I think that the same routine will keep going. Teams are going to see the one year turnaround washington did and think they can do it too. Not to mention caleb and maye looking solid as well. Maye in particular could be the main reason teams keep throwing qbs to the wolves because he looks good in a awful situation
If you look at Peyton Manning he was not good coming into the league. The organization was okay with that. Coaches feel that if they don’t have a third year leap that the QB will never be good. Have them sit or have them play. Do not have them play just to be benched
@@FootballAnalysis1 I think they should go back to being patient but we're living in the "instant gratification age" so I just don't see that happening..
If you're going to draft a QB before you build the roster, then you'd better be prepared to sit that QB for several seasons while you build the roster. QB is the most critical position because it is a multiplier for your entire offense, but multiplying anything by zero is still zero. If your roster sucks then a QB won't save you, and you might just ruin the QB.
For the most part your right but people like cj stroud and Jayden Daniels came into situations where people thought the offense was a nothing for the most part and they immediately raised the play of everyone on the offense
@@lukerice3122this is true but, Cj had Nico and Tank who he could throw to consistently not to say that hes not talented but they were good assets to help him along, and for jd5 he’s a bit more special because they’ve built a scheme that really fits his playstyle and ability to break down a defense with his legs but yea those two are insane for what they do with these teams
To expand on Daniel’s case, the front office did a good job going out and picking up WRs who do the dirty work while already having a strong #1 in terry McLaren. Hail Mary catch aside, Noah brown has been exceptional in the blocking game which has opened the outside for the RBs and is a mostly reliable pass catcher. Luke McCaffery while still raw also goes out and blocks. And yeah the coaching staff also does a good job scheming around Daniel’s skill set and making things happen. So even while he’s a special case, the front office did what it could with low risk high reward signings to try and help him, and it’s paid dividends while some of these teams like the panthers traded valuable draft capital that would have given them possible help for Bryce in a rebuild just for the measly opportunity to break him before he even got a chance.
Every single major network and talk show absolutely dumping on the Falcons for a month straight for picking Penix and then letting him sit for two years to learn is now complaining about rushing young quarterbacks out and failing.
Umm no the issue with that is that penix is not very young. He’s gonna be 26 at best when he gets to start. But sure that’s fine if he’s good when he gets his shot. But the main issue is that Kirk would still count against the cap 2 years from now. And Kirk is absolutely gonna be the starter 3 years from now as well if he continues to play at a good level. Which is only gonna make it worse for penix and make it a waste of a draft pick for a team looking to win right now.
I've said before it is an impatience problem. My Lions built the team with the trade picks and Goff kept proving his worth doubling his value because we could continue building the team. A couple of more years and our success will show as our stars start leaving for their second contract.
It's funny. I keep seeing the Lions are "old school with a new philosophy". All they did was follow the philosophy of building from the inside-out. They inherited a few key pieces on the O-line already, but the D-line took a bit longer to come together. But being able to run the ball makes life much easier for the QB. Being able to stop the run makes the opposing QB have to take more chances. The only thing the Lions do that's "new" to is add a bit of pizazz on their passing plays and have extremely good blocking schemes. But the rebuild was smartly done because they used what the had, built out, and went from there. Holmes taught a master class on this.
I think one thing I would've liked for you to mention is also having good offensive coordinators for these QB's. Mac Jones didn't look nearly as good when McDaniels left, and Goff looked revitalized once Ben Johnson came along. Those aren't coincidences to me.
I still think the thing people are missing is subbing Oline in, doesn’t have to be as much as dline corners and receivers do it but if baffles me that some teams who have good oline depth t haven’t at the very least tried it. Especially teams who spread the ball sideline to sideline, if u have oline with fresh legs they won’t slow up and instead keep blocking downfield giving higher chance for chunk plays. Might be stupid but I think it’s worth a try
works in theory, but getting 7-8 guys on the same page during the whole game is hard. it’s hard enough with the normal 5 trying to communicate how it’s going up front, let alone adding in 2-3 more rotating in
The o-line has to adjust to the defense running several different schemes throughout the game and it would probably get confusing subbing guys in and out if they haven’t played against the front the defense is in. Confusion on the o-line is the easiest way to get the qb k¡!!t so it’s not worth it in coaches eyes. For example a team has been blitzing, new o-lineman comes in and they fake the blitz, now the whole line is out of position because the fresh lineman didn’t adjust and blocked the wrong guy; the qb is liable to get wrecked. If the communication is extremely good it could be possible hypothetically
As a lions fan I distinctly remember people wanting us to take Justin Fields. If we took Justin Fields over Sewell we would be in a Panthers like situation right now.
Disagree. Yall would probably still be balling. 1. Fields is a running QB, not having Sewell wouldn't effect him like it effects a pocket passer like Goff. 2. Dan Campbell is the real deal and would still make it work. 3. Panthers issue is so systemic from the owner on down. I doubt anyone other than a new and arrogant owner could mess up a franchise as much as the Panthers have. 4. From a Panthers fan... Panthers are still better cuz least they go to the SB once a decade while still being the most volatile team in NFL history, it's just part of the Panthers ride. Lions got to win a SB or go to three of em before they can talk to Panthers 😂😂😂😂 least that's what I cry out loud to go to sleep😢😢😢
sewell could end up being the best of all time at his spot if he has the career length of trent williams, fields was my guy (bears fan) but i wanted sewell that draft and quentin nelson the draft we took roquan, because the bears NEVER HAVE OFFENSIVE LINES
@ but if we take fields in 21 we would need to take a tackle in 22 which gives us either ekwonu or neal who both haven’t really lived up to expectations. unless we just ride and still take hutch I don’t think it would’ve worked out if we took fields.
Thing is, this argument gets shutdown when you look at what guys like Stroud and Jayden Daniels are doing right now, they literally put their teams on their back and saved them. There is no right answer for whether to “sit the QB let him develop” or “play the QB now he’ll learn that way”. So many factors that go in to it, but it’s still mostly on the individual QB at the end of the day, so you better hope you pick and coach your guy right
Stroud's sophomore season doesn't really seem to be going too well though. Yes that team has a winning record but that's more because they have played a lot of games where their opponent just implodes.
College football is producing: 1. Too many small QBs. 2. Too many running QBs who can't slide or otherwise protect themselves to stay healthy 3. Too many QBs who can't play under center. 4. Too many QBs who don't throw a ball more than 5 yards downfield. 5. Poor offensive linemen The NFL and NCAA need to rework their rules to be more consistent. Start by using the same football and standardize the hashes.
The poor offensive lineman aspect is due to the fact that these schemes target run games and the offensive lineman don’t consistently face top tier edge threats. So of course offensive lineman are gonna be slower to develop. That’s just gonna be the case. Cuz even the third string edge rusher on the cardinals would be better than most edge rushers at a college. So these olineman aren’t used to consistently facing that on a down to down basis. That’s why the highest drafted olineman are always large and athletic or highly technical guys who dominate the weaker opponents.
Josh Allen had 30 attempts and 9 completions against the Texans. But if you watched the game you would know there were a lot of drops and bad routes by receivers. Simply put, stat lines don't provide context. Richardson vs Texans was similar in terms of stats not providing context. Don't infer that I am saying Richardson will be Josh Allen. Just an example to point out that stats don't provide context. Thank you for being a voice of reason in all this irrationality.
As a Bears fan who’s team never gets it right(Williams still pending) why should successful teams have to change anything for the sake of dysfunctional organizations.
Out of all the teams that are defensive led Rus is BY FAR LEAPS AND BOUNDS the best QB ..and that offense was constantly nice ( Golden Tate , Jermaine Kearse, Percy Harvin , Jimmy Graham ) and RBs usually a great defensive team have a great RB( Walter Payton, Jamal Lewis , ) y’all had both
Russell Wilson was FAR better in 2012-2015 than Peyton Manning in 2015 or Trent Dilfer in his entire career. I still can't believe the Broncos lost 43-8 to the Seahawks in 2013, or that they beat the Panthers 24-10 in 2015. I'd expect those years to be reversed since the 2013 Broncos were terrifying in every level of the game but the 2015 Broncos were so bad at offense.
The philosophy of "just a QB away" is why Washington was at best a middle of the pack team for years and years. The previous owner thought the team just needed that one special player to make a Super Bowl-winning team and wasn't ever willing to allow the kind of rebuild that was necessary. As soon as the team was sold to a smart owner, all of that has turned around and they've been extremely lucky to get the right GM, who hired the right HC, who hired the right coaching staff, all of whom drafted the right players and cut or traded the wrong players.
The NFL could use a minor league system, similar to MLB. QBs who were not ready used to be able to develop in NFL Europe, but that no longer exists. True story: Jake Delhomme called his father from Europe and told his father he was thinking of quitting because he couldn't even start in NFL Europe. The father asked who the starter was and Jake responded "Some guy named Kurt Warner." So, even an HOF NFL QB needed time to develop. He could play and develop in Europe.
This also coming off a knee injury where I doubt he practiced exceptionally well. he certainly shouldn’t have said what he did, but there’s a case to be made that he just wasn’t ready to play which is a failure of the coaching staff.
There’s too much pressure from multiple places (owners, fans, ticket holders, media, etc.) for QBs to come in ready without a huge need for development. I believe social media has also put more pressure on teams to get things fixed quickly. The frustration of the fans is heard more now than ever thanks to social media.
'Can't ignore the other 52' So True: How'd those WR's look with Flacco? Routes were much cleaner and crisp! Timing was again a factor. Oline was more cohesive. Young's rookie yr: The only highlights were from the games Dalton played and the offence looked like a unit, not a good unit but a unit. -Some rookies need to sit, some don't, but either way running QB's get hurt and running QB's who can't throw are a waste of a pick!
It’s interesting . The Packers took Love over Tee Higgins and I truly believe it cost them a Super Bowl but it made them better today. So it was probably a good move but it isn’t clear cut.
Let’s be honest qb play has been the same from the start of the 21st century and has arguably gotten better, in the 21st century the superbowl winners have been comprised mostly of Brady, Manning, Big Ben and mahomes… the outliers obviously Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning
This is exactly right. You can count on one hand the # of qbs who started right away as rookies who had a successful career, but every year we have guys proclaimed as "bust" cuz they were drafted high and started too soon.
The Packers are literally the blueprint to create good QB’s idk how nfl teams haven’t caught on yet. Luckily some teams are finally starting to follow that same Packers plan of sitting a young QB for 1-3 years before throwing them out there
Very true. Even Favre sat in Atlanta his first year. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, these guys all sat and look at what they've accomplished/become. The best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.
@@Ryan-gz9xg Jordan Love literally sat and that’s what made him “elite”. You don’t need a HOF QB everytime to still benefit a young QB bro. Just sign a veteran QB and let to young QB sit, it ain’t rocket science
@@JAVARRIS88 nope not true. Alex Smith isn’t a HOF and they made Mahomes sit. Teams need to just sign a solid veteran QB and keep the young QB on the bench for 1-3 years. Y’all are completely overthinking it. A vet QB has experience that they can teach young QB it doesn’t matter if it’s a HOF or just a solid vet, obviously it would be even better if they had a HOF QB
-Never will understand Bryce over Stroud, it was seeing 'want' over 'reality'. Same with AR. -Take "I believe" + "tons of potential/intangibles" + "Oh the Excitement!" OVER "I observed and measured" + "realistic NFL expectation" + "pragmatism" and most will take Reggie Bush over Mario Williams again just like the fools before. -I was truly wrong about one player and that was Lamar and AR is/was no LJ. Why so few games at QB in his life? Running QB's get hurt! If they can't throw and can't stay healthy they don't succeed in NFL and I'm sick of seeing BU's! -Change is constant in the NFL, but other than rule changes, those changes are all recycled! Cyclical like you said.
While everything you said is true the problem is truly a connundrum ..it’s the fault of the salary cap ..people take young QBs high because having the most expensive position performing well is arguably the best bargain in sports …it doesn’t make sense to draft a QB high a potentially waste cheapest years and easiest years to build your team because of “development “ that’s too much caring about the individual player especially since they have slotted salaries it’s not as big of a L to simply reshuffle the deck with a new high draft prospect than it is to hold on and try …the only way I see what you saying happening is A) if they make QBs not be counted against the cap or B) they allow you to negotiate a rookies salary payment again..Great video tho bro
Theres a combination of a lot of things going on. First is that I don't think the college game nor the NFL game is actually interested in developing guys as much as they are interested in creating a scheme that allows them to win now. This makes it even harder now to project who will make it in the NFL leading teams to just try and look for prospects that have rawer skills and they can develop them into star QBs. Allen is the quintessential example of this, but Mahomes, Lamar, and Goff are all examples of this as well. ALso rookie QBs are just paid sooo much less than they were prior to Sam Bradford. I think this leads to teams reaching on QBs at higher picks than they otherwise would have during the earlier years. Because rookie QBs are cheaper, draft busts aren't as significant as they once were and if the guy doesn't work out, they'll get rid of them.
5:44 young QBs never should have been expected to change everything. They weren’t in the past, with even first rounders sitting behind a vet for a season or two. That’s what a team needs to do for prolonged success.
There’s a reason I liked the Falcons drafting Penix and it mostly has to do with what you brought up here. There are a few great qbs that came in and started out well in their rookie years, but that’s the Joe Burrows and the CJ Strouds, all of whom are exceptions, not the rule. The vast majority of qbs need some time to develop and if they can do it while sitting behind a solid veteran like Love did and how I suspect Penix will turn out, it’s all the better. Josh Allen struggled in his first year, but what if the Bills had brought in some veteran to show Josh the ropes while he sits for a year? Would Allen be even better than the top 5 qb he already is? I guess we’ll see in a season or two when Kirk retires if this works out and if the league will start to follow suit.
I think the development difference between O-line and D-line contributes to the QB problem. Because the O-line is not as sexy, and tends to make less money at every talent level, there is more talent on defense, because talent chases money. That means QBs need to be more mobile to remain effective behind their less talented lines. Both the QBs and lines need more coaching, and need to learn to work together as a team. If the Colts don't play like today matters, they might as well tell their veterans to make career decisions for the rest of the year. I still think that Zach Wilson's problem was mostly a Jets problem, and the fact that they are worse with Rodgers is my evidence.
I've been saying for YEARS that teams have to build their LINES FIRST for their skill players to have any shot at competing. How many times have we seen a QB in the off-season slinging the ball around like the next coming of Pat Mahomes UNTIL he faces an NFL pass rush and then he's in deep waters? Mitigate the trenches and all else becomes infinitely more achievable.
For me it’s people complaining about the Chiefs no matter what kind of fabrications they have to make up in their mind. Lmao red zone sucks anyways just watch a full game/games
I've been saying this for a minute....Most of these young QBs need to sit. MaHomes and Jackson are two of the best but even those guys sat most of their first season
AR was painful to watch at UF and is EXACTLY the same player. I’m not saying I could find a back up defensive back in the 5th. I’m saying a lot of these teams could text me about their top 10 pick and I could say “that’s dumb”
Draft a running QB they say First thing they do is tell the QB to run less and pass more, then wonder why they aren’t as successful as they were in college. Rushing QB’s have to also have a great arm. (Lamar, Vick, etc.)
As a 20 year Colts fan I am so sick of hearing people say “well Flacco gives them the best chance to win” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 WIN WHAT?!?!?!?! 2 extra games just for the chance to MAYBE be the 7th seed and get dog walked wildcard weekend??? We’re nowhere close to contenders so what’s the point??? The goal is to win titles not participation trophies!!! We need our QB of the future, who these idiots drafted 18 months ago KNOWING he was raw and needed reps, to develop and we need to build the team around him. The smart and big picture move is to let him play. If he sucks the whole year we get a high pick which we desperately need since our dumbass GM rarely makes any off-season moves. But since it’s becoming more and more obvious that he sucks at his job he knows his ass is on the line smfh this is ass covering 101 and that’s not how you build a champion 😒😒😒😒😒 what a shitshow
This really is nothing new. It's just back then, rookie QBs were, for the most part, sat behind a vet for a year to absorb the offense and scheme so they weren't killed their first time out. Otherwise, most rookie QBs tend to otherwise fail. Been that way since the league was founded.
Not even a falcons fan but everyone said they were soooo stupid for signing Kirk and drafting penix to sit. Seems like they were the only ones with a plan all along 🤷♀️
What NFL teams is doing is fine rn but impatient media and in some cases, awful owners (paging David Tepper) give up on QB’s too quickly. Bryce Young, it’s obvious why he’s struggled. AR’s situation is unique because I don’t think he’d be getting so much stick if it wasn’t for Flacco fans. Mac Jones may be better than he actually is because of the multiple awful OC’s.
It already is kinda similar, caleb left what we thought was no time for jayden to go down the field and score but he somehow did, similar to mahomes leading a 13 second drive
@@bellman4336 That's a debatable topic but I'm referring to the No Fly Zone like the 2000 Ravens and 85 Bears being one of the great defenses to carry a garbage offense to win a Super Bowl. The Seahawks had a capable offense so that's why they didn't mention them in the video.
Bryce young not being able to see over the line and see the defense hurts his oline. Qbs have to get rid of the ball. This applies to lamar jackson too.
My biggest issues are one, Bryce young looks scared out there at times, and he'll let that fear flush him out of the pocket. In the NFL, If you cant stand in the pocket and throw knowing you'll take a hit, you're probably done for as a prospect. Second problem is his overall size. He's not extremely short or extremely skinny, but his frame is Little. I dont see him adding any significant weight without sacrificing his athleticism. I would love to see him get another shot with a better organization, but it may be too late for that. His confidence could be shot already.
The NFL should go back to a more patient approach with quarterbacks but after what I just saw with Drake Maye, the media and fans that would not shut up about getting him on the field even though they're going nowhere this season and everybody knows it. I can't see them going back to giving these guys time..
No point in sitting him Maye right now, us going nowhere gives us the perfect reason to start him, we already have nothing to lose, he’s only going to develop quicker this way and it’s clearly working, he’s looked great in the 2.5 games he’s played
Lack of QB development is simply a symptom of the real problem....no long term thinking in the NFL. Problem? Get someone new in there.... No immediate success, time for someone new. From GM all the way down.
I always wonder what if the Colts had drafted Bryce Young and not taken AR. i know its a hot take, but with the current talent the Colts have on offense it fits any QB that can throw the darn ball instead of AR's style of play. Colts didn't need a project QB imo, but AR is still on his rookie contract so anything can happen.
The Colts should bring a Tight End to help Flacco and eventually help Richardson the receivers had dropped too much balls even if he needs to fix his flaws having a great target on the position that desperately needs a big time player since Dallas Clark will help in his development being faster and easy.
The panthers are so far from being a functioning franchise that by the time Bryce would be figuring it out, they would have to pay him $50+ million a year and wouldn’t be able to maintain anything they did build around him because of cap space.
People need to fucking stop with CJ had a bad situation they drafted and rebuilt perfectly around him, good defense good offense line and weapons on offense
but also the for my colts, I think the fans and the owner have too high standards this season. They think we can win a super bowl right now when in reality we just need to be fringe team at best. Let AR learn, we aren't wasting anyone's time we need to be patient
The thing about Bryce Young tho is the Panthers this off-season did everything they could to get the most out of Bryce Young, got him a o line, running good, WRs are better, yet he looks worse than last year. I'm leaning towards its more him than the Panthers despite the fact they did him no favors year 1.
I get what you're saying but wouldn't that mean that Andy dalton who might not be a world beater but is a starting caliber qb, can't g e t anything done with this panthers team?
I didn't think it was a bad pick because it was a QB, I thought it was a bad pick because 1) they badly needed defensive linemen and 2) picking Penix specifically didn't make a whole lot of sense considering how much experience he had at the college level
I mean, which is it, then? You said Richardson needs reps because he’s so raw and inexperienced, but then you pivot and bring up Love and say the colts would’ve ruined him because… they would’ve given the raw qb reps?
Now with the deonte Johnson trade Carolina tried to get a third for him for weeks now if they don't trade him they're going to lose him and free agency for absolutely nothing so they basically had to just get what they could get when they could get it for deonte Johnson
I'm sorry, but in both the title and often in the video, you say the NFL is going to change how they develop QBs, but you don't give details. The CBA penalizes teams for sitting young QBs, so I don't expect a rash of QB redshirts without changes there. I guarantee you in 5 years that teams will still start most 1st round QBs in their rookie year, and have the same 40%-ish success rate. Sitting QBs doesnt always work either (Trey Lance, JP Losman, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, etc, etc)
To be fair, I don't care if your Tom Brady, your not fixing there Pathets until he who owns them, who shall not be named, is no longer the owner. That guy... Just can not make good decisions at all.
For all his faults, and there are many, at least Stan Kroenke let his front office manage the team and ended up with two Super Bowl appearances and a ring for his trouble
I agree. Mostly because these teams with bad ownerships are going to dominate the top picks. Teams like the jets and panthers are going to consistently draft in the upper 5-10 picks (if not 1-3) because they just keep throwing Hail Marys and praying they get their savior while giving away all the draft capital, or having exceptionally bad teams due to the front office sucking or bad coaching (or both in some cases) and then selling them off or breaking them before they even have a fair chance and repeating the process. We currently have 2 former QB’s drafted by the jets having mostly successful revivals once they got away from the franchise. I honestly expect this trend to continue.
What do you think NFL teams should do moving forward? 🤔
Not 100% sure but God bless you brotha ur content is amazing.
I think that the same routine will keep going. Teams are going to see the one year turnaround washington did and think they can do it too. Not to mention caleb and maye looking solid as well. Maye in particular could be the main reason teams keep throwing qbs to the wolves because he looks good in a awful situation
If you look at Peyton Manning he was not good coming into the league. The organization was okay with that. Coaches feel that if they don’t have a third year leap that the QB will never be good. Have them sit or have them play. Do not have them play just to be benched
@oscarhess1376 so a coach can't reevaluate the process he has chosen and change his mind, when he feels somethings not working.
@@FootballAnalysis1 I think they should go back to being patient but we're living in the "instant gratification age" so I just don't see that happening..
This guy is better than the people on TV analyzing the NFL.
Except that he needs an editor. Badly. There are only so many times I can hear “has went.”
@@coravoyx oh boohoo cry about it
He isnt hired for being a "personality". Not saying he doesnt have one, but i dont want to hear stephen a smiths and skips
Just a bunch of rich people lol
This was by far the most rational take I've seen this week given all the "drama".
If you're going to draft a QB before you build the roster, then you'd better be prepared to sit that QB for several seasons while you build the roster.
QB is the most critical position because it is a multiplier for your entire offense, but multiplying anything by zero is still zero. If your roster sucks then a QB won't save you, and you might just ruin the QB.
For the most part your right but people like cj stroud and Jayden Daniels came into situations where people thought the offense was a nothing for the most part and they immediately raised the play of everyone on the offense
@@lukerice3122this is true but, Cj had Nico and Tank who he could throw to consistently not to say that hes not talented but they were good assets to help him along, and for jd5 he’s a bit more special because they’ve built a scheme that really fits his playstyle and ability to break down a defense with his legs but yea those two are insane for what they do with these teams
Unless you’re the colts, richardson is fucking trash.
To expand on Daniel’s case, the front office did a good job going out and picking up WRs who do the dirty work while already having a strong #1 in terry McLaren. Hail Mary catch aside, Noah brown has been exceptional in the blocking game which has opened the outside for the RBs and is a mostly reliable pass catcher. Luke McCaffery while still raw also goes out and blocks. And yeah the coaching staff also does a good job scheming around Daniel’s skill set and making things happen. So even while he’s a special case, the front office did what it could with low risk high reward signings to try and help him, and it’s paid dividends while some of these teams like the panthers traded valuable draft capital that would have given them possible help for Bryce in a rebuild just for the measly opportunity to break him before he even got a chance.
if the players aren’t ready then they should stay in college until they are. That’s the risk they’re taking when they declare before they’re ready.
Lovie needs a ring and statue if the Texans win a superbowl
Cowboys will win another Super bowl before Texans win their first
@@88Cragergood joke bro
not gonna happen ever
@@88Crager theres no chance the cowboys are ever winning another sb with the jones family lmao
Every single major network and talk show absolutely dumping on the Falcons for a month straight for picking Penix and then letting him sit for two years to learn is now complaining about rushing young quarterbacks out and failing.
Came here to post this. Falcons suddenly playing chess.
drafting and letting a young qb sit was never the problem with atl. They drafted a 24 year old rookie who will be 26-27 when he first starts
@@aaryanshah7531 and the problem here is…?
@@aaryanshah7531add that he has no knee tendons too 😂
Umm no the issue with that is that penix is not very young. He’s gonna be 26 at best when he gets to start. But sure that’s fine if he’s good when he gets his shot. But the main issue is that Kirk would still count against the cap 2 years from now. And Kirk is absolutely gonna be the starter 3 years from now as well if he continues to play at a good level. Which is only gonna make it worse for penix and make it a waste of a draft pick for a team looking to win right now.
I've said before it is an impatience problem. My Lions built the team with the trade picks and Goff kept proving his worth doubling his value because we could continue building the team. A couple of more years and our success will show as our stars start leaving for their second contract.
It's funny. I keep seeing the Lions are "old school with a new philosophy". All they did was follow the philosophy of building from the inside-out. They inherited a few key pieces on the O-line already, but the D-line took a bit longer to come together. But being able to run the ball makes life much easier for the QB. Being able to stop the run makes the opposing QB have to take more chances. The only thing the Lions do that's "new" to is add a bit of pizazz on their passing plays and have extremely good blocking schemes. But the rebuild was smartly done because they used what the had, built out, and went from there. Holmes taught a master class on this.
I think one thing I would've liked for you to mention is also having good offensive coordinators for these QB's. Mac Jones didn't look nearly as good when McDaniels left, and Goff looked revitalized once Ben Johnson came along. Those aren't coincidences to me.
I still think the thing people are missing is subbing Oline in, doesn’t have to be as much as dline corners and receivers do it but if baffles me that some teams who have good oline depth t haven’t at the very least tried it. Especially teams who spread the ball sideline to sideline, if u have oline with fresh legs they won’t slow up and instead keep blocking downfield giving higher chance for chunk plays. Might be stupid but I think it’s worth a try
works in theory, but getting 7-8 guys on the same page during the whole game is hard. it’s hard enough with the normal 5 trying to communicate how it’s going up front, let alone adding in 2-3 more rotating in
The o-line has to adjust to the defense running several different schemes throughout the game and it would probably get confusing subbing guys in and out if they haven’t played against the front the defense is in. Confusion on the o-line is the easiest way to get the qb k¡!!t so it’s not worth it in coaches eyes. For example a team has been blitzing, new o-lineman comes in and they fake the blitz, now the whole line is out of position because the fresh lineman didn’t adjust and blocked the wrong guy; the qb is liable to get wrecked. If the communication is extremely good it could be possible hypothetically
As a lions fan I distinctly remember people wanting us to take Justin Fields. If we took Justin Fields over Sewell we would be in a Panthers like situation right now.
Disagree. Yall would probably still be balling.
1. Fields is a running QB, not having Sewell wouldn't effect him like it effects a pocket passer like Goff.
2. Dan Campbell is the real deal and would still make it work.
3. Panthers issue is so systemic from the owner on down. I doubt anyone other than a new and arrogant owner could mess up a franchise as much as the Panthers have.
4. From a Panthers fan... Panthers are still better cuz least they go to the SB once a decade while still being the most volatile team in NFL history, it's just part of the Panthers ride. Lions got to win a SB or go to three of em before they can talk to Panthers 😂😂😂😂 least that's what I cry out loud to go to sleep😢😢😢
....what?
sewell could end up being the best of all time at his spot if he has the career length of trent williams, fields was my guy (bears fan) but i wanted sewell that draft and quentin nelson the draft we took roquan, because the bears NEVER HAVE OFFENSIVE LINES
@ but if we take fields in 21 we would need to take a tackle in 22 which gives us either ekwonu or neal who both haven’t really lived up to expectations. unless we just ride and still take hutch I don’t think it would’ve worked out if we took fields.
This is one of the dumbest comments I've read and I'm not sure why it has so many likes
Thing is, this argument gets shutdown when you look at what guys like Stroud and Jayden Daniels are doing right now, they literally put their teams on their back and saved them.
There is no right answer for whether to “sit the QB let him develop” or “play the QB now he’ll learn that way”. So many factors that go in to it, but it’s still mostly on the individual QB at the end of the day, so you better hope you pick and coach your guy right
Stroud's sophomore season doesn't really seem to be going too well though. Yes that team has a winning record but that's more because they have played a lot of games where their opponent just implodes.
College football is producing:
1. Too many small QBs.
2. Too many running QBs who can't slide or otherwise protect themselves to stay healthy
3. Too many QBs who can't play under center.
4. Too many QBs who don't throw a ball more than 5 yards downfield.
5. Poor offensive linemen
The NFL and NCAA need to rework their rules to be more consistent. Start by using the same football and standardize the hashes.
Bo Nix doesn't fall into any of these luckily
The poor offensive lineman aspect is due to the fact that these schemes target run games and the offensive lineman don’t consistently face top tier edge threats. So of course offensive lineman are gonna be slower to develop. That’s just gonna be the case. Cuz even the third string edge rusher on the cardinals would be better than most edge rushers at a college. So these olineman aren’t used to consistently facing that on a down to down basis. That’s why the highest drafted olineman are always large and athletic or highly technical guys who dominate the weaker opponents.
@@brianbadonde9251umm bo nix definitely didn’t have to throw downfield that much at Oregon my man.
NIL, Transfer Portal and the current college game are making QB selection a lottery instead of methodical process
Josh Allen had 30 attempts and 9 completions against the Texans. But if you watched the game you would know there were a lot of drops and bad routes by receivers. Simply put, stat lines don't provide context.
Richardson vs Texans was similar in terms of stats not providing context. Don't infer that I am saying Richardson will be Josh Allen. Just an example to point out that stats don't provide context.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in all this irrationality.
As a Bears fan who’s team never gets it right(Williams still pending) why should successful teams have to change anything for the sake of dysfunctional organizations.
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The Idea of waiting for players to develop is slowly being thrown out the window by most teams.
not naming the LOB is crazy
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Seattle fans when there are other historical defenses that have existed
2007-8 giants
Out of all the teams that are defensive led Rus is BY FAR LEAPS AND BOUNDS the best QB ..and that offense was constantly nice ( Golden Tate , Jermaine Kearse, Percy Harvin , Jimmy Graham ) and RBs usually a great defensive team have a great RB( Walter Payton, Jamal Lewis , ) y’all had both
Russell Wilson was FAR better in 2012-2015 than Peyton Manning in 2015 or Trent Dilfer in his entire career.
I still can't believe the Broncos lost 43-8 to the Seahawks in 2013, or that they beat the Panthers 24-10 in 2015. I'd expect those years to be reversed since the 2013 Broncos were terrifying in every level of the game but the 2015 Broncos were so bad at offense.
I really think the 2004 class absolutely ruined expectations for rookie quarterbacks.
2004???
No it’s guys like daniels or stroud or herbert.
@@crimsonchin8916 you must not remember that class
@@crimsonchin8916 and teams have been trying this well before those guys
The philosophy of "just a QB away" is why Washington was at best a middle of the pack team for years and years. The previous owner thought the team just needed that one special player to make a Super Bowl-winning team and wasn't ever willing to allow the kind of rebuild that was necessary.
As soon as the team was sold to a smart owner, all of that has turned around and they've been extremely lucky to get the right GM, who hired the right HC, who hired the right coaching staff, all of whom drafted the right players and cut or traded the wrong players.
The NFL could use a minor league system, similar to MLB. QBs who were not ready used to be able to develop in NFL Europe, but that no longer exists.
True story: Jake Delhomme called his father from Europe and told his father he was thinking of quitting because he couldn't even start in NFL Europe. The father asked who the starter was and Jake responded "Some guy named Kurt Warner." So, even an HOF NFL QB needed time to develop. He could play and develop in Europe.
Tbf AR15 should NOT have said that, but scouts noted his lack of conditioning during the draft process. Him getting tired should not surprise anyone.
This also coming off a knee injury where I doubt he practiced exceptionally well. he certainly shouldn’t have said what he did, but there’s a case to be made that he just wasn’t ready to play which is a failure of the coaching staff.
Appreciate the Video today, bro.
Takes my mind off of it.
Thanks, bub.
There’s too much pressure from multiple places (owners, fans, ticket holders, media, etc.) for QBs to come in ready without a huge need for development. I believe social media has also put more pressure on teams to get things fixed quickly. The frustration of the fans is heard more now than ever thanks to social media.
'Can't ignore the other 52' So True:
How'd those WR's look with Flacco? Routes were much cleaner and crisp! Timing was again a factor. Oline was more cohesive.
Young's rookie yr: The only highlights were from the games Dalton played and the offence looked like a unit, not a good unit but a unit.
-Some rookies need to sit, some don't, but either way running QB's get hurt and running QB's who can't throw are a waste of a pick!
Love the Paparazzi instrumental outro. Keep up the good work man.
It’s interesting . The Packers took Love over Tee Higgins and I truly believe it cost them a Super Bowl but it made them better today. So it was probably a good move but it isn’t clear cut.
Let’s be honest qb play has been the same from the start of the 21st century and has arguably gotten better, in the 21st century the superbowl winners have been comprised mostly of Brady, Manning, Big Ben and mahomes… the outliers obviously Kurt Warner, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, and Eli manning
This is exactly right. You can count on one hand the # of qbs who started right away as rookies who had a successful career, but every year we have guys proclaimed as "bust" cuz they were drafted high and started too soon.
As a chiefs fan I am counting out the the falcons because some guy in the comments said not too
Not very nice bro
Big problem too is not many colleges run a pro style offense
The Packers are literally the blueprint to create good QB’s idk how nfl teams haven’t caught on yet. Luckily some teams are finally starting to follow that same Packers plan of sitting a young QB for 1-3 years before throwing them out there
Very true. Even Favre sat in Atlanta his first year. Brady, Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, these guys all sat and look at what they've accomplished/become. The best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.
Because most teams haven’t been lucky enough to land 3 straight franchises qbs that allows young rookies to sit behind elite qbs. Its rare actually
You need a quarterback on Favre and Rodgers level to do that...That's the only way it works, most teams need a win now quarterback
@@Ryan-gz9xg Jordan Love literally sat and that’s what made him “elite”. You don’t need a HOF QB everytime to still benefit a young QB bro. Just sign a veteran QB and let to young QB sit, it ain’t rocket science
@@JAVARRIS88 nope not true. Alex Smith isn’t a HOF and they made Mahomes sit. Teams need to just sign a solid veteran QB and keep the young QB on the bench for 1-3 years. Y’all are completely overthinking it. A vet QB has experience that they can teach young QB it doesn’t matter if it’s a HOF or just a solid vet, obviously it would be even better if they had a HOF QB
-Never will understand Bryce over Stroud, it was seeing 'want' over 'reality'. Same with AR.
-Take "I believe" + "tons of potential/intangibles" + "Oh the Excitement!" OVER "I observed and measured" + "realistic NFL expectation" + "pragmatism" and most will take Reggie Bush over Mario Williams again just like the fools before.
-I was truly wrong about one player and that was Lamar and AR is/was no LJ. Why so few games at QB in his life? Running QB's get hurt! If they can't throw and can't stay healthy they don't succeed in NFL and I'm sick of seeing BU's!
-Change is constant in the NFL, but other than rule changes, those changes are all recycled! Cyclical like you said.
While everything you said is true the problem is truly a connundrum ..it’s the fault of the salary cap ..people take young QBs high because having the most expensive position performing well is arguably the best bargain in sports …it doesn’t make sense to draft a QB high a potentially waste cheapest years and easiest years to build your team because of “development “ that’s too much caring about the individual player especially since they have slotted salaries it’s not as big of a L to simply reshuffle the deck with a new high draft prospect than it is to hold on and try …the only way I see what you saying happening is A) if they make QBs not be counted against the cap or B) they allow you to negotiate a rookies salary payment again..Great video tho bro
Theres a combination of a lot of things going on. First is that I don't think the college game nor the NFL game is actually interested in developing guys as much as they are interested in creating a scheme that allows them to win now. This makes it even harder now to project who will make it in the NFL leading teams to just try and look for prospects that have rawer skills and they can develop them into star QBs. Allen is the quintessential example of this, but Mahomes, Lamar, and Goff are all examples of this as well.
ALso rookie QBs are just paid sooo much less than they were prior to Sam Bradford. I think this leads to teams reaching on QBs at higher picks than they otherwise would have during the earlier years. Because rookie QBs are cheaper, draft busts aren't as significant as they once were and if the guy doesn't work out, they'll get rid of them.
5:44 young QBs never should have been expected to change everything. They weren’t in the past, with even first rounders sitting behind a vet for a season or two. That’s what a team needs to do for prolonged success.
There’s a reason I liked the Falcons drafting Penix and it mostly has to do with what you brought up here. There are a few great qbs that came in and started out well in their rookie years, but that’s the Joe Burrows and the CJ Strouds, all of whom are exceptions, not the rule. The vast majority of qbs need some time to develop and if they can do it while sitting behind a solid veteran like Love did and how I suspect Penix will turn out, it’s all the better. Josh Allen struggled in his first year, but what if the Bills had brought in some veteran to show Josh the ropes while he sits for a year? Would Allen be even better than the top 5 qb he already is?
I guess we’ll see in a season or two when Kirk retires if this works out and if the league will start to follow suit.
Tre Lance, RG3, Zach Wilson, Johnny Football, Bryce young, the list goes on...All qbs who could've been better had they been given time to develop.
Trey Lance almost never played lol He sat and never developed
I think the development difference between O-line and D-line contributes to the QB problem. Because the O-line is not as sexy, and tends to make less money at every talent level, there is more talent on defense, because talent chases money. That means QBs need to be more mobile to remain effective behind their less talented lines. Both the QBs and lines need more coaching, and need to learn to work together as a team. If the Colts don't play like today matters, they might as well tell their veterans to make career decisions for the rest of the year. I still think that Zach Wilson's problem was mostly a Jets problem, and the fact that they are worse with Rodgers is my evidence.
I've been saying for YEARS that teams have to build their LINES FIRST for their skill players to have any shot at competing.
How many times have we seen a QB in the off-season slinging the ball around like the next coming of Pat Mahomes UNTIL he faces an NFL pass rush and then he's in deep waters? Mitigate the trenches and all else becomes infinitely more achievable.
for me its the bias the NFL has for the chiefs. I was watching redzone and they ignored every game besides the chiefs. its pathetic
NBA did the same thing with 90’s bulls
I watch Redzone every week. You are full of shit
@@gregutz4284ode right? I watch red zone every Sunday they show everything
We were ignored for years. People pay attention when you start winning.
For me it’s people complaining about the Chiefs no matter what kind of fabrications they have to make up in their mind. Lmao red zone sucks anyways just watch a full game/games
Good topic. Enjoy your analysis. But this one got really repetitive after 7 min.
I've been saying this for a minute....Most of these young QBs need to sit. MaHomes and Jackson are two of the best but even those guys sat most of their first season
AR was painful to watch at UF and is EXACTLY the same player. I’m not saying I could find a back up defensive back in the 5th. I’m saying a lot of these teams could text me about their top 10 pick and I could say “that’s dumb”
Draft a running QB they say
First thing they do is tell the QB to run less and pass more, then wonder why they aren’t as successful as they were in college.
Rushing QB’s have to also have a great arm. (Lamar, Vick, etc.)
Rbs arent a priority because
O line:can make almost any rb good. Also can protect said qb from top edge rushers
As a 20 year Colts fan I am so sick of hearing people say “well Flacco gives them the best chance to win” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 WIN WHAT?!?!?!?! 2 extra games just for the chance to MAYBE be the 7th seed and get dog walked wildcard weekend??? We’re nowhere close to contenders so what’s the point??? The goal is to win titles not participation trophies!!!
We need our QB of the future, who these idiots drafted 18 months ago KNOWING he was raw and needed reps, to develop and we need to build the team around him. The smart and big picture move is to let him play. If he sucks the whole year we get a high pick which we desperately need since our dumbass GM rarely makes any off-season moves. But since it’s becoming more and more obvious that he sucks at his job he knows his ass is on the line smfh this is ass covering 101 and that’s not how you build a champion 😒😒😒😒😒 what a shitshow
Qb and o line. Gotta keep tj watt away from your qb.
This really is nothing new. It's just back then, rookie QBs were, for the most part, sat behind a vet for a year to absorb the offense and scheme so they weren't killed their first time out. Otherwise, most rookie QBs tend to otherwise fail. Been that way since the league was founded.
Not even a falcons fan but everyone said they were soooo stupid for signing Kirk and drafting penix to sit. Seems like they were the only ones with a plan all along 🤷♀️
2015 Broncos D mentioned before the 2013 Seahawks D??? Huh??
What NFL teams is doing is fine rn but impatient media and in some cases, awful owners (paging David Tepper) give up on QB’s too quickly.
Bryce Young, it’s obvious why he’s struggled. AR’s situation is unique because I don’t think he’d be getting so much stick if it wasn’t for Flacco fans. Mac Jones may be better than he actually is because of the multiple awful OC’s.
For the algorithm.
Keep the "it's not even close". It's your catchphrase
Bears vs Commanders about to be the new Chiefs vs Bills for years to come
It already is kinda similar, caleb left what we thought was no time for jayden to go down the field and score but he somehow did, similar to mahomes leading a 13 second drive
2013 Seahawks defense>
Yeah. But the offense was still top 10. Especially in the run game.
Yeah, the 3 defenses he said were legendary because they had the burden of carrying terrible offenses to a Super Bowl victory.
@@SmileyBoi21the LOB was better than the no fly zone.
@@bellman4336 that doesnt disprove what he said though. lob had a good offense, the other 3 carried stinkers to a chip
@@bellman4336 That's a debatable topic but I'm referring to the No Fly Zone like the 2000 Ravens and 85 Bears being one of the great defenses to carry a garbage offense to win a Super Bowl. The Seahawks had a capable offense so that's why they didn't mention them in the video.
As a raiders fan this is the last thing I want to hear. What do you mean we can’t draft a good QB and have all our problems solved?? /s
Bryce young not being able to see over the line and see the defense hurts his oline.
Qbs have to get rid of the ball.
This applies to lamar jackson too.
My biggest issues are one, Bryce young looks scared out there at times, and he'll let that fear flush him out of the pocket. In the NFL, If you cant stand in the pocket and throw knowing you'll take a hit, you're probably done for as a prospect. Second problem is his overall size. He's not extremely short or extremely skinny, but his frame is Little. I dont see him adding any significant weight without sacrificing his athleticism. I would love to see him get another shot with a better organization, but it may be too late for that. His confidence could be shot already.
The NFL should go back to a more patient approach with quarterbacks but after what I just saw with Drake Maye, the media and fans that would not shut up about getting him on the field even though they're going nowhere this season and everybody knows it. I can't see them going back to giving these guys time..
Out of all the rookies Penix is the only one to not start a game. I think it’s the media and FO not being committed and short term.
No point in sitting him Maye right now, us going nowhere gives us the perfect reason to start him, we already have nothing to lose, he’s only going to develop quicker this way and it’s clearly working, he’s looked great in the 2.5 games he’s played
Because CJ and daniels came in back 2 back years and purdy the year before, i dont think teams will want to sit their rookie qbs
Everybody owes the Atlanta Falcons an apology
Lack of QB development is simply a symptom of the real problem....no long term thinking in the NFL. Problem? Get someone new in there.... No immediate success, time for someone new. From GM all the way down.
on the Bryce highlights you can see his line is literally not blocking, 72 let the edge rusher straight in to block air..
its hard to watch the packers hit on it twice in a row after favre and not see value in letting a young QB sit.
Jameis Winston MVP confirmed, thanks FA.
I always wonder what if the Colts had drafted Bryce Young and not taken AR. i know its a hot take, but with the current talent the Colts have on offense it fits any QB that can throw the darn ball instead of AR's style of play. Colts didn't need a project QB imo, but AR is still on his rookie contract so anything can happen.
Everyone is praying for that star on that rookie deal so they have cap space for other stars (like Purdy and niners going to last superbowl)
The Colts should bring a Tight End to help Flacco and eventually help Richardson the receivers had dropped too much balls even if he needs to fix his flaws having a great target on the position that desperately needs a big time player since Dallas Clark will help in his development being faster and easy.
The panthers are so far from being a functioning franchise that by the time Bryce would be figuring it out, they would have to pay him $50+ million a year and wouldn’t be able to maintain anything they did build around him because of cap space.
People need to fucking stop with CJ had a bad situation they drafted and rebuilt perfectly around him, good defense good offense line and weapons on offense
Now with the new generation aka 2018 qb draft class plus There are many qbs that are good
but also the for my colts, I think the fans and the owner have too high standards this season. They think we can win a super bowl right now when in reality we just need to be fringe team at best. Let AR learn, we aren't wasting anyone's time we need to be patient
The thing about Bryce Young tho is the Panthers this off-season did everything they could to get the most out of Bryce Young, got him a o line, running good, WRs are better, yet he looks worse than last year. I'm leaning towards its more him than the Panthers despite the fact they did him no favors year 1.
I get what you're saying but wouldn't that mean that Andy dalton who might not be a world beater but is a starting caliber qb, can't g e t anything done with this panthers team?
The lions have been rebuilding from the ground up...for the last 95 years
ah dang, making fun of the Falcons for drafting Penix is really gonna come back to haunt me isn't it
I didn't think it was a bad pick because it was a QB, I thought it was a bad pick because 1) they badly needed defensive linemen and 2) picking Penix specifically didn't make a whole lot of sense considering how much experience he had at the college level
Babe football analysis just dropped a new video hurry
I mean, which is it, then? You said Richardson needs reps because he’s so raw and inexperienced, but then you pivot and bring up Love and say the colts would’ve ruined him because… they would’ve given the raw qb reps?
why don't teams run the triple option in the nfl?
Now with the deonte Johnson trade Carolina tried to get a third for him for weeks now if they don't trade him they're going to lose him and free agency for absolutely nothing so they basically had to just get what they could get when they could get it for deonte Johnson
I'm sorry, but in both the title and often in the video, you say the NFL is going to change how they develop QBs, but you don't give details. The CBA penalizes teams for sitting young QBs, so I don't expect a rash of QB redshirts without changes there.
I guarantee you in 5 years that teams will still start most 1st round QBs in their rookie year, and have the same 40%-ish success rate. Sitting QBs doesnt always work either (Trey Lance, JP Losman, Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, etc, etc)
…or a 2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense
As a Falcons fan, you can’t count us out as contender, even though our pass rush is nonexistent.
Richardson was put into a pretty good situation he’s just not good
So sick of all these guys glazing Richardson, dude is straight up ass, cut your losses and move on ffs.
Almost like Brady tried to warn us
7:11 lions are not so elite after hutch.
If the chiefs repeat I will shave my head…
16:42 "food taken out" of the multimillionaire's mouth really needs to be a statement removed from your vocabulary.
That's what got you upset? What are you some kinda commie?
nothing in the NFL will change they have their darling Mahomes that all that matters
Chiefs are the standard
To be fair, I don't care if your Tom Brady, your not fixing there Pathets until he who owns them, who shall not be named, is no longer the owner. That guy... Just can not make good decisions at all.
Baker mayfield was there and he couldn't do anything there either.
lol it’s for the rest of the year 🤣
The lions are an incredibly overrated team. Of they don't fogure out what a defense is they aren't getting out of the 1st round
the league needs to start covering the panthers more, just cause we play at the level of a jv high school team doesn't mean we deserve to get ignored!
Nothing will change in the era of some of the dumbest god damn owners in NFL history meddling at every level
Fucking facts
For all his faults, and there are many, at least Stan Kroenke let his front office manage the team and ended up with two Super Bowl appearances and a ring for his trouble
I agree. Mostly because these teams with bad ownerships are going to dominate the top picks. Teams like the jets and panthers are going to consistently draft in the upper 5-10 picks (if not 1-3) because they just keep throwing Hail Marys and praying they get their savior while giving away all the draft capital, or having exceptionally bad teams due to the front office sucking or bad coaching (or both in some cases) and then selling them off or breaking them before they even have a fair chance and repeating the process. We currently have 2 former QB’s drafted by the jets having mostly successful revivals once they got away from the franchise. I honestly expect this trend to continue.
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