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Not a single man in sight to discuss an issue that predominantly impacts men of this country. How can these people be so full of themselves? I didn’t think it was possible.
When thousands of discussions related to women are taken by parliament full of majority of men, then you don't have a problem? Also, they have discussed the facts, so please counter on that!
@@sukritigupta2232yeah that’s why it’s a on going debate and reforms are taken like women reservation in parliament to increase participation of women . That’s why at least one men Should have been there .
@@sukritigupta2232Are you proud of this whatabouttery? At least women side could have initiated gender neutral panel for this condition and showed men discussing on female related problems requires female as well. But no, ego tussle.
Exactly! How can y'all - who had the luxury of time to discuss all nuances - could overlook such a basic checkpoint? I think we don't need more Rajdeep, Barkha, and Nidhi from the South. You lost me at "nose chopped off". I feel extreme cases shouldn't be used to justify something when we are here to discuss nuances. Because, that's what some bafoons are doing masquerading as men's right activists.
Trying so hard to defend women. It's sad. Can we not talk about men's rights without it becoming a conversation about women's rights. That's a separate conversation
@@kusumkumawat7168Did the patriarchal system ask for 3 chores from Atul Subash? Is the patriarchal system in the room with us? 🤦 But yes, the system is to blame. The system let a greedy horrible woman to kill a man through judicial process. The system needs to be changed.
As I commented to the original release, this is one sided conversation. Nobody is asking to repeal laws made to protect women but to make them gender neutral and sensitive to issues about the abuse of laws. Why the statistic about 70% of dowry cases being fake, as raised by NCRB, is not being spoken about. I would suggest Newslaundry to bring in lawyer Deepika Narayan Bhardwaj into this conversation. My expectation of The News Minute being neutral was not met unfortunately!
Atul’s murder is not just a case, a headline, or a statistic. It is a mirror held up to society’s failings, and the reflection is grim. The real issue lies in the biased systems that allow such injustices to fester. But to confront this would require courage-the courage to see beyond gender, to recognize pain as pain, to build confidence in individuals rather than handing out crutches that perpetuate dependency. Shame on you, News Laundry, and all who reduce human suffering to a convenient narrative. Atul deserved more than this; every individual does. Let us not betray their memory with platitudes and prejudice disguised as progress. Let us have the strength to seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient it may be.
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 The podcast’s rhetoric is riddled with platitudes like "all men are oppressors" or "patriarchy protects abusers." Such language, is an intellectual fraud-an evasion of nuanced thought. By framing every accused man as a villain, they destroy the individual’s right to be judged on facts, not gender. The women’s one-sided narratives serve their will to power, they gain influence and validation by casting themselves as eternal victims and silencing dissent. Unchecked biases lead to intellectual dishonesty and social injustice. Presumption of guilt based on identity is an affront to rational justice. Misused laws enslave the falsely accused to the mob’s unthinking accusations. this is "tyranny of collectivism." Their arguments reduce every individual man accused under 498A to a mere representative of "patriarchy," obliterating the concept of individual innocence or merit. Their vitriol stems from unexamined premises, that all men are guilty until proven innocent and that the system's flaws are inherently caused by the accused, rather than systemic misuse By what right does one person’s claim to victimhood erase another’s right to justice?”
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 their arguments are manifestation of the "blind will to accuse," driven by their personal resentments and unchecked emotionality rather than reason or justice. Their arguments rely on emotional appeals, cherry-picked anecdotes, and sweeping generalizations. They weaponize victimhood without acknowledging that laws must be just, not instruments of revenge.Their arguments are unphilosophical and dangerously indulgent of their biases.Protective laws are instituted to safeguard individuals from real harm. However, when these laws are used as tools for extortion or revenge, they pervert justice. A moral inversion, where the virtuous (those falsely accused) are punished to uphold the unearned claims of the accuser. Atul Subhash’s suicide is not just a personal tragedy; it is the symbolic collapse of a system that sacrifices the innocent to the unexamined whims of the collective.😥😥 Society's silence on this issue, especially from women's rights organizations, betrays a lack of compassionate will-a will informed by reason and empathy for all parties, not just the accusers.
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 Justice systems must recognize individuals as sovereign entities. Laws like 498A must protect the truly vulnerable without criminalizing the innocent. Society must reject narratives driven by unchecked emotional bias. Genuine empathy requires addressing the suffering of all.Establish equal safeguards for the falsely accused, including legal penalties for malicious prosecution and access to mental health resources.
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 I fully recognize the harsh grip of patriarchy in Indian society, trapping countless women in its oppressive hold. However, the solution to such injustice cannot be vengeance masquerading as justice. Mechanisms to address these wrongs must aim for fairness, not retribution, ensuring they protect without creating new victims. Justice must heal, not perpetuate harm.
For everyone to start watching this video. This is just defending the one who needs to be in prison. This comment will disappear but remember the truth is they just defend the criminal
This one single podcast gives me enough reasons why not to donate to this channel. Trivialising on men's mental health, suicide, indulging in whataboutery. Using garb of patriarchy to hide their prejudiced podcast panel, the irony !
I found myself drawn not just to the tragedy of the event but to the greater tragedy of the response it evoked. In a room full of voices, loud and insistent, the pain of Atul-the human, the individual-was silenced. Instead, what took center stage was an echo of tired ideologies and borrowed judgments, wielded by those who claim to champion empathy yet fail to practice it. These women, who posture as guardians of justice, hold no salve for wounds. They bear no solutions, only swords forged in the fires of their own grievances. Their arguments are sheathed not in wisdom, but in the brittle armor of victimhood. And when they speak of gender, it is not to bridge divides but to deepen them, reducing every human cry to a simplistic narrative: “Women suffer; men are to blame.” In a hypothetical world, if the distressed women they claim to defend were transformed into trees, would they still be so eager to champion their cause? No-because the essence of their advocacy is not the alleviation of pain, but the preservation of a gendered identity. The suffering remains, but it no longer serves their purpose. Such is the irony of their self-proclaimed mission. This is not the confidence of individuals secure in their beliefs; it is the hollow pride of those who shout the loudest to drown out their own doubts. Behind their masks of righteousness, how many families have they broken, how many lives have they derailed-all to conform to an ideology imported wholesale, without question or understanding?
This is exactly how u crush an initiative against intitutional insanity or social bias...... defame it.....bend it at ur will, to that extent that it looks like its nothing ......just people making noises......and then raise ur propaganda fuel it........this could be the tutorial point for many such aspiring feminists.
Please also provide statics of false cases of women falsely using these laws that were supposed to protect women. It might be relatively a small number but you should have mentioned it as this is the core of the allegations made by Subhash. I agree woman still are subject to violence, abuse and are suffering from social injustice and the number is much bigger than we see on the surface.
The thumbnail of this video is only to get views but in whole video the core problem (False Cases) is not being addressed. Why are you guys just discussing again men vs women but for God sake the main point is "False Cases". Who is denying the fact that the women are sufferer for a long time but here you should have discussed about only false cases. I don't know why these women think if people talk about mens issues and their recourses, women's laws might be diluted. No it's not. If according to all of you Laws shouldn't be gender neutral, don't you think such women must be punished who register false cases. False dowry cases, false rape cases, false pocso cases. When it comes to women empowerment, they want all sort of freedom, money from husband without doing job or work and when it comes to punishment in any false case they are treated as child. The biggest joke in india is "False Promise Of Marriage" in india a women have sex only on promise of Marriage otherwise they don't have pleasure while having sex and after years after years they called it rape. What a joke News ke Dhobiyo.
This discussion doesn't contain a single relevant point about why did he committed suicide and What are the causes of his suicide. If you think these laws are not totally women centric. Then tell me what he could have done differently to avoid committing suicide. What I have seen in these cases is there is no way for men to protect himself. And what I have concluded by seeing your discussion is true. You have not discussed a single point about those women who are using these laws wrongly. I have seen cases where women married to 10 men and have filed cases and demanded alimony and courts have granted them alimony...
Of course they make it a woman's issue rather than speaking about the case in hand. A man dies and it's a bunch of women discussing about this rather than bringing another man into the foray and asking him what his experiences are. It's like a contest for them cos god forbid they share some of their "victimization" currency.. It always goes like this in every society. Laws are framed for poor/under class women cos they're the big victims and they face the most oppression in society. Rich/ upper midde class women exploit it. Same rich/upper class women defend it. What a bunch of bullshit. These idiots have no idea how much soft power they have; or maybe they do.
@tteeevvcc5392 the whole world is taking Atuls stance....it's the first media to discuss the currently unpopular opinion.... I love the discussion Good Job news laundry.
I am impressed by the analysis of statistics of death of men by suicide and its comparison with women death's by suicide. And, I have patiently gone through the arguments by panelists. Although, I accept that whatever they are saying sounds rational in the society today, but I am afraid to say that people when they work for a long period of time in a given area are often stigmatized by their beliefs and observations. I would like to call out on the point of, "How family courts should be? the ambiance, lawyer free environment, etc". I do not claim to have as much experience as the panel has, but I myself and my family have been going through cases in family courts, session courts, especially, the Jaunpur Sessions Court (not Allahabad bribery related) that Atul Subhash talked about. I have appeared in front of the same judge and I could totally relate to his ordeal. Anyway, I am not here to discuss my personal crisis. 1. Regarding "How family court environment must be and their recommendations on the same". Coming back to the point, I wanted to call out the panelists on the discussion of "How family court environment must be and their recommendations on the same". Courtesy to these recommendations, at least I know of "Parivar Paramarsh Kendra" that have been established. And as far as my experience goes, do you have any idea that it is another racket that has been created?. Extortion in the name of mediation, blackmailing and other things that go on there. I think its time for people to not just discuss such issues on coffee table for both men and women sides but get back to real ground work. Who is there to check these systems? Just adding multiple layers in a system enhances complexity of the system. Why there is no conviction for women when there is a strong evidence of them perjuring before the court? I definitely concede women suffer a lot, but I do not agree with tilting the balance against the other side to return the favor, instead try to improve the condition of women. It may sound cliche, "but one persons wrong does not make other persons wrong right". 2. Regarding false charges and sections: I absolutely agree with the point that police and lawyers put up the false charges in the cases that eventually might not stand up in the court. But at the end of the day it is the person who signs on the statement. And this so called simple non-malice, harmless act of false charges that do not stand up in the court are good enough to punish a person and their family for years outside court putting up with trials and the mental agony that they go through. They are enough to destroy a persons career, their family and everything they love, and in some cases prove to be fatal.
Woow...i subscribed your channel for long time, when you have few thousand followers. I respected your independent journalism but today i am going to unsubscribe. This pannel is completed sick.
No men in the panel to put forward the nuances related to the other side! Seriously?? How can y'all - who had the luxury of time to discuss all nuances - could overlook such a basic checkpoint? I think we don't need more Rajdeep, Barkha, and Nidhi from the South. You lost me at "nose chopped off". I feel extreme cases shouldn't be used to justify something when we are here to discuss nuances. Because, that's what some bafoons are doing masquerading as men's right activists.
All the points discussed by panelist are completely right. Unfortunately the video title and subject have no relation as to ever to the discussion. Really sad to see feminism being brought in to this issue by newslaundry.
Such a shameful discussion! All they were concerned about, in the Atul Subhash's case, was how it is impacting the women rights movement. They blame others of projecting a narrative and making it men vs women, whereas they themselves couldn't discuss the pure facts of the case for a straight 1 minute, without bringing in their own biases. None of them were concerned even a bit about a life lost. These deaths are not just statistics, who is dying more or who is dying less, whether it is a man or a woman.
I wholeheartedly agree that far more women suffer in marriages than men and that we more or less still live in a patriarchal society in this country. That shouldn't stop us from looking at abuse of DV Law. Especially a growing number of educated & working women who themselves earn well like Nikita, still demand alimony. Please don't bring in the argument that only women do domestic work in such marriages, its simply laughable. I also fail to understand why these independent women continue to suffer in an abusive marriage instead of simply moving out and getting a divorce. Laws need to be amended to factor in these socioeconomic changes in our country. I'm very disappointed with newslaundry's shameful and biased coverage of this topic and will not renew my subscription.
A very unbiased informative podcast. I really loved listening u all . The best part for me is u try to tell source of information u got and trying to include all aspects of a topic . I comment rarely .
@@navitachauhan6194 In what way is it unbiased when you have no male panelist? They are trying to overlook the issue which needs to be addressed seriously
@@anthonycosta128 if u really believe male is mandatory for raising their issues . Then what u say under representation of female in all power positions . What about female issues ?? Society is running on both gender suffering... A man dead .... He is also a son to a female ... Just stop creating division on gender speaking . Just try to see a issue in every angle . Human sufferings are sufferings... Male or female.
When you are playing number games just let us know if crime against men by woman is even recorded and listed anywhere? Are all such crimes being reported? Why a simple call for gender neutral laws being twisted and presented as against the law or removal of laws itself?
Being A 23 Year Old Athletic Body I am Loving a 42 Year Old Women. She has a 16 Year Old Daughter .. She wants To Marry Me I also Love her But My Question is If She cheats on me by Filling divorce case on me being a 24 Year in 2025 Will be i liable to pay for her 17 Year Old Daughter till she Turns 18... My Career is Not even Started Yet If divorce is made will the law Support me or My Girlfriend whos 42 Year old.. She Basically Provide me And her Daughter basic Needs Expect i have clothes and i earn some cash...
Unsubscribing because of apathetic nature towards men's issues. It would be ironic on your part to expect men to support women's causes having such a biasenesss towards opposite gender.
While this is no doubt an interesting discussion, it did come across a one-sided representation of opinions/experiences. If you have a woman's right activist on the panel, there should be a men's right activist as well so that we hear both sides (a sensible one for a balanced discussion).
There are many silent sufferers like Atul Shubash who can not even ask for help anywhere? Many innocent men were murdered by their wives but their murdered wives are roaming freely because there is no law for men which make innocent men the voiceless victims many DV victims are male
@@anthonycosta128 what are you saying? Women can never be guilty! Its the lawyers who want bribe, so they put fake IPCs. Women can never do this heinous crimes. Ahh forget that it's so easy to google IPCs and sections of laws. (Sarcasm)
Comments from Men are so empty. This is what they are talking about that one case has generated so much sympathy for mwn being abused by women that people are now asking to abolish or dilute the laws. Here the panelists gave so many examples where men while going through divorce are abusing their wives. Women go through judgements, pain, suffering everyday and when a guy couldn't handle the pressure from a divorce proceedings he comitted suicide. Where does your anger go when women are burnt alive for dowry? Guess it is not that serious. That happens but god forbids when a man commits suicide!! All hell broke loose. He could have dome so many other things than what he actually did. Also, who will look after the child? And how much love that child would receive in this heartless world!!
Your comment isn't backed by some universal study either! How would you feel if a person held the banner of Men's Lives Matter in between thr RG Kar Protest! It would be Tone Deaf to say the least! That's the case here as well! They are treating the vitriol and Misgyny that thrown due to the case being in headlines! There was no actual discussion on the case otherwise that would've led them to the conclusion on the judiciary being incompetent! Treating Symptoms doesn't really cure the disease! The disease is the Incompetent Judicial Process whose victims are both men and women! And Please don't question a man on what he should've or shouldn't have done, when he was given 120 dates in a district court where neither he or the woman in question ever lived! All this was happening while he had to pay a ludicrous amount of CP and was being actively kept away from his child! Blaming him and pointing towards him to choose better is once again tone deaf! People lilke you with their single digit IQs have poisoned the well of sane thinking! Remember, that male protestors have always outnumbered the female ones irrespective of the gender of the Victim and the heinousness of the case! What do you think the outcome of women not showing up to support Atul would be? More Misogyny! You've just given ammunition to Misogynys to spread more Misogyny and pushed the silent Majority many steps back from the cause of Feminism! Just have some shame!
It seems you are not getting the point. People are not asking for dilution of laws and if anyone is then they are wrong and should be shunned. The demand is to make the laws gender neutral or at least little balanced. It's true that women are still not treated well at many places and women still have to face lots of problems but that should not nullify problems faced by men. Or should it? Tell me is it justified to drag an honest man to a court in a false case because a woman somewhere else was beaten by her husband? There are many women who commits suicide because of their husbands' abuse do you also blame the women in these situations for committing suicides or the husbands are to be blamed in these cases? Don't be impaired so much in your biases that you become blind to someone else's plight. All hell should break loose when someone commits suicide because of persecution by someone else, be it, male or female. If your outrage depends upon the gender of the person, then you are not even at the position to discuss this matter at a humane level, let alone at societal level.
There are many silent sufferers like Atul Shubash who can not even ask for help anywhere? Many innocent men were murdered by their wives but their murdered wives are roaming freely because there is no law for men which make innocent men the voiceless victims many DV victims are male
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Not a single man in sight to discuss an issue that predominantly impacts men of this country. How can these people be so full of themselves? I didn’t think it was possible.
@@shubhamdg5653 they just made their own echo chamber so whatever discussion is happening is biased. Not a place to spend or invest valuable time.
Due to such Misandrists , Atul Suhas and many more are committing suicide.
When thousands of discussions related to women are taken by parliament full of majority of men, then you don't have a problem? Also, they have discussed the facts, so please counter on that!
@@sukritigupta2232yeah that’s why it’s a on going debate and reforms are taken like women reservation in parliament to increase participation of women .
That’s why at least one men
Should have been there .
@@sukritigupta2232Are you proud of this whatabouttery?
At least women side could have initiated gender neutral panel for this condition and showed men discussing on female related problems requires female as well.
But no, ego tussle.
Today's podcast needed a man to ask his perspective too
Exactly! How can y'all - who had the luxury of time to discuss all nuances - could overlook such a basic checkpoint? I think we don't need more Rajdeep, Barkha, and Nidhi from the South. You lost me at "nose chopped off". I feel extreme cases shouldn't be used to justify something when we are here to discuss nuances. Because, that's what some bafoons are doing masquerading as men's right activists.
Trying so hard to defend women. It's sad. Can we not talk about men's rights without it becoming a conversation about women's rights. That's a separate conversation
@@dhbhatta but they r right other news chanmel r creating a false narrative the manipulated sucide numbers r the big picture.
wtf....Atul Subhash case and patriarchal related stuff is unrelated .....could we for a change not have discussed men's issue here ?
*Misandrists* , doing their job of trivializing the root cause. Good job 👍
when Shes says its not about Men vs Women, But Whole debate is Men vs Women
No it was women and men against a patriarchal system
@@kusumkumawat7168 it's women and men versus misuse of laws
@@kusumkumawat7168 it is women against men
@@kusumkumawat7168Did the patriarchal system ask for 3 chores from Atul Subash? Is the patriarchal system in the room with us? 🤦
But yes, the system is to blame. The system let a greedy horrible woman to kill a man through judicial process. The system needs to be changed.
@@kusumkumawat7168 No it was a diversion from the suicide
As I commented to the original release, this is one sided conversation. Nobody is asking to repeal laws made to protect women but to make them gender neutral and sensitive to issues about the abuse of laws.
Why the statistic about 70% of dowry cases being fake, as raised by NCRB, is not being spoken about.
I would suggest Newslaundry to bring in lawyer Deepika Narayan Bhardwaj into this conversation. My expectation of The News Minute being neutral was not met unfortunately!
Atul’s murder is not just a case, a headline, or a statistic. It is a mirror held up to society’s failings, and the reflection is grim. The real issue lies in the biased systems that allow such injustices to fester. But to confront this would require courage-the courage to see beyond gender, to recognize pain as pain, to build confidence in individuals rather than handing out crutches that perpetuate dependency.
Shame on you, News Laundry, and all who reduce human suffering to a convenient narrative. Atul deserved more than this; every individual does. Let us not betray their memory with platitudes and prejudice disguised as progress. Let us have the strength to seek the truth, no matter how inconvenient it may be.
Would you mind pointing out the issues related to Atul’s suicide is not discussed here?
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 The podcast’s rhetoric is riddled with platitudes like "all men are oppressors" or "patriarchy protects abusers." Such language, is an intellectual fraud-an evasion of nuanced thought. By framing every accused man as a villain, they destroy the individual’s right to be judged on facts, not gender.
The women’s one-sided narratives serve their will to power, they gain influence and validation by casting themselves as eternal victims and silencing dissent. Unchecked biases lead to intellectual dishonesty and social injustice.
Presumption of guilt based on identity is an affront to rational justice. Misused laws enslave the falsely accused to the mob’s unthinking accusations.
this is "tyranny of collectivism." Their arguments reduce every individual man accused under 498A to a mere representative of "patriarchy," obliterating the concept of individual innocence or merit. Their vitriol stems from unexamined premises, that all men are guilty until proven innocent and that the system's flaws are inherently caused by the accused, rather than systemic misuse
By what right does one person’s claim to victimhood erase another’s right to justice?”
@@pragatichaturvedi9950
their arguments are manifestation of the "blind will to accuse," driven by their personal resentments and unchecked emotionality rather than reason or justice. Their arguments rely on emotional appeals, cherry-picked anecdotes, and sweeping generalizations. They weaponize victimhood without acknowledging that laws must be just, not instruments of revenge.Their arguments are unphilosophical and dangerously indulgent of their biases.Protective laws are instituted to safeguard individuals from real harm. However, when these laws are used as tools for extortion or revenge, they pervert justice. A moral inversion, where the virtuous (those falsely accused) are punished to uphold the unearned claims of the accuser.
Atul Subhash’s suicide is not just a personal tragedy; it is the symbolic collapse of a system that sacrifices the innocent to the unexamined whims of the collective.😥😥
Society's silence on this issue, especially from women's rights organizations, betrays a lack of compassionate will-a will informed by reason and empathy for all parties, not just the accusers.
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 Justice systems must recognize individuals as sovereign entities. Laws like 498A must protect the truly vulnerable without criminalizing the innocent.
Society must reject narratives driven by unchecked emotional bias. Genuine empathy requires addressing the suffering of all.Establish equal safeguards for the falsely accused, including legal penalties for malicious prosecution and access to mental health resources.
@@pragatichaturvedi9950 I fully recognize the harsh grip of patriarchy in Indian society, trapping countless women in its oppressive hold. However, the solution to such injustice cannot be vengeance masquerading as justice. Mechanisms to address these wrongs must aim for fairness, not retribution, ensuring they protect without creating new victims. Justice must heal, not perpetuate harm.
Ironically not a single man on the panel.....
All women panel on Men’s Rights. Please tell me why this is not biased. If you want panel to be neutral, why wasn’t Men’s Rights Activist was invited.
Men rights people are not real they hate monger con artist
Newslaundry??? I could not go through 10 minutes of this...what provoked this?
Shame on you, you called Atul Subhash suicide is a copycat. You people are sick
For everyone to start watching this video. This is just defending the one who needs to be in prison. This comment will disappear but remember the truth is they just defend the criminal
but they r right other news chanmel r creating a false narrative the manipulated sucide numbers r the big picture.
Did they mention how many times did they make him go to the court in a short period of time from Bengaluru to UP
and cases against the man's parents
This one single podcast gives me enough reasons why not to donate to this channel. Trivialising on men's mental health, suicide, indulging in whataboutery.
Using garb of patriarchy to hide their prejudiced podcast panel, the irony !
I found myself drawn not just to the tragedy of the event but to the greater tragedy of the response it evoked. In a room full of voices, loud and insistent, the pain of Atul-the human, the individual-was silenced. Instead, what took center stage was an echo of tired ideologies and borrowed judgments, wielded by those who claim to champion empathy yet fail to practice it.
These women, who posture as guardians of justice, hold no salve for wounds. They bear no solutions, only swords forged in the fires of their own grievances. Their arguments are sheathed not in wisdom, but in the brittle armor of victimhood. And when they speak of gender, it is not to bridge divides but to deepen them, reducing every human cry to a simplistic narrative: “Women suffer; men are to blame.”
In a hypothetical world, if the distressed women they claim to defend were transformed into trees, would they still be so eager to champion their cause? No-because the essence of their advocacy is not the alleviation of pain, but the preservation of a gendered identity. The suffering remains, but it no longer serves their purpose. Such is the irony of their self-proclaimed mission.
This is not the confidence of individuals secure in their beliefs; it is the hollow pride of those who shout the loudest to drown out their own doubts. Behind their masks of righteousness, how many families have they broken, how many lives have they derailed-all to conform to an ideology imported wholesale, without question or understanding?
😲 wow!! Which AI do you use?
This is exactly how u crush an initiative against intitutional insanity or social bias......
defame it.....bend it at ur will, to that extent that it looks like its nothing ......just people making noises......and then raise ur propaganda fuel it........this could be the tutorial point for many such aspiring feminists.
No man is participating in this debate..... WHY???????????
Please also provide statics of false cases of women falsely using these laws that were supposed to protect women.
It might be relatively a small number but you should have mentioned it as this is the core of the allegations made by Subhash.
I agree woman still are subject to violence, abuse and are suffering from social injustice and the number is much bigger than we see on the surface.
Data bhul jao is desh m Naa mil raha
Doesn't matter if the data is 1 lakj or just 1, everyone deserves justice. The laws must be there even if there's just 1 person who will need them.
@rajK29_ 1 ki liye 1 lakh ki kurbani kyuki uska gender male h?
The general public doesn't agree with any of your points
Shame on your girls men have put their hardworks and efforts building this civilization don't betray them like this. 💯
don't follow this one-sided channel. they don't understand the value of life. they don't understand the misuse of law.
The thumbnail of this video is only to get views but in whole video the core problem (False Cases) is not being addressed.
Why are you guys just discussing again men vs women but for God sake the main point is "False Cases". Who is denying the fact that the women are sufferer for a long time but here you should have discussed about only false cases. I don't know why these women think if people talk about mens issues and their recourses, women's laws might be diluted. No it's not. If according to all of you Laws shouldn't be gender neutral, don't you think such women must be punished who register false cases. False dowry cases, false rape cases, false pocso cases. When it comes to women empowerment, they want all sort of freedom, money from husband without doing job or work and when it comes to punishment in any false case they are treated as child. The biggest joke in india is "False Promise Of Marriage" in india a women have sex only on promise of Marriage otherwise they don't have pleasure while having sex and after years after years they called it rape. What a joke News ke Dhobiyo.
This discussion doesn't contain a single relevant point about why did he committed suicide and What are the causes of his suicide. If you think these laws are not totally women centric. Then tell me what he could have done differently to avoid committing suicide. What I have seen in these cases is there is no way for men to protect himself. And what I have concluded by seeing your discussion is true. You have not discussed a single point about those women who are using these laws wrongly. I have seen cases where women married to 10 men and have filed cases and demanded alimony and courts have granted them alimony...
prejudiced
Of course they make it a woman's issue rather than speaking about the case in hand. A man dies and it's a bunch of women discussing about this rather than bringing another man into the foray and asking him what his experiences are. It's like a contest for them cos god forbid they share some of their "victimization" currency..
It always goes like this in every society. Laws are framed for poor/under class women cos they're the big victims and they face the most oppression in society. Rich/ upper midde class women exploit it. Same rich/upper class women defend it. What a bunch of bullshit. These idiots have no idea how much soft power they have; or maybe they do.
@tteeevvcc5392 the whole world is taking Atuls stance....it's the first media to discuss the currently unpopular opinion....
I love the discussion
Good Job news laundry.
@@nikitasingh7693 u r women, u would definitely love it
I am impressed by the analysis of statistics of death of men by suicide and its comparison with women death's by suicide. And, I have patiently gone through the arguments by panelists. Although, I accept that whatever they are saying sounds rational in the society today, but I am afraid to say that people when they work for a long period of time in a given area are often stigmatized by their beliefs and observations. I would like to call out on the point of, "How family courts should be? the ambiance, lawyer free environment, etc". I do not claim to have as much experience as the panel has, but I myself and my family have been going through cases in family courts, session courts, especially, the Jaunpur Sessions Court (not Allahabad bribery related) that Atul Subhash talked about. I have appeared in front of the same judge and I could totally relate to his ordeal. Anyway, I am not here to discuss my personal crisis.
1. Regarding "How family court environment must be and their recommendations on the same".
Coming back to the point, I wanted to call out the panelists on the discussion of "How family court environment must be and their recommendations on the same". Courtesy to these recommendations, at least I know of "Parivar Paramarsh Kendra" that have been established. And as far as my experience goes, do you have any idea that it is another racket that has been created?. Extortion in the name of mediation, blackmailing and other things that go on there. I think its time for people to not just discuss such issues on coffee table for both men and women sides but get back to real ground work. Who is there to check these systems? Just adding multiple layers in a system enhances complexity of the system. Why there is no conviction for women when there is a strong evidence of them perjuring before the court? I definitely concede women suffer a lot, but I do not agree with tilting the balance against the other side to return the favor, instead try to improve the condition of women. It may sound cliche, "but one persons wrong does not make other persons wrong right".
2. Regarding false charges and sections:
I absolutely agree with the point that police and lawyers put up the false charges in the cases that eventually might not stand up in the court. But at the end of the day it is the person who signs on the statement. And this so called simple non-malice, harmless act of false charges that do not stand up in the court are good enough to punish a person and their family for years outside court putting up with trials and the mental agony that they go through. They are enough to destroy a persons career, their family and everything they love, and in some cases prove to be fatal.
Woow...i subscribed your channel for long time, when you have few thousand followers. I respected your independent journalism but today i am going to unsubscribe. This pannel is completed sick.
Wow. Such a unbiased discussion. Unsubscribing now.
This is not expected from newslaundry.
No men in the panel to put forward the nuances related to the other side! Seriously?? How can y'all - who had the luxury of time to discuss all nuances - could overlook such a basic checkpoint? I think we don't need more Rajdeep, Barkha, and Nidhi from the South. You lost me at "nose chopped off". I feel extreme cases shouldn't be used to justify something when we are here to discuss nuances. Because, that's what some bafoons are doing masquerading as men's right activists.
This has to be the most toxic news channel in entire south asia
All the points discussed by panelist are completely right. Unfortunately the video title and subject have no relation as to ever to the discussion. Really sad to see feminism being brought in to this issue by newslaundry.
Facts presented are wrong... make balanced laws.
Such a shameful discussion! All they were concerned about, in the Atul Subhash's case, was how it is impacting the women rights movement. They blame others of projecting a narrative and making it men vs women, whereas they themselves couldn't discuss the pure facts of the case for a straight 1 minute, without bringing in their own biases. None of them were concerned even a bit about a life lost. These deaths are not just statistics, who is dying more or who is dying less, whether it is a man or a woman.
Oh look. Women Talking about men's issue again. Blame "system" which apparently is Patriarchal made by same feminist. Irony dies here
problem is not the alimony...problem is exporting crores of rupees in lieu of maintaining luxury life .....how is this justified ?
It all depent on men's salary for a man who earn in crores giving alimony in lakhs is justified
I wholeheartedly agree that far more women suffer in marriages than men and that we more or less still live in a patriarchal society in this country. That shouldn't stop us from looking at abuse of DV Law. Especially a growing number of educated & working women who themselves earn well like Nikita, still demand alimony. Please don't bring in the argument that only women do domestic work in such marriages, its simply laughable. I also fail to understand why these independent women continue to suffer in an abusive marriage instead of simply moving out and getting a divorce.
Laws need to be amended to factor in these socioeconomic changes in our country.
I'm very disappointed with newslaundry's shameful and biased coverage of this topic and will not renew my subscription.
Time to unsubscribe the misandrist channel.
Podcast is not moe than a Propaganda.
Hateongers are real I get you
A very unbiased informative podcast. I really loved listening u all . The best part for me is u try to tell source of information u got and trying to include all aspects of a topic . I comment rarely .
@@navitachauhan6194 In what way is it unbiased when you have no male panelist? They are trying to overlook the issue which needs to be addressed seriously
@@anthonycosta128 if u really believe male is mandatory for raising their issues . Then what u say under representation of female in all power positions . What about female issues ??
Society is running on both gender suffering... A man dead .... He is also a son to a female ... Just stop creating division on gender speaking . Just try to see a issue in every angle . Human sufferings are sufferings... Male or female.
Lol
When you are playing number games just let us know if crime against men by woman is even recorded and listed anywhere? Are all such crimes being reported? Why a simple call for gender neutral laws being twisted and presented as against the law or removal of laws itself?
Shame on you
looks like the business is at stake
One of the most balanced discussions on this topic
Being A 23 Year Old Athletic Body I am Loving a 42 Year Old Women.
She has a 16 Year Old Daughter ..
She wants To Marry Me I also Love her But My Question is If She cheats on me by Filling divorce case on me being a 24 Year in 2025 Will be i liable to pay for her 17 Year Old Daughter till she Turns 18...
My Career is Not even Started Yet If divorce is made will the law Support me or My Girlfriend whos 42 Year old..
She Basically Provide me And her Daughter basic Needs Expect i have clothes and i earn some cash...
Use your brain and Get a life dude
Just go for a woman of your age bro, are you a reverse pdf?
Just go for a woman of your own age bro, why are you running behind such old women?
Also what's the reason she is a single mother?
@@Rationalisyourfather He Husand Died 14 Years Ago.. I Just love Her And she also likes me .. And I fell happy when she's near me bro that's it
Unsubscribing because of apathetic nature towards men's issues.
It would be ironic on your part to expect men to support women's causes having such a biasenesss towards opposite gender.
it is not women voilance continues madam . women laws become a murdered law where none wanted to listen @contactdeepika
While this is no doubt an interesting discussion, it did come across a one-sided representation of opinions/experiences. If you have a woman's right activist on the panel, there should be a men's right activist as well so that we hear both sides (a sensible one for a balanced discussion).
Feminist propaganda
Stop this fake interviews. Instead of focusing on Justice
I dont believe in you, i dont believe in atul subash, i believe in supreme court which says, yes these laws have been misused alot.
Dhanya please don't shy away from naming these propaganda media channels. They should be called out for their insensitivity and trp hungry brha😅
Reg Atul’s case, I really liked how all the angles were discussed. Well done.
46:05 I really hated how she got cut off. It's a valid point she raised. The discussion was otherwise really good.
There are many silent sufferers like Atul Shubash who can not even ask for help anywhere? Many innocent men were murdered by their wives but their murdered wives are roaming freely because there is no law for men which make innocent men the voiceless victims many DV victims are male
@@anthonycosta128 what are you saying? Women can never be guilty! Its the lawyers who want bribe, so they put fake IPCs. Women can never do this heinous crimes. Ahh forget that it's so easy to google IPCs and sections of laws. (Sarcasm)
Comments from Men are so empty. This is what they are talking about that one case has generated so much sympathy for mwn being abused by women that people are now asking to abolish or dilute the laws. Here the panelists gave so many examples where men while going through divorce are abusing their wives. Women go through judgements, pain, suffering everyday and when a guy couldn't handle the pressure from a divorce proceedings he comitted suicide. Where does your anger go when women are burnt alive for dowry? Guess it is not that serious. That happens but god forbids when a man commits suicide!! All hell broke loose. He could have dome so many other things than what he actually did. Also, who will look after the child? And how much love that child would receive in this heartless world!!
Your comment isn't backed by some universal study either!
How would you feel if a person held the banner of Men's Lives Matter in between thr RG Kar Protest! It would be Tone Deaf to say the least! That's the case here as well! They are treating the vitriol and Misgyny that thrown due to the case being in headlines! There was no actual discussion on the case otherwise that would've led them to the conclusion on the judiciary being incompetent! Treating Symptoms doesn't really cure the disease! The disease is the Incompetent Judicial Process whose victims are both men and women!
And Please don't question a man on what he should've or shouldn't have done, when he was given 120 dates in a district court where neither he or the woman in question ever lived! All this was happening while he had to pay a ludicrous amount of CP and was being actively kept away from his child! Blaming him and pointing towards him to choose better is once again tone deaf!
People lilke you with their single digit IQs have poisoned the well of sane thinking! Remember, that male protestors have always outnumbered the female ones irrespective of the gender of the Victim and the heinousness of the case! What do you think the outcome of women not showing up to support Atul would be? More Misogyny!
You've just given ammunition to Misogynys to spread more Misogyny and pushed the silent Majority many steps back from the cause of Feminism! Just have some shame!
It seems you are not getting the point. People are not asking for dilution of laws and if anyone is then they are wrong and should be shunned. The demand is to make the laws gender neutral or at least little balanced. It's true that women are still not treated well at many places and women still have to face lots of problems but that should not nullify problems faced by men. Or should it?
Tell me is it justified to drag an honest man to a court in a false case because a woman somewhere else was beaten by her husband? There are many women who commits suicide because of their husbands' abuse do you also blame the women in these situations for committing suicides or the husbands are to be blamed in these cases?
Don't be impaired so much in your biases that you become blind to someone else's plight. All hell should break loose when someone commits suicide because of persecution by someone else, be it, male or female. If your outrage depends upon the gender of the person, then you are not even at the position to discuss this matter at a humane level, let alone at societal level.
Victim blaming
There are many silent sufferers like Atul Shubash who can not even ask for help anywhere? Many innocent men were murdered by their wives but their murdered wives are roaming freely because there is no law for men which make innocent men the voiceless victims many DV victims are male
@anthonycosta128 talk through data...many men isn't data.
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