@@TimsVariety Don't you get free GE and preminums from gaijin as a content creator? That probably helps offest the econmics of flying planes like the b29 or f4d.
@@blitzroyale348 Don't think Tim is a part of the content creator program, so he doesnt get those benefits. Doesn't mean he wont reach that one day though ;)
@@TimsVariety Remember, it could have been a hell of a lot worse! You did this video AFTER that repair cost patch like 6 or 8 patches ago. Its a LOT cheaper now than it was.
In a weird way, I kind of miss the repair cost apocalypse era. Planes really "meant" something at that time, and if you saw someone flying out something expensive, they were either just making too much money to care, or they were real good at what they flew. That said... yeah, current repair costs are way healthier for the game. "Expensive" repair costs today are nothing like they were, even if they can still be pretty high.
@@TheAmazingCowpig About 4 years ago, when I reached 5.7 ARB with Germany and spaded the Ta's those were over 40k *each* when spaded. It encouraged skill, but now theyre sub-15k'ish.. theyre also now 6.0... now it kinda doesnt matter if you get killed, but back then it sure as shit did.
The B-29 didn’t really have a belly gunner, although I assume this means he was assigned to operate the 2 lower turrets. Unlike the other US heavy bombers, your grandad luckily did not have to wedge himself into a rotating ball below the plane - he would be operating the 2 lower gun turrets remotely from the blister window about 2/3 of the way back on the side of the plane.
@@sidchicken2308 Exactly right, but those are the guns he controlled for certain. Still a risky job, nonetheless, and I wouldn't be here for either luck, or his crews prowess. Being a pretty good shot with a gun like my father, and his before him, I'd say he was probably pretty handy with those things. He had problems with drinking after the war unfortunately, so it is likely the latter, though he didn't talk about it at all.
@@bethelscrubs2549 I’m sorry to hear that - I know a lot of vets that don’t like to talk about it. War truly is hard on the human psyche. Nor was my intent to downplay the danger inherent in being aboard a WW2 bomber, even one as advanced as the B-29.
@@sidchicken2308 OH no man, I know you weren't. I was just admiring him and all of the other veterans. He was just slightly more comfortable compared to a B17 belly gunner, so no offense taken, but how comfortable can you be when Japanese planes are trying to cut the plane in half by ramming it in the fuselage 😳
If there is any silver lining to the B-29, it's the fact that you can use it in top rank naval mode (especially arcade) and doesn't have to pay a huge bill for it.
@@WeGoToMars probably something like how the T-2 has radar aiming device.(I think) If they wanted to make it more realistic and skillfully then you would be able to control the intersection range of the guns. Hopefully there would also be a proper aim lead for the guns.
All strategic bomber in game have something close to the Norden bombsight, making the balance way easier but indeed a bit unfair if you think of how massive the project was. The Norden was on par with the Manhattan project.
They’re not useless if you upgrade the hell out of your gunners and bomb bases. If you’re able to drop 2 sets of bombs and get a kill with your tail gunners, that’s more than most players will do with a fighter plane lol
It doesn"t mean shit when jets are lightspeed and one shot you from very far away These bombers are pretty useless... especially if it sees jets... now in my opinion... TU-95 Bear would be 8.0 material Not this B-29
@@kajmak64bit76 Don't forget they see you from several kilometers away without even spotting your dot's silhouette because a lot of jets in the br. have pretty good radars. They are a huge target at high altitudes and the same at low altitudes, very overtiered plane that isn't even useful for stealth bombing. I take it out every 13 days and if my team is losing i could as well just rip my wings. It can be used to blitz through bases and gunship early on though hoping no one has AAM-s and that can be fun-just not with the repair costs it has.
@@kajmak64bit76 i still don't understand how slow big heavy bombers are at 8.0 ... , like,there should be a limit for them, maybe 7.0 or even 7.3, it's just ridiculous
Bro I just got the b-29 and played my first game with it. First off, absolutely love it. It handles really well for how big it is and it is surprisingly fast. Starts with 20 x 500 pound bombs which is no joke. My first game with it my team had 3 b-29s, and we destroyed the airfield without even having to land. Ridiculously good. Not one enemy even got up to our level. I don’t know if it was because they just ignored us or because they physically couldn’t get up to 18k Ft but we absolutely destroyed them. It was so cool flying back in formation with the 2 random b29s and watching that meter tick down in our favor. Love it
It’s nice to see they’ve implemented the alternating bay bomb drop as it had IRL. This was to keep the center of gravity balanced during bomb runs. The 2 bays are positioned fore and aft of the wings.
I was thinking of a way to introduce the b29 Targeting computer into the game and the way they do it is to use the lead calculator in arcade in realistic because that’s what it essentially did in Real life and it would give the B 29 a fighting chance against jets because it wasn’t designed versus jets tell me what you think
It's pretty much already that. Bombers don't affect the gameplay in RB. (most matches) Still you get jerks going out of their way to kill you because 'dUh, bOmberS bAd!4', or because they just aren't skilled enough to fight planes that can actually effectively fight back at that br.. Mission times have been reduced to the point it's basically just Arcade with better rewards and we still have people crying about bombers extending the length of matches because they don't want to get killed by some lame airfield camper when killing about 5 ground targets can end a game at that point. :D (sometimes i get wins when i use a bomber because some people don't seem to realize that) One thing i could add as an advice is only spawn in a bomber if the map is big enough, go either low altitude or really high altitude to improve your chances for safety (some planes have radars if you're using the Tu4, some don't)and stealth bomb. If you're talking about something like heli PvE, i could see that would be relaxing
@@gabork5055 - "we still have people crying about bombers extending the length of matches" Ugh climbing to space and running away from everyone in your shitty bomber is the lamest way to "win" a game, if you can even call something so passive and stupid "winning".
I've recommended this multiple times but I'll do it again and keep doing it until Gaijin notices. They need to create a new "Strategic Bomber" mode where players are matched up with maybe 75-80% bombers and the rest fighters, whihc can take the role of escorts or interceptors. Rather than just three targets they should have literally dozens on each side. Fighters should rearm and refuel as normal but after refueling and rearming bombers should once again get an air spawn. The match should then come down to either who can shoot down enough bombers or who can bomb enough targets, with the bombing role being more important. Bombers would have to think whether they will try to bomb as fast as possible or wait until enough friendly bombers and or escorts have showed up to help them get to the targets, fighters will have to think whether they should focus on escorting bombers or knocking out enemy bombers. Please Gaijin make this happen !
You would probably need to give either all the fighters airspawn or make maps quite literally the size of France or Germany for that to work and maybe do an in air rearm like Enlisted where you have to fly to a point in the sky to rearm and repair
as much as I want something better for bombers, an escort style battle in the current game would probably just devolve into most fighter players ignoring everything but the enemy bombers, and people spamming things with big cannons that can oneshot the bombers with sniping shots instead of actually getting in range of the gunners. To actually make it work Gaijin would have to come up with a reliable system for giving credit to defensive/escort roles without it being abuse-able by people clicking battle at the same time in different nations then f-ing off into a corner to circle-jerk for infinite points. I don't think Gaijin would ever spend time on that when they can just keep pumping out $60 premiums of famous vehicles until they hit true modern era.
@@malcolmmorris3947 So you're saying that fighter players would spam aircraft with huge climb rates, low maneuverability and massive armament, like say an interceptor. Wow, I hadn't thought of that...
@@rags417 Yes never could have realized that myself. it's not that it's the historically correct role, in this video game bombers have most of the disadvantages that existed IRL but fighter/interceptors largely ignore their own because safely, risk to the aircraft, and intended use don't really exist; a massive advantage on top of already being in a far superior platform. When bombers try to ignore those things it's just suicide diving. why bother trying to protect or dogfight when you could just kill xp pinatas. intended gameplay goes out the window for most efficient grind.
@@princessapplestrach6327 manual engine control. Let's you control propellor pitch, cooling flaps, every engine individually, etc Especially for damage or those cases it is extremely helpful.
The funniest thing is this thing is so screwed by Gaijin. It had ballistic computers with the guns, with an effective engagement range of *900 meters* on single engine fighters. In WT with aced crews you're lucky to hit anything at 50 meters. On top of that, it's gun rotation is about 3× as fast as it is in WT. And finally, the B-29 was phased out of frontline service starting in 1946 with the advent of the B-36 Peacemaker. Yet in WT it fights jets with heatseekers its entirely helpless against. It's a free kill for any fighter, even in a downtier. It's really sad Gaijin neutered it and made it unplayable, even if it's less expensive than it was. IMHO bombers should be the cheapest since they're the easiest to kill and have the hardest time staying alive
When you land the B 29 turn off your middle to engines and use the outer 2 You still drop but it gives you enough power just to sort of glide and do a perfect landing and landing gear as airbrakes before you even think about putting your flaps down because the gear has a much higher tolerance
If you want to fly this thing just take it out into sim. It’s far more enjoyable and survivable. You can spend all day at altitude with your massive bomb load with plenty of room to climb and descend safely
This plane had a very serious design/engineering problem with its engine nacelles. These could be opened to assist with over heating, but some cases where they were opened but could not close caused crashes from the stall induced by the extra drag. In thinking about that, perhaps modelling the nacelles could be done so that in either hard climbing (to help cooling) - or in the decent into a landing - these could provide a form of air brake/additional drag.
Putting random numbers on aircraft isnt usual to me but please believe when I say that when I bought the B 29 I also put the 5 randomly tho not intented.
Somebody asked in one of my FAQs last year, but the significance of the 5 on all my aircraft is that when I was taking flying lessons, the plane I solo'ed in was #5 in the fleet.
In American bombers I like to slow down to flap speed, close the throttles, drop flaps to keep my speed right on the number, and just drop like a rock to descend. Havent tried it too much on the B-29 bc of "economical" reasons but it works fantastic on the B-24 and the B-17
@@FLMKane Bombers stopped being powerful many years ago. They're a shell of what they used to be. And what Tim's was saying in this video, a maxed out gunner crew is almost useless as they either refuse to open fire or they have Stormtrooper aim that can't hit shit.
The tu4 is more competitiv at its br then the b29 because of the 1500fabs and 23mm turets with the HE belts,50cals suck against jets ,rarely maybe a pilot snipe.
I'd argue against it because of the BR of the TU-4. Being at 8.0 means it will, almost guaranteed, get pulled into a 9.0 full uptier. Most of your deaths will therefore occur almost immediately after the start of the match to either an afterburning jet or a guided missile you have no way of avoiding. The B-29 meanwhile actually benefits from being pulled into early jet matches that will fail at matching it's altitude, while on a downtier it would face superprops that would actually find it easier to take it down.
@@mobiuscoreindustries i just spaded Tu-4 and quite opposite happen You see, you'll often play along with other bomber like Il-28 or attacker like F-84F from other nation These guys very often diving straight to the base and thus flying at high speed and low altitude The result was majority of the enemy fighter are got baited by these folks, leaving you pretty much safe at high altitude since you are very slow compared to them, even better if you side climb instead head straight to where they're coming from Also you'll be always stuck at around 8.3-8.7 because the high population of US A-4, F-84 and F-86, Soviet MiG-15 and 17 (they're the best here) german G.91, french MD and of course british cancer vixen and their afterburner Swift and Javelin More importantly soviet are actually got preferred matchmaking by putting soviet along with europe nation against US alone, your own team will consist mostly of premium jets like german G91 R4 and british vixen and a very common premium on your nation the MiG-17AS that will absolutely curbstomp US jet like Sabre, Skyhawk and Cougar at that br (i know some of them got missile, but they usually wasted on other bomber or got clapped by your team, also from my experience by the time they tried to intercept you they pretty much already out of missile as you know you fly so high that they didn't know if the opponent team had Tu-4 or not since they usually fight at low, thus got no missile to spare) i had a hard time spading US A-4E before Tu-4 (for event), almost feels like the match are rigged, it so bad that i got US (my team) against US with all nation! And they even got Harrier as their top br while the rest of us mainly Sabre and Skyhawk! It was a slaughter...
Ah, i remember when u could just win games with B-29, destroy all the bases, go for airfield, kill some planes on the way. Got talisman on it back in the day and researched all the way to jets.
Back in the day when I played the b29 before jets I would just take 30 minutes to climb to 30,000ft and hit the base with big bombs. If someone attempted to climb to get me my maxed out gunners helped pretty good 😆
To me the B-29 can be described to the common man as that custom made item Good to show off when the risk is low and you want to impress, eye candy, and beautiful. But when used for practical purposes you might as well sacrifice your offspring.
The B-29 doesn't cost much repair cost as it's used to which is great, there are starter jets that have more expansive repair cost than the B-29. so the meme of B-29 breaking your SL wallet doesn't hold on anymore
The only time you should be taking out a B-29 in Ground RB is once you get 2500 spawn points. ;) Also, at least it's not 2019 anymore with that 50k repair cost.
In World of Warships, we have a term for beautiful but impractical ships. Port Queens. Don't get me wrong, I love my Port Queens. One of my favorite ships is the Mikasa battleship. But she is a close range secondary monster and useless against any battleship optimized for long range fire.
the 40x load is most efficient for base destruction in RB and Arcade, never ever use the 18x1ks, you can kill 3 bases from full with 36x 500s, iirc. Been a while for me.
my trick for landing the B-29 is to do what the space shuttle does. you gotta do these giant, lazy "S"s in the sky to throw your speed off to the left and right of the aircraft. after all, like the space shuttle, you probably are descending from orbit. lol
I got the B-29 when it first came out, and it was really good. Not overpowered though, yeah you could do alot of Bombing, but you couldn't defend yourself very well, and if enemies climbed they would get you. Gaijin jumping the repair cost just killed it for me, as well as being 7.0 just makes it an RP pinata. There is no reason to fly it, unless you want to spend SL.
Not over powered. Certainly not. At full combat load out it wouldn’t fly on three engines at low altitude. Lose an engine on take off below 500’ agl, and everyone is lost. Not enough time for bombardier to get bomb bay open and salvo bomb load. From Kadena in 1950, to the Yalu bridges you burned 2/3’s of your fuel northbound, one third south. Strategic bombing with one aircraft? I don’t know about the highly successful mine drops in the campaign against Japan. Otherwise except for two very well known missions strategic missions were always done in formation, even at night. Even fire bombing of Pyongyang was done in formation. Runways, rail yards, bridges. Bombed at 45 degrees, to increase distance traveled over target. Especially over bridges, which are quite narrow, goal was not straddling bridge. And at least in Korea, for runways and rail yards, half of bomb load to explode immediately, remainder on delay, some up to a week. Single aircraft did do nighttime bed-check Charlie harassment once line of combat stabilized near current DMZ. Same with leaflet dropping. (One bonus of leaflet dropping - no flack.) Landing. Some pilots found the real thing difficult, others were better. Bombing higher. Besides the inevitable accuracy difficulties as you get higher bomb dispersal increases as elevation above target increases. As described to me ‘a few dented a fin on the way out of the bomb bay and wandered off. The rest dispersed at 6’ (left or right) per thousand feet of elevation above target.’ When they did bomb scores they wrote off the worst 10% of bomb load, and drew circle that encompassed the remaining 90%. The B-29 was not taken out of service in 1946. After the three B-29 wings, one from Tokyo, two at Kadena, in summer 1950, started their campaign, it was months before the MIG’s made a pass at them in formation. Look at the tonnage dropped by never as many as 100 ships dropped on Korea, and compare to the total tonnage dropped on Japan and on Europe by Bomber Command and the USAAF in years of war. I don’t know how well the numeric models replicate real life.
I have no idea why the 20mm cannon it historically had in the tail along with the two MGs was never modeled. It certainly wouldn't make much difference at the ridiculously overtiered BR this thing gets placed in
My advice for b29ers as a b29 consumer only play if your in a downteir in arcade and always when in rb I’m starting to get tired of herring repair cost. It’s actually vary good while death is usually inevitable in the end you can ideally make your money backi just side climb a little away from enemy bases for about 4-7 minuets keep climbing while headlining towards the bases come in at an angel to get 2 bases with hardly using your controller or mouse keep doing that and bam. Now about 1 in every 9 games your use ply killed by interceptors at the beginning. For bomb load carry 40 500 and drop 8 bombs per base so now you have some left over if you miss and boom that’s the secrete I’ve made bout 400k just doing that if you need more help just reply
Well usually all the time however if you side climb 90 degrees away from the bases and successfully drop all your bombs take the 40 500 8 bombs per base you can get away with 5k sl and 3-6k rp Evan without boosters but Evan than if you climb up instead of landing you might just run the clock however you may still lose sl if your on a loose string while in this try a different server or come back the next day also when you go in try going in from an angle whare you get two bases hardly turning helps see you in battle
I hate that yeah this may be the last strategic bomber in game but I'm optimistic, things like the b36, b47, and b52 could work and maybe b1 lancers, but you'd have to give them bomber spawns most likely (excluding the b1), other strategic bombers could work from other country's such as the tu16, tu22 and tu22m, tu95, and one day tu160 however unlikely it may be understandably, I'd love to hear feedback if you can on my idea tho, also, loved your vid on fixing bombers in war thunder man
As somebody who primarily does the dogfighting in matches, these bombers would be almost pointless to add. They'd be way too slow to get to the fight, they have no means to defend themselves due to having only rear guns (or no guns at all) , and that you'd be relying solely on other people to cover you the entire time. You'd be nothing but free points for the enemy team. Just got up to a decent altitude? Well an F14 or F4 just sniped you from BVR. Try to outrun me? Well the Mig23's can keep pace and still take you out from close or medium distance. It's just not worth adding them for practicality reasons.
@@Karter_Blackpaw yeah I understand that but (although this wouldn't help to much) maybe they could get lots of chaff and flares? At least the b52 and the other American planes as I know they mostly have those counter measures, I think it's more so that strategic bombing is one of my favorite things to do and I think it'd be nice to see more of it, with obvious tweaks to air rb, maybe make ot so there are larger maps for these bombers so they have a higher chance to reach target and be useful, idk but I do understand your point and appreciate the feedback
@@Karter_Blackpaw another thing to add is as someone who plays mostly 11.0 and 11.3 air rb no I do dogfighting as well, but it's gotten boring since the f14 as all I fight is myself
Based on the stats youtube shows me, I'm fairly convinced there are at least 3 or 4 people who just have some weird grudge against me and click dislike on ALL of my videos lol
Yeah I never intercepted this thing unless I was directly overhead. Had to boom and zoom from straight above or I'd get rekt by the sheer volume of freedom
This plane gets murdered by all the jet powered air craft it plays against at 7.3 BR. This plane needs to be a 6.3 because you will almost never reach the enemy bases because jet air craft can reach you so fast and easy.
Maybe whit bigger maps where u really need to do strategyc bombing. Wt in current days. is bad for this planes... just keep the B17. much better for the BR. or go down for the F-105.. I love the plane and can do some nasty moves even on simulator like loops. but. geez its really really slow
Other current fun 4 engi bombers are: F.222.2 - flying box fort with altitude and le bombs Me.264 - sports bomber G8N1 - few bombs, but many cannons to r**e interceptors with
This thing has been high tiered for too long. Needs to stay in with props to have a chance at all. Any time you're in a jet round you're lucky to make it close to a target.
Landing the B-29 sucks, trust be I landed on an aircraft carrier. But in general I think the B-29/Tu-4 should be the last of the heavy strategic bombers in War Thunder. Now I know that will upset lots of people who want the B-52, and for what to get intercepted and have no way to actively defend your self, as Tims Variety pointed out defensive gunners can be hard to use (unless someone tail sits you for 5 minutes), but if we consider what would game play look like, climb to space and pray you don't get intercepted and dragging a game out for eternity because your 100,000lbs bomb load was not enough to end the game (thrilling gameplay I know) Now comes my seriously unpopular opinion Gaijin should remove all bombing targets and P V E elements from air RB above where the B29/Tu-4 play (I know the B-57 and Vautour's exist but I hate those things). Why? Love it or hate it War Thunder is a PVP game, that what we sighed up for when we downloaded the game. I play air RB for the air to air combat and games are diluted with dumbasses base bombing in F-5C's because they are level 10, bought this thing and have no clue what their doing. The best way to describe what it is like trying to fly air RB and every game is full of people who can't be bothered learning how to fight other players (which is why things like the F-84B are at ridiculously low BR), it's like showing up to an orgy but half the people who showed up just wonna wank in the back corner because..... IDK. (I have heard SIM is even worse) Maybe this problem could be solved by adding a P V E made for planes or something. but any way you slice it the large, fat, unmemorable strategic bombers that rely on passive defences like flairs and ECM have no place in War Thunder And as a final not FUCK every Ju-288 into the ground
too bad its literally useless in the game now. You're always going against jets that can outrun and out shoot you and you're dead before you even get 1/3rd the way to an enemy base. At least in realistic. Arcades I'm not surprised since a lot of players are insanely dumb. I swear the b29 also gains speed in situations where its suppose to slow down. Just played a game where it was speeding up despite being a big fucking heavy plane. I couldn't land it because it kept jumping up and down making me take off, then slamming me into the ground with no control.
Rip this guys account is probably bankrupt
... this wasn't a cheap video to produce, I'll just leave it at that ...
@@TimsVariety Don't you get free GE and preminums from gaijin as a content creator? That probably helps offest the econmics of flying planes like the b29 or f4d.
@@blitzroyale348 Don't think Tim is a part of the content creator program, so he doesnt get those benefits. Doesn't mean he wont reach that one day though ;)
@@blitzroyale348 I am, and it does.
@@TimsVariety Remember, it could have been a hell of a lot worse! You did this video AFTER that repair cost patch like 6 or 8 patches ago. Its a LOT cheaper now than it was.
"legendary"
for its repair costs over the years.
The pinnacle of Gaijin's economy, true masterpiece
In a weird way, I kind of miss the repair cost apocalypse era. Planes really "meant" something at that time, and if you saw someone flying out something expensive, they were either just making too much money to care, or they were real good at what they flew.
That said... yeah, current repair costs are way healthier for the game. "Expensive" repair costs today are nothing like they were, even if they can still be pretty high.
@@TheAmazingCowpig
About 4 years ago, when I reached 5.7 ARB with Germany and spaded the Ta's those were over 40k *each* when spaded.
It encouraged skill, but now theyre sub-15k'ish..
theyre also now 6.0...
now it kinda doesnt matter if you get killed, but back then it sure as shit did.
its fixed, the b29 repair is only ~10k now. still a good bit but atleast not 70k
My grandfather was one of the belly gunners on this plane in 1945. I have some really neat pictures of him in Guam in front of his bomber.
The B-29 didn’t really have a belly gunner, although I assume this means he was assigned to operate the 2 lower turrets. Unlike the other US heavy bombers, your grandad luckily did not have to wedge himself into a rotating ball below the plane - he would be operating the 2 lower gun turrets remotely from the blister window about 2/3 of the way back on the side of the plane.
@@sidchicken2308 Exactly right, but those are the guns he controlled for certain. Still a risky job, nonetheless, and I wouldn't be here for either luck, or his crews prowess. Being a pretty good shot with a gun like my father, and his before him, I'd say he was probably pretty handy with those things. He had problems with drinking after the war unfortunately, so it is likely the latter, though he didn't talk about it at all.
@@bethelscrubs2549 I’m sorry to hear that - I know a lot of vets that don’t like to talk about it. War truly is hard on the human psyche. Nor was my intent to downplay the danger inherent in being aboard a WW2 bomber, even one as advanced as the B-29.
@@sidchicken2308 OH no man, I know you weren't. I was just admiring him and all of the other veterans. He was just slightly more comfortable compared to a B17 belly gunner, so no offense taken, but how comfortable can you be when Japanese planes are trying to cut the plane in half by ramming it in the fuselage 😳
If there is any silver lining to the B-29, it's the fact that you can use it in top rank naval mode (especially arcade) and doesn't have to pay a huge bill for it.
and then you can get completely demolished by robot AA controlling 5 inch guns with HE-VT
@@dustykh or missiles at like 4.7
Always wondered if Gaijin would add its state of the art targeting computer which was more of a defining feature than any bomb
How would it show in game?
@@WeGoToMars probably something like how the T-2 has radar aiming device.(I think) If they wanted to make it more realistic and skillfully then you would be able to control the intersection range of the guns.
Hopefully there would also be a proper aim lead for the guns.
@@WeGoToMars Simplest way is to add a target lead like ACM radars, convoluted way is to make it so your reticles dont have to account for parallax
All strategic bomber in game have something close to the Norden bombsight, making the balance way easier but indeed a bit unfair if you think of how massive the project was. The Norden was on par with the Manhattan project.
@@BeerSougion The norden bomb sight was a piece of garbage.
Thanks for making this video explaining that you can actually land it and don't have to space climb every game. So many players need to know that.
Roger That!
@@eotorpex2694 No!
@@r3tr0a82 Never!
ATTACK THE D POINT
@@tillerzeit Affirmative!
My god I wish bombers weren't so useless in War thunder so I can really enjoy masterpieces like B-29 and others
They’re not useless if you upgrade the hell out of your gunners and bomb bases. If you’re able to drop 2 sets of bombs and get a kill with your tail gunners, that’s more than most players will do with a fighter plane lol
You can use it to bomb bases in sim battles and get so much sl and rp
@@thegenerictanker6953 does that tactic still work cause i heard gaijin nerfed it some time back
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is Tim's first review where he mentions an aircraft being hard to land.
Hard, yes, tricky, no. ;-)
Imagine if it had better defensive armament. Oh wait… Tu-4
It doesn"t mean shit when jets are lightspeed and one shot you from very far away
These bombers are pretty useless... especially if it sees jets... now in my opinion... TU-95 Bear would be 8.0 material
Not this B-29
@@kajmak64bit76 Don't forget they see you from several kilometers away without even spotting your dot's silhouette because a lot of jets in the br. have pretty good radars.
They are a huge target at high altitudes and the same at low altitudes, very overtiered plane that isn't even useful for stealth bombing.
I take it out every 13 days and if my team is losing i could as well just rip my wings.
It can be used to blitz through bases and gunship early on though hoping no one has AAM-s and that can be fun-just not with the repair costs it has.
@@kajmak64bit76 i still don't understand how slow big heavy bombers are at 8.0 ... , like,there should be a limit for them, maybe 7.0 or even 7.3, it's just ridiculous
@@stevenortiz9008 tu4 payload nd defensive turret is too good for 7.7 or 7.3 br
people keep saying that but there is a reason for his repair cost be 15k
Bro I just got the b-29 and played my first game with it. First off, absolutely love it. It handles really well for how big it is and it is surprisingly fast. Starts with 20 x 500 pound bombs which is no joke. My first game with it my team had 3 b-29s, and we destroyed the airfield without even having to land. Ridiculously good. Not one enemy even got up to our level. I don’t know if it was because they just ignored us or because they physically couldn’t get up to 18k Ft but we absolutely destroyed them. It was so cool flying back in formation with the 2 random b29s and watching that meter tick down in our favor. Love it
In 60 games with the b29 I have never gotten a destroy airfield mission
It’s nice to see they’ve implemented the alternating bay bomb drop as it had IRL. This was to keep the center of gravity balanced during bomb runs. The 2 bays are positioned fore and aft of the wings.
I was thinking of a way to introduce the b29 Targeting computer into the game and the way they do it is to use the lead calculator in arcade in realistic because that’s what it essentially did in Real life and it would give the B 29 a fighting chance against jets because it wasn’t designed versus jets tell me what you think
I would love there to be Win-Win scenarios (bombers bomb fighters fight) maps so that we can all enjoy Bomber/Early jet gameplay without the SL costs
It's pretty much already that.
Bombers don't affect the gameplay in RB. (most matches)
Still you get jerks going out of their way to kill you because 'dUh, bOmberS bAd!4', or because they just aren't skilled enough to fight planes that can actually effectively fight back at that br..
Mission times have been reduced to the point it's basically just Arcade with better rewards and we still have people crying about bombers extending the length of matches because they don't want to get killed by some lame airfield camper when killing about 5 ground targets can end a game at that point. :D (sometimes i get wins when i use a bomber because some people don't seem to realize that)
One thing i could add as an advice is only spawn in a bomber if the map is big enough, go either low altitude or really high altitude to improve your chances for safety (some planes have radars if you're using the Tu4, some don't)and stealth bomb.
If you're talking about something like heli PvE, i could see that would be relaxing
@@gabork5055 - "we still have people crying about bombers extending the length of matches"
Ugh climbing to space and running away from everyone in your shitty bomber is the lamest way to "win" a game, if you can even call something so passive and stupid "winning".
I've recommended this multiple times but I'll do it again and keep doing it until Gaijin notices.
They need to create a new "Strategic Bomber" mode where players are matched up with maybe 75-80% bombers and the rest fighters, whihc can take the role of escorts or interceptors. Rather than just three targets they should have literally dozens on each side. Fighters should rearm and refuel as normal but after refueling and rearming bombers should once again get an air spawn.
The match should then come down to either who can shoot down enough bombers or who can bomb enough targets, with the bombing role being more important. Bombers would have to think whether they will try to bomb as fast as possible or wait until enough friendly bombers and or escorts have showed up to help them get to the targets, fighters will have to think whether they should focus on escorting bombers or knocking out enemy bombers.
Please Gaijin make this happen !
You would probably need to give either all the fighters airspawn or make maps quite literally the size of France or Germany for that to work and maybe do an in air rearm like Enlisted where you have to fly to a point in the sky to rearm and repair
you can replace your entire comment with "add RB EC". everyone wants EC. gaijilla when?
as much as I want something better for bombers, an escort style battle in the current game would probably just devolve into most fighter players ignoring everything but the enemy bombers, and people spamming things with big cannons that can oneshot the bombers with sniping shots instead of actually getting in range of the gunners.
To actually make it work Gaijin would have to come up with a reliable system for giving credit to defensive/escort roles without it being abuse-able by people clicking battle at the same time in different nations then f-ing off into a corner to circle-jerk for infinite points. I don't think Gaijin would ever spend time on that when they can just keep pumping out $60 premiums of famous vehicles until they hit true modern era.
@@malcolmmorris3947 So you're saying that fighter players would spam aircraft with huge climb rates, low maneuverability and massive armament, like say an interceptor. Wow, I hadn't thought of that...
@@rags417 Yes never could have realized that myself. it's not that it's the historically correct role, in this video game bombers have most of the disadvantages that existed IRL but fighter/interceptors largely ignore their own because safely, risk to the aircraft, and intended use don't really exist; a massive advantage on top of already being in a far superior platform. When bombers try to ignore those things it's just suicide diving.
why bother trying to protect or dogfight when you could just kill xp pinatas. intended gameplay goes out the window for most efficient grind.
9:40 you can use MEC to use your engines as airbrakes.
What's MEC ?
@@princessapplestrach6327 manual engine control.
Let's you control propellor pitch, cooling flaps, every engine individually, etc
Especially for damage or those cases it is extremely helpful.
@@emmata98 oh okay I can't really use it since I'm on PS4
@@princessapplestrach6327 you can use a keyboard on a ps4
@@emmata98 i know but it's tricky with my current set up
should be 3.0 tbh
Lmao fuck no
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE we need the B-36
The funniest thing is this thing is so screwed by Gaijin. It had ballistic computers with the guns, with an effective engagement range of *900 meters* on single engine fighters. In WT with aced crews you're lucky to hit anything at 50 meters. On top of that, it's gun rotation is about 3× as fast as it is in WT. And finally, the B-29 was phased out of frontline service starting in 1946 with the advent of the B-36 Peacemaker. Yet in WT it fights jets with heatseekers its entirely helpless against. It's a free kill for any fighter, even in a downtier. It's really sad Gaijin neutered it and made it unplayable, even if it's less expensive than it was. IMHO bombers should be the cheapest since they're the easiest to kill and have the hardest time staying alive
When you land the B 29 turn off your middle to engines and use the outer 2
You still drop but it gives you enough power just to sort of glide and do a perfect landing and landing gear as airbrakes before you even think about putting your flaps down because the gear has a much higher tolerance
If you want to fly this thing just take it out into sim. It’s far more enjoyable and survivable. You can spend all day at altitude with your massive bomb load with plenty of room to climb and descend safely
Even with the reduced repair cost I don’t play it. Slow bombers against jets doesn’t work out good
This plane had a very serious design/engineering problem with its engine nacelles. These could be opened to assist with over heating, but some cases where they were opened but could not close caused crashes from the stall induced by the extra drag.
In thinking about that, perhaps modelling the nacelles could be done so that in either hard climbing (to help cooling) - or in the decent into a landing - these could provide a form of air brake/additional drag.
Finally someone made this
“If you think I’ve got some altitude, *you don’t; get some more* “
😂
Putting random numbers on aircraft isnt usual to me but please believe when I say that when I bought the B 29 I also put the 5 randomly tho not intented.
Somebody asked in one of my FAQs last year, but the significance of the 5 on all my aircraft is that when I was taking flying lessons, the plane I solo'ed in was #5 in the fleet.
Very nice review, and what a lovely voice, Earned a sub!
and there are over 100 more to binge!!
I stopped playing WT once I realized I had to worry about AA missiles, jets, and SAM sites in this thing.
Too bad the b 29 explodes with one stray bullet
In American bombers I like to slow down to flap speed, close the throttles, drop flaps to keep my speed right on the number, and just drop like a rock to descend. Havent tried it too much on the B-29 bc of "economical" reasons but it works fantastic on the B-24 and the B-17
Awesome! Hope to see more bombers in the future!
B29 in reality: Amazing and deadly.
B29 in warthunder: Made out of paper mache and free target practice for everybody else.
Did they nerf it? It used to be an unstoppable gunship
@@FLMKane Bombers stopped being powerful many years ago. They're a shell of what they used to be. And what Tim's was saying in this video, a maxed out gunner crew is almost useless as they either refuse to open fire or they have Stormtrooper aim that can't hit shit.
You can kinda make it slow down more in manual engine controls and setting the prop pitch to the max
next do the Tu-4
Wonder if this year's (2024 for future readers) changes to BRs for attackers and bombers in air modes will make it at all viable in ARB.
Have you played it much with the new fire extinguishing mechanics? Wondering if it makes much a difference.
If you're on fire, an enemy aircraft has guns on you. You're unlikely to survive long enough for the extinguisher to matter.
Very useful, like if enemy fighter you shot down managed to put you on fire, unfortunately you can only use it once unlike 2 in tanks
The tu4 is more competitiv at its br then the b29 because of the 1500fabs and 23mm turets with the HE belts,50cals suck against jets ,rarely maybe a pilot snipe.
I'd argue against it because of the BR of the TU-4.
Being at 8.0 means it will, almost guaranteed, get pulled into a 9.0 full uptier. Most of your deaths will therefore occur almost immediately after the start of the match to either an afterburning jet or a guided missile you have no way of avoiding. The B-29 meanwhile actually benefits from being pulled into early jet matches that will fail at matching it's altitude, while on a downtier it would face superprops that would actually find it easier to take it down.
@@mobiuscoreindustries True
@@mobiuscoreindustries i just spaded Tu-4 and quite opposite happen
You see, you'll often play along with other bomber like Il-28 or attacker like F-84F from other nation
These guys very often diving straight to the base and thus flying at high speed and low altitude
The result was majority of the enemy fighter are got baited by these folks, leaving you pretty much safe at high altitude since you are very slow compared to them, even better if you side climb instead head straight to where they're coming from
Also you'll be always stuck at around 8.3-8.7 because the high population of US A-4, F-84 and F-86, Soviet MiG-15 and 17 (they're the best here) german G.91, french MD and of course british cancer vixen and their afterburner Swift and Javelin
More importantly soviet are actually got preferred matchmaking by putting soviet along with europe nation against US alone, your own team will consist mostly of premium jets like german G91 R4 and british vixen and a very common premium on your nation the MiG-17AS that will absolutely curbstomp US jet like Sabre, Skyhawk and Cougar at that br (i know some of them got missile, but they usually wasted on other bomber or got clapped by your team, also from my experience by the time they tried to intercept you they pretty much already out of missile as you know you fly so high that they didn't know if the opponent team had Tu-4 or not since they usually fight at low, thus got no missile to spare)
i had a hard time spading US A-4E before Tu-4 (for event), almost feels like the match are rigged, it so bad that i got US (my team) against US with all nation! And they even got Harrier as their top br while the rest of us mainly Sabre and Skyhawk! It was a slaughter...
The B 29 needs to be down tiered
Ah, i remember when u could just win games with B-29, destroy all the bases, go for airfield, kill some planes on the way. Got talisman on it back in the day and researched all the way to jets.
The only way to play the B-29 profitably is to climb to just avoid the enemies until you reach a high altitude where they aren't as fast and agile.
Hunted a couple of these with the me262 armed with the 50mm
Back in the day when I played the b29 before jets I would just take 30 minutes to climb to 30,000ft and hit the base with big bombs. If someone attempted to climb to get me my maxed out gunners helped pretty good 😆
To me the B-29 can be described to the common man as that custom made item
Good to show off when the risk is low and you want to impress, eye candy, and beautiful.
But when used for practical purposes you might as well sacrifice your offspring.
Tip for playing the b-29: *DON'T*
Unless you squad up with fighter escorts, the 7.0BR pairs you with very capable fighters that can easily shoot you down.
3:40 giga chad 262
would love to see you do a review on either the wyvern or a2d-1
Man is using the B-29 in arcade and GRB
Tim when are you planning to do a review on the British meteors?
The B-29 doesn't cost much repair cost as it's used to which is great, there are starter jets that have more expansive repair cost than the B-29. so the meme of B-29 breaking your SL wallet doesn't hold on anymore
The only time you should be taking out a B-29 in Ground RB is once you get 2500 spawn points. ;)
Also, at least it's not 2019 anymore with that 50k repair cost.
In World of Warships, we have a term for beautiful but impractical ships. Port Queens. Don't get me wrong, I love my Port Queens. One of my favorite ships is the Mikasa battleship. But she is a close range secondary monster and useless against any battleship optimized for long range fire.
I feel that saying that the B-29 made every other bomber instantly obsolete is seriously hyperbolic.
We can get the b52 b1 and f117
Saw one of these at 11.0 recently, only kinda sad I put an r-60 in his tail
Just got it thanks for this really appreciate it
Kinda prefer the G8N1 at least back in the good old days
the 40x load is most efficient for base destruction in RB and Arcade, never ever use the 18x1ks, you can kill 3 bases from full with 36x 500s, iirc. Been a while for me.
make tu 4 next
👍 I love ❤ bombers; each and every one of them! 😎
my trick for landing the B-29 is to do what the space shuttle does. you gotta do these giant, lazy "S"s in the sky to throw your speed off to the left and right of the aircraft. after all, like the space shuttle, you probably are descending from orbit. lol
How many Kg TNT do I need to kill a base one the Battleraitings 7.3 and 8.3 ?
I mean, at least it looks good?
RUclips doing RUclips things. I just got this, despite being subbed with the bell.
I got the B-29 when it first came out, and it was really good. Not overpowered though, yeah you could do alot of Bombing, but you couldn't defend yourself very well, and if enemies climbed they would get you. Gaijin jumping the repair cost just killed it for me, as well as being 7.0 just makes it an RP pinata. There is no reason to fly it, unless you want to spend SL.
Not over powered. Certainly not. At full combat load out it wouldn’t fly on three engines at low altitude. Lose an engine on take off below 500’ agl, and everyone is lost. Not enough time for bombardier to get bomb bay open and salvo bomb load. From Kadena in 1950, to the Yalu bridges you burned 2/3’s of your fuel northbound, one third south. Strategic bombing with one aircraft? I don’t know about the highly successful mine drops in the campaign against Japan. Otherwise except for two very well known missions strategic missions were always done in formation, even at night. Even fire bombing of Pyongyang was done in formation. Runways, rail yards, bridges. Bombed at 45 degrees, to increase distance traveled over target. Especially over bridges, which are quite narrow, goal was not straddling bridge. And at least in Korea, for runways and rail yards, half of bomb load to explode immediately, remainder on delay, some up to a week. Single aircraft did do nighttime bed-check Charlie harassment once line of combat stabilized near current DMZ. Same with leaflet dropping. (One bonus of leaflet dropping - no flack.) Landing. Some pilots found the real thing difficult, others were better. Bombing higher. Besides the inevitable accuracy difficulties as you get higher bomb dispersal increases as elevation above target increases. As described to me ‘a few dented a fin on the way out of the bomb bay and wandered off. The rest dispersed at 6’ (left or right) per thousand feet of elevation above target.’ When they did bomb scores they wrote off the worst 10% of bomb load, and drew circle that encompassed the remaining 90%.
The B-29 was not taken out of service in 1946. After the three B-29 wings, one from Tokyo, two at Kadena, in summer 1950, started their campaign, it was months before the MIG’s made a pass at them in formation. Look at the tonnage dropped by never as many as 100 ships dropped on Korea, and compare to the total tonnage dropped on Japan and on Europe by Bomber Command and the USAAF in years of war.
I don’t know how well the numeric models replicate real life.
I have no idea why the 20mm cannon it historically had in the tail along with the two MGs was never modeled. It certainly wouldn't make much difference at the ridiculously overtiered BR this thing gets placed in
Crews in Saipan disliked the 20mm for twin 50 cals which they replaced it with I think maybe thats why it isnt modelled
@@byson8628 It should have both, the twin 50s and the 20mm. As far as I know this is how it came off the production lines and how most were flown.
Bomb load don’t really matter when you are matched against F-84s in a prop bomber
Imo the B-29 is only worth to fly in Sim. It just need its time and in RB you don't have it.
My advice for b29ers as a b29 consumer only play if your in a downteir in arcade and always when in rb I’m starting to get tired of herring repair cost. It’s actually vary good while death is usually inevitable in the end you can ideally make your money backi just side climb a little away from enemy bases for about 4-7 minuets keep climbing while headlining towards the bases come in at an angel to get 2 bases with hardly using your controller or mouse keep doing that and bam. Now about 1 in every 9 games your use ply killed by interceptors at the beginning. For bomb load carry 40 500 and drop 8 bombs per base so now you have some left over if you miss and boom that’s the secrete I’ve made bout 400k just doing that if you need more help just reply
How often do you get intercepted? That's been my experience so far in air RB
Well usually all the time however if you side climb 90 degrees away from the bases and successfully drop all your bombs take the 40 500 8 bombs per base you can get away with 5k sl and 3-6k rp Evan without boosters but Evan than if you climb up instead of landing you might just run the clock however you may still lose sl if your on a loose string while in this try a different server or come back the next day also when you go in try going in from an angle whare you get two bases hardly turning helps see you in battle
@Santiago M. If you can get good score consistently then go for it, I only talisman vehicles I enjoy playing
I hate that yeah this may be the last strategic bomber in game but I'm optimistic, things like the b36, b47, and b52 could work and maybe b1 lancers, but you'd have to give them bomber spawns most likely (excluding the b1), other strategic bombers could work from other country's such as the tu16, tu22 and tu22m, tu95, and one day tu160 however unlikely it may be understandably, I'd love to hear feedback if you can on my idea tho, also, loved your vid on fixing bombers in war thunder man
As somebody who primarily does the dogfighting in matches, these bombers would be almost pointless to add. They'd be way too slow to get to the fight, they have no means to defend themselves due to having only rear guns (or no guns at all) , and that you'd be relying solely on other people to cover you the entire time. You'd be nothing but free points for the enemy team. Just got up to a decent altitude? Well an F14 or F4 just sniped you from BVR. Try to outrun me? Well the Mig23's can keep pace and still take you out from close or medium distance. It's just not worth adding them for practicality reasons.
@@Karter_Blackpaw yeah I understand that but (although this wouldn't help to much) maybe they could get lots of chaff and flares? At least the b52 and the other American planes as I know they mostly have those counter measures, I think it's more so that strategic bombing is one of my favorite things to do and I think it'd be nice to see more of it, with obvious tweaks to air rb, maybe make ot so there are larger maps for these bombers so they have a higher chance to reach target and be useful, idk but I do understand your point and appreciate the feedback
@@Karter_Blackpaw another thing to add is as someone who plays mostly 11.0 and 11.3 air rb no I do dogfighting as well, but it's gotten boring since the f14 as all I fight is myself
I wonder how it is in sim
Bro those 6 dislikers
Based on the stats youtube shows me, I'm fairly convinced there are at least 3 or 4 people who just have some weird grudge against me and click dislike on ALL of my videos lol
Would you happen to be a kelly? Because i noticed your using our crest
Skip these and spaded Tu-4 instead, its worth it absolute fun with 23mm instead peashooter 50cal
It has actualy blind spot, if you aim directly like 90°-85° down underneath you
Yeah I never intercepted this thing unless I was directly overhead.
Had to boom and zoom from straight above or I'd get rekt by the sheer volume of freedom
This plane gets murdered by all the jet powered air craft it plays against at 7.3 BR. This plane needs to be a 6.3 because you will almost never reach the enemy bases because jet air craft can reach you so fast and easy.
Its fun when u can bomb otherwise expect bankruptcy lol needs a buff in my opinion, bf 109 saw it in half wayyy to easily
They should add the B52 Stratofortress
Maybe whit bigger maps where u really need to do strategyc bombing.
Wt in current days. is bad for this planes... just keep the B17. much better for the BR. or go down for the F-105..
I love the plane and can do some nasty moves even on simulator like loops. but. geez its really really slow
My great grandfather was on the first b29 to fly over both Hiroshima and Nagasaki post nuclear bombings
Cap
The B-29 is to uptier, have used it multiple times and i cant even reach my target
I thought you had to use that little secondary reticle to determine where your bombs are landing, not the centre of the screen?
Gaijin B-36 when
This bomber way to hig on br most time it be facings jets so it be relly bad for air rb I had horrible experience spading this thing
surprised the USAAF didn’t classify this thing as an OH LAWD HE COMIN like the red air force did
I lost SL just by watching this.
imma be honest the b29 and tu4s need to be lowered in br, going against radar spaa sucks
Other current fun 4 engi bombers are:
F.222.2 - flying box fort with altitude and le bombs
Me.264 - sports bomber
G8N1 - few bombs, but many cannons to r**e interceptors with
ITs a shame it gets killed by my KI200
Epic, pin up girl art must be plastered on it
This thing has been high tiered for too long. Needs to stay in with props to have a chance at all. Any time you're in a jet round you're lucky to make it close to a target.
So op
Landing the B-29 sucks, trust be I landed on an aircraft carrier.
But in general I think the B-29/Tu-4 should be the last of the heavy strategic bombers in War Thunder. Now I know that will upset lots of people who want the B-52, and for what to get intercepted and have no way to actively defend your self, as Tims Variety pointed out defensive gunners can be hard to use (unless someone tail sits you for 5 minutes), but if we consider what would game play look like, climb to space and pray you don't get intercepted and dragging a game out for eternity because your 100,000lbs bomb load was not enough to end the game (thrilling gameplay I know)
Now comes my seriously unpopular opinion Gaijin should remove all bombing targets and P V E elements from air RB above where the B29/Tu-4 play (I know the B-57 and Vautour's exist but I hate those things). Why? Love it or hate it War Thunder is a PVP game, that what we sighed up for when we downloaded the game. I play air RB for the air to air combat and games are diluted with dumbasses base bombing in F-5C's because they are level 10, bought this thing and have no clue what their doing.
The best way to describe what it is like trying to fly air RB and every game is full of people who can't be bothered learning how to fight other players (which is why things like the F-84B are at ridiculously low BR), it's like showing up to an orgy but half the people who showed up just wonna wank in the back corner because..... IDK. (I have heard SIM is even worse)
Maybe this problem could be solved by adding a P V E made for planes or something. but any way you slice it the large, fat, unmemorable strategic bombers that rely on passive defences like flairs and ECM have no place in War Thunder
And as a final not FUCK every Ju-288 into the ground
Ju 288 is a fucking pain in the ass they shit me to tears
God save America
too bad its literally useless in the game now. You're always going against jets that can outrun and out shoot you and you're dead before you even get 1/3rd the way to an enemy base. At least in realistic. Arcades I'm not surprised since a lot of players are insanely dumb. I swear the b29 also gains speed in situations where its suppose to slow down. Just played a game where it was speeding up despite being a big fucking heavy plane. I couldn't land it because it kept jumping up and down making me take off, then slamming me into the ground with no control.
hehe
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