Just came back from the movies, and man, oh man, watching these ships fire their matter anti-matter annihilation to decelerate was amazing. Goose bumps all the way.
No company would invest in 8+ of those ships, bases, mines, etc and give it all up after the events of the movie. They’re going to bring a lot of weapons on the next ship. Kind of reminds me of Independence Day except humans are the aliens.
Yes they are. The inhabitants of Pandora are safe for ten years, but then they bring the big weapons. If humans in this movie-franchise are capable to build starships like the Venture Star, I don't want to image what their weapons look like.
@@crableg2128 They don't even need nukes at this point. Just take an unmanned ship, send it to Alpha Centauri and smash it straight at Pandora. Hell, since they don't need fuel to decelerate, they can just use that fuel to get a higher final speed and thus deal more damage. Boom.
They don't send anything to the planet except for people. The manufacturing of weapons is on planet. So they will feel the pain a lot sooner. AND there are 12 of those ships in rotation.
@@gerogefinkle4764 How does that work I wonder? DO they just radio the next six ships that arrive and say, "Nope Turn Around, there's nothing here for you."?
I think they could build sth like orbital bombardment system. Not a nuke but a missiles using kinetic energy would be devastating. Also why don't they use drones and robots to fight the Na'vi? That would save a lots of lives. I bet humanity at that time would have a very advanced AI.
This is due to the electromagnetic field, so most technologies will fail, because think why, instead of human miners and manually controlled, they did not use robots? (although their bulldozers are already radio-controlled, but they are very remarkable in their work.) Unobtanium it will cause them to fail quickly. Even miners are not immune from this electromagnetic field. In the film, by the way, interference was often mentioned. Especially near the place where the largest tree of souls was.
@@earthspace8666which is very telling the RDA not even an actual military or government their like Amazon which has planes boats and the like I wonder how the USA looks with their ships their Military Ships
They've built this ship with antimatter engines, but they could not cope with the local savages with bows and knives... I think RDA should bring a bit more effective weapons with the next ship🤔
Its a common trope in sci fi that the evil alien invaders somehow get beaten by technological underdogs for no logical reason. See independence day, war of the worlds or any other alien invasion movie. Only in avatar the roles are reversed and humans are the evil alien invaders, so they end up getting beaten. Yeah, it makes no sense, but if an alien invasion movie would boil down to "aliens slam 1000 relativistic bombs into earth/other planet and humanity/whatever other victim gets erased instantly" that wouldn't make for a fun story.
@@destroyer1667 Idk, what if they actually did this but didn't realize that the tree-root God on Pandora (Ewa I think) had its tentacles going all the way down to the lowest parts of the crust on the planet, so they drop their relativistic kinetic energy weapons and think they've cleared the planet of any potential hostiles, not realizing that this planet-sized creature/information repository is completely intact and that they've only destroyed the "mushroom" that springs from its mycelial roots. This God-like creature has retained enough information about the surface dwelling lifeforms and their biology that it can actually just re-spawn their populations with enough time, so the miners on Pandora start getting attacked, which they weren't prepared for since they just assumed some relativistic weapons would render the moon inert. Any attempt to control this creature is like playing a planet-scale version of whack-a-mole, since Ewa has woven itself deeply into all the veins of Unobtainium on the moon and has both enough stored information and energy to regrow its photosynthetic solar energy-gathering components many times, making the possibility of clearing the biosphere off the moon more costly than anything the company or the entirety of Earth's economy can muster to fight it. Humans invade Pandora for resources due to hubris, thinking that since they can master near-interstellar travel, they can master anything. Of course we can beat some blue cat people and their pets because we can beat the vastness of space between stars. The only way humans could defeat Pandora's biology with the resources available is by applying so much energy to the moon, that all the unobtainium is completely vaporized and flung off every which way, making it impossible to collect and make use of. Basically, a long way of saying I disagree that the story had to be as simplistic as it was for entertainment value. It could have been a story about how some things are impossible to control, or, at least, controlling them destroys the very thing that makes them desirable to control in the first place.
@@destroyer1667 well I mean atleast in Independence Day the locals aren’t using Bows and Spears, yeah it’s still unrealistic but it’s easier to suspend your disbelief for but this? Uh uh, I can’t see a civilization THIS primitive putting up any semblance of a fight even with help.
@@destroyer1667 Exactly, they make up the “colonists” to be so stupid. The venture star could just leave Pandora first and head back to the solar system where it could get a gravity assist, refuel and drop off her crew on earth, and head back to Pandora with maybe even 25-50% light speed via constant acceleration, and plot a trajectory to smash into the surface. Or as I like to call it, conversion into a ISBM (Interstellar ballistic missile)
@@fork9001 that would destroy the unobtanium though, defeating the entire point of going there in the first place, and wasting an expensive ship that was partially built with that rare resource. However, the locals should have done that, really. Dont let anyone leave, kill them all, take over the venture star and when the corporation tries to come back, threaten them to R-Bomb earth if they dont leave them alone.
@@kommandantgalileo X-33 and Venture Star are different. X-33 was a scale technology demonstrator, VentureStar was what would have been the larger commissioned version.
Not much radiation, but still that's why the streams are angled away from the ship. Also, it only accelerates at 1.5g (for almost 6 months!). That acceleration is hardly noticeable at this scale.
Different types of radiation need different kinds of materials to resist them. Most people think lead is a good source of protection but depending on the type of radiation being fired at you, lead could actually be more harmful. Water is a good way to shield from radiation hence a lot of research is going towards the idea of having water belts around crew compartments.
is it really from Avatar 1? it looks like from a game. Because in the extended cut this was not included and also this is the only clip here on youtube.
Somethings note right... In the concept book, it says that the exhaust plume are brighter than a electric welder arc, and are 60km long...So how can the rear of the ship not be ripped appart by them?
@@jolafaa Wait, they're angled? I didn't know that, i look like a fool now...anyway, thanks for clearing that up, i just thought it was an animation defect ^^'
@@froschreiniger2639 The flames definitely contain radiation, but there's probably nothing or very little in them that would emit radiation. So they're only dangerous to whatever they hit directly.
@@jolafaa The reason I ask is that I've heard it once before. It was from the end of a movie that was set in the Aztecs or something. I can't remember the name of the movie however.
I managed to find the source of the music. It is, in fact, from apocalypto. The score is called "civilizations brought by sea" and the segment from this video starts at about 1:00 into that soundtrack.
Maybe humans should learn about speed and kinetic energy. They could literally drop tungsten rods from orbit and destroy stuff why do they need bombing
Look up the new tv spot; it shows an ISV "landing" in atmosphere, burning everything beneath it with it's engines on full blast. Looks fucking awesome.
Well, now we can say: yes. The fun part is it was one of my favorit scene (if not the favorit) in Way of Water. The return of humans on Pandora is one of the best and most frightening "alien" arrival in a movie.
@@gamertardguardian1299 boring for you, but the movie is all about Pandora and its flora and fauna. I doubt this particular scene is from the movie. It looks like a video game cutscene. look at the "mirror" of the Venture Star, it's doesn't look like one. Also the music is not found in any Avatar score.
What i have always asked myself: How the hell where they able to fit the entire crew of Hells Gate into that one ISV. I estimate there were at least 1200 people stationed there and like maybe 100 stayed on Pandora. A single ISV has a capacity of 200 humans in cryosleep and lacks the capabilties of sustaining life support throughout the entire voyage. So i think this is a massive plot hole but if there is any explanation feel free to tell me.
In headcanon there are 10 ISV (Interstellar vehicles) and Venture Star was the first one we see the one with Jake Sully in it and (mild spoiler alert) in Avatar 2 we could see all 10 of the ISV's De-accelerating to Avatar. So maybe in the earlier parts of the Colonization process of Pandora, multiple ISV's could have travelled together.
@@totallyrevv nah its stated that the ISV are in a loop since the travel take 7 years and it take 1 years to fuel one ship one is launched every years in a 10 years loop
@@jolafaa Oh, for some reason it looks like the particle shield. And people say that when an ISV leaves Pandora, it uses the light sail for deceleration when coming back to Earth. And that when it comes back to Earth, it uses it's antimatter engines only.
@@TheLongasenThis ship is departing FROM Pandora to Earth, at the end of the movie. The Pandora (below) is a satellite of a Jupiter-like larger planet that we see above.
Just came back from the movies, and man, oh man, watching these ships fire their matter anti-matter annihilation to decelerate was amazing. Goose bumps all the way.
My favorite part of the movie. It was awesome to watch all twelve ships come in force and do anti matter burns.
And the sound design was also amazing.
Same here, I think that scene already makes my day even better XD
The music is looping in my head
@@subhajit1128 they clearly listened to lots of footage of real rocket engines because it has the distinct crackle that real plumes do
No company would invest in 8+ of those ships, bases, mines, etc and give it all up after the events of the movie. They’re going to bring a lot of weapons on the next ship. Kind of reminds me of Independence Day except humans are the aliens.
Yes they are. The inhabitants of Pandora are safe for ten years, but then they bring the big weapons. If humans in this movie-franchise are capable to build starships like the Venture Star, I don't want to image what their weapons look like.
@@dariushzend9866 haha nukes go go brr
@@crableg2128 They don't even need nukes at this point. Just take an unmanned ship, send it to Alpha Centauri and smash it straight at Pandora. Hell, since they don't need fuel to decelerate, they can just use that fuel to get a higher final speed and thus deal more damage. Boom.
They don't send anything to the planet except for people. The manufacturing of weapons is on planet. So they will feel the pain a lot sooner. AND there are 12 of those ships in rotation.
@@gerogefinkle4764 How does that work I wonder? DO they just radio the next six ships that arrive and say, "Nope Turn Around, there's nothing here for you."?
This scene is missing even in director's cut...
This deleted scene made me want do see the ISV venture star using his almighty reactors in the next movies. I was not disappointed!
These 10 seconds not used are more awesome to me than the whole movie.
avatar 1 or 2?
Bye 2018...
Come back 2018 :(
plz bring back 2018 bro :(, ill miss it a lot, 2023 is sucks.
@@muhammadzulfikri3511 Let's give it a few months before we shit on it.
I think they could build sth like orbital bombardment system. Not a nuke but a missiles using kinetic energy would be devastating. Also why don't they use drones and robots to fight the Na'vi? That would save a lots of lives. I bet humanity at that time would have a very advanced AI.
This is due to the electromagnetic field, so most technologies will fail, because think why, instead of human miners and manually controlled, they did not use robots? (although their bulldozers are already radio-controlled, but they are very remarkable in their work.) Unobtanium it will cause them to fail quickly. Even miners are not immune from this electromagnetic field. In the film, by the way, interference was often mentioned. Especially near the place where the largest tree of souls was.
According to the lore, the RDA are not allowed to utilize WMD, and they have to heavily limit their military presence where they operate.
@@earthspace8666which is very telling the RDA not even an actual military or government their like Amazon which has planes boats and the like I wonder how the USA looks with their ships their Military Ships
They've built this ship with antimatter engines, but they could not cope with the local savages with bows and knives... I think RDA should bring a bit more effective weapons with the next ship🤔
Its a common trope in sci fi that the evil alien invaders somehow get beaten by technological underdogs for no logical reason. See independence day, war of the worlds or any other alien invasion movie. Only in avatar the roles are reversed and humans are the evil alien invaders, so they end up getting beaten. Yeah, it makes no sense, but if an alien invasion movie would boil down to "aliens slam 1000 relativistic bombs into earth/other planet and humanity/whatever other victim gets erased instantly" that wouldn't make for a fun story.
@@destroyer1667 Idk, what if they actually did this but didn't realize that the tree-root God on Pandora (Ewa I think) had its tentacles going all the way down to the lowest parts of the crust on the planet, so they drop their relativistic kinetic energy weapons and think they've cleared the planet of any potential hostiles, not realizing that this planet-sized creature/information repository is completely intact and that they've only destroyed the "mushroom" that springs from its mycelial roots. This God-like creature has retained enough information about the surface dwelling lifeforms and their biology that it can actually just re-spawn their populations with enough time, so the miners on Pandora start getting attacked, which they weren't prepared for since they just assumed some relativistic weapons would render the moon inert. Any attempt to control this creature is like playing a planet-scale version of whack-a-mole, since Ewa has woven itself deeply into all the veins of Unobtainium on the moon and has both enough stored information and energy to regrow its photosynthetic solar energy-gathering components many times, making the possibility of clearing the biosphere off the moon more costly than anything the company or the entirety of Earth's economy can muster to fight it. Humans invade Pandora for resources due to hubris, thinking that since they can master near-interstellar travel, they can master anything. Of course we can beat some blue cat people and their pets because we can beat the vastness of space between stars.
The only way humans could defeat Pandora's biology with the resources available is by applying so much energy to the moon, that all the unobtainium is completely vaporized and flung off every which way, making it impossible to collect and make use of.
Basically, a long way of saying I disagree that the story had to be as simplistic as it was for entertainment value. It could have been a story about how some things are impossible to control, or, at least, controlling them destroys the very thing that makes them desirable to control in the first place.
@@destroyer1667 well I mean atleast in Independence Day the locals aren’t using Bows and Spears, yeah it’s still unrealistic but it’s easier to suspend your disbelief for but this? Uh uh, I can’t see a civilization THIS primitive putting up any semblance of a fight even with help.
@@destroyer1667 Exactly, they make up the “colonists” to be so stupid. The venture star could just leave Pandora first and head back to the solar system where it could get a gravity assist, refuel and drop off her crew on earth, and head back to Pandora with maybe even 25-50% light speed via constant acceleration, and plot a trajectory to smash into the surface. Or as I like to call it, conversion into a ISBM (Interstellar ballistic missile)
@@fork9001 that would destroy the unobtanium though, defeating the entire point of going there in the first place, and wasting an expensive ship that was partially built with that rare resource. However, the locals should have done that, really. Dont let anyone leave, kill them all, take over the venture star and when the corporation tries to come back, threaten them to R-Bomb earth if they dont leave them alone.
when people say Venture Star, this is not what I think of, I think of the SSTO
That's the Valkyrie
@@Exodon2020 I mean the X-33 Venture Star
Confusing names (:
@@kommandantgalileo X-33 and Venture Star are different. X-33 was a scale technology demonstrator, VentureStar was what would have been the larger commissioned version.
@@brainmind4070 yeah, I know.
Was expecting a stronger push. Also imagine all the radiation the rear part of the ship receives during acceleration lol
barely any since it isnt made out of metal
Not much radiation, but still that's why the streams are angled away from the ship.
Also, it only accelerates at 1.5g (for almost 6 months!). That acceleration is hardly noticeable at this scale.
The crewed sections are placed away from the engines as to protect the crew from the engines
Different types of radiation need different kinds of materials to resist them. Most people think lead is a good source of protection but depending on the type of radiation being fired at you, lead could actually be more harmful. Water is a good way to shield from radiation hence a lot of research is going towards the idea of having water belts around crew compartments.
This was a deleted ending scene from Avatar 1...after human boarding the plane out of Pandora
is it really from Avatar 1? it looks like from a game. Because in the extended cut this was not included and also this is the only clip here on youtube.
Жаль что эту сцену удалили
Somethings note right...
In the concept book, it says that the exhaust plume are brighter than a electric welder arc, and are 60km long...So how can the rear of the ship not be ripped appart by them?
That's exactly why engines area angled to the sides of payload.
@@jolafaa Wait, they're angled? I didn't know that, i look like a fool now...anyway, thanks for clearing that up, i just thought it was an animation defect ^^'
@@jolafaa yeah but what about all the super intese gamma radiation? dont the flames go past the sides of the crew module ?
@@froschreiniger2639 The flames definitely contain radiation, but there's probably nothing or very little in them that would emit radiation. So they're only dangerous to whatever they hit directly.
@@jolafaa arent those supposed to be antimatter engines or something?
So this is a deleted scene, maybe that's why i just notice the Ship use anti-matter thruster after like few years
What is the source of this?
Blu ray extras?
Really interested if there's more of this sort.
Yes, it's deleted scene from the extras. For more, see Avatar 2, there's plenty. :)
Is this a deleted scene?
Yes it is.
@@jolafaa Thanks
What is this music from? It's not Avatar I'm postive.
That's a deleted scene, it had this music included, probably some filler stuff like in trailers.
@@jolafaa The reason I ask is that I've heard it once before. It was from the end of a movie that was set in the Aztecs or something. I can't remember the name of the movie however.
@@corneliusmaze-eye2459 Apocalypto?
@@datprawn4850 That would check out. The both movies had their music composed by James Horner
I managed to find the source of the music. It is, in fact, from apocalypto. The score is called "civilizations brought by sea" and the segment from this video starts at about 1:00 into that soundtrack.
Garcia Jason Brown Betty Young Sandra
B L U E
Garcia Angela Taylor Timothy Williams David
Maybe humans should learn about speed and kinetic energy. They could literally drop tungsten rods from orbit and destroy stuff why do they need bombing
Because it would destroy the unobtainium and also areas of the planet scientists want to study is my guess
Esta escena es parte de la versión extendida para coleccionistas o es una escena eliminada?
Esta es una escena eliminada.
That's a cool scene. Can you upload the beggining of the movie with the venture star and dropship scenes
Is this scene was available in the movie?
Nope, it's deleted scene from the extras.
Matter-antimatter engines
I hope that there are shots like this in the sequels
Look up the new tv spot; it shows an ISV "landing" in atmosphere, burning everything beneath it with it's engines on full blast. Looks fucking awesome.
@@schana96 I saw that!
@@schana96 looking at it, it looks like it’s a variant of the ISV to land heavy equipment sky crane-style.
Yes there is
Well, now we can say: yes.
The fun part is it was one of my favorit scene (if not the favorit) in Way of Water.
The return of humans on Pandora is one of the best and most frightening "alien" arrival in a movie.
Why did they deleted this scene?
They deleted a lot of the Venture Star scenes. Maybe they though it detracted from the events on the surface.
Because the movie was already 3 hours long.
@@Kai-tn4yx I can think of a lot more boring scenes than this
@@gamertardguardian1299 boring for you, but the movie is all about Pandora and its flora and fauna. I doubt this particular scene is from the movie. It looks like a video game cutscene. look at the "mirror" of the Venture Star, it's doesn't look like one. Also the music is not found in any Avatar score.
That was just stunning, and the music very good.
In its core, the music kind of reminds me of this part of Koyaanisqatsi score by Philip Glass ruclips.net/video/j3q7bT0v9IE/видео.html.
if you like the music try listening to the "Enders Game" movie theme
They return, Sky people
What i have always asked myself: How the hell where they able to fit the entire crew of Hells Gate into that one ISV. I estimate there were at least 1200 people stationed there and like maybe 100 stayed on Pandora. A single ISV has a capacity of 200 humans in cryosleep and lacks the capabilties of sustaining life support throughout the entire voyage. So i think this is a massive plot hole but if there is any explanation feel free to tell me.
In headcanon there are 10 ISV (Interstellar vehicles) and Venture Star was the first one we see the one with Jake Sully in it and (mild spoiler alert)
in Avatar 2 we could see all 10 of the ISV's De-accelerating to Avatar. So maybe in the earlier parts of the Colonization process of Pandora, multiple ISV's could have travelled together.
@@totallyrevv nah its stated that the ISV are in a loop since the travel take 7 years and it take 1 years to fuel one ship one is launched every years in a 10 years loop
Lewis Steven Clark Jason Johnson Susan
Why is there a second particle shield on the back?
That's not a particle shield, that's a light sail for laser acceleration from Earth.
@@jolafaa Oh, for some reason it looks like the particle shield. And people say that when an ISV leaves Pandora, it uses the light sail for deceleration when coming back to Earth. And that when it comes back to Earth, it uses it's antimatter engines only.
It's clearly not earth, so where is this? A moon perhaps?
james-camerons-avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Pandora
@@jolafaa I'm talking about the planet below before the ship takes off to Pandora
@@TheLongasenThis ship is departing FROM Pandora to Earth, at the end of the movie. The Pandora (below) is a satellite of a Jupiter-like larger planet that we see above.
@@jolafaa I thought the planet below wasn't Pandora because of all the lights down there..i thought those were overcrowded human cities.
@@TheLongasen Instead this is bioluminescent life on Pandora. Watch the movie, it's fascinating.