Unbelievable the way Jones and the 4-wheel-drive turbine ran away from the field early on, yet the foolish director kept focusing on the stragglers. One great factoid was that Jones broke the Indy lap speed record by 5 mph on his 4th lap, with nearly a full load of fuel (kerosene).
A.J. Foyt, Only driver to win the Indianapolis 500 (four times), the Daytona 500, the 24 Hours of Daytona, the 24 Hours of Le Mans and the 12 Hours of Sebring
Andy Granatelli didn't die that long ago, he passed at the end of 2013 at the age of 90. His only win came in 1969 with Mario at the wheel. It was not in one of Andy's cars, Mario wrecked it in practice. His mechanic Clint Brawner had a car there and that's the one that Mario drove. Andy used to be known as Mr. 500, and if anyone deserved a win he did. He was as innovative as any car owner, and suffered so much bad luck it's a wonder he kept at it.
It looks like it was all shot on film, and the tire noises was added after the fact, along with the "prescient" commentary. Thus, Dan Gurney's "foresight". In the 1970's, when ABC ran the 500 on delay the night of the race, it is known that most of the commentary was recorded after the fact. (film has a different look than videotape, especially with 1960's tech.)
Andretti was one of the most outspoken critics of car 40 and Granatelli zinged him for it in his autobio, which was published at the end of 1968. So ironic that he drove a backup car to his only Indy 500 win for Granatelli just a few months later.
At least Graham Hill didn't have an issue with the turbine. Gurney certainly called it, "..in theory I don't they will have any engine trouble, but they could have some gearbox problems."
In the pre-race interviews, A.J. Foyt claimed Parnelli Jones' turbine car would have gearbox trouble. The turbine car dropped out with only there laps to go from........gearbox trouble!
moulou4u always bugged me when they did the Daytona 500 like that. Go to commercials break at lap 20 and come back on lao 75. Of course I can still remember when Indy was shown on tape delay.
Yep. I would stay up late to watch it and my parents never understood why. Of course, the reason they did it was because they were afraid that if it was shown live that the attendance would drop. However, it changed in 1986 when they began showing it live. Ironically, that first year it was rained out and they didn't start the race until the following Saturday.
Two words: Edited. Videotape. Also, I think this ESPN Classic rebroadcast left out some twenty or so minutes of footage (perhaps some interviews and features).
What a madhouse! Conditions couldn't have been better, and those knuckleheads couldn't drive down a dry track without spinning out. Crazy! As to the fuel spill in the pits, it looked like Andy G. gave Jones the flying finger of GO before receiving the signal that fueling was completed. If we have one aspect of IndyCar to appreciate now it's that the commentary has greatly evolved, too.
This is an edited version of a "Wide World Of Sports" program that aired about a week after the race took place. I would think that there were some highlights of time trials and a little bit of the actual race that were edited-out Given that portable color video cameras were just being invented, I suspect that footage shot in the pits for this telecast was shot on film, while the footage from fixed cameras was on tape and done as if it was a live telecast.
Jackie Stewart, who was in a filmed interview at the 36 minute point of this clip, would spend most of the 1970's and much of the 1980's calling auto races with Jim McKay for ABC. McKay and Stewart were probably the best auto-racing broadcasting tandem ever. I only wish they were broadcasting NASCAR and/or Indycar races today.
Leave it to the British to say "Bloody clever!" to a technological revolution like the one Granatelli brought, and which American racing, in its unerring high-minded drive to improve the cars people can drive at home, immediately banned. Had this technology actually been pushed, cars on the road might not contribute to the energy crisis we have today. Brilliant work, USAC.
"Full Race" You mean full broadcast - but not full race. 500 mile races last at least 3 hours and this video is 48min. So clearly its been edited (besides taking out the commercials). sorry - NOT the full race.
Having seen race-fixing in Formula One it's difficult to believe the 1967 Indy 500 wasn't fixed for Parnelli Jones to lose. Dan Gurney had an offer top design the car but turned it down, as did Carroll Shelby, who reportedly called the car, "hogwash." I find it interesting that Gurney could "predict" "gearbox problems" for a car that, "had no need for a conventional gearbox. Instead it received a torque converter which allowed the power plant to take off and stay in one long continuous gear. Another peculiar quality was the fact that the engine idled at 54% of full throttle. To get going, the driver simply released the brake pedal. A movable panel fitted to the rear of the car acted as an air brake (from "Hushed Whispers - 1967-1968 STP-Paxton Turbocar"). The ONLY way the gearbox could be taxed was if it was forced into use through an inordinate number of yellow flags. This meant more cars than usual had to crash for what every team knew was easily the best car on the track to lose. On a totally dry 2nd day there were 12 crashes, all of which were utterly inexplicable for the so-called best drivers in the world. With each crash Jones was forced to engage the gearbox in a manual fashion, rather than simply release the brake pedal to quickly get up to speed. In addition to the 12 crashes, three cars ran slow enough to negatively influence traffic - and the Turbocar - and were flagged before Jones' Turbocar slowed to a stop on Lap 196. Though Parnelli Jones tried his hand at the reworked 1967 Turbocar, he felt it was wasn't up the performance of Colin Chapman's Lotus Turbocars, the "Flying Wedge." The 1967 loss left Jones so distraught he retired.
Imagine what would have happened if Parnelli Jones' STP Turbine Special had won the 1967 race. Could it have changed the history of Indianapolis-type racing cars??
It's an interesting question. As I recall, Granatelli was thinking about bringing it back for the following year when USAC (?) adjusted the rules on turbines... reducing the max compressor dimension significantly. So, it seems that the Indy folks were determined not to have a turbine revolution take over good ole' reciprocating/piston engines. Like many advances, I believe that even if Jones had won in '67 the turbines would have been legislated or restricted out of existence anyway.
@@ShmuelWeintraub Yes, USAC (the United States Auto Club) still sanctioned the Indianapolis "500" and other races involving Indianapolis-type cars at the time.
The field was under the yellow so Parnelli in the turbine must have selected a lower gear which was the start of a problem. Perhaps when he started to come back up to speed and shift into high gear all that torque was too much for the already tired gearbox. Just speculation on my part. You sure have to give A.J. credit for calling the race and hanging low on the last lap for the win.
The following year, a yellow also sealed the fate of the two STP turbines still running. When leader Joe Leonard and Art Pollard attempted to accelerate after their cars heated up under the yellow, the drive shafts snapped on both cars.
+starman1968ful I believe his point was that an unusual powerplant never used before succumbed to a small and inexpensive part failure; hence a potential success story falling just short. Identical to the turbine's fate of 1967.
The Cummins croaked due to the oil cooler getting stuffed with debris. A sage mechanic had warned them it was in a bad location, but they didn't pay any attention. The smudge pot diesel smoked like a house on fire down the straights, it wasn't hard to keep track of. Cummins raced a few times, never as competitively as that one time, so they would advertise how they had run the entire race on $1.35 worth of heating oil. Which in that day and age was probably half a tank truck. LOL
n30a With a proper programming of the EFI anything can have good mileage. Chris Harris (well-known test driver for magazines and the DRIVE RUclips channel) owns a Mercedes AMG model that can have the fuel efficiency of a much much slower car if you want
The officials kept changing the allowable turbine intake size, which pretty much eliminated the turbine as a possibility. If you can't suck the right amount of air, the turbine isn't going to cut it.
n30a Actually, the turbine was by far the quietest car ever to run at Indianapolis, and it frankly sounded like either a high-powered vacuum cleaner or air conditioner.
Chrysler had a couple of prototype turbine cars in the early 60's that would tour the country visiting various dealerships. I had the chance to see (and hear) one drive past my grade school in Milwaukee, which was near a Dodge dealership. I thought at that time I was seeing the future of the automobile but obviously I was wrong.
I was at this race on Sunday (the rained out day) with my dad but he couldn't stay for the next day but I remember the turbine car passing and all it sounded like was "whoosh" and it was (for that time) fast!
+Henry Hooker How could you have been at the race on Sunday? Prior to 1974, Indy had a "never on Sunday" policy with the actual race. Through 1971 (when Memorial day began permanently being observed on the last Monday in May), the Indy 500 was run on whatever day of the week May 30 (which before '71 was the observed holiday) fell on (unless it was Sunday, with the 500 then run on Monday when that happened). In 1972, the race was on the Saturday before Memorial Day and the tragedy-marred 1973 edition was the last one scheduled for the observed holiday and the last one that actually was raced on the actual May 30 holiday (excluding when May 30 fell on a Sunday as it has six times since, most recently 2010). This 500 started on a Tuesday and finished on a Wednesday.
Can I assume that Al Miller started 33rd because Lorenzo Bandini had in fact qualified for the race before he was killed at Monaco, and that due to his death, the substitute driver Miller had to start at the back of the field??
+altfactor According to the Wikipedia for Bandini, that Monaco GP was held on May 7, before qualifying for Indy ever took place. Bandini was in fact killed and his entry for the Indy 500 was withdrawn.
It wasn't much different than the way movie theaters showed auto racing footage, during that era. Probably the only media that consciously avoided the "high-speed circus" attitude toward the sport was Sid Collins' world famous radio network, at that point reaching its fifteenth year of operations. Even as late as 1982, Jim McKay was trying to explain to television audiences that "these are not daredevils", end quote. Of course, given the kinds of crashes that NASCAR encourages via their "rules" at Daytona and Talladega, it should be little surprise that so many find it so hard to take seriously.
According to Andy Granatelli's autobio, it was a $6 bearing in the gear case. They'd had gear issues with the car for weeks prior to the race, but thought they'd worked them all out.
Bummer some goon there changed up the better CBA agony of defeat Olympic Ski Jumper Ramp Crash and replaced it with the more softer goofy slalom Powder puff soft wax out.
Unbelievable the way Jones and the 4-wheel-drive turbine ran away from the field early on, yet the foolish director kept focusing on the stragglers.
One great factoid was that Jones broke the Indy lap speed record by 5 mph on his 4th lap, with nearly a full load of fuel (kerosene).
Two days before the release of the Sgt. Peppers album.
A.J. Foyt, Only driver to win the Indianapolis 500 (four times), the Daytona 500, the 24 Hours of Daytona, the 24 Hours of Le Mans and the 12 Hours of Sebring
Obviously never will he seen again.
Thanks for posting this. Good race.
Oh so of the era where tires screech on grass, just like early James Bond movies with tires on gravel and sand.
Great video! Thank you!!
Me and the boys are heading to Indy in a few days for the 100th running of the Indianapolis 500.
Man, what memories. I was just a young boy but I clearly remember this particular race and the Parnelli Jones turbine! And we were going to the MOON!
My 1st race, 9 years old baby. 66 now
Me too bro, 66!
Andy Granatelli didn't die that long ago, he passed at the end of 2013 at the age of 90. His only win came in 1969 with Mario at the wheel. It was not in one of Andy's cars, Mario wrecked it in practice. His mechanic Clint Brawner had a car there and that's the one that Mario drove. Andy used to be known as Mr. 500, and if anyone deserved a win he did. He was as innovative as any car owner, and suffered so much bad luck it's a wonder he kept at it.
505197 he won as a co-owner in 1973 too
1967. My favourite Indianapolis 500 of all time apart from many others.
It looks like it was all shot on film, and the tire noises was added after the fact, along with the "prescient" commentary. Thus, Dan Gurney's "foresight". In the 1970's, when ABC ran the 500 on delay the night of the race, it is known that most of the commentary was recorded after the fact. (film has a different look than videotape, especially with 1960's tech.)
I was thinking sound was added later, too, but how did they include interviews? 23:50
When Jones passed the entire field on the 1st lap, He said that Mario flipped him the Bird going down the back stretch
Andretti was one of the most outspoken critics of car 40 and Granatelli zinged him for it in his autobio, which was published at the end of 1968. So ironic that he drove a backup car to his only Indy 500 win for Granatelli just a few months later.
I think this was the first year this was ran live in Australia . My folks got me up at 2am so I could watch it. I did go to school the next day.
At least Graham Hill didn't have an issue with the turbine.
Gurney certainly called it, "..in theory I don't they will have any engine trouble, but they could have some gearbox problems."
This sound dubbing is silly, how can you have tyres screathing on grass, come on,at 30.00
In the pre-race interviews, A.J. Foyt claimed Parnelli Jones' turbine car would have gearbox trouble.
The turbine car dropped out with only there laps to go from........gearbox trouble!
Wow! All these legends! Thanks for posting! :-)
Full race in 48 minutes? WOW!
500miles in 48 min? Cars used to be faster back then ;)
moulou4u always bugged me when they did the Daytona 500 like that. Go to commercials break at lap 20 and come back on lao 75. Of course I can still remember when Indy was shown on tape delay.
Yep. I would stay up late to watch it and my parents never understood why. Of course, the reason they did it was because they were afraid that if it was shown live that the attendance would drop. However, it changed in 1986 when they began showing it live. Ironically, that first year it was rained out and they didn't start the race until the following Saturday.
Two words:
Edited. Videotape.
Also, I think this ESPN Classic rebroadcast left out some twenty or so minutes of footage (perhaps some interviews and features).
Tires screeching on grass. Racing coverage of the 60s folks.
What a madhouse! Conditions couldn't have been better, and those knuckleheads couldn't drive down a dry track without spinning out. Crazy! As to the fuel spill in the pits, it looked like Andy G. gave Jones the flying finger of GO before receiving the signal that fueling was completed. If we have one aspect of IndyCar to appreciate now it's that the commentary has greatly evolved, too.
This is an edited version of a "Wide World Of Sports" program that aired about a week after the race took place.
I would think that there were some highlights of time trials and a little bit of the actual race that were edited-out
Given that portable color video cameras were just being invented, I suspect that footage shot in the pits for this telecast was shot on film, while the footage from fixed cameras was on tape and done as if it was a live telecast.
Jackie Stewart, who was in a filmed interview at the 36 minute point of this clip, would spend most of the 1970's and much of the 1980's calling auto races with Jim McKay for ABC.
McKay and Stewart were probably the best auto-racing broadcasting tandem ever. I only wish they were broadcasting NASCAR and/or Indycar races today.
Jackie Stewart was also a leader in safety. It took a while but between F1 and Indy Stewart kept at it and eventually auto racing became quite safe.
Wonderful stuff!
Now that's how you stop a pace car, as opposed to using the press grandstand as a backstop.
Leave it to the British to say "Bloody clever!" to a technological revolution like the one Granatelli brought, and which American racing, in its unerring high-minded drive to improve the cars people can drive at home, immediately banned. Had this technology actually been pushed, cars on the road might not contribute to the energy crisis we have today.
Brilliant work, USAC.
Excellent. Thank you for the video...
"Full Race" You mean full broadcast - but not full race. 500 mile races last at least 3 hours and this video is 48min. So clearly its been edited (besides taking out the commercials). sorry - NOT the full race.
I was only 3 at the time. Would have been cool to see that turbine car race. But so glad the Big Texan won!!!!
P. Jones said that Mario gave him the finger when he passed everyone on the back stretch.
😂😂
Having seen race-fixing in Formula One it's difficult to believe the 1967 Indy 500 wasn't fixed for Parnelli Jones to lose. Dan Gurney had an offer top design the car but turned it down, as did Carroll Shelby, who reportedly called the car, "hogwash."
I find it interesting that Gurney could "predict" "gearbox problems" for a car that, "had no need for a conventional gearbox. Instead it received a torque converter which allowed the power plant to take off and stay in one long continuous gear. Another peculiar quality was the fact that the engine idled at 54% of full throttle. To get going, the driver simply released the brake pedal. A movable panel fitted to the rear of the car acted as an air brake (from "Hushed Whispers - 1967-1968 STP-Paxton Turbocar").
The ONLY way the gearbox could be taxed was if it was forced into use through an inordinate number of yellow flags. This meant more cars than usual had to crash for what every team knew was easily the best car on the track to lose.
On a totally dry 2nd day there were 12 crashes, all of which were utterly inexplicable for the so-called best drivers in the world. With each crash Jones was forced to engage the gearbox in a manual fashion, rather than simply release the brake pedal to quickly get up to speed. In addition to the 12 crashes, three cars ran slow enough to negatively influence traffic - and the Turbocar - and were flagged before Jones' Turbocar slowed to a stop on Lap 196.
Though Parnelli Jones tried his hand at the reworked 1967 Turbocar, he felt it was wasn't up the performance of Colin Chapman's Lotus Turbocars, the "Flying Wedge." The 1967 loss left Jones so distraught he retired.
Imagine what would have happened if Parnelli Jones' STP Turbine Special had won the 1967 race.
Could it have changed the history of Indianapolis-type racing cars??
It's an interesting question. As I recall, Granatelli was thinking about bringing it back for the following year when USAC (?) adjusted the rules on turbines... reducing the max compressor dimension significantly. So, it seems that the Indy folks were determined not to have a turbine revolution take over good ole' reciprocating/piston engines.
Like many advances, I believe that even if Jones had won in '67 the turbines would have been legislated or restricted out of existence anyway.
@@ShmuelWeintraub Yes, USAC (the United States Auto Club) still sanctioned the Indianapolis "500" and other races involving Indianapolis-type cars at the time.
Only man to win Indy and Lemans in same year? SuperTEX!!! -U10
thanks for posting great video , i think it was a $4 bearing that failed on the turbine
What a tragedy. Incredible engineering, thwarted by low part quality.
Then thwarted permanently by anal-retentive USAC.
Lots of people with the (cough, cough) flu in the stands.
Love it screeeccchh on grassss...
Most dangerous pit entry in racing. Threading a needle at 150MPH
The turbine had to be the oddest sounding car. Just a big WOOSH! as it came by.
Jones was paid $75,000 to Drive the Turbine an insurmountable amount of Money back then,
The field was under the yellow so Parnelli in the turbine must have selected a lower gear which was the start of a problem. Perhaps when he started to come back up to speed and shift into high gear all that torque was too much for the already tired gearbox. Just speculation on my part. You sure have to give A.J. credit for calling the race and hanging low on the last lap for the win.
Youtubinshare It was a ball bearing that failed.
Yes it was.
The following year, a yellow also sealed the fate of the two STP turbines still running. When leader Joe Leonard and Art Pollard attempted to accelerate after their cars heated up under the yellow, the drive shafts snapped on both cars.
The turbine car didnt have a gearbox.
screeching tyres on grass.. who'd have thought it?? ;)
good stuff . i heard rumors similar witha CUMMINS diesel power , dominated and crapped out for a simple link pin or cotter pin in throttle
What does a comment about a Cummins diesel powered car from a decade earlier have to do with the 1967 race?
i guess yer too ignorant to understand , but thanx for the comment right ?? later
Your comment makes no sense. English not your best language?
+starman1968ful I believe his point was that an unusual powerplant never used before succumbed to a small and inexpensive part failure; hence a potential success story falling just short. Identical to the turbine's fate of 1967.
The Cummins croaked due to the oil cooler getting stuffed with debris. A sage mechanic had warned them it was in a bad location, but they didn't pay any attention. The smudge pot diesel smoked like a house on fire down the straights, it wasn't hard to keep track of. Cummins raced a few times, never as competitively as that one time, so they would advertise how they had run the entire race on $1.35 worth of heating oil. Which in that day and age was probably half a tank truck. LOL
"Full Race" on a 48-minute video? OK.
50th anniversary!
Time trail were the best then not like now.
who knows what would have happened if the turbine car held together and won the race. Would we all be driving Turbines today?
Nah, turbines are too loud and too difficult to maintain. I dont know about the mileage but think it will be pretty bad.
n30a With a proper programming of the EFI anything can have good mileage. Chris Harris (well-known test driver for magazines and the DRIVE RUclips channel) owns a Mercedes AMG model that can have the fuel efficiency of a much much slower car if you want
The officials kept changing the allowable turbine intake size, which pretty much eliminated the turbine as a possibility. If you can't suck the right amount of air, the turbine isn't going to cut it.
n30a Actually, the turbine was by far the quietest car ever to run at Indianapolis, and it frankly sounded like either a high-powered vacuum cleaner or air conditioner.
Chrysler had a couple of prototype turbine cars in the early 60's that would tour the country visiting various dealerships. I had the chance to see (and hear) one drive past my grade school in Milwaukee, which was near a Dodge dealership. I thought at that time I was seeing the future of the automobile but obviously I was wrong.
The aliens are probably just getting this broadcast and thinking "these people are crazy".
Zoomer30 aliens are demons.
I was at this race on Sunday (the rained out day) with my dad but he couldn't stay for the next day but I remember the turbine car passing and all it sounded like was "whoosh" and it was (for that time) fast!
Maybe that's why the Indianapolis 500 turbine racecar was called the "Whooshmobile"!
+Henry Hooker How could you have been at the race on Sunday? Prior to 1974, Indy had a "never on Sunday" policy with the actual race.
Through 1971 (when Memorial day began permanently being observed on the last Monday in May), the Indy 500 was run on whatever day of the week May 30 (which before '71 was the observed holiday) fell on (unless it was Sunday, with the 500 then run on Monday when that happened). In 1972, the race was on the Saturday before Memorial Day and the tragedy-marred 1973 edition was the last one scheduled for the observed holiday and the last one that actually was raced on the actual May 30 holiday (excluding when May 30 fell on a Sunday as it has six times since, most recently 2010).
This 500 started on a Tuesday and finished on a Wednesday.
+Walt Gekko I may have been wrong on the day but I was there and I still (somewhere in my junk) have the ticket stub.
Can I assume that Al Miller started 33rd because Lorenzo Bandini had in fact qualified for the race before he was killed at Monaco, and that due to his death, the substitute driver Miller had to start at the back of the field??
+altfactor According to the Wikipedia for Bandini, that Monaco GP was held on May 7, before qualifying for Indy ever took place. Bandini was in fact killed and his entry for the Indy 500 was withdrawn.
Rain after 20 laps. Second day rest was ran.
Those canned "screeching tires" dubs are insanely pathetic.
ABC really sucked. They didn't spend a dime to cover these races.
Yeah, even when Pollard was spinning in the grass.
chaparra66 that's what I call the "Dukes of Hazzard" effect. Screeching tires even on dirt or grass hehe.
It wasn't much different than the way movie theaters showed auto racing footage, during that era. Probably the only media that consciously avoided the "high-speed circus" attitude toward the sport was Sid Collins' world famous radio network, at that point reaching its fifteenth year of operations. Even as late as 1982, Jim McKay was trying to explain to television audiences that "these are not daredevils", end quote. Of course, given the kinds of crashes that NASCAR encourages via their "rules" at Daytona and Talladega, it should be little surprise that so many find it so hard to take seriously.
7:10
From what I understand, it was a $9 part that gave way, costing Jones the victory.
According to Andy Granatelli's autobio, it was a $6 bearing in the gear case. They'd had gear issues with the car for weeks prior to the race, but thought they'd worked them all out.
37:00 when Jackie Stewart had normal voice and no mannerisms.
Bad Carma Andy for robbing your neighbor of the cluster gear in his transmission on city street of $hitcago.
A car with a turban engine? 👳?
I'd use a turbine myself.
A Cherokee with one would be a turban injun.
Bummer some goon there changed up the better CBA agony of defeat Olympic Ski Jumper Ramp Crash and replaced it with the more softer goofy slalom Powder puff soft wax out.
Too early. 70’s WWOS for that.
Never great for employment if you run over the boss or douse him in kerosene.
You mean to tell us the entire 1967 Indy 500 lasted only 48 minutes ? It says " Full Race"