Christian vs Eastern Orthodox (EPIC Chat)
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this chat, we dive into the key differences between the Eastern Orthodox Church and Bible-believing Christianity.
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Regarding the title, it's just describing what each person primarily describes themselves as. Ryan as "Christian", and the viewer guest as "Eastern Orthodox".
I'm not saying that everyone who attends an Orthodox church isn't a true Christian, because some may attend and trust in Christ alone and not sacraments or any other works to save them. But if someone trusts in the official orthodox beliefs (of faith+works) and deny that Jesus took the punishment for our sins, they aren't saved.
Could you change the title to something else that doesn't make it seem like it was a debate? I've been getting a lot of whiplash because of this video. I'm not asking you to take it down, even though it would be best... But please consider changing the title to something else, maybe (Orthodox Christian asks about Christian beliefs)? The title just makes it seem like it was a debate, which it simply was not.. I even said it was not during the call. Thank you and God bless 🙏
So if you only believe that just by believing in Christ you're saved-you will indeed be saved, but if you believe in Christ AND that you need good works, sacraments etc as well- you're not going to be saved? Does that really make sense to you?
we have to take our cross and follow christ. and what it means to take our cross? It's just faith? No, Jesus fasted, prayed and lived as perfect man. So, I, sinfull man, Will be asked more. Jesus doesn't needs our faith or works he wants us to be perfect just like him. What makes us perfect men? we have to fully submit ourselves to Jesus christ. So as a man cann't live and do nothing that's why we have to do every work for Jesus Christ.Sorry for my poor english.
@@uroszivkovic9988 it does
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"christian vs Eastern Orthodox" is wild.
They dont see us as real christians, they see us as heretics some of them but doctrinally technacially according too them we are heretics according to orthodox teachings.
The guy is a christian, and the other guy is an Eastern Orthodox. He called himself a christian because he doesn't subscribe to a specific denomination, he just calls himself a 'christian'. But the other guy specifically said he was an Eastern Orthodox. The title isn't saying that the Eastern Orthodox isn't christian, its just signifying the difference of Christian denomination that's all...
@@Merica1776o But does he really have to? You're assuming that he is saying that he is 'more' christian that the orthodox guy, but if you watch the conversation, nothing about what he says implies that the orthodox guy is not christian. I mean you could go even further and ask why he doesn't put christian after Eastern Orthodox, or why he doesn't say bible-believing in front of christian, etc. Since he doesn't specify to a denomination, why would he have to say 'non-denom', because that is inherently a denomination itself right? It creates a separation which is what the Jesus specifically preaches against. He only calls the orthodox guy that because he was the one who called himself it...
@@czadeen195 “Christian” is more of an umbrella term that doesn’t clarify one’s basis of knowledge, their position or their doctrines. So for the sake of clarification and everyone identifying the two opposing views of Christology, yes I would say he should. Non-denom can also mean a variety of things so even that itself isn’t specific enough and depends upon one’s own interpretations even more so. At least the Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses have clear doctrines that they stand by, however heterodox they may be.
@@czadeen195non-denominationalism is just Protestantism without the name.
Kyle is gonna be pissed
And he could wipe the floor with this guy, this guy is just another Ray Comfort, but he doesn't have that smarmy used car salesman vibe to him.
Kyle who? I wanna watch his channel
@@caitlyn189
Just type "Orthodox kyle" in that search bar, and his channel will come it. It'll just say "Kyle."
@@caitlyn189
Just type "Orthodox Kyle" in the search bar.
His will be the first channel that pops up. It's just called "Kyle."
@@eddardgreybeard ray comfort is a works based faith. That's not what this guy is saying
This is me lol. Thanks for the chat man, would definitely want to have another chat some time ☦ This was NOT a debate. I simply just wanted to ask him questions about what he believed in, and his thoughts on Orthodoxy. I'm not nearly knowledgable enough to be having a debate. If you're wanting to learn more about Orthodoxy please don't take this video to heart and talk to Orthodox apologists.
Thank you for asking these questions.. this was amazing
It's the bro
Hey Orthodox man
I mean 7th ecumenical council is clearly a accreation origen many early christians are atually againsts icon venerations, and it shows that, the ecumenical council are falliable which proves protestantism that the sole highest autority of faith should be the bible.
Around 23 minutes I saw a light come on, God is working in you my friend..
Anyone else come here from OrthodoxKyle? I'd love to see there 2 have a civilized discussion. Christ is King.
Protestant ( 500 yr old tradition ) vs Orthodox Christian ( 2,000 yr old tradition )
Mark 7:8 tradition means nothing and only makes those who follow akin to the Pharisees
Trusting in man-made tradition over trusting in Jesus Fully for your salvation will have disastrous consequences. Most of the Scriptures that speak on tradition is negative. God's Word is the only infallible Authority; man is flawed.
Trusting in man will lead you to hearing the dreaded words of DEPART FROM ME. The other commenter mentioned the Pharisees who had much tradition and we very religious but the overwhelming majority of them did not find favor from Jesus.
This is the mindset we need to brake free from If they trust in Jesus for their salvation and He is their LORD, they are our brothers and sisters and we need to pray for them, and help them see the truth in love. They have been taught wrong but that doesn’t make them any less the body of Christ!
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh I’m so use to protestant know it alls slandering our Christian Catholic faith I could care less of what they think. They don’t even know what they think, there’s like 30 thousand different denominations, they’re confused themselves. I just don’t take slander, irl they would get knocked out.
The RCC slaughtered all the true Bible believers that’s history. Orthodoxy is a spin off from the RCC.
I am a baptised Roman Catholic from Sri Lanka. The Roman Catholic church is the biggest
Christian denomination in Sri Lanka...although the Anglican (Protestant), Church of South India, Evangelical, Baptist, Reformist denominations also have a sizable presence. My heritage is in fact both Roman Catholic & Anglican Church of England split evenly between the families of my parents. So I grew up going to both Catholic & Protestant churches & Sunday School...and do so to this day with my family.
Having personal experience with both camps, I have no qualms about accepting Catholics & Protestants as Christians...as they all accept Christ as their Lord & Savior (not sacraments) and the only path to salvation. However, the Catholics and similarly the Eastern Orthodox have a huge emphasis on sacraments & traditions and rightly so as they provide the discipline, guidance & framework to practice your faith & trust in Christ. We all cant just stand with only the Bible in our hands and say "I believe Jesus is my Lord & Savior"...and have a fulfilling Christian faith considering the challenges to our faith thrown up everyday. You need a strong sense of connection to the community, to traditions...that you can then pass on to the next generation. Of course for some people the Bible is enough but that is the small minority in my opinion. That is why all these countries with a strong protestant & even catholic influence are losing people from the faith. Even within the Protestant community, there are literally 30,000+ denominations showing a great diversity in interpretations & they all have created their unique style and practice of Christianity, which is in itself a tradition. However, this has led to much confusion.
The Orthodox church to its credit has one of the best retention rates of believers with a strong emphasis on disciple and tradition. This is much needed in my opinion. Even listening to Orthodox priests, they always emphasize that Jesus is the Lord & Savior. I've yet to hear one say "Sacraments/Traditions are our Lord & Savior".
Can you debate a catholic or orthodox apologist
Lol he would never his entire channel would be destroyed
@@dubbstepl273he just had an orthodox on. His channel is still here.
@@whoaboa1429 No, an actual apologist, not just a random orthobro.
Amen my brother! Any means exactly that ANY! Nothing at All! People need to grasp that and be saved!
the headline of the video should be :
Protestant vs Eastern Orthodox (Original Christian)
FINALLY! A caller who knows facts against these misguided teachings 👏🏻Great respectful conversation guys
Awesome message of believing God and trusting nothing else.❤
Thanks for uploading this full chat Ryan 🙏
No worries!
@NeedGodnet I wanted to ask a clarifying question. Christianity is a religion, but would it be more helpful to say it is not a **manmade** religion?
I'm a Protestant and Eastern Orthodox are 100% Christians! We worship the same God as them.
Yet the Eastern Orthodox Church follows a completely different Gospel of faith + works that can not save.
@@CAHiredGun Exactly! Both orthodox and Roman Catholicism are in trouble and they don't even know it 😢
@@CAHiredGun Faith without works is dead. OSAS do what you like and no repentance is needed type Christianity is a modern invention.
Do we though? Because you guys still follow that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father AND the Son. Orthodox have the unchanged definition from Nicean Constantinopoian creed, before the Roman pontiff unilaterally changed it many centuries later. The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, according to the Orthodox. You guys don’t even have the correct Godhead.
@CAHiredGun You confuse Sola Fide with the gospel Jesus preached.
You should really converse with OrthodoxKyle. He knows his orthodox stuff and I think you both can get a really good dialogue out of it.
He already invited Kyle.
@@CAHiredGunWhere?
@@RJDJ__ In a previous stream, yesterday or the day before I believe. I can't remember exactly which one, sorry about that.
@@CAHiredGun Oh sweet thanks for letting me know
I didn’t know “church” meant “called out ones” perfect.
it is wrong....The ecclesia or ekklesia (church in greek) was the assembly of the citizens in city-states of ancient Greece so actually it means gathering of people
@@TSIRIBIM82 Ecclessia is an alternative spelling of Ekklesia and Ekklesia is a Greek word defined as “a called-out assembly or congregation". So the assembly aka the church are the called out ones. It's the same thing. ❤
Yeah, I did not know this either.
The mystery, unraveling, unveiled, is pretty awesome!
Not only is the title wrong but this video is filled with misinformation
They were first called Christians in Antioch -Acts
Oh can't wait yo watch this tomorrow morning 😊
Glory to Holy Orthodoxy. Channels you should all watch.
Jasmyne Theodora
Father Spyridon
Father Tryphon
Neptic Fathers
Roots of Orthodoxy
Kyle
Jeem
David Erhan
Orthodox Ethos
No jay dyer?
@@Twin2241 Yeah Jay Dyer is goated man
@@Twin2241 I forgot to put him in.
I'd rather give all the glory to Jesus, imo
How about praise, honor and glory to Jesus Christ. Be more focused on the SAVIOR and not some institution that can't save you. That institution won't be standing with you when you have to give an account at the judgement ❤
Eastern Orthodox and Catholics are not Christian denominations. If you don't teach salvation by grace through faith, and not of works, you aren't Christian. I pray that these false gospels would be smashed by the true gospel.
Tell me How are you saved, if your daily works are against Gods word but you claim to be ,,christian,, because you have faith in Him?!
What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no works?
Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily
food. If one of you says to him, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed," but gives
him nothing for his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by
itself, if it is not accompanied by works, is dead.
But someone will say, "You have faith; I have works." Show me your faith
without works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
//You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and
shudder. // !!!
@@joannagrimeki7415 That passage is teaching that true, saving faith, is shown to others by the works you do. If you are trying to say that teaches faith plus works, then I'll share Ephesians 2:8-9. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Scripture does not contradict itself. Stop believing in this false, works based gospel, and believe the true gospel. Jesus paid it all. No good works, even if they are accompanied by faith, will get you to Heaven. They are a product of salvation. The true gospel is much more free and assuring, as opposed to the Catholic and Orthodox church's false works based gospel.
@@danofsteel9092 If orthodoxy preaches fake gospel, then why you accepted their Bible??? You got it from the ,,fake,, ones so you dont have to believe in the Bible neither!! Oh i forgot, your ,apostle, Luther cut some of the books out of Bible, so that the gospel fits better with his own opinion.... 😏 btw. Funny how non orthodox want to be christians, want to teach the orthodox about the meaning of the gospel 😂😂
@@joannagrimeki7415 The Jews never considered the Apocryphal books scripture, they were always considered good historical documents. Our New Testaments are the same, the Orthodox and Catholics just pervert scripture to suit their teachings. Martin Luther wasn't perfect, nor an apostle, but at least he understood salvation by grace through faith, not of works. He took those books out because the Jews never considered them scripture. I hope that you accept the true gospel. The one true gospel is so much better than any false works based gospel. Please accept that Jesus paid it all. I will pray for you and your church, that you will one day accept the true gospel. God bless you!
I go to prepare a place for you. That where I am there you may be also. He paid it all. Trust in him and his perfect life and sacrifice. He is the only way.
God is love.
We all fall short and sin.
Love is just and merciful.
Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged and are due to face His wrath as slaves of sin.
Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and His wrath, and a way for us to be regenerated.
If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin.
The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die.
We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience or intentions. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan).
How do you explain in exodo 25 :18 if you shall not have any carved image.... Even god ordered to do an image of a cherubim.... In catholic we know there is only one God. Father,Son,Holy Spirit is one trinity God... Virgin mary can intercede to beg for us... We only Adore one God. We dont ideolize other Gods for there is only one... People confuse that we ideolize virgin mary or saints, which is not true.. They are examples of the Devine but they are not God.... Another example. Moises made a serpant of bronze for the israelites to protect them from snake bites whoever looked at it..... But the moment they were doing sacrafices to that image and made that image God he beoke it..... You see. There can be images. The only problem. Is not to think they are God. Thats the problem.. for there is only one God thru Jesus... Thats Idolatry.. to make it God... Please correct yourself.. in Catholic yes we have many saints and Virgin Mary.. but we don't think they are God. They can intercede for us
SAVTION it can from Jesus Christ there is nothing another way
Christian vs Christian talking to familiar spirits
Its rather unfortunate that someone with so little understanding of orthodoxy was the one you talked to at length.
Im only a catecumen and understood more about the foundations of Orthodox belief than him and could answer every one of your questions.
I suppose its to be expected, cradle orthodox did not have to go through the pain of having every single previous protestant belief crushed by the weight of evidence as they thrashed around seeking some possible alternative understanding.
At the end of the day the mindest of most modern protestant is so far removed from the first century christian, that when they read the bible its like reading it through a frosted window.
It does not help the orthodox that the modern way of thinking has seeped into nearly everything in everyones dayly life.
SIIG THE WRATH OF GOD WAS PUT UPON CHRIST THAT IS WHY HE IS OBEDIENT TO THE FATHER. YOU ARE DENYING THE TRUE MEANING OF THE CROSS!
Eastern Orthodox are fellow Christians
It depends on whether they are born again or not.
@@gregorylatta8159 salvation is a life long process.
@@HoagieMacintosh69 That is not what Jesus taught.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
@@goodshorts Believe and follow His teachings.
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv Believing in Him is salvation, following Him is discipleship.
As if Eastern Orthodox aren't Christian
Its the heart that counts not the title
Based on their teachings,they aren't,they will be told away from Me,I never knew and emphasis on never knew you,Jesus didn't say i used to know you but you lost your salvation or whatever,He says i never knew you. They and Catholics end Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses and etc are all the lukewarm churches and Jesus said He will spew out the lukewarm.
Only way to be saved Biblically is by having a change of mind about your ways aka repent and believing or in other words trusting or depending on Jesus Christ and His finished work for your salvation,that your past present and future sins are all gone because of what Jesus did on the cross for you and your faith in it and nothing else,no water baptism,no church attendance,no confessing to priest or idk whether people may believe,that all isn't needed for salvation and praying to Mary is sin btw as well as trusting anything and anyone other than Jesus for salvation. Jesus saves you,Jesus keeps you saved, Jesus sanctifies you,He also will glorify you together with Himself,He gives you Haven and Earth for inheritance,He makes you king and priest and His saint and child and etc,Jesus does it all and our part basically is to just allow Him to by putting our trust in Jesus.
That's Biblical and we are to live solely by the word of God so i don't care who said what if it ain't the Word of God,i won't care to listen.
All these other "churches" will be judged by Jesus soon when Jesus returns for His bride and blood bought people and these people who taught they're saved because of what they did or are doing are left behind,then they will understand they believed the lie all the time and they're in danger. Repent therefore now and believe the gospel and you will be saved. God bless.
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh and it’s also about the theology behind the title without orthodox Christianity. What do you know today is Trinitarian theology wouldn’t exist.
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHighthe title is meant to divide people which is against Jesus teachings
@@jesus_is_lord_of_alll He didn't come to bring peace but a sword.
LOL!!! The title "Christian vs Eastern Orthodox" is insane!!
Mark 12:31
I like it. 😊
Seems accurate.
This is so sad, pray for this man 🙏🏾☦️
Lord have mercy on him
Pray for who? The viewer or the speaker?
@@vman9347You r speaking with the flesh
For you put tradition first
@@vman9347exactly my point we r talking about the scriptures yet people rather obey mans tradition instead of GODS word
@@aaronwalsh2046 Both, everyone needs prayer.
The Orthodox Church is evangelical, but not Protestant. It is orthodox, but not Jewish. It is catholic, but not Roman.
It isn't non-denominational - it is pre-denominational. It has believed, taught, preserved, defended and
died for the Faith of the Apostles since the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago.
The Orthodox Church is the original
church of Christ preserved as best as
possible.
Catholicism is a sect that
broke off and installed an infallible
human pope as a divine leader of their
"empire."
In Orthodoxy the only leader
of men is God. There is no intermediary.
The Church is merely a vessel to carry and keep the word of God alive
and teach it to those that want to hear,
and help along those in need.
The Papist (roman catholic) DO NOT want
you to know Church
HISTORY.
The protestant DO NOT
want you to know church
TRADITION.
But the Orthodox church
WANT you to know BOTH.
Orthodoxy is what Christ taught, the
apostles preached, and the fathers kept." - St.Athanasius the Great ☦️
Cool here's the Gospel
God is love.
We all fall short and sin.
Love is just and merciful.
Because God is loving He must judge sin, we all stand judged and are due to face His wrath as slaves of sin.
Because God is merciful He provided a way out from under the weight of the law and His wrath, and a way for us to be regenerated.
If we trust Jesus shed His sinless blood, died and rose from the grave He forgives us of our sins and gives us a new heart that wants to look God as our Father genuinely and delight in Him, freeing us from being slaves to sin.
The rest is our mind catching up with that reality and taking hold of His teaching and truth until He returns, or we die.
We aren't saved or kept saved by obedience or intentions. We can only be lost through unbelief (trusting in our own righteousness, to be or remain saved) or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (attributing clear works of God, healing/deliverance, to demons and Satan).
Protestant vs Christian *
Naw, Christian vs pagan
@@theonewhoknocks988 Eastern Orthodox are in no way pagan. You are slandering the apostles and the Church that Jesus Christ established. Are you saying He lied when he said the gates of Hell would not overcome the Church?
@@theonewhoknocks988 as a former pagan, you have no idea what youre talking about. sit down
@@theonewhoknocks988 not all protestants are pagan. I've watched some of this guys videos he definitely isn't pagan just a protestant.
@@vman9347 correct, protestantism is still Christianity. It's just not the fulness of the truth.
Wait till Jay Dyer, Sam Shamoun, Kyle, Ubi Petrus, Orthodox Shahada, Fr Deacon etc finds this guy
Kyle heard about him for sure.
kyle made a video
@@callmecharlie0498 hahaha yeah lol
Jay dyer would have a field day with him😭
@@The_OracleUnlocked Nah Jay would just kick him from the chat after bullying him 😭
I was interested in your videos until you started hyperfocusing on picking apart people who don't align with you 100%. Your own stance is belief is all you need. So why, then, would belief in Jesus and also obeying scriptures and the words of Jesus exclude somebody from salvation, as you have basically told them they are not a follower of Jesus? This is a debate centuries old, rooted in calvinism versus arminianism. There are verses that support both beliefs, and I guarantee nobody has all the perfect answers. If you think you do, you are an extremist. But ironically, the ones who say all you need is belief in Jesus are the first ones to cast stones and judge those who don't believe the exact same thing as them when it comes to salvation. But it's actually useless arguing because God is the giver of salvation and He is the Judge, not you. So spend your time more wisely and build unity among the brothers, not division.
The Orthodox Church is the only Church.
Waitttttt so what about the head of the papacy?
@@jdruiz_95 What about it?
Hilariously untrue
@@SamC_182 Not an argument
@@hxplxss1835 absolutely debatable & actually easily refutable using only the scriptures
This is a Protestant vs a Christian, not a Christian vs an Orthodox.
It’s a Christian vs a Pagan (Orthodox, Catholics, Mormons)
This is the mindset we need to brake free from If they trust in Jesus for their salvation and He is their LORD the. they are our brothers and sisters and we need to pray for them, and help them see the truth in love they have been taught wrong but that doesn’t make them any less the body of Christ!
Protestant vs Orthodox
@@theduke6174
Protestants aren't Christians. The truth didn't magically come to light after 15 centuries of darkness where the holy spirit somehow lead the entirety of Christiandom in error.
Believing yourself to be the first Christians to somehow read and understand scripture is peak arrogance.
@@blissseeker4719
Because sin isn't a concept and Christ just somehow didn't mean it when he told people to go and sin no more.
This was an amazing conversation, I have learned a lot from this. Even as a believer of Christ this has helped me in my journey, of improvement. Thank you and may Jesus bless all. ❤
The church is the authority that put the bible Canon together in one work. So it's interesting to think on can a infallible source be decided on a fallible one?
How did they put the cannon together? Especially how does that demand infallibility to do so?
The Word of God wouldn't have been God's Word if not canonized? How about the Word of God preached by Jesus, n the apostles written down and sent to believers? Shd lack of canonizing it reduce it from being God's Word?
@NATAR160 Good questions I thought more on my original question, and the answer is yes, fallible sources can point to an infallible one by the grace of God. It's how we, as fallen, fallible people, can point to truth or at least aspects of it with a God-given conscious, reason and experience. So the church guide by the holy spirit with the previously listed gifts from God could put the bible cannon together.
@@MrTripleAgamer So, in a nutshell u don't need infallibility to canonize scripture, which is my point.
@@NATAR160 I see that now, agreed
That part cracks me up, too 🤣
needgod needs god lol
Mark 12:31
The Toll House enthusiast doesn't think he needs God.
Debate jay dyer
WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GOOD!!!
This morning I asked Father God to please give me clarification on a few things. I get to work, read my daily verse which was James 2. Then this video pops up when I click on RUclips!!! Thank You Almighty God!!! I received a lot of clarification from this video, thanks for sharing this!!! May God The Father and our Lord Jesus Christ bless you with grace and peace! In Jesus’ Name, Amen✝️❤️🔥🕊️🙌
Wow, so glad to hear that! Glory to God
Icons are not being venerated as being actually God or a Saint. The veneration is to the person on the icon. Very different from what the pagans did.
The person is not in the icon or have anything to do with the icon. Icons are just art, nothing more. They are not holy or hold any kind of power or blessing. So why even kiss them, pray in front of them or bow down to them?
@matheuscaneta1194 Actually, it's not.
@@gz67 They are image bearers of Christ, by giving respect to them we are giving respect to the body of Christ. So for you to say such things are a disrespect to Christ my friend. So for you to say that saints are not holy, is just nonsense. They are of course holy because of Christ btw.
noah's ark had 2 cherubim
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv yes, Solomon’s temple also was filled with iconography including cherubim.
You are not a genuine a Christian if you simply believe Jesus was an actual man that roamed the earth. You are a Christian if you trust in Christ along with what He accomplished for the purposes of being more like Him how He intended you to follow Him. Lots of religions claim Jesus was a real man (not just Islam, but Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc) and these do not honour Christ as His followers were instructed to do
Amen brother
Yes well the Greek word for believe that was translated does mean more. It means to entrust or have faith in. When you believe in Him not just believe He existed, you entrust your soul to Him. Surrendering to Him alone for salvation and not yourself is what saves you. If you still hold on to your works which He sees as filthy rags, He will say, “depart from Me” because you believed in works not Him. You never knew Him.
@@lilfridge69 yep, which is problematic for those who claim to be Christians, yet adhere to a Easter Orthodox or Roman Catholic tradition. It’s through “sola fide” not “faith and works” and most-definitely not pelagianism
Yes, Jesus is our King, our light and you don't need a tittle. Just a servant of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth ❤
Not 1 mention of keeping Jesus's commandments. I would argue only Christians keep Jesus's commandments.
Jesus said if you love me keep MY commandments John 14:15.
That's how we KNOW him, is by keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS 1 John 2:3.
The love of God is that we keep Jesus's commandments 1 John 5:3.
Jesus commanded us to keep HIS commandments, to abide in his Love John 15:10.
Christians keep the law of Christ and have faith in Jesus, Revelation 14:12.
Those who do Jesus's commandments will have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14.
Speak to Jay Dyer
Debate Jay dyer
No, Jay Dyer is unable to maintain a conversation without any ad homs, a better EO apologist would be seraphim hamilton or craig truglia
@@regost5634
Name calling isn't an ad hom, failing to address the point and attacking the opponent is an ad hom.
@@eddardgreybeard That's kinda what he does many times. Many times he interrupts whoever he's debating against and just insults the other person and refuses to discuss the argument. There are plenty of other great EO apologists who are able to debate without swearing, insulting, ad homs, interrupting, etc...
@@regost5634
The insult is often a perfectly valid rebuttal, there is no plain insult without a perhaps harsh counterpoint.
I'm quite familiar with Jay dyer, the criticism against him is frequently tone policing, he doesn't ad hom.
He's very much on par with Andrew Wilson, though Andrew openly drinks, smokes, and swears during his debates
I looked so hard for the “ debate Jay bro! “ comment
They are synonyms. If you’re a Christian your EO. There is one church. Stop trying to deceive people. Christs body is not divided
claiming you have to be EO to be part of Christ's Church is deceiving and unbiblical. You must be born again. The Church hinges on the Gospel not tradition.
@@---bl2uj first of all, where does your Bible come from, that you apparently are the infallible person to correctly interpret it?
@@The_OracleUnlocked Scripture is God breathed. Who's going to interpret your interpreter? and so on and so forth. where does this lie come from that the Gospel is hard to understand? "“and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.”
Matthew 18:3
A child can understand it. The Bible is crystal clear on salvation.
@@---bl2uj okay scripture worshipper. Scripture points us to the person of Christ, Christ left us a church, not a book. I recommend not being so low tier in your thinking and genuinely looking for the truth. There’s tons of resources. I was once like you not very long ago. An avid scripture alone Protestant who debated against and was convinced the orthodox position was “man tradition” and the whole 9. Just look into it bro bro
@@The_OracleUnlocked Scripture is the only infallible authority. Low tier thinking? lol how nice. Just because someone doesn't end up where you do doesn't mean they haven't sought truth.
What is this title man?
exactly what it says it is.
I feel like you're either a Christian or you're not. There is no denomination required
Yes to be a Christian means to be baptized in Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, The Orthodox Church.
@paulcasino9511 No, that is a worldy indoctrinated sentiment on being Christian. Giving authority to a church and priest/man goes against everything written in the Word. There is only one way to heaven. That is through Christ...
Research Church history.
it's amazing that what you feel doesn't equate to truth
@cuevak3160 who are you to tell me what I feel about my faith is not the truth? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. My discernment tells me otherwise. You don't have to believe what I believe. But I never needed a man or a priest to help me come to the conclusion. The word brought me here. The word is the truth.
5:20 in the old bible it says
2 Thessalonians 2:15
[15] so, then, brethren, stand ye fast, and hold the deliverances that ye were taught, whether through word, whether through our letter
That happen if you change things the bible🤨
Have this conversation with Sam Shamoun..
Sam would tear him to pieces 😂😂😂
@@log13_88 shreds lol and honestly, he needs a lesson in humility
@@dfwherbie8814 all protestants do.
Nah Jay dyer
@@blissseeker4719 he explicitly refers to orthodox and Catholic branches as the correct teachings of the faith. He leans towards Catholicism now. So no, he wouldn’t agree.
“And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful.”
Titus 3:14 NKJV
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
James 2:24 NKJV
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:26 NKJV
“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.”
I John 2:3 NKJV
Do you actually believe in these scriptures?
Protestants do not believe that we should abandon works. Works are the fruit of what the Spirit is doing. If I saw a fellow Protestant not doing work, this would be a sign of unconfessed sin or unbelief. It should be confronted.
With that being said works can become an idol themselves, which is what the apologist was referring to in this discussion.
@@jordanbrown4779 can we keep his commandments?
There is absolutely nothing more beneficial than an in depth conversation like this, awesome
This should be titled Protestant vs Christian
Naw, Christian vs pagan
@@theonewhoknocks988 Protestant Non-Demoninational vs Eastern Orthodox
Don't call fellow Christians pagan, by the same measure you judge others, it wil also be used against you.
@@TheMasterPlayer-uo6msthe title is perfectly fine
@@Veltresworld It discrimates against a group of people, this is known as elitism and it is a form of pridefulness. Which is a sin.
Blessed Mother, pray for us. May your intercession draw all souls closer to the heart of your Son, Jesus.
so by your defnition of salvation it is a gift that i don't need to work for, so i could be the most horrrible person on earth but i belive in god, then i will go to heaven either way?? I think you should open your mind and go to Orthodox church my brother ☦❤
Kyle already explained and made a video on this topic
And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. -romans 11:6
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.Ephesians 2:8-9
When I was young, people in the church told me not to read the Bible because they believed I would misinterpret God's word. Now that I understand my Father in heaven has left me a message through the Bible, I realize that during my younger years, they kept me away from reading His words meant for me.
Was it a Progressive Christianity church ??
Cos what type of church would say soo..
😢😢
@@BeingBornAgain96 Catholics and Orthodox i guess (not sure for orthodox)
It's a common religious tactic. That is why the church didn't want the Bible to be translated to English.
In Orthoodoxy we are called to study the bible, the Saints, and Church fathers daily, we even have calenders showing with Chapters to read daily.
And read OT and NT over and over again.
Glad you realized the truth
Somehow that after putting faith in Jesus and continuing in sin still gets you to heaven makes me wonder? Coz I believed genuine repentance bear fruit, sanctification, edification, you hate what is evil and you will love righteousness. Sometimes, mentioning that line to new believers make them think it’s ok to sin as long as you put faith in Jesus. Please clarify on that more? I believe, like me even now and then I sinned unintentionally and intentionally, the Holy Spirit rebukes me and helps me renew my minds and go back to God, repent daily. Of course, I believe that salvation comes through faith alone in Jesus alone, and that always reminds us to love righteousness and whenever we fall short, we go back to Him. It is the attitude, the character that we no longer love the sin but hate it whenever we do.
Orthodoxy is amazing
Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist. Yet Christ said that “
Then Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, unless ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.” John 6:53
The thief on the cross next to the Lord God Jesus didn't have the opportunity to take the Eucharistic, and yet he was informed that he would be with Him in heaven.
@@christafarion9 the thief on the cross is an example of God’s inexhaustible love for mankind. That even though the thief self-admits to be receiving punishment worthy of his deeds, God forgives him when the thief with humility asks Jesus to simply “remember him”. Are you hanging on a cross right now, having led a life that was very far from what God has taught? Or do you imagine you can live however you want, and then hope that at the last moment of your life, you will “repent”?? God would reject such hypocrisy. No. We have the Bible which tells us all the things we must do. And the apostles were sent out to preach, and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And the apostles received the Holy Spirit, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”(John 14:26)
The question I pose back to you- did the Holy Spirit cease teaching the subsequent bishops, who are apostles of Christ’s church and guide them throughout the ages to the present day? Of course not. But you Protestants, have unfortunately become fathers of the church unto yourselves- rejecting tradition and interpreting each unto yourself whatever you wish. It’s unfortunate. I don’t say this in judgement.
@@christafarion9
The thief on the cross died before Christ Rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
Please, for the love of God and all that is holy, understand the concept of a timeline and the necessity of the sequence of events, the thief on the cross is peak room temp IQ theology.
@eddardgreybeard there's no need for ad homenim insults.
“Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)
God Bless!
@@christafarion9
There was no ad hominem there. I said nothing about you, and I addressed your argument directly: the thief on the cross died under the old covenant.
Saying that Orthodox Christians are not Christian is insane. They are far more in line with the teachings and practices of Christ and His apostles than your Pastor Bobby's Community Bible Church Tennessee
I love this mans gentleness
Satan was also an angel of light
@@hippiosWhy not just prove how he's not making sense, so everyone can learn. Do me a favour and give me a reply that shows u did ur own home work without peddling what u ve been told.
Orthodox is truth ☦️♥️ and we love catholic and protestant brother.
Jesus is the truth, the way and the life
@madewhole-ev4uy Yes, Jesus is our King, our light and you don't need a tittle. Just a servant of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth ❤
@@JesusisliterallyHim the church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, *which is the church of the living God, 👉🏻the pillar and ground of the truth* 👈🏻
Jesus is Truth. Not His church.
@@princesscookiee
1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is *THE CHURCH of the living God, the pillar 👉🏻AND ground of the truth* 👈🏻
I’m not following you on your idea that a gift can’t have conditions. You can buy your kids a dog as a gift with the conditions that they have to feed it and take it for walks. You can buy them a car with the conditions that they have to take care of it and pay for the upkeep. You can require them to pay for the insurance and follow the laws of the road. If I make them change the oil and pay for the upkeep of it, it doesn’t change the fact that I bought them a really nice gift and expect them to use it appropriately. If I catch them drinking and driving or street racing in it, I’m more than justified to discipline them or take it away from them. None of those things negates the fact that I gave them a gift.
a gift is something willingly given without payment. God's eternal salvation is not a toy car... you sound insane.
@@BoyMonty everything I just described was willingly given without payment. At no point did I mention a toy car. 🤦🏻♂️. But please, go on about how I sound insane… and grow up while you’re at it.
Salvation is indeed a free gift…that comes with conditions. You do not earn spiritual rebirth or the Holy Spirit, but you’re expected to follow Him down the path to salvation.
Romans 8:12-13
So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh
- for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
@@scottsponaas you used the analogy of giving ur kid a gift... do you use ur brain?
@@BoyMonty
Maybe you should use yours first.
God offered you salvation, you're expected to keep the commandments and sin no more
@@blissseeker4719 what does anything you just said have to do with my point that gifts can have conditions? At no point did I claim that good works earn salvation.
My entire point is that just because we are saved by grace, that doesn’t mean we’re free to sin all we want. There are conditions to our salvation and one of those conditions is sanctification. True faith will produce fruit. The branches that don’t bear fruit get cut off. Perhaps I should quote Jesus.
John 15:1-6
1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
and did you know this?: search ”what did Martin Luther say about Tradition?”
So are you listening to Martin Luther or to Jesus Christ, our Lord, and His Apostles?
are you listening to the Sola Scriptura concept or to the eternal Truth that was even before this, probably wolf, dressed as a sheep, called Luther?
Glory to God for The Right Faith
”I will build my Church”, ❤❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏✝✝✝✝, said our God...not churches
This guy knows more than the church fathers in the 7 ecumenical counsels
He was the first to read and understand scripture, don't you know? I bet he even discovered the book of Romans and got it canonized.
@@eddardgreybeard oh yeah bud, we got our own Ignatius over here
@@eddardgreybeard Mark 12:31
Mark 12:31
Ortho bros are madd 😂
The “church” is more than a bunch of people getting together saying “we believe in Jesus.”
Really? Oh please, do tell. What is the "church?"
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGodyou really think anyone who says we believe in Jesus is really the true church?
@@ryanrodrigues6175believing IN Jesus biblically is not a simple belief in His existence. Even the demons believe and tremble. Those who turn to Christ and put their faith in His finished work on the cross for their salvation are the Church.
and did you know this?: search ”what did Martin Luther say about Tradition?”
So are you listening to Martin Luther or to Jesus Christ, our Lord, and His Apostles?
are you listening to the Sola Scriptura concept or to the eternal Truth that was even before this, probably wolf, dressed as a sheep, called Luther?
Eastern Orthodox is true Christianity
The Scriptures are clear. Only faith in Christ and his sacrifice can justify you b4 God. James 2 is speaking about justification before MEN, but not b4 God for we have all fallen short.
You: "Just go to the Bible, a very simple book easy for anyone to understand."
Eunuch: "How can I understand unless someone tells me?"
I don't understand. Paul was catholic btw.....
This is like when Muslims say "Jesus was a Muslim!"
The state-sponsored church of the later Roman Empire which the Catholic Church descends from did not develop until centuries after Christ and the apostles.
Masterclass in Christianity. Our God is amazing. Wonderful chat! ✝️💪
I'm a protestant but the Eastern Orthodox has me convinced as them being the answer to all my issues with the modern church. I'm hoping to get to one but they are far and few between where i live
No
Did you know Orthodox believed no one are saved outside the church ......they thought they are gods only Jesus can saved us not the church
@@RaptureIsNEAR7634no u completely mis represented them
@@RaptureIsNEAR7634that is fundamentally not what we believe
@@deathbydank3206Orthodoxy does teach anyone outside of the church will not be saved and if you don't do the sacraments you won't.. if you actually read the Bible its clear orthodoxy was not Jesus intention at all but better that than not believing at all.
Orthodoxy is Christianity. God bless you all.
I don't believe you can sin boldly and expect you're going to get saved regardless, because you "believe". I consider that sin against the Holy Spirit and against the God's grace.
Well if you can find scripture to back that up go ahead and try. Don’t use the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit scripture though because Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who weren’t saved to begin with therefore that’s totally different. Scripture tells me when God starts a work He is good and faithful to finish it. Also it tells me our sins are cast from us as far as the East is from the west. Peter boldly denied Christ after telling Him he wouldn’t. Thomas boldly said he wouldn’t believe unless he could touch the nail pierced hands. There are plenty of instances of people in the Bible boldly sinning and defying God and still shown grace.
@lilfridge69 because the repented.
Where it says you can do any sin and go to heaven?
Are you saying I can go and grape,kill etc and go to heaven?
Then what is this 1 corinthians 6:11
And Matthew 5:48
Amen! I completely agree. When he started talking about that 30 mins into the video, I was like...uhh absolutely not.
When Jesus died on the cross he did not say it's finished...now go off and sin and live like the devil. Osas-hyper grace is a new invention in Protestantism that promotes sin. Jesus says not everyone who says Lord..Lord will enter into the kingdom.
@@lilfridge69 English is not my first language but I will try to explain. By sinning boldly I meant sinning recklessly with the belief your sin is going to be forgiven regardless. Also I don't believe salvation is given for ever. To be truly saved you have to remain in the faith constantly. Also works are not something that can save us yet faith without works is fruitless, so it's not true faith. Only true faith can save us. Paste this into biblestudy or read in your bible. Cheers brother. Colossians 1:23; titus 1:15-16; mt 7:18; gal 5:13-25; jud 1:4; romans 6:1-2; romans 6:15-16; 1 john 1:3-6; john 8:34-35
I was with you until about 30:00. Jesus said "repent and believe." We cannot ignore that repentance is a requirement. If you die in the midst of sin, like a heart attack while you commit adultery for the 2nd/3rd/4th time, then do not assume you will be going to heaven. You may have "repented" and been saved in the past, but was it true/honest? This is why the Word states "faith without works is DEAD." Your actions will reveal to others whether there was a true change of heart. And God knows your heart and mind regardless of what you say/do. There is no fooling Him even if we deceive ourselves.
Repentance is a change of mindset not necessarily stopping sinning all together. Repentance should lead you away from sin but it doesn’t stop us from stumbling
@@danielhdz0447 So many people don't understand this point, well done.
Repentance is a one time action, my good sir. In the context of salvation and for the purposes of heaven, one repentance, one confession, one salvation.
Forgiveness is once for all, not progressive according to Hebrews 10:10-14. One offering for ALL time. All time = past present & FUTURE 😊.
Now repentance in the Christian is not required but *expected*. I say that because a Christian had a transformation by definition that changes what they want at the core. We struggle with the flesh's desires, but God gave us love incorruptible Ephesians 6:24. We love God.
Salvation is not something we maintain or sustain. God alone saves and maintains our security. We will sin and be miserable...OR we will obey God and be fulfilled.
Belief is repentance
Major problems with Sola Scriptura. First, one being you need a complete canon to practice it and the full canon wasn't decided until the council of Carthage in 397. Yes, we had the books of the Bible, but what was officially declared the scriptures took some time. Secondly, in II Thessalonians 2:15, one of the Traditions would have been how to conduct worship. There is nothing in the NT other than rebuke from Paul to the Corinthians on how not to conduct a service. So the modern mainstream Evangelical format has likely veered away from that Tradition. And this is no small matter. The issue for the Thessalonians to practice Sola Scriptura are evident; they would have 2 small letters and possibly some old testament books and maybe a few of Paul's letters and that is an at best guess. The bottom line is they didn't have the proto-KJV, so the teachings they received verbally from Paul would have been absolutely vital and those words he spoke were God breathed too and they continue to live through the life and practices of the church today.
Imagine my surprise, today, when I found out kissing the picture of my cat is sinful.
I’m, as the kids say, am shook.
(I’m kidding btw)
This is great information and a great discussion.
Well you actually highlight a big problem with his argument. He now had claimed all veneration of images is bad. This would logically mean by extension to venérate a living person is equally as sinful. Before anyone tries to make such a ridiculous claim such veneration is actually sinful
In genesis Joseph bows down to Phaorah to show respect. We see the nation of Israel prostrate in front of the Bones of Elijah (Elisha?) and several other examples. Thankfully he does not claim all images are had because then one could just point to the Bible as an “image” which would take a while to lay down the groundwork of the argument. Have a great day!
I cant speak for him, but in context, he was saying that the kissing in a worship like way is sinful. Kissing isnt bad,but kissing a thing after bowing down to it,praying to it, and what not, is sinful I think. What do you think?@@hopelessviolin4690
@@hopelessviolin4690 Logic and argument extensions are a slippery slope for any denomination..................
@@markb3786 Completely incorrect.
No way blud is calling 1700 years old theology wrong.
Good works are a RESULT of salvation, not the MEANS of salvation.
Spot on!
I was thaught like you but I've come to understand that works are more important to our salvation.
Looking at the churchfathers, the emphasis on works as always been huge.
Im still practicing the best way to explain it.
Salvation of the elect is past present and future. We have been saved, and we will be saved.
There is something different.
The condition is to have the living faith that was given by grace. A free gift independant of our own free will.
But our perseverance in the faith is a free choice.
The Bible talks about the "fallen away from faith", the "shipwreck of faith" and the "dead faith".
There is no merit through works, as it not about gaining. Its about not to lose what was given.
Like Judas and Ravi zacharias who lost the love of their Master.
You did an amazing job here
St. John Chrysostom did not see The Rock as Peter. He taught that The Rock referred to in Matthew 16:18 is the confession of faith made by the Apostle Peter, specifically his declaration that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. Chrysostom emphasized that it was Peter's faith and confession, NOT Peter himself, that constituted the foundation upon which Christ would build His Church. This interpretation aligns with the Orthodox emphasis on the faith of the Church as a whole, rather than attributing a unique, personal authority to Peter.
Ryan: Baptist Christian
Viewer: Eastern Orthodox
Baptist vs Eastern Orthodox
@NeedGodnet
Oftentimes Protestants reject the idea of a faith-and-works based salvation primarily on the belief that it as if though we "open the door" to God ; however, both Catholics and Orthodox agree that it is all by the grace of God. We, as Catholics and Orthodox, do not believe that we can, in any way, merit the work that Jesus completed on the cross. But, we do believe that we must co-operate in God's grace by following and abiding in His commandments, and by participating in His sacraments. In Revelation 12, we are given the image of a woman who represents dually the Church and the Virgin Mary - and, in order to be her offspring, in this particular argument that of the Church, we must follow and obey God (Rev. 12:17; cf. Jam 2:24).
Quite frankly the concept of sola fide doesn't make logical sense within the Protestant framework (with the exception of the Presbyterian perspective, but more on that later). As Zoomer explains in his video attempting to justify sola fide, the works are really an outward showing of the true faith embodied by the believer. Essentially, true faith produces works and an untrue faith does not; however, this is a contradictory statement, then, concerning sola fide. This shows that works are very much necessary for salvation - Zoomer only appears to change the perspective and explicitly labels work underneath the umbrella term of faith. Put simply, the belief that true faith produces works I can agree on, but, nonetheless, the works are still necessary to show one's faith!
Pertaining to the Presbyterian claim that Jesus fully fulfilled the covenant of works for us, this is merely a false interpretation of Jesus' fulfillment of the law and prophets. This simply means that Jesus fulfilled all righteousness by following the Mosaic law down to all of its requirements (including, even, in His death), not that He fulfilled the covenant of works and thus freed us from it.
In short, Protestantism still believes, contradictory to its belief in sola fide, that works are required to justify faith. Merely, the perspective is just different - Protestants will argue works under the name of faith, whereas Catholics and Orthodox will simply say "faith and works".
Christian vs Eastern Orthodox is the biggest blasphemy in 2024!
This guy is good but the only problem is that he seriously lacks theological and historical knowledge hence why he confirms to the fluid Protestantism.
One of one things Protestants can't get their heads around.
Is child baptism valid? If no then why does Luther which Protestantism is heavily based agrees so?
Bible believing Christians do not care about Luther 🙄
@@danib712 Then why believe in the trinity if thats a Catholic (not Roman Catholic, this is the predecessor of RC and Orthodox) Doctrine?
Touché
There won’t be any; Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Evangelicals, Orthodox, Anglicans, Charismatics, etc, etc in heaven.
Heaven is for those that love and obey Christ.
We are called to be Christians, not some man made subcategory of it.
Follow the Lord not fallen man ❤️🔥
Debate Jay Dyer if you are truthful instead of this vulnerable unprepared Orthodox Christian
Jay dyer doesn't debate people he just constantly interrupts then kicks you if you try and say more than 20 words.
@@TheGogogwo cause you can't make arguments.
He don't debate he show the truth from scripture .....outside scripture we dont care much because Paul said if we or angels preached another gospel other than what they have taught they are cursed
@@Biggun3567 Just watch his debate against erick ybarra bro
Jay dyer is unable to maintain a normal convo without any ad homs, he insults, curses, mocks, and just cannot show a single fruit of the Spirit, a better EO apologist would be Seraphim hamilton or Craig Truglia
Individual church fathers don’t get to make exclusive, dogmatic, infallible interpretations of scriptures. To say so is a misrepresentation of the Orthodox phrenoma. Infallible Dogma is determined within councils by the corporate body of bishops.
He claims bowing down and kissing are acts of worship, but for some reason, God doesn't slaughter the Israelites for bowing down before David or the Ark of the Covenant. It seems more likely that he doesn't understand true worship (result of sola Scriptura)
The title of the video is Plainly Wrong
I read the description, i know you didn’t mean it to look that way, but please change the title 😅 in any case. Even tho i was baptized as a baby in an orthodox church i am not really into the whole denomination thing anymore. Bible is the ultimate authority and although it is GREAT that we have established churches, for example the Catholic church leader is an example of why he cannot be infallible and why we only and i mean only can trust in JESUS to be the one and only way to salvation. Not church! That goes for any church who claims to be the one true church. The church isn’t a building. The church are we and the Christ. He is our church and we participate in it with him. Where 2 or more of us gather, that is where the church is. Still, i repeat, i am not against the buildings that honor God at all, just we have to get one thing straight. There is no work that somehow gives you points in God’s book or something. Only faith in Christ as your savior does. And it is literally the only thing you need for salvation. Then you are transformed and reborn and your works should be the reflection of your faith in Christ. Remember, we can’t use Christ as an excuse to sin. We must not be hypocrites. The point is that if you are saved, you will know it and your life and works will reflect that. Are Orthodox Christians real christians? As long as they know that the sacraments are not what saves them, but Jesus alone, sure they are. Same goes for any denomination. Have a blessed day ✝️
Title should read Protestant vs Christian.
"The church is the people of God" his body(Eph 1:23) not an institution. Amen. Faith in Christ nothing else. I'm beginning to realize how many religious practices in the name of Jesus actually take your faith away from him.