Critiquing Viewer-Made Strength Programs (Smart to Short-Bus)

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  • @AlexanderBromley
    @AlexanderBromley  Месяц назад +6

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  • @garymcnall4065
    @garymcnall4065 Месяц назад +132

    Smart to short-bus in an unhinged rating system. Thanks Alex!

    • @A.P.Garland
      @A.P.Garland Месяц назад +2

      Translate please😂

    • @garymcnall4065
      @garymcnall4065 Месяц назад +12

      “Rating the efficacy of training programs on a ranking of ‘smart’ to ‘short bus’ is a peculiar methodology. Thank you Mr. Bromely for this humorous scale!”

    • @A.P.Garland
      @A.P.Garland Месяц назад

      @@garymcnall4065 Many thanks. Got it (and agree).

    • @gxymxr
      @gxymxr Месяц назад

      It’s now my new rating system

  • @loungeroomlifting2223
    @loungeroomlifting2223 Месяц назад +57

    "Short-bus" is the name of my current program, I'm also writing a bench only called "Window licker."

  • @highlyalloyed9296
    @highlyalloyed9296 19 дней назад +1

    Plz continue this periodically. Might make a good series, learned a good bit from this

  • @raymondjurado9203
    @raymondjurado9203 Месяц назад +39

    5/3/1 Expanded Universe fan fiction was pretty good.

  • @outlimboed
    @outlimboed Месяц назад +21

    22:30 - This is so true. I know a guy who squats 240kg and DLs (sumo) about the same, but he's been stuck on a 120kg bench for ages. He has narrow shoulders and relatively small arms, and he always asks me about nuances in his bench technique, and ignores my advice to do just do a bunch of hypertrophy work to just get yoked.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 Месяц назад

      Agreed.
      Hypertrophy work is needed for all exercises, but Bench more so than others.
      Cant lift heavy without big muscles to recruit. And you cannot grow large muscles without a lot of reps and sets. And You cant lift a lot of reps and sets per workout in the 85-95% 1RM range. So, it would seem that 65-75% range is better. With occasional 90%+ work one week of the month, and PR's scheduled monthly.
      I think my mistake which held me back on my weak azz bench, was extending/rounding shoulders out as it seemed to help lift more the at the time. By keeping shoulder tucked back, this initially reduces 1RM but builds the large pecs required to perform the lift at heaver weights. It also became apparent shoulder damage begins to accrue with 2 or more plates if shoulder joints are not rigidly supported.

    • @treasurewuji8740
      @treasurewuji8740 Месяц назад

      When I could squat my body weight. I could bench the bar😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Soon2Be91
    @Soon2Be91 Месяц назад +32

    That squat program is legit! I hit PR’s both times I ran it 🤘

    • @nathankrizbai2131
      @nathankrizbai2131 Месяц назад

      I ran it as well and hit a noice 15kg PR after 1 cycle, from 210-225, the 8x8 on week 3 was disgusting tho

    • @JustinSmith-hr6qg
      @JustinSmith-hr6qg Месяц назад

      Bromleys? Or another one in the video?

    • @nathankrizbai2131
      @nathankrizbai2131 Месяц назад +5

      @JustinSmith-hr6qg the 100lbs in 10 weeks one, great program but be prepared to bring snacks and intraworkout cuz some of the days take 3 ish hours to complete

    • @JustinSmith-hr6qg
      @JustinSmith-hr6qg Месяц назад

      @nathankrizbai2131 thank you !

    • @laurabottei
      @laurabottei Месяц назад

      @nathankrizbai2131I added negative 10lb to my squat and then a hamstring injury doing it

  • @Hillbillywrestling
    @Hillbillywrestling 2 дня назад

    please bromley make this a series I learned so much from this video

  • @cpw2k217
    @cpw2k217 Месяц назад +27

    I started training in 1978, No I'm not young. In that time I have tried lots of programs. Over all I think all programs will work for a time then all programs eventually stop working. The human body will adapt to almost anything that does not kill it. At the end of the day it don't matter what you do it matters more how consistent you are with the habit of doing it. I hope that makes sense. It really don't matter what you do, just do something and do it regularly. You will live longer.

  • @ijmwpiano
    @ijmwpiano 22 дня назад

    I started experimenting with eastern style programming last year around August-September. I was doing it by accident due to wanting better technique and recovering from some tendinitis in my upper back. To my surprise within 2 months by October I was able to put 25 lbs on my squat as a late intermediate lifter! I spent a lot of time reinventing the wheel but now that I know this is a thing I’ll probably look into what’s already been done and see how that overlaps with what’s already worked for me. This video is interesting and engaging for sure!

  • @GrantJohnson-dz6ek
    @GrantJohnson-dz6ek Месяц назад +10

    I did a version of rip and tear for powerlifting meet prep and it ate me alive

  • @BeginnerMoto
    @BeginnerMoto Месяц назад +21

    I recognize that Gödel, Escher, Bach book cover. Big Brain Bomley.

    • @placeholder-k9n
      @placeholder-k9n Месяц назад

      I loved that book since the first time I read it in middle school. Fun stuff

  • @freakied0550
    @freakied0550 Месяц назад +106

    Intro was not very skibidi

  • @ricklathem4210
    @ricklathem4210 Месяц назад +1

    wow i'm learning so much. what a great idea to figure out programing and progression.

  • @gamebrotherhood
    @gamebrotherhood Месяц назад +5

    Could you please make this a series?

  • @Sol-01
    @Sol-01 Месяц назад

    Alex please do more of this!

  • @MaxBadstibner
    @MaxBadstibner Месяц назад +3

    First guy should significantly drop the volume on all of those accessories and ramp up the volume on his main lifts. He’s worried about his arms while leaving tons of strength gains on the table and ultimately would benefit from getting stronger in the long run, imo.

    • @black0ut_53
      @black0ut_53 Месяц назад +4

      I’d personally disagree-arm training doesn’t introduce much systemic fatigue (if any) and he’s doing most of his arm work at the end of his sessions which allows them to not interfere with his main lifts.
      Maybe he could theoretically handle more volume on his main lifts, but whether or not he trains arms less probably won’t make much of a difference there anyway
      And besides, some guys (me included) have to do a bunch of arm work to get theirs to grow just because the stimulus our arms get from compounds is barely better than nothing

  • @anthonini66
    @anthonini66 Месяц назад +5

    Thank you strong Santa

  • @wesrobinson7506
    @wesrobinson7506 Месяц назад +1

    Really liking this style of video!! Just bought your base strength book and loved it, hoping to get peak strength for Christmas ha ha

  • @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK
    @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK Месяц назад +9

    I'm going to give my two cents and that's all its worth but when I'm squatting 3-4 times a week, I cut down deadlifts to 1 day a week or i feel as though your just suffering in one or the other.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 Месяц назад +2

      I've found I can perform SLDL/Romanian after High-Bar Squat, as it does not seem to recruit my obliterated Quads hardly at all. And a back squat barely touches hamstrings. And a high-bar position saves the lower back for the SLDLs.
      Might be a good way to get in meaningful hamstring/lower back work with squats that does not kill. There is a good chance RDL/SLDL will also help improve regular DLs. But I no longer perform those. (Used to nearly puke doing heavy DLs. But RDL at lighter weigh is far less strenuous).

    • @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK
      @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK Месяц назад +1

      @Triple_J.1 For sure. I lift heavy though generally in the 500-600 range. So if I'm squatting those weights 4 times a week my central nervous system can't handle a lot of heavy deadlifting is what I'm saying. Otherwise I just get cooked and all my lifts suffer.

  • @Sam-zp4kv
    @Sam-zp4kv Месяц назад

    these videos are soooooooooooooooo good, i loved it so much ngl

  • @Steve-dv4hy
    @Steve-dv4hy Месяц назад +1

    This is a good video concept

  • @sadturtled8387
    @sadturtled8387 Месяц назад +1

    This is fantastic do this everyone month or so

  • @JoakimIshmael
    @JoakimIshmael Месяц назад

    Hey Bromley great video! I have a question for you : If I do 2x9 1x7 1x6 at 60kg in the strict press then next workout do 3x8 1x7 at 60kg so totaling 31 reps across 4 sets on both workouts but with different reps per set did I actually achieve overload? Only reason I couldn't maintain the constant rep count across the sets was fatique build up so ... this has been a conundrum for me a while now,

  • @VagifKasumov
    @VagifKasumov Месяц назад +3

    Short-bus is my new favorite tier.
    On a more related note, so many people people need to push themselves more. I'm looking at these numbers and they're like.. barely 1.5x lift to bodyweight ratios

  • @jima6545
    @jima6545 Месяц назад

    Hi Alex. I've been following you awhile.
    I'd like to submit my new plan for your take.
    M,W,F will be Steve Justa's barrel lifting program
    T, T, S im going to start learning the steel mace.
    Justa's barrel lifting program is even tougher than breathing squats, so I'm taking a do or die approach this time. It's the only program that ever stopped me. Thanks

  • @erenust
    @erenust Месяц назад +1

    Gödel, Escher, Bach on the desk. Good for the brain day.

  • @VastChoirs
    @VastChoirs Месяц назад +1

    I did your deadlift 5x5 program as written. It was way too much volume and it was one of only two programs that made me regress, the other being smolov jr. I am enhanced and was eating at a surplus and was 34 years old at the time.

    • @AlexanderBromley
      @AlexanderBromley  Месяц назад +3

      5 sets of deads every other week was too much volume?? Be interested in seeing what weight you started at and what else you were doing.

    • @VastChoirs
      @VastChoirs Месяц назад

      @AlexanderBromley sure, I can upload a few vids. I was supposed to amrap 220kg after having done it for 5 before starting the program. Couldnt get it off the floor on the amrap day after ten weeks taking my deadlift 5x5 worksets from 175ish to 200. My final heavy 5x5 was at 200 before the deload and it moved alright. I weighed around 96kg to start a 99 at the end. For accessories I did ham curls, paused sldl, hip thrust.I did a bodybuilding upper body focused lat day separately.

    • @AlexanderBromley
      @AlexanderBromley  Месяц назад +1

      What was your max around the time you did 220kg for 5? I saw your vid of doing 455 x 7 with long rests in between. Is that your normal pacing for a set? Also, you went from 175 to 200 over 10 weeks, then jumped to 220?

  • @fna5360
    @fna5360 Месяц назад

    “Chaps my ass” 😂 gotta steal that 1.

  • @raymondbaker987
    @raymondbaker987 Месяц назад

    Can you make a strength program for grippers?

  • @viatori5566
    @viatori5566 Месяц назад

    Damn. Strength programs are a whole different animal.

  • @AlejandroJimenez-xq9ow
    @AlejandroJimenez-xq9ow Месяц назад +3

    Tells people to join his discord, doesn't leave a discord link 😔

  • @todlichreiter
    @todlichreiter Месяц назад

    where could we find the second program of the video? Wes is his name.if I understood it correcty. I really liked it.

    • @JaydenBoyd
      @JaydenBoyd Месяц назад

      hes a mod in the discord. Bromley linked it in the pinned comment

  • @Triple_J.1
    @Triple_J.1 Месяц назад

    7:45 I would say, since Muscle Protein Synthesis continues up to 48 hours after heavy workout, muscular Glycogen replenishment requires up to 48hrs after extended physical exertion, and muscle soreness tends to peak 32-36hrs after a workout also. Rapidly improving by the 48hr mark...
    It would make sense to workput each muscle group at least twice per week, up to every-other day (3.5 per week).
    Should probably combine these four days into 2. And repeat them twice a week. Or even 3 times (6 gym days, squat, bench, deadlift and overhead press 3x per week). This would be the upper-limit of what is attainable from a volume, Hypertrophy and recovery standpoint.

  • @tassmh7080
    @tassmh7080 Месяц назад

    Where are all the rows bros

  • @pewpewbbqs
    @pewpewbbqs Месяц назад +1

    Brother, I just rewrote my program last week... where can I send it to you to get roasted??

  • @D00biSnaKs
    @D00biSnaKs Месяц назад +2

    Front squats are crazy hard for me to do.

    • @leonardo9259
      @leonardo9259 Месяц назад

      I had to take the ego hit and swap them for regular high bar, I cant hit the front rack position or have the necessary ankle mobility even with plates. Sadge, they look Chad asf

    • @D00biSnaKs
      @D00biSnaKs Месяц назад

      @ I feel you on that bro! It feels incredibly awkward and hurts my arms and hands. I’ve tried the crossover style as well and still just not a good feeling overall.

    • @drdooof4
      @drdooof4 Месяц назад

      ​@@leonardo9259funny, i have the exact opposite problem can't squat deep with the bar on my back, and shoulders are too stiff to hold the bar on deep reps😅

    • @aesop2733
      @aesop2733 Месяц назад

      Have you tried a zercher squat or adjusting your foot position

    • @D00biSnaKs
      @D00biSnaKs Месяц назад

      @@aesop2733 actually I haven’t considered the zercher to replace this one. I might try that for sure. I did try bringing my feet closer together for the front squat which helped a bit but still just not a good feeling going down.

  • @nathankrizbai2131
    @nathankrizbai2131 Месяц назад +10

    2 kiwi

  • @justin3993
    @justin3993 Месяц назад

    I feel like I'm running a 4th of the volume as a lot of these.

  • @BVD_INFLU3NC3
    @BVD_INFLU3NC3 Месяц назад +1

    What’s his discord?

  • @Anonymityfan
    @Anonymityfan Месяц назад +1

    Bro has no fear of cancel culture

  • @Ezratal
    @Ezratal Месяц назад

    Dude I'm still only like 1.5 yrs in, but I don't get how people do so much volume. If I have like an hour in the gym, I manage to do like.. warm up sets on overhead with the bar, 95, 135, 170, and then like 3 sets of 195 at 6 reps, supersetted with a few sets of pullups that I'm not good at so they vary from like... sets of 8 slow negatives to sets of 5 cheated ones, etc. And that's it. Idkhtf people are doing like 6 different exercises at a few sets each or whatever. That'd take me 3 hours

    • @Precipiceofwind
      @Precipiceofwind Месяц назад

      Same, I see programs with like 18 sets per session, how tf can you push hard on every set? Even if it's machine only, seems ridiculous.

    • @carnivoreveganbicyclist
      @carnivoreveganbicyclist Месяц назад +1

      When you do the isolation exercises at the end you don't need to do warm up sets if you've done compounds that targeted the same muscles before and if you use machines you don't have to spend any time carrying weights around. My first exercises take a lot of time too but I spend 1,5-2 hours at the gym to do 8 exercises.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 Месяц назад +4

      Warmup sets should be as efficient as possible.
      Skip the empty bar once you can lift 225lb.
      Go right to 0.2, then 0.4 then 0.6 of 1RM for a warmup, up to the point you are starting warmup with 135lb or so.
      Then use that weight to start warmup from now on. (I physically cannot even squat less than 135lb with proper form).
      E.g. If 1RM = 225b
      Warmup sets:
      0.2 = 45lb x 10
      NO rest.
      0.4 = 90lb x 10
      1 min rest.
      0.6 = 135lb x 5
      2 min rest.
      0.7 = 155lb x 5
      3 min rest.
      0.8 = 180lb x 3r
      Hard Working Sets
      0.9 = 205lb x 3r
      0.8 = 180lb x 6r x2
      Drop Set:
      0.7 = 155lb x 10
      Bonus/Elective set for Hypertrophy:
      0.7 = 155lb again to failure. (5-10 reps).
      Strict 3 min rest between sets, part of which is already covered while changing weights. Part of which is spent getting under the weights. Use 3 mins from racked to un-racked.
      Always rest a full 3 minutes for hard sets. Anything less leaves strength on the table. Never rest longer than 5 minutes, as virtually no further recovery happens, and muscles begin to cool down about then. Also it wastes 2 minutes times all of your sets. Which can add up to significant time in the gym (Perhaps an hour or more per week).
      Don't stand around on a phone. Unless it is the timer or to record the workout.
      You should be complete with all warmup sets right at the 10 minute mark.
      And the working sets are completed in an additional 12-15 minutes.
      22-25 mins per primary exercise.
      Two primary exercises per Gym day. (Leg/Arm, Push/Pull, whatever split You prefer, etc).
      This means your heavy work is completed within 45-50 minutes. By which point your gas tank will be probably about run out for any other heavy work. Spend the next 10-40 mins on accessory (Pull-ups, dips, rows, shrugs, lat pull downs, are all my Go-to's).

  • @MegaUlysses1234
    @MegaUlysses1234 Месяц назад +2

    Alex what do you mean about short bus on the title?

    • @misledpoet
      @misledpoet Месяц назад +8

      US schools that have bus systems for their students, have a bus for their "special education" students (developmentally handicapped). This bus is shorter in length than the standard school bus that the other students would use.
      So if you're riding to school on the "short bus", you are one of those "special" students.
      So with that context in mind, a "short bus" program would be considered "developmentally handicapped"

    • @MegaUlysses1234
      @MegaUlysses1234 Месяц назад

      @misledpoet so this is intended as a little humor at the expense of intellectually disabled kids that did nothing to anyone? Well, not cool. Not the kind of humor I'd expect from a grown man and father.

    • @MegaUlysses1234
      @MegaUlysses1234 Месяц назад +3

      I get it now. Sort of a cheap shot for clicks where intellectually disabled kids that didn't do anything to anyone are the subject of the humor. Not a comment from a grown man and new father. Just garbage. I'm unsubbing. Thanks for the explanation.

    • @erickg667
      @erickg667 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@MegaUlysses1234Go, unsub. Nobody asked.

    • @Triple_J.1
      @Triple_J.1 Месяц назад

      @@MegaUlysses1234
      Literally no mentally handicapped child knows they are cognitively handicapped. And making short-bus jokes does not affect them at all, because they cannot read and they are not here studying technical aspects of weight lifting.
      The only people who are offended at R* jokes are parents of R* kids.
      But most of them were told their child had issues before they were born and they decided to have and raise them anyway. So, who is the victim again?

  • @LRandleIcon
    @LRandleIcon Месяц назад

    WAIT you didn't do mine did you?

  • @Anonymityfan
    @Anonymityfan Месяц назад

    First guy is probably British. Measuring weights in kg and heught in feet and inches.

  • @heroprotagonist007
    @heroprotagonist007 Месяц назад

    Skibidi sigma victory royal

  • @unmvstered
    @unmvstered Месяц назад +5

    smart to short bus, fucking brilliant 🤣

  • @Noah-pc6wq
    @Noah-pc6wq Месяц назад

    Algo

  • @zsahe21
    @zsahe21 Месяц назад

    !!!!!!!!

  • @lordMartiya
    @lordMartiya Месяц назад +4

    American customary measures are defined by the Metric System, and then by the International System, since 1893. Why do Americans insist in using their old and needlessly complex system when it's actually a complication of what everyone else uses?

    • @andrewhenley2161
      @andrewhenley2161 Месяц назад +4

      Because we’re better

    • @lordMartiya
      @lordMartiya Месяц назад +4

      @andrewhenley2161 The fact you need to define your measurements in Metric says otherwise.

    • @fizzybossyt8675
      @fizzybossyt8675 Месяц назад

      Are you being Fr? It's because this is the way we grew up. It's what's most natural for us. It's not like I, an 18 year old, established the metric system myself, or anybody else currently alive in the country. And yes I'm trying to learn to use imperial in my day to day.

  • @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK
    @THE_ORGINAL_SILVERBACK Месяц назад +1

    Lift, add weight deload repeat. Eat clen tren hard my bros

  • @Christian35100
    @Christian35100 Месяц назад

    You should not be judging anyones program, you're laughably bad at creating them.

    • @AlexanderBromley
      @AlexanderBromley  Месяц назад

      Oh LOL you're the dumb fuck who thought whites were stronger than everyone else. I'm sure you're the expert HAHAHAHA

    • @Christian35100
      @Christian35100 Месяц назад

      @AlexanderBromley it's an objective fact. Sorry it makes you an emotional.
      Numerous studies show that whites score significantly higher on hand grip strength tests than all other groups.
      Every wsm winner of all time is white, and the vast majority of all powerlifter champions are white, including all 3 GOAT candidates. All higher weight class weightlifter champions are white, whites are taller on average, weigh more, have broader shoulders and shorter limbs, and carry more genes that dileneate towards strength.
      You are coping. You are sad. And your programs suck.

  • @Rorschachs_Bloat
    @Rorschachs_Bloat Месяц назад +7

    2 kiwi

  • @larsdoesfitness8988
    @larsdoesfitness8988 Месяц назад +8

    2 kiwi

  • @EINAR-zr5to
    @EINAR-zr5to Месяц назад +7

    2 kiwi

  • @thegoldfish123
    @thegoldfish123 Месяц назад +7

    2 kiwi

  • @youneshassouna8443
    @youneshassouna8443 Месяц назад +8

    2 kiwi

  • @OdinLifts
    @OdinLifts Месяц назад +5

    2 kiwi

  • @limo-swine6537
    @limo-swine6537 Месяц назад +3

    2 kiwi