First I have to thank Ian for not only finding a club that fits me, but for somehow getting me to incorporate a swing change in the middle of a fitting session. I was astonished when I saw the ball flight change. I've had instructors spend an entire lesson with me on that, and not be able to convey to me the proper method of squaring the face and changing the path. I'm not one that is able to make an instant change, but the fact we were able to accomplish it in that session amazes me. It was truly the best investment I've made in anything golf related EVER.. Also thanks to everyone for the comments, I was a bit hesitant to show my by far less than perfect golf swing to the world, but hopefully there are other high caps or slower swing speed players that may benefit from it, and also anyone struggling with a swing flaw....just know with a competent fitter/coach, drastic changes are possible. I will continue to work on this swing constantly going forward. Ian and Matt just do incredible work!!
Rob...Wonderful story seeing you make the trek north - a true hardcore gear enthusiast :) You were in very good hands with Ian and Matt with great results. I look forward to seeing how you round out the rest of your bag. Congrats on your new sticks !
I`m so pleased that you allowed TXG to share your fitting with us, it was a truly inspirational Vid (possibly the best I have ever seen on RUclips). I hope that the new equipment and swing change add to your enjoyment of this wonderful game. I`m looking forward to a future Course Vlog of a matchplay game between You and Sam the Man! Take care and keep on Rocking!
Fit without buying something pretty much kills us with “shiny penny” syndrome. Next your going to tell me I don’t need two golf carts. Thanks Rob for letting TXG to film this for us 👍😀
Props to the guys at TXG. Some subtle changes made quite a noticeable difference. Most of us higher handicappers would be apprehensive to showcase our swing. My hats off to the gentleman in the video being brave enough to share his fitting experience which in turn will help a lot of people show what a proper fitting should look like.
Great video. Ian you are a a magician. It's amazing to see someone getting fitted and to have the fitter care about the swing and not just selling clubs. This is by far the best RUclips channel for golf education. Thanks for the great content.
Excellent TXG. I have messed up a fitting due to feeling less of a player as the fitter. That sarcastic look your given when making a bad swing due to nerves or just not a good ball striker. Watching Ian give a lesson on ball strike to better the fitting experience, priceless. you guys truly are looking out for the golfer, not just trying to sell clubs. love it
Great video. I don’t want to give any spoilers but when I started a few years ago I used a set of used MP5s with heavy shafts. Then I listened to the range guys and tried all the new game improvement irons and shot all over the place. On vacation in Chicago I wandered into a fitter and he said I had the same problem as in the video and set me up with P770s. In 6 months I went from a 15 handicap to a 2. Now to work on my driver, ugggh!
Some of the best money I've spent of late was a 'fitting' that didn't result in a purchase.. Gav @ Custom Lab Golf, Hitchin UK, stressed that although my current setup wasn't ideal, it wasn't a million miles off. "Fix this with your coach then come back.".. Another great video gents.
This video should put the entire fitting industry on alert. I have heard multiple times on other RUclips channels with fittings, and in person at multiple retailers....”our job is to fit around what you bring, not change your swing.” And some of those swings really needed a tweak that no club could change. It’s really sad. I realize companies have to move product to stay in business, but there is a better way. Keep changing the golf world boys!! Love it!
I have a fitting scheduled with Ian in July and I am truly excited. Seeing how Ian managed to help Sam Moses and now Rob, both of them are or were very similar to myself. As Mark Crossfield always points out, it is so important to get PROPERLY fit. Great video guys, keep them coming!
Ian and Matt...so cool to see the growth of the TXG channel. Content is second to none and you've been able to forged (pun intended) an interactive relationship with viewers worldwide. Rob comes across a very genuine guy who has an obvious passion for golf (and equipment of course). It certainly speaks volumes how far people will travel to seek your guidance in pursuit of self-improvement. Definitely one of the most impactful videos you guys have produced to date....A++ gents
Gary Thompson appreciate the kind words Gsry. Matt and Ian put me at ease the minute I walked through the door. Both very genuine people. I don't want to speak for him. But after the fitting it appeared Ian was very happy for me and the change we made.
That was an awesome session. Kudos to Rob for laying it out there and being able to make that swing change in one session. It has just proved to me again, Ian is a wizard! Well done fellas!
Amazing to see Rob be able to make such dramatic path & face angle changes and then be able to hit functional golf shots. The more I hear about turf interaction, the more I understand why I sort of figured that out myself without being able to exactly describe what it was - and why I have always been drawn to more cavity back type blades and not mid sized game improvement stuff - the club just goes through the ball & turf more consistently and that means better shots more of the time. Great stuff Rob!
Love the message!! This is why I'm flying in next year for my fitting with you Ian. It's all about the golfer leaving with a better game...however that happens!
Great to see (GolfSpy) Rob on the channel. With all of the internet discussion over fitting the last couple weeks this video could not have come at a better time. In this case it was both clubs and instruction to help your client. To get someone to go from 8 degrees out to in to 2 degrees in to out is a huge improvement.
Seeing a fitter make a small tweak to Rob's swing was very refreshing. I have literally had the opposite experience during a fitting at a different company. I am a high handicapper who was having trouble with my long clubs and scheduled a fitting. I was able to schedule a lesson at a range near me with an instructor I have seen before in the interim. After that lesson, my swing changed a decent amount and I became a less consistent ball striker because of it. I considered canceling the fitting having a sneaking suspicion that it would not go well. I kept the appointment but my suspicion was correct. I wanted to do a fitting, not only to see what club specs are good for me but also to learn more about my swing. When I got there I started hitting shots with a driver and a 3 wood and was hitting pretty consistently low heel shots. After about 15 minutes the fitter gave the option of canceling the fitting at no charge or continuing but pointing out (fairly) that spending upwards of $500 for a new driver probably was not worth it. At this point, I felt super embarrassed and gained pretty much nothing from the fitting. I was not necessarily looking to buy equipment on the spot and was more wanting to get a better understanding of my swing and what can help. It was clear to me at this point that the fitter was not interested in helping my game and instead was only concerned with making their commission, so I chose to end the fitting and leave. I respect that the fitter chose to not charge me for the fitting but I did not respect his complete disinterest in helping me learn more about my swing.
For the skeptics out there, this is really what a fitting with Ian is like. Its totally clear that he's trying to find the combination of equipment that works best for you. There is no pressure and he has a ton of patience. As an 11 handicapper, I have lots of less than brilliant strikes. There aren't enough good things to say about TXG. Having gone through the bag with him, I wouldn't go anywhere else for clubs.
You guys are great! Keep it going! I am a rookie from Germany, and always watching your content with a lot to take away for me. So, thanks and keep it rolling!
If I ever travel to Toronto... I'll be stopping in. You're more thorough and knowledgeable than even guys at Club Champion, which is about as good as it gets near me. This video also goes to show that high HC guys should go get fit... and they shouldn't be ashamed of their game. You don't need to hit your 7i 180 and carry a single digit index to show up at the fitting bay.
Fantastic, I've know Rob for a while and am very jealous he did this before me. I wish I had known he was coming as I would have accompanied him!!! Great Job!!!
I really appreciated this video since it showed that a fitting is about player improvement not just selling equipment. I look forward to my fitting with your Burlington location next week. Cheers!
Knowing you and knowing your game the first thing I thought when they handed you the 565's was "hey, didn't he just sell these on the THP site!" I loved watching this video and hope a lot of people learn and understand what you can get from a quality fitting process! Can't wait for the driver fitting!
This wasn't what I expected, this fitting actually went they way I hoped it would after seeing Rob hit his original irons, the swing changes were excellent, so well done Matt & Ian. Rob may find later the original clubs need to changed to allow him to reach more of his potential or he may find his clubs are OK. I do suspect that some club fitters at some shops I've seen may have still ended up with Rob buy clubs he possibly didn't need! It will be interesting to see what's going on with Rob's golf in 2 or 3 months. I found the fitting process fascinating. I am curious about Mat & Ian's backgrounds in the golf industry, e.g. Golf Pros, skill level, Handy caps etc. Matt & Ian could you please give your audience an idea of your golfing back grounds in the industry & playing level. I loved seeing what you did with Rob, really good work guys.
Love this!! I am booked for a fitting at your Toronto location next Wednesday and it was great to see the relaxed atmosphere and patience dealing with the "average golfer" like myself..........can't wait to get there.
Reminds of when I went for a driver fitting about 5 years ago, after a few shots with my own driver the fitter suggested trying to change my angle of attack to reduce spin and immediately it went 20m further. After an hr a new driver was in the bag with a 30m gain, he didn’t think that just fitting me would get the best results and a slight change actually made more of a difference
This is a great video, sometimes it can be a slippery slope where a fitting turns into a lesson and a fitter becomes an instructor. You guys handled it with excellence. Sometimes fitters forget that there is a human element involved and the client isn’t a robot. Kudos again to you boys 👍👍👍
Great job guys....worked well having Rob do the fitting also as it provided some variety to to the testing process.... Shout out to Matt for the editing also👍
Rob,Ian,Matt fantastick. A true reflection on why so often club technology is abused rather than used. The manufacturers obviously need turnover to fund development. However the end user is betrayed by there lack of ensuring the competency of the majority of distributors is qualified to optimise club fitting.
So good, gentlemen. Really great to see that the probability to improve can be vastly increased by a properly motivated and educated fitter/instructor. That's using all the tools available to the player's benefit.
Great stuff. I wish all fitters were like Ian. Shows what can be done when a fitter is interested in improving a player not just selling them clubs. Rob that's great showing your swing and well done for the improvements. I have always been able to bring my a game to fittings, even if it disappears on the course
This was excellent I go over the top just like Rob so it was a perfect lesson for me I hit the Srixon 545s and switched to the p790s with the F3 recoils loved the lightness but didn't help the over the top went back to the 545s in a steel fiber I 95r and they work great thanks again!
This is a great video and fitting! I am planning on getting a full bag fitting sometime before next spring, wish I had the opportunity to do it with Ian and Matt! I could certainly use the advice, I don't even know what category of clubs I should be looking at right now. I feel like my swing speed is too fast for the game improvement (110+ mph on driver, 92+ on 6i), and that my consistency isn't good enough for a player's iron. Let me know if you guys want a video of fitting an improving 17 handicapper (used to be 23 hcp 9 months ago!) from his ancient Ping G5 irons and Diablo Octane driver!
I just discovered this channel. I've had two fitting experiences where it was clear that the objective was to sell me new clubs. I hope to visit TXG for a fitting session (I live in Colorado). Your expertise is obvious, and I'm learning a lot.
Kudo's again guys. Knocked another one out of the park ! Nice to see someone w/more of an average swing speed that alot if us can relate to ! 2 thumbs up guys !
Another great video. I really love your approach to doing your best to improve the playing experience regardless of if that means fitting new clubs or improving their existing clubs. A great approach that I'm sure will return to you in spades.
Awesome awesome awesome video guys. Can’t tell you how impressed I am with Ian. Didn’t know throughout this one how it was going to conclude but the fact the he ended up in a club he was using just a year ago was very cool and a good lesson for all of us tinkerers. Hopefully Crossfield would approve, bahahahaha!
Great fitting! Hate to say it again but it shows how close you guys and Mark are in philosophy. I just did a fitting for Titleist AP 3s last Saturday. I took my coach and she was wonderful to have there. As close as I could come to traveling to Toronto.
Really loved this video guys. Awesome to see an average golfer like Rob go thru the fitting paces. As usual, the education you guys delivered was awesome. Reaffirmation of how sole interaction impacts swing results was huge. Also impressed that you guys helped Rob tweak his club path to deliver greater benefits with his own clubs. To net this out - in Rob's case, would your final recommendation be for him to move to the Z565 due to increased consistency of strike vs. his P790 combo? I presume that heavier shafts in the P790s would lead to more consistency of strike for him as well, correct?
For sure Anthony, the performance of the Z565 was so much better especially in consistency. We could really hear the difference in strike between those and the P790, just not the same level of performance for Rob's swing. The slightly heavier shaft seemed to help Rob mitigate that over the top move a bit.
That's what I'm interested in for my iron game from a sole width perspective affecting my turf interaction in a negative way. I have only really owned inherited TM RAC cavity back irons with stock steel shafts that are quite thick and am intrigued to see the differences between using a thinner game improvement/crossing over to blades as well as fitted shafts for delivery. Would be super excited to get this part of my game optimized and my scores would dramatically drop. GIR is my primary enemy. Driving, chipping, and putting have been pretty strong. Need more birdie opportunities.
Club face first! Stronger grip, feeling the club in a more closed position in the downswing - naturally allowed Rob to swing more from the inside because he no longer needed to pull across it to start the ball on line.
Best Vid yet Guys! I must admit I had tears in my eyes seeing Rob SMASH the Z565`s into orbit! I didn`t know that I had a brother in the US. Go Rob Go!!!!!!!!! I just wonder who the moron is who posted a thumps down.
My pleasure I thought that the Vid was the best one so far, in that I could identify with your swing and ball flight much more that when watching Matt (however much I love his swing). I am looking forward to watching the rest of your fitting to see how it goes, I`m flying over to Toronto from the UK for a fitting myself in July and I am hoping that Ian and the Guys can work their Magic on me as well! Take care and Good Golfing
Exact opposite, I buy balls and grips, now and then a shaft. Just had a driver fitting and now I see why I need a 3w, iron, wedge, and putter fitting. Late to realize how drastically important club fitting is. I want to keep the heads I have as I am not a big fan of collecting heads as I would rather use them versus storing them to never play them.
Loved the video guys, and love the channel. I wish you were closer to Charlotte, NC. I am looking into getting a fitting and would love to do it with Ian, hopefully I can save up and get to Toronto this year. Keep up the good work guys.
Just found the channel last week and I'm pretty much all caught up. Really like seeing these high handicap fittings since they're easier to relate to. Question for the channel though, what does a full bag fit run on average? Not the session cost, but the cost of putting all these clubs together? In one of the driver fittings there was mention of a $500 shaft on one of the new drivers which I imagine puts you over $800 already. So if you grab that driver setup and then do an iron/wedge/putter fitting to fill out the other 13 clubs what will that come out to? Are there other options available for someone that wants to get fitted but an $800 driver would eat up over half the budget for? EDIT: maybe we can get a video of a customer getting fitted on a budget and see what value you can pull out from there.
Those types of prices can be common when purchasing a set with aftermarket shafts - we do also provide customers with a quote including stock shafts so they can decide according to their budget.
What an awesome fitting and video. Thank you so much. That's the way everybody wants to get fit! Great knowledge in clubs, shafts and swing changes. Would have been interesting what details Ian told.... Can you tell me? Just the hint to change the swing path never is helping out. The awareness of it is a little part but the golfer needs furthermore some help. Can't tell how everybody in my golfing community in Germany loves your channel. And some different music😂
Hey Dr. It was three things really, which sounds like way more than someone should try in one lesson let alone a fitting, but one of them was kinda easy (having a stronger grip, with both hands) as for swing path, just really concentrating on the path down to be closer to the path back, I of course didn't' get to perfect, but improved enough to make a difference. The third thing was wring hinge. I had what most will call a cupped wrist angle which can lead to an open face so we worked a lot on keeping flat even a bit bowed to exaggerate the motion.
^^^ As Rob said, getting the club face in a stronger position allowed him to start to swing more from the inside as there was no longer a need to pull across the ball to start it on line. Does that mean the new music addition gets your seal of approval Dr.? 😆😆
for sure Matt. But as you know the music is just a little part of. Meanwhile my wife is believing I've just turned kind of crazy because I'm so addicted to your channel. 💁😎😄
You guys are awesome and I think I've seen every one of your videos. By far, this one is my favourites! Thank you for all your work. I have a question for you, but first a little bit about me. I'm an 8.5 hcp index, 71 years old. I hit my driver on average a little bit over 210 yards. My 9 iron carries 103 yards. I have a solid short game. I've been seriously considering taking a club-fitting session but recently I made a shocking discovery about my swing. I got hold of some face tape last year. Used it on my driver for a few range sessions then left it my bag over the winter. I was on the range last week and decided to use the face tape with my driver and found that almost all of my shots (18 out of 20) were extremely towards the heel. I tried correcting this and it took 20 strikes until I could hit about 15/20 on the sweet spot or slightly toward the toe. This was frustrating and the only way I could find to not hit toward the heel was to address the ball a full club-head width away from the ball. I decided to try the same thing with my irons. I found that I hit 20/20 between the sweet spot and the hosel, no matter how I tried to strike toward the toe. I adjusted my address position further and further away from the ball and the best I could do was slightly toward the toe on the sweet spot. That was two days ago. Today, I shanked two iron shots even though I was addressing the ball a full club-head width away from the ball. I obviously have an issue that will involve a lot of practice to cure. My question is, is it really worth it to go to a club fitting in the middle of such a major swing change? Again, thanks for your entertaining and informative videos.
You may want to find some consistency with the swing before committing to a clubfitting. A competent fitter can certainly help you work towards your desired performance, but if you feel uncomfortable going through the process while making significant changes to your swing there's nothing wrong with waiting.
Gr8 video & instruction. Question for you. I'm mid 60s, 15 handicapper, swing speed with 7 iron low/mid 80s. Modern Drivers & shafts are built lighter than in past so we mortals are able to generate more club head speed. Problem for me is that standard shafts are any 45" & with light head/shaft, I have little/no idea where the clubhead is on backswing & this results in all sorts problems - coming down too steep/out -in path/inconsistent strikes on face. Isn't a problem with light head/shaft that they lure you into swinging too fast, so you lose rhythm, tempo and so accuracy and with it distance. Be interested in your views.
Was a bit like my fitting a few weeks ago. Somewhat disappointed that enough inconsistencies in a 22 handicap swing make club change of no benefit. Same with the driver. Did discover the 3 wood dilemma leading to upping the loft of the 3 and 5 wood and ordering less stiff shafts. I guess that with maybe only one major consistent ‘flaw’ , fittings can have a profound result. What do you guys think? Thanks for the ongoing super video sessions.J.
Depends on the player Jeremy, and good question. For Rob, it was really the combination of the club path and open club face that were causing him issues. For example, fitting a player with a similar path but more square face (someone that hits a consistent pull fade) would likely not require any intervention with the swing. We definitely could have offered Rob some decent improvement with new clubs and fitting alone, but wanted to take it to that next level for him.
I'm a 3'ish handicap. I picked up my Z765's today. Fitting with Ben here in Oregon from The Tour Van. I'm coming out of a combo set of Apex and Apex Pro's. The sole of these 765's are absolutely amazing. I "feel" like I can swing 9 degrees down and the club just works in and out of the ground. You don't know how much you're protecting against a heavy shot until you don't have to worry about a heavy shot. Question, this V sole seems to be amazing for any handicap level. What type of swinger is fitting into the MP-18 family and Callaway Apex Pro sole designs? Shallow, digger, low spin loft, etc?
TXG Tour Experience Golf well then with all the Canadians that winter in the Tampa Bay Area you need to open a shop! Just come down with the Blue Jays during spring training!
Well done Rob!!!! I'd love to get in and see these guys myself. If i wasn't on the other side of the planet i would haha. I'd love to do a video as i have a bit of speed and myself i have done a lot of tinkering and learning. The biggest thing i had overlooked was turf interaction from sole widths. There has been times i thought it was just me but now i can see it's most likely from club design. Something i wouldn't have put much thought into when talking turf interaction. If you guys ever do a giveaway for fitting with a flight package, I'll enter as many times as i can 😂😂 if i can afford it i would love to come and meet you guys one day and do a fitting. My sister did move to canada recently but i think it's a fair way from you guys
Great video as alway, How can GI irons with jacked lofts, bent back to more traditional lofts, perform? Would they “not swing right” because they’re not designed to be played as such
Do you happen to know of a club fitter in the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area that takes a similar approach as TXG? I've tried contacting a few that I've found via Google searches but just from a brief phone conversation I get the sense that selling me a new set of clubs is the end goal vs what you guys demonstrated in this video, which to be honest I found as a really refreshing take on the fitting process. If you are reluctant to make a fitter recommendation I completely understand. No worries. Just thought I would ask. Love the channel!
We generally recommend Club Champion and True Spec as good fitting studios, can't guarantee your experience of course but they're a good option if local to you. In terms of finding a fitter that will be as attentive to your swing dynamics, that may be a tougher search but there are certainly good fitters out there. Do as much research as possible, that's your best bet.
I had a lie angle test done with a launch monitor and a board and I would have been 4* flat... the pro didn’t want to bend my clubs because he said my swing was too far in to out... so he wanted to change my swing and now I can’t strike a ball well at all... should I go back to my old swing or keep working with the new changes? I have had lots of range sessions and rounds but it ends in a bad mood and not wanting to play...
I am a 12 year old boy and I’m 5 foot 5 inches. My birthday is next month and I am a 17.5 handicapper. I would like to get fitted for my birthday but can’t afford new clubs. Can I get fitted and then buy used irons that fit my specs?
Outstanding video guys! As I have said before...please open a store in St. Louis, MO. So I have a set of muira wedges with older kbs tour stiff shafts (impulse eBay purchase) feels nice and heavy and I hit them pretty good for a mid handicap guy. I also have the z565 irons with modus 105 shafts. My question is that I cannot "feel" the head or much with the irons, but can feel almost everything with the wedges. Any ideas I can bring to a fitter? I was wondering how to make the srixons heavier? Something else?
Have the swingweights checked for sure, that would be a good place to start and then assess adding weight through lead tape or shaft tip weights if necessary.
Just circled back to this and saw your question, sorry it got missed. Mostly Ian had me focus on the "1 o'clock" position of the clock when the ball was at address and to swing out toward it. Also worked with my wrist position to help the open face. had me almost do an exaggerated Dustin Johnson bowed wrist to get that feeling.
First I have to thank Ian for not only finding a club that fits me, but for somehow getting me to incorporate a swing change in the middle of a fitting session. I was astonished when I saw the ball flight change. I've had instructors spend an entire lesson with me on that, and not be able to convey to me the proper method of squaring the face and changing the path. I'm not one that is able to make an instant change, but the fact we were able to accomplish it in that session amazes me. It was truly the best investment I've made in anything golf related EVER.. Also thanks to everyone for the comments, I was a bit hesitant to show my by far less than perfect golf swing to the world, but hopefully there are other high caps or slower swing speed players that may benefit from it, and also anyone struggling with a swing flaw....just know with a competent fitter/coach, drastic changes are possible. I will continue to work on this swing constantly going forward. Ian and Matt just do incredible work!!
Thanks for doing this Rob! Glad you enjoyed the session and we're confident the video has lots of great insight for viewers.
Robert Canady nicely done. It’s great that you just went with the process. Many others will benefit as a result.
Great job Rob, the swing change was amazing. Cool to see someone from the forum on the channel. Can’t wait for the driver fitting video.
Rob...Wonderful story seeing you make the trek north - a true hardcore gear enthusiast :)
You were in very good hands with Ian and Matt with great results. I look forward to seeing how you round out the rest of your bag. Congrats on your new sticks !
I`m so pleased that you allowed TXG to share your fitting with us, it was a truly inspirational Vid (possibly the best I have ever seen on RUclips). I hope that the new equipment and swing change add to your enjoyment of this wonderful game. I`m looking forward to a future Course Vlog of a matchplay game between You and Sam the Man! Take care and keep on Rocking!
LOVE ALL THE WAY FROM MARYLAND !! Nice seeing someone local getting fitted by the best fitters to live!!
Fit without buying something pretty much kills us with “shiny penny” syndrome. Next your going to tell me I don’t need two golf carts. Thanks Rob for letting TXG to film this for us 👍😀
Props to the guys at TXG. Some subtle changes made quite a noticeable difference.
Most of us higher handicappers would be apprehensive to showcase our swing.
My hats off to the gentleman in the video being brave enough to share his fitting experience which in turn will help a lot of people show what a proper fitting should look like.
Great video. Ian you are a a magician. It's amazing to see someone getting fitted and to have the fitter care about the swing and not just selling clubs. This is by far the best RUclips channel for golf education. Thanks for the great content.
Excellent TXG. I have messed up a fitting due to feeling less of a player as the fitter. That sarcastic look your given when making a bad swing due to nerves or just not a good ball striker. Watching Ian give a lesson on ball strike to better the fitting experience, priceless. you guys truly are looking out for the golfer, not just trying to sell clubs. love it
Great video. I don’t want to give any spoilers but when I started a few years ago I used a set of used MP5s with heavy shafts.
Then I listened to the range guys and tried all the new game improvement irons and shot all over the place.
On vacation in Chicago I wandered into a fitter and he said I had the same problem as in the video and set me up with P770s.
In 6 months I went from a 15 handicap to a 2. Now to work on my driver, ugggh!
Some of the best money I've spent of late was a 'fitting' that didn't result in a purchase.. Gav @ Custom Lab Golf, Hitchin UK, stressed that although my current setup wasn't ideal, it wasn't a million miles off. "Fix this with your coach then come back.".. Another great video gents.
This video should put the entire fitting industry on alert. I have heard multiple times on other RUclips channels with fittings, and in person at multiple retailers....”our job is to fit around what you bring, not change your swing.” And some of those swings really needed a tweak that no club could change. It’s really sad. I realize companies have to move product to stay in business, but there is a better way. Keep changing the golf world boys!! Love it!
I have a fitting scheduled with Ian in July and I am truly excited. Seeing how Ian managed to help Sam Moses and now Rob, both of them are or were very similar to myself.
As Mark Crossfield always points out, it is so important to get PROPERLY fit. Great video guys, keep them coming!
A very honest fitting, it’s not always just the club😉
Ian and Matt...so cool to see the growth of the TXG channel. Content is second to none and you've been able to forged (pun intended) an interactive relationship with viewers worldwide.
Rob comes across a very genuine guy who has an obvious passion for golf (and equipment of course). It certainly speaks volumes how far people will travel to seek your guidance in pursuit of self-improvement. Definitely one of the most impactful videos you guys have produced to date....A++ gents
Gary Thompson appreciate the kind words Gsry. Matt and Ian put me at ease the minute I walked through the door. Both very genuine people. I don't want to speak for him. But after the fitting it appeared Ian was very happy for me and the change we made.
That was an awesome session. Kudos to Rob for laying it out there and being able to make that swing change in one session. It has just proved to me again, Ian is a wizard! Well done fellas!
Almost 4 years of playing with rob and ive never seen the ball go left. Great video showing what a fitting is really about
Shocking wasn't it?
+Rob C yeah a little.
Amazing to see Rob be able to make such dramatic path & face angle changes and then be able to hit functional golf shots. The more I hear about turf interaction, the more I understand why I sort of figured that out myself without being able to exactly describe what it was - and why I have always been drawn to more cavity back type blades and not mid sized game improvement stuff - the club just goes through the ball & turf more consistently and that means better shots more of the time. Great stuff Rob!
Love the message!! This is why I'm flying in next year for my fitting with you Ian. It's all about the golfer leaving with a better game...however that happens!
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Guys this is the best one yet.. 🏌🏼♂️👍🏼👍🏼 fitting and instruction getting those results.. what a difference 👏🏼👏🏼
Great to see (GolfSpy) Rob on the channel. With all of the internet discussion over fitting the last couple weeks this video could not have come at a better time. In this case it was both clubs and instruction to help your client. To get someone to go from 8 degrees out to in to 2 degrees in to out is a huge improvement.
Seeing a fitter make a small tweak to Rob's swing was very refreshing.
I have literally had the opposite experience during a fitting at a different company. I am a high handicapper who was having trouble with my long clubs and scheduled a fitting. I was able to schedule a lesson at a range near me with an instructor I have seen before in the interim. After that lesson, my swing changed a decent amount and I became a less consistent ball striker because of it.
I considered canceling the fitting having a sneaking suspicion that it would not go well. I kept the appointment but my suspicion was correct. I wanted to do a fitting, not only to see what club specs are good for me but also to learn more about my swing.
When I got there I started hitting shots with a driver and a 3 wood and was hitting pretty consistently low heel shots. After about 15 minutes the fitter gave the option of canceling the fitting at no charge or continuing but pointing out (fairly) that spending upwards of $500 for a new driver probably was not worth it.
At this point, I felt super embarrassed and gained pretty much nothing from the fitting. I was not necessarily looking to buy equipment on the spot and was more wanting to get a better understanding of my swing and what can help.
It was clear to me at this point that the fitter was not interested in helping my game and instead was only concerned with making their commission, so I chose to end the fitting and leave. I respect that the fitter chose to not charge me for the fitting but I did not respect his complete disinterest in helping me learn more about my swing.
For the skeptics out there, this is really what a fitting with Ian is like. Its totally clear that he's trying to find the combination of equipment that works best for you. There is no pressure and he has a ton of patience. As an 11 handicapper, I have lots of less than brilliant strikes. There aren't enough good things to say about TXG. Having gone through the bag with him, I wouldn't go anywhere else for clubs.
You guys are great! Keep it going! I am a rookie from Germany, and always watching your content with a lot to take away for me. So, thanks and keep it rolling!
I really enjoyed seeing the level of respect and support you gave your customer to help him improve. Very excellent!
If I ever travel to Toronto... I'll be stopping in. You're more thorough and knowledgeable than even guys at Club Champion, which is about as good as it gets near me.
This video also goes to show that high HC guys should go get fit... and they shouldn't be ashamed of their game. You don't need to hit your 7i 180 and carry a single digit index to show up at the fitting bay.
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Fantastic, I've know Rob for a while and am very jealous he did this before me. I wish I had known he was coming as I would have accompanied him!!! Great Job!!!
Guys-This is one of the best golf videos I've ever seen. Enough said!
I really appreciated this video since it showed that a fitting is about player improvement not just selling equipment. I look forward to my fitting with your Burlington location next week. Cheers!
Great video guys. Your content is simply superior when it comes to fitting. Second guy from Maryland in less than a month!
It really wasnt a tough trip.
Knowing you and knowing your game the first thing I thought when they handed you the 565's was "hey, didn't he just sell these on the THP site!" I loved watching this video and hope a lot of people learn and understand what you can get from a quality fitting process! Can't wait for the driver fitting!
Ha Chris, you are right, had them in the bag when we played last summer, and sold them over the winter to help fund the 790's :(
Fellas, this is inspiring. Truly an example of what any service provider should be striving for.
This wasn't what I expected, this fitting actually went they way I hoped it would after seeing Rob hit his original irons, the swing changes were excellent, so well done Matt & Ian. Rob may find later the original clubs need to changed to allow him to reach more of his potential or he may find his clubs are OK. I do suspect that some club fitters at some shops I've seen may have still ended up with Rob buy clubs he possibly didn't need!
It will be interesting to see what's going on with Rob's golf in 2 or 3 months. I found the fitting process fascinating. I am curious about Mat & Ian's backgrounds in the golf industry, e.g. Golf Pros, skill level, Handy caps etc. Matt & Ian could you please give your audience an idea of your golfing back grounds in the industry & playing level. I loved seeing what you did with Rob, really good work guys.
Love this!! I am booked for a fitting at your Toronto location next Wednesday and it was great to see the relaxed atmosphere and patience dealing with the "average golfer" like myself..........can't wait to get there.
Great different side of the fitting process
You guys are real game changers
Reminds of when I went for a driver fitting about 5 years ago, after a few shots with my own driver the fitter suggested trying to change my angle of attack to reduce spin and immediately it went 20m further. After an hr a new driver was in the bag with a 30m gain, he didn’t think that just fitting me would get the best results and a slight change actually made more of a difference
This is a great video, sometimes it can be a slippery slope where a fitting turns into a lesson and a fitter becomes an instructor. You guys handled it with excellence. Sometimes fitters forget that there is a human element involved and the client isn’t a robot. Kudos again to you boys 👍👍👍
Great job guys....worked well having Rob do the fitting also as it provided some variety to to the testing process.... Shout out to Matt for the editing also👍
You guys are in a league of your own! Absolutely incredible video!
This is the best golf video Iv ever seen helping the guy out with his swing I wish I was in the us and could come and see you guys
Rob,Ian,Matt fantastick. A true reflection on why so often club technology is abused rather than used. The manufacturers obviously need turnover to fund development. However the end user is betrayed by there lack of ensuring the competency of the majority of distributors is qualified to optimise club fitting.
The moment that path changes from 12 degrees...life changer!
Massive change on path. A video on what you done to help Rob would be beneficial to many amateur golfers I see.
So good, gentlemen. Really great to see that the probability to improve can be vastly increased by a properly motivated and educated fitter/instructor. That's using all the tools available to the player's benefit.
Great stuff. I wish all fitters were like Ian. Shows what can be done when a fitter is interested in improving a player not just selling them clubs. Rob that's great showing your swing and well done for the improvements. I have always been able to bring my a game to fittings, even if it disappears on the course
Thanks Mark, appreciate the kind words, and it's good to know so many found the session helpful to them.
this is so so good. THIS is what a fitting should be
Excellent video. Great to see an unbiased and informative fitting session. Well done lads 👍
This was excellent I go over the top just like Rob so it was a perfect lesson for me I hit the Srixon 545s and switched to the p790s with the F3 recoils loved the lightness but didn't help the over the top went back to the 545s in a steel fiber I 95r and they work great thanks again!
Thanks Robert, same name and similar club changes. We must have been separated at birth!! I"m glad you found it helpful
This is a great video and fitting! I am planning on getting a full bag fitting sometime before next spring, wish I had the opportunity to do it with Ian and Matt! I could certainly use the advice, I don't even know what category of clubs I should be looking at right now. I feel like my swing speed is too fast for the game improvement (110+ mph on driver, 92+ on 6i), and that my consistency isn't good enough for a player's iron.
Let me know if you guys want a video of fitting an improving 17 handicapper (used to be 23 hcp 9 months ago!) from his ancient Ping G5 irons and Diablo Octane driver!
Another excellent video, Gents, and the annotation throughout was a great addition as well!
Wow. Great video and an even better fitting. This should be pinned as an intro video for you guys.
I just discovered this channel. I've had two fitting experiences where it was clear that the objective was to sell me new clubs. I hope to visit TXG for a fitting session (I live in Colorado). Your expertise is obvious, and I'm learning a lot.
Thanks Tim! Would be great to have you in for a visit!
I'll be in Syracuse soon. How far out should I schedule an appointment?
As far out as you can Tim, the studio schedule is quite busy (which we're grateful for!) so best to book in advance to get the appointment you want.
Top notch guys. I have stayed firmed with the numbers from last fitting some 20 years ago 🤦🏾♂️ maybe it’s time for a visit
So when is the mobile fitting fan coming to New Jersey? I need you guys!
Kudo's again guys. Knocked another one out of the park ! Nice to see someone w/more of an average swing speed that alot if us can relate to ! 2 thumbs up guys !
Thanks Charles, glad it was of benefit to you and others in the same swing category
Another great video. I really love your approach to doing your best to improve the playing experience regardless of if that means fitting new clubs or improving their existing clubs. A great approach that I'm sure will return to you in spades.
This is an awesome video and fitting/instruction video! Very impressive. I would love to come-up for a fitting.
Awesome awesome awesome video guys. Can’t tell you how impressed I am with Ian. Didn’t know throughout this one how it was going to conclude but the fact the he ended up in a club he was using just a year ago was very cool and a good lesson for all of us tinkerers. Hopefully Crossfield would approve, bahahahaha!
Great fitting! Hate to say it again but it shows how close you guys and Mark are in philosophy. I just did a fitting for Titleist AP 3s last Saturday. I took my coach and she was wonderful to have there. As close as I could come to traveling to Toronto.
Amazing video and what an amazing experience it looks to be. Hope to be able to visit you guys and get fitted when travelling to Toronto!
Really loved this video guys. Awesome to see an average golfer like Rob go thru the fitting paces. As usual, the education you guys delivered was awesome. Reaffirmation of how sole interaction impacts swing results was huge. Also impressed that you guys helped Rob tweak his club path to deliver greater benefits with his own clubs. To net this out - in Rob's case, would your final recommendation be for him to move to the Z565 due to increased consistency of strike vs. his P790 combo? I presume that heavier shafts in the P790s would lead to more consistency of strike for him as well, correct?
For sure Anthony, the performance of the Z565 was so much better especially in consistency. We could really hear the difference in strike between those and the P790, just not the same level of performance for Rob's swing. The slightly heavier shaft seemed to help Rob mitigate that over the top move a bit.
Yes sir. Rhe 565 will be on the docket and will put the brakes on my club tinkering.
That's what I'm interested in for my iron game from a sole width perspective affecting my turf interaction in a negative way. I have only really owned inherited TM RAC cavity back irons with stock steel shafts that are quite thick and am intrigued to see the differences between using a thinner game improvement/crossing over to blades as well as fitted shafts for delivery. Would be super excited to get this part of my game optimized and my scores would dramatically drop. GIR is my primary enemy. Driving, chipping, and putting have been pretty strong. Need more birdie opportunities.
Like the video a lot. Really makes me want to try and book a fitting with you guys.
Srixon make some incredible irons. I just recently made the switch to an older set of z745s and I wont be changing any time soon.
Best video yet....how did u fix that path???
Club face first! Stronger grip, feeling the club in a more closed position in the downswing - naturally allowed Rob to swing more from the inside because he no longer needed to pull across it to start the ball on line.
Best Vid yet Guys! I must admit I had tears in my eyes seeing Rob SMASH the Z565`s into orbit!
I didn`t know that I had a brother in the US. Go Rob Go!!!!!!!!!
I just wonder who the moron is who posted a thumps down.
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Appreciate the kind words.
Yes, there always appears to be one or two thumbs down. Competition?? 😆
My pleasure I thought that the Vid was the best one so far, in that I could identify with your swing and ball flight much more that when watching Matt (however much I love his swing). I am looking forward to watching the rest of your fitting to see how it goes, I`m flying over to Toronto from the UK for a fitting myself in July and I am hoping that Ian and the Guys can work their Magic on me as well! Take care and Good Golfing
May be Mark Crossfield posted thumbs down.. haha
Exact opposite, I buy balls and grips, now and then a shaft. Just had a driver fitting and now I see why I need a 3w, iron, wedge, and putter fitting. Late to realize how drastically important club fitting is. I want to keep the heads I have as I am not a big fan of collecting heads as I would rather use them versus storing them to never play them.
Loved the video guys, and love the channel. I wish you were closer to Charlotte, NC. I am looking into getting a fitting and would love to do it with Ian, hopefully I can save up and get to Toronto this year. Keep up the good work guys.
Fascinating stuff as always - well done lads
Just found the channel last week and I'm pretty much all caught up. Really like seeing these high handicap fittings since they're easier to relate to.
Question for the channel though, what does a full bag fit run on average? Not the session cost, but the cost of putting all these clubs together?
In one of the driver fittings there was mention of a $500 shaft on one of the new drivers which I imagine puts you over $800 already. So if you grab that driver setup and then do an iron/wedge/putter fitting to fill out the other 13 clubs what will that come out to?
Are there other options available for someone that wants to get fitted but an $800 driver would eat up over half the budget for?
EDIT: maybe we can get a video of a customer getting fitted on a budget and see what value you can pull out from there.
Those types of prices can be common when purchasing a set with aftermarket shafts - we do also provide customers with a quote including stock shafts so they can decide according to their budget.
Thank you for your ethics.
What an awesome fitting and video. Thank you so much. That's the way everybody wants to get fit! Great knowledge in clubs, shafts and swing changes. Would have been interesting what details Ian told.... Can you tell me? Just the hint to change the swing path never is helping out. The awareness of it is a little part but the golfer needs furthermore some help. Can't tell how everybody in my golfing community in Germany loves your channel. And some different music😂
Hey Dr. It was three things really, which sounds like way more than someone should try in one lesson let alone a fitting, but one of them was kinda easy (having a stronger grip, with both hands) as for swing path, just really concentrating on the path down to be closer to the path back, I of course didn't' get to perfect, but improved enough to make a difference. The third thing was wring hinge. I had what most will call a cupped wrist angle which can lead to an open face so we worked a lot on keeping flat even a bit bowed to exaggerate the motion.
^^^ As Rob said, getting the club face in a stronger position allowed him to start to swing more from the inside as there was no longer a need to pull across the ball to start it on line.
Does that mean the new music addition gets your seal of approval Dr.? 😆😆
for sure Matt. But as you know the music is just a little part of.
Meanwhile my wife is believing I've just turned kind of crazy because I'm so addicted to your channel. 💁😎😄
Thanks a lot Robert for your open explanations and for your courage to do this videos. Great stuff for everybody watching this channel
Such amazing work guys!
Awesome fitting and great info!
Excellent again, so insightful
You guys are awesome and I think I've seen every one of your videos. By far, this one is my favourites! Thank you for all your work.
I have a question for you, but first a little bit about me. I'm an 8.5 hcp index, 71 years old. I hit my driver on average a little bit over 210 yards. My 9 iron carries 103 yards. I have a solid short game. I've been seriously considering taking a club-fitting session but recently I made a shocking discovery about my swing. I got hold of some face tape last year. Used it on my driver for a few range sessions then left it my bag over the winter. I was on the range last week and decided to use the face tape with my driver and found that almost all of my shots (18 out of 20) were extremely towards the heel. I tried correcting this and it took 20 strikes until I could hit about 15/20 on the sweet spot or slightly toward the toe. This was frustrating and the only way I could find to not hit toward the heel was to address the ball a full club-head width away from the ball.
I decided to try the same thing with my irons. I found that I hit 20/20 between the sweet spot and the hosel, no matter how I tried to strike toward the toe. I adjusted my address position further and further away from the ball and the best I could do was slightly toward the toe on the sweet spot. That was two days ago. Today, I shanked two iron shots even though I was addressing the ball a full club-head width away from the ball. I obviously have an issue that will involve a lot of practice to cure.
My question is, is it really worth it to go to a club fitting in the middle of such a major swing change?
Again, thanks for your entertaining and informative videos.
You may want to find some consistency with the swing before committing to a clubfitting. A competent fitter can certainly help you work towards your desired performance, but if you feel uncomfortable going through the process while making significant changes to your swing there's nothing wrong with waiting.
Gr8 video & instruction. Question for you. I'm mid 60s, 15 handicapper, swing speed with 7 iron low/mid 80s. Modern Drivers & shafts are built lighter than in past so we mortals are able to generate more club head speed. Problem for me is that standard shafts are any 45" & with light head/shaft, I have little/no idea where the clubhead is on backswing & this results in all sorts problems - coming down too steep/out -in path/inconsistent strikes on face. Isn't a problem with light head/shaft that they lure you into swinging too fast, so you lose rhythm, tempo and so accuracy and with it distance. Be interested in your views.
Have the swingweight measured, it's probably on the light side.
Was a bit like my fitting a few weeks ago. Somewhat disappointed that enough inconsistencies in a 22 handicap swing make club change of no benefit. Same with the driver. Did discover the 3 wood dilemma leading to upping the loft of the 3 and 5 wood and ordering less stiff shafts. I guess that with maybe only one major consistent ‘flaw’ , fittings can have a profound result. What do you guys think? Thanks for the ongoing super video sessions.J.
Depends on the player Jeremy, and good question. For Rob, it was really the combination of the club path and open club face that were causing him issues. For example, fitting a player with a similar path but more square face (someone that hits a consistent pull fade) would likely not require any intervention with the swing. We definitely could have offered Rob some decent improvement with new clubs and fitting alone, but wanted to take it to that next level for him.
Gotta love Ian's accent. Reminds me of Gober, the blacksmith from How To Train Your Dragon.
Very specific reference there Allen! 😆😆😆
You guys are great keep it up. I was wondering when it is time to move from a regular shaft to a stiff shaft.
Depends on the dynamics of your swing Benjamin, but when you start approaching the 100mph mark with the driver look into a stiffer flex.
Thank you guys for a great video!
Great! As Mr Mayo - TrackmanMaestro would say.. welcome to drawsville.
I'm a 3'ish handicap. I picked up my Z765's today. Fitting with Ben here in Oregon from The Tour Van. I'm coming out of a combo set of Apex and Apex Pro's. The sole of these 765's are absolutely amazing. I "feel" like I can swing 9 degrees down and the club just works in and out of the ground. You don't know how much you're protecting against a heavy shot until you don't have to worry about a heavy shot. Question, this V sole seems to be amazing for any handicap level. What type of swinger is fitting into the MP-18 family and Callaway Apex Pro sole designs? Shallow, digger, low spin loft, etc?
More detailed video on sole design and turf interaction is on our list for sure.
I always wonder how you can get properly fit off a mat when the mat doesn't expose those issues
A proper mat does, we use a custom surface at the studio.
TXG Tour Experience Golf well then with all the Canadians that winter in the Tampa Bay Area you need to open a shop! Just come down with the Blue Jays during spring training!
Does changing lie flatter correct heel strike and vice versa? Ive seen the guy at Orka do this to set lies for club fittings
What are your thoughts on MOI matching and/ or progressive swing weighting?
Sign of a good fitter. Not just trying to sell clubs to make money. Fitting is a lesson as much as it is an equipment change.
I'd love to get fitted by Ian that's for sure instead of going to Disney Land/World.....sorry kiddos
Ian if weight was a issue why would you not try adding weight or fitting one of your 790's and different shafts to get the swing weight up
Well done Rob!!!! I'd love to get in and see these guys myself. If i wasn't on the other side of the planet i would haha. I'd love to do a video as i have a bit of speed and myself i have done a lot of tinkering and learning. The biggest thing i had overlooked was turf interaction from sole widths. There has been times i thought it was just me but now i can see it's most likely from club design. Something i wouldn't have put much thought into when talking turf interaction.
If you guys ever do a giveaway for fitting with a flight package, I'll enter as many times as i can 😂😂 if i can afford it i would love to come and meet you guys one day and do a fitting. My sister did move to canada recently but i think it's a fair way from you guys
Great video as alway,
How can GI irons with jacked lofts, bent back to more traditional lofts, perform? Would they “not swing right” because they’re not designed to be played as such
As long as you're not adding too much loft, it shouldn't be an issue. If you add too much loft you'll add too much bounce to the club simultaneously.
So far, I've broken 90 three times. What handicap would you call that?
Do you happen to know of a club fitter in the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area that takes a similar approach as TXG? I've tried contacting a few that I've found via Google searches but just from a brief phone conversation I get the sense that selling me a new set of clubs is the end goal vs what you guys demonstrated in this video, which to be honest I found as a really refreshing take on the fitting process. If you are reluctant to make a fitter recommendation I completely understand. No worries. Just thought I would ask. Love the channel!
We generally recommend Club Champion and True Spec as good fitting studios, can't guarantee your experience of course but they're a good option if local to you. In terms of finding a fitter that will be as attentive to your swing dynamics, that may be a tougher search but there are certainly good fitters out there. Do as much research as possible, that's your best bet.
I had a lie angle test done with a launch monitor and a board and I would have been 4* flat... the pro didn’t want to bend my clubs because he said my swing was too far in to out... so he wanted to change my swing and now I can’t strike a ball well at all... should I go back to my old swing or keep working with the new changes? I have had lots of range sessions and rounds but it ends in a bad mood and not wanting to play...
You can adjust lie angle over time as your swing improves, it's generally not a very expensive or time consuming thing to have done.
I am a 12 year old boy and I’m 5 foot 5 inches. My birthday is next month and I am a 17.5 handicapper. I would like to get fitted for my birthday but can’t afford new clubs. Can I get fitted and then buy used irons that fit my specs?
Outstanding video guys! As I have said before...please open a store in St. Louis, MO. So I have a set of muira wedges with older kbs tour stiff shafts (impulse eBay purchase) feels nice and heavy and I hit them pretty good for a mid handicap guy. I also have the z565 irons with modus 105 shafts. My question is that I cannot "feel" the head or much with the irons, but can feel almost everything with the wedges. Any ideas I can bring to a fitter? I was wondering how to make the srixons heavier? Something else?
Have the swingweights checked for sure, that would be a good place to start and then assess adding weight through lead tape or shaft tip weights if necessary.
TXG Tour Experience Golf thank you! Would you suggest trying heavier shafts for the irons also?
Would be worth trying, but wouldn't recommend having them changed out of the 565's without the opportunity to test first.
TXG Tour Experience Golf thanks again!
Can you explain turf interaction differences? Larger soled cavity backs vs mid size or blades and what affects it has? What happens to the face?
Might dedicate a video to that topic Michael!
Ian and Matt please do.
Great video love your channel
Txg can u do a video on titelist TMB vs taylormade p790s please
so where can I sign up for lessons with you guys haha
Bloody marvellous.
Love love love this!
Can you share what you did to help him with the path?
Just circled back to this and saw your question, sorry it got missed. Mostly Ian had me focus on the "1 o'clock" position of the clock when the ball was at address and to swing out toward it. Also worked with my wrist position to help the open face. had me almost do an exaggerated Dustin Johnson bowed wrist to get that feeling.
hey i know him lol i’m from baltimore, well 15 miles south lol i saw him this morning oddly enough how random. we’re members at the same course