PHRYGIAN VS PHRYGIAN DOMINANT
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2023
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I never understood these modes, because nobody showed me a damn neck diagram with the scale on it.
While you were talking, I found a few diagrams online and immediately recognized both scales. Those were the very first scales I memorized 20 years ago, after jumping right into 2000s metal.
Hey, man! A lot of the metal in the 2000s used the phrygian dominant mode - I kind of deliberately avoid showing neck diagrams, because I find it a tad distracting from the purpose of listening to the notes that make up the mode. The visual factor helps a lot, I totally agree, but it's like a sort of a double edged sword... It's easy to get tangled in just watching and forgetting to maintain the focus on the listening as well. Happy to hear you reconnected with the mode!
@@CosminLupuMMGG Diagrams make learning guitar much more approachable.
I know some music speak, but I'm not fluent enough with it to find notes and figure out intervals on the fly. If you give me a list of notes, as in this video, it tells me very little at first.
If you show me a diagram at the same time, I can immediately recognize the shape and intervals, making comparisons to similar scales I already know.
Next time you put up a scale as text, consider putting a diagram next to it. Just has to be in 1 or 2 positions. Makes it easier to follow for a few of us.
Also, we can just look at the diagram, pick up the guitar and try the scale immediately.
@@fonesrphunny7242 I hear you and I will do it, if it helps and I'm sure there are others that will find it useful! Thanks for the input - it helps tremendously to know what you folks need and find useful so that I may put it up here!
As a huge fan of prog & flamenco these are probably my 2 favorite modes.
Sir, I believe you are now ready for double harmonic major.
I like phrygian dominant plus major 7 note (like harmonic minor), so there would be 2 minor third intervals in the scale, create even more tension, sound even more sick!
The experience that comes from meeting something you don't know for the first time and that feeling of alienation is Rare (cause you can't unseen) and undervalued.
Hey there! Are you referring to these modes in particular?
This solo rocks. It reminds me of Marty Friedman and Yngwie Malmsteen.
Thanks for the kind thoughts, man! I’m honoured!
Scorpions - Sails of Sharon
You can instantly hear that mysterious middle-eastern sound! Amazing!
Yep, it's the go to tool for that sort of sound!
I think the Phrygian has a nuanced sound, whereas the Phrygian Dominant sounds a little more bold.
I don't really think one sounds better than the other.
I do agree - it's a matter of highlighting differences and understanding what one wants to use and why. Thank you for the thought!
Top tunes: good playing and composing.
Thank you!
Great overview 👍
I have a question. Have you tried phrygian dominant while borrowing flat fifth and sharp seventh? does this have any name?
I usually think about it as 1 b2 3 4 are the core notes of it. 5 and 7 can move closer the the core to create a new flavor.
sorry my music theory is really flaky. it's hard for me to explain it clearly 😅
Never tried this one, but I ll definitely give it a spin in the morning when I grab the 🎸 There are so many modes out there and so little time 😅
Persian Scale
Nice chops and helpfully communicated. To my ears, Phryg sounds 'Western classical' and PhrygDom sounds 'eastern'. And in terms of feel it's kinda like 'moody' vs 'otherwordly'. I'm a huge fan and explorer of the modes of the harmonic minor and always come back to PhrygDom for its consistency of inspiration
Thank you for your input, @WolfgangRP ! Also, glad you liked it! I'm a bit on the outside in respect to the other modes of the harmonic minor and the melodic minor, as well, for the mere fact that I haven't yet used them extensively, so I am looking forward to making some time to explore and experiment! Rock n roll!
@@CosminLupuMMGG Yeah since I started composing a couple of years back I purposefully avoid Aeolian and Ionian and looked at the more obscure scales for inspiration. Current faves are Messaien 3 and Bebop Dominant. Look forward to seeing your takes on those
Another way to find / see the derivatives tonalities:
For the Phrygian, we shall know it's the third mode (so E Phrygian relates to C major). So if you're in D Phrygian (so D is one step below E), it's going to relate to C down a step, so Bb.
For the Phrygian dominant, if we just keep in mind that it is related to the minor harmonic scale, then we get G minor being the relative minor scale of Bb for which we have taken the harmonic version.
So D Phrygian relates to Bb, but also to Gm and so D dominant Phrygian relates to Gm as well but in its harmonic version.
They are both related to Gm.
Thanks for the analysis! I usually like to use the derivative approach for understanding modal chord progressions and the parallel approach in respect to becoming able to discriminate between the sound of each mode. I have met a lot of people who use the derivative approach in all that regards modes and tend to want to relate to any mode as it is its mother scale which does not help in understanding those differences one bit. Still, I think it's an exploratory endeavour and being able to listen and tell the differences by picking up on the sounds of each mode is the way to go. Keep rocking!!
I made it to 5 mins... and then my brain turned to wax.
I'm trying to figure out which is harder: getting a PhD in Physics, Medical School, or Music Theory?
I'm thinking it's probably Music Theory.
Hey there and thanks for relaying your thoughts, man! Please let me know what exactly in this video made you think like this - I want to help out if I can
@@CosminLupuMMGG I appreciate you. Your video is fine. The problem is ME. I just have to learn at my own pace. Which is very slow.
Thank you for your kind thoughts, man. As long as you are moving forward with your learning, that’s all that matters. If there’s any topic that might help you, let me know and maybe I can make a video explaining it :) All the best on your journey!
@@CosminLupuMMGG Thank you. Best wishes to you as well.
wow e dublat.... top!
Multumesc! Mi se pare important sa fac continutul si in romana - rezonam diferit cu limba materna :)
Cosmin is only an insane guitarist, educator, martial artist and polyglot? He needs to work on more skills!! Just kidding he is insanely talented. OMG. Glad I found this channel. Super helpful. I can’t wait to learn Phrygian dominant in Japanese.
Haha, thanks for you kind thoughts, man! 日本のフリギアモード :D :D :D
Metallica - Wherever I May Roam.
Indeed!
Could call that song being in phrygian dominant. It uses every note on the guitar
The bridge maybe could be called double harmonic? The main riff is definitely Phrygian but the bridge used the major third and the major 7th. The verse also uses a flat 5th like essentially every Metallica song lol. Ultimately it ends up using every single note lol.
@@ryangreene50 I should've been more specific and restricted the discussion to the main riff :D
Strat-egies. Good guitar pun.
Haha! I love this! I haven't thought of it :D Thank you!
Esti roman?
Salutare, da! 😊
Phrygian is the sexiest most well spoken mode. Phrygian dominant has only-child energy. Lol
Haha! I never looked at it like that - thanks for the perspective, man!
video length 13:12? BASED
Hey buddy, I'm afraid I don't understand the question - can you please be more specific? Thank you!
@@CosminLupuMMGGhe's jokingly praising the video's duration. I don't actually get the joke though, maybe he's saying it's a reference to a prog time signature (13/12)
@@bigspice4419 hahaha, thanks! I haven't thought of it like that, especially since time signatures are usually written by having common denominators of 2 ex: /2 /4 /8 /16 . I've just researched though and found out about irrational time signatures which might be something in the lines of the example above :)) One learns every day!
Laughs in Byzantine scale
I'll actually try that today :)))))))))))))))
@@CosminLupuMMGG I guess by your name you're Romanian, so you probably are familiar with it, phrygian it for the americans :p we have something similar but better over here in the "east". Greetings from greece
More playing less talking 😉
phryg dom? it's just harmonic minor for the key 4 notes above the "root". iow, what you played starting on D was just G harmonic minor notes. Kind of simplifies it for me to not memorize so many different labels. Just know WHERE to position these things. Just call it harmonic minor mode 5. ie, you start the harmonic minor scale on the 5th note of the minor key. anyway... a rose by any other name...
Thanks for the input! The thing is that while you are indeed using the same bunch of notes like the ones in the harmonic minor, which is the parent scale of the phrygian dominant, all those notes answer to a different tonal center and thus, other possibilities are born. That's why modes actually exist, otherwise we'd just stick to the major scale, the harmonic minor and the melodic minor, completely neglecting the other 18 modes that are born out of these 3 parent scales. It's a matter of perspective and possibilities, even though, technically you are right :D My two cents: As long as we have access to the tools to explore and develop what we create as far as we can, why not use them?
@@CosminLupuMMGG Yes, you can argue that it's important to memorize the same shapes as something new. I just prefer to understand that A harmonic minor is just harmonic minor in one particular position of the 12 possible spots and same for the other keys. Like, if someone said hey, let's jam in E lydian. I don't really need to memorize what lydian is so much as understand where to shift my major scale so I AM playing lydian. Then part 2 of this would be to understand that we are implying a tonal root of E yet playing the notes of B major. So, you can play in B major with an EAR for the chords that are going to be happening and not feel like oh, I'm playing a NEW scale or mode. Same intervals, then no need to rename it is all I'm saying. ? if the structure is different from major scale, then yeah, you have a new scale and 7 modes of it. So, I guess the end result might be the same or not. I would just know that I can play in a major key for any of the standard modes IF I position myself to that spot. Good thing I'm only doing music for myself! hahaha No need to write it down or try to communicate anything to anyone else. Thanks and good luck with everything!!!
@@TruthSurge Whatever gets the job done, as I like to say :D Each person has their own subjective experience in respect to anything in this world - our own inner map of reality. The way we choose to augment it and expand it in the time given to us in this life is a constant choice. I like to share my map and if you guys find it useful, it only makes me happy! Thank you for your thoughts and enjoy the music!!!!
@@CosminLupuMMGG thx! Have a good one and thanks for your info.
avoid this stupid mode, after one minute it'll give you a headache
Hey there - what's exactly bothering you about which of the two modes? How can I help?
I think it's a really useful mode. especially if you want to mimic an eastern sound. I don't think there's any other option in a 12 note system.
@@oyorabyzantine/double harmonic major, harmonic major (major with b6) and hungarian minor would work too.
@@oyora Thank you! I agree - it s very popular in that sense
@@nates2 Thanks, man! What’s the parent scale for this one?