I have to say... given the times this was filmed in... and the struggles of people of color... back when people freaked out if a black and white person were shown to even touch each other on TV...the fact that Lena was shown so much warmth and affection... and both Dorothy and Arlene kissed and hugged her... made me very emotional.
I was IN LOVE with Lena Horne as a child, an adolescent, an adult, and even her memory now as an old codger. I _loved_ that infectious smile, vivacious personality, supreme talent, and stellar character. She was drop-dead GORGEOUS in my estimation.
Lena Horne moves so fast with everything she does. My word, she writes fast, sits down fast and was away from the desk and out the door in seconds. LOL. She must have been one hell of a dancer, Dang.
Man, what a star Ms. Horne was. Before my time, but I remember her appearance on Sanford and Son (touching and funny). And on "60 Mintues" in which she said a singer like herself could only be happy being married to a musician.
The judges reminded me of the time one of the guests was an attorney. Someone asked if he or she passed the bar. Arlene said, "well, haven't we all?" The guest panelist replied, "Some of us haven't."
Ever notice no matter on how bad the weather was back then, that all the ladies still wore dresses, all the time I been watching these shows, I never had seen a lady wearing pants.
Women didn't wear pants on television back then. There was a big controversy over this on the Dick Van Dyke Show, which debuted in 1960, because Mary Tyler Moore wore sexy capri pants and it was still considered unacceptable. They actually had to negotiate with the network/sponsors to reach an agreement where she was allowed to wear the pants, but only in one scene per show!
What's My Line? -- Of course, my mother and all her friends who were stay-at-home moms (I turned 8 years old in 1960) were wearing Capri pants by then and had been for some time. It was just not a big deal. I think part of the controversy was that the hide-bound TV censors thought that women should not be shown wearing pants because pants were for men. I never saw any of the women in our neighborhood dressed like June Cleaver in a fitted dress you couldn't reasonably do any housework in, wearing a string of pearls to go with it, unless they were going out somewhere for a social engagement or out to dinner.
Yes that is true about MLK, but in the early '50's, Lucille Ball, as well as Vivian Vance often wore "slacks" and even blue jean on I Love Lucy. Guess when you own your show you had more say lol.
I recently saw on TCM a 1942 film called Cabin in the Sky. An all-black cast musical which was very charming and entertaining. Ms. Horne was very young and cast as Ms. Georgia Brown opposite Ms. Ethel Waters. She was so beautiful and sang so wonderfully!!!! Ms. Waters was enchanting. waters
I've said this different times, but it's nice to see that there were people back in the 50's who weren't racists. Lena Horne kissed both girls and they didn't mind
Well, I may burst some bubbles here . . . Ms. Horne was extremely fair complected & did not have African features but more prominent European features, undoubtedly some European dipped his banana into some chocolate back in Ms. Horne's lineage, so her looking less African & more European cld lend to Caucasians in the US to more easily accepting Ms. Horne, for a moment until they came to their senses & remembered she has AFRICAN blood running thru her veins. But, there are a few caucasian ppl that truly aren't racist, I guess. 🤷🏾♀️
John's quip at 11:53 about bathtubs, "What do you want him to do, move it to Times Square?" has to be one of the funniest ad libs that John ever allowed himself to make. As a professional news broadcaster, it appears that he tried to maintain much of that dignity amid the informal setting of this panel show most of the time. This and other off-the-cuff funny lines give us a hint of how quick-witted he must have been in private life when not constrained by his public image as a newsman.
The panel guessed the occupations of the first guests, the judges, very quickly, leaving time for some conversation, but no, they were wisked away without discovering their relationship to each other or how all three came to be judges. I would like to have heard more from them.
I think Arlene and Dorothy were always sharp, better than the men. Classy, prepossessed, very bright. It's hard to fathom Arlene killed two people through negligence, and Dorothy offed herself with a barbituate-martini combination.
Lena Horne was a truly brilliant entertainer, singer and actress. I saw her on a Perry Como TV show and she was simply delightful. I wish she had appeared in more films as she was a tremendous talent!
So did she. In one of the "That's Entertainment" movies, she complains fairly bitterly that she did not get chosen for the lead in "Show Boat," which went to Ava Gardner, even though the character is supposed to be mixed race and that fact is important to the plot. She said MGM was quite racist back in the day, and there is quite a bit to support that belief from the way the films were presented. For example, black performers appeared as "novelty" acts that were separate from the story and theater owners in some areas could and did cut those scenes if they desired. And I regret that various MGM performers appeared in blackface at different times, including Judy Garland.
- This is not the first time WML has had a person of color as the mystery guest. I am glad to see that whoever invites the m g. believes in diversity. Bravo!
Hello Shirley, I simply think that WML supported true talent, regardless of any diversity considerations. Lena Horne certainly had "it" (talent) by the boatload.
There were some great talents on the show. Louis Armstrong, Nat King Cole, Earth Kitt, Mahalia Jackson, Harry Belafonte, Sammy Davis Jr., Johnny Mathis and more.
It was about talent, not diversity. They had people of many races, continents, ages, walks of life. They didn't care about race, but they did care about talent, which is what the show was all about and what viewers wanted to see.
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating; John Daly was brilliant in the way he could fully explain/analyze the finest of fine points. He demonstrated this here (early on) during the appearance of the lovely Lena Horne. All on live television, no less!
Can you imagine how amazing Lena would have been as an actress too. too bad hollywood at that time was too close minded against race shes really something special beautiful articulate smart funny that would have been magic on screen i really wish that could have happened
I'm tall and love to lay in the bathtub with my head resting on the back edge - it's very relaxing to take the weight off shoulders and back. I'm surprised that the panel members, Dorothy especially, seemed to question the given answer. Perhaps women with fragile hairstyles would not risk squashing their coiffure (and that's the first and only time in my life when I'll use the word). Sometimes the panellists appear to live sheltered, wealthy, urban lives and regard the contestants as being from a different species. Luckily John Daly often bursts their bubble.
Interesting that Bennett asked if Lena Horne's current show ("Jamaica") opened before October 31, 1957 in New York, they had to have a conference, because it opened in New York on that very date, and not before it.
@@alexforest1 By today's standards, the men were incorrigible sexists. However, I have yet to witness any woman give a man an evil eye because of it. I do wonder, though, what the women really thought. Arlene was nearly as bad as Cerf in that category.
@@mrbob4u495 I totally agree with you! I wonder how the wives were treated. I bet Sylvia Sydney wondered what kind of man did I marry! Arlene was right in there with the incorrigible behavior. Steve Allen was pretty bad.
They were playing kind of fast and loose with that _Jamaica_ technically for Lena Horne - Bennett's question/assertion that the show was _not_ currently in New York should have been answered “yes,” because it wasn't, and wouldn't be for another seven months - but it was a cute segment nonetheless. (It took me a minute or two to determine that Arlene's next question and most of those afterwards we're referring to the show's out-of-town tryouts, but even that may be reading too much into it, and ultimately this was sixty-one years ago, so analyzing it to this degree is silly. 😳
Bennett's comment about the dresses that were "an insult to every man in the United States" refers to the Chemise or "sack" dress which was introduced by Balenciaga in 1957. It was a formless dress that ballooned out at the waist & narrowed at the bottom. They were especially hated by men and deemed ugly & unfeminine. Still, they were revered by women for being both modern & comfortable and nearly every woman owned one in 1958.
John really blew it with Lena Horne. He had plenty of time to chat with her. She was obviously having a good time, and to rush her off like that was unnecessary. Who needs a final, rushed, contestant anyway ?
as someone pointed out on another episode in the comments about this action. Some of them may have had other commitments to get to and John may have been aware. Some, this was what i read not coming from me, may have been uncofortable out of their element to sit and talk. It wouild have been nice. With her it probaby was necessary to leave. If she was familiar with the program at all she knew she could sit there till John let her go.
I'm pleasantly stunned, Dorothy actually wore this dress is another episode! ruclips.net/video/gfF6up9cMCs/видео.html I had JUST seen it and thought it was stunning and here it is again! She must have loved it, too.
Lena Horne stated in an interview many years later that she *🔴ENJOYED🔴* being on the show.... HOWEVER, due to extreme racism during that time, she was mandated to enter the studio through the back door off the alley where the trash was thrown. Lena also expressed that she waited back stage in a converted broom closet until she was called out. Lena added that there was no dressing room or waiting room for blacks and no blacks were allowed in the standard dressing room that was set aside for the average white guests of the show. Lena noted that being an African American star was extremely difficult during those times but she was able to persevere and make the best of it👍
Because I had to look it up: The 'musical comedy about the Amish' (what an interesting idea) that Dorothy referred to at 19:05 was Plain and Fancy, which ran on Broadway from 1955-1956. (Produced by none other than Dick Kollmar.)
Saw it once at one of those crazy summer tent theaters in the round, not too far from actual Amish country. Remember enjoying it, but haven't a clue any more as to what the story was.
Lena Horne was clearly having a good time and enjoying her appearance. Not sure why she was rushed off, there was plenty of time for a chat. Also, the horse trainer said "around Albany" likely because she was training at (then) Saratoga Raceway in Saratoga Springs. If she gave "Saratoga" as where she was from, the panel may have associated that with horse racing (both thoroughbreds and harness horses) and targeted that.
+Greg .Patrei I thought the same thing regarding the identification of being from "around Albany" rather than specifically mentioning Saratoga. It would have been easier to hide her identity and still give a more accurate geographic location if she had been associated with one of the downstate harness racetracks at the time: Yonkers or Roosevelt. As far as Miss Horne rushing off, I always wonder if that was the decision of the challenger or someone on the WML staff. Sometimes John is able to catch them as they get up. But perhaps in this case, it was prearranged that she would leave quickly. One reason was that she didn't have something upcoming to shill for. Apparently her Broadway show, Jamaica, was a big hit, and she was the second star from the cast to appear on WML during its run (the first being Ricardo Montalban).
just posted this a couple questions above ....... as someone pointed out on another episode in the comments about this action. Some of them may have had other commitments to get to and John may have been aware. Some, this was what i read not coming from me, may have been uncofortable out of their element to sit and talk. It wouild have been nice. With her it probaby was necessary to leave. If she was familiar with the program at all she knew she could sit there till John let her go
The Kelly family members rushed out so fast, it was as if they had to catch a red eye to the west coast so they could be in court Monday morning. I was glad that John took the time to mention which courts they presided over.
Am I the only one who thinks it would be hilarious if, when the contestant told him where he/she is from, John reacted negatively? Example: “Nice to have you here, Mr. So-and-so, and where are you from?” “Cleveland, Ohio.” “Bah, what an awful place. You must have been relieved to get out of that wasteland to come visit us.”
Plain and Fancy, which was produced by Dorothy's husband Richard Kollmar. Featured a barn raising. The only member of the Broadway cast whose name I recognize was Barbara Cook, not in a lead role. I don't know who Bennet was thinking of.
Most likly, this is posted just above in the comments. ..... Edward died in 1960; Bernard (after moving to Alaska and practicing law there) died in 2013. As far as I can tell, Noreen is still around. ... the post is 2 years old so. Best I can come up with right now if she is still with us she is 86.
I have to say that John Daly's decisions about when to flip all the cards and when not to, (after contestants' lines are guessed early on), seem rather random at times. More often than not he is generous about it, but in this episode it doesn't seem fair that the bathtub maker got the full $50 right after the 3 Kellys, who came all the way from Oregon, got only $10 to split between them! Every once in a while he also let contestants go without winning anything.
I suspect that all the contestants got their $50, whether John formally flipped all the cards over or not. Gil Fates was a little fuzzy on this in his book, or my memory of it is fuzzy, but it's implied in there, if not stated outright. Remember, too, that the contestants from Oregon got a free trip to NY and a stay at a fancy hotel, the value of which far, far, far exceeded the maximum $50 prize money.
SaveThe TPC To me so far, it seems to be, that Daly usually flip all the cards, when obviously the contestant(s) are not in well-paid positions. The Kelly trio was Judges, probably with a safe pension ahead, and wasn't in need for the money. When he flip all cards for people in good positions, the amount is usually marked for charity.
This show really needs to be resurrected......this is so entertaining its silly......why doesn't some producer get a bunch of current stars and do this now.....it'd blow everything made nowdays outta the water
@@akrenwinkle you'd get celebrities with a working brain like cate blanchett, rosamund pike , giancaelo esposito, adam sandler to give a few random names
They'd probably start throwing a tantrum, cry it's not fair, and wear clothing with holes or workout gear. Definitely wouldn't care about manners, style, or speech. Would be treating each other like enemies and totally attention seeking to get likes. No thank you!
When dorothy asked the bathtub salesman "when you wear it is it visible?", John should have given her a no for presumption. Instead he gave her a yes and a hint
Sometimes the guests and even the mystery guests will get up and leave as soon as the game is over. Is this something entirely in their respective hands, or perhaps they are given some off stage or subtle direction by JCD. Personally I think most of us like to hear a little more about the guests and their lines, or their latest film or such. It doesn't (usually) appear to be for any time restrictions as far as l can see.
He was referring to a sack dress which was a style at that time. I'm not sure of the word he used after it, but it's possible it was "chamois" which could have been the type of cloth the dresses were made from.
Thank you, I google it, they were called chemise or sack dresses. They were loose fitting dresses for the most part but fitted on the legs, if you know what I mean. Some of them were really stylish and some were ugly!
Debra Harris You're exactly right. If you watch the very next episode which is 3/9/58 with Jack Paar as the mystery guest, John Daly makes mention of it again at the very start of the show and you can understand the word chemise much more clearly.
Jeff Vaughn The chamois you are talking about is a leather, a chrome tanned leather, that back then, as well as today, they use to dry cars and other things with out scratching.
Well, I think Rick just wanted to pick up champaigne tricks or sthg like that.... ha ha ha... No, seriously... some folks just desperately want to get any sort of reply from you I quess.... Nice try I must say.
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I have to say... given the times this was filmed in... and the struggles of people of color... back when people freaked out if a black and white person were shown to even touch each other on TV...the fact that Lena was shown so much warmth and affection... and both Dorothy and Arlene kissed and hugged her... made me very emotional.
Actually Lena leaned in to kiss them, but Lena is awesome anyway.
@@BradJames878 That's because the men always stand up and the women always stay seated.
Lena was beautiful a woman. Not every white person back then was racist in fact she was married to a white man who fathered her children
Nat King Cole had a worst experience on TV, even though he had his own weekly show with his name on it.
Lena has one of the best, most endearing and contagious smiles I've ever seen
I had the privilege of seeing her live once, she was divine in ace figure and talent!
And today, that smile goes to Janet Jackson, If you've never seen her smile, oh my, it's the best I've ever seen.
I was IN LOVE with Lena Horne as a child, an adolescent, an adult, and even her memory now as an old codger. I _loved_ that infectious smile, vivacious personality, supreme talent, and stellar character. She was drop-dead GORGEOUS in my estimation.
Lena Horne moves so fast with everything she does. My word, she writes fast, sits down fast and was away from the desk and out the door in seconds. LOL. She must have been one hell of a dancer, Dang.
Sunday at 7:30, probably was needed on Stage
THAT SMILE!!! Such a beautifully talented lady.....
As serious as Dorothy took this game, she often had a,lot of fun.
Back in the early 60s I had the opportunity of meeting Lena Horne. My mother was involved in classical music so they knew each other.
How lucky you and your mother were to have met Lena Horne.
Lena Horne was so beautiful
She is very likable. Great smile, quick and certain answers. Modest. Quickest sign in. A perfect guest
this show is too addictive - can never say this about today's shows including the sometimes rigged jeopardy
I come to watch here when the world gets to be too much!
I have been on Jeopardy! and I can assure you it is not rigged
@adamodeo9320: What's My Line is supreme but many coincidences indicate it is a very small percentage-wise rigged!
@@laurahoward5426 really?.. how many shows were you on?
@@lovealways2609 4, and you have to wait about 6 months for your show to air to get your $$$17,000
Miss Horne was classy, beautiful, professional and a incredible singer! An infectious smile, I love her!
Have never seen Dorothy crack up like she did with the bathtub contestant. Love it
I love when she laughs
This is such a wonderful treat seeing, Lena Horne!!
My mom’s birthday on this show when my twin brother and I turned 1 on March3,’58. Love ❤️ it and you Lena, Arlene ❤️
The beautiful Lena Horne and talented Ralph Bellamy a great actor. Together on this groundbreaking show.😀
Man, what a star Ms. Horne was. Before my time, but I remember her appearance on Sanford and Son (touching and funny). And on "60 Mintues" in which she said a singer like herself could only be happy being married to a musician.
Miss Horne is lovely.
*The stunningly beautiful Gerry Thompson deserves at least one comment here. And I'm going to make it. What a babe!*
? drugs?
@@wildboar7473 Well, come clean. What drugs are *you* on?
The judges reminded me of the time one of the guests was an attorney. Someone asked if he or she passed the bar. Arlene said, "well, haven't we all?" The guest panelist replied, "Some of us haven't."
Nice to see Lena happy, cheerful, even bubbly.
RIP Lena Horne. Overdue condolences to the family :-(
Ever notice no matter on how bad the weather was back then, that all the ladies still wore dresses, all the time I been watching these shows, I never had seen a lady wearing pants.
Women didn't wear pants on television back then. There was a big controversy over this on the Dick Van Dyke Show, which debuted in 1960, because Mary Tyler Moore wore sexy capri pants and it was still considered unacceptable. They actually had to negotiate with the network/sponsors to reach an agreement where she was allowed to wear the pants, but only in one scene per show!
What's My Line? I didn't know that and I was born in 1953....lol
What's My Line? -- Of course, my mother and all her friends who were stay-at-home moms (I turned 8 years old in 1960) were wearing Capri pants by then and had been for some time. It was just not a big deal. I think part of the controversy was that the hide-bound TV censors thought that women should not be shown wearing pants because pants were for men. I never saw any of the women in our neighborhood dressed like June Cleaver in a fitted dress you couldn't reasonably do any housework in, wearing a string of pearls to go with it, unless they were going out somewhere for a social engagement or out to dinner.
Yes that is true about MLK, but in the early '50's, Lucille Ball, as well as Vivian Vance often wore "slacks" and even blue jean on I Love Lucy. Guess when you own your show you had more say lol.
MTM not MLK...jeez predictive text is an annoyance.
I recently saw on TCM a 1942 film called Cabin in the Sky. An all-black cast musical which was very charming and entertaining. Ms. Horne was very young and cast as Ms. Georgia Brown opposite Ms. Ethel Waters. She was so beautiful and sang so wonderfully!!!! Ms. Waters was enchanting.
waters
Ms Horne was just radiant!
I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HEAR LENA TALK A BIT.
She was busy and couldn't stay for long probably
Devastatingly beautiful Lena Horne :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I grew up seeing Lena Horne's beautiful picture on my PapPap's bedroom wall! He was born in 1917 and instilled in me that all women were beautiful!
Lovely story!
When they're not horrible bitches
Sorry to burst the bubble, but not all women are beautiful. So you were misled.
I've said this different times, but it's nice to see that there were people back in the 50's who weren't racists. Lena Horne kissed both girls and they didn't mind
True but it doubtless would have been highly controversial in some quarters had she kissed either or both of the men.
In my opinion this was the most progressive show in that sense.
Well, I may burst some bubbles here . . . Ms. Horne was extremely fair complected & did not have African features but more prominent European features, undoubtedly some European dipped his banana into some chocolate back in Ms. Horne's lineage, so her looking less African & more European cld lend to Caucasians in the US to more easily accepting Ms. Horne, for a moment until they came to their senses & remembered she has AFRICAN blood running thru her veins. But, there are a few caucasian ppl that truly aren't racist, I guess. 🤷🏾♀️
Lena Horne seems like a riot. Her exit was pretty great.
John's quip at 11:53 about bathtubs, "What do you want him to do, move it to Times Square?" has to be one of the funniest ad libs that John ever allowed himself to make. As a professional news broadcaster, it appears that he tried to maintain much of that dignity amid the informal setting of this panel show most of the time. This and other off-the-cuff funny lines give us a hint of how quick-witted he must have been in private life when not constrained by his public image as a newsman.
Maybe the quote was funny back then
The panel guessed the occupations of the first guests, the judges, very quickly, leaving time for some conversation, but no, they were wisked away without discovering their relationship to each other or how all three came to be judges. I would like to have heard more from them.
My grandma used to stitch clothes for Lena! Gracious lady
Lena Horne had a great time. What a fantastic talent. Arlene and Dorothy were especially sharp in this episode.
I have to agree. Very much so!
@@paulrollins2414 yes indeed.
I think Arlene and Dorothy were always sharp, better than the men. Classy, prepossessed, very bright. It's hard to fathom Arlene killed two people through negligence, and Dorothy offed herself with a barbituate-martini combination.
Lena Horne was a truly brilliant entertainer, singer and actress. I saw her on a Perry Como TV show and she was simply delightful. I wish she had appeared in more films as she was a tremendous talent!
So did she. In one of the "That's Entertainment" movies, she complains fairly bitterly that she did not get chosen for the lead in "Show Boat," which went to Ava Gardner, even though the character is supposed to be mixed race and that fact is important to the plot. She said MGM was quite racist back in the day, and there is quite a bit to support that belief from the way the films were presented. For example, black performers appeared as "novelty" acts that were separate from the story and theater owners in some areas could and did cut those scenes if they desired. And I regret that various MGM performers appeared in blackface at different times, including Judy Garland.
@@preppysocks209 I saw that episode in the film. Her autobiography and biography in depth mentions this.
- This is not the first time WML has had a person of color as the mystery guest. I am glad to see that whoever invites the m g. believes in diversity. Bravo!
Lena Horne: beautiful and talented. Good for WML for supporting diversity.
Hello Shirley, I simply think that WML supported true talent, regardless of any diversity considerations. Lena Horne certainly had "it" (talent) by the boatload.
There were some great talents on the show. Louis Armstrong, Nat King Cole, Earth Kitt, Mahalia Jackson, Harry Belafonte, Sammy Davis Jr., Johnny Mathis and more.
It was about talent, not diversity. They had people of many races, continents, ages, walks of life. They didn't care about race, but they did care about talent, which is what the show was all about and what viewers wanted to see.
@@bryanspindle4455Ella Fitzgerald!
The theater from which this episode was broadcast was recently renamed for Lena Horne.
Mr. Seymour made American Standard tubs. Still the best!
I remember Lena Horne for Stormy Weather. I loved that scene where she sang that song so beautiful and dreamlike.
Dorothy: "May I rule out that you have anything to do with nuts?"
Kellys: "No."
This turned out to be a correct answer by accident.
Lol
Lena was a class act. Much respect.
Gosh I love John Daly's conferences with female challengers. He's always so polite, funny, complimentary and yet slightly salacious.
Lena's smile lit up that studio...
I've said it before, but it's worth repeating; John Daly was brilliant in the way he could fully explain/analyze the finest of fine points. He demonstrated this here (early on) during the appearance of the lovely Lena Horne. All on live television, no less!
A wonderful host with a voice; an intellect just made for this program. Professional and classy.
I get so caught up in these I forget to drop a thank you sometimes.
Can you imagine how amazing Lena would have been as an actress too. too bad hollywood at that time was too close minded against race shes really something special beautiful articulate smart funny that would have been magic on screen i really wish that could have happened
Yes, Lena was very beautiful. So was Bernard Kelly. 😁
Ralph Bellamy had such a beautiful voice
Nice to know how far back American Standard goes. They made many of the bathroom fixtures in our home.
All four of them were very smart , In my opinion , John Daly was one of the greatest journalists of all time .
Certainly the best moderator of any panel show, ever.
@@johnjaybonstingl9007 I agree
Ralph Bellamy on this with Lena Horn.He played on the movie Trading Places
I'm tall and love to lay in the bathtub with my head resting on the back edge - it's very relaxing to take the weight off shoulders and back. I'm surprised that the panel members, Dorothy especially, seemed to question the given answer. Perhaps women with fragile hairstyles would not risk squashing their coiffure (and that's the first and only time in my life when I'll use the word). Sometimes the panellists appear to live sheltered, wealthy, urban lives and regard the contestants as being from a different species. Luckily John Daly often bursts their bubble.
Regarding contestants as a different species?
Interesting that Bennett asked if Lena Horne's current show ("Jamaica") opened before October 31, 1957 in New York, they had to have a conference, because it opened in New York on that very date, and not before it.
Bennett was always putting his foot in his mouth.
@@timothyhughes1904 very much so ...he really lacked humor and he was not witty.
@@alexforest1 By today's standards, the men were incorrigible sexists. However, I have yet to witness any woman give a man an evil eye because of it. I do wonder, though, what the women really thought. Arlene was nearly as bad as Cerf in that category.
@@mrbob4u495 I totally agree with you! I wonder how the wives were treated. I bet Sylvia Sydney wondered what kind of man did I marry! Arlene was right in there with the incorrigible behavior. Steve Allen was pretty bad.
Continue to Rest In Peace, Lena Horne.
Love the Signatures
Just can't help wanting to watch more and more episodes...
They were playing kind of fast and loose with that _Jamaica_ technically for Lena Horne - Bennett's question/assertion that the show was _not_ currently in New York should have been answered “yes,” because it wasn't, and wouldn't be for another seven months - but it was a cute segment nonetheless. (It took me a minute or two to determine that Arlene's next question and most of those afterwards we're referring to the show's out-of-town tryouts, but even that may be reading too much into it, and ultimately this was sixty-one years ago, so analyzing it to this degree is silly. 😳
You forgot to close the parentheses.
Bennett's comment about the dresses that were "an insult to every man in the United States" refers to the Chemise or "sack" dress which was introduced by Balenciaga in 1957. It was a formless dress that ballooned out at the waist & narrowed at the bottom. They were especially hated by men and deemed ugly & unfeminine. Still, they were revered by women for being both modern & comfortable and nearly every woman owned one in 1958.
Thanks for this info! I couldn't make out what he said. What a thing to get worked up about. Lol
Seemed like an odd thing to say just out of the blue.
Lena reminds me of a Janelle Monae.
Doggies sometimes utilize a tub. 'Course they need assistance and oft times a bit of coaxing 🐕.
Lena Horne was so beautiful & talented. To hear her sing in that beautiful voice I just don’t understand how she could make her voice sound so raspy.
She is so professional she can change her voice any way she likes.
I'm from Oregon and they're from Southwest Oregon that's where Medford is I'm actually from the east side of Oregon as we call it Eastern Oregon
Refreshing.
John really blew it with Lena Horne. He had plenty of time to chat with her. She was obviously having a good time, and to rush her off like that was unnecessary. Who needs a final, rushed, contestant anyway ?
as someone pointed out on another episode in the comments about this action. Some of them may have had other commitments to get to and John may have been aware. Some, this was what i read not coming from me, may have been uncofortable out of their element to sit and talk. It wouild have been nice. With her it probaby was necessary to leave. If she was familiar with the program at all she knew she could sit there till John let her go.
@@greydogmusic Yes, I believe she had a performance to get to, on Broadway.
That nut answer was enough to make me go nuts.
I'm pleasantly stunned, Dorothy actually wore this dress is another episode! ruclips.net/video/gfF6up9cMCs/видео.html I had JUST seen it and thought it was stunning and here it is again! She must have loved it, too.
Ralph Bellamy was a BIG guy, John Wayne size!
Lena Horne stated in an interview many years later that she *🔴ENJOYED🔴* being on the show.... HOWEVER, due to extreme racism during that time, she was mandated to enter the studio through the back door off the alley where the trash was thrown.
Lena also expressed that she waited back stage in a converted broom closet until she was called out. Lena added that there was no dressing room or waiting room for blacks and no blacks were allowed in the standard dressing room that was set aside for the average white guests of the show.
Lena noted that being an African American star was extremely difficult during those times but she was able to persevere and make the best of it👍
Gee...Lena Horne was so nice, WML had her twice!
Lena was talented , beautiful and a wonderful lady.
Lena Horne was gorgeous!
Because I had to look it up: The 'musical comedy about the Amish' (what an interesting idea) that Dorothy referred to at 19:05 was Plain and Fancy, which ran on Broadway from 1955-1956. (Produced by none other than Dick Kollmar.)
Saw it once at one of those crazy summer tent theaters in the round, not too far from actual Amish country. Remember enjoying it, but haven't a clue any more as to what the story was.
One of entertainment's most gorgeous and talented women. We should be ashamed of how she was treated.
Lena Horne was clearly having a good time and enjoying her appearance. Not sure why she was rushed off, there was plenty of time for a chat. Also, the horse trainer said "around Albany" likely because she was training at (then) Saratoga Raceway in Saratoga Springs. If she gave "Saratoga" as where she was from, the panel may have associated that with horse racing (both thoroughbreds and harness horses) and targeted that.
+Greg .Patrei
I thought the same thing regarding the identification of being from "around Albany" rather than specifically mentioning Saratoga. It would have been easier to hide her identity and still give a more accurate geographic location if she had been associated with one of the downstate harness racetracks at the time: Yonkers or Roosevelt.
As far as Miss Horne rushing off, I always wonder if that was the decision of the challenger or someone on the WML staff. Sometimes John is able to catch them as they get up. But perhaps in this case, it was prearranged that she would leave quickly. One reason was that she didn't have something upcoming to shill for. Apparently her Broadway show, Jamaica, was a big hit, and she was the second star from the cast to appear on WML during its run (the first being Ricardo Montalban).
just posted this a couple questions above ....... as someone pointed out on another episode in the comments about this action. Some of them may have had other commitments to get to and John may have been aware. Some, this was what i read not coming from me, may have been uncofortable out of their element to sit and talk. It wouild have been nice. With her it probaby was necessary to leave. If she was familiar with the program at all she knew she could sit there till John let her go
See my comment below. Mr. Daly DID get around to the relationship mid-show. Oh well, back to WML and mystery guest, Lena Horne.
The Kelly family members rushed out so fast, it was as if they had to catch a red eye to the west coast so they could be in court Monday morning. I was glad that John took the time to mention which courts they presided over.
Am I the only one who thinks it would be hilarious if, when the contestant told him where he/she is from, John reacted negatively?
Example:
“Nice to have you here, Mr. So-and-so, and where are you from?”
“Cleveland, Ohio.”
“Bah, what an awful place. You must have been relieved to get out of that wasteland to come visit us.”
Lena very very nice looking 👌 wonmen
She was gorgeous. Consider many times one the most beautiful women in the world.
Lena Horne's name appears in the noted song "National Brotherhood Week"
Fred Sanford loved Lena Horne
Arlene Francis is very SHARP
Now I want to know what was the musical comedy about the Amish they were asking about.
Plain and Fancy, which was produced by Dorothy's husband Richard Kollmar. Featured a barn raising. The only member of the Broadway cast whose name I recognize was Barbara Cook, not in a lead role. I don't know who Bennet was thinking of.
I see that Bea Arthur understudied one of the leads and that Carol Lawrence was in the chorus.
VERY TRUE!!!!
Fifty dollars in 1958 is like 500 today.
Now in my head is a picture of Bennett and Dorothy taking a bath together.
That couldn't happen in real life could it, Ma?
Joe Postove - Oh stop it! I don't want to think about it.
@@shirleyrombough8173 😂😂😂😂😂😂
NOW ITS IN MINE!🤣🙈
@@syd8802 🤣🤣🤣
Wonder what the relation was between the three Kellys (the first contestants)?
I'D GUESS FATHER AND HIS KIDS.
Most likly, this is posted just above in the comments. ..... Edward died in 1960; Bernard (after moving to Alaska and practicing law there) died in 2013. As far as I can tell, Noreen is still around. ... the post is 2 years old so. Best I can come up with right now if she is still with us she is 86.
Totally agree
Not only the last Contestant a tuff one, but very pretty, no time!
I enjoy seeing Lena but whoever did her makeup forgot to color her ears to match the makeup on her face 🥰❤️🖤💚#she's still black excellence 🥰❤️🖤💚
Yes, I found that extremely distracting!
@@kattahj true do things correct ❤️🖤💚
I have to say that John Daly's decisions about when to flip all the cards and when not to, (after contestants' lines are guessed early on), seem rather random at times. More often than not he is generous about it, but in this episode it doesn't seem fair that the bathtub maker got the full $50 right after the 3 Kellys, who came all the way from Oregon, got only $10 to split between them! Every once in a while he also let contestants go without winning anything.
I suspect that all the contestants got their $50, whether John formally flipped all the cards over or not. Gil Fates was a little fuzzy on this in his book, or my memory of it is fuzzy, but it's implied in there, if not stated outright. Remember, too, that the contestants from Oregon got a free trip to NY and a stay at a fancy hotel, the value of which far, far, far exceeded the maximum $50 prize money.
SaveThe TPC To me so far, it seems to be, that Daly usually flip all the cards, when obviously the contestant(s) are not in well-paid positions. The Kelly trio was Judges, probably with a safe pension ahead, and wasn't in need for the money. When he flip all cards for people in good positions, the amount is usually marked for charity.
What's My Line? I love the walnut question and the response!!
+SaveThe TPC I know the contestants got the $50 no matter what, some were flown in and put up in a hotel at network expense.
But they never established which one of them dealt in the nut cases. That would have been interesting.
Kramer was right. Lena Horne DOES look like Jerry.
"The Horne"
Nice looking woman 👌
This show really needs to be resurrected......this is so entertaining its silly......why doesn't some producer get a bunch of current stars and do this now.....it'd blow everything made nowdays outta the water
Current "stars" are "too good" for such menial work.
@@mrbob4u495 I could see it working. Miley Cyrus: "So, is your product, like, bigger than a double iced latte with a low-fat dollop?"
@@akrenwinkle you'd get celebrities with a working brain like cate blanchett, rosamund pike , giancaelo esposito, adam sandler to give a few random names
They'd probably start throwing a tantrum, cry it's not fair, and wear clothing with holes or workout gear. Definitely wouldn't care about manners, style, or speech. Would be treating each other like enemies and totally attention seeking to get likes. No thank you!
@@donnacook8994 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣with todays culture....your right
When dorothy asked the bathtub salesman "when you wear it is it visible?", John should have given her a no for presumption. Instead he gave her a yes and a hint
Agreed. At least he should have pointed out that it hadn't yet been established that it was wearable.
I hate that Lena Horne had to 'cover' for so many years before discrimination lessened. She's such a classy lady 😍
I like it when the panel gets a no when they are asking whether a guest is a man or a woman. I hope Lena didn't hurt her voice disguising it here.
*_Judges_*
*_Makes Bathtubs_*
*_Trains Trotting Horses_*
Sometimes the guests and even the mystery guests will get up and leave as soon as the game is over.
Is this something entirely in their respective hands, or perhaps they are given some off stage or subtle direction by JCD.
Personally I think most of us like to hear a little more about the guests and their lines, or their latest film or such.
It doesn't (usually) appear to be for any time restrictions as far as l can see.
True...Bette Davis did a get up and rush as soon as they guessed her.
I should have liked to hear more about the judges' work, especially the one who dealt with nuts.
What was the name of the dress that Bennett mentioned that he so despised? It sounded like shimion or something like that.
He was referring to a sack dress which was a style at that time. I'm not sure of the word he used after it, but it's possible it was "chamois" which could have been the type of cloth the dresses were made from.
Thank you, I google it, they were called chemise or sack dresses. They were loose fitting dresses for the most part but fitted on the legs, if you know what I mean. Some of them were really stylish and some were ugly!
Debra Harris
You're exactly right. If you watch the very next episode which is 3/9/58 with Jack Paar as the mystery guest, John Daly makes mention of it again at the very start of the show and you can understand the word chemise much more clearly.
Jeff Vaughn The chamois you are talking about is a leather, a chrome tanned leather, that back then, as well as today, they use to dry cars and other things with out scratching.
We are talking about chemise dresses not chamois cloth!
WML. Looked in my subscriptions and went to your site to just "pick" one. Why aren't there any there? Not complaining just curious.
Sorry, I really don't understand the question. "Pick" one what? What isn't there? Where is "there"?
Well, I think Rick just wanted to pick up champaigne tricks or sthg like that.... ha ha ha...
No, seriously... some folks just desperately want to get any sort of reply from you I quess....
Nice try I must say.
21:22 always "funny" when you see people back in the day being shocked by the new trends
Very nice looking 👌
11:54 that time John C Daly cracked himself up more than his lungs could handle 🤣