I have this aspect with my friend (0°04)and I literally started to cry when we stopped talking for 2 days. A fear of loss is exactly how I would describe my feelings.
Extremely painful and extremely transformative. Imagine what growth can occur in a person when under immense pressure to either conform to someone else standards or when your told your truth is wrong. Lots. This one forces you to look deep deep into yourself to find out what your truth is and not be so easily influenced by other.
Thanks for making this video! I'm dealing with this aspect with someone right now. As someone with a very healthy pluto and scorpio interception these feelings are very unfamiliar to me but I think in a way that's helping me deal with it in a more positive and productive way. It's hard not to let those jealous feelings take hold of you. I want nothing but the best for this person but deep seated old traumas and wounds are definitely coming to the surface. It's important to not demonize the partner you share this aspect with and also realize they're going through the same issues. Take a step back and realize everything that's coming out isn't the other persons "fault" but things you yourself have to deal with-and deal with them alone. When those jealous feelings take hold of me and I can't see clearly, it's important to take a step back and distance yourself from the relationship and go through it alone. This can avoid a lot of emotional outbursts and immaturity misdirected at the other person. You have to take a lot of responsibility with this aspect. Move at your own pace.
Such good analysis, as i encountered this aspect with someone. It lasted 3 months bc all the darkness came out, but I love her as a friend and a human being. We both have trauma that needs to be worked out. She showed me a lot of my trauma that I needed to heal.
I have a 12 years happy marriage, though we have square Pluto with Moon. There is some possesiveness and gealousy, but we also have Sun and Venus in 7th house, so I believe it depends how the other aspects balance the relationship.
Thank you for commenting this! I have this with someone but we also have sun in libra in the 5th and moon in sag in the 7th. Was afraid because of this video! But thanks for the positive feedback!! 🖤🙏🏽
That's odd, I have this with my partner in both the composite and davison, but it's been a pretty amazing relationship with a lot of freedom and generosity.
It may work for your personalities. You have to consider who is participating in a particular dynamic. Some people do way better with a hard aspect than others. I have had this one too in a composite chart a couple times and it went well with one and was painful in the other. Its usually painful for most people.
I was in a 10 year marriage with this aspect. It's was HELL. But it was also the catalyst to my greatest transformation. I became the best of myself. But the relationship dissolved. But it was incredibly hard to leave. It broke me down to nothing and from there I rebuilt myself into a more whole and healthy person.
I have moon square Pluto Natal so these types of relationships are the basics of what I attract. Once I gotta into astrology with composite charts I’ll attract at least 2 of these relationships a year. They always start the same way you can almost feel the emotional ties pulling you together and once you’re together and “immeshed” into the emotional addiction it just starts to descend into attachment and fear and almost being forced to talk out things that you’ve been holding on to for years. I’ve been healing over the years so when I see these aspects I have to stay away from it. only because I’ve focused on not suppressing my Pluto but using my Pluto as strengths to help me ascend. So when I see it pop up as an aspect I just know to remain aloof and not engage in the psychological dance that comes with it. I always take it lightly.
I have this in the composite of my partner of 27 years. It's bred a fair bit of paranoia on my part, fear that he doesn't love me or will abandon me, despite his best efforts to prove me wrong! We also have sun inconjunct moon in the composite, so I think we do often feel alone in the relationship. It seems to me that those nice Venus/moon aspects keep a thing going and bring a lot of unconditonal love, even when there is bad stuff going on. On the plus side with this aspect, I've talked a lot about my childhood issues with him and he's always listened and been with me as I've worked through trauma. I agree this is a very difficult aspect, I also think it's quite karmic as well.
What a synchronicity! Today in the morning i saw a notification on my phone about this video, i remembered i had this aspect with my ex that haven't seen for years, and by the end of the day i just saw him by chance! It's weird but thank you for your videos anyway!
it is a very interesting aspect. In my experience I have been with my partner for 4 years, There is definitely a level of intimacy like no other. It has a color like no other but we havent worked out of fear, more like have transformed so much individuality as well as a couple. We are both Aquarius and freedom/identity are extremely important to us. There is defenitily a more transformative aspect to it but i do not resonate too much with this one!
That’s a relief to hear😩 maybe there’s some hope. I like this guy and we have it in synastry as well. I really like him but this description makes me think twice lol
I feel like a part of it is definitely about how healthy you are with your personal Pluto. My friend and I who have this aspect in composite have a lot of the same Plutonic issues at home; we’re kind of like fugitives who mutually understand some of our tendencies over day to day living as stemming from those Plutonic home issues and there’s no blockages around talking them out (Venus & Mercury trine Pluto)
I have been waiting for this video. I have this aspect with my partner and it is intense. Lots of past trauma resurfacing and working through. Really working through my attachments issues for better or for worse
That’s interesting. I can share something about this aspect from a perspective of completely non-romantic dynamic. I have it with my mother and strangely, I have never had it in composite with anyone else. Guess I find it... repulsing? After living this all my life... You see, I know my Mum loves me, I love Her as well, still I would rather die than live with Her under the same roof ever again. You said that fear drives these relationships, I don’t know, maybe, but if so it’s very hidden. For me I always felt like my relationship with Mum was based on survival and jealousy. This sounds horrible but I get it, I got all the chances to achieve everything she dreamt about, many thanks to her, but I went so much further than she did... and she’s not a sort of person who really likes to see other people succeed, leaving her behind. Oh, and the survival part. She wanted to have me because she was depressed and decided she needs a child to give her life a meaning, what’s even stranger is that she claims it worked. Well, maybe for her it did, I still don’t think it’s a good idea for the actual kid - to bring him/her into the world in order to save the mother from despair and suicide. Don’t do it people, therapy exists for a reason. And so does this aspect in our composite, I guess.
I have been totally unconscious up until about a year ago...we are 31 and 32 off and on since 14 and 15. Me waking up triggered him to wake up so now we are in the transition. We are both are plutonic people and it has been a challenge but also very cathartic on a soul level. You have to be aware of the power and control that you have over each other and like...god how can I explain it...(ok I’m going twilight lol) it’s like you’re a vampire and the one you love is the finest blood pint you ever wanted to taste...but you love them...so you can’t taste them but you want to sooooooooooiooo bad but you would devour them. So you have to tread lightly. They’re triggering tf out of you, but you have to learn control and how to heal. It’s very delicate but heavy at the same time. In synastry we have the trine so it’s more cathartic but there are plutonic patterns we have had to learn from. Houses are pluto in Scorpio conjunct ascendant square Aquarius moon 4th house. I have moon sextile Pluto and he has moon trine Pluto natally
Can you say to me please what moon sun and pluto positions and aspects you have in davison? I have smth really alike as you wrote by aspects but in davison
Dang good description! I’m celibate and my boss and I are extremely attracted to each other. You described VERY perfectly what we feel. We’re treading ever so lightly because we feel the amount of power between us. We also have Pluto conjunct venus in the 4th house opposite mars in the 10th. A lot of the tension is surely showing to our team 🤪 we’ll see if it ever goes anywhere. 😅 thanks for this comment though!! Hope yall are going strong’ 💪🏽
So true! Composite Moon Conjunct Jupiter too, no less... & my partners Natal Moon fell in my 8th House. Years & years & YEARS of painful grappling, neither of us could let go. I will say though, on the rare occasion we were both willing to become vulnerable at the same time, the tension dissipated like a charm... for a while. He's a Scorpio, I'm a Pisces. THE most difficult relationship ever. Thanks so much Jewel
I have this aspect with my partner and it is intense. We have been together for 3 years, A lot of transformation for the both of us, our fights can be intense but we are also very growth minded, we are very open and unconventional, culturally diverse, understand each other's wounds. We feel closer to each other having resolved so many issues so far so I think this actually helps us and brings us close. We both have pluto in the 7th house, not sure if that helps.
I'm so glad I discovered more about astrology because it has helped me make sense of so much not just in regards to others but also myself. Next year my parents will make 30 years together/married 23 years with this aspect. Their moon is very afflicted. Moon conj Venus with Mars, Pluto & Uranus squaring and let's just say as the oldest child I witnessed the more intense, toxic moments that happened between them. Abuse, manipulation, triangulation on both ends, constant separations followed by union. Both had substance abuse issues that amplified everything hence my Neptune in 4H. I recognized early on that they were toxic for each other (still are) but they always insisted on staying together because they "love" each other...At this point they just tolerate each other.
@@Sai-nl7uh are you sure he is your "boyfriend"? You may want to ask where you stand in the relationship. Also listen to how he introduced you to other people. If he say that you are his girlfriend, that's good. If he introduces you just by your name, that's bad.
@@amymccormick6568I’m with ya!! Uranus conjunct Mars would be a lot to work with in gaining security and closeness in a relationship. A blast to party with though 😅
Me and my husband had this.. Pluto in the 12th and moon in 2nd. We were together almost ten years. I don’t know how I could stand it for that long to be honest.
Having this with a parent is so challenging because it feels like I keep manifesting these same squares or conjunctions romantically and its like until I can handle this main relationship it will consistently play out.
My ex and I have this aspect we lasted 13 years. And I've met someone new with this same aspect it's not going well at the moment. But feels so intense, telepathic and magnetic moreso than my previous relationship.
Jewel could you please do a natal Venus conjunct the south node and how you think this can play out in relationships? Thank you 🙏🏼🌈 Also would be nice a natal Saturn conjunct the nodes. South and North. Nodes being so interesting. Saturn being such a pain. ☺️
I have this square in my current transit chart. It's one constant purge. My guy of interest listens from a distance and I think that saves us. For now.
Wow me and this man have Pluto square our moon and Jupiter in a t square but we have Venus and Mars conjunct trining and making positive aspects to moon sun and Jupiter and Saturn! I feel like my psychology is working on this Pandora’s box he is a Virgo ♍️ I’m a Gemini ♊️
my recent relationship was exactly like you said it’s so toxic we were both controlling and possessive with each other. It’s a long distance relationship so the jealousy monster really pulled us down to hell and exhausting. It lasts 1 year we broke up last month and I’m still traumatized
Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, two Dutch girls who went missing in the jungle in Panama in April 2014 had this aspect in their composite chart. Some of their remains and belongings were found the following June having washed down a river . The evidence seems to favour a case of their getting lost and then falling into a ravine and breaking some bones so they couldn't get out, but there are persistent speculations about a stalker being involved. I'm not an astrologer just someone with an interest in the subject but wouldn't nasty aspects between composite Moon and Pluto perhaps attract stalkers and other nasty perverts? At any rate not an aspect I would want in a composite or synastric chart!
Also, though technically my partner was the more Plutonic of the two of us, I have my South Node @29 Scorpio & I was the one who seemed to cope a little better & really wanted to work on things. If anyone has an idea, would a South Node in Scorp help heal & transcend a lot of this?? Thanks!
I have this aspect with my brother's fiancé, it is also conjunct asteroid Nemesis in composite 12th house. It is rough, there is always tension and an suspicious undercurrent. It is palpable.
Luna Laguna do you mind if I ask you how does it make you feel as you have this square in your natal chart as well? I’m in a “relationship” where we also have it in composite and synastry and he has it natally...he acts aloof like he’s not bothered with me...is it possible I’m the only one who feels this?🙏🏻
@@henrietadale5079 It's a while since you asked the question, but anyway,... no, I don't think you'd be the only one to feel it. I think it could be challenging for you both really because the Energy will be familiar to your partner but it's not the easiest to deal with, even so. They'll have more "practice" than you in coping, perhaps. It's very typical for Pluto (& Saturn, as an aside) to act aloof. It's a protective measure. That's just my 2 cents, I hope you two can work it through ;)
Ad Astra thank you so much for your response....I have a different partner now and we have this yet again in our synastry...his pluto squares my moon but this time it’s different he’s absolutely crazily in love with me. He has Scorpio moon and my Scorpio Venus loves it ❤️❤️❤️❤️ thank you so much! 💋💋💋💋💋💋
@@henrietadale5079 Sorry I didn't see your question sooner. For me having it with previous partners in my generation as well as natally, it is very emotionally intense for both people. The Pluto person can try to manipulate or hook in to the moon person, often at a subconscious level but not always. I've been the moon person at 0 degrees with someone and actually felt unsafe to let my guard down with them, scared even. At it's worse this aspect can indicate emotional abuse. At it's best it can be an intense emotional bond. Either way it's emotionally transformative, but not easy.
I have this with my best male friend. We’ve known eachother for 20+ years. Whatever we do, who ever we are seeing, we’re in always in contact with eachother and we’ve always had a great weakness to eachother. Never had a sexual relationship though, only kissed about 10 years ago. Last night he came to my house and told me how much heb felt attracted to me. But he’s in a relationship so... Complicated...
HAHA WTF im in that EXACT same position. the male best friend and we only kissed once too plus him being in a relationship except i confessed. its driving me crazy and im so confused.
tell him it's inappropriate to say that to you when he's in a relationship. if you were to get with him and you know he's like this, you'd be insecure dating someone who does this.
My husband and I have this aspect and we are together for 7 years, living together 4 years now. When I found out about this aspect I was scared. We have no problem with emotions and we help each other a lot with some straggles. Does this has to be a rule?
No! It's a VERY strong influence for sure, but there are other Aspects you may have to help out. As Jewel said, it's important to take both Natal Charts into consideration & besides, if you haven't seen the influence play out between you, then you're doing ok, right? =)
No, of course not. :) My husband and I have this aspect, together for 9 years. We each have Pluto in Scorpio in 10H, as well as natal Pluto trine Venus, which also shows up as a double whammy in our synastry. Our synastry also has a grand water trine/kite between Neptune 1H and Venus 7H. Overall very cathartic, transformative, and spiritual relationship. We look back to who we were when we first met and we've both changed dramatically because of each other, for the better. Others may not be able to handle this type of relationship, but for me, I can't imagine being in a relationship where I couldn't grow with my partner.
I have pluto in 4th square moon, merc, venus and sun in comp. They have pluto square asc natal and I have it conj my merc. He left me in the end after my emotional diplays every 2 weeks and said we are not compatible. He kept backing away and not saying anything to me, and he gave me bare minimum to begin with. He said he loves me, but it looks like he does not want me at all. Such a cold guy
Hi jewel, thank you again for taking the time to do another video...I have this square in composite and synastry with someone. He has this square natally. Moon in cancer square Pluto in libra...my pluto in libra is in conjunction with my sun...I am absolutely drawn to this relationship but he appears not bothered and quite avoidant...very secretive and would always tell Me things are not the way I think they are...but actions speak louder then words in my opinion. Is it possible to make it work? I am willing to put work into it..I stopped applying Pressure and I pulled back completely hoping and knowing he will Come back. We also have Venus conjuct pluto..I just can’t believe he doesn’t feel the same way as I do...I’m Venus in Scorpio he’s mars in Scorpio...
This is the most painful aspect to ever exist. We both have it natally and in our composite. I can only speak for myself - this placement is horribly painful. I break down in complete pain and anguish when we don't talk. I don't know what about this aspect instils this much pain. When we don't talk I have this overwhelming sadness, deep sorrow it's like someone has died that makes me breakdown for hours and days until we speak again and the pain goes away only for it to resurface two days later. This aspect has given me so much pain both in my natal and our composite chart to the point where I have complete PTSD when it comes to it. I don't want to ever look at another composite chart in my life out of immense fear that I might have this with someone else in the future. I don't want to experience this ever again. The Internet idealises it but only you say it for what it is. This aspect is painful. Period point-blank. The extreme fear of abandonment and the pain this forsaken aspect causes is something out of a nightmare that never ends. I never ever want to feel like this again. Imagine crying a heart-stabbing cry, imagine crying a heart-wrenching cry that no tears seem to quench. This right here is the cause. Moon square. Pluto. It's scary because we are platonic and it's this BAD. I can't even imagine what intimacy will cause. The only thing I can hope is that he feels the same way, it will make my cross light to bear. I pray to find healing from this and renounce it until it's not a part of me. The pain is unbearable. PS, I think what heightens the pain is the fact that already a natal Moon square Pluto is very very very painful. Combine that with a composite chart and it becomes an anguish factory. Once again, I can only hope he hurts in the same way I do. It will make my cross lighter.
We have moon trine pluto in synastry, moon Quintile pluto composite and moon square pluto in davison. Natally Im a moon trine pluto. What does it mean how can all be simultaneously true?
Hey guys, what do you think is it even possible for a person who has plutonic aspect(s) in the natal chart to be drawn to a person to whom they will not be sharing similar plutonic aspects in the composite? I have moon (10) opossite pluto (4), done so much of a shadow work, and just as I thought and being so sure that I resolved some issues I met a person having this sqaure in composite. Everything that Jules said is so true and on point. Im just wondering will I be ever able to enter the relationship without this? Any experiences? And why do I find those other relationships "boring"?
I feel like it’s definitely possible. Cause the plutonic energy can come through different forms. For ex: If you don’t have those aspects with someone in synastry/composite, maybe if the person has enough Pluto in their own chart that might be enough to give you that dose of Pluto and the passion you’re looking for 🤔
Ithink us ppl withheavy pluto in our natals individually and thus together in synastry and composites are narcissists,,, Regular love isssssss boring. so as Jewel said these plutonic relationships are tasty! They make us feel... DOPAMINE! It hurts but in a satisfying way in my opinion... I think we are narcs and only narcs can handle each other!
Adrienne James Mhhh inconjuncts are so interesting. They’re laden with gifts but only after you do the work. Inconjunct signs don’t see each other. So the moon (cozyness/heart) of the relationship doesn’t see the need for revolution and plutonic disrobing. And Pluto doesn’t see how to be cozy in that search for deepness. But the connection is there IF it’s worked consciously. Then it has a lot of gifts. That’s the deal with inconjuncts. Called also “the fingers of god” for that reason. So work on joining heart and cozy with deep compassionate dismantling of fears and traumas. ❤️ learn to be comfortable in the naked depths of sharing heart wrenching trauma. Sounds like a bad movie. But it’s such a gift. :-)
Why might this square occur in a parent/child composite? I have this with my dad, as well as multiple other Pluto squares, and this very accurately describes patterns in our relationship and the knowledge may be invaluable in helping me to heal it. I don’t know how he would respond to this video... I also have it with a new friend of mine and our conversations are like excavations of our souls. We have similar traumas. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to miss the emotional weight of the friendship and the yes, it is exhausting, but in the case of my friend and I, there is so much good there. We are constantly encouraging each other to heal and trying to dig one another new paths to come out the other side. I think the emotional material and the deep space for healing just pulls me back in and tethers me to the relationship, which in other aspects, would annoy me or have me thinking she’s just too much for me. I think we met each other at a time when we were both so aware of the amount of healing that needs to be done, and were doing the work individually, so we are using this square consciously and that potential for deep intimacy and care is being realized. Most of the time. Sometimes we are just projecting. With my dad, this square has worked unconsciously on us for most of my life, and the responsibility of repairing the damage dwarfs me sometimes... most of the time. Especially being the only party that has knowledge of Pluto, the only one with the ability to put a name to the heartbreak. Thank you for this video!
Samantha Anne Vigliotti loved your comment. Nice to see someone looking at Pluto consciously. I have this aspect with my son. He’s 11. We have our moments of intensity but we have so much depth in our connection. I’m way more conscious than my parents were. I’m sure we had squares in our synastry and composite. I’ve never bothered with their charts, I don’t need to, they were like open books in their traumas. I think I am repeating the placement so it can be healed. I’m banking that if I teach him how to be Plutonian in a positive way he won’t attract destructive Plutonian relationships. In the end, It’s not actually me who inherited that aspect. I have an unaspected Pluto (tons of Saturn squares instead ;-) but my natal ruler Venus in Scorpio and my moon and mercury in the 8th have given me more Plutonic encounters than I care to mention. Anyway I think the square occurs because it’s a family karma. But like anything I think it can be dealt with consciously and healed. 🍀 Glad to hear you found a Plutonian Freudian Friend ;-)
Dw in synastry and tight aspect in composite... I like him but I don’t want to go through such a psychological problems. Ive already been dealing with it for a while I don’t want it get worse. Im definitely jaded so this aint good for me, or possibly even him. But luckily for him he has no 12th house while I have a bunch. That’s too bad because I really liked him 😭
We will have this aspect in a 6 month in our progressed composite chart orb 0 degree and I’m dying to know that what we gonna feel about it and im scared sorry about my English
When you say evil, why can’t it all be growth even tho It might strong. I am the moon I am older than the Pluto is younger, I notice the Pluto comes towards me always to talk to me, I feel very calm, amazed that I am interested to someone, I do notice he doesn’t speak but he lets me speak. I don’t think it’ll ever be more than just casual conversations. But I am able to tap to the energy and I do feel like he might like me but he won’t say anything and he is in a situation where he Can’t start anything with Anyone, I do feel like he is hiding from his traumas. But I feel like I will be doing most of the work and I’ve done my own part and I don’t want to do anything else w anyone, unless they are emotionally mature. And I really don’t think he is. But who knows like I said I only talked to him in a casual setting.
Insightful video :) I'm still going to go for it! :) Lord be with me. 🙌 Scorpio south node in the 9th house, pluto in scorpio in 8th. My south node conjunct his north, 2 degrees. Composite pluto in 8th in libra, moon in Cap in 12th. Composite jupiter septile moon. Whatever happens, it was meant to happen- I will learn something and ultimately come out of it transformed and stronger, I'm imagining.... Destruction makes me more indestructible if I'm not afraid of it?
And saturn conjunct south node, natally ;) Maybe I'll cry about this all later and regret my words, but this is what I'm feeling in my gut, so... Here I go! :)
Elizabeth Hoover read my comment at the top of the feed to @Suzy asking for people who have had relationships with this aspect. I think it’s worth it. But read what I write about what placements can make it more workable. Already your composite moon in Cap is a good one, but look at the rest of your natal and synastry.
@@Alpha-Andromeda appreciate your thorough account of how it was for you! So far, so good. Whatever happens, I just feel like it is something I need to go with. Thank you so much for your perspective!
@@alebalessa77 i think he held on to guilt about certain things that happened in that relationship and was surprised that I was happy to see him. I let it go and considered it a learning experience but he ruminated about it for like 7 years. I always missed him anyway and believed in his character in spite of that. I guess it was cathartic for him to know that I don't want him to see that. I didn't even know he still thought of me at all!
Those with natal Moon-Pluto hard aspect could probably handle it. I'm assuming that's what Jewel means if you're right for this type of relationship, It's for you.
Henrieta Henrieta I would say the Moon-Pluto person would feel it and probably won’t be too fazed by it since they’re familiar with it in their natal chart. Regarding a partner that doesn’t have it in their natal chart; it may be too much for them and they end up calling it quits. That’s why Jewel says to always check the natal chart.
Lyn S. thank you so much Lyn, Do you think the person who has it nataly would not feel the connection? I have it with a guy and he doesn’t seem as invested as me and always holds the power. I’m Scorpio Venus with sun conj Pluto he has this square in his natal chart and also my Venus conjuct his pluto...when I want to leave he always changes my mind however when I’m in he doesn’t want to see me often...it’s very confusing...I’m deeply invested...
Henrieta Henrieta it’s really hard to interpret what’s going on without looking at both your natal, synastry and composite chart I’m afraid. I couldn’t tell you why he doesn’t seem invested. I study Magi astrology too which is what I could’ve used to discern why he isn’t as invested. Plutonian relationships are tough, especially if people aren’t evolved or if only one person is evolved. He’s probably not at your stage. So many reasons. Hope you understand
Lyn S. thank you Lyn, you are absolutely right. When I met him 2 years ago, he has triggered something inside of me which has changed me completely spiritually, physically and mentally. I have started to study astrology, tarot, manifesting and spirituality. It has shifted my consciousness to another level. I started to want more from life. I used to be a tv addict and I stopped watching tv completely. Lots of people told me I changed..when I asked him why he’s scared he said he is lost in his own head. He’s a cancer stellium but also has mars in Scorpio conj his satun. I cannot explain to you how we make each other feel when we are together it’s incredible. I can feel it from him as well, but then he always puts a break on and wouldn’t see me for 4 months..he is scared of the connection I know. I’ve spent 2 years being there for him but it’s time for me to stop doing it as you said, he’s not evolved but the problem is he doesn’t want to let the transformation happen due to fear or emotional vulnerability and that is such a shame...thank you for your Insight and your time to respond to me. ❤️🙏🏻
Hello, can someone explain me what I can await of these aspects: moon in 3 opposite venus in 9 the 2 planets square pluto in 6 ? In addition saturn in 6 is sextile sun, mercury and jupiter in 9. Don't know how to understand these aspects in composite. One is bad and one is good 🤷🏾♀️. For now, we have brutal separations (4 in 6 months) aa lot of hésitation from my parr. And it's an ascendant in taurus...fix sign and we are both ascendant taurus.
My sister and I have this.... idk 😐she’s the closest sibling I have but there are codependency issues that we both are ignoring issues and trying to work things out together to become more independent individuals. I’m the moon she’s the pluto. My pluto trines her mars in synastry. Both are moon in Aquarius’ I wonder how we can work things out. Overall we are pretty close as siblings and love and take care of each other.
You being the moon person and trining her Pluto with your mars you probably feel less comfortable than her in the relationship. But to pull away would only pull her more to you. You’d have to find something or someone she is interested in and let her slip into that new plutonic relationship with and activity or a person. Plutonic addictions, like codependent relationships can only be replaced by healthier alternatives, they can’t be deleted. A codependent person learns to be addicted to other things like their own independence and yoga or whatever. So you have to help her find a healthier or different addiction than you. 🌈
I have a doubt about this . How can we know who is moon and who is Pluto in a composite relationship. I'm highly confused at this part. Can anyone please explain
Nedriell Lopher lots of past trauma to work through. Depending on how conscious you both are it can be really rewarding and special or the worst can of worms you’ve ever opened. With the natal squares I think it can be challenging. But hey? What’s a little soul scar or two when you can have the deepest connection of your life? (Famous last words ;-)) Jokes aside, check your synastry. If there’s more hard aspects I’d walk away if I still could. That being said, if that’s something you need to work through, it will pop up again with the next partner. Up to you. 🍀
I have a doubt about this . How can we know who is moon and who is Pluto in a composite relationship. I'm highly confused at this part. Can anyone please explain
Well you should start by learning how to read a natal chart before going to the composite, I can’t explain to you if you don’t understand the basic of astrology, you have the answer of who play what in the natal, then you learn how to read a synastry and only then you go to composite.
This thing is painful. This thing is painful. This thing is painful. This thing is baaaaaddddd. Please tell me both people feel it. It feels like death and is death. God help me! We both have it natally. You saying both people don't stay together intensifies my pain. It's the fear of abandonment that worsens the pain and what I subconsciously operate from. Us not staying in contact is an unbearable pain because it is the impossibility of being together that causes this pain to begin with. What sadistic paradox is this forsaken placement. I hate it.
I am a very plutonian person, I have a 5 planet stellium in scorpio and I have this aspect as the only tension aspect in my composite with a guy I am dating, the whole chart is full of trines and sextiles. The problem here is they use c0ca1ne now and then and that's something I am not willing to negotiate, I don't want that in my life. I don't think he will leave it so I cannot have a deeper relationship with him :(
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I came here to cry.
lmao same xx
Same
Me too
Sameeeeeeeeee
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I have this aspect with my friend (0°04)and I literally started to cry when we stopped talking for 2 days. A fear of loss is exactly how I would describe my feelings.
Extremely painful and extremely transformative. Imagine what growth can occur in a person when under immense pressure to either conform to someone else standards or when your told your truth is wrong. Lots. This one forces you to look deep deep into yourself to find out what your truth is and not be so easily influenced by other.
Thanks for making this video! I'm dealing with this aspect with someone right now. As someone with a very healthy pluto and scorpio interception these feelings are very unfamiliar to me but I think in a way that's helping me deal with it in a more positive and productive way. It's hard not to let those jealous feelings take hold of you. I want nothing but the best for this person but deep seated old traumas and wounds are definitely coming to the surface. It's important to not demonize the partner you share this aspect with and also realize they're going through the same issues. Take a step back and realize everything that's coming out isn't the other persons "fault" but things you yourself have to deal with-and deal with them alone. When those jealous feelings take hold of me and I can't see clearly, it's important to take a step back and distance yourself from the relationship and go through it alone. This can avoid a lot of emotional outbursts and immaturity misdirected at the other person. You have to take a lot of responsibility with this aspect. Move at your own pace.
Such good analysis, as i encountered this aspect with someone. It lasted 3 months bc all the darkness came out, but I love her as a friend and a human being. We both have trauma that needs to be worked out. She showed me a lot of my trauma that I needed to heal.
I have a 12 years happy marriage, though we have square Pluto with Moon. There is some possesiveness and gealousy, but we also have Sun and Venus in 7th house, so I believe it depends how the other aspects balance the relationship.
Thank you for commenting this! I have this with someone but we also have sun in libra in the 5th and moon in sag in the 7th. Was afraid because of this video! But thanks for the positive feedback!! 🖤🙏🏽
Made it about 2 years with this aspect now and going strong but OH BOI it is no joke! All of what you said is true. Deep work but it can be done
That's odd, I have this with my partner in both the composite and davison, but it's been a pretty amazing relationship with a lot of freedom and generosity.
It may work for your personalities. You have to consider who is participating in a particular dynamic. Some people do way better with a hard aspect than others. I have had this one too in a composite chart a couple times and it went well with one and was painful in the other. Its usually painful for most people.
thank god. i think the guy and i who have this will also be mature about it.
I was in a 10 year marriage with this aspect. It's was HELL. But it was also the catalyst to my greatest transformation. I became the best of myself. But the relationship dissolved. But it was incredibly hard to leave. It broke me down to nothing and from there I rebuilt myself into a more whole and healthy person.
how and why did it broke you down to nothing?
I have moon square Pluto Natal so these types of relationships are the basics of what I attract. Once I gotta into astrology with composite charts I’ll attract at least 2 of these relationships a year. They always start the same way you can almost feel the emotional ties pulling you together and once you’re together and “immeshed” into the emotional addiction it just starts to descend into attachment and fear and almost being forced to talk out things that you’ve been holding on to for years. I’ve been healing over the years so when I see these aspects I have to stay away from it. only because I’ve focused on not suppressing my Pluto but using my Pluto as strengths to help me ascend. So when I see it pop up as an aspect I just know to remain aloof and not engage in the psychological dance that comes with it. I always take it lightly.
Sammo G. Nice advice 🍀
Great insight, I can relate to that!
How do you stay aloof and not engage in it? How do you stay consistently distant?
@@mayas3096separating to understand your emotions allows you to stay aloof it’s the craziest thing.
@@mayas3096 I rather think you need to nurture the pluto side of yourself instead of running away when deep stuffs are resurging/upbringing
I have this in the composite of my partner of 27 years. It's bred a fair bit of paranoia on my part, fear that he doesn't love me or will abandon me, despite his best efforts to prove me wrong! We also have sun inconjunct moon in the composite, so I think we do often feel alone in the relationship. It seems to me that those nice Venus/moon aspects keep a thing going and bring a lot of unconditonal love, even when there is bad stuff going on. On the plus side with this aspect, I've talked a lot about my childhood issues with him and he's always listened and been with me as I've worked through trauma. I agree this is a very difficult aspect, I also think it's quite karmic as well.
Are you the moon or Pluto?
Can i ask if you have moon pluto in
Davison chart aspect and what kind of?
@@backup6599that’s synastry, this is talking about the composite chart
What a synchronicity! Today in the morning i saw a notification on my phone about this video, i remembered i had this aspect with my ex that haven't seen for years, and by the end of the day i just saw him by chance! It's weird but thank you for your videos anyway!
it is a very interesting aspect. In my experience I have been with my partner for 4 years, There is definitely a level of intimacy like no other. It has a color like no other but we havent worked out of fear, more like have transformed so much individuality as well as a couple. We are both Aquarius and freedom/identity are extremely important to us. There is defenitily a more transformative aspect to it but i do not resonate too much with this one!
That’s a relief to hear😩 maybe there’s some hope. I like this guy and we have it in synastry as well. I really like him but this description makes me think twice lol
Thank you for this comment! I love hearing positive things surrounding some aspects that are supposed to be difficult
Same. Him and I are both Aquarius. I agree that this aspect works in our favor.
I feel like a part of it is definitely about how healthy you are with your personal Pluto. My friend and I who have this aspect in composite have a lot of the same Plutonic issues at home; we’re kind of like fugitives who mutually understand some of our tendencies over day to day living as stemming from those Plutonic home issues and there’s no blockages around talking them out (Venus & Mercury trine Pluto)
I have been waiting for this video. I have this aspect with my partner and it is intense. Lots of past trauma resurfacing and working through. Really working through my attachments issues for better or for worse
Same. Oh wee. But it is rewarding and life changing work. Keep it up!
I’ve been waiting for this one!!! Thank you so much!!!
How deep is your feeling of aspects, always adores 💞
Invaluable information and interpretation! Thank you!
That’s interesting. I can share something about this aspect from a perspective of completely non-romantic dynamic. I have it with my mother and strangely, I have never had it in composite with anyone else. Guess I find it... repulsing? After living this all my life... You see, I know my Mum loves me, I love Her as well, still I would rather die than live with Her under the same roof ever again. You said that fear drives these relationships, I don’t know, maybe, but if so it’s very hidden. For me I always felt like my relationship with Mum was based on survival and jealousy. This sounds horrible but I get it, I got all the chances to achieve everything she dreamt about, many thanks to her, but I went so much further than she did... and she’s not a sort of person who really likes to see other people succeed, leaving her behind. Oh, and the survival part. She wanted to have me because she was depressed and decided she needs a child to give her life a meaning, what’s even stranger is that she claims it worked. Well, maybe for her it did, I still don’t think it’s a good idea for the actual kid - to bring him/her into the world in order to save the mother from despair and suicide. Don’t do it people, therapy exists for a reason. And so does this aspect in our composite, I guess.
I have been totally unconscious up until about a year ago...we are 31 and 32 off and on since 14 and 15. Me waking up triggered him to wake up so now we are in the transition. We are both are plutonic people and it has been a challenge but also very cathartic on a soul level. You have to be aware of the power and control that you have over each other and like...god how can I explain it...(ok I’m going twilight lol) it’s like you’re a vampire and the one you love is the finest blood pint you ever wanted to taste...but you love them...so you can’t taste them but you want to sooooooooooiooo bad but you would devour them. So you have to tread lightly. They’re triggering tf out of you, but you have to learn control and how to heal. It’s very delicate but heavy at the same time. In synastry we have the trine so it’s more cathartic but there are plutonic patterns we have had to learn from. Houses are pluto in Scorpio conjunct ascendant square Aquarius moon 4th house. I have moon sextile Pluto and he has moon trine Pluto natally
this is the comment! thank you for going Twilight lmao PRECISE
Can you say to me please what moon sun and pluto positions and aspects you have in davison? I have smth really alike as you wrote by aspects but in davison
Dang good description! I’m celibate and my boss and I are extremely attracted to each other. You described VERY perfectly what we feel. We’re treading ever so lightly because we feel the amount of power between us. We also have Pluto conjunct venus in the 4th house opposite mars in the 10th. A lot of the tension is surely showing to our team 🤪 we’ll see if it ever goes anywhere. 😅 thanks for this comment though!! Hope yall are going strong’ 💪🏽
I’ve waited two years for this one!!!! 🥺😭❤️
Happy New year to you Jewel!! What an aspect to start the new decade with!! 💖
So true! Composite Moon Conjunct Jupiter too, no less... & my partners Natal Moon fell in my 8th House. Years & years & YEARS of painful grappling, neither of us could let go. I will say though, on the rare occasion we were both willing to become vulnerable at the same time, the tension dissipated like a charm... for a while. He's a Scorpio, I'm a Pisces. THE most difficult relationship ever. Thanks so much Jewel
What aspects did you guys have in synastry? I have this with a Sag guy and Im a Pisces
I have this aspect with my partner and it is intense. We have been together for 3 years, A lot of transformation for the both of us, our fights can be intense but we are also very growth minded, we are very open and unconventional, culturally diverse, understand each other's wounds. We feel closer to each other having resolved so many issues so far so I think this actually helps us and brings us close. We both have pluto in the 7th house, not sure if that helps.
wow so interesting to hear thank you
I'm so glad I discovered more about astrology because it has helped me make sense of so much not just in regards to others but also myself.
Next year my parents will make 30 years together/married 23 years with this aspect. Their moon is very afflicted. Moon conj Venus with Mars, Pluto & Uranus squaring and let's just say as the oldest child I witnessed the more intense, toxic moments that happened between them. Abuse, manipulation, triangulation on both ends, constant separations followed by union. Both had substance abuse issues that amplified everything hence my Neptune in 4H. I recognized early on that they were toxic for each other (still are) but they always insisted on staying together because they "love" each other...At this point they just tolerate each other.
My parents have this aspect in their composite chart. You can't separate them, and it's not always a good thing.
Do they fight a lot?
@@Sai-nl7uh not really fight. More like, "you don't really care about me! If you do, show it."
@@amymccormick6568 oh, me and bf have uranus conjunct mars and sun opp saturn too :((((
@@Sai-nl7uh are you sure he is your "boyfriend"? You may want to ask where you stand in the relationship. Also listen to how he introduced you to other people. If he say that you are his girlfriend, that's good. If he introduces you just by your name, that's bad.
@@amymccormick6568I’m with ya!! Uranus conjunct Mars would be a lot to work with in gaining security and closeness in a relationship. A blast to party with though 😅
It's been 10 years. I'm the moon and she is pluto. I just cant let go. Never loved someone so much
but It is composite, no synastry
Me and my husband had this.. Pluto in the 12th and moon in 2nd. We were together almost ten years. I don’t know how I could stand it for that long to be honest.
I love your videos ♥️ pls make a video composite venus opposite mars!!
Having this with a parent is so challenging because it feels like I keep manifesting these same squares or conjunctions romantically and its like until I can handle this main relationship it will consistently play out.
Great thank you
My ex and I have this aspect we lasted 13 years. And I've met someone new with this same aspect it's not going well at the moment. But feels so intense, telepathic and magnetic moreso than my previous relationship.
why telepathic? what is your experience
Jewel could you please do a natal Venus conjunct the south node and how you think this can play out in relationships?
Thank you 🙏🏼🌈
Also would be nice a natal Saturn conjunct the nodes. South and North. Nodes being so interesting. Saturn being such a pain. ☺️
I have this square in my current transit chart. It's one constant purge. My guy of interest listens from a distance and I think that saves us. For now.
Wow me and this man have Pluto square our moon and Jupiter in a t square but we have Venus and Mars conjunct trining and making positive aspects to moon sun and Jupiter and Saturn! I feel like my psychology is working on this Pandora’s box he is a Virgo ♍️ I’m a Gemini ♊️
my recent relationship was exactly like you said it’s so toxic we were both controlling and possessive with each other. It’s a long distance relationship so the jealousy monster really pulled us down to hell and exhausting. It lasts 1 year we broke up last month and I’m still traumatized
Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, two Dutch girls who went missing in the jungle in Panama in April 2014 had this aspect in their composite chart. Some of their remains and belongings were found the following June having washed down a river .
The evidence seems to favour a case of their getting lost and then falling into a ravine and breaking some bones so they couldn't get out, but there are persistent speculations about a stalker being involved. I'm not an astrologer just someone with an interest in the subject but wouldn't nasty aspects between composite Moon and Pluto perhaps attract stalkers and other nasty perverts? At any rate not an aspect I would want in a composite or synastric chart!
Wow! This is deep. Thanks!
I have this in a multi composite chart with my dad & brother. It has always felt like a toxic family environment.
Also, though technically my partner was the more Plutonic of the two of us, I have my South Node @29 Scorpio & I was the one who seemed to cope a little better & really wanted to work on things. If anyone has an idea, would a South Node in Scorp help heal & transcend a lot of this?? Thanks!
I have this aspect with my brother's fiancé, it is also conjunct asteroid Nemesis in composite 12th house. It is rough, there is always tension and an suspicious undercurrent. It is palpable.
Thanks, Jewel -- this is so interesting. I would love to hear your thoughts on Composite Moon Quintile Pluto. Thanks!
My husband and I have this in the composite, both ways in synastry and I have it natally. Emotionally exhausting to say the least.
Luna Laguna do you mind if I ask you how does it make you feel as you have this square in your natal chart as well? I’m in a “relationship” where we also have it in composite and synastry and he has it natally...he acts aloof like he’s not bothered with me...is it possible I’m the only one who feels this?🙏🏻
@@henrietadale5079 It's a while since you asked the question, but anyway,... no, I don't think you'd be the only one to feel it. I think it could be challenging for you both really because the Energy will be familiar to your partner but it's not the easiest to deal with, even so. They'll have more "practice" than you in coping, perhaps. It's very typical for Pluto (& Saturn, as an aside) to act aloof. It's a protective measure. That's just my 2 cents, I hope you two can work it through ;)
Ad Astra thank you so much for your response....I have a different partner now and we have this yet again in our synastry...his pluto squares my moon but this time it’s different he’s absolutely crazily in love with me. He has Scorpio moon and my Scorpio Venus loves it ❤️❤️❤️❤️ thank you so much! 💋💋💋💋💋💋
@@henrietadale5079 Sorry I didn't see your question sooner. For me having it with previous partners in my generation as well as natally, it is very emotionally intense for both people. The Pluto person can try to manipulate or hook in to the moon person, often at a subconscious level but not always. I've been the moon person at 0 degrees with someone and actually felt unsafe to let my guard down with them, scared even. At it's worse this aspect can indicate emotional abuse. At it's best it can be an intense emotional bond. Either way it's emotionally transformative, but not easy.
@@henrietadale5079 You're so welcome! I'm glad you're happy now ;) Thanks for your reply too, shine on!
I have this with my best male friend. We’ve known eachother for 20+ years. Whatever we do, who ever we are seeing, we’re in always in contact with eachother and we’ve always had a great weakness to eachother.
Never had a sexual relationship though, only kissed about 10 years ago.
Last night he came to my house and told me how much heb felt attracted to me.
But he’s in a relationship so...
Complicated...
HAHA WTF im in that EXACT same position. the male best friend and we only kissed once too plus him being in a relationship except i confessed. its driving me crazy and im so confused.
@@SilverGreenEyes18 as she should. he is with someone.
tell him it's inappropriate to say that to you when he's in a relationship. if you were to get with him and you know he's like this, you'd be insecure dating someone who does this.
My husband and I have this aspect and we are together for 7 years, living together 4 years now. When I found out about this aspect I was scared. We have no problem with emotions and we help each other a lot with some straggles. Does this has to be a rule?
No! It's a VERY strong influence for sure, but there are other Aspects you may have to help out. As Jewel said, it's important to take both Natal Charts into consideration & besides, if you haven't seen the influence play out between you, then you're doing ok, right? =)
No, of course not. :) My husband and I have this aspect, together for 9 years. We each have Pluto in Scorpio in 10H, as well as natal Pluto trine Venus, which also shows up as a double whammy in our synastry. Our synastry also has a grand water trine/kite between Neptune 1H and Venus 7H. Overall very cathartic, transformative, and spiritual relationship. We look back to who we were when we first met and we've both changed dramatically because of each other, for the better. Others may not be able to handle this type of relationship, but for me, I can't imagine being in a relationship where I couldn't grow with my partner.
Love these comments!! Thank you so much!!
How are your natals charts with Pluto?
Could you pleease make about Nessus square Venus in Composite chart?
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I have pluto in 4th square moon, merc, venus and sun in comp. They have pluto square asc natal and I have it conj my merc. He left me in the end after my emotional diplays every 2 weeks and said we are not compatible. He kept backing away and not saying anything to me, and he gave me bare minimum to begin with. He said he loves me, but it looks like he does not want me at all. Such a cold guy
Hi jewel, thank you again for taking the time to do another video...I have this square in composite and synastry with someone. He has this square natally. Moon in cancer square Pluto in libra...my pluto in libra is in conjunction with my sun...I am absolutely drawn to this relationship but he appears not bothered and quite avoidant...very secretive and would always tell
Me things are not the way I think they are...but actions speak louder then words in my opinion. Is it possible to make it work? I am willing to put work into it..I stopped applying
Pressure and I pulled back completely hoping and knowing he will
Come back. We also have Venus conjuct pluto..I just can’t believe he doesn’t feel the same way as I do...I’m Venus in Scorpio he’s mars in Scorpio...
He is telling you that he is not emotionally available. Listen to him.
Truth In Aspect Astrology/ Jewel thank you Jewel. As sad as it is, I will listen. Thank you for responding ❤️
what's happening now ? :)
YESS!!!
What ORB do you use for this aspect? Thank you for this video🌟
Sheena Holly probably 10 degrees. But no more. And the tighter the more intense it will feel. Applying more intense than separating.
can u do moon square saturn composite & composite jupiter in ascendant
Hi Jewel, does this apply to the sesquisquare as well?
This is the most painful aspect to ever exist. We both have it natally and in our composite. I can only speak for myself - this placement is horribly painful. I break down in complete pain and anguish when we don't talk. I don't know what about this aspect instils this much pain. When we don't talk I have this overwhelming sadness, deep sorrow it's like someone has died that makes me breakdown for hours and days until we speak again and the pain goes away only for it to resurface two days later. This aspect has given me so much pain both in my natal and our composite chart to the point where I have complete PTSD when it comes to it. I don't want to ever look at another composite chart in my life out of immense fear that I might have this with someone else in the future. I don't want to experience this ever again. The Internet idealises it but only you say it for what it is. This aspect is painful. Period point-blank. The extreme fear of abandonment and the pain this forsaken aspect causes is something out of a nightmare that never ends. I never ever want to feel like this again. Imagine crying a heart-stabbing cry, imagine crying a heart-wrenching cry that no tears seem to quench. This right here is the cause. Moon square. Pluto. It's scary because we are platonic and it's this BAD. I can't even imagine what intimacy will cause. The only thing I can hope is that he feels the same way, it will make my cross light to bear. I pray to find healing from this and renounce it until it's not a part of me. The pain is unbearable. PS, I think what heightens the pain is the fact that already a natal Moon square Pluto is very very very painful. Combine that with a composite chart and it becomes an anguish factory. Once again, I can only hope he hurts in the same way I do. It will make my cross lighter.
We have moon trine pluto in synastry, moon Quintile pluto composite and moon square pluto in davison. Natally Im a moon trine pluto. What does it mean how can all be simultaneously true?
Hey guys, what do you think is it even possible for a person who has plutonic aspect(s) in the natal chart to be drawn to a person to whom they will not be sharing similar plutonic aspects in the composite?
I have moon (10) opossite pluto (4), done so much of a shadow work, and just as I thought and being so sure that I resolved some issues I met a person having this sqaure in composite.
Everything that Jules said is so true and on point.
Im just wondering will I be ever able to enter the relationship without this?
Any experiences? And why do I find those other relationships "boring"?
I feel like it’s definitely possible. Cause the plutonic energy can come through different forms. For ex: If you don’t have those aspects with someone in synastry/composite, maybe if the person has enough Pluto in their own chart that might be enough to give you that dose of Pluto and the passion you’re looking for 🤔
Ithink us ppl withheavy pluto in our natals individually and thus together in synastry and composites are narcissists,,, Regular love isssssss boring. so as Jewel said these plutonic relationships are tasty! They make us feel... DOPAMINE! It hurts but in a satisfying way in my opinion... I think we are narcs and only narcs can handle each other!
hahaha SAME
It is tough. He and I have moon sq Pluto in our natal charts. Moon conjunct moon. (our moons sq one another's Pluto.) His moon in 7th. Mine in my 8th.
What about Moon inconjunct Pluto? It's a theme in my relationship and I'm hoping you can do a video on it one day 😊
Adrienne James Mhhh inconjuncts are so interesting. They’re laden with gifts but only after you do the work. Inconjunct signs don’t see each other. So the moon (cozyness/heart) of the relationship doesn’t see the need for revolution and plutonic disrobing. And Pluto doesn’t see how to be cozy in that search for deepness. But the connection is there IF it’s worked consciously. Then it has a lot of gifts. That’s the deal with inconjuncts. Called also “the fingers of god” for that reason.
So work on joining heart and cozy with deep compassionate dismantling of fears and traumas. ❤️ learn to be comfortable in the naked depths of sharing heart wrenching trauma. Sounds like a bad movie. But it’s such a gift. :-)
What if both of them have natally and in composite? But not in synastry
Why might this square occur in a parent/child composite?
I have this with my dad, as well as multiple other Pluto squares, and this very accurately describes patterns in our relationship and the knowledge may be invaluable in helping me to heal it. I don’t know how he would respond to this video...
I also have it with a new friend of mine and our conversations are like excavations of our souls. We have similar traumas. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to miss the emotional weight of the friendship and the yes, it is exhausting, but in the case of my friend and I, there is so much good there. We are constantly encouraging each other to heal and trying to dig one another new paths to come out the other side. I think the emotional material and the deep space for healing just pulls me back in and tethers me to the relationship, which in other aspects, would annoy me or have me thinking she’s just too much for me. I think we met each other at a time when we were both so aware of the amount of healing that needs to be done, and were doing the work individually, so we are using this square consciously and that potential for deep intimacy and care is being realized. Most of the time. Sometimes we are just projecting.
With my dad, this square has worked unconsciously on us for most of my life, and the responsibility of repairing the damage dwarfs me sometimes... most of the time. Especially being the only party that has knowledge of Pluto, the only one with the ability to put a name to the heartbreak.
Thank you for this video!
Samantha Anne Vigliotti loved your comment. Nice to see someone looking at Pluto consciously.
I have this aspect with my son. He’s 11. We have our moments of intensity but we have so much depth in our connection. I’m way more conscious than my parents were. I’m sure we had squares in our synastry and composite. I’ve never bothered with their charts, I don’t need to, they were like open books in their traumas. I think I am repeating the placement so it can be healed. I’m banking that if I teach him how to be Plutonian in a positive way he won’t attract destructive Plutonian relationships. In the end, It’s not actually me who inherited that aspect. I have an unaspected Pluto (tons of Saturn squares instead ;-) but my natal ruler Venus in Scorpio and my moon and mercury in the 8th have given me more Plutonic encounters than I care to mention.
Anyway I think the square occurs because it’s a family karma. But like anything I think it can be dealt with consciously and healed. 🍀
Glad to hear you found a Plutonian Freudian Friend ;-)
@@Alpha-Andromeda careful not to project things onto your son, though. he's just a kid.
Does it apply if it is in a progressed composite chart?
Im researching aspects of our davison but I only find composite videos popping up, is it the same way to understand the aspect?
Please let me know if you find an answer to this! I'm searching as well. Thank you 😊
Dw in synastry and tight aspect in composite... I like him but I don’t want to go through such a psychological problems. Ive already been dealing with it for a while I don’t want it get worse. Im definitely jaded so this aint good for me, or possibly even him. But luckily for him he has no 12th house while I have a bunch.
That’s too bad because I really liked him 😭
We will have this aspect in a 6 month in our progressed composite chart orb 0 degree and I’m dying to know that what we gonna feel about it and im scared sorry about my English
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Hi from Greece 😼
What if you have venus inconjunct moon??? square pluto?
When you say evil, why can’t it all be growth even tho It might strong. I am the moon I am older than the Pluto is younger, I notice the Pluto comes towards me always to talk to me, I feel very calm, amazed that I am interested to someone, I do notice he doesn’t speak but he lets me speak.
I don’t think it’ll ever be more than just casual conversations. But I am able to tap to the energy and I do feel like he might like me but he won’t say anything and he is in a situation where he Can’t start anything with Anyone, I do feel like he is hiding from his traumas.
But I feel like I will be doing most of the work and I’ve done my own part and I don’t want to do anything else w anyone, unless they are emotionally mature. And I really don’t think he is. But who knows like I said I only talked to him in a casual setting.
it is composite, not synastry
Insightful video :) I'm still going to go for it! :) Lord be with me. 🙌 Scorpio south node in the 9th house, pluto in scorpio in 8th. My south node conjunct his north, 2 degrees. Composite pluto in 8th in libra, moon in Cap in 12th. Composite jupiter septile moon. Whatever happens, it was meant to happen- I will learn something and ultimately come out of it transformed and stronger, I'm imagining.... Destruction makes me more indestructible if I'm not afraid of it?
And saturn conjunct south node, natally ;) Maybe I'll cry about this all later and regret my words, but this is what I'm feeling in my gut, so... Here I go! :)
As I said, it is usually brought to it’s logical end. Good luck to you. It’s a wild ride.
Elizabeth Hoover read my comment at the top of the feed to @Suzy asking for people who have had relationships with this aspect. I think it’s worth it. But read what I write about what placements can make it more workable. Already your composite moon in Cap is a good one, but look at the rest of your natal and synastry.
@@Alpha-Andromeda appreciate your thorough account of how it was for you! So far, so good. Whatever happens, I just feel like it is something I need to go with. Thank you so much for your perspective!
This is very overdue, but thank you, Jewel!
I had this with my highschool sweetheart. I ran into him this week and we both cried. It was so embarrassing lmaooo
why did they cry?
@@alebalessa77 i think he held on to guilt about certain things that happened in that relationship and was surprised that I was happy to see him. I let it go and considered it a learning experience but he ruminated about it for like 7 years. I always missed him anyway and believed in his character in spite of that. I guess it was cathartic for him to know that I don't want him to see that. I didn't even know he still thought of me at all!
Those with natal Moon-Pluto hard aspect could probably handle it. I'm assuming that's what Jewel means if you're right for this type of relationship, It's for you.
Lyn S. would you say the moon pluto person would also feel this aspect?
Henrieta Henrieta I would say the Moon-Pluto person would feel it and probably won’t be too fazed by it since they’re familiar with it in their natal chart.
Regarding a partner that doesn’t have it in their natal chart; it may be too much for them and they end up calling it quits. That’s why Jewel says to always check the natal chart.
Lyn S. thank you so much Lyn,
Do you think the person who has it nataly would not feel the connection? I have it with a guy and he doesn’t seem as invested as me and always holds the power. I’m
Scorpio Venus with sun conj Pluto he has this square in his natal chart and also my Venus conjuct his pluto...when I want to leave he always changes my mind however when I’m in he doesn’t want to see me often...it’s very confusing...I’m deeply invested...
Henrieta Henrieta it’s really hard to interpret what’s going on without looking at both your natal, synastry and composite chart I’m afraid.
I couldn’t tell you why he doesn’t seem invested. I study Magi astrology too which is what I could’ve used to discern why he isn’t as invested.
Plutonian relationships are tough, especially if people aren’t evolved or if only one person is evolved. He’s probably not at your stage. So many reasons. Hope you understand
Lyn S. thank you Lyn, you are absolutely right. When I met him 2 years ago, he has triggered something inside of me which has changed me completely spiritually, physically and mentally. I have started to study astrology, tarot, manifesting and spirituality. It has shifted my consciousness to another level. I started to want more from life. I used to be a tv addict and I stopped watching tv completely. Lots of people told me I changed..when I asked him why he’s scared he said he is lost in his own head. He’s a cancer stellium but also has mars in Scorpio conj his satun. I cannot explain to you how we make each other feel when we are together it’s incredible. I can feel it from him as well, but then he always puts a break on and wouldn’t see me for 4 months..he is scared of the connection I know. I’ve spent 2 years being there for him but it’s time for me to stop doing it as you said, he’s not evolved but the problem is he doesn’t want to let the transformation happen due to fear or emotional vulnerability and that is such a shame...thank you for your Insight and your time to respond to me. ❤️🙏🏻
Hello, can someone explain me what I can await of these aspects: moon in 3 opposite venus in 9 the 2 planets square pluto in 6 ?
In addition saturn in 6 is sextile sun, mercury and jupiter in 9.
Don't know how to understand these aspects in composite. One is bad and one is good 🤷🏾♀️.
For now, we have brutal separations (4 in 6 months) aa lot of hésitation from my parr. And it's an ascendant in taurus...fix sign and we are both ascendant taurus.
Is this similar to moon square chiron composite?
What if this aspect is out of sign in a composite chart? Does it still count ?
Yes, I believe it does. It'll just have a different "flavour"!
My sister and I have this.... idk 😐she’s the closest sibling I have but there are codependency issues that we both are ignoring issues and trying to work things out together to become more independent individuals. I’m the moon she’s the pluto. My pluto trines her mars in synastry. Both are moon in Aquarius’ I wonder how we can work things out. Overall we are pretty close as siblings and love and take care of each other.
You being the moon person and trining her Pluto with your mars you probably feel less comfortable than her in the relationship. But to pull away would only pull her more to you. You’d have to find something or someone she is interested in and let her slip into that new plutonic relationship with and activity or a person. Plutonic addictions, like codependent relationships can only be replaced by healthier alternatives, they can’t be deleted. A codependent person learns to be addicted to other things like their own independence and yoga or whatever. So you have to help her find a healthier or different addiction than you. 🌈
Thank you 😊 I have suggested she try becoming a yoga instructor since she’s a Pisces north node. I’ll keep your advice in mind.
I have a doubt about this . How can we know who is moon and who is Pluto in a composite relationship. I'm highly confused at this part. Can anyone please explain
Mars conjunct moon conjunct saturn conjunct IC SQUARE pluto which conjunct asc
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What happens with this aspect if both people have natal moon square pluto?
Nedriell Lopher lots of past trauma to work through. Depending on how conscious you both are it can be really rewarding and special or the worst can of worms you’ve ever opened. With the natal squares I think it can be challenging. But hey? What’s a little soul scar or two when you can have the deepest connection of your life? (Famous last words ;-))
Jokes aside, check your synastry. If there’s more hard aspects I’d walk away if I still could. That being said, if that’s something you need to work through, it will pop up again with the next partner. Up to you. 🍀
@@Alpha-Andromeda whoa really interesting! Thank you!!
Hi 😼
Sounds like a Twinflame aspect...
Stay off my channel.
@@JewelMayberry Why...would you say that to him? That’s literally so rude 🤯
@@mayas3096Because twinflames are bullshit and she doesn't indulge the myth.
For me it was a friendship ❤️❤️❤️😢
So, basically we should avoid composite charts with this aspect as much as possible.
Ahahaaa scorpio stellium and 8th house mars meeeeee. Poor taurus bf tho 😂
I have a doubt about this . How can we know who is moon and who is Pluto in a composite relationship. I'm highly confused at this part. Can anyone please explain
Well you should start by learning how to read a natal chart before going to the composite, I can’t explain to you if you don’t understand the basic of astrology, you have the answer of who play what in the natal, then you learn how to read a synastry and only then you go to composite.
It clearly states who is who is the chart if u know how to read a synastry chart
This thing is painful. This thing is painful. This thing is painful. This thing is baaaaaddddd. Please tell me both people feel it. It feels like death and is death. God help me! We both have it natally. You saying both people don't stay together intensifies my pain. It's the fear of abandonment that worsens the pain and what I subconsciously operate from. Us not staying in contact is an unbearable pain because it is the impossibility of being together that causes this pain to begin with. What sadistic paradox is this forsaken placement. I hate it.
I am a very plutonian person, I have a 5 planet stellium in scorpio and I have this aspect as the only tension aspect in my composite with a guy I am dating, the whole chart is full of trines and sextiles. The problem here is they use c0ca1ne now and then and that's something I am not willing to negotiate, I don't want that in my life. I don't think he will leave it so I cannot have a deeper relationship with him :(