You can playtest the game by going to the Bloodthief steam page here: store.steampowered.com/app/2533600/Bloodthief/ Just click "Request Access" under where it says "Join the Bloodthief Playtest". Thanks for playing and don't forget to wishlist! ♥
@@weirdthing729I don’t know if it will be realised to Mac natively, but right now with whisky( it is similar to wine), the game runs super good( for being in a translation layer). Using the stock settings, I can get a steady 120 fps at the laggiest points. But the frame times are good and it does not stutter. My specs are just a base m1 Mac mini with 8gb of air.
Just an idea for the locked doors, instead of having like a whole other set of rooms maybe have like a combat arena that spawns a bunch of enemies and gives the player some kind of buff or powerup if they kill them all
@@Blargis3dHey, I’m working on a survival game (low poly) called sticks n stones. This replayability overview has helped me better understand how to make an addictive game. (I like how you hint at emergent gameplay as well, which is much easier to implement then most people think)
This is something I'm thinking about a lot. The promises given by AAA graphics and details work wonderfully in trailers and even let's plays, since they aren't broken when you don't see and feel them break. But as soon as you play such games, promises break left and right. It feels clunky as hell. A game IS the sum of it's promises. It actually punishes experimentation, when only parts of the promises are actually beneficial to the intended gameplay in the first place and most promises are broken either way. This leads to devs having to guide players through a labyrinth of broken promises and hold their hand all the time.
omg you're so right aout th "broken promises" I think that's why as a previous non-gamer I fell in love with breath of the wild. wanna climb a tree? go ahead! wanna jump around on roofs? suure! swim? YES. pick up a chicken, fell a tree, climb the mountain EVERYTHING was interactable. even rpg pixelart games dont usually do this and if you're not used to video games it takes FOREVER to figure out what you can and cannot do (why cant I jump over a fence or go in the water :D) you learn it quickly for sure, but it's so arbitrary for non-gamers
Agreed, playing Sekrio for the 3rd time now and I've beaten Isshin twice now, but I don't finish the fight, I restart the game and do it again until I beat him in a no hit parry only way, just like speed running these challenges are what keeps the game that you've played so many times fresh
Unfortunately, unless we're talking about racing games like Trackmania, i completely disagree (and i'm the one who used to speedrun the first Quake). Speedrunners are tiny *minority* of extreme hardcore players and the rest just watch their videos knowing they will never reach the same level of insane dedication.
I think it was one of the Deus Ex developers who did a GDC presentation where he said that games with low visual fidelity are inherently more versatile because you can make lots of different things a lot faster. Especially new mechanics, when you don't need to do weeks of animation for a 10 second thing that the player might never discover. LowFi graphics are not just nostalgia for old people, they are a very valuable tool.
If I can put my two cents in, that section where the player starts and can wall jump out of bounds, I think it would be better to have a little gag or joke or secret the player can find up there, and preventing them from skipping the entire level easily by either making the floor lava, positioning some snipers around the place, or I guess just putting an invisible wall up. In my mind finding a secret alternate route is really cool, even if its intended, if its challenging and rewarding thats all I want.
The bit about locked doors being a broken promise reminded me of an episode of Murder She Wrote. It was show in the 90s that followed Jessica Fletcher, a renown mystery author. In the episode "A Virtual Murder" Jessica is having a VR game created about one of her books (90s fictional VR), and upon seeing a locked door she states "A locked door that cannot be opened is unfair to the players, I mean they'll assume that it holds some significance." Much of that episode doesn't really hold water, but that line is a good one. Kind of like chekhov's gun, but with doors.
This is an incredibly good video on legitamate motivation, not artifical motivation like free battlepasses and dailies. I really like the take on the fundamentals, seeing that these are tactics that can be applied to small indie game projects. It just really focuses on the fun people have with games, and what makes something a surprise hit for how simple it was. Especially liked the talk on stacking powers and the 5 vs 31 move set. Just awesome!
Really impressive how you went from a very rough prototype to having a community in a couple months! Props to your effort and commitment, the game is really growing into something awesome!
This is the first time I've encountered this game, and it looks awesome! What amazed me the most is your proficiency in game design and your commitment to principles like 'less is more,' 'make promises and keep them,' and 'mechanical synergy.' It's truly shaping up to be an amazing game. I'll be sure to keep an eye on it. Hats off to you, sir.
I am loving watching not only your game and community grow, but I am loving your vlogs talking about the process and how much thought you're putting behind everything. Can't wait to chat about it with you further down the road! ;)
Loved this video, this feels like the most “intelligent” discussion I’ve ever seen in an indie game video and my algorithm is full of them now. Others have mentioned demos but being able to see “Ghosts” from the leaderboard a la Mario Kart or Trackmania while also going for timed medals would be awesome. An additional idea would be to have a map editor to let the community make their own levels that have their own leaderboards. My mind also goes to multiplayer servers, like surfing in Counter Strike, where there is another layer of community to interact with each other in real time. I see that you’re working in Godot (I’m trying to learn game dev with Godot right now so this is cool to see) but I figure that multiplayer can become very challenging and expensive. Regardless, you’ve got a wishlist & sub out of me and I will be checking out the demo later. Best of luck on this project!
so inspiring, absolutely loving every video in this series. I haven't many (or maybe any) devlogs that actual get to this point, talking about playtesting and building a community. keep it up!
7:17 whenever games purposefully make "speedrun routes" most of the time they make speedrunning actually just less fun because where before there was a place where you could find a cool new route or strategy, now there's just a (from a speedrunner's pov) insanely obvious easy way that skips the whole section, and thus it collapses all the possible routes into the one made by the dev, which is usually very simple and boring compared to what the runners are doing elsewhere
I just stumbled on this via the mysterious algorithm but I think one way you could fix your door problem is by not having it display "Locked" when you walk up to a door that only exists as decoration. Most gamers are used to the idea that some doors are just walls, but explicitly saying a door is "locked" implies a way to unlock it.
to be honest, you are the first person on the internet to ask for criticism on a project, then act on said criticism. you have an incredibly fun game! literally just make those animations feel satisfying and it’s gonna be 400 hours for so many more people, but i understand everything is a WIP
I agree with the point that different players crave different rewards. I think that adding a multitude of various motivators is a great idea that will result in a more pleasant experience for everyone.
Happy to have stumbled across this video this morning. Some great nuggets on designing for an emergent experience.. time to go watch your vlog backlog!
Dang, I was about to go to sleep and got trapped in your devlog. Very interesting video, I love it! I like this approach of doing your thing and then observe why you have a specific positive trend in your game so you can exploit it even more and teach others about it. Keep up the great work! 😊
As a speedrunner it's really nice to see a dev actually understand the hobby. People think that speedrunning is done to play as little of a game as possible. I often get comments and such about how speedrunning is stupid and I should just play the game casually and not rush through and miss everything... what those people don't understand is that I already had maxed out all the games I run, you (normally) don't just go from 0 to speedruns. You've done everything else there is to do, there is no more content, no more replayabliy, you speedrun to give the game endless replayablity, not the otherway around (not to have as little playtime as possible) EDIT: And as you sort of touched on, glitches are fun! (as long as they don't impact first time/casual playthroughs and are intentionally done/triggered). OOB is always fun to do, and while it must feel bad to have your entire level/game broken, speedruns have categories for exactly these situations! I haven't looked but I would be surprised if there weren't two separate "In Bounds" and "Out Of Bounds" categories!
Reminds me of the Titanfall 2 tutorial as well. While it also had wallrunning, sliding, and doubling jumping, it had a vast amount of paths that were built into the tutorial and were essentially highlighted for the player to take. It also had a “ghost runner” that would start by taking the simplest and slowest route. After you beat that ghost, you move onto one who takes a faster and more advanced route, until your forced to master the games mechanics to beat the last 3. That doesn’t mean they players still didn’t find their own, even faster, paths through grenade-boosting and gaining speed before starting the tutorial timer, however most of these paths still use a lot of the laid out paths the developer provides. It also has 1 collectible and 1 secret weapon, a grenade launcher which allowed grenade boosting which allowed better times. Not sure if that part was intentional but it worked out really well. That was just a comparison I made, 10/10 great video on map design, especially in single-player linear games, but can still be applied to all types of games.
But bloody, and somehow much more polished than any sonic game in recent memory despite them making millions lol. It’s extremely fun and I love his honesty.
It's always so lovely to find cool Easter eggs and game lore mysteries, it always make me come back to ancient games and keep looking out for mysteries hidden by the devs
The "promise-reward" anology is actualy a nice new (at least to me) way of thinking about the game design. I just got into conversation about why 1 game is famous even if it`s not that good, while 2nd is more polished, came earlier, and have more unique features, this would help me express my thoughts more clearly a lot 1 hour ago XD
One of my most replayed games for over a decade now, is COD Zombies. Talking about the good ones. From 2008 - 2012 The reason why I think I replay these games so much still to this days is because, while there is a formula or strategy to each map, there is just this slight pinch of randomness that keeps the game feeling fresh. You got randmized perk drops, randomized mystery box. Never know what gun you're gonna get. You also on some maps have a set number of rounds before a boss, or special wave spawns in. Not only that, but if you are good at the game whenever you go down or die, it feels like it was your fault, not the games, and that kinda motivates you to keep trying. Not to mention it is wave based, so you have that insentive to keep trying and see how high you can push the rounds. It's also not easy either. As the rounds progress there are more zombies in a round, and there health increases too. It gets kinda crazy after a while, if you happen to have a game where you make it past wave 30 most guns end up becoming obsolete. Then you have to rely on traps or the Wonder Weapons(cause most do infinite damage). Even though the wonder weapons do infinite damage, they typically have little to no ammo, so you need to manage that. Same thing with the traps, even though they too do infinite damage, they can hurt, and kill you. They also need to recharge, and cost points. So they too have downsides that need managing. Oh, don't even get me started on the fact that you need to maintain and manage points and be smart with how you use them( in the early stages at least). Okay, I'm gone. I rambled too much. Long in short of it is. There needs to be a formula/strategy, slight randomness, something to break up the flow every now and then, a goal to work towards, scaling difficulty, maybe an economy, and some form of super weapon, or weapons. That's all. Take care. Something I just remembered. Crimson Land: "The Original Vampire Survivor" It's just called crimson land, I added that last part myself Also, that game of yours looks really cool. It looks like a Boomer Shooter which I love. But not just any boomer shooter, it looks like Quake. It looks like you took Quake, sped it up a bit, gave it a slide mechanic, and made it melee only. Which I love, looks fun. I think I'll pick this game up when it drops fully.
@@overratedprogrammerMinecraft is a sandbox game that takes priority on creativity and exploration, I would imagine it could get boring but it’s usually boring for people who look at the game like an rpg or have played it for 12 years lol
One of the best devlogs out there. Game looks neat so far, videos are packed with useful information about game design, and the fact that there's speedrunning community already... very, very cool
I think from a learning perspective, this is probably the most high quality devlog I've watched. You pack so much knowledge and experience into your videos.
@@Blargis3d Most devlogs focus on practical implementations. You skipped a lot of this stuff and talked about the storytelling and gameplay aspect. That was something I haven't seen a lot. I plan on showing the series to two of my friends sometime in the future. I really enjoyed it.
Another part that’s so replayable is the lack of actual game, you’re gonna finish the game and want to play more because you love the design of it but simply there’s not enough levels so you replay it till you’re satisfied
Never seen this game or this channel before to my knowledge, but the fact that you as the developer approach game dev the way you do definitely makes me want to try your game just to support you.
Wow, dude this is really good content, not even just the development but how you explain game design and such, honestly I'd just watch you deconstruct games and their design because you explain things in a simple and understandable way while also revealing their depth and actually choosing topics that matter and are complex. This is grade A premium stuff right here
Fantastic video- I'm working on a level based game as well and struggling a bit with replayability, I'll have to adopt some of the concepts you presented. Cheers!
Video pops up in my recommendations. I watch 5 min and I'm like f**k that, I'm buying this game. Going to steam and I get "Coming soon". Wishlisted it, waiting for the release!
its really interesting to hear a devs perspective on how players play their game and what devs do to enhance the experience, its nice to see a thankful dev that respects fans
This video is extremely well done and actually explains quite a lot of concepts that make sense. I initially put it into my "watch later", as I checked the number of views and your subs and demeed it "it's gonna be one of those videos I watch for fun, not for learning, maybe later", but that was a pretty incorrect judgment call from me there. Really loaded with good thoughts and tips I can take away. Thank you!
bro, this video is GOLD. you dropped so many nuggets are legit valuable and it gets me so fired up to follow your example. thanks so much for this. s.n. have you ever looked into teaching? presenting concepts in a way that actually passes on the value is actually not a common skill, but i feel i was grasping everything you were say very easily. I think you have a gift for that bro!
Invisible walls are a common type of broken promise, especially in games with secrets. To avoid it, make sure that if it looks like you could reach that location, make sure you can. As for level skips, this is where any% and 100% categories come into play. For 100% folk, you can add enemies, collectables etc. for those who want to clear it. Another replayability you missed: custom content. Baba Is You is a rather long game already but what really makes it replayable is its level editor which is very easy to use, plus the game is moddable as well. You can easily have hundreds, if not thousands of hours playing custom levels.
A little tip I learned from studying the level design in ULTRAKILL is: Make movement so that your players can get anywhere, and then design levels around that. Right now, your movement in Blood Thief is already pretty much there, there's a huge amount of freedom in where you can go. So what you can do with that freedom is design levels without having to worry about where the player can or can't go (for the most part). Obviously test things beforehand. But always physically block off out of bounds spaces with the assumption that players will find ways to get there, or try putting secrets or collectables in places like that. Just make sure if you place a secret that you actually test to make sure it's absolutely possible. The more freedom you give your movement system, the more whacky places you can put secrets, but Blood Thief's movement already opens up a lot of potential
The number one aspect of making a good game is to remake the world when it isn't fun. The reason why most AAA games aren't fun anymore is because they spend tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars on world creation and character animations/graphics. A good game is never defined by its graphics. A good game has a compelling game loop, period. If the world conflicts with that loop, the world must change.
This is so rad, and really valuable lessons. I loved your comment about keeping promises to the player - it reminds me of a concept I learned in film-making; "Don't ever show a character holding a gun unless they're actually going to use it at some point."
I don’t think there are many game devs talking about game design in the way you are doing it. You are doing an excellent job sharing all your knowledge and ideas. I’m looking forward to your next video.
I've been developing my understanding of game design for years now, yet your discussion of sparking curiosity in players was so insightful my mind got genuinely blown away. It feels like it's been right in front of me this whole time yet I just never thought about it. Thanks for the video! Also, have you played Neon White? It feels like it would be a fantastic inspiration for your game. The way you talk about your game immediately made me think it should have some sort of time medals.
I think the mission challenges of the recent hitman games are also pretty good for replayability, maybe you could combine the rogue like stuff with the challenges. Like show the challenges you were able to complete (fast time, pacifist, etc) and then also suggest two or three randomly that you made no progress towards to get you interested (maybe the collectables ones). The player feedback on unlocking those in hitman just feels so good.
Quite a few elements that we both explore in the ways we can implement them, speedrun, combination of mechanics, content to be discovered 🌈🕹️☯️ I'm just amazed at how a tutorial level is getting traction 😅 good job 👍
awe sum (i wanna play this now :3) also, the binomial coefficients at 14:00 were kinda unnecessary, the sum of C(n, k) for all k is 2^n, so the number of choices is 2^n - 1. you could also find it as all possible combinations of moves (2^n because there are 2 options for each move: you either use it or you dont) minus 1 (the 1 is for when you use none of the moves)
Whoah, that's awesome. Kinda sucks that I made it seem more complicated than it actually is, but hey, glad I learned something new :) Thanks for explaining!
I have to be crazy or at the very least horribly out of the loop. Why is this the only Indi dev i've seen who's making youtube content like this? Really enjoyed this. Subbed. If anyone has any recommendations for other devs talking bout their games please share.
The play looks fast and fresh, and i was impressed with your presentation, simple and entertaining. I subscribed around 3 mins in and was joyful i did 4 mins learning about replayability which i was thinking about just days ago and seeing your different approach to it, and ugh the fkn cheaters, and seeing it ACTUALLY get handled ❤️, manually, because you really do care! laughing at that employee meme, i am overall very happy with the sincerity and the whole format and process going through it all. You respect your players and your viewing audience and just feels like you love gaming and gamers and are grateful to be making this, learning, and sharing the progress, the mistakes, and the lessons learned. 10 mins in, you made me remember being a kid and my imagination going wild seeing my first games and being crushed how it wasnt possible to explore the backgrounds, that there were so many heartbreaking limitations. I fully support those doors staying, and opening and being rewarded with something inside, even if its just a trophy type item for the end screen. Or maybe collect them all, like in the game journey, collect all the things and you get the masterful white re-skin rather than the red. Being in first person that is less effective of a reward here, but it's just an example. this video is my first introduction to your game, and probably my only critical opinion so far is thinking the games name bloodthief needs an upgrade somehow. It feels incomplete, like it needs an extra word or two in the title. Your game isnt even finished yet but I can easily see this having some even more amazing sequels lmao
I think a good reward for speed runners would be if you beat a stage under a certain time it unlocks a weapon skin. Your game reminds of me ghost runner and unlocking new swords was always really cool
Stopped halfway through the video and joined the playtest. I found myself humming the Doom theme as soon as i felt the movement style. Also, the momentum and movement mechanics immediately made me want to explore. "If I can wall run then perhaps i can slide jump to build speed and wall run to the higher area." "If I string wall jumps and runs together to reach this weird spot maybe there will be something there." Even when there wasn't a reward, just getting to those hard to reach spots was a rewarding challenge. This game is so much fun! Cannot wait to see where you go with it.
I felt I need to mention this: especially second point (curiosity and rewards) is the main driver why and how Deep Rock Galactic Survivor is an absolute masterpiece. It is so simple and yet, so addictive because those two points! I just realized it once you mentioned, so thanks for bringing light on that! Interesting video, keep up the good work.
Damn, I don’t know how my algorithm got me here but this was a joy to watch. I have zero desire to be a developer but I love your style of explaining thing.
I think a good idea would be too add a score system like in ultrakill. So say if you beat level in under 40 seconds you get an A rating. When ever a game has something like that i reply the level a lot of times to perfect my run. Just a suggestion 🙂.
Smart procedural generation could make for a really fun endless runner in this game-- it's probably gonna need OOB clips to be sealed up real well to keep honest fun gameplay though, haha
You had a really really good point from 9:12 is SO true. There's a weird sense of discontent from the time spent playing on games with great realistic graphics. It's something I've had stuck in my mind for a while but couldn't describe in words. But you nailed it exactly! Older games are more satisfying because everything you see you can basically interact with because they only let you see what mattered when working with the limitations of their technology. But now games having huge environments with so much eye candy... that you can't even interact with. The thing is with great graphics and eye candy like this... it gets boring and irrelevant _really_ fast. Especially when replaying. It's what you can do in the game that really sticks and generates fun. "Insane realistic graphics" aren't that important in games, and the entire evolution of games in general even BEFORE videogames really makes it obvious. I will say though, and this is probably just a personal preference (with I think a smidge of actual scientific reasoning somewhere), even with simpler graphics great lighting is absolutely massive to have. You can have the lowest quality graphics possible, but if the lighting is stellar/realistic, you'll think it's beautiful. Take Valheim for example, it's got simple low poly graphics, yet it's absolutely beautiful.. and in my opinion it's all thanks to the lighting. Lighting is insanely impactful for visual satisfaction.
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You can playtest the game by going to the Bloodthief steam page here: store.steampowered.com/app/2533600/Bloodthief/
Just click "Request Access" under where it says "Join the Bloodthief Playtest". Thanks for playing and don't forget to wishlist! ♥
@@weirdthing729I don’t know if it will be realised to Mac natively, but right now with whisky( it is similar to wine), the game runs super good( for being in a translation layer). Using the stock settings, I can get a steady 120 fps at the laggiest points. But the frame times are good and it does not stutter. My specs are just a base m1 Mac mini with 8gb of air.
Then this should correlate to Team Fortress 2.
Just an idea for the locked doors, instead of having like a whole other set of rooms maybe have like a combat arena that spawns a bunch of enemies and gives the player some kind of buff or powerup if they kill them all
You can have unopenable doors. You just need to make them look different from other doors.
fortnite has loads of problems with cheaters
Wow, Blargis. It's insane how this game went from a rough concept not too long ago to a game with a speedrunning community. Congrats! I'm blown away.
Thank you! Yeah the speedrunning community starting to form is really exciting :)
@@Blargis3dHey, I’m working on a survival game (low poly) called sticks n stones. This replayability overview has helped me better understand how to make an addictive game. (I like how you hint at emergent gameplay as well, which is much easier to implement then most people think)
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The "broken promises in AAA titles" is a fantastic concept that could use a lot more exploring. (first time viewer here FYI)
Glad you found this interesting, maybe I'll explore this in a future vid!
Actually a video topic with high virality.
@@Blargis3d Talking about realism vs practical stylistic design sounds good too!
This put into words something huge I've been feeling since forever!
This is something I'm thinking about a lot. The promises given by AAA graphics and details work wonderfully in trailers and even let's plays, since they aren't broken when you don't see and feel them break.
But as soon as you play such games, promises break left and right. It feels clunky as hell.
A game IS the sum of it's promises. It actually punishes experimentation, when only parts of the promises are actually beneficial to the intended gameplay in the first place and most promises are broken either way. This leads to devs having to guide players through a labyrinth of broken promises and hold their hand all the time.
omg you're so right aout th "broken promises" I think that's why as a previous non-gamer I fell in love with breath of the wild. wanna climb a tree? go ahead! wanna jump around on roofs? suure! swim? YES. pick up a chicken, fell a tree, climb the mountain EVERYTHING was interactable. even rpg pixelart games dont usually do this and if you're not used to video games it takes FOREVER to figure out what you can and cannot do (why cant I jump over a fence or go in the water :D) you learn it quickly for sure, but it's so arbitrary for non-gamers
I agree, trying to beat the game as fast as possible is what I consider to be the best replay factor. Really cool! I cant wait for new levels
Working on new levels now, so stay tuned :)
@@Blargis3d Cool! Keep it pushing
Agreed, playing Sekrio for the 3rd time now and I've beaten Isshin twice now, but I don't finish the fight, I restart the game and do it again until I beat him in a no hit parry only way, just like speed running these challenges are what keeps the game that you've played so many times fresh
Unfortunately, unless we're talking about racing games like Trackmania, i completely disagree (and i'm the one who used to speedrun the first Quake). Speedrunners are tiny *minority* of extreme hardcore players and the rest just watch their videos knowing they will never reach the same level of insane dedication.
I think it was one of the Deus Ex developers who did a GDC presentation where he said that games with low visual fidelity are inherently more versatile because you can make lots of different things a lot faster. Especially new mechanics, when you don't need to do weeks of animation for a 10 second thing that the player might never discover.
LowFi graphics are not just nostalgia for old people, they are a very valuable tool.
level creator will be one of the best things for replayability
I agree
that's how geometry dash survived nearly 7 years with no updates
If I can put my two cents in, that section where the player starts and can wall jump out of bounds, I think it would be better to have a little gag or joke or secret the player can find up there, and preventing them from skipping the entire level easily by either making the floor lava, positioning some snipers around the place, or I guess just putting an invisible wall up. In my mind finding a secret alternate route is really cool, even if its intended, if its challenging and rewarding thats all I want.
Bro is reading documents on HIS mechanics
you can create the tech but never the technician
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The bit about locked doors being a broken promise reminded me of an episode of Murder She Wrote. It was show in the 90s that followed Jessica Fletcher, a renown mystery author.
In the episode "A Virtual Murder" Jessica is having a VR game created about one of her books (90s fictional VR), and upon seeing a locked door she states "A locked door that cannot be opened is unfair to the players, I mean they'll assume that it holds some significance."
Much of that episode doesn't really hold water, but that line is a good one. Kind of like chekhov's gun, but with doors.
I loved that show as a kid
Hell yea Jake, excited to see where you bring this. Just had some friends try it out and left some feedback.
woot! Thanks for the support man, appreciate the feedback!
16:03 I agree, it would be quite interesting to have a castle exterior with enemies on top as an alternate path that feels natural.
This project is cool. Can really feel your connection to the community involved!
This is an incredibly good video on legitamate motivation, not artifical motivation like free battlepasses and dailies. I really like the take on the fundamentals, seeing that these are tactics that can be applied to small indie game projects. It just really focuses on the fun people have with games, and what makes something a surprise hit for how simple it was. Especially liked the talk on stacking powers and the 5 vs 31 move set.
Just awesome!
Really impressive how you went from a very rough prototype to having a community in a couple months! Props to your effort and commitment, the game is really growing into something awesome!
4:04 as your internet lawyer I have to inform you this is a legally binding contract
This is the first time I've encountered this game, and it looks awesome! What amazed me the most is your proficiency in game design and your commitment to principles like 'less is more,' 'make promises and keep them,' and 'mechanical synergy.' It's truly shaping up to be an amazing game. I'll be sure to keep an eye on it.
Hats off to you, sir.
Fast backward, almost 30 years back. Quake 1.
I am loving watching not only your game and community grow, but I am loving your vlogs talking about the process and how much thought you're putting behind everything. Can't wait to chat about it with you further down the road! ;)
Dude this video is great!! amazingly eloquent
thank you!
Loved this video, this feels like the most “intelligent” discussion I’ve ever seen in an indie game video and my algorithm is full of them now.
Others have mentioned demos but being able to see “Ghosts” from the leaderboard a la Mario Kart or Trackmania while also going for timed medals would be awesome. An additional idea would be to have a map editor to let the community make their own levels that have their own leaderboards. My mind also goes to multiplayer servers, like surfing in Counter Strike, where there is another layer of community to interact with each other in real time. I see that you’re working in Godot (I’m trying to learn game dev with Godot right now so this is cool to see) but I figure that multiplayer can become very challenging and expensive.
Regardless, you’ve got a wishlist & sub out of me and I will be checking out the demo later. Best of luck on this project!
so inspiring, absolutely loving every video in this series. I haven't many (or maybe any) devlogs that actual get to this point, talking about playtesting and building a community. keep it up!
7:17 whenever games purposefully make "speedrun routes" most of the time they make speedrunning actually just less fun because where before there was a place where you could find a cool new route or strategy, now there's just a (from a speedrunner's pov) insanely obvious easy way that skips the whole section, and thus it collapses all the possible routes into the one made by the dev, which is usually very simple and boring compared to what the runners are doing elsewhere
I just stumbled on this via the mysterious algorithm but I think one way you could fix your door problem is by not having it display "Locked" when you walk up to a door that only exists as decoration. Most gamers are used to the idea that some doors are just walls, but explicitly saying a door is "locked" implies a way to unlock it.
Good point. AND then could make it look broken. That's typical too.
This is one of the best "devlogs" I've ever seen here on RUclips. Extremely informative instead of flashy and full of fillers. Loved your content!
Love the dev logs, looking forward to when you release a build
There is a free playtest build publicly available to play right now via steam!
It’s so cool to watch something like this happen and all the learning required behind it, 10/10
to be honest, you are the first person on the internet to ask for criticism on a project, then act on said criticism. you have an incredibly fun game! literally just make those animations feel satisfying and it’s gonna be 400 hours for so many more people, but i understand everything is a WIP
I agree with the point that different players crave different rewards. I think that adding a multitude of various motivators is a great idea that will result in a more pleasant experience for everyone.
Happy to have stumbled across this video this morning. Some great nuggets on designing for an emergent experience.. time to go watch your vlog backlog!
Dang, I was about to go to sleep and got trapped in your devlog. Very interesting video, I love it! I like this approach of doing your thing and then observe why you have a specific positive trend in your game so you can exploit it even more and teach others about it. Keep up the great work! 😊
Excellent point about mechanics playing together... really changes the feel when you can incorporate them in various ways
Really interesting and insightful. I'm currently trying to learn more about this stuff myself and this video really helps. Thank you for sharing!
As a speedrunner it's really nice to see a dev actually understand the hobby. People think that speedrunning is done to play as little of a game as possible. I often get comments and such about how speedrunning is stupid and I should just play the game casually and not rush through and miss everything... what those people don't understand is that I already had maxed out all the games I run, you (normally) don't just go from 0 to speedruns. You've done everything else there is to do, there is no more content, no more replayabliy, you speedrun to give the game endless replayablity, not the otherway around (not to have as little playtime as possible)
EDIT: And as you sort of touched on, glitches are fun! (as long as they don't impact first time/casual playthroughs and are intentionally done/triggered). OOB is always fun to do, and while it must feel bad to have your entire level/game broken, speedruns have categories for exactly these situations! I haven't looked but I would be surprised if there weren't two separate "In Bounds" and "Out Of Bounds" categories!
Reminds me of the Titanfall 2 tutorial as well.
While it also had wallrunning, sliding, and doubling jumping, it had a vast amount of paths that were built into the tutorial and were essentially highlighted for the player to take.
It also had a “ghost runner” that would start by taking the simplest and slowest route.
After you beat that ghost, you move onto one who takes a faster and more advanced route, until your forced to master the games mechanics to beat the last 3.
That doesn’t mean they players still didn’t find their own, even faster, paths through grenade-boosting and gaining speed before starting the tutorial timer, however most of these paths still use a lot of the laid out paths the developer provides.
It also has 1 collectible and 1 secret weapon, a grenade launcher which allowed grenade boosting which allowed better times. Not sure if that part was intentional but it worked out really well.
That was just a comparison I made, 10/10 great video on map design, especially in single-player linear games, but can still be applied to all types of games.
ok so you basically made Sonic the Hedgehog
But bloody, and somehow much more polished than any sonic game in recent memory despite them making millions lol. It’s extremely fun and I love his honesty.
guy who has only played sonic the hedgehog, seeing his second fast-paced game: "getting allota sonic the hedgehog vibes from this"
Rewarding experimentation is one of my gamedev goals for my next project 😊
Thank you for being such an awesome inspiration!
Some really great analysis. Would love to see some more of this kind of stuff!
super interesting stuff, one of the best insights on game design I've seen, loved bloodthief when I played it a few months ago keep up the good work!
It's always so lovely to find cool Easter eggs and game lore mysteries, it always make me come back to ancient games and keep looking out for mysteries hidden by the devs
This video is so good, I love the idea this game has! Can’t wait to see how far it goes!
These videos are so inspiring!! great job!!!
Thank you! Glad you're liking them :)
The "promise-reward" anology is actualy a nice new (at least to me) way of thinking about the game design. I just got into conversation about why 1 game is famous even if it`s not that good, while 2nd is more polished, came earlier, and have more unique features, this would help me express my thoughts more clearly a lot 1 hour ago XD
One of my most replayed games for over a decade now, is COD Zombies. Talking about the good ones. From 2008 - 2012 The reason why I think I replay these games so much still to this days is because, while there is a formula or strategy to each map, there is just this slight pinch of randomness that keeps the game feeling fresh. You got randmized perk drops, randomized mystery box. Never know what gun you're gonna get. You also on some maps have a set number of rounds before a boss, or special wave spawns in. Not only that, but if you are good at the game whenever you go down or die, it feels like it was your fault, not the games, and that kinda motivates you to keep trying. Not to mention it is wave based, so you have that insentive to keep trying and see how high you can push the rounds. It's also not easy either. As the rounds progress there are more zombies in a round, and there health increases too. It gets kinda crazy after a while, if you happen to have a game where you make it past wave 30 most guns end up becoming obsolete. Then you have to rely on traps or the Wonder Weapons(cause most do infinite damage). Even though the wonder weapons do infinite damage, they typically have little to no ammo, so you need to manage that. Same thing with the traps, even though they too do infinite damage, they can hurt, and kill you. They also need to recharge, and cost points. So they too have downsides that need managing. Oh, don't even get me started on the fact that you need to maintain and manage points and be smart with how you use them( in the early stages at least).
Okay, I'm gone. I rambled too much. Long in short of it is. There needs to be a formula/strategy, slight randomness, something to break up the flow every now and then, a goal to work towards, scaling difficulty, maybe an economy, and some form of super weapon, or weapons.
That's all. Take care.
Something I just remembered. Crimson Land: "The Original Vampire Survivor"
It's just called crimson land, I added that last part myself
Also, that game of yours looks really cool. It looks like a Boomer Shooter which I love. But not just any boomer shooter, it looks like Quake. It looks like you took Quake, sped it up a bit, gave it a slide mechanic, and made it melee only. Which I love, looks fun. I think I'll pick this game up when it drops fully.
I agree. The best era of CoD Zombies is my most replayable game too. Even something like Minecraft gets boring.
@@overratedprogrammerMinecraft is a sandbox game that takes priority on creativity and exploration, I would imagine it could get boring but it’s usually boring for people who look at the game like an rpg or have played it for 12 years lol
One of the best devlogs out there. Game looks neat so far, videos are packed with useful information about game design, and the fact that there's speedrunning community already... very, very cool
I think from a learning perspective, this is probably the most high quality devlog I've watched. You pack so much knowledge and experience into your videos.
Wow that’s really kind of you to say, thank you!
@@Blargis3d Most devlogs focus on practical implementations. You skipped a lot of this stuff and talked about the storytelling and gameplay aspect. That was something I haven't seen a lot.
I plan on showing the series to two of my friends sometime in the future. I really enjoyed it.
I’m and industry lead game designer and I gotta say this is one of the best game design videos I’ve seen on youtube in many years.
Love the design focused nature of these videos. Thanks for sharing :)
Another part that’s so replayable is the lack of actual game, you’re gonna finish the game and want to play more because you love the design of it but simply there’s not enough levels so you replay it till you’re satisfied
You are both a great gamedev and an awesome video maker too buddy, keep up the good work and people gonna give you back that a hundred Time more !
Never seen this game or this channel before to my knowledge, but the fact that you as the developer approach game dev the way you do definitely makes me want to try your game just to support you.
I’m glad I happened upon your channel, you are great and informative
Wow, dude this is really good content, not even just the development but how you explain game design and such, honestly I'd just watch you deconstruct games and their design because you explain things in a simple and understandable way while also revealing their depth and actually choosing topics that matter and are complex. This is grade A premium stuff right here
Fantastic video- I'm working on a level based game as well and struggling a bit with replayability, I'll have to adopt some of the concepts you presented. Cheers!
can't wait to get this full game, keep up the great work Blargis!
Video pops up in my recommendations. I watch 5 min and I'm like f**k that, I'm buying this game. Going to steam and I get "Coming soon".
Wishlisted it, waiting for the release!
Great content, thanks for sharing! I added few of these steps unconsciously to my game,good to know :D
Really well structured video, and game looks awesom!
That was an interesting watch, thanks for the video!
its really interesting to hear a devs perspective on how players play their game and what devs do to enhance the experience, its nice to see a thankful dev that respects fans
This game looks so awesome, and this is an excellent dev log!
9:16 this voiced one of those concerns that I could never find the right words for, just had a feeling for. Thank you.
This video is extremely well done and actually explains quite a lot of concepts that make sense. I initially put it into my "watch later", as I checked the number of views and your subs and demeed it "it's gonna be one of those videos I watch for fun, not for learning, maybe later", but that was a pretty incorrect judgment call from me there. Really loaded with good thoughts and tips I can take away. Thank you!
You've earned a sub. Your devlog is a course in game design and more importantly, the iterative process and using audience feedback.
Impressive! Can't wait to see what's next!
you are very underrated i actually learned quite a bit that i will put in my own games thanks
THAT GAME LOOKS SO SICK! THE FACT THAT I WANT TO DOWNLOAD THAT AND DO THOSE FAST SKIPS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT MEANS YOUR GAME IS PROBABLY AMAZING!
It's really cool to see the evolution of the game and the community in real time. I don't think i've followed this closely along with a game in years.
bro, this video is GOLD. you dropped so many nuggets are legit valuable and it gets me so fired up to follow your example. thanks so much for this. s.n. have you ever looked into teaching? presenting concepts in a way that actually passes on the value is actually not a common skill, but i feel i was grasping everything you were say very easily. I think you have a gift for that bro!
Invisible walls are a common type of broken promise, especially in games with secrets. To avoid it, make sure that if it looks like you could reach that location, make sure you can.
As for level skips, this is where any% and 100% categories come into play. For 100% folk, you can add enemies, collectables etc. for those who want to clear it.
Another replayability you missed: custom content. Baba Is You is a rather long game already but what really makes it replayable is its level editor which is very easy to use, plus the game is moddable as well. You can easily have hundreds, if not thousands of hours playing custom levels.
A little tip I learned from studying the level design in ULTRAKILL is: Make movement so that your players can get anywhere, and then design levels around that. Right now, your movement in Blood Thief is already pretty much there, there's a huge amount of freedom in where you can go. So what you can do with that freedom is design levels without having to worry about where the player can or can't go (for the most part). Obviously test things beforehand. But always physically block off out of bounds spaces with the assumption that players will find ways to get there, or try putting secrets or collectables in places like that. Just make sure if you place a secret that you actually test to make sure it's absolutely possible.
The more freedom you give your movement system, the more whacky places you can put secrets, but Blood Thief's movement already opens up a lot of potential
I love how you’re discovering all this stuff and sharing it. Thank you.
You sir have earned yourself a wishlist
The number one aspect of making a good game is to remake the world when it isn't fun. The reason why most AAA games aren't fun anymore is because they spend tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars on world creation and character animations/graphics. A good game is never defined by its graphics. A good game has a compelling game loop, period. If the world conflicts with that loop, the world must change.
This is so rad, and really valuable lessons. I loved your comment about keeping promises to the player - it reminds me of a concept I learned in film-making; "Don't ever show a character holding a gun unless they're actually going to use it at some point."
I don’t think there are many game devs talking about game design in the way you are doing it. You are doing an excellent job sharing all your knowledge and ideas. I’m looking forward to your next video.
I've been developing my understanding of game design for years now, yet your discussion of sparking curiosity in players was so insightful my mind got genuinely blown away.
It feels like it's been right in front of me this whole time yet I just never thought about it. Thanks for the video!
Also, have you played Neon White? It feels like it would be a fantastic inspiration for your game. The way you talk about your game immediately made me think it should have some sort of time medals.
I think the mission challenges of the recent hitman games are also pretty good for replayability, maybe you could combine the rogue like stuff with the challenges.
Like show the challenges you were able to complete (fast time, pacifist, etc) and then also suggest two or three randomly that you made no progress towards to get you interested (maybe the collectables ones).
The player feedback on unlocking those in hitman just feels so good.
0:03 what's the bottom left game called?
Hades
rocket league
Fellow dev here (also new here). Phenomenal work! Not just on your game, but also on these videos!
Very happy to see your game getting realized and players enjoying it ❤
Even though I'm last on the tutorial board I'm happy to have seen myself in a clip of the leaderboard. I am also trying to improve.
Quite a few elements that we both explore in the ways we can implement them, speedrun, combination of mechanics, content to be discovered 🌈🕹️☯️
I'm just amazed at how a tutorial level is getting traction 😅 good job 👍
game looks great, love the parkour / slide / climb / speedrun aspect
I love how your videos are about your game but we always learn something that we can apply for our games
awe sum (i wanna play this now :3)
also, the binomial coefficients at 14:00 were kinda unnecessary, the sum of C(n, k) for all k is 2^n, so the number of choices is 2^n - 1. you could also find it as all possible combinations of moves (2^n because there are 2 options for each move: you either use it or you dont) minus 1 (the 1 is for when you use none of the moves)
Whoah, that's awesome. Kinda sucks that I made it seem more complicated than it actually is, but hey, glad I learned something new :) Thanks for explaining!
I have to be crazy or at the very least horribly out of the loop. Why is this the only Indi dev i've seen who's making youtube content like this? Really enjoyed this. Subbed. If anyone has any recommendations for other devs talking bout their games please share.
The play looks fast and fresh, and i was impressed with your presentation, simple and entertaining. I subscribed around 3 mins in and was joyful i did 4 mins learning about replayability which i was thinking about just days ago and seeing your different approach to it, and ugh the fkn cheaters, and seeing it ACTUALLY get handled ❤️, manually, because you really do care! laughing at that employee meme, i am overall very happy with the sincerity and the whole format and process going through it all. You respect your players and your viewing audience and just feels like you love gaming and gamers and are grateful to be making this, learning, and sharing the progress, the mistakes, and the lessons learned.
10 mins in, you made me remember being a kid and my imagination going wild seeing my first games and being crushed how it wasnt possible to explore the backgrounds, that there were so many heartbreaking limitations. I fully support those doors staying, and opening and being rewarded with something inside, even if its just a trophy type item for the end screen. Or maybe collect them all, like in the game journey, collect all the things and you get the masterful white re-skin rather than the red. Being in first person that is less effective of a reward here, but it's just an example.
this video is my first introduction to your game, and probably my only critical opinion so far is thinking the games name bloodthief needs an upgrade somehow. It feels incomplete, like it needs an extra word or two in the title. Your game isnt even finished yet but I can easily see this having some even more amazing sequels lmao
Genuinely great video with amazing insights on game design I dont hear talked enough. Brilliant!
After watching your devlog series I tried the game myself and oh boy, I haven't had this much fun playing games in a loong time.
This is no joke, one of the highest value game dev videos I've ever seen in my whole life
You've earned a subscriber. Your videos are straight to the point, super interesting and filled with useful tips. Hats off.
I think a good reward for speed runners would be if you beat a stage under a certain time it unlocks a weapon skin. Your game reminds of me ghost runner and unlocking new swords was always really cool
Stopped halfway through the video and joined the playtest. I found myself humming the Doom theme as soon as i felt the movement style. Also, the momentum and movement mechanics immediately made me want to explore. "If I can wall run then perhaps i can slide jump to build speed and wall run to the higher area." "If I string wall jumps and runs together to reach this weird spot maybe there will be something there." Even when there wasn't a reward, just getting to those hard to reach spots was a rewarding challenge. This game is so much fun! Cannot wait to see where you go with it.
I felt I need to mention this: especially second point (curiosity and rewards) is the main driver why and how Deep Rock Galactic Survivor is an absolute masterpiece. It is so simple and yet, so addictive because those two points! I just realized it once you mentioned, so thanks for bringing light on that!
Interesting video, keep up the good work.
Damn, I don’t know how my algorithm got me here but this was a joy to watch. I have zero desire to be a developer but I love your style of explaining thing.
I think a good idea would be too add a score system like in ultrakill. So say if you beat level in under 40 seconds you get an A rating. When ever a game has something like that i reply the level a lot of times to perfect my run. Just a suggestion 🙂.
Smart procedural generation could make for a really fun endless runner in this game-- it's probably gonna need OOB clips to be sealed up real well to keep honest fun gameplay though, haha
That or make it deliberately in space so OOB just doesn't have platforms
This is very indepth for game design, you should totally make a vid series on what you found useful in your process! Kudos mate
As a speedrunner myself, I can tell you that all you're saying is so true!!!
Keep up the good work, your game looks very satisfying to play 👌
You had a really really good point from 9:12 is SO true.
There's a weird sense of discontent from the time spent playing on games with great realistic graphics. It's something I've had stuck in my mind for a while but couldn't describe in words. But you nailed it exactly!
Older games are more satisfying because everything you see you can basically interact with because they only let you see what mattered when working with the limitations of their technology. But now games having huge environments with so much eye candy... that you can't even interact with. The thing is with great graphics and eye candy like this... it gets boring and irrelevant _really_ fast. Especially when replaying. It's what you can do in the game that really sticks and generates fun.
"Insane realistic graphics" aren't that important in games, and the entire evolution of games in general even BEFORE videogames really makes it obvious. I will say though, and this is probably just a personal preference (with I think a smidge of actual scientific reasoning somewhere), even with simpler graphics great lighting is absolutely massive to have. You can have the lowest quality graphics possible, but if the lighting is stellar/realistic, you'll think it's beautiful. Take Valheim for example, it's got simple low poly graphics, yet it's absolutely beautiful.. and in my opinion it's all thanks to the lighting. Lighting is insanely impactful for visual satisfaction.