Polishing A Rusty AXE
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Wranglerstar try giving it an electro bath
Wranglerstar It's $6 at Walmart too... I wonder if that works the same?
Wranglerstar i have a lot of those stanley's at home..i have 5, but i don't use them..had to "edit",cuz i went to count😂
Wranglerstar ... i loved this vid... its like it opened up a new world to all my old tools and maybe some part cleaning. I happened to come across some vids about electrolysis rust removal too... its almost free, definatly worth checking out
$6 per quart
Use the vinegar for the first bath and Evapo-rust for the second bath. Evaporust costs a lot more than vinegar and will only remove so much rust before it should be thrown away. Use the cheap vinegar to do most of the work. Also, Warm vinegar and salt works well at cleaning corrosion from electrical connections. Only a few minutes are necessary. You might want to neutralize it with baking soda afterwards.
That's a great idea
berserk7111 Smart.
berserk7111 White vinegar or malt vinegar (brown) ??
I've only used white.
Some people use apple cider vinegar, but chemically they are all the same and white vinegar is very inexpensive compared to fancier vinegars.
Dear Cody, the reddish material remaining on the parts placed in the distilled (white) vinegar may be rust, if the reaction is incomplete ... but it also may be the product of the reaction between the vinegar (Acetic Acid) and the rust (Iron Oxide), Ferric Acetate. This precipitate is easily removed from the components, unlike the rust which is 'tightly' bonded to the underlying 'parent' material. GB
Something I found out the other month doing this for the first time. If you are planning on using whie vinegar to get rid of rust make sure to wash in a basic solution afterwards, nothing to extreme, just mix some baking soda with water and rinse/scrub. This will help prevent flash rusting on the fresh metal surfaces before applying protective oils later when you can get around to finishing it up, cheers for the great video!
Can you please do an update on that snag tree you made years ago? I was wondering if it is at the point where it's full of bugs and the birds know it as a good feeding sight. And do you think it has benefited the health of the forest around it?
Brendan Stanford
That a good ? What did ever happen to that tree Mr. W
Brendan Stanford yes!
I think that means no.
Started watching your videos a couple years ago to learn how to restore and maintain tools. Then I started watching your Wildland firefighting videos, and now I just finished my first season working as a Wildland Firefighter for the Forest Service. I'm starting to think you might have brainwashed me. Thank you and keep those videos coming man, they're great!
I agree with you, Tony. His videos are just like Frosted Flakes cereal.
I use Evaporust a lot and I love how it works. Get several uses of it as well, so long as you pour it back into a bottle. I think you can order it in large buckets and even get a basket that you can dip down into it. Looking forward to watching your future restoration videos. Cheers!
“I guess the only thing you can have too much of is salt...”
“And cancer”
And taxes
@@ericwiedenhoft184 and genital warts...
I should be editing video right now, but I've fallen down the Wranglerstar rabbit hole. Pulled in by the Prandi Axe video and now I'm 7 or 8 videos deep. I've been watching for a few months now (not quite binging like this), but I figured I always appreciate hearing positive things about my work and I really just can't pull myself away. Your quick monologue at the end of "THIS AXE IS INSANE!!" made my evening. Beautiful scene and some genuine emotion from a man's man. Good on ya. Trying not to buy every Prandi Axe available. I did already order some Evapo-Rust though. Excited to drop a couple of my vintage Collins hatchet and axe heads into it. Thank you for your content.
It is quite a rabbit hole. I'm in there too.
Recovering from an operation and I'm in deep with the Axe videos! Help
Didn’t expect to see you here
Yes, it happens ...... :)
@@BrianWood I've been down this rabbit hole many times over the years, it's pretty entertaining, in like a woodworking tv show you watch on public tc kinda way
It does work.
Another hand tool junkie here. Discovered Evaporust this past summer. I’ve manually scraped and sanded, used vinegar and had an electrolysis set up before I tried Evaporust.
I want to take walks on the beach with Evaporust, long hot showers, stare deeply and longingly into its eyes and profess my undying love and affection. A quick wash with a degreaser, like Simple Green, and a clean water rinse. Then an overnight in Evaporust. Another rinse and then dry and oil. It will flash rust after the rinse, so a thorough drying with an air compressor or heat gun helps. Saves hours of work. Great product.
I think the vinegar should sit longer because it was bubbling like.
Alan Heemer Yeah, vinegar will work just as well, and is much, much cheaper than the other stuff. It just takes a bit longer.
I personally also love the smell of vinegar lol.
$19/gallon vs $1/gallon.
and vinegar is biodegradable.
EVAPO-RUST is also biodegradable.
vinger will eat the metel and paint. evapo wont
Acetic acid (vinegar) is a corrosive agent that attacks the steel. It does not attack the iron oxide. It appears to remove rust but what is really doing is attacking the metal the rust is attached to. That is why looks like is removing the rust. If you keep the steel long enough it will eventually dissolve completely.
It is extremely important to neutralize the acid with a base. Mix baking soda in water and wash the tools with that water. This will neutralize the vinegar and will stop the corrosion process.
Release the schmooo!
phone dude, I couldn't help but think "focus you fack!" during parts of this video.
"GENTLEMEN! Welcome back to the shop."
phone dude keep the stick on the ice
That Evapo Rust is a skookum choocher
Mike Untstinks haha my thoughts exactly
I use a 5 gallon bucket, scrap piece of steel, washing soda, water and a battery charger. Easy electrolysis setup.
You should also add and electric current 6-12vdc to your rust removal media for much better results. Just add a sacrificial anode wit plus attached and negative to the part to be cleaned. Any slightly conductive media will work. Salt water, washing soda, etc. will work. Just wash the part and apply oil after.
Electrolysis also won't remove the protective patina or give it that pickled look.
Years ago i send to you a way to get losse of rust on any steel object! It is cleaning vinnegar about 7% and you have to put your piece in a tray filled with vinnegar and put alu foil pieces above it and after a few days you can scrub it with a hard brush and repeat it again! Clean it when rust is gone with water and put oil on it, i used it on a old rifle!!! From a Dutchman!!
Add a little bit of dishsoap to your vinegar. It acts as a surfactant to lift the rust off.
xng14 dish soap is a base vinegar is an acid that would just neutralize it you can use dish soap after to stop the reaction
I just wanna say I found an old axe held in my father's shed that I'm sure was my mother's father's axe and between this video and another where you removed the old handle by drilling it out with Jack, you've given me a great project for the winter and I'm thankful for the knowledge you've bestowed upon me! Thanks a lot Mr.Wranglerstar!
I've only recently found out about evaporust from a machinist that I follow on another channel but I found it very satisfactory as you did. Plus, it is reuseable. Many of my mechanics tools were rusty beyond description before I found out about it. Not anymore. Get it from my autoparts store, very useful for rusty gas tanks.
Remember to rinse the steel with a baking soda and water solution to de-acidify the vinegar on the blade also the more acidic the vinegar the better it will work. I'm definitely going to try the Evaporust, that looks a little easier than the vinegar method I've been using.
I love to watch videos from that beautiful shop, but, then again, anything from Wranglerstar is good.
I do enjoy the Bible discussions, and learn a lot from them.
3,5lbs and thats propably 15kgs... -wranglerstar 2017
His world consists of the United states of america, so he hasn't heard of metric system apparently.
Since I studied chemistry I like this approach: vinegar + sodium (bi)carbonate bath, put the axe head in the bath with some copper wire (normal steel wire worked as well) through the eye to suspend it. Some people like to make sure it has good contact between fresh steel and conducting wire but I've had just as good results without caring. Hook it up to the black terminal of a 12V battery charger, hook a piece of sacrificial steel up to the red terminal and put in in the bath with it. Immediately you will see an armada of bubbles rising up and within 20-30 minutes the bath will have turned orange. Usually I leave it on for 12 hours before it gets too hot and the foam takes too long to disappear, then turn it off for the night to leave it in for a good soak. The day after all the ferric (III) oxide will have turned into ferrous (II) oxide which is black and doesn't adhere to the steel anywhere near as good. Just rinse it off under a tap with some steel wire, scotch brite pads or a soft brass brush.
And also because Evaporust is kinda pricey over here.
Cody, I can't be the only one that wants to see the inside of the zerex can after it's had the evaporust in it
I've never used vinegar but I have used evapo rust for a few years now. As far as I've found, northern tool has it cheapest in 5 gallon form if you can ship it to the store and pick it up. Usually around $76 for 5 gallons. Some words of advice about evapo rust. Check your tools as they sit in the chemical. I've had them form a black oxide if left in too long. Then require some sanding or wire brushing to remove the black oxide. Second, they say you can reuse the same stuff but don't put it back in the container of clean evapo rust. The rust sediment and contamination makes the chemical loss it's power a lot faster. We found that out just opening the 5 gallon bucket and soaking all we could fit. It turned the whole bucket black and it then hardly worked like new stuff. Great video.
This is the most satisfying video ever!
I want a video of you just sinking anything rusty that you can find in that liquid and wash off the rust LOL
Cody, I've been using Evapo-Rust for a few years now. I restore a lot of gun and automotive parts. The best thing about it is that you can re-use it over and over. Don't throw it out. It will get darker but it keeps working for a long time.
The gas that was evolving from the plane in white vinegar was hydrogen gas, which showed that the vinegar, i.e dilute acetic acid, was attacking the uncorroded metal of the plane and axe. When iron oxide is dissolved in an acid no gas is produced. So the acid has disolved the rust and also attacked the metal, probably producing slight pitting of the surface. I would not use vinegar to remove rust from any tools you redard as precious. After an exposure to vinegar you need to neutralize any remaining acid with a dip in a mildly alkaline solution such as baking soda in water, then thoroughly wash with clean water. I would think that after a few days left in the air the tools from the Evaporust will still look good, while those from the vinegar will tarnish.
The anions in a alkaline solution will immediately begin to rust the material. I would say you are better off using an organic cleaning solvent and then oil.
I listened to you wranglerstar . I bought a lansky stone . Best investment ever , I've never seen my axe rip through wood like this ! Thanks !
See you used 5% vinegar you should have used stronger as 35%.
As the effect becomes something completely different.
And the price of vinegar is certainly cheaper an evapo I want to believe
Vinegar is about $1-2 per gallon. The Evaporust is about $17-$20 per gallon. The only downside to vinegar is that it will etch and eat away at the metal. We're talking tiny amounts though unless you leave stuff in there for a long time.
I have used Evaporust for restoring old pliers many times because it does leave original paint and molded grips alone. Vinegar is by far cheaper but I find does take a bit of "wiping off and resubmerging" about every 6 hours for maximum effectiveness. I like evaporust on gun parts too as it is not so hazardous as other rust removers. Made in USA is also a plus for me.
Pretty significant cost difference between vinegar and evapo-rust
William Hill you can also reduce the vinegar down to concentrate the acetic acid in the vinegar, that'll be one advantage of the expensive stuff
Vinegar that's what I use text about half a gallon dump it two days later then put the other half a gallon in process for a good job 5 days in all soaking and cleaner does a good job,on my Axe Heads.
Common white vinegar is around 5%, anything above 10% is corrosive to skin, 20% is available for weed control. 20% runs $30-40 gal.
I've only used the regular stuff - 36-48 hrs does a great job unless its badly pitted.
vinger will eat throw paint and take some metel off unlike evapo plus you can use it over and over. cheap tools yea use vinger
David Howard does good for me and I got expensive Axe Heads I'm sure the other product work good to you I'll have to get a jug and try it
Thank you so much for turning me on to evapo rust just used my first gallon and it work like a charm. Keep up the great content and have a wonderful day.
I wanted to see the inside of grand-dads dupont can after that.
it will contain a hidden message left by grand-dad: "finally you discovered evaporust, took ya long enough"
Me too.
I have used the vinegar before, but I had found better results with heating it up on a hotplate for 10-15 minutes , but not hot enough to boil, and let sit overnight. They turned out great, keep up the great work !!
dont forget to neutralize the vinegar to prevent further damage
Vinegar is waaay slower, eats away at the metal, and it'll rust easier later on as it doesn't get in pitting. I recommend Evapo-rust anyday. Usually only needs 6 hours max, literally all pitting from rust is CLEANED OUT. Leaves everything (as you couldn't see the paint) and has all the benefits on the bottle.
Oh, forgot to mention. YOU CAN REUSE THE STUFF FOR YEARS.
Hi cody! That stuff works great for removing rust. I like the comparison of a $20 rust remover and $4 vinegar. The tools will clean up nice with a wire wheel. BTW that would be a Hults Bruk axe not a Gransfors Bruks axe. Can't wait to see you finish restoring them!
Hay you sound like you know axes , I have a question i have an old axe double bladed with W and 48 under it and on the other side what looks like 2 fangs , any idea who made it ?..?
@@anthonyjacinto2622 im probably late to the party but i think its a warren axe
Cody, when using the EvapoRust, you want to fully submerge the item you're trying to clean. You will most likely end up with a noticeable line when you try to double dip. You make great videos, thanks!
You should try electrolysis.
Great stuff. Don't ever lose your magnanimous enthusiasm, America. Don't become encumbered with cynicism like the modern English. Wish I lived there. Thank goodness we got to North America first so that we can enjoy these great videos. Thank you!
If I'd have known you were missing the Bailey #4 I would have happily sent you one. I just passed on buying one this weekend since I already have 2 Baileys
Allen LastName what is a Stanley and what does it do
I've been using vinegar for years, never had a problem. I just keep a tub of water with baking soda dissolved in it to neutralize the vinegar after I take the metal out. It helps prevent flash rust and stops the reaction. I then dry the metal thoroughly with a dry shop towel and go to work. I may try the Evapo-rust just for giggles, but the vinegar is cheap and I could care less about the smell.
Looks like a great product but over here in the UK, it's 10 times dearer than the distilled white vinegar.
is venison dear to?
I've been using Vinegar for years. Even cleaned up an Olds Rocket V8 that looked like a ball of hate and rust after sitting behind a barn for years. Threw it in a trough and then filled it with the cheapest vinegar we could find. Came back and except for a little pitting it looked almost brand new off the machine line. Obviously it had to be machined internally, but it made cleanup to get it broken down MUCH easier.
How does the inside of the can look.
+Wranglerstar , You can reduce the amount of liquid rust remover required to a very small amount by putting the item in a bag with the liquid rust remover and then leaving your bagged tool to sit in a container of water. The water pressure should very evenly disperse the liquid rust remover along the surfaces of any item without voids. The only problem is that it squeezes it so thin that it occasionally will not complete the reaction before becoming locally inert, but there is an easy solution! Simply pick the bag and item up out of the water and all the liquid rust remover will fall to the bottom and self agitate, then you can return it to the container of water to finish reacting.
Have you tried electrolysis yet? Works really well, too
I have used both products many times and your results seem to be identical to mine. I found out that 12- 24 hrs with the evaporust and 2 and even up to 3 days with the vineger . If you left the vinger work a little longer it would look the same as the evaporust plus the evaporust is expensive but can be used several times. so both work equally well just depends on what works for you in both time and of course money.
The vinegar was fizzing, but the Evaporust gave you the fizz
Loved the video. Been using vinegar for years to remove rust, but the Evaporust looks pretty good as well. I guess the cost factor is the big determinate. Also, the focus on your camera wasn't might need a bit of tweeking.
Evaporust is faster, but vinegar costs 1/5 as much.
I use hydrochloric acid to strip rust off old tools. takes just a couple of minutes. I use boiling vinegar to blacken steel.
Rusto Evaporatum!
I was told that the "Wranglerstar Book of Spells" was coming out in September and it will be released a page at a time with every other page featuring a "best, cheapest" potion, charm, or amulet. So I guess you, like the rest of us, will have to wait.
I worked on a Stanley No. 8 planer with a similar break in the rose wood handle. I just put wood glue on the break and screwed it onto the plane. I then took of the handle and removed the excess glue. It worked out perfectly. Good luck!
That white vinegar is only 5%. Use stronger like 30% or higher.
I have found that if you add salt using the ratio of (1tablespoon to 1cup of vinegar) it works a lot more effective and quicker, its something to do with increasing the acidity of the vinegar. Also a tip is after you have removed the rust with whatever you use, wash it with bi carb soda to neutralize it . Love the videos !
Naval jelly is the best. Made by Locktite
If you carefully dry your belly after you shower your navel won't rust. :-)
William Brewer I've tried naval jelly several times and it did nothing but waste money and make a mess
I am neither a handyman, nor do I do any handywork, but still I realy enjoy watching your videos.
When your phone went off I thought it was mine and I was quite confused.
If you want something even better and faster, look up electrolysis bath. Plastic tub, some washing soda, a spare piece of metal and a battery charger is all you need.
electrolysis
Pleased to see you have discovered the fantastic Evaporust! The big advantage over the white vinegar is that you could leave something in there for a week and it will only remove the rust, it will not eat away the good metal. The vinegar being an acid will also eat away the good metal over time. Try using it with discoloured stainless steel, it comes out like new!
Interesting video as always, but please, as a swede I cant stand the way Americans pronounce gränsfors bruks and husqvarna. You pronounce it as brucks when its supposed to be bruuks(exaggeration) and husqvarna is pronounced as huus-kvarna, not husq-quvarna. Sorry for nitpicking, I just want to help people improve their language fluidity! Sincerely a drunken swede.
Johan Gunnarsson so say it as if it was spelled brooks?
We do what we want in murica
Our pronunciation isn't wrong, just different from yours.
Why everyone try to correct us with pronunciations when we are forced to tolerate mispronunciations of our words. Just sayin’
For those who are wondering why this works, here is why: Weak acids (like the vinegar) can dissolve and loosen rust, the rust that is removed forms a salt that is soluble. Vinegar can also replace the rust with a thin film on the surface to help resist further rusting, and that is why the vinegar soaked tools are not as shiny as the ones that were in the evapo-rust. Other acids like coca cola and even lemon juice are other ways to remove rust.
While I might try the commercial product on tools, I'll always go to the vinegar for cast iron that will have contact with food. Wouldn't want my scrambled eggs tasting like chemicals or even exposed to them.
Enjoyed the comparison video.
Lonely Prepper Homestead have you tried using molasses diluted with water?
TREVOR MCCLURKIN ... Nope ... Have never tried that. Comparable to vinegar?
U should test the cheapest chainsaw on amazon plz. Like this so he will c it
I've always been avoiding this video but I was totally wrong.
This video is very useful because I'm also restoring a axe.
Have you ever tried coca cola for rust?
Marc Reinecker oh ok
Works amazing on Battery terminals. I think I used Diet Coke tho.
I recently did a test between distilled malt vinegar, apple cider vinegar, coke and bleach. Malt vinegar was most aggressive, apple cider next, bleach worked a bit and coke did almost nothing - this was after a day and then also after a week left in the liquids. I tried them covered and open to air too - malt vinegar really ate into the metal actually. Was an interesting experiment
Wow! Great product! I have about 20 H. Diston handsaws waiting to be restored. Now I can't wait to get to it. I also have a one man 5 and a half footer for falling and bucking that will go great with them. Thanks!
Now all you need to do is go out and get yourself some of those disposable aluminum foil turkey roasting pans so you can submerge the entire tool.
Nice thing about the vinegar is that it puts on a patina that will help to prevent rust in the future as well. I use it on the knives I make to force a patina to lower the maintenance requirements of the end user. Upon request, of course.
Evaporust is also available at Horrible Freight too. But hell I'll probably get some and keep the vinegar for pickles and drinking.
you can soak your cast iron pots and pans in vinegar for a couple hours then use a scrub pad on em before ya remove em from the soak to get all the gunk off, then rinse in clean water, some say soapy water, before re-seasoning em. Vinegar will etch the metal if left to soak too long but ive soaked a couple of old dutch ovens that were rusted beyond belief for a couple days and had no issues. They came out looking like they came off the factory floor brand new unseasoned.
For best results make saturated solution of vinegar and salt. You do it by slowly adding salt until it stops dissolving. It's good for situations when it isn't just rust, when you have other stuff like grease.
Word of advice. It's best if the object in question is completely submerged. Sometimes it's bubbling and it makes things worse above the "water" line.
evapo-rust also works wonders on old carburetors that a gummed up.
You can still get rosewood at lumber supply stores. I have also been doing a no.4 Bailey plane restoration and I went and purchased some Caribbean Rosewood to keep the originality.
THANK YOU! I was aware of both of these methods but hadn't gotten around to trying them. I'm sold on the Evapro-Rust now. Really enjoy the channel. Thanks again.
I've been using Evaporust for years and it ROCKS! One caveat, put something (oil, paint, primer, etc.) on the metal right away because it will start to rust from moisture in the air right away.
Also, Evaporust supposedly has an expiration, haven't had a problem with that, only losing effectiveness from over use.
Also, also, Evaporust does not efect wood any more than water.
I've been doing the electrolysis method (tablespoon of baking soda to each gallon of water), and that has been unbelievably effective. It's also really cool to see
ahoy,
got this from an old US Civil War soldiers journal,
and it works great:
1 part molasses to 8 parts water,
mix it up and let the rusty item hang in the solution.
I've been doing it for years, currently have a 55 gallon barrel of the molasses solution, right now it has a half dozen Griswold frying pans it in it. a month ago it was a pile of 1920 Harley parts,
it works
fair winds
Salty
As an aircraft structures technician who grinds away corrosion daily I was prepared to scoff at this video but I gotta say I’m shocked! That’s amazing!
I would presume he had Ballistol or some other oil protection on that little Stanley tool he dropped into the cleaner. If so, it first would need to be stripped of any oil or wax as those will negate the vinegar and I'm sure the Evaporust stuff. A brass brush is good to scrub with under running water (yes water), once cleaned good with the brush, I dunk in a bath of baking soda THEN, when coming out of the baking soda, I use a hi output blower to get rid of the water, then rub down or pour denatured alcohol over the tool to evaporate any hiding wet spots, then immediately do a oil or wax rust prevention on the item.
Cody! I have been watching your channel because I inherited my grandfather's tools. Man I put in some man hours to get them looking good. Never again with the wire brush lol
Use vinegar and salt as an electrolytic solution. I'm sure you have a 6 volt battery around. Put the piece you want cleaned in the solution with a wire to the negative terminal, and a piece of scrap in the solution connected to the positive.
You'll be amazed at how well it works . Makes chrome look brand new.
From what I have read on using Vinegar, if you put salt in the vinegar and let it remove the rust, the added salt will prevent the steel from rusting again
I restored some rusty tools with reverse electroplating. I used 16 penny nails as a waste anode, ran a 6 volt lantern battery, through a water bath with baking soda in it. It pulled the rust off the tool and rusted the nail. It was slow, but fun.
you should get a screen for the camera so you know when it's in focus
I think the Evapo-rust was doing a better job at not damaging the axe.
You were right about a darkening and pitting of the vinegar soaked steel, the dark colour is micro pits taking away a smooth surface light reflects off. Vinegar is mostly water, which oxidizes, and the Acetic acid actually speeds up the corrosion of the steel.
Even on larger tools/projects you can wrap paper towel (dampened with the rust remover) around them, spray them until drenched with your rust remover, and then wrap in saran-wrap.
I use white vinegar for tons of things. My favorite is killing mold in wood. Sometimes I use lemon juice or ketchup to clear the rust off of things.
The vinegar will leave a darker tint to the metal. Evaporust can be used several times before it has to be thrown out. I've used it and electrolysis exclusively for a couple years
Nice job showing the super low cost option too.
Hi Wranglerstar,
The double bit axe you put in the evapo-rust is an HB --> HultaBruks. I have an old army axe (american felling axe model) use by the dutch army. HultaBruks were hand made in Sweden since 1697, same time stradivarius made is violins ;-)
Cheers! Martijn from the Netherlands.
p.s. consider the french Opinel knives. The are sharp as ...., durable, utterly simple, and cheap! And you can modify the knives easily
blackstrap molasses I the only thing I will ever use to remove rust from valuables. it attacks the rust only and not the metal. mix it 4:1 water to molasses and let it sit. you can let it sit as long as you would like because it will never hurt the metal.
I swear by Evaporust. It works best warm never in the cold in my experience. Have used a fish tank pump on larger objects to treat in a large pan. Also you can soak large towels of the stuff on metal too. Can use it over again I usually filter it into another bottle.
The advantage of White Vinegar is that it is exceptionally cheap while being as effective as many expensive brand rust removers.
The downside is that you do want to put it in a container or a well ventilated area because it is of course vinegar so will have a strong odor to it.
Wranglerstar, use the leftover vinegar (after being used to de-rust something) as a stain for wood. After the vinegar/rust combo dries Finish with BLO and you will have an amazing finish! I've done it with excellent results
interesting. thank you for the tip
Wranglerstar, no problem! The stain will be darker the longer you keep rusty material in the vinegar.
The vinegar is a acid, and it needs to be naturalized and the metal oiled as soon as possible. been there done that. I use a 50/50 water vinegar mix to clean rusty gas tanks, I let them soak, rise them out with baking soda water, blow dry them with shop vac, and the rise them with a little diesel.
I have an old cast iron skillet and when it gets rusty on the bottom, I warm it on the stove apply about a teaspoon of vegetable oil, wipe with a paper towel and place the skillet upside down in a cold oven. A rusty outdoor tool could be warmed and treated with beeswax or vegetable oil and kept in a shed. But, if I clean an indoor tool and want to protect it, then warm it and apply beeswax or 3-in-1 oil. I'm not going to fuss with a patina of rust, I'll treat it and store the tool. It should be done on scheduled maintenance.
Try Hammerite rust remover dip. Safe on paint. Strips gun blue right off though.