2017 Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade SP1 | Ride Review - Does it have what it takes?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- CBR1000RR Fireblade is one of the original game changers when it comes to light powerful sportsbikes. Honda always stated the Blade would never have electronic aids but with a full complement of gizmos are Honda too late to the party?
Its been 9 years since the last proper new Blade was out but how does the new 2017 SP version add up against some serious modern competition?
Massive thanks to South Coast Honda for the loan bike
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Secondaries - GoPro Hero 4 Black
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I dont get how people consider this bike "boring" it has 190 horsepower and weighs almost the same as a 600cc bike. I know its not a v4 or crossplane crank but it doesnt really matter. This bike checks off every single box for me
It has no where near 190 bhp
My 2017 CBR1000RR has a full arrow exhaust, ecu flash and dyno tune and it has 170hp and 84lb/ft at the rear wheel.
Nowhere near bot even close! From 150hp-160-170hp rwhp.
Coming from someone who owns 19 Duc V4; 18 Tuono v4 ; 18 cbr1000rr I can say the Honda is an easy riding scalpel on the road. Extremely comfortable and precise. Brakes are excellent. It’s an amazing Daily driver. No it doesn’t have the torque of the v4s but it certainly IS NOT SLOW. It puts a huge smile on my face every time I ride it.
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Cameron The great I own the 19 SP, 19 R1M, 959. The SP is a comfortable bike you can record on track. And it is the most pretty bike, high quality build.
Iv got the 2017 fireblade if I'm stuck at speeds of 30mph it gets hit like 94 to 100c is that normal
I bought a 2017 cbr1000rr base model i couldn't be happier very fast bike and it handles like 600cc motorcycle
Shekar Wali nice bro, I’m thinking upgrading my 07cbr1000 to 2017-2018 leftover 🤫
You should definitely get one with a quickshifter it's so much fun but i will be swapping it for r1 soon i love the sound of r1
Shekar Wali dang an R1. Did you get it? That’s my top choice but it feels uncomfortable for street use
I test rode this bike and it's an absolute beast!!!
If you're using full throttle coming out of any turn on the street you're simply in the wrong gear.........and to say it has no pull??? I left her in second and she had torque EVERYWHERE......more than you can possibly use on the street. I never reached the throttle stop in first or second,
Third gear is a different story, but you have no business in third below 100mph.
I did also experience some rattling when down low especially when I was playing around with full throttle in third.
Anyways this review doesn't do this bike justice.
I would adjust my gearing to be in the powerband when i pull out of the corner rather than blame the bike for lack of torque
With all due respect, but I wouldn't say the 2017 bike is just another rehash of the "old bike". You even go back as far as the '08 bike. Yes I am a bit of a Honda fan but I'm certainly not against criticism... however, that criticism has to be valid, and some of the issues you point out, are just not true. How you FEEL about those changes and/or perceive them is a whole different matter. Let me address them one by one and also point out some other ones.
(*note* most comparisons are between the '16 and '17 model, so differences between '08 and '17 are even bigger).
- Same frame... while the geometry might be the same (and therefore the looks), it's 300g lighter. But those changes, have an impact on (as you mentioned yourself) the flex of the frame, and therefore, the feel of the bike. Maybe you won't notice the difference in day to day usage that much, but it's definitely there. Changing the rigidity of the frame of a motorcycle and saying "it's the same" is the same as "The Burj Khalifa is the same as the Empire state building, only a bit taller"
- Same swinging arm. - again... yes. same basic model, but lighter. I'll give you this one (even if the whole flex story could be applied to the swing arm as well).
-redesigned subframe
- Same engine "bar a bit of tweakin". :| - 11bhp increase (20bhp compared to '08 model) , higher compression ratio (13.0, up from 12.3:1), 500rpm higher rev limit. Sorry sir, but you don't get that with "just a bit of tweakin'". Also, when you look at images of the bike, there are quite obvious differences between both models.
other changes:
slipper clutch, quick shifter, new air intake duct, redesigned air box, larger throttle bodies, all sorts of traction control, lights (LED), main instrument panel
Sure, Honda used quite a number of "old" parts, but like you said: "if it ain't broke". (I agree on the cover of the frame... personally I think I'd remove it)
I personally think this is a big upgrade and from most of the reviews I've seen and read, most people would agree.
However, everyone can have their opinion. Would I change from a 2016 bike to the 2017? I don't know. unfortunately I have ridden neither of them. But, as I am currently without a motorcycle due to an unfortunate incident with my previous bike it'll definitely be an upgrade for me.
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Yes good points Martin there are more changes than I mentioned. But for me the overall experience left me expecting slight more.. I think the Euro4 changes have really hampered the stock bike torque delivery which makes it feel very flat, they would be better gearing it down a couple of teeth to compensate..
I bought my 17’ fireblade brand new for $12,700 usd... at that price its for sure a winner. Deals are out there.
Love my 2008 fireblade never had any problems with her.All the power one needs on the road and more.
You keep saying it's flat or doesn't have power in for the corners or doesn't have the pull that the RSV has, try putting over 6k RPMs when that 2nd fuel injector kicks in. You're always sitting at the bottom of the rev range when Honda (and sports bikes in general) have always had their power geared towards the mid/upper range.
You cannot ride a litre bike on the street at over 8k all the time you will die!!! You need torque & tractability for a road bike so it pulls you out of corners. Power which is hiding only at 8K and above is wasted on a road bike. I own a Fireblade so know how to ride one..
I understand keeping it at lower revs, since it's easier to cruise around town, but the thing has a quick shifter all ready to go! Drop a gear before the turn so you can have the power you want. Don't go into a turn at 3k RPM and then complain that the blade doesn't have the torque that the RSV4 does. Bottom line is, this bike could do backflips if it wasn't prevented by electronic intervention trying to keep you alive: plenty of torque.
Of course new bikes carry on over from their old bikes....... why do you keep saying it's the same same same? All manufacturers carry over their designs and do little tweaks here and there to upgrade it. You expect manufacturers to just ditch their chassis and motor altogether every time a new year is around the corner, and start from scratch again? Come on now, that doesn't make sense. And besides, how can you tell just by eye-balling the bikes that it is the same? Do you have the schematics to make comparisons and come to your conclusion?
No 1000-cc bike is down on power!! Dumb thing to say
I absolutely hate that utter bullshit so called reviewers come out with about inline 4s having no grunt all they have is top end. You know they do have a gearbox. Get it down some cogs and stop being so lazy. And before everyone says I'm just a Honda fanboy I'm definitely not. I'm more of a Suzuki and yamaha fan but I respect the fireblade for what it always has been. Which is the best all round 1000cc super bike reflected by the fact it's by far the best selling superbike ever.
They don’t change the engine because it’s bulletproof. My 07 has 45k miles and once ran 7k miles without an oil change. I’ve only ever done oil changes and it’s a tank. That’s what Honda is known for, who wants to spend 5k a year on repairs for an aprilia when a Honda will hardly ever need anything… ever
I think ill stick with my 012 blade. Only paid 5k for it. So fast
Down shift, nothing flat about my SP2, need to learn how to ride it!! Ask BMW where their V-4 is . Also Honda gave you a V-4 in 2016 with the RC213V-S , its not their fault you can’t afford it ?
I know a few people who don't like the looks compared to the previous model but i think it looks better! Especially the SP *drool*
Have a 2015 cbr1000rr best sport bike i have ever had, Honda makes t best motorcycles 😎
Think of it this way :
If you already have a fantastic balanced bike why would you want to make a radical change to it? I'm talking about the engine and chassis.
What people asked for was electronics, more power and less weight to a already magnificent bike and today they got it.
I think if Honda decides to develop a new engine it's gonna be for a hole different bike. I don't think they would ever develop a V4 for the CBR.
Thanks for the review
You don’t have to reinvent the wheel to make a great bike better. Any one who does motor work knows 11 more hp and -5kgs stock bike is is a lot and changing the flex on a frame can completely transform a bike . And the reason that bike cost so much is the electronic Olin’s suspension. I agree the price is a bit high but this bike has laid down some serious lap times that shame its rivals.
It’s a light weight track bike and still a faster package for 90% of riders than a Rsv that relies solely on Traction Control. Don’t get mad at an orange because it’s not an apple. 😁
True that but anyone that builds engine also knows the cams don’t have much lift on the hondas and has a lot of room of improvement on the head. These bikes gain a lot more with head and cams than other bikes, up to a 20-30whp bump vs other bike that will only gain 10whp at most
My-SP2 is absolutely brilliant, who cares if they use old parts, i did full Akropovich Titanium GP exhaust and a flash, the bike is wicked fast above 7k. The up and down quick shifter is better than a video game!! Most Isle of Man TT victorys and the most Moto-GP wins. The results speak for themselves!! HRC all day.
Get a video up and let's hear it! Full Akro and a flash is exactly what I am planning on doing next year once I pick up the SP-1. Suuuuper excited!
OK i have just replaced my cbr 1000rr 2015sp with the new 2017 standard fire blade and can tell you its a totally different bike its nimble has a lot more power in every gear tons lighter and is alot faster in the mid range i like the review i am not disappointed one bit when i bought my bike the garage had a que waiting for a test ride most of the guys had cbr 1000rr bikes when they come back they bought the new blade right away
You're the first non journalist I've seen on RUclips with their hands on one of these. So respect for getting your finger out man.
I would have one in a heart beat.
I'll declare my bias. I used to own an 09 Blade. Your Blade brought me to the channel actually.
Chuck it here Lambchop, I wanna go. Never been on a Blade which has got all those flash gizmos.
Oh super sports I'm still a sucker for em even at 40 something.
If I got a a windfall I'd have a fleet of em, show that 650ib.
Negatives, well we all know Honda make a fantastic V4, why isn't it in this. Also brakes, Yamaha and Honda no Brembos on their top of the range bikes which is mad.
Chops it's a different bike lighter slimmer faster and full of electronic aids, so why this is the same bike. I watched your video twice and was going to buy something else and then I test drove the 2018 SP and I fell in love with the bike and I bought one. Thank you Chops.
Aprilia is doing the same Chops it's the same bike they are changing the stickers each year but it's the same bike with new electronics.
I flipping love it, beautiful thing.
Indeed a lovely bike !!
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that you don't have over 50k subs
+The Muscle Biker hehe thanks dude! 😉
He said it’s only fast in its power band but was driving slow in fourth gear lol he was at the lowest part of the band the whole video
I think history is proving a theory of mine on this bike: it was a stop gap until Honda finished development on the SC82
Technically, you could argue that this was the SC59’s ultimate form, despite it being considered a new model. It doesn’t receive the respect it deserves because of the power deficit to other bikes, but it’s phenomenal in every other aspect (and I think the complaints about wheelie control /traction control being tied together was thrown way out of proportion to its true impact for most of this bike's intended market).
This guy doesn't have a sweet clue.
i absolutely adore this bike. if i didn't just buy a brand new bladr in 2014 i would be all over that. worth every penny when you figure in the cost of the ohlins, brembos, and all the new electronic gadgetry of the sp1
Ive just read down through the comments and one thing to note here (in defence of the fireblade) and contradicting myself a little bit is......the TT. Im not going to go looking for stats and whatnot but the fireblade has won quite a large slice of podiums there and in other road races. Honda always said they designed the fireblade to be a good alround sports bike for the road. Im off myself this year to the TT (and for the last 6 years) - itll be interesting to see what McGuiness and Martin make of it...it could go one way or the other....good: they clean up....bad: the bike's too new (not enough dev time) and they dont get a sniff....thats just my opinion though! :)
Comfy Sofa exactly, honda has always done well in motogp and other races of the same sort and to say their most recent bike is lacking is not really true.
+Comfy Sofa I don't think it's different enough to cause to many issues with setup.. what with the same frame angles. Rigidity is different and certainly the extra power will be appreciated if there's any more power available than last year after tuning. I guess the stock tt bike will do well though with the extra power weight and suspension updates.
Lamb Chop Rides Yip.... I think I'd trust your judgement as you've ridden a few different models...
Well....yeah...y'right to a certain extent but, Honda have been racing a v4 for years and the fireblade is totally different on every front (the main thing being the motor)..i suppose you could say (as with others) the tech dribbles down to the scum (us, the public). In all fairness to LCR he's just ridden both, so he's best placed to give a reasonably informed opinion....more to the point i dont know how they all fucking do it! (get test rides on anything and everything) ive had one test ride in my life and the second one i went for they wouldnt let me as i mentioned i might buy a second hand one (which i did!)...
As i say i think the benchmark test will be the TT - the blade has always done well there....
i had the first blade two others inbetween and now the 2017 awesome bike, love all the electronics, mode two does me here in thailand, weve got some lovely twistys ... flat out in a straight line doesnt intrest me. beautiful build quality comfortable for a sports bike, plenty of useable power on the roads. bike of the year mcn say no more.
Great review!
Very accurate,
Honda,as a company makes very reliable,fairly expensive,very boring bikes across the board,all models are same,they dont compare to other companies bikes.
you need to be a real honda fan to buy one.
Good video thank you. I have to disagree to some extent, I take your points over the frame and swing arm but I’ve owned both models and I have to say they feel day and night different. This 2017 model has a different seating position, feels so much more compact and the extra engine tuning makes an unbelievable difference - more than you would think.
I was in touch with these cowboys at south coast honda , and was in the process of buying a honda fireblade sp1 , mainly dealing with Jamie , when contacted them to pay them for the new bike and arrange collection , they claimed that my bike had been mistakenly sold over the weekend ... I would be cautious dealing with them , things didn't add up ..
But on the bright side , I did get my Sp1 , which was a better deal .. :) great bikes , nice review ...
I own 1- of the very rare 2017-SP2 here in the USA, its an incredible bike for Street or Track!! It likes to be above 7,000rpm- and the Quick-Shifter is flawless up/down. Dont buy into the V-4 non-sense- to me its way to complex,which leads to a 8,000$ to have an exhaust installed(Ducati). who has the most Moto-GP wins ? HRC has 4x more than Ducati. Also i haven't had 1- issue with the bike, how many re-calls did the Ducati have already? Aprilla is un-reliable crap, they can't even get on the Podium,let alone win a race. HRC for the win!!!! 93 says so
Do you come to this video every couple months lol
Aprillia and Ducati are unreliable but so unique and enjoyable, this is great but meh. No different to a Yamaha or Kawasaki which are a little more exciting. Depends what you want from a bike, I want something that looks great (honda does nothing for me) and something that feels special. Reliability is third on my list.
MCN wet their pants over the SP1 fireblade, but to be honest each to their own. Everyone in the market for a 1000cc sports bike needs to test ride all of them and then make there choice, to be honest it's all about how much you can afford or want to spend, what you require from the bike and what bike you like the looks of, I recently had a test ride on the 2017 base model GSXR1000 and loved it, it was comfortable, handled, went like a GSXR does and was great for our UK roads but what do I know I'm not an MCN editor so I know jack or is it the other way round? Lamb chops does excellent honest reviews and I would take his advice over MCN any day, he just needs to take out the GSXR now!!!!
Thanks Aldred, taking GSXR out very soon!! Cant wait :-)
Just watched your video, very miss leading, to say the least,,
It may look same from outside(frame etc) but it is more than what meets the eye. 17 CBR1000RR is awesome.
Brilliant review mate, loved it as I think your probably one of the best people to review this bike and you gave a proper honest opinion. I'm going to try one out, not the SP though :)
+Sixth Gear Motorcycles thanks matey, I wanted to like it but was just disappointed... the stocker is the best buy for sure, or even better 2015 SP midel..
Im not a fan at all. Much prefer the now 'old shape' fireblade. Honda really seemed to have taken a backseat, lazy approach to the new blade. Much prefer the R1M, or RSV4 RF or even a 1299 for that sort of money. Not for me im afraid. What else are we gonna see being tested? ZX10RR? On a side note, video production, quality of edit, content and clip selection have been brilliant recently :D Loving it. Keep it up
In case you haven't noticed, Honda never gave a shit about styling. How is any of this a lazy approach when all that's shared is the block and frame? Everything on the bike is re-engineered and new. The stroke is different, the compression ratio is different, it has more power and different casing, lighter frame, different subframe. What more do you guys want?
it's 19 grand not 20 as you keep saying. and the extra cash gets you front brembos and ohlins front and rear suspension. and I'm pretty sure if you pulled the baffle on the exhaust you'd sort the lack of midrange pull as it normally does on inline fours.
I will agree with one thing however it is lazy after 3 versions of fireblade all using the same engine. but then again the previous model was regarded as having great road manners and handling and the best all round litre bike for doing all things. so if it aint broke don't fix it I guess.
sort of agree on the out the box exhausts. Should do what KTM do with their enduro bikes: sell it with a heavy can that will pass Euro4 but bundle in a "trackday" kit that releases all those horses hidden away and saves some weight too!
+Hippo-Drones yep exactly, keep the Ti headers they are great buy just use a cheap end can and keep the cat in the end can. It's exactly what Susuki have done with the gsxr
that sounds perfect, and sensible, and why don't they all do this???? :D
I guess it makes sense for the SP, since it's supposed to be race-ready from the dealer. Although the SP2 is... More race ready?
Great review brother I was gonna to buy an SP1 brand new for $16,000 because it’s been on the show floor a 2 years. So they marked it down some. But I’ll probably just get a CBR1000rr ABS for $10,999 brand new. They also have these 2017 models marked down too on the show floor of the dealership. Quality and durability I will go with a Honda.
just picked mine up for 10,700 USD (including all fees), a 2017 ABS black, zero miles.. Probably the best bang for the buck
@@CrusaderGeneral where did u get that deal
for 16 it honestly might be worth it, same with 10 thats a steal, all the ones listed on cycle trader have it listed for 20k
There all great bikes, I have the 2017 cbr1000rr and its a beast, rider makes the bike. I also have a 2007 gsxr 600 which the magazine's said it was at bottom of the pack that year, ive never lost to another 600 on it, they all get down just how you gonna put it down.
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps it was engineered to go fast.
Co M ever occur to you it ain't the best at doing that either?
99.9% of people couldn't ride a 2004 superbike to its limit on road or track. Save your money and buy used.
Agreed. People are irresponsible.
Uhhh, a lot of the updates made over the past decade were done so because of that fact. If you think the 2004 Fireblade is as user friendly as the 2017, you need to try some newer bikes my friend...
Of course more power and less weight is always more tempting to get you in trouble. =X
holden caulfied yep nailed it. I'm sure a '17 blade is more user friendly than an '08 blade. Is it 10k more user friendly? I doubt it. Would i be faster on it. No. If i had the money for a new one I'd still buy used and spend the savings on goodies.
olly killick good point but if no one buys new ones there won't be any second hand
This is true, but I think there will never be a shortage of suckers out there who are insecure enough to think that what they have is not enough. Willing to get $1000's into dept to satisfy their ego's demands.
Don't get me wrong, if you've got the disposable money it's a great way to have fun, but you can have just as much fun on older metal without owing the bank a penny.
Your in the wrong gear if you cannot pull out of a corner?
Really good as a road bike
I agree with you on the Honda ... To me The 2017 RSV4 is breathtaking !! Honda is slacking a lil.....
All the inline 4s are geared to high from the factory.
First thing i did with my 12 zx10r was to go -1 front +2 at the back.
No more problem pulling out of the corners :-)
MCN just voted the 2017 blade sp best in class, enough said and I'm a huge fan of the panigale rsv4 and s thou rr.....
A highly suspicious winner on that test as well.
Looks like I will be keeping my 2012 for a lot longer
Great review dude, thanks for the honest feedback. I love my Fireblade but tbh think Suzuki could be the bike to be on this year. I won't be chopping mine in mind 😊
Yeah the same bike ... only 90%of new parts ... common pal go ahead drive your Triumph
There's only one bike for me. The Fireblade.
if you were rich you would have 10 bikes.
The new Ohlins electronics suspension itself is worth 3k. So yes it is worth the price. If you're pretty tight on cash you can always take the standard Fireblade with the Showa forks and the Nissin calipers for what 16k? . Its called SP for a reason and its 15 kilos lighter than the European spec 2008 Fireblade. Also that titanium exhaust gives you as much hp as possible. The aftermarket cans are only able to extract 1 extra peak hp out of the new Blade so why would you even want to throw in a grand for a 1hp bump? As for the Suzuki, that thing weighs 8 more kilos on the new Blade while making 8 more horses?.
The v4 arrives next year but I'm going to write it here that everyone of you that's expecting it to be the "affordable" bike is going to be disappointed. The Honda VP has already stated in an interview that they're looking at a cheaper RC213V-S as an option. The other option is the track focused(or was it track only) RVF v4 at 25-30k.
I can already see a lot of whiners on social media bitch about that bike's pricing.
Could even be 40k Euros, the limit for a homologation bike for WSBK, possibly even just 500 made.
This bike is a great used bargain now though. I am thinking of getting my first sports bike and looking at 1/2 year old SP's. There is even a brand new (old model) SP at the distributor in Dublin for €19,000
The Japanese are known more for effeciency and practicality and of the 4 Japanese bike makers Honda most of all. It seems the Fireblade has always been about balance and giving the rider a feeling of the bike being an extension of the body where you forget about the bike and focus on the task. I see this similar to a fine Katana sword that is perfectly balanced and sort of disappears in your hand. In contrast, Euros, home of the broadsword, are more about creatin a feeling of being overwhelmed and exitement. Different strokes for different folks.
+TrackSol yeah true but really RSV4 is so easy to ride it's incredible and more comfortable than the blade which I cut from the review as didn't want to make the whole review about a comparison which it already is haha. I have been won over by the RSV4 and am looking foward to trying the Factory tuono in a couple of weeks 😎😎
TrackSol Very interesting point my friend
I think Honda wanted to make a complete bike with a great exhaust, that actually sounds epic,- my SP-2 should be here soon!!- I didn't want to go Aprilla, iam getting to old for bikes that will give me issues!!!
Every model they bring out they do the minimal they can so they can squeeze as many models out as they can. It’s all about business. They make more money making 10 tweaked versions of the same bike rather than making one model as hectic as they can. They could of made this bike with carbon fibre wheels, frame, body work, super lightweight engine, swingarm, 250Hp+ engine etc etc but would only make 1/4 of money. It’s AAALLLLL about money bro!
Why do you keep comparing a straight 4 1000cc bike with V4 1100cc bike? One is a sports bike, the other is naked. You should do a review of a product that has it's intended use, and if you wish to compare it to another product, pick one that's in it's class. Don't think I'm talking down on you, I like what you do, you're good at it and I'd only like to see you do it even better. Cheers!
+veltruski sorry I'm comparing to the RSV4 the Aprilia sports bike which is in direct comparison with the blade. Your thinking of my Aprilia Tuono review 👍
Yes, you're right! :)
Worth paying £12k more than a decent used Blade? 😳 There’s a reason they’re going for £99 a month on PCP.
Yeh the gearboxes are shxt they can't move them
Just needs tweaking, new exhaust system and a remap, will iron out flat spots and increase pull outa bends and you won’t be disappointed even with the extra cash. 😎👍
Comparing the sp fireblade to the rsv4 rf imo is a bit odd since the rsv4 rf is still another few grand more expensive (at lease here in Australia), and I think as a road bike the sp blade has a lots more going for it compared to the rsv4. The active suspension is far more useful to riders than an extra few bhp imo. Most riders are not going to tell the difference between 195 and 200bhp. Overall the sp is much thinner and lighter than the rsv4 which will make it better to use on the road and around town. You mentioned the sp was a bit boring, but was it actually bad at anything? I think making a bike that is really easy to ride and ride quick straight away is a very difficult thing to achieve. In your rsv4 rf video, I saw that initially the bike was a bit hairy for you. Would you say that’s good character or unrefined?
Great review but I do think you’ve focused on the engine more so than the other more important changes they made. I sort of get the impression that if the blade sounded better/more exciting your opinion might change. I agree that it’s frustrating that a full redesign wasn't done but a euro 4 bike that is 195kg wet is incredible. Maybe ride them both back to back around town and make another video if you get a chance. I think on low speed stuff is where you will see the big differences between them.
+Kaustubh Dongre thanks for the detailed reply, the RSV4 wasn't as fast flat out as the Blade and due to the engine response made a much better road bike as has instant torque no need to work the gears. It was also slightly more comfortable than the blade with lower pegs and also thinner as the V4 engine is very compact. The blade may make a better track bike as more power flat out than the RSV4. Also the Aprilia suspension was amazing even though it was non electronic. In the UK RSV4 is only £750 more than the blade so really a direct comparison on price
If that's the price difference in the uk then bloody oath the aprilia would be the way to go. i reckon if they put the electronic suspension on the rsv4 it would complete it.
The linear torque of the RSV4 engine might make it feel less powerful than the 'blade but that is not actually true - the UK version of the RSV4 puts out something like 184whp which is very close to the rated *crank* horsepower of the 'Blade and within a few hp of the S1000RR. But I guess we'll have to wait for some magazine to cobble them all together and do a common test.
u complain so much gandpa...its the best bike in the world and see how u complain..!!!
nice vid chops when you straddling the gixer
+tony donovan should be in the next few weeks! 😎😎
Bearing in mind these are now down to £11k, are these now a bargain? With an 11k budget and riding mainly road and a few track days a year it’s either a 2017 S1000RR, this SP or a 2018 Tuono Factory. Currently have a S1000R and I’m quite a beefy bloke so thinking Tuono is the one. Thoughts Chops?
the Sp models are about 14-15k(you could even low ball them and get them better probably) they are a STEAL. He makes it sound like they changed nothing, but he's kind of making it sound worse than it is. It hands better than any other blade, the suspension is so nice, the blipper is so nice, and the power modes and total control you have over every aspect of the bike. He didnt play with the modes, you really get 3 different bikes in those power modes, each feels drastically different. And the frame MAY be similar, but its NOT the same frame/swingarm/subframe, all are lighter and better, along with a titanium tank. One part I will agree with is that for the price I would like to see braided lines and a brembo MC, the zx10 is cheaper and includes them, therefore honda could have done the same on such a special bike.
What did you go for lee Richardson?
@@kashy1116 none yet. Moved house instead lol. Still got my S1000R 👍
Glad to say I’ve just got my self a sp1 .can wait to pick it up and out of the 100 reviews I’ve seen yours is the only shit one.
Gareth Davies I have the base model because I don’t plan to take it to the track. The bike is stupid fast and I don’t regret my purchase. The quality of Honda is amazing
Edwin Ramos can beat a Honda there reliable well built and a good all rounder. I do track my bikes can’t wait to get it on see what it can do . Although I will never get the full potential out of it . You know what it’s like us boys love our toys 😁
@@Dirtdogging I do love my CBR1000RR it is my baby . I have not take the bike to the track. I only have 5 years riding
@@Edwin6932 I know the feeling I would sleep with mine if the wife would have her in the bed with us. Iv been riding 3 years first went on track two weeks after passing my test. Get her on the track that's what she's built for you will be smiling from ear to ear
great honest review. thanks.
Love the looks of the SP
So between this and the New GSXR 1000, what do u think? The gsxr seems much more thrilling
+chris s yes my money would go on the GSXR and I'm a man who owns a blade! Honda does everything very well but it doesn't have any character, it's a bit soulless. The GSXR is more burley a bit of a brute and keeps you on your toes 😀
Just FYI check the latest MCN group test, spoiler Honda wins, I could not believe it!
Bernard winner for fastest in track, even mcn didn't show the detail time in the video, also what tires are they running and who is the rider for every bike
Bonifasius Edwin same tires and rider on all bikes, watch the video...
If you compare two bikes don’t you think it’s a good idea you ride them both?? This wasn’t a comparison video. It was a “I try the new CBR” video.
great review ! very informative ! i have alot of character and punch on my ninja zx10r which becomes a beast at the higher revs thx
was waiting for this one!!!
Matt Delahoussaye good honest review I thought buddy 😊
Tuscan Moto who's this??
+Matt Delahoussaye yeah sorry Matt not that Honda fan friendly in the end! But have to say it as I see it or what's the point. It's a good bike but not worth 19k is the bottom line
Lamb Chop Rides don't be sorry! I completely agree with you :)
+Tuscan Moto I think if I hadn't riden the RSV I probably would have enjoyed this much more.. but the V4 makes an incredible road bike, on track probably blade works better as you can keep it in the power where it loves to be. On the road you just can't do that, well not if you don't want to end up in jail!
Your making me want a 2010 Fireblade even more!
"Flat flat flat flat"... You're at about 4K RPM mate 😂
of course, 6th gear 190mph gear ratio and 30mph speed... doesn't pull...
Alessandro Cassara exactly my point...
Alex Horky everyone now is making reviews, but triyng a bike for one hour don't let you have time to understand really well how it works, especially a 195 hp bike, you risk not to use it for the purpose it is made for.
i understood my cbr after 4 months, when i discovered tha the more i was brutal the more it felt comfortable and all worked well...
those reviews are ridicolous, a brake sistem af this kind should be tesyed by multiple stopping by 180mph.... just in this situation you can tell if it fades or not....
I hope i wrote in correct undertandable english before
Alessandro Cassara Yes I know. You’d have to have the bike for a while to review it properly, as you say.
Why do you do these reviews when its clear you cant take these bikes to the limit of handling.
Like most test rides, its what the test rider likes, easily fooled by a nicer sounding exhaust etc.
Dont get me wrong, Im thankfull you are making these vids, maybe a closer look all over the bike to give the viewer a good look at the bike
+dirty dog the idea of the reviews is to test how the bike is for the average rider on the street. Who cares how they are for pros. Watch a track review if you want to see that! And also not taking any bike to the max on the street it's not possible unless you want to die!! Also had a 2k retainer on the bike which I would loose if I dropped or crashed so wasn't going mental!
Are you sure this is built specifically to compete with the V4? Or is it just a new liter bike from Honda? 😂 Dumb thing to say dude.
"Flat flat flat flat flat!" Downshift if you want more power bro! Oh my God! 😂🤣☠️
MCN’s superbike shootout had the 2017 Blade SP1 as the pick of the bunch with the Aprilia ranked in5th place so maybe you got a lemon or perhaps your biased.
Or perhaps Honda pay MCN a lot of money for advertising and give them long term loan / test bikes whereas Aprilia do not
That’s very cynical of you.🙁
@@sk2283 I'd doubt it since MCN have always criticized the blade for being "boring" but they still appreciate that the blade is the best all round package. Reflected by the fact the fireblade has outsold every superbike by a long shot. P.s not a Honda fanboy I'm a Suzuki man.
@@markjackson7650 All these reviews are personal / subjective, I've been reading MCN for many years, maybe they are just Honda fans? Honda do have a lot of 'brand loyalty' or maybe it's financial, who knows ?!
@@sk2283 you're 100% spot on about the Honda brand loyalty. My dad for one wouldn't even consider anything else. Maybe because the only bike he bought that wasn't a Honda, a triumph trophy 1200, threw a leg out the bed and locked the back wheel.
Could you possibly fit anymore cliches into your lame 'journalism' ?
It's not the same frame and engine as the old bike, it has been re-worked. If it was the same then it would weigh the same.....
The quality on the Honda is light years ahead compared to the Aprilia yet the Aprilia is still more expensive............not even a contest which one will sell better...........
I think you will find I said the engine and frame were "Reworked" If your happy to spend 20k on a reworked 2008 bike then your the type of customer Honda are counting on... Unfortunately because of the Honda fan boys this bike will sell very well I have no doubt
You clearly don't like Honda....... nothing like some unbiased, quality journalism...........The Aprilia RSV has been around now since 2009, it has also been reworked, nothing new...........as has the S1000RR....the Panigale isn't exactly brand new either.......
Won't be the 'fan boys' that only buy it, it will be people that want a quality product that has been refined to an excellent point that buy it. They will also buy it because the sales, service and parts backup are excellent and also because the re-sale value is good and it is the least likely to let them down.............
I do like Honda I own a Fireblade!! I just think after 9 years waiting in anticipation for Honda to bill this as a "New" fireblade is disappointing, when you then add a £19250 price tag also it becomes very disappointing. I agree sales support etc very good indeed.
Look at what Suzuki have done with the GSXR, that's a "new" bike. Will be riding it soon so keen to see how it compares to the Blade...
The Suzuki is fantastic, a massive step forward.......it will sell big time and will probably land up being the superstock racer of choice......can't wait to see Dunlop on it on the roads this year.....
To call the new Blade a disappointment is harsh....the price tag is inevitable with all the gadgets, suspension & brakes on the bike......It is an extremely polished product ..........
1. This bike is absolutely amazing to ride. If you like the physical feeling of smaller capacity bike but the power of a bigger than this it!
2. It is not called a 'swinging arm'
3. The only real point he holds is the money spent on the stock can, but Honda have clearly done that to reduce weight on the stock bike to hold that edge. But if you're keeping this bike as a road only bike you could consider keeping it original anyway, it sounds decent for stock.
im tall so its not bike for me,its underpowered and way overpriced
@@bobanppvc might be different in other countries but in Australia it's the cheapest litre supersport by a long way.
And I would love to see anyone who's not a world known racer to use all that power outside of a track, providing you're in the correct gear.
@@duc9395 really?i know you in AUS pay some crazy prices on new machines.From factory its more expensive than BMW with blip shifter and ABS which is crazy for japanese bike
@@bobanppvc When I was hunting for a new bike a year ago before choosing my 939, the 2017 CBR1000 RR with a factory quickshifter with auto blipper and standard ABS was about 80% the price of a 2017 BMW S1000RR
The cheapest I saw blade was $20,000AUD which comes ABS standard here and the quickshifter was an extra $1000
The S1000RR,ZX10R, GSXR1000 were all comparitively more. most of them around $25000 and working near or over $30000 for full spec such as the ZX10RR and GSXR1000R
The CBR SP1 was just shy of $30000 though and the SP2 mid 30's.
edit: yeh you're actually on the SP. That's why it's so expensive. that also comes with a quickshifter and blipper standard.
you do realize that bike had no business on the street and you are to compare it to a BMWS1000RR you need to compare the price of only the base Blade with a qhickahifter slapped on. the bike you're on has forged wheels, titanium tank and much more to make it more appealing for hardcore racers on the track.
What gear are you in when you're opening it up at 6:20?? when ever I opened it up in the right gear I couldn't keep the front down.
Also the frame, swingarm, engine and much more on this bike went though drastic enhancements. The bike lost 35 pounds in 2017 and gained 14 percent in power to weight ratio. It also revs higher. The power is down when looking at it on paper but it's light and so darn nimble. It's no match for the V4 in the power department but I honestly think this is a far better bike than you make it out to be, just my opinion. But remember you could have jumped on the base model, you wouldn't have felt any differences riding it in the street and that's much cheaper.
@@bobanppvc How can a 180~ hp 1000cc bike could be underpowered!? What are you people riding,jet fighters?!
Just been voted Best in class by professionals, not weekend warriors
or LCR is
why are people obsessed with bhp
figures. even a bike with 100 bhp will do 0-60 in 3.5 secs so why ain't the blades 189 bhp enough
micropeen
william watson people like to have the "best" just a pissing contest really. My speed triple doesn't have no where near the power this bike has and it's already too much for the streets. full throttle going into second and I'm going fast enough to get arrested.
It matters more for top speed. Tracks with a long straight-away will have the gixxer roar past the rest.
Lamb chop, I beleave that your favorite cars are, Fia t- Alfa romeo- Lancia. and your Favorite Bike is Aprilia.
Great review. Please please dont stop being honest....read an MCN review and they'll rant on about how amazing it is til the cows come home. I can almost see your seeing it the same way as i see myself with my RSV4 (commented on that in that review) for the sake of an electronics package id much rather have my old 2010 rsv4 factory with the ton of mods that ive done than fork out possibly another 12k to get the latest and greatest....id rather throw 2k at mine and upgrade the ohlins forks to a higher spec. When i got the ecu reflashed that gave me the factory QS off the newer models...thats all i wanted...
I think if i owned a fireblade (especially yours) then i wouldnt bother or if i did id go for the older pre electronics sp model....i bet thats probably a snip now...
I will take the SP wheels and tft display for my 08. 8D
That is a good idea.
I have a soft spot for a honda. Will be interesting to see the comparison to the new GSXR. Suzuki seems to be a cheaper alternative with a little more wreckless abandon.
+prndownload yup me too! And at a great price also!
Great review LCR, how does it compare to the prev gen (2012) blade if you have ridden one ? Also will you testing the new GSXR?
+The Incredible Sulk I am riding the 2014 sp very soon, but it's very similar just ruined a bit by euro 4 in the mid range but nothing that can't be sorted
+Lamb Chop Rides look forward to your 2014 review, I have a soft spot for the old blade always been the underdog since 2009 yet still winning at motorsports, Gotta love an underdog
all honda have to do is stick a v4 in a cbr and im in the dealership throwing my wallet at the first salesman i see
+Yar D Blah yup agreed on that one!
yeh theyve been making inlines for years, maybe v8 or v12 imagine...
lamb I surprised at your thoughts , all the titanium all the light weight materials and the electronics and technology and don't forget the reliability factor with the fireblade , this bike has unbelievable brakes ,up and down quick shifter ,basically an upgraded evolution engine (reliability ) but the best part about the new CBR is how freaking small and flippable into every corner this little beast is !!!
you say Honda is lazy I say they took the best of old and new and made my next bike one of the cleanest ,sexy, lightest, monster for the road and track ..
no one can ever say anything bad about the fireblade at the track other then it's to easy to ride fast lmao it's always held its own and I keep up with new bikes until the new R1M and the S1000RR just take me at the end of Straits but they had an extra 25 HP maybe more since my bike was stock ... well I say the SP will be my new because I'm the guy that was hit by a truck a few weeks ago and shattered everything on my left side ,knee,wrist,shoulder so I'm hoping I can still ride ,I've talked to you about the tuano factory but this SP is in my heart ..... I really want to know the big difference between riding at the track and street with stock and SP1 and 2
Hi Matthew, its a good bike no doubt it is the price I have issue with when its competing with some real exotica. It feels just so similar to the old bike to ride, even the same top yoke to look at. Yes it was the best bike back in 2008 but all thats changed really is the electronics and some tweaking, the electronics are extremely good however. Its undoubtedly an upgrade from the old bike and long term may prove way more reliable than say an RSV4 but for fun on an hours blast just left me feeling disappointed :-( I wouldn't say its any easier to ride fast than the RSV4 either and not more comfortable. Its horses for course I guess, you pay your money and take your choice :-) My recommendation is try the RSV4 before you buy
you are right , the bike has no soul, rather boring. I will wait for this rumored v4 from Honda, been waiting since 2003, a spot on review
+axle s cheers Axle 👍
SP: Shit your Pants.. Awesome !!
I cant help thinking that everything has gone too electronics orientated , I would be forever playing with all the tech ... I think there is a lot to be said about not having rider aids ...
+aevans692 yes very true, I think there is something pure about riding without aids. But the latest electronics are incredible saying that...
I am sure that all the latest electrics are very good , will prob put some to the test sooner or latter , I guess I'm somewhat cynical about relying on a computer rather than my own ability ... lol for me it would def be a distraction :)
Will Ducati let you test ride a 1299? TBH that's the only sports bike that tingles my bits. For now I'm more than happy with my 1290R but maybe one day I'd consider one!
I saw a 17 registered Fireblade this evening, it looked so small! Or maybe I'm getting bigger!
+OldManTony all new bikes seem small... new gsxr looking bloody tiny!
I recently test road the CBR SP. Practically nothing happens until you are at 10,000rpm. Thats too dangerous for the road
+Jayden Valentine yes couldn't agree more!
Lamb Chop Rides am I right if I would state your old cbr has more low end usable torque than the new one?
Yes way more!! The SP could benefit from being geared down would make it more usable on the road. The 08 I rode with in this review had way more torque compared to the SP.
higher RPMs doesn't = higher speed. Drop a gear.
honest review, well done - can you take out the ktm super adventure s?
+Aldred Squash yes would like to try one... maybe I need to spend the day at my local ktm dealer...
I've not ridden the SP yet, but on reflection, I share your sentiments, 20K is too much for what is essentially the old bike with some weight saving. Last years SP was a hell of a lot cheaper (in fact cheaper than the new stock 'Blade) but it was missing a lot of things still.
Did you find at lower speeds it was a bit bogged down? Not sure if it is an exhaust thing or if a PC would be needed to remap things...
I will certainly be testing the new gixxer, as it will be either that or the 'Blade for me I think :-)
+metalhead18241 yes it's not very well setup for euro4, or they just couldn't get the engine working well with all the restrictions. An exhaust and a remap is a must! Which annoys me they have wasted money on titanium exhaust can! I think the GSXR could be the bike. .. let's see 😀
+metalhead18241 get yourself down cws for some RSV action 😉😉
Lamb Chop Rides Will do :-)
Mcn has the new blade as number 1 go read the mag
Some of the best on board (chesty) video I've seen in a while, but who the Fuck stops in the middl of the road for a chat???
Always enjoy your videos. How about for a bit of a change you take out a Harley ? I can imagine that would be a riot with you riding it !
+AP1964 that's a good idea AP... I quite fancy trying the fat boy or vrod 😀😀