"The flight characteristics of these aircraft after expending air to air missiles does not allow them to fight *equally* with aircraft that have higher speeds and thrust-to-weight ratios" ???? Fuckin yeah no shit, almost like they were designed primarily to deal with ground targets.
I am at 10.3br in the us ground tech tree and I haven’t spent so much as a cent on the game. It’s taken me years but I can proudly say that i haven’t enabled any of their shenanigans. … but at the end of the day I have played way too much warthunder so who’s the real loser.
Their BR separation sucks, what we needed was for them to lower the overtiered planes that had a higher BR on Air RB because they had a good performance on Ground RB (specially in the mid tiers) and they not only limited the change to top tier vehicles they also focus almost all the changes on ground RB. It really feels like gaijin did it so they can say that they fixed it and add a check mark to the road map without actually fixing anything.
1:04 "Added due to feedback" Gaijin mods (slaves) on their way to shift through seas of comments telling them a decision is bad so they can find the one guy who agrees with them and has a suggestion
F-100 used to be one of my favorite jets to fly. It was hurt when they added the harriers and yak-38's and then finally curb-stomped by the A-10/SU-25 cancer. Jet air rb is a sad shell of its former self. Prop air rb is still fine though.
"Aircraft balanced around ground attack capabilities in ground battles" Yet again Big CAS showing to the world they got the snail by the balls and all the sheeple will just ignore it😡
Balancing them in ground based off of their ground attack capabilities instead of their fighter capabilities. Which is what they should be used as primary. I.e. SU27S can go down in BR because it doesn’t have guided A2G weapons. Which is basically like compressing the ARB BRs.
@@SteelxWolf but i honestly think thats fine, noone really uses dedicated air superiority fighters in GRB, and its also a way to counter CAS at their respective BR´s as it is being spammed anyways. For a ground attacked it doesnt make much of a difference if you are intercepted by a Mig-21 SMT or Mig-21Bis, you are screwed either way
what beyond me is how they disagree to make tech tree tornado ids have same br with prem/event tornado in air battles, like what? you expect me to launch a paveway at enemy planes and it would make a game changer?
the IDS MFG is not even 11.0 worthy it was totaly fine at 10.7, but an Attacker with just 2 Aim-9L's (which go rather for trees than for planes) that can't even reach it's targets before the braindead F-4S players bomb all of them away, is definetly 11.0 worthy
There are so many things beign ignored, like the fact that people are using ground attackers in air Rb to fight people because gaijin nerfed the rewards of ground targets to oblivion. I, like many other players rather be groundpounding than dumping aim 9Ls on unsupecting players but if we dont engage in pvp we dont get rewards. And all of this is an artificially created problem by gaijin to boost their sales.
This game just gets fcking stupider and stupider. They banned me for having a player name that didn't violate their tos. Either way I'm glad I don't play this fcking pathetic game anymore.
This nerf to top tier CAS is not great but it should work bc players treat fighters (in all brs) as cheap ground kills and not as fighters/interceptors Dramatically increasing the spawn cost for ground pound payloads on fighters is the much better solution Unfortunately, all US mains would burn Gaijin employees at the stake if they tried something like that (Although the pushback and rejection of real shatter is a good example of player feedback)
im laughing my ass off how garbage warthunder is now and i gave the game a good chance too grinded 8 nations top tier and it just got worse and worse after t90m was added 🤣🤣
Thats the thing, veteran players are leaving constantly but due to advertising there is a constant influx of new players and gaijin loves this beacuse they get rid of the veteran players that dont give them money and can warn others of their fuckups and simultaneously they get new clueless players that will give them money without knowing how they are beign fucked over.
The only solution for A-10 and Su-25 is BR decompression. If you move them higher they are impossible to play, if you don't touch them... Well, I killed enough A-10s in my MiG-19 and Su-7 to say that they are not unkillable gods just because of their 9Ls, but they have no place this low. If they could be moved to 10.7, that would be fair, if only max uptier for them would be 11.3.
A-10 and Su-25 are dedicated CAS for Ground RB, why do they need to be any good in Air? They are dumb aircraft that have never willfully engaged in air-to-air combat in real life, why should they be effective against enemy aircraft in this game? The problem isn't compression, it's player entitlement. There are many aircraft that need decompression, but attackers with missiles from fighters 1.3-2.0 BR above them aren't needing anything besides a kick in the head.
@@stragepinetree It. Is. A. Ground. Strike. Aircraft. Nobody has ever flown an A-10 or an Su-25 into a combat zone they knew would be dominated by fighter jets. They are assymetrical warfare planes designed specifically for engagements with complete air superiority. YOU chose to buy this aircraft, why do other players need to suffer for YOUR decision?
war thunder players will cry about anything. 0:49 "similar capability" 1. The super sabre shits on a10/su 25s 2. the normal sabres can face an absolute MAXIMUN of 4 all aspect carriers, in a more realistic match they see 1-2, which they can easily avoid. 0:55 "why can't they just exist as fighter?" Quite simply, they are purpose built multirole aircraft, produced with the intent to carry out CAS. 1:08 as for complaining about I just don't understand why you're complaining about it, plenty of other counters to CAS are going up, including all other mig 21s
Congrats, you pointed out that I pointed out 3 examples. The F100 cannot dodge a 9L if the A10 is facing its direction. The Su25 can actually put accelerate a F100 as well. But sure go off king, pretend their arent more examples that I just didn’t put in the video for time sake
@@SteelxWolf the f100, and any supersonic for that matter, absolutely smoke any missile buses they face. Anyone who complains otherwise either has a massive skill issue or shit positioning.
@@SteelxWolf "Fighters balanced around ground attack in ground? why cant they just exist as capable fighters?" The fighters that are being nerfed in GRB are ALL multi role aircraft, if you're talking about the ones going down, those are all still existing as capable fighters so your statement doesn't make any sense.
Quite glad the A-10s and Su-25s aren’t going up. They don’t need a BR increase. They’re more than fine where they are at. They’re slow, 9Ls and R-60Ms are easy to dodge. They don’t need to force 27ERs and 7Ms
They are not easy to dodge in a flareless plane. At all. The frogfoot can keep up with most enemies, while the A10 can constantly fly in a circle dumping flares for the entire engagement. Again, they aren’t supposed to be fighters. Balancing them around the idea that they should be competitive against other fighters is completely out of touch.
@@SteelxWolf But they are. And throwing them up to any higher of a BR renders them completely pointless. They have absolutely no business fighting 11.7-12.7 fighters. They are fine where they are at and I’m glad Gaijin agrees. And since they’re premium packs, they’ll never get touched before they’re removed from the store and I don’t see that happening
Flying 9.3 and 9.7 planes fuckin sucks because of what's at 10.3 wdym. And now it's going to be even worse. Su-25 and A-10's are some of the most easy planes to fly because you're guaranteed easy kills with your missiles. Playing as a fast flareless attacker or bomber especially sucks because them. They're not impossible to dodge but saying it's easy to is just straight lying. Instead of fixing an issue by doing something as simple as decompression, Gaijin continously makes certain br's a nightmare to play. 9.3/9.7 is some of the most unfun brs to play in ground and air.
You’re telling me you struggle against an airframe that has to basically stick to the ground since you know, it’s an ground pounder, and don’t know how to use speed, altitude, and energy to your advantage? Top attacking isn’t a thing in your bag of skills? War Thunder players need to remember that they have about 25,000-30,000 feet worth of altitude to play with (excluding Afghanistan since it’s around 8,000 feet up to begin with). Those airframes cannot and almost never go up that high. And at 9.0, getting downtiered, what are you afraid of facing that you don’t go up to 15,000 feet and fight anyways. Your inability to adjust your play style beyond going left and sticking to the ground is not a justification to completely fuck over two/four highly sought after, quite fucking defenseless with those all-aspects (which are basically non-existent when you get uptiered to 11.0 and have to face radar missiles) airframes. I hate the phrase “skill issue” because it’s so thrown round but that is literally the definition of it. F-86s, F-84s, F-104s, Mig-15s/17s can absolutely sit at 10,000-15,000 have their air fight and not once be threaten by an air frame that will take 30 minutes to reach you and be a sitting target. Like goddamn, learn aerial combat. Get out of this mindset of “the only way I can fight is low and fast”.
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"The flight characteristics of these aircraft after expending air to air missiles does not allow them to fight *equally* with aircraft that have higher speeds and thrust-to-weight ratios" ???? Fuckin yeah no shit, almost like they were designed primarily to deal with ground targets.
There is rarely a case of a company so absolutely disconnected from reality, and I thought wargaming was completely delulu.
"As if things couldnt get worse...
they did"
thanks god i refused to Give this out of touch company more money
I am at 10.3br in the us ground tech tree and I haven’t spent so much as a cent on the game. It’s taken me years but I can proudly say that i haven’t enabled any of their shenanigans.
… but at the end of the day I have played way too much warthunder so who’s the real loser.
"le AMX has good flight performance so it will go up" cool thank you gaijin
AMX has the best guided cas at its br so it will go up
"and as the wish is granted another finger on the monkeys paw curls"
Love the Count dankula clip 😂
Their BR separation sucks, what we needed was for them to lower the overtiered planes that had a higher BR on Air RB because they had a good performance on Ground RB (specially in the mid tiers) and they not only limited the change to top tier vehicles they also focus almost all the changes on ground RB. It really feels like gaijin did it so they can say that they fixed it and add a check mark to the road map without actually fixing anything.
1:23
you forgot the "buy premium time cyka"
1:04 "Added due to feedback"
Gaijin mods (slaves) on their way to shift through seas of comments telling them a decision is bad so they can find the one guy who agrees with them and has a suggestion
What about all the aircrafts in 9.3 without countermeasures ?
Air Rb is dead tbh
F-100 used to be one of my favorite jets to fly. It was hurt when they added the harriers and yak-38's and then finally curb-stomped by the A-10/SU-25 cancer. Jet air rb is a sad shell of its former self. Prop air rb is still fine though.
Least dumb F-4 player going to steal a bomber/attacker base:
This means that a tank only mode is only imaginable in parallel universe.
Gaijin Entertainment is my favorite small studio with so little money and definitely isn't on the front pages of Steam best selling
"Aircraft balanced around ground attack capabilities in ground battles"
Yet again Big CAS showing to the world they got the snail by the balls and all the sheeple will just ignore it😡
How is high tier CAS being nerfed a bad thing
@@stragepinetreehere I am, still waiting for a ground only mode since ground vehicles were in beta.
@@MaliciousGrim05 Sadly they will most likely never do this since its a combined arms warfare game that is "balanced" around planes fighting tanks.
i swear the game is like tarkov,the moment another competitor pop up that is even a bit better,the game will oof.
The leopard would have been better as an event vehicle but gaijin being gaijin as per usual 🙃
Its the equivalent of the M1A1 Clickbait
I would agree but for the sake of team balance I think more nations need top tier prems (not saying they're a good thing, they shouldn't exist at all)
There goes my fun with an italian lineup… oh well amx did feel a lil dirty
right when you think it can't get worse...
gaijin releases another devblog
BUT IM OUTTA MY HEAD WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND
This is insanity
Wathcing my T2 go from ok to unplayable
i dont get the last part tho, whats the problem of a2a fighters moving down?
Balancing them in ground based off of their ground attack capabilities instead of their fighter capabilities. Which is what they should be used as primary.
I.e. SU27S can go down in BR because it doesn’t have guided A2G weapons. Which is basically like compressing the ARB BRs.
@@SteelxWolf but i honestly think thats fine, noone really uses dedicated air superiority fighters in GRB, and its also a way to counter CAS at their respective BR´s as it is being spammed anyways. For a ground attacked it doesnt make much of a difference if you are intercepted by a Mig-21 SMT or Mig-21Bis, you are screwed either way
@kilian3006 yeah they do lol. Anti CAS with a touch of kamikaze
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what beyond me is how they disagree to make tech tree tornado ids have same br with prem/event tornado in air battles, like what? you expect me to launch a paveway at enemy planes and it would make a game changer?
the IDS MFG is not even 11.0 worthy it was totaly fine at 10.7, but an Attacker with just 2 Aim-9L's (which go rather for trees than for planes) that can't even reach it's targets before the braindead F-4S players bomb all of them away, is definetly 11.0 worthy
There are so many things beign ignored, like the fact that people are using ground attackers in air Rb to fight people because gaijin nerfed the rewards of ground targets to oblivion. I, like many other players rather be groundpounding than dumping aim 9Ls on unsupecting players but if we dont engage in pvp we dont get rewards. And all of this is an artificially created problem by gaijin to boost their sales.
Im outta my mind when your not around
Who is here after they just announced another premium t80 lol
they are goofy goobers (i hate them with passion)
They need to hire TF2 developers fr.
This game just gets fcking stupider and stupider. They banned me for having a player name that didn't violate their tos. Either way I'm glad I don't play this fcking pathetic game anymore.
They cant just balance cas in ground and leave everything else alone
This nerf to top tier CAS is not great but it should work bc players treat fighters (in all brs) as cheap ground kills and not as fighters/interceptors
Dramatically increasing the spawn cost for ground pound payloads on fighters is the much better solution
Unfortunately, all US mains would burn Gaijin employees at the stake if they tried something like that
(Although the pushback and rejection of real shatter is a good example of player feedback)
im laughing my ass off how garbage warthunder is now and i gave the game a good chance too grinded 8 nations top tier and it just got worse and worse after t90m was added 🤣🤣
Meanwhile me, never playing above tier 5: meh
It will come for you eventually. Some day a 262 will be 5.7 because it doesn’t have bigger bombs… or some shit idk this is Gaijin we’re talking about
@@SteelxWolf leave it to war thunder players to complain about shit that hasn't happened yet.
@@SteelxWolf "quite frankly boo-hoo"
@@stragepinetree because Gaijin has done it in the past, at some point you gotta learn your lesson. You can just go back to reddit or some shit idk
@@mbiller26 keep consooming npc
Review bombing time?
not sure tbh. Just waiting on another out of touch response by boss
when will players start leaving this game, its just getting worse and worse
Thats the thing, veteran players are leaving constantly but due to advertising there is a constant influx of new players and gaijin loves this beacuse they get rid of the veteran players that dont give them money and can warn others of their fuckups and simultaneously they get new clueless players that will give them money without knowing how they are beign fucked over.
Just look at some of the comment threads here
I hate CAS rb
The only solution for A-10 and Su-25 is BR decompression. If you move them higher they are impossible to play, if you don't touch them... Well, I killed enough A-10s in my MiG-19 and Su-7 to say that they are not unkillable gods just because of their 9Ls, but they have no place this low. If they could be moved to 10.7, that would be fair, if only max uptier for them would be 11.3.
Holy shit actual good take
@@stragepinetree sadly I don't work at Gaijin)
A-10 and Su-25 are dedicated CAS for Ground RB, why do they need to be any good in Air? They are dumb aircraft that have never willfully engaged in air-to-air combat in real life, why should they be effective against enemy aircraft in this game? The problem isn't compression, it's player entitlement. There are many aircraft that need decompression, but attackers with missiles from fighters 1.3-2.0 BR above them aren't needing anything besides a kick in the head.
@@XSpamDragonXIt's not "entitled" for someone to want their aircraft to perform remotely well in the primary mode for aircraft
@@stragepinetree It. Is. A. Ground. Strike. Aircraft.
Nobody has ever flown an A-10 or an Su-25 into a combat zone they knew would be dominated by fighter jets. They are assymetrical warfare planes designed specifically for engagements with complete air superiority. YOU chose to buy this aircraft, why do other players need to suffer for YOUR decision?
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@@SteelxWolf really real
war thunder players will cry about anything.
0:49 "similar capability" 1. The super sabre shits on a10/su 25s 2. the normal sabres can face an absolute MAXIMUN of 4 all aspect carriers, in a more realistic match they see 1-2, which they can easily avoid.
0:55 "why can't they just exist as fighter?" Quite simply, they are purpose built multirole aircraft, produced with the intent to carry out CAS.
1:08 as for complaining about I just don't understand why you're complaining about it, plenty of other counters to CAS are going up, including all other mig 21s
Congrats, you pointed out that I pointed out 3 examples. The F100 cannot dodge a 9L if the A10 is facing its direction. The Su25 can actually put accelerate a F100 as well.
But sure go off king, pretend their arent more examples that I just didn’t put in the video for time sake
Also u didnt pause and read at 0:55.
They were talking about fighters that they are lowering. Take the reddit gold 🏆🏆
1:08, the counters are going down. Not up. But in a downtier they will wipe the floor with any normal jet that isnt an A10/Su25.
@@SteelxWolf the f100, and any supersonic for that matter, absolutely smoke any missile buses they face. Anyone who complains otherwise either has a massive skill issue or shit positioning.
@@SteelxWolf "Fighters balanced around ground attack in ground? why cant they just exist as capable fighters?" The fighters that are being nerfed in GRB are ALL multi role aircraft, if you're talking about the ones going down, those are all still existing as capable fighters so your statement doesn't make any sense.
Quite glad the A-10s and Su-25s aren’t going up. They don’t need a BR increase. They’re more than fine where they are at. They’re slow, 9Ls and R-60Ms are easy to dodge. They don’t need to force 27ERs and 7Ms
They are not easy to dodge in a flareless plane. At all. The frogfoot can keep up with most enemies, while the A10 can constantly fly in a circle dumping flares for the entire engagement.
Again, they aren’t supposed to be fighters. Balancing them around the idea that they should be competitive against other fighters is completely out of touch.
@@SteelxWolf But they are. And throwing them up to any higher of a BR renders them completely pointless. They have absolutely no business fighting 11.7-12.7 fighters. They are fine where they are at and I’m glad Gaijin agrees. And since they’re premium packs, they’ll never get touched before they’re removed from the store and I don’t see that happening
Flying 9.3 and 9.7 planes fuckin sucks because of what's at 10.3 wdym. And now it's going to be even worse. Su-25 and A-10's are some of the most easy planes to fly because you're guaranteed easy kills with your missiles. Playing as a fast flareless attacker or bomber especially sucks because them. They're not impossible to dodge but saying it's easy to is just straight lying.
Instead of fixing an issue by doing something as simple as decompression, Gaijin continously makes certain br's a nightmare to play. 9.3/9.7 is some of the most unfun brs to play in ground and air.
@@mokaso they have no business fighting korean jets... your point?
Im genuinely curious how to dodge an R60M or a 9L in a F86 sabre.
You’re telling me you struggle against an airframe that has to basically stick to the ground since you know, it’s an ground pounder, and don’t know how to use speed, altitude, and energy to your advantage? Top attacking isn’t a thing in your bag of skills? War Thunder players need to remember that they have about 25,000-30,000 feet worth of altitude to play with (excluding Afghanistan since it’s around 8,000 feet up to begin with). Those airframes cannot and almost never go up that high. And at 9.0, getting downtiered, what are you afraid of facing that you don’t go up to 15,000 feet and fight anyways.
Your inability to adjust your play style beyond going left and sticking to the ground is not a justification to completely fuck over two/four highly sought after, quite fucking defenseless with those all-aspects (which are basically non-existent when you get uptiered to 11.0 and have to face radar missiles) airframes. I hate the phrase “skill issue” because it’s so thrown round but that is literally the definition of it. F-86s, F-84s, F-104s, Mig-15s/17s can absolutely sit at 10,000-15,000 have their air fight and not once be threaten by an air frame that will take 30 minutes to reach you and be a sitting target.
Like goddamn, learn aerial combat. Get out of this mindset of “the only way I can fight is low and fast”.