Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee | Sitting Bull meets Colonel Miles
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2020
- Movie: Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (2007)
Nelson Miles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_...
Sitting Bull: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting...
Song playing during endscreen: Nat Keefe with The Bow Ties - "Dude, where's my horse" 
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Happy Thanksgiving everybody
Why did you reupload this? Was there a problem?
yeah, technical issue
@@CassiusDX OK.
Dagos
Damn that’s cold haba
How dare you steal what i've rightfully stolen from the guy who cowardly stole it previously? - human history in a sentence
Underrated comment!
TRUUUUTH
Could even be considered Earth history. Animals do it too. Even or especially to there own.
I wouldn’t consider conquest stealing
@@fisherman695 when did we take those lands? As far as I know (except for Vietnam which is in the hands of the north Vietnamese), all the lands you mentioned are not, and never were taken from their people.
“Where did you get this land?
From my father.
Where did he get it?
From his father.
Where did he get it?
He fought for it.
I’ll fight you for it.” -Scandinavian proverb.
Not an endorsement of any particular ideology, just an observation about human nature.
I mean, so long as you don't lie to yourself and treat the ordeal like a big ass duel, it's really about as simple and efficient as you can make a conquest. 1 big fight, man to man, winner takes all.
Is that really a proverb? It’s good.
Two wrongs don't make a right - English proverb
@@arcsaber1127 No they do not, but we're here now. Learn from it or repeat it.
Naw. Some greedy prospectors will get it. Your dumb ass will get alcoholism, PTSD, and a cheap army pension.
One thing that makes this scene even better is that the Colonel even says “you conquered those tribes, lusting for their game, and their lands and we have conquered you for no less noble a cause” he knows he’s doing exactly what they did and is willing to admit it unlike some who pretended they were on some mission of righteousness
I don't understand how a non-psychopath can admit that and still go on. Baffling humans
Some people WERE on a righteous mission. Not every single person was a soldier, a king, a farmer, or a missionary. Everyone had their reasons.
@@SalvableRuinare you saying missionaries weren’t on a righteous mission?
You need to go to school and study history.There's a big difference between breaking a treaty and actually conquering or winning a war.
@@TheChadPadsure thing. Imposing your beliefs and culture on other people's isn't righteous.
But then again, if you think that your ways are the correct ones, then you likely think that imposing your beliefs on others is the righteous thing to do.
I'm surprised to see such historical accuracy. All the land that the Sioux claimed had been theirs was actually "stolen" from the Crow and others just a hundred years or so earlier. It's rare to see that acknowledged.
THAT'S a land acknowledgement I'd like to see!
Comanches raided Mexico and the Southwest for 400 years and killed more Native Americans than the White man. Think about it you Socialists! Indians were winning up until the 1870-1887 and then we put them on reservations. Comanches killed everyone except young boys and sex women slaves. They were PIRATES of the prairies , never farmed, never made camps , just raided from place to place.
I always found it Ironic that 1776 was not only when the USA declared independence and fought a war with Britan but was also the year the Lakota conquered the Black Hills from the Cheyenne confederation which also was the Year my Ojibwe ancestors were mopping up after conquering the Lakota lands in Minnesota.
Here is an example of your logic: Some Jews in Nazi Germany betrayed other Jews, which resulted in their being exterminated in concentration camps. What happen to the Jews is OK because not all Jews were honorable."
What happened to the Sioux is not "OK" because of what the Sioux did a hundred years earlier.
Still doesn’t change the fact that America is a nation founded by illegal immigrants
As a member of the Cherokee tribe (native American ID and everything), I can confirm: tribes have attacked and massacred other tribes for no more than lands and gain. Some whites did do horrible things to innocent natives. And some natives did horrible things to peaceable and innocent whites.
It is better to forgive each other, KEEP peace that is made and unify than bring up old hatreds.
And as a member of the Cherokee, I don't need apologies or gifts or special privileges. Pity and charity is an insult to men in my tribe. It's given to orphans and widows, not anyone else.
Fair enough.
I'm not going to downplay the accomplishments of my ancestors, but I agree. I've traveled Europe quite a bit and I am of mainly English, Scottish, and German descent. If you've never been to Eurpope, I can tell you, castles are a dime a dozen. On our last trip to Scotland I really started focusing on the history of each one vs the architecture and function. Bascilly it came down to one dude taking shit from another dude and building something to protect it or show it off. It was a little disheartening, but still, great accomplishments and I respect the ones that tried to be fair. It's hard to debate that great societies have risen from these "dudes" fighting.
Innocent whites?😂😂😂😂
I have friends who are Mescalero, White Mountain and Jicarilla Apache and they echo your words.
As a person of White descent from Brazil, I can say: I agree with you - we fought and killed eachother for far too long, and now, its too tiresome to carry on with the grudge...
The widows and orphans indeed deserve land of their own. We, man, can work for ourselves to achieve it.
I believe you know the bitter taste of ash when you "win" - yeah, I finally got it...
..but at what cost? Why? For who?
It seems we are haunted by the ghosts of our ancestors, who thought little of their descendents, and demanded blood for the sake of their pride, and in the process, it broke ALL of us...
"the proposition that you were a peaceable people before the appearance of the white man is the most fanciful legend of all"
bro nailed it
Yeah but we've known that for a long, long time. Even Miles knew it. When people NOW say things like "reeee the American Indians weren't peaceful", it causes others to roll their eyes.
Its not the land taking thats messed up. Its the genocide. How many natives do you know? This land used to be full of them.
@@kingstarscream3807 It causes people who don't want to know history to roll their eyes. If you went to most public schools and were taught for 13 years that America was a peaceful, loving continent for 10,000 years before any Europeans showed up, then you will definitely roll your eyes.
The Indian cheif literally argued like a woman. Void of all reason. Just blames. Takes no responsibility. Gets violent when they got not argument.
@@erc9468 no everyone knows this. It's more propaganda from alt right people. Same as suggesting slavery wasn't an important factor during the Civil War. The bastardization of history from people who demand to see themselves as heroes when they performed the actions of villains.
"There's nothing to explain. You're trying to kidnap what I've rightfully stolen."
OK Westley.
Inconceivable!
you keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means..
Favorite movie and book
Both these actors are MAGNIFICENT
Really???? It's screams "TV movie" acting to me.
@THEJAM-EATERS exactly way better acting than what we get nowadays
@@curlyfries8388 The actor for Miles could still improve in yelling, but he does very well when showing emotions.
"Who sold us the guns?"
"Who bought and used them?"
"You don't like the guns we gave you? Ok, well you can hand them back in then. Along with all the horses too. Have a nice day."
Apparently, Whitey believes in a fair fight.
This is relatable, even to slavery.
"Who sold the slaves, African tribesmen!"
"Who bought the slaves, European traders!"
@@thecleaner8442
Whitey? What racism. It’s not about a fair fight, it’s about how all races have a history of conquest, even the Natives.
@@BruceWayne-fj9bm No. It is about a fair fight. You sensitive dumbass.
4 laws of nature:
1. If you wanted it, you took it.
2. If you couldn't take it, you didn't have it.
3. If you had something, you defended it.
4. If you couldn't defend it, you lost it.
Yep.
One thing you miss: those of us who give, out of the abundance of our heart and wallet. Few of those who are like that but God sees all.
@@edharley7254,
The original commenter uses a secular model, not a Biblical one.
Most of not all civilizations and armies have taken anything over the course of history by the 'right of conquest'.
Well said.
I'm an Apache, and no other tribe caused as much terror among white settlers as mine did. My ancestors raided Spanish, Mexican and American settlers, and were known to sadistically torture prisoners including women and children. They also preyed on neighboring tribes till we were in turn defeated by the Comanche, and wound up having to make peace with the Spaniards or risk being wiped out completely. In short my people were far from peaceable, and I dislike it when white people with no knowledge of my people's history portray us as helpless victims. My people were akin to Vikings, tough and merciless raiders who lived by the proverbial sword, and died by it, too.
You helping us or siding with China when we play cowboys and Chinese?
@@MichaelWilliams-fl4hx You should look up the history of the native americans fighting with the us especially the world wars. They have done a lot for america.
@@zacharymartin9151 I probably know more history then you do.
Real talk.. Much respect..
@@MichaelWilliams-fl4hxhumm..? That's a wild, yet somehow, appropriate question..!!😂
When a man says "coalesce out of the ether" you know the conversation is on some deep level shit.
It's actually rather surprising how well-read and eloquent Americans were in the 1800s. And they had a way with words which is lost today.
Interestingly enough, up to the American civil war, the literacy rate of America was extremely high. About 9/10 soldiers on both sides, the Union and Confederacy, were literate. And as we see from their surviving letters during the war - of which there's many - they were quite well versed in writing. Even a letter to back to their family sounds fancy. Now after the war... literacy just fell off a cliff. It dropped down to 20% in some areas, IIRC. And it didn't really recover until the 1920s or so.
Actually what you are demonstrating is you know FA about how educated people (like military officers) spoke in the 19th Century. There have been a significant decline in the vocabulary of the average American since the 1960's.
@@matchesburn I've never heard this before. So American literacy went up in the early 1800's, but fell off later, before coming back up in the 1900's? Did literacy become much more important in the early 1800's then, due to increased accessibility of books and such, but then it became so widespread without seeming to bring much in return that it just became less important for a while, being seeing more as a fad than a vital skill? Does it have something to do with the South not having as much money after the Civil War?
@@iconian1387
It was very much a cultural thing left over from the age of enlightenment and the founding of America. Reading/writing was considered essential in order to be successful and not applying to learn to do so was viewed as uncouth and backwards. You didn't want to be *_that guy_* that couldn't read and write. And, at the time, the best way to court women was to write them letters... so... that was a big motivator for men of the time.
As for why it fell off after the American civil war, it's not like people came to dislike literacy... It's that the nation was in shambles. Not for years. Decades. Entire swathes of the generation were cut up... sometimes literally... and just dead. Economically the country was devastated. Socially/culturally, there was just as much if not more turmoil. Significant portions of an entire generation were left in the cemeteries. Some states, especially in the south, were literally burned down almost to every single major town or city. The infrastructure was gone.
At the time, there were more pressing concerns and little availability to teach literacy. And it did take the better part of a generation or two for the country to rebuild and find its footing. People have no idea *_just how devastating_* the American civil war was and how much it set the country back. We lost basically 50 years of progress in stagnation.
@@matchesburn You're right, I've never heard that the Civil War was that devastating. Do you know of any books or videos about it? I knew the South was devastated, but I guess the North was as well.
I suppose that World Wars I and II probably weren't quite as bad for America, but I have heard that World War I in particular was devastating to Europe
I'm truly amazed and proud of most of the comments here. As a child my grandfather, who was Navajo, would tell me stories of our ancestors and the wars they had fought. He never tried to tell me that the white man was wrong or anything of the sort. He simply told us the truth of human nature. We're all flawed and all cultures, Navajo included have less than reputable history. We all come from cultures that have dark marks in our history. One is not worse or better than the other.
That is the true noble view of history and the present should be used to unite for the best future possible.
Many tribes have different stories and your grandfather is one of them. Like before every native american have a different stories. Before Europeans. Humans already had different beliefs and culture. Native american aren't one tribe. There's many of them. Just like Europe, Asia, Africa, and the middle east.
Europeans like the Anglo-Saxon was the turning point to the native americans. Like the many broken peace treaty around 500 and the genocide of the school boarding happened. Til around the 90s they could finally speak their own languages. Not a good look.
@@erenjaeger1738 you seem to have no point. Using the term genocide is purely performative and inaccurate.
@@lassmt your sub iq and liberal got you think genocide only applies to Europe. NO. When I said genocide happened. It happened. Like really ? Not even the spanish were up front making act saying "kill the indians, save the man"
@@erenjaeger1738the Canadian government just spent 8 million dollars digging and using sound imaging to look for the supposed mass graves at Indian schools and found NOTHING. In the meantime 33 Catholic Churches were burned to the ground by stoked up corporate media worshipping sheep like you. As long as the little brains keep falling for the Divide and Conquer agenda we will forever be at the mercy of ancient banking families who own our media and governments. They are the TRUE enemies of the human race.
*150 years later*
"THIS IS NATIVE LAND, GRINGO!" ...said the descendant of Spanish conquistadors
Relatable and factual.
You get this all the time if you're a White dude in South Texas. Too relatable.
@@blehblehk5955 The irony is that their great-grandmothers bred with Spanish men.
Those from spanish decent or at about 30% at most. Just as today, what you call Mexican is mostly Native American
@@quaoar213simply not true the native blood lines are almost gone as sad as it is
"As we have conquered you for no less a noble cause"
The fact he can say it and still point out the hypocrisy and similarity between them makes me respect him.
No hypocrisy in that statement at all.
He knew what their primary mission there was. He wasn't self-delusional like most then. You generally don't reach the rank of Colonel back then by being an idealist, or deluding yourself
Read up on Nelson Miles and his military career and you won't respect him as much
Atleast once a month I inject “DO NOY SPEAK TO ME OF RED CLOUD” into a conversation and leave everyone very bewildered.
Dead funny, made me laugh out loud in my office. I'm going to try it out on my squaw, sorry, wife.
So do I bro, so do i😂
I, too, am known to indulge in random recitations of movie and TV show quotes at inappropriate times. Gotta let some of the crazy out every now and then. 😅
He was a CONSUL of ROME !!!
@@andrewg.carvill4596 poor Pompey!
4 minutes of dialogue that is more educational and interesting than any of the modern movies being pushed out by Hollywood today.
K Boomer
@@kbanghartboomers are smart
I have not met many younger people (
@@nappa4317not to mention many of the native American tribes practiced cannibalism
@@shiniquajones2812 hmmm is that so.....
An actual accurate portrayal of history. No romanticizing of either side. Just the truth that human groups behave the same.
Except for the fact that tribe doesn't fight and k*ll tribe anymore. They have real medicine for their sick, rather than a wrinkly old man with an animal scrotum filled with magic sand. And let's not forget all the US government's hand outs to sustain
Yep. There is not moral high ground. Not one country, culture, ethnic group etc. is currently occupying their original homeland. We all took it from someone else with blood
The scene literally shows that humans don't behave the same. The Indians were pure emotion, void of all reason, couldn't back up their claims, and got violent because of words. Typical of lesser civilizations. No wonder they lost.
Too many lies become accepted as fact and public schools are to blame. Sad that some people still believe that smallpox blankets were used as a biological weapon more than a century before Louis Pasteur would develop germ theory.
@@smokingcrab2290thank u... beautiful statement man. Research the solutreans the real natives the first Americans the European tribes that were geonicided by the so called natives. (Due to inferior numbers)
That's a man who studied his enemy and came prepared.
Yeah, he came prepared with 2024 White Man Fear rhetoric.
If only Custer would have been so prepared 😬
@@Musica78237this was filmed in 2007 where the mindset was much different, 17 years ago. Stop trying to fight the uncomfortable truth and grow up
I like how Nelson has the Native American culture ingrained in him. He knows the history, their rivals, and even speaks like them. Great character.
Col. Nelson was a real person btw
@@RildarThe Miles in the clip is character based on the real person, but how much of the character reflects reality?
@@AngemonOfLight Idk and idc, it's a movie
@@Rildar It's a historical movie, so a degree of accuracy is expected.
@@wtfduud Ok. Don't know why you're replying when I said "idk and idc."
Colonel Miles spitting facts like bullets from a light machine gun.
More like a heavy machine gun...
@@haroldsmith8454 More like a gatling gun
@@thejohhny2943 BRRRRRRT from the GAU on an A10.
Self-serving bullshit
Don’t be crying like a little baby 😢when the minority in the USA become the majority it’s just a matter of a another decade and building a southern wall isn’t going to save you 😉
*_"for no less noble a cause"_*
perfectly used words
@Prkau telek by growing up
@Prkau telek the "no less noble" is the important part there, but go on hating one race for what all humanity has partaken in.
@Prkau telek Both practices employed by first nation peoples.
@Prkau telek en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_slave_ownership
Read it and weep or remain ignorant, don't really care.
@Prkau telek Native Americans did slavery too. Nice deflecting historical facts .
I'm so how related to Gen. Miles, according to my aunt (maiden name Miles). Haven't been as yet to find out the exact relation. He died at a circus in 1925, while saluting the flag as the National Anthem was being played. What a way to go for a warrior.
Now THAT is LEGENDARY!❤❤
_"This is _*_your_*_ story of my people!"_
_"This is the _*_truth,_*_ not _*_legends!"_*
He's got a point. The Crow tribe hated Sitting Bull and his tribe - Lakota Sioux - for continuously raiding them and aggression towards them. They were actually devastated by the news of the fate of 7th Cavalry. When the Lakota Sioux gave up, the Crow were relieved that they could sleep soundly at night.
When Louis and Clark were on their trip to the west, they ran upon some indians that wouldn't come talk to them until they raised their shirt sleaves to show they were white. They were scared of another tribe.
@@robbyddurham1624 is that true?
@@josephohara2457 I read it in Undaunted Courage by Steven Ambrose. The book covered the complete Lewis and Clark trip. He researched it from notes of Lewis and Clark and maybe letters by the crew. I really enjoyed the book. He mentions a lot of contacts with native americans. The NorthWest indians were really nice to them. The Nez Priece. One story was about indians so hungry that they met in the plains, I think. When a deer had been killed by the crew, the indians were so hungry they picked up the intestines thatwere thrown aside and squeezed out the waste and ate them right away. They couldn't wait for food to be prepared.
Wherever you go on this world, people are people. For better or for worse.
My Sioux cousins HATE the Crow. Apparently there are stories all about Crow raids and atrocities that have been carried down to this day. It isn't surprising to learn that Americans and Europeans had very similar dynamics between their various societies, but from my understanding any given American was probably safer amongst their own tribe than average European was with say their neighbor generally.
As a Navajo and part Zuni, I really recommend to save this video as a historical lesson, there was no good sides in war. Humans are addicted to glory, winning and also greed, no matter how righteous you think you are. Atleast the end of the day, we get humbled and flourished with others, despite what my ancestors or their ancestors did. If only people get let go of the past hate that doesn't belong to them. I'm sure the world will become a better place. Don't forget History, just Learn.
Sadly the Old White Guard mindset has not perished and is the defacto problem for the modern world, if your young its worse, racial diversity is one thing, but going beyond it overnight is impossible, you take it in steps,
This dialogue isn’t history. This is fantasy and colonial propaganda
@@sonjurattler Always has been, White League is bleaching everything now a days,
History plainly shows the European settlers' greed far eclipsed that of the Indian, despite it also existing
@@saskk2290 That is also true, the many tribes of the plains were never united from the start, let alone the fact that they were also at war or in open hostility with the south American Empires,
This is the first ever true account of the history of the USA I have even seen acted in a cinematic way. Excellent!
And that my friends, is the story of history in a nutshell, whether we like it or not.
Exactly. Everyone has been conquered at one point or another and everyone has been the conquerer. There is no human lineage with clean hands.
I really appreciate the historical accuracy of the natives being armed with lever action repeaters, while the cav are all using outdated trap door Spencer’s. This was one of the most interesting aspect of the Indian wars, where the natives were armed much better than the Cavalry army units sent to push them into reservations. Quality movie
You mean "Springfield Trapdoor". I agree, this was a great movie, I first saw it 2010.
This! The "funny" part with battles like the Little Big Horn was that the US Cavalry was completely outgunned.
Those are Trapdoor Springfields, Spencer's were tube loading repeaters.
Really repeaters were more trouble than they were worth. There's a reason the mainstay of the US arm was simple bolt actions for a century and kept using tried and true springfields during the indian wars.
It did happen with a few as some had gold to bribe dealers and ex military people sold them the latest kits near the end of the indian wars
This is a terribly inconvenient truth to the historical revisionists. I'm surprised this scene didn't end up on the cutting floor.
Because this was made before the world especially the West had a collective stroke...
@@topfactlord5448......and became Woke.😊
Nah, in History, we teach this ALL THE TIME.
The problem is the anti-intellectuals...
@@typetersen8809 It's the anti-woke whom infantilize the Natives as peaceful and spiritual. So many Lost Causers love to harp on about the mistreatment of the Indians by the Union.
Got swept under the rug instead
Back when you were allowed to tell the truth to someone claiming to be a "victim".
Funny how one punch and you'd be crying like the little pussy bitch you are
don't be a snowflake yourself bro
@@idcaf I was finna say
But I bet you feel victim of those evil, good for nothing migrants, right?
buddy, if a foreign army showed up and took your home and you had to go live in a camp, you bet you'd be crying about it. Civilian death tolls: pearl harbor 2k dead > nagaskaki & hiroshima 150k dead. 9/11 2.9k dead > iraq and afhganistan 0.5 million dead. America the expert in playing victim.
An uncomfortable historical truth: every single bit of land that belongs to anyone anywhere, once belonged to someone else.
Mine belongs to my county. I pay taxes and they let me live on it.
It's rare to see an Indian get so utterly verbally wrecked in media. Not surprising that this is from 2007, this dialogue would never get approved today.
And a Canadian adaptation of a lackluster heavily biased book.
Very surprising that it was made at any point after 1970.
Only a moron compares tribal warfare to a straight up genocide.Nine Years war (Ireland) 130,000 deaths
Thirty Year War (Germany) 8,000,000 deaths
English Civil War 84,000 dead from war 127,000 civilian deaths.
Franco Spanish War 108,000 deaths
Franco Dutch war 342,000 deaths.
Napoleonic Wars 6,500,000 deaths
but you wanna scream "Oogah boogay you killed each other!" Like that has a fucking thing to do with why you disease ridden pox carriers did what you did. You did it for gold. Stop lying. You're not benevolent colonizers. It's one thing to do it it's another thing to lie and i know the "Victor writes the history" But it;s my choice to not believe your lies because that's all Wyatt E does is lie. Your ashekenazi handlers taught you well.
Only a moron thinks he got "Wrecked" that's you talking out of your pink head. You don't decide what is and what isn't. You're some random cracker on the internet who would be scared to say this irl.
Indians are from India. Read a map, you remedial dropout
Colonel Nelson Miles, Medal of Honor recipient for his gallantry during the American Civil War, and future Commanding General of the United States Army. He led the U.S. Army to victory in the Spanish-American War. When he died in 1925 he was one of the last living general officers from the Civil War. You can find his grave in Arlington National Cemetery as he was one of America's greatest ever soldiers.
Absolutely, started as a volunteer and and was a major general by 26, including becoming the commandant over the prison where Jefferson Davis was held. What a stud.
I'm actually afraid that some lefties will vandalise his resting place
@@martinjugolin2087Wrong. Iconoclasm is definitely a tactic some bleeding hearts use, but Miles was never a slaver and he was a bigger SYMPATHIZER of Natives when compared to most other Army Officers.
@@Wasserkaktus No the fuck he wasn't. Did you see what he did to Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce? If you can't tell real Native history shut your dick licker. General Lee had more respect for Natives than any Yankee general.
@@Wasserkaktus So you stil think there's a diufference between the left and right huh? There's not. they're both bought and paid for by Zionists. Trump and Biden both have mostly hand rubbers as their advisors IE their HANDLERS
“This is your story of my people!”
“This is THE story of ALL people.”
I clapped when he said you were killing eachother for hundreds of moons and taking eachothers lands.
Colonel Miles: "Let me explain..."
Chief Sitting Bull: "There's nothing to explain. You're trying to seize what I have rightfully stolen!"
2022
Zionist Occupied Government: "let me explain..."
Whites: "there's nothing to explain. You're trying to seize what I have rightfully stolen!"
@@jaybartgis5148 One was earned by blood sweat and tears. The other one was "Thanks for saving me from the last guys we stole shit from, now give us everything we demand or you're anti semitic".
There is a pretty wide difference between having lost a fight, and regretting giving a beggar the chance to backstab us after we fought and bled for them.
We respect warriors more than snakes. Hence why commies are so disgusting to the man of reason as well.
@@bluelick7578 doesn't mean anything. A lose is a lose and a win is a win. They won. We lost
except the white people didnt steal it.
lol the princess bride line. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is one of my favorite scenes ever put to film. Colonel Miles cuts through all the bull crap both sides tell each other and themselves and describes the situation as it is, not as we'd like it to be. The line "for no less noble a cause" says it all. He knows he's not on some righteous crusade and has enough respect for his opponent not to pretend otherwise.
He's an Army Officer and he has his Orders. The U.S. actually had a large amount of Indian sympathizers who opposed the brutal slaughter/takeover of Indian lands, and had various beliefs in how much more stake the Indians deserved in their lands as Americans colonized it.
clearly they weernt vocal enough.@@Wasserkaktus
@@bladerj How could they be? When you have a country that loved/loves manifest destiny as much as America did and does, how could their voices ever be loud enough?
Many whites believed in manifest destiny, in fact it was literally a government proclamation
@@cccspwn And the fact that they still do is a problem. Manifest Destiny should never have existed.
This conversation is basically: "Go back to Europe".... "K, will do, if you go back to Asia".😂
The actor playing Col. Miles actually looks like someone from that time.
I believe that's Shaun Johnston
We all kind of look like from that time because we're their descendants whose face has been passed on by our fathers for millennia. The only difference is our facial hair.
Good costume design.
Cause he’s a Canadian Anglo Celtic with some Dutch admixture.
Loved him in Heartland
I like how the writer is trying not to be biased with writing the dialogue and provides relatively good arguments to both men
edit: I retract this statement after re-watching it
what argument did sitting bull even make
His God is better I don't know something retarded
@@romegypt5675 "These are our lands and you can't force us from them" was his argument, even if it wasn't his land to begin with.
More so the Americans really as we're dominated by a culture who automatically takes the side of the indians.
@@UncleSarge At the end of day the Native Americans got conquered. It wasn't pretty and wasn't ethical but it was how history went for a millennia. They (The Indians) conquered the people before them. The Americans were just the best at it.
Silent pauses in conversations can be really powerful when making a point
I watched this clip yesterday (October 21st) without realizing it was the 147th anniversary of the actual meeting between Miles and Siiting Bull.
This scene with this dialog could never be filmed today. The best scene in an otherwise below average film.
Damn I was going to watch it because this was so good. 😢figures. 😂
Its truth!
@@rollotomasislawyer3405 It’s a good movie that’s worth watching.
Legit, everyone says the American government was in full wrong, they were in some places but the natives were hypocritical as fuck
@@GeneralHarvey in what ways were they hypocritical?
“You didn’t sprout from the plains like the spring grasses”
Got em
Nor did they coalesce out of the Aether.
It's true enough. They descended from Adam & Eve like everyone.
We also didn't come from Asia, Regurgitate your Christ cuck Zionist nonsense elsewhere
@@gcHK47
They came out of the Minnesota woodlands, armed to the teeth and set upon their fellow man.
True, but the Treaty of 1868 giving the Black Hills to the Lakota Sioux, was broken by white prospectors and entrepreneurs who flooded into Sioux Territory and the Black Hills in 1875 and 1876 when gold was discovered there in 1874 by Custer and his Black Hills Expedition. If gold wasn't discovered in Deadwood gulch, there never would have been a Battle of The Little Bighorn, or the subsequent battles that saw the end of the free roaming Sioux and Northern Cheyenne.
Having the European continent in your background at the end of this vid is a BASED touch.
I'm related to Nelson A Miles.. my maternal grandmother was his niece. There's a couple of good biographies. He was also considered as a candidate for President at sometime in the mid 19-teens. Died in 1927, at a fair with some of his grandchildren.
I think the lesson here is very simple. And it pertains to both these men.
Condemning the bloodshed in one’s history does not erase that in your own.
Finally. Someone here who's talking sense.
Its simpler than that: the winners write the history books.
Here’s a really hard truth: land belongs to those who have the strength, will, and wisdom to defend it. History has winners and losers…
@@cgavin1Not true.
If this was the case, The Lost Cause would have never existed.
@@acidz0037 What Wass said.
I don't think I have found a more perfect dialog. Honor and pride on one side, and the other historically correct and with facts on it's side, but both tainted by the greed and violence of man.
Tbch both are idiots.
There was never fact behind the US side when it came to natives. They painted every narrative they wanted to find reasons to commit genocide. To this day we still get pushed around and y’all dipshits want to say it’s because we were savages. The real savages are the people that pushed us out of our homes, relocated us and used our lands for slavery. We got painted as the bad guys because we were brown and had land they wanted. That’s the fact. Not some bullshit about us constantly fighting each other, that was because white guy pisses off a native tribe and promises land back to another if they help defend the white guy. Then they don’t do it and rinse and repeat until they’re all too weak or just dead.
That’s what white history won’t tell you.
White washed evil genocidal version of a story yeah
@@mikeynorcross3222 Native americans also genocide other tribes.
@@Rameon No we already know. We learned it in class or we figure it out. 🤷♀️
I still love America though.
Whole scene reminds me of an important truth:
"You only own that which you are strong enough to keep."
"The strong will do what they can and the weak will suffer what they must." - Melian dialog.
"Justice is the advantage of the stronger." - Thrasymachus
The Athenians were ruthless in that account. Honestly chilling to read.
Thucydides
No legends, no myths, no narratives...
Only TRUTH
SJWs and Liberals will say: "Well OUR TRUTH says...."🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Not really . Farce.
lol the whole western movie industry is just amusement park carp. “No legends” 😂😂😂😂 go play with your broom stick horse
🐮💩
no. this is pure myth. 660 treaties, 500 broken, is not conquest and not the same as the "sioux" migrating into south dakota to evade white people diseases in the 1500s
There has never been a peaceful group of people on this planet.
Jaines.
"for no less noble a cause..." The crux of the entire conversation.
What does crux mean?
"You conquered those tribes, lusting for their game and their lands, just as we have now conquered you for no less noble a cause."
If you want a sentence that sums up all of human interaction throughout history, white, black, middle eastern, native american, asian, whatever, that's it.
True words... just some of us are better at it. It's the resulting society that matters.
No you are just ignorant.
Greece with Alexander the great used native chief children to rule his conquest succeeding to assimilate these people...from Greece to Himalaya.
The military conquest was followed by an educational work including these native in order to instaure a peaceful administration.
Nothing to do with american.
Most of them were adventurers looking for money quickly.
To rob and to kill is the shortest way to get rich...then you write your own national myth of democraty and so on...
@@Invictus_999 If that were true, it would be the warlords and despots in power. The lust for territory spelled the downfall of the USSR, and it'll spell the downfall of Russia next.
@@Invictus_999 Power and strength are two very separate concepts. "God created men, Colt made them equal..."
@@Invictus_999 It though means of power, not strength, that nations like Costa Rica, which does not possess a military, or Luxembourg, which as of 2022 only has 900 soldiers, continue to exist. We don't live entirely in a world of might make right anymore. It's not worth asserting strength and invading Luxembourg to gain wealth and land anymore.
I love how this one clip completely obliterates the Myth of the Noble Savage.
Exactly. They were not peaceful peoples.
Yes. The message is whoever can kill everybody else is the winner
You sir know the zeitgeist and I'm relieved to see you as a first comment via mobile. Props from Qc.
Indeed. Humanity has been butchering each other for hundreds of thousands of years. It makes land claims a wee bit murky.
It helps to read more. They were living in peace abiding by the treaty signed by Conquering Bear in 1851 and in 1854 the US Army shot Conquering Bear in the back, killing him, starting the First Sioux War.
It's funny when sitting Bull says "and who gave us the guns and powder to kill our enemies?" It's like dude guns don't kill people, people kill people. The white man may have gave you the guns and powder but they didn't force you to pull the trigger on your native rivals to take their land and game and kill the civilians of those tribes.
BINGO
IN trade: Europeans or whites wanted fur, beaver, etc............NA wanted guns, steel and powder!
Hmm it's almost like many Europeans would give false promises to native people to help them stay alive so they can turn against each other and still lied to them
Indians were killing each other for several thousand years before they even had guns.
@@CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC707 Europeans sold guns to Native Americans in order to spread guns and hasten their obliteration. It was all part of the gradual genocide of native people.
Colonel tells chief Gobaldygook he is morally no different from him, that he is stronger and refuses to indulge chiefs empty ramblings about shades and spirits.
"You were the conquerers yesterday, this day is mine"
..easily my favorite interaction scene between leaders in any movie..
Ever see Outlaw Josie Wales
His meeting with Ten Bears
meh, the coversation between King Baldwin and Saladin in Kingdom of Heaven is leagues better in my opinion. Tho this one isn't without its merits.
@@TheBarber5550Oooh I love that scene ❤
It’s amazing how writing works. One little line of dialogue makes this scene a thousand times more powerful “for no less noble a cause”
When all pretenses are put aside, myth is laid to rest, words fail, and we see each other as we truly are.
"...you didn't sprout from the plains like the spring grasses. And you didn't coalesce out of the ether." Great exchange. Love it when an opposing side offers a solid rebuttal, poking holes in how a culture is looked on.
Finally an actually truthful depiction of what each side was actually like. Neither was without flaws. Both had admirable qualities.
I've made this point over and over. Native Americans were slaughtering, raping, enslaving other tribes before the Vikings arrived in North America.
There is nothing admirable of the American conquest of North America. It's admirable qualities today are not a result of it's continental war
Truth huh? Or is it more aligned to the truth you want.
Truth is....as portrayed. Inconvenient?@@steveatwater4364
@@steveatwater4364 I'm betting it is simply not in agreement with the story you choose to tell.
Miles didn't mention the Crows, who's land the Sioux were on at Little Big Horn, and why the Crows helped the army fight them.
@@tomasmccauley569 Actually they DID have it 'returned to them'. The land where the battle was fought is on the Crow Reservation.
@@tomasmccauley569 The Crow have always been friends to the U.S.
colonazi 'divide and conquer'
@@sandycarlak3027 Can confirm, I have driven through it many times.
the Arikaras too.
One of the most based scenes Hollywood has ever produced.
Weak people get conquered. It’s nothing personal, just business. That’s how it’s always been and how it will always be.
"Tell Mike it was only business. I always liked him." Tessio
We'll see how you behave once American workers get completely replaced by asian immigrants
Col Miles is correct. Look at the Mayans and Aztecs. Look at the Comanche in Texas. Those tribes thirsted on the blood of other tribes, and did so before the arrival of white men. There is a reason why many tribes sided with the Spanish and the Tejanos, instead of their fellow Natives.
And look what happened, forced assimilation. Paper genocide.
@@Nativestyles Penjeda.
@@brittanyhayes1043 no mames😂
Doesn't change the fact the white man's greed left no room for others
@@saskk2290 skull issue
I'm surprised this scene exists. You only hear about how innocent and victimized the Indians were, but in reality they were as vicious as anyone else.
Exactly, I could never argue that what settlers did in this time period was morally right, but to pretend it was any different from what native tribes were already doing to each other for thousands of years is ridiculous.
@@DaltonFTT
Everyone has evil inside of them. Some are just in stronger positions to bring it out into the rest of the world.
Thank God for Jesus.
This isn't true: American Indians will always tell you about what tribes were their traditional allies, and which were their enemies.
Here in Arizona for example, the Akimel O'odham (Pima) are very closely knit with the Maricopa Indians while being unfriendly to the Tohono O'odham (Papago), even though they are in fact the more like the two subdivisions of the O'odham overall, and the Navajo are big historical rivals to the Hopi, as both groups are very different from one another.
I didn't even mention all of the other American Indians native to Arizona too (like the Apache, Havasupai, Mojave, Cocopah, Quechan, etc...)
@@Wasserkaktus
What isn't true?
Knowing history and its nuances saves you the trouble of being chastised into submission. Lesson learnt
The Apache name is derived from a Spanish transliteration of ápachu, the term for “enemy” in Zuñi. To the Zuñi, the Apache were marauders.
I wish things like this were taught more in history class. Neither side were virtuous, they just fought for the future of their people. That is what most wars have been about.
Isn't fighting for the future of your people kind of virtuous? That's the ultimate lesson in human history. There are no bad guys. Only people who think they are making the world a better place.
@@IamaCosmonautexactly no war has been purely evil
German soldiers were fighting for their country and for freedom and to in their opinion save humanity, American and allied soldiers were told they were fighting for freedom and democracy, the Taliban were fighting for their people and religion against a foreign oppressive occupation and American soldiers were fighting “terrorism”
One side was more virtuous than others. Escaping britain to live a better life and one side wants to protect its title. The good natives were blessings but they weren't the ones instigating.
Losers just get the "moral high ground" of a victim as a solace.
@@punishedgloyperstormtroope8098
>le Germany good
lmao
Back when movies actually contained wisdom, knowledge and the truth.
Love this movie.
and probably inaccurate dialogue
Dude, its from 2007. It's not some begone era lost to time. Its the same age as Facebook, so would we speak to someone who first saw Facebook come out as if they are some venerable elder of forgotten wisdom?
0:37 I always thought that the blanket guy did his job with such style. He must've stayed up all night practicing how smooth he wanted his big moment to look.
Heck, as he's walking away he even does one of those moves where his arm is half extended outward and he makes a fist like, "yes! Nailed it!"
We don't see acting like this anymore in period films. Great scene. 👍
Sitting Bull getting hit with a dose of reality and not being able to handle it.
That's the most tragic part.
Surprised the woke people in Hollywood didn't demand this scene be cut.
@@sandycarlak3027 keep it alive! Don’t let them censor it! They will try to censor truth!
There a person claiming to be Native American coming around and screaming "White Supremacy is still going on" bs.
@@sandycarlak3027 I'm sure this scene wouldn't exist if the movie came out nowadays
I read the book in my teens - it changed my whole world -
do you remember whether this scene (or something similar) is in the book?
@@CassiusDX I can't recall -sorry - and I didn't watch the film because so many important books have been butchered by film - I was 14 or 15 when I read it and that was fifty years ago - I think I might search out another copy and re -read it after watching your clip - I'm surprised you haven't read it - it's one of those milestone book's - Gerry Docherty's book Hidden History is another -
@@StellaAsh what's the name of the book?
@@tylerdurden4080 bruv
@@tylerdurden4080 Bury My Knee at Wounded Heart
Shaun Johnston is an amazing actor.
So was August Schellenberg.
This video caused the entire DEI staff at Harvard to literally start shaking right now.
Oh my science! I literally can't even...
@@TerryBowles-qm3qcBy Fauci’s glasses!
I am part Taino native, and even my ancestors had wars with the Caribe tribe far before the Europeans arrived. Man will conquer man. It's human history.
Caribes were also Tainos. I live in a region where they used to live too.
Weren't they even known for ritual cannibalism in some tribes?
@Ilovecaptainjack224 Yes, they found that among some of the native Caribbean tribes, mostly the Arawak and the Tupinamba tribes.
@@samaritan_sys same with European Catholicism
@@fbyi2940 European Catholicism practiced literal ritual cannibalism?
Colonel Miles is based AF. I starve for something like this in modern media whether movies, shows or games.
You're not getting it these days lmao
if anything, what you'll get is a white man army getting massacred by the Natives in a battle that never happened between the US Army and a Native Tribe
Besed? He is so eager to justify his crimes. The feathered guy want him to have the guts to finish it without creating a whole Western movie industry to romanticize the masacres. Fkin cringe. Glad you lost the civil war.
Dude, its from 2007. The movie isn't even old enough to drink at the time of this comment.
One of the most fascinating film clips I have seen here! Terrific writing with real history , way better than most history we went over in school!
tbf just because you were given such a powerful weapon and technology doesnt mean you HAD to use it.
Its unfortunate that schools would never show this scene , destroys so many narratives . No one people was or is perfect . If everyone realized this we could heal .
what makes you think that schools aren't showing scenes like this or having discussions like this?
@@vandermixon Because the current agenda is to demonize anything to do with white history or western nationalism and make us monsters in every possible historical connotation. They'd rather push the narrative that natives were all singing kumbaya and holding hands before we savagely murdered them instead of understanding that war/conquest is almost always a grey area and neither side is truly good or evil.
@@vandermixon They aren't.
Is this historical fiction or an exact account of the meeting?
just remember that the winners always write history
I believe this can apply to Africa as well; tribe vs tribe before the White man.
And slavery is still rife in Libya
I believe it applies to all of humanity no matter where they are from.
White Man is simply the stronger tribe.
Luzur white people were Champs at deceiving...
@@SwedishEmpire1700 True.
I could watch this scene over and over again, and never grow tired of it
It is important to state that the wars between the whites and indians were a complex time and both sides did bad things
But the point is that American Indians were not just a bunch of peace pipe smoking hippies and the white settlers were not the original nazis thats the entire point
@@beavisjones1831 Indeed, the whites were morally on even ground with the Indians.
@@profe_stilo If you think that comparison holds water it's a sad day for humanity.
@@profe_stilo Was it possible for Europeans to legally immigrate to the Americas? The idea of a country didn't even exist.
@@profe_stilo Not in North America. You just had nomads killing each other and swapping small bits of terrority. Your reading comprehension is really poor.
When i was a kid, growing up right next to the Northern Nevada Paiute Reservation, i was taught at school that Natives sprung from the ground like the spring grasses and Coalesced out of the ether. In my teens i watched a JRE where i found out that no they are actually Asian descendants that came across the Bearing Land Bridge before the end of the last ice age.
They are creation stories, just like Genisis story. Myths are not true but a way of telling a truth. Dreams make sense when dreaming but in our waking dream they can't be taken literally as they are symbols that have meaning to the dreamer.
@@mauryelsasser2048 irrelevant to my point.
@@cmoore421 I made your point for you.
@@mauryelsasser2048 no you didn’t but whatever
@Chris Jones Ok. I'm missing his point. What is his point?
As a person of Apache descent, the Colonel is spot on, and Sitting Bull has an earring that most likely was not make on the prairie. Wahi' Valleys
It’s only your land if you can defend it. That is the story of human history.
Ah, the good old times, when we knew who we were.
Also debatable, like tribe vs tribe. What are you? If you were born to a different family, different country. What would you be then?
@@raczyk What is debatable?
@@raczyk why do you hate your own tribe
I know one thing. We oughta stop being so tribal if we want to fix this place... we destroying the ground beneath our feet faster than we’re destroying each other
@@Kevin12321 I wish that was possible, but unfortunately it isn't.
We (White people) tried. The vast majority of us no longer feels any loyalty to his own race and even ethnicity in many cases.
In fact, that's the very reason we are in this mess.
While we were losing ourselves in becoming little individuals the other groups became even more tribal.
The old saying says that *if you turn yourself into a sheep, the wolves will come.*
This is the reason that the founding stock of Canada, US, Australia, NZ and some Western European countries will all become a minority by the end of this century, some of them in just a couple of decades.
Basically, they'll all become South Africa (documentary: "Farmlands").
Fantastic actor. He has that stern stare, posture and solid voice of a gentleman of old.
It's a very specific vibe he gives off that grabs you attention and never lets go.
I wonder why we didn't hear more from this guy
Lately he's been in the show heartland for over 14 seasons and still going@@johnnyskinwalker4095
"Who gave us the weapons"
Who made you use them? Yourself. Mercilessly and ruthlessly, against your own "kind"
When the Corps of Discovery, the Lewis and Clark Expedition, wintered with the Mandans near Council Bluffs before heading up the Missouri River, they were told that when they go up the river, they will meet a people who will not listen.
These were those people.
Human history in three sentences: "Is that yours? It's mine now!" "If I don't steal it, someone else will!"
As the Bible states, those who steal shall be cut off according to it And those who swear falsely in my name.
Zechariah 5:3
“Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.”
@@jaulloa21 That isnt stealing, that is conquering which is different.
@@alangcanosa8978 did god say conquest was your destiny? Perhaps in the Old Testament when Israel conquered tribes that were destined to perish. Yes. But here. This was murder.
@@jaulloa21
Was it murder when the first Crusaders marched to retake Jerusalem from Muslim conquest?
Was it murder when the 189 Swiss Guard slew numerous Christian mercenaries, in defense of the Pope in 1527?
Is it murder when an Ant colony wars and genocides another, and enslaves their larvae?
Was the Gombe Chimp War just "murder"?
If the answer is "yes", then so too were the conquests of the Israelites. Murder is murder through and through, the only debate is whether it is just or not and when.
Sometimes there simply is no just, no matter what side you look from, and all there is to show is emotional indifference and learning what to and what not to do in the future.
It's all just War. Plain and simple. It is the struggle between two or more entities, competing for resources or territory necessary to prolong oneself and advance their interests.
When you chalk it up to that, War is pretty much just an unfortunate and inescapable factor of nature and life.
So to opinionize.. to deem one evil or good, right or wrong, pick and choose who the angels and demons are, for conflicts that are NOT your own, is a dangerous fallacy.
War was fought between Natives/Natives, and Natives/Europeans.
One side lost, the other won.
Some Natives even up and joined the Europeans to get an edge on a rival tribe.
It's all just War.
We Western nations might be taken over ourselves before long.
An honest man. He told the truth.
“Red cloud is no longer a chief he is a woman you have mounted and had your way with… DO NOT SPEAK TO ME OF RED CLOUD!”
LMFAO
Yeah im of black descendant and tribes in Africa done the same, especially the Zulus
The Zulus were one of the most feared tribes of Africa spreading large
Their Kingdom continued until the British found diamonds in Zululand
But even that, the Zulus still had a fierce reputation that the British were even afraid
All of our ancestors are warriors, you wouldn't be here otherwise. That scene is powerful because it is honest and shows both perspectives realistically. I will never fault anyone who believes they are defending their home, and when it comes to any American vs American Indian conflict, both sides, right or wrong, believe they are defending their home. God bless all American Indians. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull will never die, they live forever in the soul of America herself. They are true Americans and true American warriors, as much as anyone in our illustrious history.
Very true. If only a peaceful solution was reached.
@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513 One was, Treaty of Fort Laramie 1868.... It was broken by the US government because some dudes found gold in the Blackhills. Hell they abandoned forts along the Bozeman trail as a result of the Treaty. Fort Fetterman outside of Story Wyoming, where Red Cloud's War started, was abandoned because of the Treaty of Fort Laramie. But then a year later some dudes found gold in the Blackhills of Wyoming and South Dakota and well, that's when things heated up again, and the military ignored the treaty so that prospectors could get rich.
@@stagalgiz1097 Wasn’t the military who ignored it(though there were plenty of Army dipshits). Look higher. It was the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the Interior Dept., and ultimately President Grant…who all caved to the whims of prospectors(Indians don’t vote). But one good thing came out of the Custer expedition for gold…
How can they be Indians if they’re not from India?
@@Ash_Rein You clearly do not know anything about American Indians just by making that comment. Only PC virtue-signaling leftists who know nothing about anything refer to them as Native Americans. All scholars on the subject and basically all American Indians themselves still refer to the indigenous population of North America as Indians regardless of if you are offended are not. However, to answer your question historically, when Columbus landed in the Bahamas he thought originally he was in the Indonesian Islands or East Indies and referred to the indigenous population he made contact with as Indians because he was not aware at the moment that he was in the "New World" or what would later be known as America. As a result, the term Indian stuck for literally centuries and still to this day for most people who actually care about the subject and culture.
Could listen to this kind of dialogue and performance for hours man. Damn good.
I listen to it anytime I have a hard conversation up ahead of me. Note how Miles doesn't get distracted by counteraccusations and misdirection. He doesn't defend his or anyone else's actions. He just keeps spitting facts. That is the way to make your point. Don't get defensive; stay on point. Make the other guy lose his cool first.
@@soldat2501 very good points!