Peterson and Lindsay: Is Marx The Devil?
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These fortune tellers get taken seriously when they use the Bible instead of a crystal ball.
Did you guys ever think about making a philosophy of Lost episode?
😊
enough with the culture war already...
Should have mentioned that Lindsey being "mocked by the media" was literally just Big Joel making fun of him
That's hilarious
Big (Little) Joel is my philosophy spirit animal
My brother said the exact same thing lol.
Biggest Joel is the best Joe(l)
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James Lindsay using words like "esoteric" and "gnosticism" out of context is like seeing that clip from Family Guy where Peter hears two guys on TV having a discussion where they use "shallow and pedantic" and then Peter turns around that evening and calls Lois's cooking shallow and pedantic.
And the word punchline being used wrong in between all that lmfao…
the punchline is that this comment is shallow and pedantic
Listening to JP talk about Marxism is like listening to a fish talk about mountain climbing
This topic is very frustrating for people that do understand Marx.
The vast majority have no clue what Marx is actually presenting, the predictions and the current conditions that confirm the theory.
The irony of our economic condition today is that most will agree these things are happening and causing the working class to struggle
Technology, outsourcing, corporations consolidating, banking consolidation, etc etc are causing a widening gap between the working class and the owner class.
Every time someone complains about production being outsourced or replaced by technology, they are confirming the conditions Marx predicted.
Unfortunately, instead of trying to understand the LTV people hand wave away what they don’t understand
Someone has exclusively read Marx and not Engles lmfao
"Brevity is the soul of Marxism." -Jordan Peterson
Lindsay actually won me back largely when you said "massage therapist / swordsman"
It just Hits too close to home. 😂
"Esoteric...you keep using that word...I don't think it means what you think it means..."
I can’t stress enough how much cooler they make Harris sound than she actually is.
right??
I only wish she was as progressive, radical and Marxist as they claimed. "Vive la revolution! ... And fracking."
I was about to say, if all this stuff was true, that would be BAD ASS. Who doesn't want a Gnostic Luciferian Marxist president??
Luciferian ideals of enlightenment, liberty and revolution are foundational to American philosophy. Nothing Devilish or Satanic about it
They do it with every milquetoast liberal that is firmly (slightly) left of center….
I wish what the talk raido hosts down in south texas said about democrats was true lmao
For people so obsessed with Marx they sure know absolutely fuck all about Marx and Marxism.
Youre in a cult
It's the dregs of the Red Scare, they've got their whole lives being told Soviets bad, nuclear winter coming, socialist bad, nuclear war inevitable. I was born just before the fall of the Soviet Union and because of that most people older than me carry some form of trauma from that era, people younger than me don't have any of the hang ups that those 40+ do.
@@JamesDimond-l7u You're in a cult. A cult that doesn't teach grammar, no less.
It's all too common with these type of idiots
@@S1Z3M low iq fool
"I *will not* call it X!" Solidarity, comrade 😂
as I've seen it put elsewhere, "I'll stop deadnaming Twitter when Elon stops deadnaming his daughter."
"Everything I don't like is Marxism" A guide for winning arguments on the internet by Jordan Peterson and James Lindsay.
"Everything I don't like is Nazi" A guide for winning arguments on the internet by Democrats.
Aka winning arguments as apes vs monkeys.
And it works too. Not because they (smart right wingers) are correct about Marxism but because it is such a dishonest & dramatic shifting of the goalposts that it leaves the American Left defending neoliberals like Harris & Obama who are our class enemies (generally speaking) against the charge of being advocates of a philosophy that they (the American Left) should generally agree with.
This subtly reinforces the idea that Marxism is wrong in the hearts & minds of average ppl with little understanding of Marxism or political theory in general. After all why are American Leftists defending liberals/neoliberals against the charge of being communist/Marxist if there is nothing wrong with it?
IOW it is not done to win arguments per se it is done to win hearts & minds of average ppl by preying on their ignorance and preying on the predictable reflex of the American Left to rely on logic & reason against this particular bad faith attack.
"Everything I don't like is racism" a guide for winning arguments on the internet for democrats.
@@bullcrab2032
Do provide examples.
I’ll never get over an atheist partnering with Christian nationalists to discuss mysticism / satanism and connect that to the guy who’s a materialist. What is this, a crossover episode?
*_"It's Mr.Peanutbutter..."_*
Good point! Notice this was glossed over in favor of a pointless debate over semantics. 🤔🧐
It's also extremely frustrating because he has no fucking idea what he's talking about in relation to the occult, which to him seems to be the Hammer Horror bullshit that paranoid Christians have had of it for centuries. Like it's easy to pick up Crowley or basically any occultist and be like Huh, not *that* spooky but why do that when you can lie and grift and scapegoat?
Who is the atheist in this scenario?
@@nicolas_reibnitzlol I was gonna post that! Is Peterson trying to pretend he’s a liberal atheist?😂
hold up, marxism lets me cast incantations now? hell yes
abracadabra, student debt relief
A Marxist Escapologist is actually kinda a hype idea.
Yelling "Comrades, you have nothing to lose but your chaims!" whilst being lowered into a tank of water in handcuffs, etc.
As a Communist, I WISH Kamala Harris was a Communist
You’re either a liar or she’s not commie-ing fast enough for your tastes.
Her father is
No you wouldn't. Communists don't even like other communists because none of them ever bring "true marxism". So they complain and point fingers at scapegoats, including each other.
@@Salazatl I know
There may be hope yet for comrade Kamala! ❤
"When in doubt, read books." Words to live by.
Unfortunately, people do read Lindsay and Peterson books and make more doubt lol
Books are small, portable Marxisms.
“We are stronger together”
-my 80 year old grandma
Me: Grandma that’s a Marxist sentiment
Agh I knew it you were seduced by Marx himself grandma
Don't forget satanist also.
Christians were originally proto communists. Things changed with western countries with calvinism stuff when the bourgeoisie modified it to their interests
That is a commie spell. Abracadabra
Workers together stronk
I think the key to being a grifter is not to understand Marx, but to understand what people fear about Marx. Good luck on your new grifting journey. I believe in you.
Correct, but much more accurately, what _I_ tell you Marxism is.
Same with Nazis, you don't need to know anything about race to talk about it (as evidence by their beliefs) as they spend all the time talking about irrational fears about race than race itself. Just like the AI grift too; don't explain what it can do, as it cant really do anything, instead play on people's fears of AI and use that to make out you know what you're talking about.
All grifts are the same. Playing on the unfounded fears of the uneducated.
Cough. Thomas Sowell
Do you remember when Bee Elle Em pulled the scam of the century on you guys a few years ago? That's one reason why J&J are so concerned with Marx. People who are motivated by bitterness and envy often can't see a bad idea when it's an inch from their face.
as a rule, every influencer is a grifter until proven otherwise
If you want to learn about Christianity you ask a Christian. If want to learn about history you ask a historian. If you want to learn about Marxism you should ask a capitalist apparently. 🤷♂️ Arguments in bad faith are tiresome.
To be fair, I wouldn't learn about Christianity by just asking a Christian, because they're going to see it with rose-tinted glasses. I'd also seek out critics of Christianity. However, there is a difference between criticism that honestly seeks to accurately understand what it is critiquing, and the dreck produced by the two numbskulls in question.
So if I want to learn about you, I should ask you? Wouldn’t that be one sided?
@@yujtah That would be having a conversation in good faith. It's always a good idea to get multiple perspectives. My point is that if you want to understand why something is important to someone the most reliable source is that person. Setting aside your own experiences and opinions is the only way to understand them. If you're secure in your own beliefs there's nothing to worry about asking others why they believe what they believe. With a little digging I think we'll find that everyone is just scared, confused, and defensive of their beliefs.
@@dallenpowell2745 yes, you can do that, but not to appease to marxists, because there is no one representative of marxism apart from Marx himself. So if you are going to invite a guy X on your platform, some marxists would say his not a real marxist, etc, and you should'v invited professor Y.
Furthermore, I don't think that interview, with a guy who described Marx as a satanist was done because Peterson wanted to learn what marxism is (I think he has good enough understanding of marxism), it's probably because he encountered interesting ideas about Marx, which he never heard before and wanted to share them on his platform.
The verdict on marxism is already settled for him. It's not like it's a new idea, it's an old ideology, that you can read books about and learn history of implementation of these ideas. No need to interview a fresh ivy league grad to layout some basics about marxism for Peterson.
Ehm, no? You don't need to ask a christian to learn about christianity
And a capitalist could easily know Marx in dept
They are not mutually exclusive at all
As a math PhD, it made me sad to learn that James Lindsay was a math PhD.
Hell, I'm a lit major, and I felt sad to learn he shares my brother's major!
As a human being, it made me sad to learn that you support an ideology that does not recognize individuals as having intrinsic worth.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oestop that crap kid
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe What would that even be in reference to? Marx argued for greater rights and resources FOR the individual
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe as a human being i find you pathetic
That is THE nicest way to say Jordan Peterson is full of shit. Thank you, great work.
not as full of shit as the democrats and the left
In conservative language, "socialism, communism and Marxism" roughly translate to "a thing, person or idea to be angry at."
Self infliction, much like "preserving our heritage"
In leftist language, "racist, Christian and nazi" roughly translate to "a thing, or person or idea to be angry at.
@@bullcrab2032 Nope, it translates exactly to calling out people who at best behave racist, theocratic fascist or like a (neo) nazi. Pathetic attempt at a false equivalency fallacy.
@@bullcrab2032Are you not angry about racism and Nazis? It's weird you include Christianity in the same list. Every leftist I know defends freedom of religion even when it oversteps.
@@bullcrab2032 Except today's GOP has a lot in common with those things.
Peterson debunking marx, without actually reading him(he's only read communist manifesto)
Yeah he just sorta . . . says stuff.
Gorzilla had a stroke after reading this RIP
@@WisecrackEDUthen denies he said that - not very precise in his speech.
This is the part that always gets me. Peterson is just SO openly disingenuous that it's actually wild that he has fans.
No, he just read the wikipedia article about the communist manifesto.
The funny thing about linking Harris's "unburdened" line to Marx is that there's an epic Marx quote, in my all-time favorite Marx book, _The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte_ (and right at the beginning of it) that addresses that concept more directly than any of these roundabout reinterpretations of the _Manifesto_ and the _1844 Manuscripts_ - and it goes against her formulation:
"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."
_None of us_ is "unburdened by what has been" - even as we strive to overcome and move beyond it.
Exactly! History doesn’t go away. The new world is born within the ruins of the old.
Basically what Harris means with her bloomy poetic quote is „let’s imagine radical change“ (and I don’t believe her ideas are radical at all, but they sadly seem so to some). She basically says: Let’s imagine a future that is really very different from the past. Let’s dare to be bold in our imaginations about how the future can be and not be like „but we have always done this stuff that way!“
Obviously, a communist revolution would be one example of radical change, but not all radical change is necessarily a communist revolution. There are so many historical examples of radical change (for example the fact that we don’t really use horse carriages anymore), so nothing esoteric about it. But obviously it is true that we can never truly be unburdened by the past.
@@p.s.224"Obviously, a communist revolution would be one example of radical change."
And that's what Marx was all about. He said this was inevitable, and he was wrong about that. He did everything he could to bring it about, and fuck him for that.
Fuck Marx. Because he was a revolutionary, because he tried to bring about the communist revolution everywhere. Absolutely fuck him for that. That's what this is about.
Any politician: We can achieve a better future together
Lindsay: fucking Marxist rhetoric
"Collectivism holds that the individual’s life belongs to the group, that each individual must serve the group’s needs and goals. This is the essence of slavery.”
- Ayn Rand
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe Wow, you quoted a half baked philosopher. I bet you feel smart.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe you have to quote her because you are too dumb to come up with criticism of your own.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe ayn rand was a spoiled girl that saw any kind of helping others as slavery unless you benefited directly from it. She was a bad person. She died with no friends and nobody rhat cared for her. Because she was selfish and a bad person
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe
"As a psychopath, I believe that altruism is a vice. Also, wouldn't the world be better if everyone else was also a psychopath?"
-Ayn Rand, if she were honest
Seriously...in USA...is wanting the best for everyone a bad thing?
Who decides what's best for everyone?
@@handtomouth4690 Decent people . Can you be decent if you think that just by having money, you are better than someone without?
@@deetee4403Do you think equality of outcome and collectivism are decent?
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe lmao. Tell me, what do you think you mean by that inane comment? Do you even know?
@@deetee4403 The man quotes Ayn Rand, he's not all there...
Was there ever after WW2 a Democratic presidential nominee not labeled radical Marxist?
I don't think so. And yet . . .
Republicans are usually labelled fascist, but lots of people get those confused.
I think LBJ was the only one not labeled as a marxist/communist and I genuinely think that was solely because he was from Texas ,and at the time, the perception of a Marxist/Communist was practically antithetical of the perceptions of what a Texan was.
@@ismeal231as a Texan Marxist, I might have to run for office under false pretenses 😋
Jfk
No the problem is she's not marxist enough
At all. She’s so far from Marxist it’s hard to get further. Lol. She’s a literal capitalist cop prosecutor Zionist fascist genocider. It’s hard to get less Marxist.
and by 'not enough', read '0'
not even like a 0.1 on the marx-o-meter, 0
Yes if she would be marxist she would lose the election
Dude just taking a sociology class has given me enough information to understand that they are butchering social justice
Because sociology classes totally can't be biased or indoctrinating.
@@handtomouth4690 Research, arguement and project based social order and justice perspectives always presented. I was given a data base and peers not just a poorly paid professor spouting opinion like a lot of people think. Lol even my deep red county school called bull shit on this kind of posturing
@@handtomouth4690 You know, it’s funny. Every time I find a provable fact somebody like you doesn’t like, suddenly it’s “biased indoctrination.” There’s never an actual counterpoint though.
@@Direwolf1771 counterpoint to what? Nothing concrete was asserted.
"If coconut for me, tree for thee"- Karl Satan Marx March 15th 1883
Fishy coconut spannungsbogen: if you give a man a coconut he's satisfied but if you give him a coconut tree he has to wait for years to get some coconut satisfaction.
👏🏾😆😅😂🤣👍🏾
Thunderous Fishy Queef
It's also really obvious that Harris was referencing JFK and FDR and not Marx. Anyone who knows how the Democratic party works would recognize that.
Murray Bookchin's version of that phrase is way better anyway. "The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking."
It's "solution aversion".
They're incentivized to be willfully ignorant.
When's the last time you've seen a Conservative genuinely try to solve problems instead of using problems as excuses to complain?
Yah, at this point the dialectic is about how to deal with their misunderstanding of Marx and what purpose it serves them.
Nazis are sadists,they get catharsis happy from seeing every1 else crying.
Negative mood.
Bush's abstinence only education
Not saying it was effective, but it was an attempt to solve a problem that they thought existed
@@sierrasouthwell9237I think part of what OP is talking about is that they only try to solve problems with ineffectual solutions like that one so that when it inevitably doesn’t work they can just throw up their hands and say “see? there’s no fixing people, this is why we can’t have nice things.” because, and I agree with OP on this so much, I genuinely think they actually prefer to be immersed in problems and disfunction because complaining about it makes them feel powerful
OK, sure, but Peterson and Lindsey are SELLERS of bullshit, not buyers. It's a grift. They get paid for spouting nonsense.
You know a person is dumb when they have to put something like "anti-communism" in their twitter name.
Shit. It's not in my username, but I talk all the time about being anti-capitalist. Am I dumb?
@@titussardonicus338 depends on if you have like actual talks about it or just are going nuh-uh this system better
I’m like 90% sure anyone screaming about something being Marxist or communist has probably never actually read Marx’s work.
Or any other work. In fact, im not sure fascists can read.
And anything you don’t like is racist or transphobic?
@@jamesbrittain5659 bro what planet are you on
Most leftists never read
i get why peterson can pass as smart, but lindsay? he barely knows what he's talking about and he can't communicate well at all. his face is also terrible. it reminds me of that surprised and embarrassed face people would make when they got pantsed in PE
I mean people believe Musk to be one of the brightest minds of our age. It doesn't take much.
I mean Peterson against Zlavov was very embarrasing. Even in his usual- " am I having a stroke or what is this guy saying?!"- Zizek like, actually, knows stuff and it was very clear that Peterson does not have an undergraduate working knowledge of Marx, socialism or basic philosophy.
Well he can pass as smart because he has a PhD in mathematics… Just because he isn’t knowledgeable in philosophy doesn’t mean he straight up isn’t smart. He is probably smarter than both of us. Just needs to stick to what he knows.
In the province I live in, conservative orgs have brought Lindsay here to speak about the dangers/evils of trans people, so I think that answers part of the question. Lindsay claims to be an intellectual while giving reactionaries academic junk food to justify their dislike of people different from them.
@@mjgould1192 he's probably smarter in mathematics, but literally nothing else. Which is about as much use as a chocolate teapot societally as he's putting none of it to any use.
Seeing these two I’m reminded that for some people, ”PhD” means “Piled higher and Deeper.”
Same goes for 100% of college degrees. Even degrees leftists have.
It’s not that . Don’t fall into their bs. They are both lying and misleading people. Peterson is just a jerk - with a PhD. The world is filled with people who have 5 star skills but 0 star ethics. Peterson is devoid of ethics.
No, it’s not the case . These guys are not stupid , they do however lack ethics and our aware that many , many people don’t understand any of this but think they do. Put it in Christianity terms -
They are leading his children ( God ) astray . Put in Peterson terms they are Peter Pans leading the lost boys. For all of Peterson’s talk about the evil of the left , it was people like him who empower the Hitlers and the Stalins. And the people that get led astray often think- hahahaahaha PhD - piled high and deep. Bahahahahahaha
'I am pretty sure Marx wrote something about coconut trees in one of his grundrisses'
Marx had a part writing song lyrics "you put the lime in the coconut and mix it all around"
Ofc, the Coconut Manifesto, it's an essential read
You'd think Peterson would have stopped talking about Marx after he humiliated himself in that debate with Slavoj Zizek.
His fans - and he himself, to an extent - are completely capable of memory-holing that and pretending it never happened.
Marx predicted that the condition of the proletariat would worsen over time, but the opposite has occurred, which is humiliating.
Close your eyes and picture a working man from a century ago. Now, compare him to the average working man today. Have living standards improved or declined?
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe he wasn't Nostradamus, dipfuck
@@BipolarBear-tc5oeThe only country that life has imoroved for the working class in for the last like 50 years is China lol, and all the social programs under capitalism came about to try and prevent communist revolution. To prevent class struggle lol. Yer so desperate for a win lol you just look pathetic instead
Probably why Peterson ducked debating Richard Wolff. And when called out, debated Zizek instead.
Oh wow Wolff would absolutely dust him.
Hell yeah, Wolff would call out his bullshit soo fast!
Zizej also embarrassed him.
I just want to hear Wolff get mad. He's probably got an unreal Angry voice
Lmao Žižek cooked his a** in front of a live audience, Wolff would just make his heart combust
as a Marxist studying dialectical materialism I can confidently say that jimmy Lindsey doesn't understand Marxism if he thinks its some kind religion
What is religion?
@@mmiv37 baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more
I’m not religious, but I believe the idea of treating others the way you want to be treated is better than collectivism.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe you just described collectivism, fucko.
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe That is basically the foundation of the social contract and how we became a communal species in the first place.
Not sure what Confucius has to do with Marxism though. The man was a grumpy old conservative adored by the idiots of his time. Quite an amusing read admittedly.
I'm obsessed with Marx. For the opposite reasons as Peterson
Marx is a drunk hypocrite that couldnt even practice what he preached
I'll see you on the other end of my barrel, Comrade.
Profile pic checks out, godspeed Comrade ✊
@@Havre_Chithra lmao no you won't, leatherbreath.
@@Havre_Chithra woah tough guy you are
Jordan Peterson’s debate with Slavoj Zizek should have dissuaded anyone from taking him seriously as an authority on anything Marxism related…
What are you talking about? He’s read _The Communist Manifesto_ at least twice!
@crow-dont-know Oh boy he read: a party platform pamphlet from 1848! How terrifying! 💀 Twice even! Lmao
@@McHobotheBobo Yeah, that was my joke
@@crow-dont-know
Actually his real achievement was writing two self-help books, something that only intelligent and well-adjusted people have ever done
The only thing Jordan Peterson has a PhD in is the Dunning-Kruger effect.
LMAO best one I've heard. Very true though
clinical psychology
@@lightupthedarkness6762 your forgetting his post-doc in Clinical Lobsterology
@@roberthewat8921 his post doc was with the world famous maurice dongier
This just made me think there are actual researchers who done research on Dunning Kruger, and are now very confident about their knowledge on the fact that people tend to be overconfident about their knowledge 🤔
The French revolution was the same as man’s fall from divine grace???? Dude is so cooked. 😂
As if killing God was that simple, the fucker just won't go away
Aaah yes the famous communist French Revolution, that happened decades before Marx was even born. What really influenced the French Revolution was the American Revolution, which I'm sure Lindsey thinks was also communist and woke.
I wish James Lindsay was taken as seriously as Terrence Howard is as an "intellectual."
Wait, isn’t he?
They both got to speak at Oxford
@@luciferfernandez7094 He did an Oxford Union lecture. I know others of his ilk (Tommy Robinson) have, but he has a PhD (in an unrelated field, mind you) that lends credibility in ways that Howard does not. When he's invited to events, or podcasts, he's taken more seriously and not seen as a spectacle to be mocked like Howard.
Sure, great content creator experts like Michael Burns and the Wisecrack crew, other RUclipsrs, and others in liberal/left-leaning spaces do, but when are you gonna have a person with Neil Degrasse Tyson level fame as a public figure (and sadly maybe his type of smugness and assholery) confront Lindsay and his salaciously bullshit assertions? Cornel West? Social pariah. Chomsky? Not the public figure he once was. Marc Lamont Hill was the closest I ca remember but it didn't reach nationwide attention.
Some folks in the public figure as intellectuals don't care to confront persons in the humanities and social sciences in the same way pseudo-intellects come for the hard sciences and mathematics because a capitalists disdain for the former being adopted on a larger scale, and that you have public figure intellectuals who have backgrounds in the hard sciences who take a crack at the humanities, do a shitty job (Dawkins, Krauss, ironically Neil Degrasse Tyson, and Sam Harris doesn't count because his PhD was acquired under dubious circumstances, even tho he's a hack as well) because they don't respect that the humanities have their own methodologies to adhere to.
@@jacobjones630 But Lindsay has a PhD. Mind you, it's not in a field related to his doctorate *at all*, but it lends credibility to his audience. Regardless of its relevance.
And the Oxford Union has had a tendency of bringing in a myriad of folks (Tommy Robinson even had a lecture there) who are intellectually abhorrent.
These people act like the communist manifesto isn't like...a brief read that anyone has access to and is very easy to understand.
Reading is communism. Why do you think communists support free quality education?
I keep a copy in my bathroom. It's really not even a book, it's a pamphlet. About 40 pages long
For how much they're obsessed with Marx, you'd think they'd actually bother to read at least a bit of him.
Nah, they are like most people: Just learning whatever pops up on their feed.
You’d think they’d also read the Bible given that they want the country’s laws to be governed by it, but here we are!
Today in too many people don't know what the [turtle] they are talking about: here is James Lindsay.
oh snap, 36min runtime, love to see it!!!!! keep up the awesome work wisecrack team!!!!!
Thanks my deadhead comrade!
Didn't religion invent hell so they could get money off people to avoid it?
Nah, Hell is to coerce people into social conformity. Follow these social norms laid down by God or else. No don't think about how it reinforces existing power structures.
Then later on someone was like, woah, we can get money out of the rich people who believe this stuff.
“When in doubt, read books”. So simple, yet so bold! Hahahaha
RE the private property thought. It's confusing at all when you realise that there's a distinction between private and personal property - a distinction that what I'll broadly call anti-Marx people purposefully or ignorantly obfuscate.
I think they don’t give a damn about philosophical nuances, but stuck in there own phantasm and look for something else to blame the failings of capitalism on without…you know blaming capitalism.
But capitalism is still the best possible solu... oh, nevermind 😂
Kamala, a Communist?
We should be so lucky!
If Kamala is comunist ,I am a blue Ferrari hahahaha
She cant come out and say it
@@JamesDimond-l7uAnd also doesn't promote it or take any steps towards it.
How can you not call her a communist when she advocates for equity through authoritarianism?
@@BipolarBear-tc5oe its called being in a cult without knowing it
Peterson also misinterprets what drugs actually do for the addict. In the beginning drugs may feel good, but over time they are needed to feel normal. Staving off withdrawal symptoms actually becomes a bigger incentive than any positive feeling.
Ironic, all things considered.
Right? I was like that’s not how drugs work. So the argument was flawed from the get go.
That which is sought to bring pleasure is later required to avoid pain.
@@wickjezek5093I know that feel
Gosh, one clip of Jordan Peterson makes me wanna go scream into a pillow. The man uses half a thesaurus to answer a simple question.
not true... he NEVER answers the question.
They seem to be elaborating a strawman called 'cultural marxism' that they can debate (and 'defeat') in the absence of engaging with actual people on these topics.
I'm sure it's totally different from cultural bolshevism...
Wait, are moraI/reI & Th/F/SchooI not being pushed?
@@G_v._Losinj2_ImportantPlaylist
The guy who invented the term Cultural Marxism, William Lind, made sure to publicly tell his Holocaust denying fans that "those Frankfurt guys were all Jewish". Jordan Peterson even stopped using the term Cultural Marxists when people started pointing out where it came from, opting instead for postmodern Marxists, despite Marxism and postmodernism being philosophically opposed.
there's no form of marxism which can survive scrutiny. cultural marxism is just its most recent (and desperate) form.
That's just what the right does, create strawmen, fantasies and use the anger and fear provoked by them to gather support
Good to see after all these years Marx is still stirring the pot.
I've always thought I had a really easy way to tell when someone's trying to grift me: if they accuse a person or group of Satanism, you can walk the fuck away.
"fell out of a coconut tree is a marxist sentiment"
-James A. Lindsay, conservative intellectual
Another possibly relevant famous passage can be found in Marx's "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte" (1852):
"Men make their history, but they do not make it just as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living. And just when they seem engaged in revolutionizing themselves and things, in creating something that has never yet existed, precisely in such periods of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service and borrow from them names, battle cries and costumes in order to present the new scene of world history in this time-honoured disguise and this borrowed language."
Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.
Any of my students on presentation day.
This is too accurate
TL;DR (I think, havent seen the video yet but ive studied this too) these guys are deathly afraid of going after current socialist economists, so instead they're going after a guy 140 years dead who happened to have some of his theory used in dictatorships, and who also has a niche base of diehard support in current day that they can act is much larger than it actually is.
yeah basically that.
I can make it shorter:
TL;DR an insane religious fundamentalist and a guy who does a bunch of Benzos and stares at Soviet propaganda all day say weird nonsense.
@@garrettfleetwood4702For PeterScam, I might suggest working "messiah complex" in there somewhere as well.
They're not intelligent enough to debate Michael Hudson, Richard Wolff or Anwar Shaikh.
@@TheMahayanist I would be as bold to say that Peterson et al are not intelligent enough to debate a sock puppet. As he couldn't even converse with Zizek without Zizek metaphorically pulling Peterson's pants down and effectively saying "behold your leader" as he puts his grizzled ignorance on display for all to see by simply saying "are the Radical M arxists in the room with us now?"
My favorite thing about Lindsay is that he believes himself incredible self important and instrumental to the right but always responded when I still had a Twitter. He is so insecure he'd reply to my 300 or so follower self just to get trolled harder. He's trash.
thank you for your service
Communism is trash
22:32 yes, the answer is yes
Literally, he's a grifter
Confuse and frighten right wing people by explaining that you're a non-Marxist socialist.
hand them a copy of the Green Book
And im a humoral-theory physician. I know this is about conservatives, but cmon its not the 18th century, theres a reason why you have to specify "non-Marxian" rather than idfk "John Doeian socialism", and thats simple: we have forgotten the other forms of socialistm because they do not tangibly exist. Also conservatives cant comprehend that socialists hate liberals, you're 12 pages ahead of the assignment.
Right out of the gate, Lindsay saying he doesn't know is Harris is a "high-level Marxist" or "low-level Marxist" is amusing.
the proud right wing tradition of refusing to know what words mean.
Spoopy spooky Gay Cultural Marxism oOooo... 👹 that's it.
It seems to me that understanding any material would necessitate actually reading it as a first step lol
you would think.
Derperson is so big brained that he does not need any reading to be dead wrong about everything.
@@WisecrackEDU Well Michael, Jordan Peterson also believes theology is anthropology. He made a biblical series called "Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories". After that he did "Biblical Series: Exodus". If you watched the first episode of both then you would know this. I have told you this about 3 times before with patience and empathy but all I can say now is that you are a hateful hypocrite. You might want to try watching the first episodes of those for next time before you embarrass yourself again.
@@Entheos84you seem unnecessarily angry. Try going outside. It will help.
@@danh5368 If I go outside will it help stop Michael being a hypocrite? Then I will happily go outside :)
I met Lindsay once. He has definitely not read Marx.
none of them have
Someone was studying the blade while Michael was reading nerd stuff.
I like how you look the most blazed during your most sober video delivery
It amuses me how they suppose that calling something or someone "Communist" and/or "Luciferian" and such means those are evil things by definition. 🤪
"Philosophers" attempting straw man attacks. What a time to be alive!
He seems to be implying that all rebellion is evil.
So, clearly, he's a spook for the Redcoats.
As I recall, William Buckley was once asked in a debate if the American Revolution was justified under the reasoning he applied to other revolutions.
@@Nemo12417I love to know his answer.
Peterson has become UNAVOIDABLE, he really needs to pipe it down
Nah man should keep at it. He's doing a great job of broadcasting the intellectual bankruptcy of the collection of grifters he represents.
As a Swede, your Danish was flawless. I couldn't understand a single word. 😙👌
lol I love the internal linguistic bullying between Danes, Swedes, and Norwegians.
I’ve talked to a Dane about the Danish language and apparently they don’t understand it either.
@@WisecrackEDU It's one of the things that keeps us united. We all hate/love each other.
The sword clip gives sooooo much context. Hahaha 💀
A still more stupid man's Bench Appearo
Please don't cross over to the gift side.😅
The biggest class antagonism in a High School is Teacher vs Student. @11:24
the most useless class in high school is the ruling class
For an economist, philosopher and sociologist they've NEVER READ (mind you!) they certainly have plenty of opinions on Karl.
Always interesting how the Anti-Communists are always seeing Communists everywhere, but the United States is one of the most difficult countries to establish a sustainable Left Movement of any kind of a large scope and scale.
LOL exactly this - they are desperate to avoid acknowledging that every single issue they have with modern society (loss of religion, community, traditional values, etc.) is entirely the result of capitalist consumerism intentionally hollowing everything out, commoditizing everything including people and even sexuality, and turning all of life and culture into a lowest-common-denominator attempt to sell products, for the sole purpose of making profit. .....But no, it's the phantom commies that somehow did all this LOL it's like, bruh - the capitalists have been in power consistently for a century, there has never been a communist government in american history, they never even got close, and all the actual commies were ran out of the country in the 70's and 80's - unrestrained neoliberal free-market-fundamentalism and nonstop privatization and deregulation at the direction of corporate entities and capital interests has created the world you live in, not "the commies", there are no more commies and they were never in any position of power.
I almost spit my drink when I heard Lindsay saying that "falling from a coconut tree" is a Marxist quote 😂😂😂
23:01 “Canada’s sartorial answer to The Riddler” is actually a perfect description 🤣🤣
Hi! Fun video! Maybe I can help illuminate a bit of the relevant esoteric context. Hegel admits that his philosophy is heavily indebted to who he called "the first German philosopher" who was publicly a Cabalist, Jacob Bohme. Since Hegel's philosophy is likely an appropriation of Jewish Mysticism to some degree, if someone were to, say, present a theory of history that turned Hegel's idealism on its head, the results would likely be just as amenable to esoteric interpretations but 'upside down' as it were. Marx is kinda famous for turning Hegel on his head. So if turning Christian mystical theology upside down might sound "Satanic" to you, you might be able to see where these folks are coming from. I am in no way defending the arguments of Peterson and Lindsay. However, it is wrong to write off any esoteric interpretation of Marx. Given how Marx employs neo-Ricardo economic concepts combined with the Hegelian structure he turns upside down, it would be kinda odd if esoteric principles were not apparent to Hermeticists or Kabbalists.
What weirdos
I would like to point out that it's really fucking weird to be obsessed with an author you've never actually read and neither of them should be taken seriously.
Yes
His tweets have basically given you a road map on what to do to become a grifter
I'm actually kind of disappointed you haven't picked up on it 😂
Sufficiently advanced dialetical materialism is indistinguishable from magic.
So it's a marxist versus a Mussolini clone? I choose the marxist because i've read das Kapital and like his clone Mussolini couldn't write.
Religion should be treated like a drug. I think drugs should be legal, but you shouldn't give them to kids. And you should tax it!
I wish Kamala was a marxist lol
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Hell yeah thanks so much.
these guys are so embarrassing. great work as always Michael
it's scary how differently we can perceive things. I look at that dude and saw something that didn't make any sense, a caricature almost. yet somewhere there's people going "that makes a lot of sense!". fuck me
5:45
Good job not laughing reading that aloud
Red diaper baby? What’s that?
I guess it's what you call a baby whose parents are Marxists?
Too much beetroot in the baby food.