Hey there people! 2 quick things: 1. I didn't add spoiler warnings in this video. I entirely forgot that the PC community just got this game and potentially did not know the story yet. I will try to keep this in mind for future videos (or at least I will attempt to) 2. If you enjoyed this video, do you want me to cover the DLC? It explores Jin's past. If yes do say so with a comment Update: The second video covering the DLC is up! Go check it out!
@@ItsHawx movie?! WHEN? HOW? And yes i wish for a secuel too, i want to see what will happends with jin and what is the destiny of lord shimura (i want to see if my choice to spare him is cannon)
@@Poja_0811 Director of John Wick Chapter 4 announced that he is working on a movie adaptation of GoT in 2021. Last we heard (like half a year or so ago) the movie is in "deep production" but will not release any time soon
Jin is not the Bad guy, he did want he could to minimise harm to his people and force out the invaders. Jin was completely justified, His Uncle however is not, he was willing to send his people into the meat grinder for no reason, and that's pretty evil.
Jin leaned too hard into his methods though in ways that made them sometimes backfire. When he snuck into Castle Shimura and discovered the Mongol trap that would have killed Shimura’s men if they attacked the bridge, instead of reporting back or doing something like prematurely blowing up the explosives to leave a massive opening, he continued with the poison plan for his own vengeance and eventually the Mongols would use this poison against Tsushima. Had Jin not let his emotions overwhelm him, he could have reported back to Shimura about the trap and while Shimura is honor bound, he won’t willing go into a trap if he knows it’s there. So they can probably reach a compromising strategy. Perhaps sending Jin and some other men along the side route to set off the Mongol explosives and attack the Mongol flank before sending in the main force. Both characters were blinded by their own ideologies. And it got the better of both of them.
@@kaijuslayer3334his poison was used successfully against the mongols, doesn’t matter if it backfired, most people died and yet the mongols were repelled
@@kaijuslayer3334again, jin literally warned him about the trap. If shimura not let his emotions overwhelm him and listened to jin then he wouldn’t send his people into a trap
There is a conversation between Jin and Yuriko (the old lady who looked after Jin in his childhood), he assumes that his father would not approve of the Ghost because of all the killings and the lack of honor and Yuriko tells Jin that his father was very open minded about achieving victory by any means necessary and how his ways of thinking and acting got him in a lot of heated arguments with Lord Shimura. In my opinion Jin's father would probably agree and even encourage him.
The Samurai, especially lord Shimura, maintain this nebulous concept of honor in order to stay in power. They, having the best training and weaponry, enforce head-to-head combat so they always come out on top. The outsiders, mongols, care not for it and immediately crush them. Jin is a revolutionary. A terrorist to one side, and a liberator to another. He's not at all evil, but not good either. He's what's needed.
TBF, most of the Samurai weren't afraid to use "dishonorable" tactics, but they didn't openly flaunt it because they needed the peasantry to believe they needed them
@@chrisdiokno5600yeah, Jin has a line "Unfitting for a Samurai, but effective" when using thrown Kunai. Even though historically samurai were not above using concealed, thrown weaponry such as shuriken
He’s the middle ground between a code of proclaimed honor and doing what is merely needed for survival. Excellently worded and articulated my friend! 🖤 Jin Sakai’s journey was a very long, yet intensely brutal journey beyond the point of no return.
I think the joke is how the person isn’t even thanked for the gift and Jin is not even surprised at receiving one. It’s like he just expects people to gift him no matter what.
Basically this video is about the "Evil Paradox". Here's a quote, "What do you do if there is an evil you can not defeat with just means. Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil. Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if that means surrendering to evil." - lelouch vi britannia
That is one of the dumbest things I ever heard and I heard a lot of dumb shit in my life. If you want to destroy evil than you won't do anything evil because that's just counter productive to what you want to accomplish. What you should do is make sure the evil dosn't spread, help as many people as possible get away from the evil and lock it in a place till you can destroy it. Acting like you can only fight with it right now or let them do evil is such a stupid thing that I'm not suprised the guy is fucking french. Only one of those frog eaters could say something so fucking stupid. Evidently some toxins from the froga got to his fucking brain because I refuse to belive someone can be so fucking stupid as to think of such a question and think it's a moral problem.
Here is the problem with this ethos, if the "EVIL" was a massive roided guy beating a child, and you can't beat him in a fight, do you shoot him or just continue letting him beat the child? Philosophy might sound clever at first but usually falls apart when put into practice
@@ChemDuke7 What you are saying does not apply to the evil paradox. You just shoot him (or use any form of weapon), and save the child. That's justice not evil.
@@ChemDuke7 Killing is not evil, it is objective. Base on your logic, Its like saying "We shouldn't kill Hitler and the Nazis. Were the good guys, so lets just watch and let them kill all the jews!", is nothing more moronic idealism because the world is not black and white.
Jin basically became the first shinobi or ninja although one could say given what is seen in the Iki Island expansion: His father was basically the Prototype ghost except instead of being stealthy he was brutal in open battle and with the implication that the wind that leads Jin both in directions (and even in ghost stance towards a enemy) being his father’s spirit, something tells me that Jin sakai’s dad agrees with the Ghost.
@@ItsHawx if I remember right Ninja is the occupation and Shinobi is a male ninja, with konuchi (think I missed spelled that) being the term for a female ninja.
@@ItsHawx Technically shinobi and ninja are the same. Though ninjas are usually mercenaries if you want someone to infiltrate or assassinate. While the shinobi is a samurai who is trained in the ways of the ninja, but is still a samurai, not a mercenary. Real samurai actually use stealth tactics. These samurai who use these tactics are shinobi.
Something interesting about Jin is that throughout the game he falls back onto his beliefs as a kid young Jin said to him Honor was fighting for those that can’t fight for themselves and in the end Jin was willing to do whatever it took to protect those that couldn’t fight back against the mongols
When you bow at Kazumasa's grave at Omi Village, the wind and leaves (your father essentially) embrace you, even after you kill Lord Shimura, and lose all sense of honor.
I love how much respect the game has for Mongol customs and culture and how despite how awful some of the things the Khan does are, he does make true on his word of kindness and respect to those who join. He's not right and he's still monstrous in his actions, but that underlying kindness and honesty do make him a much more compelling villain.
True, there is still a mutual respect and love between the two of them. I honestly cannot say that either ending is less canon than the other. Both make sense and are in character Only the sequel can say what the true ending is
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 If Jin is dishonorable, the dishonorable thing to do is to not kill his uncle in the duel and just walk away, because at the end of the day, he still loves his uncle.
I personally chose to spare his uncle. I feel it's more in character for Jin. As the game progresses, Jin has slowly diverted away from the honor code. He even said "Honor died on that beach". This line feels like Jin has fully embrace the Ghost identity and has abandoned his samurai identity. Sparing his uncle made it seems like a statement. Stating that Jin Sakai no longer has honor, he is no longer a slave to it, so he for once has the choice to either follow the code for the last time, or fully abandon it. Though this is not the best ending, but I feel it's more fitting with Jin Sakai.
One thing about the ending choice, jin gave ryuzo an honorable death, despite his betrayal, because he knew that everything ryuzo did was in service of the people he cared for, regardless of his own feelings, the same internal battle jin is fighting, and also partly because he cares for his childhood friend. So i dont believe jin's honor, or lack there of, is the determining factor of whether or not to kill shimura, but whether or not he believes shimura defended his people to the best of his ability, therefore earning the warrior's death
Or alternatively whether or not he is willing to kill his own father, Lord Shimura in a sense is a Slave To Honor. Lord Shimura didn't want to do this hence why he replies to Jin Stating "Taking it is my punishment!" He is ashamed of what he's about to do... But instead of just killing Jin, he gives Jin a chance to defend himself, spending their final day in peace... Before war! This is what ultimately made me decide to spare him regardless of the outcome. This wouldn't have been a Warrior's death, not that Lord Shimura didn't deserve a Warrior's death, but that it just.. wasn't his time, and certainly not by what is essentially his son of all people. If he was to die, he should've died at Komoda, not here, not by my hands. Not just that, but despite everything Jin had done this is the only time Young Sakai ever fights another Samurai outside of Friendly Duels or Self Defense... Actually scratch that there was that rouge Faction at the end of the Mosako Story Arc but besides those. This is the only time he actually fights an Actual Samurai, and he doesn't use his tools, he doesn't use anything but his skills. I just couldn't bring myself to finish it.
4:37 here while i was playing this section i immediately noticed the goal was written as “stab the mongol in the back" not something like “ assassinate the target or something like that" this line added much depth to jin's character for me as he was a proud warrior but now he have to take the unhonourable or disgraceful path to save his uncle
I noticed that too but I saw that someone had used that point in their review too so I didn't include it here cuz people would say "I stole content" :(
Jin did what his foolish uncle would never do. His uncle was plauged by a false sense of "honor". Jin is the necessary evil that Tsushima didnt want, but the evil they NEEDED. Without jin, the Island wouldve been razed and scorched to the ground. Sure, jin did some bad things to get rid of the mongols, but once again, Tsushima stood no chance of survival without jin abandoning his samurai honor. After all, honor is useless when you're dead
I mean thinking from the mongol side they were in the process of becoming the greatest ever when they took all of china and then had eyes on Tsushima maybe even Japan.
@@ItsHawx yeah but I wouldnt blame them since Japanese military leaders never really believed the mongols would come to attack them directly again under kubalai Khan and Genghis Khan had his reasons but I think the invading mentality started with kubalai Khan .
It honestly baffles me how, historically, the shogunate expected a few skirmish battles. Like bro they are invaders, not a hostile samurai clan I think their conquest is a bit more serious
I love the game and the character but I find it funny that Jin is after thieves and bandits the whole time but proceeds to take everyone’s linen and supplies and wind chimes 😂
It hails back to the question Jin was asked as a young adult. What is the job of a samurai. Jin felt it was to protect the weak. For his uncle to was about always acting with honour. His uncle wasn't willing to compromise his honour even it meant people died. Jin was willing to compromise his honour because saving lives was more important.
Maaan I love this game You can see that Shimura is at the same time a slave to honor, but also truly concerned with Jim's path Jim is not wrong to forsake "honor" when it comes to actually save lives They are at an impossible situation with no clear and easy answer Also, the "Spare" ending is probably one of the best endings ever in gaming
Ghost of Tsushima conveys really well what revenge is actually like for someone who has lost everything, none of that empty crap hollywood tends to peddle where the people go all regretful and emo after achieving their vengeance, or reconsider halfway through to just move on and let the people who harmed them get away with it to further harm others in the same way. If you have been harmed by others to this extend you crave revenge more than anything else, to the point that everything else becomes a secondary issue, you become stronger and more dedicated than you have ever been to achieve it, and if it works as you envisioned it you are thrilled, Norio getting revenge in his tale was a good representation, that man would achieve what he set out to do and no sane person would stand in his way. Only after finishing that chapter of your life can you hope to move on with it and build something new for yourself. The only problem I have is that this game is an extreme case of black and white to any sane human being, q clear cut case of right and wrong, to rational and idiotic. This is because the mongol invaders are all presented as subhuman animals in this game who all deserve the ghosts wrath and then some, while Shimura is undeniably a weak minded fool who is all too eager to throw everyones life away because he is too cowardly to do what must be done for the good of Tsushima, even after seeing that the mongols basically began to genocide and burn the earth, losing to them would have meant extiction for the population of Tsushima. I personally would have enjoyed it more had Jin been given an actual reason to struggle with his transition into the ghost and his actions, something that went further than him being brainwashed with this idiotic bushido code crap as a child that no samurai in real life ever gave two shits about during war anyway as to avoid the fate of the samurai in this game. As it was in this game though, only a complete fool would feel any pity for any of the mongol characters, or any of the traitors aiding them in their atrocities, or Shimura who would have kept throwing his soldiers into the meat grinder to lose the war, the same man who wanted to kill Jin for winning the war despite Shimura himself being a heavy beneficiary of the ghosts actions.
I genuinely don’t understand how this video isn’t more popular. This man broke down the mentality of many main characters and described the psychological story of this game, all while being able to keep me engaged and yet it still only has 35 thousand views?
Also Kazumasa Sakai was what irl samurai were like in battle, brutal and ruthless along with killing civvies, in short Samurai were not that completely honorable but makes sense cause its survival or fighting for life when in battle. Edit: Except the civilian offing but that was common in times like that.
I honored Shimura's wishes, because it would prevent him from suffering a worse end. To spare him is to stubbornly stick to your principles, knowing it will cause suffering for others. I think refusing his request is to repeat his mistake. But there a good arguments for both choices, a testament of the quality of the writing.
"A man rode in that night. And a vengeful spirit returned." As hard of a line as "Honor died on the beach." this line of yours goes just as hard. Well done!
Interesting video. I disagree completely but see where you are coming from. To me he just did whatever needed to be done to free the island from the invaders. If anything I'd say he is too nice: a samurai lord who makes no demands of the peasantry, and is so unintimidating they don't even offer any assistance in gathering the resources he needs to restock weapons. For a large part of the game he's kind of a superhero lackey running chores for the needy and expecting nothing useful in return.
Yea I do agree he is somewhat idealized, hence the section where I added the wikipedia excerpt where it stated that the samurai used their status to essentially take advantage of people
@@ItsHawxI don't think he was idealised. The cutscenes portray him as a conflicted character but the gameplay makes him a bamboo farmer who has no authority over any of his serfs
The game makes him out to be someone who sees himself on the same level as his people. Compare that to how knights/samurai/any other protector of a people actually was he is somewhat idealized
Somewhat idealised sounds ok-ish to me, but not entirely lol . Honestly I'd rather he was more of a feudal monster who doesn't have to pick up his own yew twigs and who inspired his people through terror, but that's not something AAA games would take a punt on @@ItsHawx cheers
Part of what made the story so interesting to me was just how hypocritical even the most honourable warriors could get. You're supposed to look your opponent in the eye before you kill them, but then using bows is fine? That seems contradictory tbh. Shimura sparing a thief going against the orders of the Shogun? When Goro was delivering the Letter to the Shogun, Shimura allows Jin to use the Hwacha. Asking Jin to sell out someone that genuinely helped with Castle Kaneda and Castle Shimura just to save his own skin? It all seems to be more lip service sometimes than actual practice
Yeah, that bothered me too. Because in reality, archery, mainly their horse archers WAS what made the Mongols so terrifying. I waa honestly bumped why the game never had Mongol world bossess who roamed around on horseback. Who you could only beat with archery.
He and Miyamoto Musashi have a lot in common when it comes to going against samurai tradition; That's definitely someone he should come across and learn from in the sequal, The video game was awesome through-and-through one of the best I've seen and played thus far, (next to red dead redemption 2) keep up the good work sucker punch; As far as the character of jin sakai goes I do not consider him a hypocrite or a tratior to honor at all, He continued to show himself to be the most honorable, more so than his uncle due to the fact that he valued innocent lives more than the need to appease the rigid dogma of the bushido code for the sake of his uncle and the shogun, they were facing an enemy that was using their code against them to take over the land and the people and jin saw no other choice but to break away from that in order for his people and his country to survive the murderous onslaught of the mongols, Thus it forced him down a path that he was Initially resistant to but ultimately embraced for the good of everyone Which in turn has made him a beloved living legend among his people as well as tsushima's very own japanese zorro, He may have sacrificed and lost everything because of the harsh choices he was forced to make, but he also gained a whole lot more from his willingness to sacrifice and lose everything for the greater good of all and he for a video game character has my utmost respect for that. His uncle however is the villain of his own story because he was willing to sacrifice an innocent woman like jin's friend yuna to the shogun and blame the poisoning of the mongols on her; something a man of honor should never do, so I personally don't care about lord shimura's pain, he deserves it and what better way for him to suffer more than to be spared and live with the humiliation of having his own nephew and "son" go on to become a better person and greater legend than him, the shogun and the entire class of the samurai. LONG LIVE THE GHOST!!! 🔥💯😉😁👍
Is no one gonna talk about the soundtrack of GoT?, this game has one of the best, if not, THE best soundtrack I have ever listened to, each song can match the exact mood and enhance the emotion of every scene in this game. The brawl music during the first minuite and a half in “The Way of the ghost” OST, then when Jin has to either kill of spare him, the sadness and the vocals step in. This game has single-handedly made me shed a tear in the end of the game, because of joy from this game, but also the ending.
Shimura was a fool. Jin was more like the historical samurai than he was. I would argue that Jin was more honorable as he defended the lives of not only the samurai but also the people they looked down their noses at.
Jin isn't evil. His motives were completely justified. He had the skills and shinobi techniques necessary to save the people of Tsushima and reduce needless deaths, unlike Shimura, who sent his own dudes into the meat grinder for no reason. Jins' actions and motivations are justifiable, understandable, effective, and most importantly, worked. He beat Khotun Khan and saved Tsushima. His enemies may fear him, but the people idolise him. He's the Batman of Tsushima. Jin isn't evil.
Ghost is my favourite game of all time for the same reason that the Batman was my favourite movie of 2022: In our world, the only way to truly defeat evil is by being able to understand evil, and to understand evil, you must be part evil yourself. Ie, to defeat a monster, you must become one.
I like to think that Jin is like a japanese version to Zorro. Both use stealth tactics, fight invaders, and are persecuted by their goverment, but have the support of the people. Zorro is literally fox in spanish. And foxes are really important in Ghost. But honestly, Jin tactics just works against the mongols. The Shogun should have recruited Jin to use his legend as a way to keep invaders of Japan and put their faith on his rule.
My god a person who got saw the game in the exact same way I did! Hoooooooly shit One nitpick though he was the villain to everyone but himself and the common folks of tsushima
I like jin portrayed as force of nature, or equivalent reaction. The mongols invade and kill the samurai, he shall avenge their honor. Then they start torturing them and doing other horrible things. That is when the ghost awakens. Only someone as vile as the mongols deserve the wrath of the ghost.
In the beginning, you say that Jin Sakai wants his revenge, and that is what tears apart his identity. I, however, always saw his identity breaking over his desire to free and save the people of Tsushima. The issue being that the pride and honor of a Samurai are so rigid that the mongols can use it to their advantage. I'm not trying to be a dick or nothing. Ghost of Tsushima is probably my favorite game, and is the best story!
I played as a Samurai for ages and ages (no sneaking) because of the pressure from the family expectations. That’s good storytelling that is! Really great game.
Hmmm probably cause the horse got more ninja skill than jin, and the fact you use the horse a bed from time to time. And now that I'm replaying it, I also noticed when he'll comfort you when you do the questionable stuff. All in all good side kick animal.imho
One interaction that change it all for me was with the side quests, Ishikawa towards the end tells you to not be consumed by the Ghost like he was consumed by the Demon Sensei, he lost it all due to that, Same with Adachi, at her end there was nothing left, only pain, so when the ending came around I chose to kill Lord Shimura to at the very least preserve a little of the identity of Jin before the Ghost, though it felt as if regardless of choice I was wrong
Inside me there are two wolves One wants to spare Shimura because it feels like the moral thing to do The other wants the white color pallete you get for killing him because bling is king
"And others clearly too zooted to move" has got to be one of the funniest things I've heard in a while! 😂 Also, this is a fucking incredible video my dude. Probably one of the best videos on RUclips I've seen in a while. That was entertaining and really really interesting and your voice and accent are pleasant to listen to, phenomenal job, honestly! You definitely earned another subscriber today!
Its a story of tradition and adaptation, combined with the story of loss and the story of revenge from all sides all characters you come across all suffer the same fates in different degrees.
I absolutely love the combat in ghost of tsushima which is why i usually never use stealth cause its just so much fun squabbling with the mongols. Fun fact: anything that does not have a long range attack will not attack simultaneously. Usually if youre fighting three or more sword guys only one will ever attack at one time, this helps when youre going for these precious precious perfect parries.
Kinda saw this game as a game where you play as a ninja, but once I actually got to play it…. Even though that is basically what he becomes (well depending on how you decide to play the game i guess) I like the journey Jin goes through, struggling with trying to keep his samurai way but slowly bending and breaking those rules until he essentially becomes one of the first ninjas in the ghost
The dlc is great as well, showing how his father was not a hero to strive towards but in fact was just as bad to the people of Iki as the Mongols were to Tsushima(and Iki now as well). It was a great story of him shedding his last remaining doubts of what he became and severing his guilt about failing his father for not dying alongside him in battle. He even befrinds(kind of) his father's killer and fights alongside him to save Iki Island.
THAT is why I loved Jin as a character. Sacrificing his honour and family for his country. Similar to Big Boss from MGS:SE. Shimura believes you can win AND retain your honour, but Jin sees the losing battle and his love for Tsushima and its people outweighs tradition. Ryuzo is everything hated but something necessary.
I know right? The fact that they believed "Oh shit we are falling behind" because of him using poison just goes to show what an insane amount of respect Jin has gathered
Jin Sakai is not evil, it's not so black and white, he's morally challenged every step of the way, but he's still loyal to the people of Tsushima, not evil, not good, he's just on their side, a perfect antihero
The dialogue in the game where jin was going to the pyre of his father. The lady tells him that "Your father is the winds at your back. Your mother is the birds in tge trees" That reminded of the wind direction which leads him to his every action. The golden bird who leads jin to vairous shrines.
i still think there should have been version of the game where we kill Khotun Khan at the bridge and follow the samurai way to clear the island with many other bosses in various territories of various clan but still i appreciate the game but i am more like lord Shimura who would have followed the Honor cause i believe that if someone breaks or goes against out honor doesn't mean we have to go against it too.
If you don't want to read this whole thing, kill ending better story wise, made me cry like when the horse died, white outfit dye is better than the stupid ugly red dye. The spare ending isn't as good as the kill ending. I was sad fighting shimura and didn't want to kill him but when the choice was given it was the only one that made sense in my mind. Like when I look at the two endings side by side it feels like one of them has a lot more effort in it, and it's definitely the kill ending. I know people use the "I have no honor" line as leverage, but he only says that in the spare ending. He accepts the duel and writes his final words in the first place. I feel this duel isn't just punishment for shimura but Jin as well for the paths they've taken and each other's lives are the sacrifice they have to make to solidify the path they walk in life. I know "but Jin hasn't done anything wrong" but outside of sticking to the bushido code (and some casual class discrimination against yuma) what has shimura done to deserve having to kill jin? shimura's goal is the same as jin's. Defeat the mongols and save tsushima. At no point does any samurai go to Jin and be like, "Oh golly gee thanks for saving our skin there Jin. That plan was stupid" they knew they'd die they probably wanted to die. The code remember? The most shallow point i can make or literal depending how you look it it the outfit you get for the kill ending "righteous punishment".
For me, Jin is not a bad guy, rather a radical figure, specifically The Ghost. A face the common folk has never seen before, that during the worst times for the island, he was there when none other couldn't, he defeated the enemie by any means necessary, showing that without a code, there was a chance, there was still hope for Tsushima, even if it meant losing it's honor. And what kind of noble wants that? To let the common citizen knows he doesn't need to stay quiet while you rule them? If there's a figure out there proving even the mightiest of enemies can be taken down by "vile" means, why they should just let you rule instead of deciding it for themselves? Jin is a problem for Japan because his whole personna in Tsushima goes against their way of living, and by such, he must be taken down. Though unfortanely, that would probably just turn him into a martyr
I get your argument for Jin sparing Shimura, however I think Jin sparing him would be more cruel than not since he knows that Shimura was ordered to kill him. Since Shimura was ordered to kill Jin, the Shogun are expecting him to either kill Jin or die during the fight. Failure to do one or the other would make him a traitor to the Shogun. It's likely that they will execute him or make him commit seppuku. Even if that wasn't the case, he would have likely been stripped of any position or titles he had and would be forced to live as a peasant. So no matter what, Clan Shimura has ended, and Shimura himself cannot return to the life he once had, if he even has a life afterward anyway. This adds even more weight to Jin's evolution into the Ghost. He isn't just throwing away his own honor and reputation, he brought his uncle down with him. So if it were me, least one could do is give Shimura what he wants, which is an honorable death. Shimura has no family, he was forced to fight the man he once saw as a son. Basically he has nothing. He will end up with nothing Yes he is a slave to the samurai code, but he has literally nothing else. In just a short span of time, his entire world crumbled before him. So I see Jin not as somebody who wants to be cruel or dishonorable for the sake of being dishonorable. After all, he went down this path to save his people, and will have likely saved many such people during his journey. These are honorable actions, even if his methods aren't always honorable in the eyes of the samurai. So I would wager that Jin isn't against the idea of honor itself, but rather the specific implementation of the bushido code he lived by. Perhaps something could be said that he could have compromised somehow, but that would mostly just be speculation. We know that the Shogun saw him as a threat because he was teaching the peasants to help themselves and not rely on the Samurai, even if Jin played "the good samurai" as best as he could, he would likely end up on their radar as a political threat. And tbf, Shimura did have a point. Jin defied authority to achieve his results, and therefore might not have been able to prevent an uprising since the peasants learned how well that worked. It's likely that Jin would have been targeted no matter what, and if wanted to play "the good samurai" he would have made himself a tool of the Shogun. That battle against Shimura therefore would have ended with Jin dead. BTW I think it's interesting how Jin using fear as a weapon is seen as evil, when one of the most heroic comic book characters (Batman) uses Fear and is considered a paragon. Of course, Batman doesn't typically kill, but the idea there is that by striking fear in the hearts of criminals, he is deterring them and others from committing further crimes. He's even turned Scarecrow's toxin on him before, and this resulted in Scarecrow being absolutely terrified. Jin of course goes much further in how he uses fear, like beheading an enemy in front of their allies. But in reality his tactics actually weren't far off from actual samurai. In fact most of the masks that are work are designed to invoke fear in their enemies. Even if he does kill his enemies, fear does encourage some enemies to flee. Is it better to kill some and scare the others away or fight without invoking fear and kill everybody. IMO, if one wants to minimize bloodshed then perhaps scaring away enemies would be a good way to do so. Also, some of the assassination abilities arguably are quicker than fighting outright. The enemies would likely die a quicker and less painful death that way.
something i love about this game is how its clear that jin feels conflicted about compromising his bushido, but at the same time he recognizes that extreme times call for extreme measures, if anything jins struggle to accept this about himself yeild to the idea that the mongol invasion was 100% the fault of the jitto assuming their enemy to be the same, in short, the samurai way is a detriment to its people in the face of an invasion of forces that dont care about your customs.
Shadow of war is kind of like this too. The more you upgrade your skills you become more and more of a monster to the point that you realize you're a demon way before you become a nazghul
Definitely the best part of this game. It doesn’t try to inject the characters with a modern sense of morality. They’re very much a product of their time, even Jin to the extent that (after everything he has been through) he quickly becomes proud to parade around dismembered opponents to instill fear in the enemy.
Hey there people!
2 quick things:
1. I didn't add spoiler warnings in this video. I entirely forgot that the PC community just got this game and potentially did not know the story yet. I will try to keep this in mind for future videos (or at least I will attempt to)
2. If you enjoyed this video, do you want me to cover the DLC? It explores Jin's past. If yes do say so with a comment
Update: The second video covering the DLC is up! Go check it out!
I would love to see the DLC honestly.
Yes, cover the dlc when you get the chance.
Icl I killed Lord Shimura because that fight was so annoying man
Would love that absolutely , thank you dude ^_^
Glad I seen this I haven't beaten it so I won't watch
“You have no honour”
“And you are a slave to it”
Gave chills
Even after replaying the game 3 times that line makes me shiver
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Honour died on that beach
"I have no honor... but I will not kill my family."
@@Zennethe The ghost will be hunted for the rest of his days
"Honour died on the beach..." the way the actor delivers it will always give me chills. Great video by the way
thank you! and yea the actor is so perfect.
I really hope we get that sequel and the movie is good
@@ItsHawx movie?! WHEN? HOW? And yes i wish for a secuel too, i want to see what will happends with jin and what is the destiny of lord shimura (i want to see if my choice to spare him is cannon)
@@Poja_0811 Director of John Wick Chapter 4 announced that he is working on a movie adaptation of GoT in 2021. Last we heard (like half a year or so ago) the movie is in "deep production" but will not release any time soon
@@ItsHawx FFFFFFFFFFFU-
@@ItsHawx WAIT WHAT WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SERIOUS THERE IS A MOVIE
Jin is not the Bad guy, he did want he could to minimise harm to his people and force out the invaders. Jin was completely justified, His Uncle however is not, he was willing to send his people into the meat grinder for no reason, and that's pretty evil.
Jin leaned too hard into his methods though in ways that made them sometimes backfire. When he snuck into Castle Shimura and discovered the Mongol trap that would have killed Shimura’s men if they attacked the bridge, instead of reporting back or doing something like prematurely blowing up the explosives to leave a massive opening, he continued with the poison plan for his own vengeance and eventually the Mongols would use this poison against Tsushima. Had Jin not let his emotions overwhelm him, he could have reported back to Shimura about the trap and while Shimura is honor bound, he won’t willing go into a trap if he knows it’s there. So they can probably reach a compromising strategy. Perhaps sending Jin and some other men along the side route to set off the Mongol explosives and attack the Mongol flank before sending in the main force. Both characters were blinded by their own ideologies. And it got the better of both of them.
@@kaijuslayer3334jinn honed these methods and used them successfully as the Mongols were repelled
@@kaijuslayer3334Jinn literally did worn shimura but he didn’t listen, so jinn snuck in, to take back castle shimura and help his uncle raise an army
@@kaijuslayer3334his poison was used successfully against the mongols, doesn’t matter if it backfired, most people died and yet the mongols were repelled
@@kaijuslayer3334again, jin literally warned him about the trap. If shimura not let his emotions overwhelm him and listened to jin then he wouldn’t send his people into a trap
So apparently the wind is jins father guiding him as a spirit. If thats true, that means his dad agrees with his methods
Yea they outright state that he is the wind at his back, more in a metaphorical sense but you get the idea
@@ItsHawx ngl that's pretty cool
And the bird is his mother
@@MegaPokefan97 wait really?
There is a conversation between Jin and Yuriko (the old lady who looked after Jin in his childhood), he assumes that his father would not approve of the Ghost because of all the killings and the lack of honor and Yuriko tells Jin that his father was very open minded about achieving victory by any means necessary and how his ways of thinking and acting got him in a lot of heated arguments with Lord Shimura. In my opinion Jin's father would probably agree and even encourage him.
I literally laughed when Jin was like "I am no thief" while i was pillaging all the supplies and parishables
It's not thievery if the owners are dead.
What about when you steal from a camp? @@carminescurse
@@Fatal_Error_san5extended borrowing
@@carminescursegrave robbing
Hahaha soo true
The Samurai, especially lord Shimura, maintain this nebulous concept of honor in order to stay in power. They, having the best training and weaponry, enforce head-to-head combat so they always come out on top. The outsiders, mongols, care not for it and immediately crush them. Jin is a revolutionary. A terrorist to one side, and a liberator to another. He's not at all evil, but not good either. He's what's needed.
Precisely
TBF, most of the Samurai weren't afraid to use "dishonorable" tactics, but they didn't openly flaunt it because they needed the peasantry to believe they needed them
@@chrisdiokno5600yeah, Jin has a line "Unfitting for a Samurai, but effective" when using thrown Kunai. Even though historically samurai were not above using concealed, thrown weaponry such as shuriken
He’s the middle ground between a code of proclaimed honor and doing what is merely needed for survival. Excellently worded and articulated my friend! 🖤
Jin Sakai’s journey was a very long, yet intensely brutal journey beyond the point of no return.
@@louiesatterwhite3885 Yup
The Spirit of Yarikawa said it best: No one survived. This is a land of ghosts...
Today we have ppl who believe others are npcs
Back then we had ppl who believe others are ghosts
😂
Starving, poor, wretched refugee rescued by Jin: “Take this…it’s ALL I HAVE…” Jin: *yoink* (Rides off)
LOL
Are you Japanese, do you understand the culture and what giving a gift means to them let alone rejecting one?
If you reject the payment or gift it’s very offensive in Japanese culture.
I think the joke is how the person isn’t even thanked for the gift and Jin is not even surprised at receiving one. It’s like he just expects people to gift him no matter what.
@@damianmorningstar3150idk why it didn’t tag you but that message above was replying to your comment
Jin is a hero to the common folk of Tsushima, a terrifying monster to the mongols, and a rogue traitor to the Samurai
Basically this video is about the "Evil Paradox". Here's a quote, "What do you do if there is an evil you can not defeat with just means. Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil. Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if that means surrendering to evil." - lelouch vi britannia
That is one of the dumbest things I ever heard and I heard a lot of dumb shit in my life. If you want to destroy evil than you won't do anything evil because that's just counter productive to what you want to accomplish. What you should do is make sure the evil dosn't spread, help as many people as possible get away from the evil and lock it in a place till you can destroy it. Acting like you can only fight with it right now or let them do evil is such a stupid thing that I'm not suprised the guy is fucking french. Only one of those frog eaters could say something so fucking stupid. Evidently some toxins from the froga got to his fucking brain because I refuse to belive someone can be so fucking stupid as to think of such a question and think it's a moral problem.
Here is the problem with this ethos, if the "EVIL" was a massive roided guy beating a child, and you can't beat him in a fight, do you shoot him or just continue letting him beat the child?
Philosophy might sound clever at first but usually falls apart when put into practice
@@ChemDuke7 What you are saying does not apply to the evil paradox. You just shoot him (or use any form of weapon), and save the child. That's justice not evil.
@@allanvang5056 it makes perfect sense, someone is perpetrating evil, to kill is evil, stop the evil or let it happen....
It's the exact same
@@ChemDuke7 Killing is not evil, it is objective. Base on your logic, Its like saying "We shouldn't kill Hitler and the Nazis. Were the good guys, so lets just watch and let them kill all the jews!", is nothing more moronic idealism because the world is not black and white.
Jin basically became the first shinobi or ninja although one could say given what is seen in the Iki Island expansion: His father was basically the Prototype ghost except instead of being stealthy he was brutal in open battle and with the implication that the wind that leads Jin both in directions (and even in ghost stance towards a enemy) being his father’s spirit, something tells me that Jin sakai’s dad agrees with the Ghost.
Is there a difference between shinobi and ninja? And if so what is the difference?
Cannot wait to actually play the Iki Island expansion
@@ItsHawx shinobi and ninja are different terms but still mean the same thing.
@@ItsHawx if I remember right Ninja is the occupation and Shinobi is a male ninja, with konuchi (think I missed spelled that) being the term for a female ninja.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 Thank you for the clarification
@@ItsHawx Technically shinobi and ninja are the same. Though ninjas are usually mercenaries if you want someone to infiltrate or assassinate. While the shinobi is a samurai who is trained in the ways of the ninja, but is still a samurai, not a mercenary. Real samurai actually use stealth tactics. These samurai who use these tactics are shinobi.
Something interesting about Jin is that throughout the game he falls back onto his beliefs as a kid young Jin said to him Honor was fighting for those that can’t fight for themselves and in the end Jin was willing to do whatever it took to protect those that couldn’t fight back against the mongols
When you bow at Kazumasa's grave at Omi Village, the wind and leaves (your father essentially) embrace you, even after you kill Lord Shimura, and lose all sense of honor.
Not to cheapen the moment, but that happens with any non-mongol grave
They run away because they can die😂😂 just because they are evil it dont mean they brave! Jin is a good guy!
Jin is not only a good guy, he is a great guy.
@ItsHawx, just because you are bad guy does not mean that you are bad guy
@@Hitikuroyeah like Jackie Estacado from the Darkness
He is neither neither he is a ghost
I think this game is great at showing how war can changes one’s way of thinking. Jin really said “fuck honor I’m going for a kill steak”
When does he get the M.O.A.B.?
"Terror is not the weapon of the samurai". Dude, you're wearing helmets with demon faces attached to them.
Well... in the game not a single one of the samurai wear an oni mask
@@Coalproductionsfilmnigga that's Cap...Jin dad literally had a oni mask on when he got killed loo
@@CoalproductionsfilmJin's Father?
@@doodlehates_uttp living*
@@Coalproductionsfilm I see
A lot of games where the bad guy is kinda in the right, too. You get halfway through and think “hey, this antagonist is making a lot of sense”
I feel like it was in the 2010s where a lot of edgy games came out where the villains had a point
Honestly though villains with a point are the best
I love how much respect the game has for Mongol customs and culture and how despite how awful some of the things the Khan does are, he does make true on his word of kindness and respect to those who join. He's not right and he's still monstrous in his actions, but that underlying kindness and honesty do make him a much more compelling villain.
you can make the argument that jin respected shimura enough to give him an honorable death kinda like a “this is the last time” moment
True, there is still a mutual respect and love between the two of them.
I honestly cannot say that either ending is less canon than the other. Both make sense and are in character
Only the sequel can say what the true ending is
@@ItsHawx it felt like the right ending though. Giving Lord Shimura the honorable death he deserves, or let him live in disgrace.
@@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750 If Jin is dishonorable, the dishonorable thing to do is to not kill his uncle in the duel and just walk away, because at the end of the day, he still loves his uncle.
I personally chose to spare his uncle. I feel it's more in character for Jin. As the game progresses, Jin has slowly diverted away from the honor code. He even said "Honor died on that beach". This line feels like Jin has fully embrace the Ghost identity and has abandoned his samurai identity. Sparing his uncle made it seems like a statement. Stating that Jin Sakai no longer has honor, he is no longer a slave to it, so he for once has the choice to either follow the code for the last time, or fully abandon it. Though this is not the best ending, but I feel it's more fitting with Jin Sakai.
@@norispade32 i think both ending fit jin almost perfectly
One thing about the ending choice, jin gave ryuzo an honorable death, despite his betrayal, because he knew that everything ryuzo did was in service of the people he cared for, regardless of his own feelings, the same internal battle jin is fighting, and also partly because he cares for his childhood friend. So i dont believe jin's honor, or lack there of, is the determining factor of whether or not to kill shimura, but whether or not he believes shimura defended his people to the best of his ability, therefore earning the warrior's death
Or alternatively whether or not he is willing to kill his own father, Lord Shimura in a sense is a Slave To Honor. Lord Shimura didn't want to do this hence why he replies to Jin Stating "Taking it is my punishment!" He is ashamed of what he's about to do... But instead of just killing Jin, he gives Jin a chance to defend himself, spending their final day in peace... Before war! This is what ultimately made me decide to spare him regardless of the outcome. This wouldn't have been a Warrior's death, not that Lord Shimura didn't deserve a Warrior's death, but that it just.. wasn't his time, and certainly not by what is essentially his son of all people. If he was to die, he should've died at Komoda, not here, not by my hands. Not just that, but despite everything Jin had done this is the only time Young Sakai ever fights another Samurai outside of Friendly Duels or Self Defense... Actually scratch that there was that rouge Faction at the end of the Mosako Story Arc but besides those. This is the only time he actually fights an Actual Samurai, and he doesn't use his tools, he doesn't use anything but his skills. I just couldn't bring myself to finish it.
4:37 here while i was playing this section i immediately noticed the goal was written as “stab the mongol in the back" not something like “ assassinate the target or something like that" this line added much depth to jin's character for me as he was a proud warrior but now he have to take the unhonourable or disgraceful path to save his uncle
I noticed that too but I saw that someone had used that point in their review too so I didn't include it here cuz people would say "I stole content" :(
@@ItsHawx no problem brother at least people that will see this comment will notice
*"It takes to do evil to save the better good. And it takes a good man to take the fall"*
Where is this quote from?
@@ItsHawx A version of something I saw lol But the quote still stands, just "my" version of it.
Edit: meaning I don't remember the source
I can't believe you Senator Armstrong'd me :(
@@ItsHawx Well it seems the quote is more true and evil now when it comes to this point lol.
@@ItsHawxMY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE F**K UP
Jin did what his foolish uncle would never do. His uncle was plauged by a false sense of "honor". Jin is the necessary evil that Tsushima didnt want, but the evil they NEEDED. Without jin, the Island wouldve been razed and scorched to the ground. Sure, jin did some bad things to get rid of the mongols, but once again, Tsushima stood no chance of survival without jin abandoning his samurai honor. After all, honor is useless when you're dead
I'm quite sure tsushima did want jin, the people who didn't want the ghost was the samurai
I mean thinking from the mongol side they were in the process of becoming the greatest ever when they took all of china and then had eyes on Tsushima maybe even Japan.
Well they most def had their eyes on japan
Iirc historically they wanted to use Tsushima as an FOB to invade the mainland
@@ItsHawx yeah but I wouldnt blame them since Japanese military leaders never really believed the mongols would come to attack them directly again under kubalai Khan and Genghis Khan had his reasons but I think the invading mentality started with kubalai Khan .
It honestly baffles me how, historically, the shogunate expected a few skirmish battles. Like bro they are invaders, not a hostile samurai clan I think their conquest is a bit more serious
"A man rode in that night...and a Vengeful spirit returned"
That goes just as hard as "Honor died on the beach."
Oh thank you watching until the very end!
@ItsHawx i learned from Garand Thumb that its worth watching until the end...
And from comedic ADHD videos lol.
I love the game and the character but I find it funny that Jin is after thieves and bandits the whole time but proceeds to take everyone’s linen and supplies and wind chimes 😂
Samurai habits die hard I suppose 😂
“You have no honor”
“And you are a slave to it”
One of the best lines, if not
It hails back to the question Jin was asked as a young adult. What is the job of a samurai. Jin felt it was to protect the weak. For his uncle to was about always acting with honour. His uncle wasn't willing to compromise his honour even it meant people died. Jin was willing to compromise his honour because saving lives was more important.
Maaan I love this game
You can see that Shimura is at the same time a slave to honor, but also truly concerned with Jim's path
Jim is not wrong to forsake "honor" when it comes to actually save lives
They are at an impossible situation with no clear and easy answer
Also, the "Spare" ending is probably one of the best endings ever in gaming
Jim💪🏻💪🏻
You say not everything can be seen in black and white, but there is literally a game mode that makes everything black and white
ah ah ah black, white AND RED
But you win this time....
Ghost of Tsushima conveys really well what revenge is actually like for someone who has lost everything, none of that empty crap hollywood tends to peddle where the people go all regretful and emo after achieving their vengeance, or reconsider halfway through to just move on and let the people who harmed them get away with it to further harm others in the same way. If you have been harmed by others to this extend you crave revenge more than anything else, to the point that everything else becomes a secondary issue, you become stronger and more dedicated than you have ever been to achieve it, and if it works as you envisioned it you are thrilled, Norio getting revenge in his tale was a good representation, that man would achieve what he set out to do and no sane person would stand in his way. Only after finishing that chapter of your life can you hope to move on with it and build something new for yourself.
The only problem I have is that this game is an extreme case of black and white to any sane human being, q clear cut case of right and wrong, to rational and idiotic. This is because the mongol invaders are all presented as subhuman animals in this game who all deserve the ghosts wrath and then some, while Shimura is undeniably a weak minded fool who is all too eager to throw everyones life away because he is too cowardly to do what must be done for the good of Tsushima, even after seeing that the mongols basically began to genocide and burn the earth, losing to them would have meant extiction for the population of Tsushima.
I personally would have enjoyed it more had Jin been given an actual reason to struggle with his transition into the ghost and his actions, something that went further than him being brainwashed with this idiotic bushido code crap as a child that no samurai in real life ever gave two shits about during war anyway as to avoid the fate of the samurai in this game. As it was in this game though, only a complete fool would feel any pity for any of the mongol characters, or any of the traitors aiding them in their atrocities, or Shimura who would have kept throwing his soldiers into the meat grinder to lose the war, the same man who wanted to kill Jin for winning the war despite Shimura himself being a heavy beneficiary of the ghosts actions.
Well said
I genuinely don’t understand how this video isn’t more popular. This man broke down the mentality of many main characters and described the psychological story of this game, all while being able to keep me engaged and yet it still only has 35 thousand views?
I appreciate the sentiment! Though I am already happy with the performance of this video. I didn't even expect it to reach 1k views, let alone 30k+
Also Kazumasa Sakai was what irl samurai were like in battle, brutal and ruthless along with killing civvies, in short Samurai were not that completely honorable but makes sense cause its survival or fighting for life when in battle.
Edit: Except the civilian offing but that was common in times like that.
I honored Shimura's wishes, because it would prevent him from suffering a worse end.
To spare him is to stubbornly stick to your principles, knowing it will cause suffering for others. I think refusing his request is to repeat his mistake.
But there a good arguments for both choices, a testament of the quality of the writing.
I still don’t understand how this wasn’t the game of the year
Yeah it was way better than dog shit last of us 2 but i guess in terms of game play and details last of us 2 was better
@@rohamebrahimi7844 it was better in terms of agenda
The beauty of the game is how it leaves it up to you to decide whats justifiable or not
Shumira: "Noooo you must be honorable!"
Kazumasa: "Do em dirty in front of they dad!"
Wait, shouldn't it be do em dirty in front of they child, considering how he died
Jin is a hero. He just has to do what he has to do, and he's mercyless, but he's always helping the innocent and weak
"A man rode in that night. And a vengeful spirit returned."
As hard of a line as "Honor died on the beach." this line of yours goes just as hard. Well done!
I waited 4 years for the game to come on PC and it was well worth the wait, absolutely fantastic game with a great story.
What scares me is if got 2 releases it will take more than 6 years for me to play on pc. 🥲
The fact that Shimura was willing to blame yuna to save face shows that he doesn't care about actual honor, just everyones perception of his honor
Well yes and no, Samurai's obligation was to his lord. That fact that his disregard his lord is considered unhonorable
Interesting video. I disagree completely but see where you are coming from. To me he just did whatever needed to be done to free the island from the invaders.
If anything I'd say he is too nice: a samurai lord who makes no demands of the peasantry, and is so unintimidating they don't even offer any assistance in gathering the resources he needs to restock weapons.
For a large part of the game he's kind of a superhero lackey running chores for the needy and expecting nothing useful in return.
Yea I do agree he is somewhat idealized, hence the section where I added the wikipedia excerpt where it stated that the samurai used their status to essentially take advantage of people
@@ItsHawxI don't think he was idealised. The cutscenes portray him as a conflicted character but the gameplay makes him a bamboo farmer who has no authority over any of his serfs
The game makes him out to be someone who sees himself on the same level as his people. Compare that to how knights/samurai/any other protector of a people actually was he is somewhat idealized
Somewhat idealised sounds ok-ish to me, but not entirely lol .
Honestly I'd rather he was more of a feudal monster who doesn't have to pick up his own yew twigs and who inspired his people through terror, but that's not something AAA games would take a punt on @@ItsHawx cheers
That does sound like a damn cool idea
And yea Triple A is too "safe" for such themes
Part of what made the story so interesting to me was just how hypocritical even the most honourable warriors could get. You're supposed to look your opponent in the eye before you kill them, but then using bows is fine? That seems contradictory tbh. Shimura sparing a thief going against the orders of the Shogun? When Goro was delivering the Letter to the Shogun, Shimura allows Jin to use the Hwacha. Asking Jin to sell out someone that genuinely helped with Castle Kaneda and Castle Shimura just to save his own skin? It all seems to be more lip service sometimes than actual practice
I dont think Mongols needed to be tought archery... but it is cool that they included this story point in gameplay.
Yeah, that bothered me too. Because in reality, archery, mainly their horse archers WAS what made the Mongols so terrifying. I waa honestly bumped why the game never had Mongol world bossess who roamed around on horseback. Who you could only beat with archery.
He and Miyamoto Musashi have a lot in common when it comes to going against samurai tradition; That's definitely someone he should come across and learn from in the sequal,
The video game was awesome through-and-through one of the best I've seen and played thus far, (next to red dead redemption 2) keep up the good work sucker punch; As far as the character of jin sakai goes I do not consider him a hypocrite or a tratior to honor at all, He continued to show himself to be the most honorable, more so than his uncle due to the fact that he valued innocent lives more than the need to appease the rigid dogma of the bushido code for the sake of his uncle and the shogun, they were facing an enemy that was using their code against them to take over the land and the people and jin saw no other choice but to break away from that in order for his people and his country to survive the murderous onslaught of the mongols, Thus it forced him down a path that he was Initially resistant to but ultimately embraced for the good of everyone Which in turn has made him a beloved living legend among his people as well as tsushima's very own japanese zorro, He may have sacrificed and lost everything because of the harsh choices he was forced to make, but he also gained a whole lot more from his willingness to sacrifice and lose everything for the greater good of all and he for a video game character has my utmost respect for that.
His uncle however is the villain of his own story because he was willing to sacrifice an innocent woman like jin's friend yuna to the shogun and blame the poisoning of the mongols on her; something a man of honor should never do, so I personally don't care about lord shimura's pain, he deserves it and what better way for him to suffer more than to be spared and live with the humiliation of having his own nephew and "son" go on to become a better person and greater legend than him, the shogun and the entire class of the samurai. LONG LIVE THE GHOST!!! 🔥💯😉😁👍
Is no one gonna talk about the soundtrack of GoT?, this game has one of the best, if not, THE best soundtrack I have ever listened to, each song can match the exact mood and enhance the emotion of every scene in this game. The brawl music during the first minuite and a half in “The Way of the ghost” OST, then when Jin has to either kill of spare him, the sadness and the vocals step in. This game has single-handedly made me shed a tear in the end of the game, because of joy from this game, but also the ending.
Shimura was a fool. Jin was more like the historical samurai than he was. I would argue that Jin was more honorable as he defended the lives of not only the samurai but also the people they looked down their noses at.
Jin isn't evil. His motives were completely justified. He had the skills and shinobi techniques necessary to save the people of Tsushima and reduce needless deaths, unlike Shimura, who sent his own dudes into the meat grinder for no reason.
Jins' actions and motivations are justifiable, understandable, effective, and most importantly, worked. He beat Khotun Khan and saved Tsushima. His enemies may fear him, but the people idolise him. He's the Batman of Tsushima.
Jin isn't evil.
Yup wholly agree. With one exception. I think Jin is a better character than Batman
Ghost is my favourite game of all time for the same reason that the Batman was my favourite movie of 2022: In our world, the only way to truly defeat evil is by being able to understand evil, and to understand evil, you must be part evil yourself. Ie, to defeat a monster, you must become one.
I like to think that Jin is like a japanese version to Zorro. Both use stealth tactics, fight invaders, and are persecuted by their goverment, but have the support of the people. Zorro is literally fox in spanish. And foxes are really important in Ghost.
But honestly, Jin tactics just works against the mongols. The Shogun should have recruited Jin to use his legend as a way to keep invaders of Japan and put their faith on his rule.
“Taught the Mongols archery”
I always thought that was funny.
Which is why i loved thus game so much. Jin is the hero of his own story but the villain of everyone elses
My god a person who got saw the game in the exact same way I did! Hoooooooly shit
One nitpick though he was the villain to everyone but himself and the common folks of tsushima
I really like this video because I would love for more videos about the masterpiece that is Ghost of Tsushima keep it up
If enough people express the desire for it I may make a video on the DLC
Please do!
so far only 3 have expressed interest. not quite sure if people are too keen on it
MASSIVE respect to u when u tried to bow to Taka even tho the game wouldn’t let u, first thing h did was try to bow 👍
He was a good boy. It was only right to at least respect his courage in some way
Also I did not expect anyone to notice that
Imagine Jin’s mythic tale is about a samurai warrior who died at Komoda beach and came back as a ghost and the reward is the ghost stance
"Jin decides that lord shimura is being cringe" is fire
I like jin portrayed as force of nature, or equivalent reaction.
The mongols invade and kill the samurai, he shall avenge their honor. Then they start torturing them and doing other horrible things. That is when the ghost awakens. Only someone as vile as the mongols deserve the wrath of the ghost.
In the beginning, you say that Jin Sakai wants his revenge, and that is what tears apart his identity. I, however, always saw his identity breaking over his desire to free and save the people of Tsushima. The issue being that the pride and honor of a Samurai are so rigid that the mongols can use it to their advantage.
I'm not trying to be a dick or nothing. Ghost of Tsushima is probably my favorite game, and is the best story!
I played as a Samurai for ages and ages (no sneaking) because of the pressure from the family expectations. That’s good storytelling that is!
Really great game.
Man I enjoyed the editing 😂
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words!
I have never given two shits about digital creatures, until that damn horse. I actually felt that one. Both love and hate when a game dose this to me.
Honestly same. Idk how since Nobu never really did more than transport me around. I don't understand why it was so much more impactful
Hmmm probably cause the horse got more ninja skill than jin, and the fact you use the horse a bed from time to time. And now that I'm replaying it, I also noticed when he'll comfort you when you do the questionable stuff. All in all good side kick animal.imho
Bro hit us with the funky town spinning bread
We both picked black Nobu! That scene made me actually cry
ghost, you truly are the jin sakai of tsushima
fermented horse milk is good, well it does need an aquired taste but good
What does it taste like?
One interaction that change it all for me was with the side quests, Ishikawa towards the end tells you to not be consumed by the Ghost like he was consumed by the Demon Sensei, he lost it all due to that, Same with Adachi, at her end there was nothing left, only pain, so when the ending came around I chose to kill Lord Shimura to at the very least preserve a little of the identity of Jin before the Ghost, though it felt as if regardless of choice I was wrong
In simple words "If you want to defeat the evil, you have to become a bigger evil."
I interpreted this differently. You have to understand in war there is no good or evil. These are simply perspectives
4:50 basically he went from samurai to ninja
Inside me there are two wolves
One wants to spare Shimura because it feels like the moral thing to do
The other wants the white color pallete you get for killing him because bling is king
"And others clearly too zooted to move" has got to be one of the funniest things I've heard in a while! 😂
Also, this is a fucking incredible video my dude. Probably one of the best videos on RUclips I've seen in a while. That was entertaining and really really interesting and your voice and accent are pleasant to listen to, phenomenal job, honestly! You definitely earned another subscriber today!
the horse DESTROYED me.
Its a story of tradition and adaptation, combined with the story of loss and the story of revenge from all sides all characters you come across all suffer the same fates in different degrees.
Jin have grown during the war, and he know better what to do and how
I absolutely love the combat in ghost of tsushima which is why i usually never use stealth cause its just so much fun squabbling with the mongols. Fun fact: anything that does not have a long range attack will not attack simultaneously. Usually if youre fighting three or more sword guys only one will ever attack at one time, this helps when youre going for these precious precious perfect parries.
To Jin himself he didn’t lose any honor, honor to him meant helping people who can’t help themselves. He did exactly that the entire game
Kinda saw this game as a game where you play as a ninja, but once I actually got to play it…. Even though that is basically what he becomes (well depending on how you decide to play the game i guess) I like the journey Jin goes through, struggling with trying to keep his samurai way but slowly bending and breaking those rules until he essentially becomes one of the first ninjas in the ghost
The dlc is great as well, showing how his father was not a hero to strive towards but in fact was just as bad to the people of Iki as the Mongols were to Tsushima(and Iki now as well). It was a great story of him shedding his last remaining doubts of what he became and severing his guilt about failing his father for not dying alongside him in battle. He even befrinds(kind of) his father's killer and fights alongside him to save Iki Island.
19:15 The Sakai clan was dissolved, so these were the last words of the clan
THAT is why I loved Jin as a character. Sacrificing his honour and family for his country. Similar to Big Boss from MGS:SE. Shimura believes you can win AND retain your honour, but Jin sees the losing battle and his love for Tsushima and its people outweighs tradition. Ryuzo is everything hated but something necessary.
It’s one thing to have the protagonist do all the stuff the bad guy does through the game.
It’s another for the bad guy to LEARN from the protagonist.
I know right? The fact that they believed "Oh shit we are falling behind" because of him using poison just goes to show what an insane amount of respect Jin has gathered
Jin Sakai is not evil, it's not so black and white, he's morally challenged every step of the way, but he's still loyal to the people of Tsushima, not evil, not good, he's just on their side, a perfect antihero
This story is perfect to be told in a video game as most people I've spoken to played this game depending on where they were in the story
The dialogue in the game where jin was going to the pyre of his father. The lady tells him that "Your father is the winds at your back. Your mother is the birds in tge trees"
That reminded of the wind direction which leads him to his every action. The golden bird who leads jin to vairous shrines.
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i still think there should have been version of the game where we kill Khotun Khan at the bridge and follow the samurai way to clear the island with many other bosses in various territories of various clan but still i appreciate the game but i am more like lord Shimura who would have followed the Honor cause i believe that if someone breaks or goes against out honor doesn't mean we have to go against it too.
When you win war alone just to be called bad guy
If you don't want to read this whole thing, kill ending better story wise, made me cry like when the horse died, white outfit dye is better than the stupid ugly red dye.
The spare ending isn't as good as the kill ending. I was sad fighting shimura and didn't want to kill him but when the choice was given it was the only one that made sense in my mind.
Like when I look at the two endings side by side it feels like one of them has a lot more effort in it, and it's definitely the kill ending.
I know people use the "I have no honor" line as leverage, but he only says that in the spare ending. He accepts the duel and writes his final words in the first place.
I feel this duel isn't just punishment for shimura but Jin as well for the paths they've taken and each other's lives are the sacrifice they have to make to solidify the path they walk in life. I know "but Jin hasn't done anything wrong" but outside of sticking to the bushido code (and some casual class discrimination against yuma) what has shimura done to deserve having to kill jin? shimura's goal is the same as jin's. Defeat the mongols and save tsushima. At no point does any samurai go to Jin and be like, "Oh golly gee thanks for saving our skin there Jin. That plan was stupid" they knew they'd die they probably wanted to die. The code remember?
The most shallow point i can make or literal depending how you look it it the outfit you get for the kill ending "righteous punishment".
If you fight a demom for long enough, you become one.
For me, Jin is not a bad guy, rather a radical figure, specifically The Ghost. A face the common folk has never seen before, that during the worst times for the island, he was there when none other couldn't, he defeated the enemie by any means necessary, showing that without a code, there was a chance, there was still hope for Tsushima, even if it meant losing it's honor. And what kind of noble wants that? To let the common citizen knows he doesn't need to stay quiet while you rule them? If there's a figure out there proving even the mightiest of enemies can be taken down by "vile" means, why they should just let you rule instead of deciding it for themselves? Jin is a problem for Japan because his whole personna in Tsushima goes against their way of living, and by such, he must be taken down. Though unfortanely, that would probably just turn him into a martyr
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vanilla ice cream ON white bread???
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I get your argument for Jin sparing Shimura, however I think Jin sparing him would be more cruel than not since he knows that Shimura was ordered to kill him. Since Shimura was ordered to kill Jin, the Shogun are expecting him to either kill Jin or die during the fight. Failure to do one or the other would make him a traitor to the Shogun. It's likely that they will execute him or make him commit seppuku. Even if that wasn't the case, he would have likely been stripped of any position or titles he had and would be forced to live as a peasant. So no matter what, Clan Shimura has ended, and Shimura himself cannot return to the life he once had, if he even has a life afterward anyway.
This adds even more weight to Jin's evolution into the Ghost. He isn't just throwing away his own honor and reputation, he brought his uncle down with him. So if it were me, least one could do is give Shimura what he wants, which is an honorable death. Shimura has no family, he was forced to fight the man he once saw as a son. Basically he has nothing. He will end up with nothing Yes he is a slave to the samurai code, but he has literally nothing else. In just a short span of time, his entire world crumbled before him.
So I see Jin not as somebody who wants to be cruel or dishonorable for the sake of being dishonorable. After all, he went down this path to save his people, and will have likely saved many such people during his journey. These are honorable actions, even if his methods aren't always honorable in the eyes of the samurai. So I would wager that Jin isn't against the idea of honor itself, but rather the specific implementation of the bushido code he lived by.
Perhaps something could be said that he could have compromised somehow, but that would mostly just be speculation. We know that the Shogun saw him as a threat because he was teaching the peasants to help themselves and not rely on the Samurai, even if Jin played "the good samurai" as best as he could, he would likely end up on their radar as a political threat. And tbf, Shimura did have a point. Jin defied authority to achieve his results, and therefore might not have been able to prevent an uprising since the peasants learned how well that worked. It's likely that Jin would have been targeted no matter what, and if wanted to play "the good samurai" he would have made himself a tool of the Shogun. That battle against Shimura therefore would have ended with Jin dead.
BTW I think it's interesting how Jin using fear as a weapon is seen as evil, when one of the most heroic comic book characters (Batman) uses Fear and is considered a paragon. Of course, Batman doesn't typically kill, but the idea there is that by striking fear in the hearts of criminals, he is deterring them and others from committing further crimes. He's even turned Scarecrow's toxin on him before, and this resulted in Scarecrow being absolutely terrified. Jin of course goes much further in how he uses fear, like beheading an enemy in front of their allies. But in reality his tactics actually weren't far off from actual samurai. In fact most of the masks that are work are designed to invoke fear in their enemies.
Even if he does kill his enemies, fear does encourage some enemies to flee. Is it better to kill some and scare the others away or fight without invoking fear and kill everybody. IMO, if one wants to minimize bloodshed then perhaps scaring away enemies would be a good way to do so. Also, some of the assassination abilities arguably are quicker than fighting outright. The enemies would likely die a quicker and less painful death that way.
The Mongols doesn't deserve honor!
- Jin Sakai
Jin is a guerrilla fighter in a time when that was seen as cowardly in the Japanese world.
Lord Shimura: You're suppose to fight honorably.
Jin: That's cringe, bro.
something i love about this game is how its clear that jin feels conflicted about compromising his bushido, but at the same time he recognizes that extreme times call for extreme measures, if anything jins struggle to accept this about himself yeild to the idea that the mongol invasion was 100% the fault of the jitto assuming their enemy to be the same, in short, the samurai way is a detriment to its people in the face of an invasion of forces that dont care about your customs.
Shadow of war is kind of like this too. The more you upgrade your skills you become more and more of a monster to the point that you realize you're a demon way before you become a nazghul
Khan is not evil he spared people including jin and rewarded people for loyalty
I wasn't expecting to see some history buffs and lore readers in here, keep cooking
Definitely the best part of this game. It doesn’t try to inject the characters with a modern sense of morality. They’re very much a product of their time, even Jin to the extent that (after everything he has been through) he quickly becomes proud to parade around dismembered opponents to instill fear in the enemy.
nuanced stories are always just so much better