As a young teenager in the early or mid-1970's I stumbled upon a stack of old Reader's Digests from 19599-1961, and I remember reading in one of the issues the story of Bormann's escape to Paraguay and his death in 1959. Seems to have been rather common knowledge at the time. I also remember the cock and bull story of his remains being found featured on the CBS Evening News with Uncle Walter. The question of the Paraguay soil came up at the time (1972). Glad you have revisited the whole story, it wrapped up several untidy lose ends that have been nagging at my mind for half a century. My compliments on the stellar historical work you produce on your excellent channel.
I was a teen in the 70's too and recall the the fact that it seemed to be common knowledge then regarding the fact that Bormann escaped to Paraguay, Again when his skull was "Found" I also recall the debate concerning the red soil. I certainly recall my Father commenting that it was all a cover up.
My father immigrated to Chicago from Germany years after the war. Interstate 94 that runs south of the city was called the Borman expressway after Frank Borman. My father always referred to it as the Martin Bormann expressway when I was a child. It it wasn't till years later that I found out my father really did have a sense of humor.
Mark, this has been a very interesting series on Bormann . I remember first hearing of Martin Bormann when I was 8 years old on holiday in the summer of 1965 at a guest house on the Isle of White. For at least two days a new sighting of Bormann was being discussed by my parents and other adults in the guest house. It was of great interest to them but they found it amusing that he kept being seen in so many places over the years since the war.
Your videos are far better than anything I have ever come across in the decades of watching The History Channel! I certainly hope you keep making these for a very long time!
I'm commenting for the algorithm boost, but to be honest, I'm waiting until I KNOW the series has been completed so that I can watch all the episodes one night in a massive Bormann binge. Such is the quality of this series in specific and the Mark Felton history juggernaut in general.
Thank you, Dr. Felton. I recall the story 50 years ago about Bormann's skull being found in West Berlin. I've studied WW2 since the 60's, and I've learned so much from your videos.
Excellent series. As friends of mine in the intelligence community, familiar with German Intelligence apparatus in the post-war through the early 60 eras, always maintained that there was an active government wide "conspiracy" to deny the Nazi past. You make a strong point about how there was a strong presence of former Nazis in the West German government, who were very interested in discouraging further interest in pursuing fugitive Nazis.
The CIA didn't want their role in the expatriation of Nazis remembered either. Like now, any enemy of the Russians was a friend no matter how many crimes they'd committed.
Finding qualified german people for diplomatic positions after WW2, who hadn't been either in the nazi party or had worked for the nazi regime, might have been quite difficult.
@@nancymilawski1048 well, consider that generally for high ranking diplomats theres a preference or requirement for 'experience', which is intrinsically a proxy for age. So even those who might have been young low ranking staffers or functionaries in the war/late war/early post-war years would have been mentored by the 'experienced and qualified' high ranking nsdp members. So you kind of have a 'fruit of the poisoned tree' problem. Ideally youd want people born post 45 or 50, raised and educated in the de-nazified german state and schools to take their place, which almost by necessity means they'd have to be over 30 years old by that time, which puts you into the 70s and 80s for the fresh crop of untainted diplomatic corps. Though I agree in principle, it might have been better for the whole lot to have been denied ability to serve in diplomatic and higher government state function, at least from an ethical and justice perspective. But government's a messy business because of politics and the informal system of patronage and loyalty, not to mention the international politics of the cold war which saw the US turn a blind eye to many persons with unsavory pasts and presents if they felt it helped the current goal of competing with the soviet Union and containing the spread of communism. Though it does not justify it, we must remember that the grand goal st this time for the US and western allies was anti-communism, and the people who would have been both the most experienced and effective diplomats but also the most staunchly anti-communist would have been the former nsdp members of the former Nazi German state.
That and one would assume that in those career paths, even the lowest clerk would have almost been forced into joining the party out of obligation and career versus ideology. I mean any government job by 1945 would have probably counted party membership as an unofficial de facto requirement. If not an actual one for all I know. Great video is always Mark
@@lonewulf44 yes they were all just innocent bystanders… don’t make excuses for people who had a choice. The fact that that choice was most probably accompanied by some form of punishment or lack of promotion doesn’t make it any less of a free choice! There are no INNOCENT people in the Nazi machine!
It's so convenient to make the story as they want it to fit. Very nice to see it dissected to what makes sense in a real world. Very cool series, many thanks for creating.
In South America Bormann was known as Juan Keller. He had a child with one of his housekeepers and adopted her &saw her until she turned 13 at which point the daughter never saw him again. She was interviewed (I have seen the interview) and confirmed that her father was in fact Martin Bormann.
I just watched that.Very interesting but one major,glaring error.The daughter says after Adolf Eichman was captured her father became worried.If Bormann died in 58 he wouldn't have known of Eichman's capture which was in 60 was it not?
My wife is from Paraguay she is German and Castillian Spanish and lived in La Colonia. I have been to paraguay in search of J Mengele and have gotten an earful on both JM and MB.
This series on Bormann has been really fascinating. Thanks for your continued great work! Just a side note, the picture at 2:03 that you label as the "Lehrter Station" in Berlin is actually a picture of the Anhalter Station in Berlin. I can understand the mix up as they have similar layouts.
This series is so well researched & filled with facts. I would recommend any of Mark Felton other videos as they are of the same caliber. Thank you Dr. Felton this has been quite a ride!
Mark, just a note of thanks for your truly remarkable work. As a 67yr. old Jew from Long Island New York a suburb of Manhattan I was keenly aware of what Nazi's were and where they were on Long Island and the New York area. One of the families that lived in my neighborhood were German and the father was a POW and a baker who owned a local bakery with his wife. I've always been fascinated with this dark era of human history.
My dad went to Belsen on a trip with the "AED Army education department " in the 1950s while serving in the British Army,,, he told me it was the most frightening place he'd ever visited,,, evil hang in the air and even the birds didn't sing as they knew it was a place of evil ... then he left the army and met my mother ( a Jew ) less we forget ....
There is another option. Bormann made it out and subsequently died of cancer as already stated. But he did not want to be buried in a foreign land under a false name. He wanted his remains brought back and buried in Germany with his real name. So his friends that were still in power waited until an advantageous time to bring the remains back although it be in a rather slapdash way.
@@garypulliam3740 because he and his friends don't want it to be unknown......they believe they were in the right. He wanted people to be able to visit his eventual grave. This also closed holes in living nazis narratives as stated by Mr Felton.
Great work. Unfortunately we will never know definitively, but scenario 2 seems the most credible to me. Thanks again Mark for the dogged and meticulous approach to your research.
Excellent as usual. I literally did a 10 min high intensity kettlebell workout while watching and it held my interest better than music or anything else would have.
This has been a very interesting series, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about this piece of history. I'm inclined to believe Scenario 3 is most likely (Nazi sympathizers moved the body) since there seem to be a number of almost amateur-esq mistakes (granted, that's easy for me to say 50 years later after watching Mark's videos on the subject). One question, Mark mentions several times that Bormann's skull had the reddish soil on it, but he does not mention the rest of the skeleton having this same soil. Does anyone know if the rest of the skeleton had the reddish soil on it, and if not, what explanations there might be for the lack of the soil?
Hi Mark! One of the best series you've done on the channel. Your reasoning for the potential motivation for hiding the true end of the Brown Eminence has the ring of the silver bell of truth. Old Martin was a cunning rascal, so I just don't see him plopping down on some bridge and topping himself.
This whole story and lore about Bormann needs a film adaptation. Incredible series, Dr. Felton. I never knew this about WWII history, thank you for all you do!
Better not these days. He would end up in superhero suit and 3/4 of the movie would be cgi with each plot twist repeatedly explained 3 times. Of course the hero chasing him would be a lesbian woman of colour too.
If there is a part 6, it will probably be about some children he had in Paraguay, and the DNA testing of those kids compared to the ones he had in Germany.
Well a fantastic and fascinating series on a really truly interesting topic. As always all material sourced and thoroughly scrutinized for historical accuracy and the facts outlined in a logical concise manor for everyone to be able to follow. Mark keep up the great work I love your channel and content. It is really outstanding. Keen watcher from the emerald isle.
Thanks Mark, before this intriguing series i thought the most plausible story was that Bormann died in '45 in Berlin. From the evidence you've provided i now think Paraguay is the more likely scenario.
Mark, this series about Bormann is your best work ever. Thank you for your efforts in bringing history to life, both the known and unknown . Please keep up the good work.
Thanks for bringing up a point I was wondering about. There's scant, if any mention, of any other skeletal remains of Borman's found with his skull or, did I miss something?
At 0:18 in this episode, Dr Felton refers to the 'discovery of the skeletons' of the two men. However, the rest of the video only deals with the skull.
While watching each segment, I kept on thinking that Dr Felton had over done it on the ultra minute details. In the fifth segment when he tied all the loose ends together it became clear why he had brilliantly done this. A true who-done-it episode. Thankyou
So explain how Bormann managed not to age in South America. The body found in Berlin was of a 45 year old man -- Bormann was born in 1900 -- hence he was 45 in 1945. So unless he found the fountain of youth -- this is all BS. All forensics done on the body showed it be of a 45 year old Martin Bormann !!! NO CONSPIRACY -- NO FAKING ANYTHING. He was killed or committed suicide in Berlin in 1945. Felton never even talks about that aspect of the aging of the body just some dental work that may or may not have been done by Dr. Blaschke. They had others dentists at Hitler's HQ -- but Felton conveniently ignores these things to fit his theories.
@@martinbormann69 so soil not found literally anywhere in Berlin or at the gravesite, soil which MUST be derived by the weathering of feldspar-rich volcanic material, caked to the bormann skull but not the stumpfegger skull exactly adjacent to bormann is explained by....?
Felton doesn't mention SS-Brigadeführer Hugo Blaschke A card carrying NSDAP member. When the Dentists evidence supports Feltons theories, He's only referred to as Professor Hugo Blaschke. A Professional Dentist who provided a credible and reliable witness. testimony.
You nailed it Dr Felton - Germany wanted the whole 1940’s to go away and if he had been discovered that he got away (even for only a couple of years) it would have reignited the search for other Nazi’s - amongst other issues (Politics!)Thanks for another great video!
Mark, yet another great film, loving the work that you do…. Regarding the mystery surrounding Bormann, I can’t help but think, most governments couldn’t find their backside in a dark room with their hands tied behind their back so the conspiracy side of it just doesn’t fit with me (no matter how much I’d love to believe it!). Now if you’d said there could have been complete incompetence in the search of the burial site, I’d have been all over that….!! Keep up the fantastic work, I always look forward to my subscription icon lighting up…
Incredible to think that such underground connections and networks were made during a time of limited and often intercepted communications. Fascinating research as always, Dr. Felton.
Great series. I was convinced Bormann got out before, and I'm more convinced now. A shadowy and powerful figure like him was always going to have a plan and the means to implement it.
Where nazi went after war ? , they stayed in Germany had children , grand children , great grand children and they build new Germany on tresures and technology ... why Germany did not payed war reperation to Poland yet ? ... because in Germany rule nazi offsprings that are racist to Poles , no doubt there ... and look EU , I bet Germany would like that this be a 1000 years one too -_-
@@distantthunder12ck55 Well he would have had to have kept his preparations absolutely secret and secure from everyone else. There were plenty of other top Nazi players who would have outed him for being disloyal to Adolf Hitler and "the winning of the war." It's not implausible as Hitler's secretary he had to be looking out for Hitler's best interests in making a get away from Berlin. However once Hitler had seen how Mussolini was treated and killed, he probably decided that given his failing health, that he was in no condition to go on the run and would rather choose the time of his own demise.
Well thank you, Dr. Felton. What was with the ghoulish laughter toward the end? Considering the morbid nature of the subject, I was slightly stunned and shocked by that intermission at the conclusion of your story. My heart almost skipped a beat....
Dr. Felton’s work and editing/narrating capabilities have given us both better understanding and an excellent resource for future students. One comment for younger folks: All German Military who wore uniforms adorned with swastikas were not necessarily NAZIS themselves. My late Dad was an USAAC Intelligence Officer, who spent a while assisting British Counterintelligence processing German Intelligence Officer PoW’s in WWII London, and later often told that many of the non-NAZIS were decent professional Military Officers whom he came to respect. Dad maintained that the “over-pacification” of post-War Germany was a big mistake. Many thanks to Dr. Felton !
I really appreciate watching your videos and that you've dedicated your time and effort to present all of these stories and history. Hopefully, it will be around for countless generations to learn from.
Great topic! Thanks for the history Dr. Mark! I love the scenarios you deduce, its like watching a Charlie Chan, Thin Man, Lone Wolf, or other favorite detective film. BTW, the term "Conspiracy Theory" is a early 1960s CIA invented term. Thanks.
This is really increadable. The amount of research that Mark has done is amazing. I also find version 2 or 3 much more likely than version one, given the many surrounding facts. As a fourth version I could also imagine that the soviets were involved somehow. I always thought that it is very awkward that he actually died in Berlin in 1945, given all the sightings in South America. I never knew about the dental works and the clay on the skull. It makes me wonder how credible the sources of these findings are? It would be interessting to find out more about that. Would it not be possible with the backing of the Wiesenthal center, or another powerful Organisation to clarify this once and for all. There must be more evidence in South America to prove that he lived there.
Personally I reckon Martin Bormann got on a submarine and went to England, he's still alive today and is currently giving all this information to Mark Felton. Brilliant video as always sir😎
Mark, the all too obvious next step is to exhume the body at Paraguay, at Ita? i know WW2 was a long time ago, but WE still must Never Forget, and that Dig Matters. Great Video...one of your best, I Thank You.
Mark, I will share now a story I heard from Otto Gunche who I came to know from the yearly war reunions that my Opa would take me to and then as an adult until his death. It was in 1985 during the summer at one of these reunions that the subject of Borman came up. Gunche was discussing his feelings about Borman and described him as a "fat wall fly" that was constantly in Hitlers ear stirring the pot. I had no idea at the time who Borman was and so I inquired. He went on a lengthy rant about Bormans antics during the war and how he would constantly interject his opinion when he had no real war experience or knowledge. After he was finished I asked what became of Borman. Gunche replied that the real question was where is he now, to which he went on to say that the U.S. was responsible for his demise and that he died in a south american shlthole where he belonged and that the skull found in 1972 was a operation by the BND/CIA to end the hunt for nazis who escaped justice. I was only 15 years old at the time so I didnt understand the fully what he was saying and he never said anything more about it and I didnt bring it up again. Now looking back and with my own research combined with your excellent presentation here, I can conclude that option 2 was the most likely scenario with this being an effort by the BND with the help of the CIA to aid in West Germanys rehabilitation in the eyes of the world that all of the high ranking nazis were accounted for and that this would put to bed any further attempts to give credibility to news articles about nazis escaping to South America.
The man seems to be German chancellor Konrad Adenauer (Christian Democratic Union). In 1972 he was no longer in charge. The Social Democrats, their political opponents, had won the 1969 elections and were able to form their own government for the first time since the war. This new government had no reason to worry about a former government's poor reputation about hunting down old Nazis. The new chancellor, Willy Brandt, had just received the Nobel Peace Prize. There was absolutely no political need to deal with some old Nazi bones.
I'm a big fan of your channel and I'm a big history buff. And you're helping me do some research for Martin bormann I've heard every thing that you have put out and seeing everything you put out in a couple of the other channels so it's kind of helping me. Thank you 🇺🇸☮️😎
This was an excellent series and I greatly enjoyed it! Additionally, I now know it would have be impossible for Bormann to have forged a Wonka Golden Ticket, since the film was not filmed until 1970.
Bormann was hiding out in the chocolate factory working as an Oompa Loompa. That's why until the golden ticket promotion, no one had ever seen the inside of the factory.
Was embalming common in Paraguay in 1959? If that was Bormann's skull, with no soft tissue and compacted with red soil atypical of that in Berlin, it would suggest it was not. Are there records from where he was said to have been buried in Paraguay that would indicate a specific plot, who purchased it, etc.? And is there anyone in it now? I guess paper trails would have been destroyed, but considering the sloppy way a transfer of the remains would have to be handled to account for the forensic problems, perhaps not! It appears Stumpfegger's remains were "worked on" to better-match Axman's account, but is there any reason to think he also escaped and his body also transferred to the site to be near Bormann? Since they were both a distance from where the postal workers testified having buried them, why not just put Bormann near Stumpfegger? Unless the memories of those who buried them was flawed or it was necessary to move them to a spot where the construction crews were most-likely to "discover" them? Fascinating stuff as always! Like many who comment, I've learned more about World War II from these videos than I did in school!
Dr. Felton, I enjoy all of your very interesting, intriguing and educational reports. You have brought history alive and created a tremendous amount of curiosity. Thinking that I knew some WWII era history, I am reminded about how little I really know and how much more occurred than what the movies and Hollywood show. Thank you for stoking the passion!
Fascinating and intriguing series. I'm inclined to support your third scenario. Just because by 1972, West Germany was largely absolved of its past. It was a member in good standing of NATO, the Common Market and the UN. It had even made things up with Israel, providing military aid, paying reparations and enjoying good diplomatic and trade relations. Finally it was hosting the summer Olympics that year. Any problems it had were domestic with the rise of left wing terrorism.
I'd like to know if the guys reconstructing faces after sculls would be able to come to a Bormann look alike without knowing it actually was Bormann's scull???
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As a young teenager in the early or mid-1970's I stumbled upon a stack of old Reader's Digests from 19599-1961, and I remember reading in one of the issues the story of Bormann's escape to Paraguay and his death in 1959. Seems to have been rather common knowledge at the time. I also remember the cock and bull story of his remains being found featured on the CBS Evening News with Uncle Walter. The question of the Paraguay soil came up at the time (1972). Glad you have revisited the whole story, it wrapped up several untidy lose ends that have been nagging at my mind for half a century. My compliments on the stellar historical work you produce on your excellent channel.
Its like a open secret. Everybody had known and talked about it since the end of WW2.
Indeed! Dr. Felton's work is Top-notch!
I concur
I was a teen in the 70's too and recall the the fact that it seemed to be common knowledge then regarding the fact that Bormann escaped to Paraguay, Again when his skull was "Found" I also recall the debate concerning the red soil. I certainly recall my Father commenting that it was all a cover up.
Readers Digest was far more interesting than most publications today.
My father immigrated to Chicago from Germany years after the war. Interstate 94 that runs south of the city was called the Borman expressway after Frank Borman. My father always referred to it as the Martin Bormann expressway when I was a child. It it wasn't till years later that I found out my father really did have a sense of humor.
So that's at least one German with a sense of humour. Who would've thought it possible? Good for him! 🤣
Mark, this has been a very interesting series on Bormann . I remember first hearing of Martin Bormann when I was 8 years old on holiday in the summer of 1965 at a guest house on the Isle of White. For at least two days a new sighting of Bormann was being discussed by my parents and other adults in the guest house. It was of great interest to them but they found it amusing that he kept being seen in so many places over the years since the war.
Isle of Wight?
@@ece5925 Island of the south cost of Britain. Quick ferry trip from Portsmouth.
@@ece5925 ..that's what I thought
Whoa Germans sucked at lying 🤥
@@kungfuwitcher7621 He used a different spelling. The OP said "Isle of Wight."
Your videos are far better than anything I have ever come across in the decades of watching The History Channel! I certainly hope you keep making these for a very long time!
Mark I was literally thinking about how you’ve been killing it with the Martin Bormann series. Then you drop another episode?! Thank you!!!
Martin Bormann's picture appearing on the front of a newspaper in the 1971version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory always made me laugh.
I'm not even mad watching ads on Dr. Felton's videos. He deserves the revenue.
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I'm commenting for the algorithm boost, but to be honest, I'm waiting until I KNOW the series has been completed so that I can watch all the episodes one night in a massive Bormann binge. Such is the quality of this series in specific and the Mark Felton history juggernaut in general.
Thank you, Dr. Felton. I recall the story 50 years ago about Bormann's skull being found in West Berlin. I've studied WW2 since the 60's, and I've learned so much from your videos.
What a fascinating and informative series... Much appreciated!
Excellent series. As friends of mine in the intelligence community, familiar with German Intelligence apparatus in the post-war through the early 60 eras, always maintained that there was an active government wide "conspiracy" to deny the Nazi past. You make a strong point about how there was a strong presence of former Nazis in the West German government, who were very interested in discouraging further interest in pursuing fugitive Nazis.
Employing former Nazis in unearthing party's crimes is like digging a trench wirh bare hands!
The CIA didn't want their role in the expatriation of Nazis remembered either. Like now, any enemy of the Russians was a friend no matter how many crimes they'd committed.
Dr. Felton is an academic star with a unique flair for making history come alive...or in the case of Borman, dead and thankfully, long gone.
im taking that to mean he killed him
@@robertmccormack1208 MARK FELTON DID BORMAN!
What remains are still there in Paraguay, Only the skull was found, what about the rest
The man the myth the felton
What an immense series, great work as always. Absolute pleasure to be along for the ride.
Finding qualified german people for diplomatic positions after WW2, who hadn't been either in the nazi party or had worked for the nazi regime, might have been quite difficult.
Yes but all the way into the early seventies, that's nearly 30 years
@@nancymilawski1048 well, consider that generally for high ranking diplomats theres a preference or requirement for 'experience', which is intrinsically a proxy for age. So even those who might have been young low ranking staffers or functionaries in the war/late war/early post-war years would have been mentored by the 'experienced and qualified' high ranking nsdp members. So you kind of have a 'fruit of the poisoned tree' problem. Ideally youd want people born post 45 or 50, raised and educated in the de-nazified german state and schools to take their place, which almost by necessity means they'd have to be over 30 years old by that time, which puts you into the 70s and 80s for the fresh crop of untainted diplomatic corps.
Though I agree in principle, it might have been better for the whole lot to have been denied ability to serve in diplomatic and higher government state function, at least from an ethical and justice perspective.
But government's a messy business because of politics and the informal system of patronage and loyalty, not to mention the international politics of the cold war which saw the US turn a blind eye to many persons with unsavory pasts and presents if they felt it helped the current goal of competing with the soviet Union and containing the spread of communism. Though it does not justify it, we must remember that the grand goal st this time for the US and western allies was anti-communism, and the people who would have been both the most experienced and effective diplomats but also the most staunchly anti-communist would have been the former nsdp members of the former Nazi German state.
And that’s why the vast majority of diplomats, judges and politicians were Nazis.
That and one would assume that in those career paths, even the lowest clerk would have almost been forced into joining the party out of obligation and career versus ideology. I mean any government job by 1945 would have probably counted party membership as an unofficial de facto requirement. If not an actual one for all I know. Great video is always Mark
@@lonewulf44 yes they were all just innocent bystanders… don’t make excuses for people who had a choice. The fact that that choice was most probably accompanied by some form of punishment or lack of promotion doesn’t make it any less of a free choice! There are no INNOCENT people in the Nazi machine!
It's so convenient to make the story as they want it to fit. Very nice to see it dissected to what makes sense in a real world. Very cool series, many thanks for creating.
In South America Bormann was known as Juan Keller. He had a child with one of his housekeepers and adopted her &saw her until she turned 13 at which point the daughter never saw him again. She was interviewed (I have seen the interview) and confirmed that her father was in fact Martin Bormann.
this conflicts with him dying of cancer in 59 though
I just watched that.Very interesting but one major,glaring error.The daughter says after Adolf Eichman was captured her father became worried.If Bormann died in 58 he wouldn't have known of Eichman's capture which was in 60 was it not?
@@wombatwilly1002 yes.
It fits if the girl was born in 1946/47.
Source???
I clicked as soon as the notification popped up! I have fallen in love with the series! Keep up the amazing work, Dr. Felton!
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I had an amazing history professor that brought history alive…now I’ve got such a love for it that I can see how amazing Dr. Felton’s content is!
My wife is from Paraguay she is German and Castillian Spanish and lived in La Colonia. I have been to paraguay in search of J Mengele and have gotten an earful on both JM and MB.
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Maybe You would like to share some of that earful with an attentive audience the like of us?
The research you must have done for this series is noted, well done!
This series on Bormann has been really fascinating. Thanks for your continued great work! Just a side note, the picture at 2:03 that you label as the "Lehrter Station" in Berlin is actually a picture of the Anhalter Station in Berlin. I can understand the mix up as they have similar layouts.
Okay that was a creepy laughter at the end, was not expecting that.
Thank you for the series, it was very informative and most importantly, unbiased.
That was Bormann laughing at us. He fooled us all these years.
@@robertwilliamson6121 That, or Mark was just Halloweening us....I don't know. Either way, damn good series.
I jumped scared
scared the absolute daylights out of me
And yet, for some reason, I found this laughter funny 😳😳
This series is so well researched & filled with facts. I would recommend any of Mark Felton other videos as they are of the same caliber. Thank you Dr. Felton this has been quite a ride!
Thanks for making History interesting Dr Felton
This series is nothing short of outstanding Dr. Felton. Thank you!
As usual, each documentary video is a treasure. Thank you Mark Felton Productions.
Mark, just a note of thanks for your truly remarkable work. As a 67yr. old Jew from Long Island New York a suburb of Manhattan I was keenly aware of what Nazi's were and where they were on Long Island and the New York area. One of the families that lived in my neighborhood were German and the father was a POW and a baker who owned a local bakery with his wife. I've always been fascinated with this dark era of human history.
My dad went to Belsen on a trip with the "AED Army education department " in the 1950s while serving in the British Army,,, he told me it was the most frightening place he'd ever visited,,, evil hang in the air and even the birds didn't sing as they knew it was a place of evil ... then he left the army and met my mother ( a Jew ) less we forget ....
a suburb of Manhattan... lol.
@@MrZakatista In The 5-Towns, Woodmere, off the Far Rockaway Line to be exact.
There is another option. Bormann made it out and subsequently died of cancer as already stated. But he did not want to be buried in a foreign land under a false name. He wanted his remains brought back and buried in Germany with his real name. So his friends that were still in power waited until an advantageous time to bring the remains back although it be in a rather slapdash way.
That's not a bad theory either.
Indeed, I thought of this as well. Seems plausible, as he himself must have known the stories of where his body was reportedly found/buried.
A possibility.
But then why not just bury him in some nondescript location in Germany? Why would they need to bury him where they did? Bad theory.
@@garypulliam3740 because he and his friends don't want it to be unknown......they believe they were in the right. He wanted people to be able to visit his eventual grave. This also closed holes in living nazis narratives as stated by Mr Felton.
Great work. Unfortunately we will never know definitively, but scenario 2 seems the most credible to me. Thanks again Mark for the dogged and meticulous approach to your research.
Excellent as usual. I literally did a 10 min high intensity kettlebell workout while watching and it held my interest better than music or anything else would have.
"Gehlen disguised as George Smiley." Very good! 🤣🤣🤣
(By the way- the laugh at the end startled the crap out of me!)
Thank you very much, Mark. You made my day! Your research is impeccable.
Thanks Mark for a terrific mini series on Bormann. Loved every bit of it.
This has been a very interesting series, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning about this piece of history. I'm inclined to believe Scenario 3 is most likely (Nazi sympathizers moved the body) since there seem to be a number of almost amateur-esq mistakes (granted, that's easy for me to say 50 years later after watching Mark's videos on the subject).
One question, Mark mentions several times that Bormann's skull had the reddish soil on it, but he does not mention the rest of the skeleton having this same soil. Does anyone know if the rest of the skeleton had the reddish soil on it, and if not, what explanations there might be for the lack of the soil?
Hi Mark! One of the best series you've done on the channel. Your reasoning for the potential motivation for hiding the true end of the Brown Eminence has the ring of the silver bell of truth. Old Martin was a cunning rascal, so I just don't see him plopping down on some bridge and topping himself.
Absolutely brilliant Mark! Carry on the great work!
This whole story and lore about Bormann needs a film adaptation.
Incredible series, Dr. Felton. I never knew this about WWII history, thank you for all you do!
Better not these days. He would end up in superhero suit and 3/4 of the movie would be cgi with each plot twist repeatedly explained 3 times. Of course the hero chasing him would be a lesbian woman of colour too.
Dear Mr. Felton, you are too good for us and you are the biggest jewel in the crown
Dr Felton this has been possibly one of, if not, the most fascinating series that you have run. Thanks for sharing!
"Gehlen disguised as Geroge Smiley" - Genius.....
And it explains a lot...
Next we need a picture of Mark Felton disguised as Gerald the Mole...
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this is your best work yet!!! seriously great stuff..
Another fascinating and informative series, Dr Felton. I so appreciate this channel and your thorough investigative work.
You’ve heard this a lot, but absolutely amazing work as always! Never once, have I been let down on a video of yours, thank you!
Just when you thought it was over.... boom! Part 5! Stay tuned for part 6 when he tells us about what kind of soup Martin liked!
If there is a part 6, it will probably be about some children he had in Paraguay, and the DNA testing of those kids compared to the ones he had in Germany.
It has to be Heinz ! 🤭
@@bobcosmic "No soup for you!"
@@octowuss1888 Dayum austerity is even on RUclips well I’ll be dammed 🤣😂🤣😉
Part 6? I am looking forward to Part 7! 😃
Well a fantastic and fascinating series on a really truly interesting topic. As always all material sourced and thoroughly scrutinized for historical accuracy and the facts outlined in a logical concise manor for everyone to be able to follow. Mark keep up the great work I love your channel and content. It is really outstanding. Keen watcher from the emerald isle.
Thanks Mark, before this intriguing series i thought the most plausible story was that Bormann died in '45 in Berlin. From the evidence you've provided i now think Paraguay is the more likely scenario.
Mark, this series about Bormann is your best work ever. Thank you for your efforts in bringing history to life, both the known and unknown . Please keep up the good work.
If Bormann's skull was disinterred and reburied, then could it be that the rest of the man's body is still somewhere in a Paraguayan cemetery?
I've been thinking about that too since mentioned in a previous episode. is it possible the skeleton still exists somewhere
Thanks for bringing up a point I was wondering about. There's scant, if any mention, of any other skeletal remains of Borman's found with his skull or, did I miss something?
At 0:18 in this episode, Dr Felton refers to the 'discovery of the skeletons' of the two men. However, the rest of the video only deals with the skull.
Episode 4 at 9:35 it says the bodies of a very tall man and a short man were found, reference to feet etc.
Who knows
Could have been brought to Germany secretly buried
While watching each segment, I kept on thinking that Dr Felton had over done it on the ultra minute details. In the fifth segment when he tied all the loose ends together it became clear why he had brilliantly done this. A true who-done-it episode. Thankyou
I loved the ending, a hilarious dark laughter 😂
That was Bormann's ghost laughing at us. He kept us guessing all these years....
You can make of that what you will
The laughter at the end makes up for a good Halloween trick, while the full series is the treat.
Thank you for a great series Mark, handled skillfully like a brilliant surgeon....looking forward to another great historical series..
Or rather handled skulfully!
Still the only top WW2 researcher to date. We dont need the history channel anymore. :) We have Mark.
The clay found on the skull, and the post-1945 dental work indicate to this arm chair detective that he lived and was buried here in South America.
but what from the german "investigation" led you to believe that they made the correct and indisputable assesment?
So explain how Bormann managed not to age in South America. The body found in Berlin was of a 45 year old man -- Bormann was born in 1900 -- hence he was 45 in 1945. So unless he found the fountain of youth -- this is all BS. All forensics done on the body showed it be of a 45 year old Martin Bormann !!! NO CONSPIRACY -- NO FAKING ANYTHING. He was killed or committed suicide in Berlin in 1945. Felton never even talks about that aspect of the aging of the body just some dental work that may or may not have been done by Dr. Blaschke. They had others dentists at Hitler's HQ -- but Felton conveniently ignores these things to fit his theories.
@@martinbormann69 so soil not found literally anywhere in Berlin or at the gravesite, soil which MUST be derived by the weathering of feldspar-rich volcanic material, caked to the bormann skull but not the stumpfegger skull exactly adjacent to bormann is explained by....?
Felton doesn't mention SS-Brigadeführer Hugo Blaschke
A card carrying NSDAP member. When the Dentists evidence supports Feltons theories, He's only referred to as Professor Hugo Blaschke. A Professional Dentist who provided a credible and reliable witness. testimony.
@@martinbormann69 why are you so angry about this
This has to be the best and most objective series about Bormann that I ever heard. Thank you, Professor Felton.
You nailed it Dr Felton - Germany wanted the whole 1940’s to go away and if he had been discovered that he got away (even for only a couple of years) it would have reignited the search for other Nazi’s - amongst other issues (Politics!)Thanks for another great video!
The governments of the world have been lying to their subjects for many years!
indeed
I agree I feel this is the most plausible theory
The US and UK intel agencies sure as hell didn't what to risk exposure of _Project Paperclip._
Mark, yet another great film, loving the work that you do…. Regarding the mystery surrounding Bormann, I can’t help but think, most governments couldn’t find their backside in a dark room with their hands tied behind their back so the conspiracy side of it just doesn’t fit with me (no matter how much I’d love to believe it!). Now if you’d said there could have been complete incompetence in the search of the burial site, I’d have been all over that….!!
Keep up the fantastic work, I always look forward to my subscription icon lighting up…
Incredible to think that such underground connections and networks were made during a time of limited and often intercepted communications. Fascinating research as always, Dr. Felton.
Great series. I was convinced Bormann got out before, and I'm more convinced now. A shadowy and powerful figure like him was always going to have a plan and the means to implement it.
Where nazi went after war ? , they stayed in Germany had children , grand children , great grand children and they build new Germany on tresures and technology ... why Germany did not payed war reperation to Poland yet ? ... because in Germany rule nazi offsprings that are racist to Poles , no doubt there ... and look EU , I bet Germany would like that this be a 1000 years one too -_-
I'd love to know what really happened to Gen. Kammler.
Indeed, he would have meticulously planned and prepared this many months before the end of the war.
@@distantthunder12ck55 Well he would have had to have kept his preparations absolutely secret and secure from everyone else. There were plenty of other top Nazi players who would have outed him for being disloyal to Adolf Hitler and "the winning of the war."
It's not implausible as Hitler's secretary he had to be looking out for Hitler's best interests in making a get away from Berlin. However once Hitler had seen how Mussolini was treated and killed, he probably decided that given his failing health, that he was in no condition to go on the run and would rather choose the time of his own demise.
If Bormann got out why not hitler too?
Well thank you, Dr. Felton. What was with the ghoulish laughter toward the end? Considering the morbid nature of the subject, I was slightly stunned and shocked by that intermission at the conclusion of your story. My heart almost skipped a beat....
Dr. Felton’s work and editing/narrating capabilities have given us both better understanding and an excellent resource for future students. One comment for younger folks: All German Military who wore uniforms adorned with swastikas were not necessarily NAZIS themselves. My late Dad was an USAAC Intelligence Officer, who spent a while assisting British Counterintelligence processing German Intelligence Officer PoW’s in WWII London, and later often told that many of the non-NAZIS were decent professional Military Officers whom he came to respect. Dad maintained that the “over-pacification” of post-War Germany was a big mistake. Many thanks to Dr. Felton !
This was Mark's Halloween special! The laugh and the 💀 are perfect. [But where's the 🎃?]
I really appreciate watching your videos and that you've dedicated your time and effort to present all of these stories and history. Hopefully, it will be around for countless generations to learn from.
Great topic! Thanks for the history Dr. Mark! I love the scenarios you deduce, its like watching a Charlie Chan, Thin Man, Lone Wolf, or other favorite detective film. BTW, the term "Conspiracy Theory" is a early 1960s CIA invented term. Thanks.
Another fascinating series, Mark. Thanks for bringing this to light, much obliged.
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Excellent examination of the enigma. You have cracked the case wide open where thousands have fallen short.
This is really increadable. The amount of research that Mark has done is amazing. I also find version 2 or 3 much more likely than version one, given the many surrounding facts. As a fourth version I could also imagine that the soviets were involved somehow. I always thought that it is very awkward that he actually died in Berlin in 1945, given all the sightings in South America. I never knew about the dental works and the clay on the skull. It makes me wonder how credible the sources of these findings are? It would be interessting to find out more about that. Would it not be possible with the backing of the Wiesenthal center, or another powerful Organisation to clarify this once and for all. There must be more evidence in South America to prove that he lived there.
Yes. More information can still be scooped out of South America on many more Nazis.
I was in the camp deeming Bormann as a fugitive in Paraguay as a conspiracy… but now I have to reassess. An extremely interesting series. Thanks .
I still say he escaped to Argentina....with the rest of them..anyway awesome video as always Mark
Extremely interesting ! But then everything I've seen you present is top notch . Thank you Mark.
Fantastic work, Mark! SO many facts of which I simply had no idea. More! MORE! :)
What sets apart Dr Felton's narratives are his dry wit and the occasional bit of mischief. Thoroughly enjoyable!
The George Smiley reference is pure gold!
Just wanted to say that was an excellently done series. Ultra interesting and well thought out follow ups on all avenues of possibility. Good stuff!
I am more anxious about the next History episode from Dr.Felton than from tv series .
I can't stress enough how fascinating are your videos Dr Felton.
I agree 100%. I love this channel.
@@stevenhershman2660 despite him being caught plagiarising several times online.
A magnificent piece of work Mark.
Many thanks. Rob.
You never disappoint sir! I am very appreciative of your efforts 🙏👏🇺🇲💯❤️
If episode 5 is this awesome, I can't wait for next season!
We need a whole episode on Reinhard Gehlen!
Perhaps a 6th episode speculating Borrman’s activities over those 14 years post WW2 - surely he wasn’t sitting idle?
3.7 K likes and 370 comments in just 2 hours shows the formidable power of Dr. Felton’s research. Bravo!
Personally I reckon Martin Bormann got on a submarine and went to England, he's still alive today and is currently giving all this information to Mark Felton. Brilliant video as always sir😎
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Someone said he was last seen playing tennis against Boris Becker !
Dr Felton is Better than the “History Channel” ever was! Thank you for this series, a riveting tale!
Eat your hearts out, streaming services. This mini series is great stuff.
And so much educative!!! And we know only half of Nazi atrocities and WWII
Fantastic job Dr. Felton!
the laugh at the end 😂😂, made me jump, had headphones on
This series is so interesting, it had me hooked right away. Thanks Dr.Felton.
Mark, the all too obvious next step is to exhume the body at Paraguay, at Ita? i know WW2 was a long time ago, but WE still must Never Forget, and that Dig Matters.
Great Video...one of your best, I Thank You.
Dr Felton , I’m a big fan of your series. Here in Canada . Keep up the good work !!!!
Mark, I will share now a story I heard from Otto Gunche who I came to know from the yearly war reunions that my Opa would take me to and then as an adult until his death. It was in 1985 during the summer at one of these reunions that the subject of Borman came up. Gunche was discussing his feelings about Borman and described him as a "fat wall fly" that was constantly in Hitlers ear stirring the pot. I had no idea at the time who Borman was and so I inquired. He went on a lengthy rant about Bormans antics during the war and how he would constantly interject his opinion when he had no real war experience or knowledge. After he was finished I asked what became of Borman. Gunche replied that the real question was where is he now, to which he went on to say that the U.S. was responsible for his demise and that he died in a south american shlthole where he belonged and that the skull found in 1972 was a operation by the BND/CIA to end the hunt for nazis who escaped justice. I was only 15 years old at the time so I didnt understand the fully what he was saying and he never said anything more about it and I didnt bring it up again. Now looking back and with my own research combined with your excellent presentation here, I can conclude that option 2 was the most likely scenario with this being an effort by the BND with the help of the CIA to aid in West Germanys rehabilitation in the eyes of the world that all of the high ranking nazis were accounted for and that this would put to bed any further attempts to give credibility to news articles about nazis escaping to South America.
Perfect! I believe you! Could you share more stories about that guy like about the war?
@@paolomartin6873 He should have asked Otto where was Hitler buried?
Amazing work on this documentary series!! Such a fascinating study.
I was notified two minutes ago. Thanks Mark. At 2:44, what is wrong with the man's hand on the left?
Western germans censoring the salute
The man seems to be German chancellor Konrad Adenauer (Christian Democratic Union). In 1972 he was no longer in charge. The Social Democrats, their political opponents, had won the 1969 elections and were able to form their own government for the first time since the war. This new government had no reason to worry about a former government's poor reputation about hunting down old Nazis. The new chancellor, Willy Brandt, had just received the Nobel Peace Prize. There was absolutely no political need to deal with some old Nazi bones.
I'm a big fan of your channel and I'm a big history buff. And you're helping me do some research for Martin bormann I've heard every thing that you have put out and seeing everything you put out in a couple of the other channels so it's kind of helping me. Thank you 🇺🇸☮️😎
This was an excellent series and I greatly enjoyed it! Additionally, I now know it would have be impossible for Bormann to have forged a Wonka Golden Ticket, since the film was not filmed until 1970.
Bormann was hiding out in the chocolate factory working as an Oompa Loompa. That's why until the golden ticket promotion, no one had ever seen the inside of the factory.
thank you Mark for another excellent inquiry
Was embalming common in Paraguay in 1959? If that was Bormann's skull, with no soft tissue and compacted with red soil atypical of that in Berlin, it would suggest it was not. Are there records from where he was said to have been buried in Paraguay that would indicate a specific plot, who purchased it, etc.? And is there anyone in it now? I guess paper trails would have been destroyed, but considering the sloppy way a transfer of the remains would have to be handled to account for the forensic problems, perhaps not!
It appears Stumpfegger's remains were "worked on" to better-match Axman's account, but is there any reason to think he also escaped and his body also transferred to the site to be near Bormann? Since they were both a distance from where the postal workers testified having buried them, why not just put Bormann near Stumpfegger? Unless the memories of those who buried them was flawed or it was necessary to move them to a spot where the construction crews were most-likely to "discover" them?
Fascinating stuff as always! Like many who comment, I've learned more about World War II from these videos than I did in school!
Dr. Felton, I enjoy all of your very interesting, intriguing and educational reports. You have brought history alive and created a tremendous amount of curiosity. Thinking that I knew some WWII era history, I am reminded about how little I really know and how much more occurred than what the movies and Hollywood show. Thank you for stoking the passion!
Fascinating and intriguing series. I'm inclined to support your third scenario. Just because by 1972, West Germany was largely absolved of its past. It was a member in good standing of NATO, the Common Market and the UN. It had even made things up with Israel, providing military aid, paying reparations and enjoying good diplomatic and trade relations. Finally it was hosting the summer Olympics that year. Any problems it had were domestic with the rise of left wing terrorism.
Such a concise and comprehensive survey, Mark. This was a master class in historical reporting.
I'd like to know if the guys reconstructing faces after sculls would be able to come to a Bormann look alike without knowing it actually was Bormann's scull???