come off as really rude. i like that she’s straightforward though but like you said it doesn’t always work in her favor and it could possibly come back to haunt her. i don’t stan or listen to much of idle but i always liked her
When did being rude became straight forward and sassy and cool? She can decline rather than acting like that... the mc isnt even mean that guy is just doing his job and always smiled at her rude remarks. She can decline whatever she isnt comfortable with rather than embarrassing the mc by acting like that
Even in Eunchae's diary. She's trying to exert alpha mentality over the young girl in a humurous but awkward way. I started wondering, hmm. something's a bit off.. Then this other segment popped up.. it's true that it's good to be yourself, but you can't avoid people cricizing you especially if what you show them is unacceptable or frowned upon in their culture. Management should teach the girls humility and reality check them every once in a while before their head get too big. How they are percieved in some instances is bad influence to some especially kpop is full of kids and child-minded adults. They may copy this attitude and be full of themselves.
Shuha is rude I'm happy people could her out on this she deserved it just because somebody was always straight forward doesn't mean they can't change there is also Minnie and yuqi that are foreigners are they rude she is super cocky and so great she ain't like that Before yall come for me I'm a never land I love them but it doesn't mean I will a lways baby them because they ain't babies and say they are right in every thing they do it's my opinion you have your opinion I don't care don't y'all dare be rude to me and we can't say they are always right cause they ain't pls be respectful I'm saying thin again it's my opinion I think fame has gone to her head
Perhaps she is not a rude person but lacks tact so comes across as being rude. So instead of saying, no I don't want to answer your question, say something instead like, sorry I'm not comfortable answering that question.
Well.. I know this is not an easy concept to understand for the people in this comment section, but it can actually be considered as rude in Korea. Don't get me wrong, I am native Korean and I have an official membership of Neverland but I've always thought Shuhua was standing on the edge. As a person who cares her so much, I always thought someone should teach her. I want her to stay natural as herself is but at the same time I knew she will be in some trouble for that someday. And I'm pretty sure many Korean Neverlands thought the same and I even saw someone saying the same thing 2 years ago. I'm not saying she's rude. She's not rude. She just doesn't know. You can speak in '반말' (informal way of speech) to someone but there is an unspoken rule in this society. Shuhua just doesn't know the rule. You can think this is silly but this is a really sensitive and serious matter (not to me but to all Koreans). Remember what happened to Yewon from Jewerly ten years ago.
@@willowpillow7917 I mean, she knows there's a rule but clearly she doesn't know the details. Originally, you learn the rule through tiral and error, by hangning around with many Korean friends but sadly she might not have enough experiences because she's an introvert. So I think someone should've taught her more seriuosly. Someone from her company should've monitored it and told her already.
@@willowpillow7917 Um.. I genuinely think she doesn't know. She's still very very very bad at spaking in Korean. She only hangs out with Taiwanese, Chinese friends in private such as Tzuyu, Handong. She is living with a Taiwanese friend. I doubt she had real interactions with Koreans other than her Korean members and staffs, who are generally in favor of Shuhua's side. It doesn't matter how long she's been living in here when she's stuck in comfort zone. You can say I'm overly protecting her, but to me, my guess is more natural than 'Shuhua is being rude on purpose'.
She´s not obligated to please anyone. If people asked you to do something you're not comfortable with, and you knew it was going to be on air for everyone to see, would you do it? if you say yes, you're lying to yourself
Guys polite culture is Human BASE in Korea, even if you hate a person with all your soul, you won't change the level of politness. THEY ARE NO ONE TO EACH OTHER. Why should he use polite speech, while she uses panmal (informal)? In Korean this means the person is LOWER THAN YOU in society, he is LESS respected. It's OK if you are friends and both use panmal, but it's obviously not this case
Where is the problem by saying she don‘t want to act like other actresses? It‘s actually pretty rude that all MCs asked her why she posted a ugly pic and why she didn’t deleted it. She is just being herself and there is nothing rude about it. And we all know that Shuhua is probably not even interested in such rumors...she knows herself and Neverland know her too.
I feel like it's not about the request but the way she spoke informally, since from what i've learnt one thing that is really important in korea is speaking formally, that's why i feel like they found her disrespectful but aside from that her declining a request wasn't something to make a huge deal about because it's normal. ( now i'm not korean nor have ever been to korea but i've been a kpop fan for a long time and this is what i think is one of the most important things in korea, now if i'm wrong correct me )
I don't know why people defend her. Not because they didn't find it rude that doesn't mean it isn't, come on cultural differences which Shuhua knows about. Being rude is not a personality trait.
@@nayoungisahamster Y'all wanna find any reason to jump on a hate bandwagon. This is how Shuhua is. She's always informal, even in Taiwan she acts this way on variety shows there. You and Barbara need to get over it.
You kpop fans don’t own those idols.Please stop expecting them to behave or act according to your standard. They are human too, they are bound to make mistakes right here and there
@@nayoungisahamstershuhua is a bit too straight forward at times so that's why she comes across as being rude or impolite from what I've observed...I don't think she did it intentionally tho... hopefully she'll learn from all this in the future
I think Shuhua has the right to do so. If she didn't want to do what the host requested, she doesn't have to; she's not obliged to do everything she's requested to do. I don't think she was being extremely rude when she told the host what she said, she was just saying what...I think most people would say in that situation. I don't know too much about Korean language itself, so I don't know a lot about the parts of it being informal and formal. Although, I don't think Shuhua should be required to be "nice" and "polite," and not just Shuhua, but all idols, since well...they are humans too and they aren't nice all the time.
anyone can hate me, but i agree with this, shuhua really needs to follow the culture there. Me as an asian too, felt that its a bit rude to talk informally to someone older than us. Please do differentiate being sassy/cool to being polite/respectful.
let her be her. Just because she's an idol, it doesn't mean that she has to embody everything that is perfect. She's human too, and an adult. She can do what she wants, and if she doesn't feel comfortable with something he's asking, she doesn't have to do it. I think once someone becomes an idol, people immediately think that they should all behave perfectly.
okay of course the declining requests makes perfect sense, go shuhua! but i did find the informal language pretty shocking and i can get behind offence for that
she has rights, she can decline one request if she feels uncomfortable. imagine it was a sus movie, you would understand completely why so I really don’t get why this is a issue.
Shuhua is the last thing K-netz need to get bunched up over. The MC had every opportunity to go over the show script and segments before springing that on Shuhua. What was she supposed to do? She politely stated that she didn't like that kind of request. Gotta love The Shuhua ❤
@YeonLover Welp idk about knetz but I don’t like her bc I think her skills r severely lacking, including visuals and she’s so loud and annoying trying to steal the other members spotlight at all times
Mc cool with shuhua declining the request. No one: absolutely no one: Not even god: Sensitive Knetz who got nothing better to do and need to touch some grass: I took that personally. 💀💀
She was using informal language in a formal setting to her senior. I've never seen an idol do this in front of cameras, especially in Korea where politeness is important.
I don't think rejecting something is rude or mannerless, she just said 'i don't like these kind of things' like what else could she say other than that? There is no politer to say that sentence.
By the way Shu Hua as a Taiwanese, in the eyes of a Malaysian audience myself towards Taiwanese variety shows, Shu Hua is actually is considered in quite okay manner but could be wild sometimes in controllable manner. She speaks brilliantly and in Taiwanese context (and also me as a Malaysian) Shu Hua knows what she is doing and she controls what she wants and do what she likes and politely to refuse requests that she thinks it's uncomfortable for her and she is also considered as a person with distinctive personality ;) I actually quite like her personality after they started to release 'Tomboy' and I started to see their true colours in their music work. That's the attitude gal =D Before 'Tomboy' I only know (G)-IDLE kinda quite a hit among K-pop community but the works they putting out there didn't even spark a tiny interest/curiosity in me towards their off-stage stuffs LOL I used to think Shu Hua is a timid girl LOL But now I see her as common Taiwanese artist with a clear cut attitude. Once ago a famous Malaysian RUclipsr / celebrity, Namewee, gave a clear cut statement through one of his famous music work, 'Ghost Island', which clearly describe how Taiwan is one of the world's weirdest most freedom and most daring place on the unlimited boundary of speech freedom! While the China member, if you watch the recent Uncle Roger get cancelled by CCP gag short video, you will understand she grew in such constricted country with communism political ideology environment...
People when they realise that Idols are also humans with real emotions and can't always put up the positive,ranbow pooped unicorn energy all the time and have their bad days: 😲😲😲😲😲
Come on, it’s not rude. It’s Shuhua proving she’s the Boss Baby. Like really, watch the full version; she’s completely toying around with the host. Even the others said, “oh, she wants to do what SHE wants”
Because standing your ground makes you rude ? because she is in this industry she has to obey everything and comply whenever shes asked to do something, why ? y'all only respect reall obedient girls ? rude for you but strong for us
Shuhua has right to refuse any request. For god sake Leave the girl alone. Korea media,ppl, society, the country it’s psycho🙂🤡. No idol no actors can be human they want a robot that do what ever the korean wants. Love shuhua❤
She has the right to decline something!? Also she has always been honest and straight forward, we have known her for 4 years. Get a grip and leave her alone.
@@jisoo_1424 Yeah but that doesn’t excuse her speaking informally even the other members were confused because she was the only one. K-Netz even think it was disrespectful and it’s their language.
@@nnn9854 remember, Shuhua isn't fluent in Korean since she's from Taiwan so there is a chance that she got her words mixed up and it came out informal
And then they wonder why idols end up unaliving themselves... so to appear with "manners", the idols must never speak up and keep everything to themselves and appear okay at all times. They have to do whatever is asked of them as it is "manners" to be forced to do stuff they are uncomfortable with. Fake smiles and laughs everywhere. From what I know, this is how Shuhua is and she shouldn't have to change to fit a certain standard mold. Idols need to be more of themselves, than the fake standard perfect idol. 🤷♀
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jaejae's program MMTG has always been different from other shows and for those who criticize her declining the request never seen the show before. watch the episode when svt come as a guest, she once ask a member to do something but then said "dont do it if you dont want to, we dont want to put preasure on our guest" the guest decline and they moved on. jaejae herself is part of the production team and she is one of the mc that always kind, accomodating, understanding towards idols.
The problem with Shuhua is not that she refuses to do certain things, in that interview he refused to do something, I don't see that as a bad thing, what I do see as bad is that from the beginning she speak informally to a person, in this case JaeJae that she's not close to, besides, JaeJae told her what happened to being polite referring to the way of speaking informally even the other Gidle members told Shuhua I don't know why you are speaking so informally. This event happened at the beginning of the video so she could change and speak formally using honorifics and this reaction would have been avoided. That's the only problem I see. She can refuse to do something if she doesn't feel comfortable, that's fine but, from the beginning they tell you that you have to be polite referring to speaking formally with honorifics and even so without being close to the presenter you go and don't give a fuck is really disrespectful.
@@gelaita0092 im only adressing the people who are mad at her refusing a request in general, it cleraly says that she is rude for refusing a request. yes shes been in korea for long period of time but we cant realy forget that formal speaking doesnt really exist in chinese and there are times she still needs translation from yuqi. i wouldnt say as far as she doesnt give a fuk or shes rude. i think she just doesnt know how to read the room and how far the bounderies are since she doesnt really speak formally in chinese and to her members (belive me she calls everyone with "ya")
@@andhiniretno3886 This is true but she has been in this country for so long and also these are basic things that she already learnt. ok it's fine. she really doesn't know that much about these things and neverlands know this but what wrong here was jaejae already told her to talk formally and yuqi too. not only one time. she still didn't care. that was when she was wrong
@@Sammmm85 thank you so much for understand my point
@@andhiniretno3886 how did she doesn't know if the members and jae jae tell her to talk respecfully and formally, you have no sense if you think she don't know. Is not that bad to accept that Shuhua is rude, she is rude, the way she talk to olders informally is rude that why Korean are complaining is not because she refuses to do something is because of the way she talk informally to someone who is older and also she is not close to.
no, she did the right thing, if she is uncomfortable with something she can reject, im glad that she can stand up for herself and i hope more idols will do this
I AGREE! However she could have been kinder with her words!
She did the right thing but with the wrong gestures
it’s not about her declining. It’s about her using informal speech to somebody older than her in a work setting. It’s very rude in Korea and she should know better
@I thats true as well! I hope I didn’t sound offensive 😅
@ExOsa Why must you insult me when I didn’t insult you, nor Shuhua? I simply explained how what Shuhua did is wrong. I speak Korean, and that’s why I understand how jarring this is. It’s not something you can easily explain. Speaking informally to the wrong person is a culturally rude thing, and when I say people don’t do it, I mean it. It’s like calling your mother by her first name. People just don’t do it, and when they do, it’s shocking and taken as disrespect. This comparison is not meant to be taken literally, but it’s to show that there are unwritten social rules about what is rude. In this case, you don’t understand the social nuance because you don’t speak Korean, and so it seems like people are needlessly attacking Shuhua. Koreans aren’t overreacting, and you implying so is very culturally insensitive. Its made worse by the fact that JJ maintained formal speech, while Shuhua did not. This is not how things work in Korea, and clearly JJ wished to maintain formal speech. it’s not about being offended on behalf of others. When you go on the RUclips comments, it’s only Koreans being shocked and offended by her use of informal speech. When you incorrectly use informal speech, it is taken like you are reducing the other person, regardless of your intentions.
Also, it is a ‘work’ setting. Shuhua was not invited because JJ wanted to hang out with her, they were invited to promote. And even still, honorifics are used no matter the setting. It’s a matter of politeness and mutual respect. JJ definitely minded and was taken aback by her informality, but what can she really do except make a joke about it, which she did? Regardless of whether JJ was offended, Shuhua disrespected the Korean culture of politeness. As a fan, I think you should at least be able to admit when your idols are wrong. You won’t lose anything, and Shuhua has everything to gain. This is deeply offensive to Koreans, and that is the country in which they operate.
Shuhua has the right to decline a request, Kpop idols don’t have to be so pressured. Shuhua is one of my biases ❤️ Let her be herself
It's not about declining a request, it's about how informal she is to the interviewer. She uses the most informal speech in korean to speak with someone in a professional setting, and someone that uses the formal language. You clearly aren't familiar with Korean culture to believe that she did nothing wrong. Speaking in an informal way is very rude and condescending since only people who are higher than you in hierarchy can speak to you that way in a professional setting. Exept that she is not here. It's kinda implying that she's better than him and that she doesn't care.
Koreans are mad at her for her rudeness, not because she refused something
@@kellykimbi9101 i watched it. She spoke very informally which is frown upon in korea. No one cares about her declining, even if she did it in the end. This is not what it is about. It's about the way she talked which is very disrespectful in korea. In korean, they are different level of speech formalities, and she spoke very casually when she should have used the formal speech.
@@kellykimbi9101 ah yes, non korean people saying that korean culture doesn't matter and that it's not a big deal. Classic.
Typical stan protecting their idol even when the evidence is right there in front of them. Rude is rude. Lack of discipline and manners deserve to be corrected. If it's a language barrier, culture gap, which i doubt, they should fix that asap. She does look full of herself and took Queencard literally even when it's inappropriate anymore. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
@@kellykimbi9101Yassss shut them down!
If this is called rude behavior then I'm losing faith in humanity😂 I thought she had offended someone, and here is such a shitstorm about nothing
Nah bro u didn't understand its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! And knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
@@rikouwu6317 you are replying to every comment here., get a f-cking life!!!
@@rikouwu6317 im asian and i agree that formality is important but if the host doesn't feel uncomfortable or offended then there really isn't a problem.
@@enhaluhvzz Would the host be open about that on camera. Not taking sides, just saying.
@@meotoko77 well then, do we know he's offended or not? 🧐
wait... they actually founded this rude? is she supposed to just shut her mouth and accept everything the mc want her to do? and if she want to post a pic with messy lipstick she can, its not illegal.
Nah bro u didn't understand its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! It wouldn't have mattered if she answered the same thing but in a formal manner !! knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
@@rikouwu6317 they dont get it , if their idols does mistake they suddenly blind
@@rikouwu6317 let me guess, you’re an international fan
@@rikouwu6317 Not all asian culture, only Korea have this level of strict formal speech rule in east Asia.
Shuhua was just kidding with her.
I feel like shuhua gets into a lot of these kind of scandals and it just shows that fans really aren't ready for a "real" idol who says what they want, literally proof that fans want the idols to continue acting like polite robots to avoid scandals
Well that's korean culture. Not much you can do.
Please, this girl is just sassy, not rude. She's just honest and not fake like 99% of idols and she hasn't hurt anyone. Why the drama?
Oh yes of course speaking to an older person in an informal way is OF COURSE not rude, is it? She declined what she doesn’t want to do and YES I LIKED THAT. But the sassy and rude attitude? NO, like literally, nauseating and revolting AND ITS SO F RUDE. 😀
Edit: Shut up if ur not Asian, argue to the wall
So now the people who are making this a big deal think they are polite enough to speck like that 🤨????
It even seems like they are polite all the time😑
the host just overreacted to her responses cause that's what hosts do to be entertaining. for the first "rude" or as he called it "impolite" response, he asked her about her solo dance during "hann" and was like "did you think this is my part, i'm gonna tear this up?" and shuhua simply said "no i felt under a lot of pressure". then asked her why she posted a "messy" pic where she's eating ramen and saying "i'm still eating it despite it being spicy" and she was caught off guard and minnie was trying to justify it by saying "oh cause it looked like lipstick" and shuhua was like "yeah it looked like lip..um...it's...what do you want me to do?!" like was she just supposed to apologize for not looking perfect all the time idk what the host even expected her to say? then they all laughed and she was like "i was in a good mood there (in that picture), i was happy that i had a full stomach, i was happy ok, so i decided to post that!" and he said "so you just post it and don't care" etc.
its not about what she talked about its about how she talked about it without using formal speech and no honorifics which is very important in asian culture!! It wouldn't have mattered if she answered the same thing but in a formal manner !! knetz r right thhis time in criticizing her behaviour towards the host who is 10 years older than her !!
@@rikouwu6317 everyone is saying “it’s about how she answered it” but no one is judging the host for what they asked in the first place and what lead to her reactions, that’s why context matters.
@@user-kys673 the host was polite from what i saw and even if shuhua was offended by her questions she need not had to drop the honorifics while answering !! She could have politely declined without using informal language..If u a kpop stan u should know formal language is to be used towards seniors esp in korea without exceptions!!
@@rikouwu6317 Man why nearly every comment u post the exact same thing to when half of it isn’t relevant to what the comment said
@@rikouwu6317 why do you care so much? it’s just how shuhua speaks. if someone is saying disrespectful shit to you and trying to provoke you you’re still expected to respect them and be formal? get that toxic backwards mindset out of here. “respect your elders” only if they respect you first.
it’s not even rude.. wth. If she doesn’t want to do something , she can stand up and say it. Be realistic people.
That’s not the issue of course idols should be able to speak up about such things however its the tone she used and how she said it rather rudely and the fact that she used informal language that is making people uncomfortable.
It's not about declining a request, it's about how informal she is to the interviewer. She uses the most informal speech in korean to speak with someone in a professional setting, and someone that uses the formal language. You clearly aren't familiar with Korean culture to believe that she did nothing wrong. Speaking in an informal way is very rude and condescending since only people who are higher than you in hierarchy can speak to you that way in a professional setting. Exept that she is not here. It's kinda implying that she's better than him and that she doesn't care.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c man, I know I’m not Korean and not really familiar with Korean and Asian cultures, but I do know about stuff like speaking to your elders and informal speech, but to be honest, I don’t really see a difference in the tone. I’m not trying to be rude but it really doesn’t sound rude, even though shuhua is my bias, if it made the interviewer uncomfortable that’s not okay and something completely different. Now I don’t even really know when people are being rude, so I can’t really say anything honestly.
@@gghostqs for real me neither...I guess I'm just as disrespectful as shuhua then lol I don't understand what she did wrong tho...
@@giselle1929 same, but oh well it’s Asian culture
Im surprised international fans arent rlly talking about this i mean the comments on the video are full of koreans criticizing her behavior and her improper use of honorifics (?) But i think we should be more open minded towards people who are more familiar wih the language and culture and criticized her in good faith...its not hate its criticism, i think kpop stans need to learn how to distinguish the two.
Or maybe knetz needs to stop being babies its 2023. Korean culture alienates themself. Compare American and Korean. Koreans would die if they see the shitd american artist does.
the funny thing is those people who think she is rude, a mature people are able to determine whether she is rude or not she has the right to be honest and no one can force her to do or say something she don't want to do . this is suck like LET THESE IDOLS BREATH AND BEING THEMSELVES !!!!!!
But the way she spoke was rude. She was spoke very informally which is rude in korea. Talking informally in a professional setting isn't being who she is, it's being rude. In korea, you respect speech formalities.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c honorifics are dumb, she should be able to not use them if she doesn't wanna, and that's exactly what she's doing 🤷🏻♀️ good for her
@@ambiguousness girl, you don't get a say in what is dumb or not in another culture. Shuhua lives and works in korea, she respect korean culture.
is it that rude to deny something bc you’re uncomfortable-? what has this world come to
No but its rude to talk informally to a senior in asian culture esp in korea she should have used honorifics
@@rikouwu6317 Idk why do you care about her so much? Just live your own life. There are people for her to take care of her such as Soyeon, Miyeon, Minnie, Soojin, Yuqi, the company, her parents, her friends, her international friends and families, relatives, her boyfriend, her girlfriend. JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE AND LET HER LIVE ON HER OWN!
@@ANCELELLIACORPORATIONLet him/she be taking the pain of the MC not knowing if he/she is really offended at this point😆
@@rikouwu6317 aint she said sorry for that?
@@ANCELELLIACORPORATION When this come to MC, ppl take a initiative why y'all care about such a things bla bla bla. Put ur shuhua on that MC position instead. Guest talk informally & using no honorific in speech with ur shuhua. All of you came attack the mc, asking for apologize to Shuhua. Double standard fans
It's about her not using a polite form of speech. (Honorifics)
Unless it's OK for the other person to talk casually, it's not OK to talk without honorifics just because you feel like it.
She can reject things she doesn't want to do/say. Just be respectful about it, that's all.
Facts-Ice spice in Karma Mv
There's something called nunchi in korea which is the ability to read the room and people emotions. It need social skill and awareness.
Don't get me wrong, i really love shuhua because she's honest and straightforward person but there's a line as an entertainer to know how to place herself and know how to behave in a certain situation. Shuhua usually does something that's not in the place which can make other person feel uncomfortable.
I think rather that hate comments that will make her defensive or stress, fans should tell her and explain it to her so she can learn.
I hope she will improve later.
You , SPITTING FACTS !!! OMG! Finally I found a mature comment.. she was involved in manners controversy so many times, she should know better as an entertainer.. she's an entertainer, it's her job to entertain people as long as it's not cross the line.. variety shows like this doesn't happen everyday so why not just fulfill all the requests as long as they're not causing any harms..
Just read " ok " comment here cause this isn't it and shuhua is the whom uncomfortable here and always honest and straight forward bout that. Also boundaries... And shuhua knows it okay?
Wow, so that's what Nunchi means in Blackpink The Game mini-game. It makes a lot of sense for that mini-game too. I've always wondered but never looked it up. Plus, I think I heard Jennie say that word in DDU-DU-DDU-DU. Thank you for informing me on this!
Also, nice comment. I admire how you approached this situation with book & pen instead of pitchfork & torch.
We are not the ones who should teach her about this, the company should teach which they aren't doing. I think Soyeon will take a harsh step over this.
I think you read the room wrong since everybody was clearly finding it amusing
In my opinion, it is Korean culture to speak respectfully to people who are older. Her reaction does not mean any harm because she has to make some dramatic facial expressions to shoot a variety show that will attract viewers. Yuqi's comment on her speaking informally is actually a reminder to help her understand that she spoke informally. I don’t understand why it is wrong to decline a request from the host. Just because they are idols, they cannot reject things that make them uncomfortable.
I hope everyone watches the full vid before jumping into the narrative and have their own opinion because at the end of the vid shuhua thanked the host and compliments her.
The host was criticising Shuhua for posting a ‘messy’ photo of herself. She was obviously caught off guard by such a rude comment. Why should she reply with honorifics, meant to show respect, to someone who doesn’t respect her in return? Her reply wasn’t even rude, she just didn’t kiss his feet or whatever the fuck is expected of her 🙄
How was asking ‘Is there are specific reason you posted the picture with the smudged lipstick?’ Is a question because the host is just a host and she has to do what’s in the script and JaeJae is well known for being kind hearted and not being two-faced. JaeJae wasn’t criticising Shuhua at all and not being rude whatsoever. Shuhua had no excuse to not use formal language towards JaeJae and yes, her reply was rude. Not only did Shuhua reply using informal speech, she basically said 'Ok, so? What you want me to do about it?' Shuhua has lived in Korea for nearly 7 years, so it's extremely disrespectful saying that.
i hope people stop comparing shuhua to the other 2 foreigners in the group, those 2 are very fast learner and know how to adapt quickly and its not really the case for shuhua. yuqi and minnie now have attain top level of korean language certification and yuqi mention its not like that for shuhua, i know sometimes they are joking but she even still have a hard time with pronouciation let alone being witty and 'reading the room' in a talk/variety show in korean. you can always see shuhua sttutering and thinking a lot (like uh oh and not fluently talking) and she just ended up blurting what ever comes to her mind, that's why she ended up using banmal (informal languge) a lot bcs shes more used to speaking it
The thing is that she has been living in South Korea for around 7 years now. I don’t think pulling the foreigner card is a good excuse
@@bboombayah4662 i mean leaving and learning a languge for 6 years (she cane in 2017) doesnt automaticaly make you the best at talking/thinking and navigating a variety show, im not a once but i know tzuyu came to a radio program, she has been in korea for so long but the dj still has to ask the question a few times, explain context bcs she is a foreigner, let her think longer in answering questions, even for btob peniel (in korea for 13 years) variety is still hard for him bcs he is american and his jokes are very sarcastic and a lot of the time it would get editted out or the cast/crew would find it weird, he also said he is not the best at reading the room and have no filter. bcs of that he became very self concious, quiet on camera, and have way less screen time than other btob members
so yeah i dont think its that simple
Shuhua did nothing wrong! it seems like haters want to cancel her cuz she finally gained some confidence
Not non Korean defending her when they don't even know that what she did was wrong in korea
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c in korea its rude to decline requests and say "what do u want me to do" when talkin about lipsticks?
@@waitwhat1884 no. Her declining the request is absolutely okay and the video is wrong about that. The reason why she was criticized a lot because of that interview is because she spoke very informally. In korean, there are different level of speach formalities, and the most commonly use is formal speech. In this interview, shuhua used informal which is only used with people who you are really close to or younger people. Since she used it in a professional setting, it is very rude and frown upon in korea. Even the interviewer talked about that lack of formality (in a jokingly way maybe to not make things awkward while still telling her that she was being too informal). In korean culture, it's not okay to speak so informally in a professional setting.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c How much hate did you have to shuhua you for replying to every godamn comment?
Educate yourself before blabbering. It's about the manner of speech and words used. Of course hating on her is bad, but she's an adult who spent years in Korea. She should know better. Her groupmates should teach her more.
For the informal speech after Jaejae's question, i seriously think she was taken aback by the question and totally forgot to use honorifics which she apologized for by the way. And she can decline a request if she wants to
Yeah but she was informal the whole interview, not just after the question
The fact that half the people who are saying it is rude aren’t even Korean…
This is why 99% of the foreign idols don’t have the “boss baby” or “savage” image. Knetizens just hate foreign idols for the smallest reasons possible. I honestly wish Shuhua could tone down her blunt personality a little bit on camera, for the sake of her own career and safety. Because we all know how extremist the Korean antis can get.
These knetz hate foreign idols for being themselves and not abiding by their so called “standards”.
This video is wrong. She isn't criticize in korea because she declined something. Her declining the request is absolutely okay and the video is wrong about that. The reason why she was criticized a lot because of that interview is because she spoke very informally. This is whe ghe host called shuhua out for her informality. In korean, there are different level of speach formalities, and the most commonly use is formal speech. In this interview, shuhua used informal which is only used with people who you are really close to or younger people. So if you are neither of those cases but uses informal speech, it's like implying that you are better than the other person and juste rude. Since she used it in a professional setting with someone who talked to her in formal speech, it is very rude and frown upon in korea. Even the interviewer talked about that lack of formality (in a jokingly way maybe to not make things awkward while still telling her that she was being too informal). In korean culture, it's not okay to speak so informally in a professional setting.
I hate how non Korean fans are defending her saying that it's not a big deal when they don't even know how korean culture works and how what she did is rude in korea.
I don't care about shuhua's fans but it is really going out of hand....is she trying to act cool or what ...this is so rude when another one is speaking so politely...well fame can't teach you manners...😢
Y’all say “K-pop idols should defend themself and they shouldn’t care for hate” but hate on Shuhua for defending herself
Kpop stans being hypocritical as always nothing new
"Idols shouldn't fake their personality, and stand up for themselves!"
*Idol doesn't fake personality and stands up for themselves*
"🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬"
It's not about her defending herself but the way she said it. She spoke informally which is very frown upon in korea.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c the younger generation is trying to change that outdated culture btw!
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c then they will get used to it. Its 2023
I'm from Europe so I don't really understand scandals about being informal cause of cultural difference. I wish they would be more honest and themselves as it is in Europe or US and it's sad to see that they can't
Exactly my friend. I'm European too and I think that honorifics are ridiculous. Asian countries are EXCESSIVELY reserved and conservative, that can't be good in any way!!!
@@orianamandi Nope, we are just traditional and respect elders
@@orianamandi I'm an Asian living in Europe and people here use honorifics for people that are older or unfamiliar to us - „Siezen“ in German. Americans also use Sir and Ma'am to address people higher than them. So your argument isn't valid. Being polite isn't limited to "EXCESSIVELY reserved and conservative" Asians but to rich and progressive countries as well. As a foreigner, it's your duty to adapt to their culture like Shuhua is to Koreans. Otherwise, why live there in a foreign country in the first place?
Most countries also have a rule or two for being polite btw.
Stop trying to put your western culture in korea. If your not happy about it, don't say anything. You don't get to talk about another country's culture.
@YeonLover Still you show respect. The commentator above is generalizing Europeans and Americans as not showing honorifics. This is WRONG. We show honorifics here in Germany.
ok i think i understand it now so its not that she did anything wrong it's just that she was speaking informally and declined request which in Korea i think is a big deal when someone doesn't follow Honorifics so yeah it is more a cultural thing people overseas shouldn't and most likely wont think she is being rude. She is straightforward and honest something that isn't wrong unless people twist it around and make it a bad thing which is happening in this case.
The problem with Shuhua is not that she refuses to do certain things, in that interview he refused to do something, I don't see that as a bad thing, what I do see as bad is that from the beginning she speak informally to a person, in this case JaeJae that she's not close to, besides, JaeJae told her what happened to being polite referring to the way of speaking informally even the other Gidle members told Shuhua I don't know why you are speaking so informally. This event happened at the beginning of the video so she could change and speak formally using honorifics and this reaction would have been avoided. That's the only problem I see. She can refuse to do something if she doesn't feel comfortable, that's fine but, from the beginning they tell you that you have to be polite referring to speaking formally with honorifics and even so without being close to the presenter you go and don't give a fuck is really disrespectful.
People don't understand that it's not what she said that matters, but HOW she said it. It was like she was trying to shut herself off and show that she wasn't interested, even though they were the ones who came here, it wasn't some random person on the street. Also her nationality should never be an excuse, we know a lot of China idols that their nationality doesn't stop them from respecting other people
She used to be my bias but now her straightforwardness is actually rudeness, there's a fine line between the two, but it's there. No one is talking about perfect, but just a little more respect?
THIS
I think it’s fine as long as the host isn’t offended, they seemed fine with it. If it was really a problem they could’ve just recorded another one. But other than that, I do think she should be a bit more respectful if she didn’t know the host but I’m assuming she does cus she said “Was Shuhua always like this?”.
@@pix1943 Hmmm I don't think they're very close, maybe it's just that the show is more free and they were told they could take it easy. It's just that if you look at the other contestants, they are clearly uncomfortable with the way Shuhua is acting. I've seen their other interviews and honestly this is the first time the others are silent or laughing nervously while one speaks
@@LuvSailor it's like this is the only 5 second video of her being rude to anyone. it's not that anyone is trying to make her look rude on purpose or specifically emphasize it, it's that her words and behavior make me feel uncomfortable. i think this is enough for her to stop being my bias? it's not even about the picture, there is nothing wrong with her. it's just her responses and behavior because i believe she can be gentler
The person she was talking with doesn't even bother yet these people make big deal of something that wasn't even a problem to begin with. Can't we just let idols do what they want?
They attack Shuhua becouse she dont take bullshit easy like others. This Knetizens need to go outside and touch the grass.
I trust her judgment ngl, there’s a reason for the things she does.
they find this rude bcs fans r used to kpop idols doing everything they r told to do that's why when sm1 declines smth bcs they r not comfortable of doing they call it "rude and disrespectful"
Whether intentional or not, Shuhua's behavior would come across abrasive no matter who it was (and she seems aware that she has built herself a reputation of rude behavior)...BUT Jaejae asking "what happened to being polite"... the same person a year or so ago who literally filmed herself putting up a collage of SNSD album posters while intentionally stacking each one on top of wherever Jessica's face was? The end result looked like Jessica was headless or never existed. What happened to being polite, Jaejae?
wait jaejae did WHAT?????? I thought she was nice.... wtf
Never liked her from the start. I hope this scandal will ruin her career LOL
nah you are jinxing it fr her career won't be ruined lol... hopefully that doesn't happen tho like I get it...she crossed the line a bit but hopefully she'll learn from all this in the future and improve herself🌙⭐
this is what I mean when I say boygroup stans are the worst
u hating is so funny and whenever I see one of ur comments I know damn well ur gonna get called out and roasted by some person doing a angels work in the replies 😹 shuhua will always be more pretty, rich, talented, and more successful then you’ll ever be
HOW DARE AN IDOL SET BOUNDARIES.
i don't think people understand, although i dont think we need to bash at her for this necessarily but i do want to make it clear that using honorifics is really, LIKE REALLY, important in most asian countries. especially to elders, and knowing south koreas strict rules about honorifics it's only natural they get mad at her for not using them despite being in the industry for years. she messed up but it's not end of the world, but it's not okay.
Proves korean has backward mentality. "Respect elders" only if you respect you. Koreans hate foreign idols no matter what or how they speak.
Korean idols need to be able to decline requests when they r uncomfortable. They r not a toy. They are human with personalities and human rights
It can be cultural, though. I emphathize with her, as i grew up with two cultures, born in the usa to korean immigrants. It always felt like I was unintentionally doing the wrong thing and misunderstanding others. What's okay in a situation in one land wont be the same in another. Sometimes people (me) can come off rude and I only found out later, bc I didnt mean it that way at all. I'm also someone who often makes mistakes. It's better to approach people who make mistakes with grace and teach them rather than with judgement.
She's fluent in korean. The first thing you are taught when you learn Korean is to use formal speeches. She knows that rule.
@@user-eu3pf5hc2c you are in every comment hating on her. You are expecting idols to be cute robots.
@@scarletwarlock9325 no i don't hate her, i hate how people who are uneducated about korean culture talk in the comments and defend her without knowing the different speech level of korean. People love to defend their fave without even understanding what she did and what she did was bad. I am just trying to educate and explain the situation to the people in the comments.
No one wants idols to be robot, at least I don't, i just want them to be respectful.
All idols act chaotic and animated in different ways when they attend Korean shows shuha just have her own way
Oh the irony
It’s like Knetz are fucking angels
Isn't this the same show when Hoshi was asked to do something he decided not to do it? Not to mention the host said herself that the program doesn't like to push people if they're uncomfortable.
The whole point of this show is that it’s free. You can say you don’t want to do parts of the show. She (Jaejae) has said it before.
I think she trying hard of being honest and fun person...😅
Plz you are always hating kpop idols other than wonyoung I have seen u do that alot of time
@@bathroomcleanerat.heelift this is not hate..Just truth no hate
like you are trying hard to be savage
@@bathroomcleanerat.heelift frr as a wonyoung bias this person takes it so far and drags others to uplift wonyoung
@@greenthinggg ikr it's so annoying
She has the right to make decisions for her self,she's a grown woman let her do what she wants it's her life her choice.Shuhua dont listen to them bc they just want to put pressure on u,do what u want❤❤❤
Ok… so she posted a picture with messy lipstick because she’s an adult woman and can do that, and declined a request because she’s an adult woman and can do that. What’s up with infantilizing idols and expecting them to just be doormats?
She’s gone under fire for this type of behavior sooo many times before lmao. I won’t be shocked if stuff comes out about her in the future. It’s so obvious now and it’s kind of funny how she doesn’t try to hide it now. She used to be my bias too.
Many people might not understand her actions of being a big deal (especially for the Western fans). However, as I was born and raised in Japan, it really is just more about her attitude and entitlement that rubs people the wrong way, not necessarily the actual things she says. It’s all about the subtext. Especially that last clip of her. Like yikes. Her tone of voice, her expression, her not even looking at the MC, and holding out her hand in a defensive way, with an attitude of, “Just do what you have to do so we can get this over with”.
I feel like she is trying too hard to be a savage which is going in the direction of rude and disrespectful
i think she has the right to decline or say things but yeah the way she says things can come off as really rude. i like that she’s straightforward though but like you said it doesn’t always work in her favor and it could possibly come back to haunt her. i don’t stan or listen to much of idle but i always liked her
@@STARRY127 agree
When did being rude became straight forward and sassy and cool? She can decline rather than acting like that... the mc isnt even mean that guy is just doing his job and always smiled at her rude remarks. She can decline whatever she isnt comfortable with rather than embarrassing the mc by acting like that
@@kduzzfanatic2628 Just a thing, the mc is a female
And what's wrong with her saying she doesn't want to do something? I respect her a lot for declining and not feel forced to do it
Even in Eunchae's diary. She's trying to exert alpha mentality over the young girl in a humurous but awkward way. I started wondering, hmm. something's a bit off.. Then this other segment popped up.. it's true that it's good to be yourself, but you can't avoid people cricizing you especially if what you show them is unacceptable or frowned upon in their culture. Management should teach the girls humility and reality check them every once in a while before their head get too big. How they are percieved in some instances is bad influence to some especially kpop is full of kids and child-minded adults. They may copy this attitude and be full of themselves.
Shuha is rude I'm happy people could her out on this she deserved it just because somebody was always straight forward doesn't mean they can't change there is also Minnie and yuqi that are foreigners are they rude she is super cocky and so great she ain't like that
Before yall come for me I'm a never land I love them but it doesn't mean I will a lways baby them because they ain't babies and say they are right in every thing they do it's my opinion you have your opinion I don't care don't y'all dare be rude to me and we can't say they are always right cause they ain't pls be respectful I'm saying thin again it's my opinion
I think fame has gone to her head
No she is nice
She is not rude, She doesn't have to do what she doesn't want to.
What is your brain in the right your acting like the MC was asking her to ki** her self
Perhaps she is not a rude person but lacks tact so comes across as being rude. So instead of saying, no I don't want to answer your question, say something instead like, sorry I'm not comfortable answering that question.
@@LuvSailor then why has yuqi or Minnie or Lisa or momo or alot of foreigners K-pop idols haven't gotten the rude scandal
Well.. I know this is not an easy concept to understand for the people in this comment section, but it can actually be considered as rude in Korea. Don't get me wrong, I am native Korean and I have an official membership of Neverland but I've always thought Shuhua was standing on the edge. As a person who cares her so much, I always thought someone should teach her. I want her to stay natural as herself is but at the same time I knew she will be in some trouble for that someday. And I'm pretty sure many Korean Neverlands thought the same and I even saw someone saying the same thing 2 years ago. I'm not saying she's rude. She's not rude. She just doesn't know. You can speak in '반말' (informal way of speech) to someone but there is an unspoken rule in this society. Shuhua just doesn't know the rule. You can think this is silly but this is a really sensitive and serious matter (not to me but to all Koreans). Remember what happened to Yewon from Jewerly ten years ago.
I think she knows... For example a serious leader like Soyeon must have warned Shuhua before (this is what I think)
@@willowpillow7917 I mean, she knows there's a rule but clearly she doesn't know the details. Originally, you learn the rule through tiral and error, by hangning around with many Korean friends but sadly she might not have enough experiences because she's an introvert. So I think someone should've taught her more seriuosly. Someone from her company should've monitored it and told her already.
@@hoorash You know that she knows, c'mon since how many years she's in korea?
@@hoorash she could even learn it through soojin...
@@willowpillow7917 Um.. I genuinely think she doesn't know. She's still very very very bad at spaking in Korean. She only hangs out with Taiwanese, Chinese friends in private such as Tzuyu, Handong. She is living with a Taiwanese friend. I doubt she had real interactions with Koreans other than her Korean members and staffs, who are generally in favor of Shuhua's side. It doesn't matter how long she's been living in here when she's stuck in comfort zone. You can say I'm overly protecting her, but to me, my guess is more natural than 'Shuhua is being rude on purpose'.
she isnt rude she just knows how to keep boundaries
She´s not obligated to please anyone. If people asked you to do something you're not comfortable with, and you knew it was going to be on air for everyone to see, would you do it? if you say yes, you're lying to yourself
Guys polite culture is Human BASE in Korea, even if you hate a person with all your soul, you won't change the level of politness.
THEY ARE NO ONE TO EACH OTHER. Why should he use polite speech, while she uses panmal (informal)? In Korean this means the person is LOWER THAN YOU in society, he is LESS respected.
It's OK if you are friends and both use panmal, but it's obviously not this case
It’s okay for her to say she doesn’t want to do a segment of a interview unlike other idols who are to scared to speak up…
First They Targeted Soojin And Now They Are Afraid Of Shuhua ?
I think the world would be a better place if everyone was more straightforward like Shuhua.
Shuhua is THE BOSS BABY 💗😎
I'm Proud of her,she just casually sayd No and didn't even hesitated💗
Where is the problem by saying she don‘t want to act like other actresses? It‘s actually pretty rude that all MCs asked her why she posted a ugly pic and why she didn’t deleted it. She is just being herself and there is nothing rude about it. And we all know that Shuhua is probably not even interested in such rumors...she knows herself and Neverland know her too.
I feel like it's not about the request but the way she spoke informally, since from what i've learnt one thing that is really important in korea is speaking formally, that's why i feel like they found her disrespectful but aside from that her declining a request wasn't something to make a huge deal about because it's normal. ( now i'm not korean nor have ever been to korea but i've been a kpop fan for a long time and this is what i think is one of the most important things in korea, now if i'm wrong correct me )
there's no denying how rude shuhua is throughout the whole episode
I don't know why people defend her. Not because they didn't find it rude that doesn't mean it isn't, come on cultural differences which Shuhua knows about. Being rude is not a personality trait.
@@nayoungisahamster Y'all wanna find any reason to jump on a hate bandwagon. This is how Shuhua is. She's always informal, even in Taiwan she acts this way on variety shows there. You and Barbara need to get over it.
You kpop fans don’t own those idols.Please stop expecting them to behave or act according to your standard. They are human too, they are bound to make mistakes right here and there
@@nayoungisahamstershuhua is a bit too straight forward at times so that's why she comes across as being rude or impolite from what I've observed...I don't think she did it intentionally tho... hopefully she'll learn from all this in the future
There is denying
I think Shuhua has the right to do so. If she didn't want to do what the host requested, she doesn't have to; she's not obliged to do everything she's requested to do. I don't think she was being extremely rude when she told the host what she said, she was just saying what...I think most people would say in that situation. I don't know too much about Korean language itself, so I don't know a lot about the parts of it being informal and formal. Although, I don't think Shuhua should be required to be "nice" and "polite," and not just Shuhua, but all idols, since well...they are humans too and they aren't nice all the time.
Good job Shuhua. Be yourself.
anyone can hate me, but i agree with this, shuhua really needs to follow the culture there. Me as an asian too, felt that its a bit rude to talk informally to someone older than us. Please do differentiate being sassy/cool to being polite/respectful.
People can't bear women speaking their own opinions
yes
She wasn't being disrespectful and she has every right to reject the request to preserve her own dignity. She's not a circus monkey.
let her be her. Just because she's an idol, it doesn't mean that she has to embody everything that is perfect. She's human too, and an adult. She can do what she wants, and if she doesn't feel comfortable with something he's asking, she doesn't have to do it. I think once someone becomes an idol, people immediately think that they should all behave perfectly.
okay of course the declining requests makes perfect sense, go shuhua! but i did find the informal language pretty shocking and i can get behind offence for that
Why tone deaf idols always like that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
she has rights, she can decline one request if she feels uncomfortable. imagine it was a sus movie, you would understand completely why so I really don’t get why this is a issue.
Shuhua is the last thing K-netz need to get bunched up over. The MC had every opportunity to go over the show script and segments before springing that on Shuhua. What was she supposed to do? She politely stated that she didn't like that kind of request.
Gotta love The Shuhua ❤
I swear I love gidle but like most neverlands I can’t stand her but adore the other members
nope....you are not a neverland if you dont love all the members...nevies adore shuhua..she is our baby
dont call yourself a neverland then.
Most? 💀
@@giselle1929 how would u know? I Stan most groups tbh so stfu
@YeonLover Welp idk about knetz but I don’t like her bc I think her skills r severely lacking, including visuals and she’s so loud and annoying trying to steal the other members spotlight at all times
She's just setting BOUNDRIES and she said it politely. Grow up
Mc cool with shuhua declining the request.
No one:
absolutely no one:
Not even god:
Sensitive Knetz who got nothing better to do and need to touch some grass: I took that personally.
💀💀
She was using informal language in a formal setting to her senior. I've never seen an idol do this in front of cameras, especially in Korea where politeness is important.
I don't think rejecting something is rude or mannerless, she just said 'i don't like these kind of things' like what else could she say other than that? There is no politer to say that sentence.
By the way Shu Hua as a Taiwanese,
in the eyes of a Malaysian audience myself towards Taiwanese variety shows,
Shu Hua is actually is considered in quite okay manner but could be wild sometimes in controllable manner.
She speaks brilliantly and in Taiwanese context (and also me as a Malaysian) Shu Hua knows what she is doing and she controls what she wants and do what she likes and politely to refuse requests that she thinks it's uncomfortable for her and she is also considered as a person with distinctive personality ;)
I actually quite like her personality after they started to release 'Tomboy' and I started to see their true colours in their music work.
That's the attitude gal =D
Before 'Tomboy' I only know (G)-IDLE kinda quite a hit among K-pop community but the works they putting out there didn't even spark a tiny interest/curiosity in me towards their off-stage stuffs LOL
I used to think Shu Hua is a timid girl LOL
But now I see her as common Taiwanese artist with a clear cut attitude.
Once ago a famous Malaysian RUclipsr / celebrity, Namewee,
gave a clear cut statement through one of his famous music work,
'Ghost Island',
which clearly describe how Taiwan is one of the world's weirdest most freedom and most daring place on the unlimited boundary of speech freedom!
While the China member, if you watch the recent Uncle Roger get cancelled by CCP gag short video, you will understand she grew in such constricted country with communism political ideology environment...
Luckily the comment section pass the vibe check ❤😊😂
People when they realise that Idols are also humans with real emotions and can't always put up the positive,ranbow pooped unicorn energy all the time and have their bad days: 😲😲😲😲😲
Bro i thought she’d say smth absolutely horrible on live tv💀
She's cool. She knows what she want and has the confidence to say it.
Come on, it’s not rude. It’s Shuhua proving she’s the Boss Baby.
Like really, watch the full version; she’s completely toying around with the host. Even the others said, “oh, she wants to do what SHE wants”
SHUHUA FOREVER. people don't understand her and her style of comedy. People are too soft for Shuhua.
Because standing your ground makes you rude ? because she is in this industry she has to obey everything and comply whenever shes asked to do something, why ? y'all only respect reall obedient girls ? rude for you but strong for us
I think telling people you don't like something is not rude. Rude is hating on someone for being real.
Haters really have no Brain… she can have FEELINGS and EMOTIONS… she is actually HUMAN, did you know that??
aint no attitude shes just real
Shuhua has right to refuse any request. For god sake Leave the girl alone. Korea media,ppl, society, the country it’s psycho🙂🤡. No idol no actors can be human they want a robot that do what ever the korean wants. Love shuhua❤
"Make your face like a movie"
Lol wth kind of segment is this
I swear some people just find everything rude
She has the right to decline something!? Also she has always been honest and straight forward, we have known her for 4 years. Get a grip and leave her alone.
Tbh even if she was actually rude I would not gaf, we all have bad days.
Well I'm not surprised I've heard that a lot of people don't like her and think her being a girlboss is just her being rude and blunt.
She's allowed to refuse things she doesn't want to do she's not a puppet.
@@jisoo_1424 Yeah but that doesn’t excuse her speaking informally even the other members were confused because she was the only one. K-Netz even think it was disrespectful and it’s their language.
@@nnn9854 remember, Shuhua isn't fluent in Korean since she's from Taiwan so there is a chance that she got her words mixed up and it came out informal
I think the guy is more rude when he says “이런 사람이에요?” meaning “Is she this kind of person?”
we loved you shua shua you show what is real dont need listen to others what they're need to see, gosh be who you are nothing's wrong in that
I’m not Korean or anything so I don’t know what’s really considered “rude” there, but it seems to me like the guy talking to gidle was kind of rude.
It's a lady💀
@@jypkibeti lmaoo 😭
@@jypkibeti 💀💀💀
@@jypkibeti LITERALLY IN SHOCK
@@jypkibeti oop 😳
This is why I love this girl, she is straightforward, if u ask me idols SHOULD be more like her💅
Being rude is your standard now?😂
shuhua is not a rude person, she just a ✨honest✨ person.
And then they wonder why idols end up unaliving themselves... so to appear with "manners", the idols must never speak up and keep everything to themselves and appear okay at all times. They have to do whatever is asked of them as it is "manners" to be forced to do stuff they are uncomfortable with. Fake smiles and laughs everywhere. From what I know, this is how Shuhua is and she shouldn't have to change to fit a certain standard mold. Idols need to be more of themselves, than the fake standard perfect idol. 🤷♀
We don't really know if the host got offended by her, why should we judge?