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I think he stops at Sasori either by (Very Likely) Losing to him but giving him a pretty good fight or in the VERY off chance he beats him but let's be honest he won't, he's Powerful and Very understated but not That much. And i'm assuming this isn't him with cancer and on his Death Bed and all.
In part 1 he is Jonin level+ just for taking on Gaara the way he did. In his prime no illness he would’ve helped Orochimaru bulldoze Hiruzen, when he started getting sick he helped Orochimaru body Rasa, as an Edo without illness he took on Mifune and the whole samurai army with Chiyo, basically at least above early part 2 Gaara with pure hands alone
I think a healthy kimmimaru should be just a tad under start of shippuden sasuke in base stats. Kimmimaru would shit on practically every taijutsu type with his body hardening and unorthodox fighting style. His stamina probably was really high too, seeing as he ran from the hide out to jugo, then the sound 4 to take sasuke, and ran a little top genin gauntlet. All on his last hours before his body fails.
@@spit-fireBase stats in what way? Strength? Durability? Dexterity? In Naruto these are all separate categories so it’s hard to judge with most being glass canons…his bones can straight up go blow for blow with samurai chakra blades that can clash with Sasuke’s raiton kusanagi without damage (Mifune). His dexterity is higher by feats. Both aren’t strength fighters but Kimimaro dug himself out of hundreds of meters of sand and just barreled through it with raw physical strength while so sick he shouldn’t have even been able to move. that’s a monster strength feat.
@@hobbyhorse5848 in BASE to BASE just stats like speed, mobility, physical strength, kenjutsu, stuff like that. Obviously their special abilities effect it tho like sharingan for mobility, bones for strength
@@hobbyhorse5848 like in manga when jugo thinks back to kimmimaru and looks at sasuke, he thinks of him as a reincarnation. Idk I see lots of parallels that suggest start of shippuden base sasuke should be around base healthy kimmimaru
He's easily already low Kage level in part 1 along with Gara... none of the Jonin besides Guy would stand a chance against kimimaro... Asuma is getting his ass clapped 💯
Kuronai is always so funny whenever she comes up in an analysis video. She literally just has one negative feat of getting out-genjutsu'd by itachi but it doesn't really say much Its like if a new character is introduced and the only thing we see him do is get out-taijutsu'd in a very brief exchange with eighth gate guy.
Kimimaro is very much kage level when not sick. Not low kage, just kage. Kimimaro, while sick (but not yet succumbed to that sickness), is stated by Orochimaru to be the primary reason they were able to kill the kazekage, Gaara's dad. *After* succumbing to his illness, which literally completely paralyzed him from the neck down and could be neither healed nor staved off by Kabuto (one of the greatest medical ninja in Naruto history), he was able to force his body to move via sheer willpower and fight both Lee and Gaara. Gaara is explicitly high jonin to low kage level at the time, being a jinchuriki who has with ease killed dozens of jonin assassins sent to kill him. Kimimaro, while severely weakened, kinda mopped the floor with Gaara all things considered, and would've killed him if not for his illness killing him first. I don't think there's any argument to say he's less than kage level.
Thanks, this precisely. Kimimaro was basically a walking dead man and he defeated Gaara burried him 200m underground, pressuring him with sand. So 200m worth of sand pressuring him did literally 0 DAMAGE to dead man Kimimaro. His speed is hard to argue due to his state, he's supposed to be paralyzed so he was much slower than he should be. I think if he was perfectly healthy with CM2 available he'd be able to kill A solo. Why? Because from paralyzed to fully healthy, his speed would literally skyrocket. His defense has yet to be defeated by anything or anyone. His chakra reserves are superior to Kisame's FFS. With something that looks like 10% of CM1 (the tattoo on his chest), he kept KCM1 clone Naruto away for hours. So with the full power of the curse mark...He's above Kakuzu and even Kisame. Had he been Orochimaru's host like Sasuke, he would have become stronger than Pain because he'd be simply invincible, no technique but rasenshuriken would have any chance of dealing any lasting damage on him, his speed would be amped, he would have perfect control of the cursed mark, would be able to summon snakes, to reform his body, to spit a new body in case anyone miraculously got enough attack power to harm him, he would have Kusanagi, 3 Rashômon gates can tank a considerable amount of a 4t Kyûbi bomb and that was from an Orochimaru in a dying body. There's no wonder Orochimaru wanted his body so bad, with 3 years of training in this body he would solo Akatsuki (let's not forget that all of Kimimaro's feats are based on his 15 YO pre-time skip self and Edo Tensei doesn't have CM or very little, so if you add Orochimaru's skillset, mastery of ninjutsu and his unique abilities like making his body flexible like a snake...he would take 0 physical damage, only be damaged by elemental attacks or yin or yang very powerful attacks, or space-time offensive techniques). This Kimimaro could have soloed post Konoha crush Leaf village and gotten the Forbidden Scroll, learnt every technique in it, hell he could have used shadow clone training. If he got a MS and some Senju DNA, he might be able to get a rinnegan and from that point the only thing able to do anything to him is literally Kamui, a skill that doesn't consider durability (and maybe the truth seeking orbs but hey, these are alien techniques so they don't count). Add a random tailed beast to the mix and...well...he'd be relative to Madara's strongest form? Probably even more durable.
@@Emerald-z2p Fodder??? He's a high jonin level shinobi at the absolute minimum, even while sick and nearly paralyzed. I don't know how you're managing to downplay him so much. His defenses are nearly as great as Gaara's. His offense is strong enough to bypass Gaara's defenses. He's one of the most skilled and powerful taijutsu users in the verse, able to keep up with and overwhelm both Lee and Gaara back to back. Gaara is jonin level when we first meet him, let alone later on. By then he's already low kage. And Kimimaro almost completely overwhelmed him. And he did all of that while so sick that he was paralyzed from the neck down. His body should not have been able to move *at all*. I really need you to take into account the extreme severity of his condition. He got up from sheer willpower, and was nowhere even remotely close to 100% of his strength. Orochimaru himself outright stated that the assassination of the kazekage went so well largely because Kimimaro was there. Like it's not difficult to understand. While not sick, Kimimaro would easily be one of the fastest and strongest shinobi in the world, and easily has one of the best most impenetrable defenses in the verse.
Same here (only speaking about Kimimaro though). He was the reason I started watching Naruto, at around 8 years old. Randomly saw him on the internet and got fascinated by his design and allure. At the moment being obsessed with The Serpent Lord (Orochimaru), I enjoy even more the affectionate scenes between them and wish Kimimaro was kept around for longer. So much unexplored potential...
Dosu was funny, wish he had more screentime. Shino though.. Zaku was right, he was a total freak. Thank God he's not real, or my phobia of bugs would reach stage 5 😖😖😖
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I always appreciate the Ragnarok Online music you sneak into these videos. I was playing it when I was watching Naruto for the first time in highschool so they're always interconnected in my head and it sends me right back there.
IMO Kimamaro vs Hidan would be interesting. And imagine if Kimimaro survived until Shippuden and trained with Sasuke. I can see him beating Hidan and Kakuzu but still losing to Deidara
He's not stronger than kakuzu im pretty sure even though he trained a lot,kakuzu literally wiped out a bijuu(two tails) and he lost to kakashi and naruto just bcs of plot
I can’t see a way for Hidan to take him, bone removal doesn’t seem to leave blood and he’s a melee specialist with very strong defenses. He stalemated a KCM 1 clone as edo tensai so he’d probably tango pretty easily with any of the members in a normal fight, but he doesn’t have a way to beat deidara’s C4, or any of the other hack style abilities like vs Itachi for example.
Kimimaro should’ve been to Sasuke, what Killer B was to Naruto. I could see Kimimaro getting to a point where he tells Sasuke “I know you plan on killing Orochimaru, my loyalty is to him. But I have also come to respect you. Whoever emerges from your battle. I will follow.”
@@juswavvy9634 I’m aware, doesn’t mean Kishimoto could’nt have wrote it differently. I could also imagine Kimimaro actually being the only one whose curious about Killer B’s “Rhymes” once Sasuke’s team helped in the war. He was very intrigued by things that were new to him.
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The issue with Kimi is we never saw his prime really, when did he really get sick for example? Do we know this? Maybe he had to stop training years before we first saw him, but still managed to hold his own against most ninjas. Kimimaro is one of the biggest what ifs in the series :(
Yeah man, I've always thought about the training, and it's probably a key-fact. If he was extremely sick and lay on his deathbed by the time he fought against Gaara (and the other ones), it's obvious that he wasn't training for a long time. Those facts in addition to the terminal illness, give us a clear idea of how nerfed Kimimaro was. Totally off fit.
Kimimaro was also stated to be the one that contained Juugo when he gone in a killing spree. He should be at least as strong as Juugo, if not more. And probably stronger than anyone in team Hebi, save for Sasuke after absorb Orochimaru. Sasuke without Orochimaru may be a good benchmark for Kimimaro. And since Juugo was able to give some fight to the Raikage it is safe to assume Kimimaro would do a bit better (but not winning) Juugo was also defeated by Killer Bee in his base. Bee that also beat MS Sasuke, who is one step above regular Sasuke. I think that is it, Kimimaro is equal to base Sasuke without MS. This Sasuke was able to fight Sai and Yamato together. Two high level ninjas, one being a Jounin.
Prime Kimimaro vs Kabuto at any stage of Kabuto's life is THE match up. Orochimaru wasn't going to choose kimimaro to be worse than kabuto, ever. Even with kabuto's war arch enhancements Kabuto still had the weakness of trying to be something he wasn't while Kimimaro was Him. I think they battle to the death in kabuto's war arch form.
You'd have to wank him pretty hard for him to be able to compete with Kabuto at that stage part one Kabuto was supposed to be on kakashi's level. I just don't see him defeating kakashi
@@DeadSezSo Good Point. I envision a scenario where instead of Itachi and sasuke finding Kabuto, it was prime kimimaru, and he didnt have to keep kabuto alive to undo Edo Tensei.
@@kyeduren5233 Do you watch Naruto? Sage Kabuto ist on Legend Level the Level of Edo Itachi,KCM Minato and Nagato.Kabuto would beat Kimmimaru with easy
We were robbed of the Kimimaro vs Naruto Clone fight in Shippuden. Kimimaro's jutsu was unstoppable and had no weakness. It would have been great if Naruto fought him and find a way to beat and seal him. And then later when he fight Kaguya, Naruto use that knowledge in his fight against Kimimaro to find a way to beat Kaguya.
Of course it has weaknesses and limits. Any ability does. It just takes the right tools. For example: A bad matchup for Kimi would be Kisame. -Can Summon an ocean wich negates his speed and keeps him above ground, bone yard range. Can bypass durqbility by constantly draining his chakra while being super fast and nimble in the water and getting stronger the more chakra he absorbs. Any Genjutsu user with a strong enough ability could also get him. He is a strong and fast merllee fighter with ranged bone options and high durability and speed. But even Oroichimaru couldnt deal with Itachis Genjutsu. But against Naruto? -Prior to KCM Kimi would own him. -Kcm1-2 Kimi would get outsped and broken through by Rasenshuriken amped by Bijuus and what not. So overall a mid fight as the jump Naruto made was quiet big. But it depends if the bones can bypass the Kyuubi cloak.
@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I would agree with genjutsu except he easily beat one of the top tier users sound 4 chick. Strategist spiderguy. And his kkgk should be stronger as he is healthier. So could match naruto rasengan.
The Abarame in general were my favourites, cold character designs and really interesting techniques like torune forcing obito to cut off his arm simply because he touched him and his hashirama cells couldn’t even best the micro bacteria
@@giannixx Imagine if Orochimaru wasn't entirely pushed to the side as a villain and the getting his arms back plot point actually played out. He was so sick even without having an uchiha or kimimaros body.
There is one thing you forgot to mention and that is that Kimimaro only used cm1 vs Naruto in the war arc, so he didnt even consider cm2 in a fight like that.
High jonin to low kage level sound about right for the version of Kimimaro we see in part 1 to me. From that onwards it depends on the jutsus and skill set. I think one could make a strong case that Deidara could bear Kimimaro (let me add that I really like Kimimaro, so no fanboy). Deidara figured out Gaaras tactic while fighting, all his "The jinchuriki of the one tail... pff, let's see what he's got" and then pretty much that tactic. Flying to keep distance. He will be able to dodge the finger bones Kimimaro shoots, if they even get so far. Then dropping his clay explosives from the sky until Kimimaro cannot regenerate anymore...
Nah, he's easily already low Kage level in part 1 along with Gara... none of the Jonin besides Guy would stand a chance against kimimaro... Asuma is getting his ass clapped 💯
You should do a video on how powerful the sound village is if we combine all the ninja as a nation with or without sasuke. Who could they defeat in terms of village and such. That would be cool as the sound village is less a village and more hust workshops. Kimimaru is definitely wasted potential. I would love a video on the sound village and the structure.
All of them at their peak? That includes Sage Kabuto and War Orochimaru with his Zetsu body and their four Hokage as summons…they bulldoze the Shinobi world lmao
@@hobbyhorse5848 well dygo does it in phases so we can see part 1 group from orochimaru to kimimaru and curse mark Sasuke to part 2 early on and so on.
@@ivanbluecoolart 1…beats most of the villages except the Cloud with Orochimaru and his Edos. Part 2 sound village is pretty weak they lost their army and Orochimaru is nerfed and Sasuke is just reaching Kage level at the start of Shippuden. Late part 2 like with Kabuto they solo.
I don't see ant of the sound we see in part one as being strong enough to take out a village besides orochimaru who nearly did,getting into shipudden when we are introduced to jugo, suigetsu and sage kabuto though then they can probably wipe out around three villages or more i'd say.
The “ kimi would have beaten gaara” is such a dumb argument, because we all know gaara would go full power otherwise shukaku would have taken control , gaara literally is fighting while also maintaining his chakura so shukaku wouldn’t take control, if gaara turned into shukaku kimi would have been stomped
I don't really see war arc feats from earlier characters as meaningful. To keep these characters relevant in the story at all, they had to be given crazy amps they never had in life. If Haku and Zabuza were that strong in real life, for example, Team 7 would've never survived the mission. I know, I know. "Haku was holding back." But no! If they both were just that strong and fast, they would've lost. ET feats are usually (though not exclusively) retcons, where early characters had to be amped with War Arc scaling. Otherwise, barring the sealing, they'd be stomped. Zabuza isn't really that strong, there'd be no reason to even go get his body
Yeah, but the only reason they had to be retconed is because Kishimoto fucked the power system up before the war arc. Kakashi and Guy themselves were retconed to be way stronger than they originally were, so is only fair to the characters that died to have the same treatment, or else the power gap would be too much
Honestly I think the retcon goes back even much earlier than that, Naruto & Sasuke at the start of the series were already implied to have chunin strength (they beat chunin after all) , Sasuke easily destroys 10 Zabuza Clones and can pressure Haku with a baby Sharingan who is stronger than Zabuza then Kurama Naruto stomps Haku and Zabuza says that his Chakra is stronger than Kakashi's. The gates and curse mark are then stated to be tens of times multipliers but yet Sasuke with a more developed Sharingan Chidori and Lee's taijutsu along with being stated by the datebook to be stronger than Gates Lee is only stated to be chunin level and the sound four who are stronger than Sasuke was before the curse Ritual struggle against fatigued jounin weaker than Kakashi while 4v2 Oh yeah and there is the jounin blitzing a bloodlusted Neji (who is also stronger than Lee) from like 20 meters across the room. It seems the gap between the genin and upper Ninja was widen after the first arc.
@aaronjahmar8542 I don't really agree with lots of this. Sharingan and curse mark are tools. How strong you are in another matter. Naruto is a jinchuriki, true, but even chakra cloak Naruto wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real fight with Kakashi or Guy, no chance. Curse mark same idea. It'll Amp you. But it'll Amp your base strength! It won't just turn you into Kimmimaro, so skill of the user is also very important to think of
I think Kimi is Jonin level talent. He’s trained under Orochimaru and I don’t know what other powers he didn’t get a chance to show us and had he been healthier, other than being a host for Orochimaru I think he would be Sasuke’s rival in power. I would say he’s stronger than Kabuto, Hidan, Sasori too.
Easily jonin high tier or low kage is while sick (prob sasuke lvl from shippuden so low kage). Sound 4 defeated talented leaf 2 jonin while struggling hard. Kimimaro defeated all 4 as simple as he picked spinach out of his teeth.
@@Clouded-LogicI think his biggest weakness in that fight was him needing to take care of Lee. Otherwise he would have just hovered out of reach and spammed sand burial
@@destroyahdestroyah9584 which can be countered by dance of seedling fern, it's not only extremely fast, its reach is also crazy, like what was it? 200+ meters? it's almost longer than the distance gaara can control his sand
him using the one tail wouldn't have worked because he can be knocked out of that state just by hitting his body while he's asleep which kimimaro would easily do if naruto could pull it off
Kimimaro in stage 2 would’ve likely beaten Kakashi too Kakashi’s only way to hurt him is Rakiri and he has no defense against the final dance Kimimaro did before dying.
Lol FUCK NO. He doesn’t beat any form of Kakashi. Kakashi is the most renowned ninja in the world. A sick Kimi who barely did anything to a pt 1 Gaara is beating Kakashi.
You kind of contradicted yourself A sick Kimo manage to counter all Gaara threw at him and would’ve won if he didn’t die to a disease Kakashi is very strong. He isn’t invincible nor on the levels of people like the Sannin in part 1 Kakashi has no defense against the final dance
Gaara simply was a perfect hard counter for him with his sand techniques, plus the whole sickness thing. No sickness? Probably would be on tier with the Taka members in Shippuden?
He was there when Orochimaru killed the kazekage who we see match gaara in the war. Then he stalemated a kcm clone.. with those 2 feats alone in mind he kind of has to be kage level as a bare minimum when he is healthy.. also since we saw him tank a rasenshuriken as an edo without any damage its kind of hard to argue most characters can actually damage him when he isnt sick. So its kind of sucks that he had ninja aids. I will always hate how him and itachi were essentially always nerfed during the entire show
Most of the sickest characters really never got to show their full potential. Haku is mental nerfed and holding back, Kimimaro and Itachi have ninja aids, Minato never gets to show off cause he gets mental nerfed by seeing Obito then gets truth seeking orbed, Shino gets forgotten about entirely cause his power is too busted etc. It's so sad Kishi would create these amazing characters and never let their potential shine.
Kimimaru is basically a zealot who saw orochimaru as a god while sasuke saw him as a stepping stone and kabuto obsession My guess is easy win against hidan as the bone zone(oun intended) makes hidan unable to get his circle resdy Kakuzu has hard skin so if those bones can Peirce through them it would take a while for either. Itachi no genjutsu the susano. Amatarasu etc. Kisame no water zone better than bone zone. Diadara no. Fly bomb nukes would do everything. Sasori kimimaru could probably win if he bone zones the 100 puppets and his will is so strong he was fighting off anime disease so a healthy kimimaru could last long. But if the poison works then sasori wins. Konan depends if she goes deidara and fly bomb Pain no too many ways to block him same with sage naruto still losing to pain Tobi no. Won't touch him If kimimaru had a time limit to each fight he'd lose
Hidan is pretty fast and his weapon can break the bone zone im pretty sure and all hidan needs is just a little bit of kimimaro blood,i think its gonna be an interesting fight but imo hidan gonna took the W,what kimamaro gonna do to the jashin rituals lol
@@walterfritzzzbone zone prevents hidan from making his seal. If hidan makes the circle. Bone zone blocks it then kimimaru can just behead him and win. Hidan is super slow. He says so himself and kimimaru bone armor would prevent blood from being taken Even if hidan gets the blood he plays with his foe so kimimaru would get a tie if hidan gets all these handicaps of kimimaru waiting
I think one thing that is underutilized in naruto is lightning style being used not as a piercing/physical attack but focus on the conductivity of the nature. I mean think about it. Even if you don’t physically get a hand or weapon through his bones, if you electrocute his body, it’ll still do a tone of internal damage
During his Lee and Gaara fight he had been atrophying in his sick bed for at least several months, which would explain his speed differential with his Edo Tensei version.
Remember, during the war Kimimaro was one of the few not sealed yet when Itachi released Edo Tensei and he fought a Naruto clone in KCM mode and he didn't even use his full curse mark
Hi i recently watched your video on youtube on Danzo and the Root Anbu. After watching it and thinking of how the Uchihua Clan massacre was orchestrated will you make a video explaining the power structure/how much power is between the hokage vs the elders and the shadow hokage and maybe even the feudal lord. Thank you
Generally in writing there is a principal to only kill a character if you have told all the story you can with that character, and can progress another character's story using their death. Kishimoto usually does this well, but sometimes mistakes are made. This probably has to do more with how the manga industry functions, because of the incredibly tight schedules, planning ahead is just not a feasible option for most mangaka.
@@IGSA101and he can't aid more arc unless the editor allow him to do that that why the side characters do nothing they need more arc but they didn't allow him to aid more arc and told him to focus on Naruto and sasuke
I feel like this would be a retcon, as its never mentioned as to why Orochimaru had an intweest in Kimimaru. However anyone think its possible that Orochimaru and his desire to acquire as much information as possible had some sort of interest in Kimimaru because of the distant connection to Kaguya and the possibility of possessing a body that is an otsusuki descendant.
The lowball is crazy. War arc Neji beats Kimmimaro? KCM1 clones had high kage feats. Just the fact that he wasn't sealed by KCM1 clone (in BASE), who scales to high kage level and blitzed opponents like Mu, makes it ridiculous to say all shippuden sasuke forms, war arc Neji, etc are all taking Kimmimaro down. Your logic kind of falls apart in this video.
I wonder what happened to his bone forest after his death. Like is there just a patch of forest made of bone somewhere in the land of fire? Cause that would be a cool fieldtrip for new generations lol.
Kimi was so sick he died mid fight but during that same battle he was bodying garaa and rock lee. Had he been healthy and allowed to grow his abilities he is easily a top 25 ninja all time
Idk when kimimaro deploys his bones there is sometimes blood on them or blood that squirts out that Hidan could take advantage of even if he doesn’t actually cut him
Only issue is he has to be able to remain in his circle for the ritual to work. Standing still doesn't seem to be kimimaros fighting style when he isn't stalling for time.
Kimimaro had as much potential as Naruto and Sasuke. Sharingan is hax but also is Kimimaro’s ability - his bones are as tougher than steel, he can grow them and shape them to his desire, he can regenerate, he can use sage chakra, and he is also a direct descendent of the originator of chakra. People have to take note that Kimimaro wasn’t supposed to be able to move his body at the time he fought Rock Lee and Gaara. Kabuto said he “willed” himself. Also another thing that was shown in the anime and manga, is that it’s nearly impossible to land a blow on Kimimaro in hand to hand combat as he’s able to force out sharp objects of bone from any part of his body. Just think about when Killer Bee was able to cause a stalemate against Minato. Kimimaro kekei genkai gives him faster reaction time
Kimimaro was 15 in season one, he is one of those "if he grew up he would have been dumb powerful" characters. I think if he was not sick and could live a couple more years he could have beaten kakusu and maybe (big maybe) deidara or sasori. Because he had a huge aoe i think he would have a better shot against sasori than against deidara. I doubt it would take out the main body but between most probably taking out a lot of the 100 marionettes and him being able to move through those bones(i think? It was not clear, dude was sticking out of one of those pilars when he died) it would not be weird if he could ambush sasori. Still in a 1v1 there is a big chance of kimimaro getting poisoned before even realizing he needs to go second seal.
I know in the fight Garra says he was out of chakra and may of died, but im not sure, I think if Garra got pushed anymore in that fight he probably would have fallen into shikaku chakra reserves. Which we all know is bad for Garra anyhow but still.
TLWR: The strongest he could probably beat is the Mizukage - Mei. In a kamikaze type victory. She’s effectively a glass cannon. But his tankiness is absurd, but most importantly his defense comes directly from his body - so he just has to spam regrowing. Her range is better. Sadly, any lighting user is going to instantly wreck him. Having bone issues, he was my dude growing up. But to be honest, he’s not soloing any akatsuki. These are tailed beast hunters, they can go up against entire villages ~ not win every time, but occasionally and at least be a very real problem.
Ok, because this is interesting, the battle with Hidan is divided between manga and anime. In the anime Kimimaro's bone attacks looks clean and smooth, in the manga they are a bit messy and bloody, which that alone might be a free card for Hidan, otherwise, yeah
Kimi is easily kage level. Gaara is high Jonin level, and Kimi while paralyzed from the neck down bodies him. Kimi is literally paralyzed, and still beats Rock Lee the taijutsu guy. He was also said to be one of the main reasons Rasa died, though we didnt see the fight at all in the manga, and the anime only showed the final blow. While the edo fight is hard to use since infinite regen and chakra while fighting samurai and a guy who cant seal is gonna be tough, we can determine at least that as far as speed goes Kimi is relative to the guy who beat the Raikage. Its unclear how he defends against genjutsu, but given how his bone jutsu works id bet he can break out of the basic ones. I would go so far as to say Kimi beats everyone in the Akatsuki except for the big 3 and Kisame. For the war arc kage, id say Ohnoki obliterates him, Gaara overwhelms him, aaaaaand he bodies the other 3 in 1v1s
I am so sorry for the fate that kishi has given to Kurenai. She is the only jonin who has not been shown; because she is a woman. If she had been a man Kishi would have had her beat at least one akatsuki member, or at least given more than one battle. In any case, in my opinion Kurenai beats Kimimaro quite easily.
@@VenereBionda she's the best teacher of the bunch tho,took 3 random ass students with skillsets that are the furthest from hers and made the most out of them...honestly as far as japan is concerned kurenai was treated nicely lmao
Kimimaro vs 4th Raikage could be a tie unless Kimimaro's Spear bone can overwhelm Ay's defense. I don't see Ay overcoming Kimimaro's defense as his assault couldn't even breakthrough Gaara's Sand.
I think he stops at Sasori either by (Very Likely) Losing to him but giving him a pretty good fight or in the VERY off chance he beats him but let's be honest he won't, he's Powerful and Very understated but not That much. And i'm assuming this isn't him with cancer and on his Death Bed and all.
Sage mode Naruto was the only threat to Pain and this is a much stronger Naruto throwing hands against a Curse Mark 1 Kimi. I'd say he's AT LEAST Kage level. He's basically untouchable, has infinite ranged attacks, regen, subdermal armor made of his bones, and Seedling Fern which turns the whole battlefield into a forest of bones he can teleport between. He can probably get Genjutsu'd, but if GUY knows not to look a Sharingan user in the eyes I'm pretty sure Kimimaro would know not to look an Uchiha in the eyes or fall for easy Genjutsu as he was trained by Orochimaru. I'd say out of the Akatsuki he takes out Hidan, Zetsu, Kakazu, and Sasori. I feel like Deidara is just gonna stay in the air and Kimimaros just gonna go underground so he doesn't get bombed, so nothing happens. He pisses off Pain, and could probably get rid of all the bodies except Animal(flying) and Deva into another petty war of attrition. him and Konan are such and even match that nothing would happen unless he fights her in the rain village, I don't think he survives 10 minutes of bomb tags Obito can't really suck him in without losing a limb so nothing happens unless Obito uses a Sharingan hack. He might beat Itachi by just using Seedling Fern to just spike him from underground, Susanoo doesn't protect him from underneath and if he's underground the only Hacks Itachi has are Izanami/Izanagi... Which also means Sasuke is boned till he gets Itachis eyes. Kisame however is where things get interesting, because his chakra can be absorbed, but he isn't using Ninjutsu(Seedling fern is up for debate), just really advanced Taijutsu. So Kimamaro rushing Kisame could still end very badly for Kisame and not threaten Kimimaro much since under his skin is a thick shell of bone protecting anything vital. Against the 5 kage... Ohnoki flies and particle style would ignore the bones, Mei could melt him but it'll take a fat minute, Gaara can just keep burying him over and over till he gets bored, Tsunade can tank, but so can he and him against A would definitely be a fight unless the lightning just Negs his bones. Juriaya is more interesting, in fact, that fight would be legendary. Also, he curbs non-prime Hiruzen so hard it isn't even funny.
Low Kage is the highest I’d put him. But I think that’s a fair place to be given that most of his feats came from Part I. I’d place people like Chiyo and Mifune in that tier and I think he fits there nicely. I see some people saying he’s beating people like Deidara and Kakuzu and that’s overselling him greatly. We can’t super-scale him up tiers just because he was dying. We have to look at his toolkit and abilities. Nothing in his arsenal is enough to put down the likes of Deidara who can literally just sit in the sky and win. He doesn’t have any technique that can bypass Kakuzu’s Skin nor can he effectively deal with the hearts throwing large scale Justice at him.
You say that as if Kakuzu can maintained his diamond armor 100% of the time (he can't) and both Hidan and Kakashi were able to tank attacks from Kakuzus hearts and they also got destroyed by TenTen using a weapon that was rapidly draining her Chakra and TenTen is by no means a Chakra monster. Tobirama also stated that as a edo he was ALMOST at full power and Kabuto is even better than Oroachimaru, so don't even start with the ego nerf bullshit.
@@ShadowFiend777 I have zero idea what you’re referring to about Tobirama and Kabuto so I’ll leave that alone lol. The legendary tools have more firepower than anything in Kimi’s arsenal. Those same tools cooked Tenten just for using it which just means the weapons are powerful and take a lot of chakra to utilize. Doesn’t change the fact that Kimi would have a hard time taking down each heart as well as not possessing any elemental advantage to checkmate them that way. Hidan’s only notable trait is his durability/immorality and Kakashi is no glass cannon either so just because they can survive hits from the Hearts doesn’t mean Kimi gets away Scott-free. Kakuzu is just a solid tier above him and he’s not even the most impressive of the individuals in that mid Kage tier.
@@Sasori2105 The tools having more fire powered matters not when Kimmis defense can repell them all. The fact that the tools can rip through tenten so quickly, yet tenten can still take out Kakuzu hearts says a lot. Kakuzu himself was relative in speed to two chunin. Kakashi would actually take Kimmimwith Kamui and Hidan might get him by surprise due to his immortality. Otherwise, Kimmimaro would take his head. Idk if Kakuzu could reattach his head with earth grudge fear, but if he can, then that changes things...
@@ShadowFiend777 You’re gonna need some serious feats to even start to defend the assertion that his defense can tank Heart jutsu like Zukkoku lol. If I’m remembering right, his best defensive feat was surviving Part I Gaara’s Sand Tsunami and Sand Burial. Neither of which have the destructive power of the tools or the heart techniques. Kakuzu being relative in speed to two Chunin is madness when he could keep up with Kakashi to some extent. Kimi’s himself doesn’t have any extraordinary speed feats that even imply he’s even faster than Kakuzu. That is wank of the highest order. I think it would be more fair to say that neither is gonna be running circles around the other. And if you think Part II Kakashi (at any point of Shippuden) even needs Kamui to put Kimi in the ground then we just have two completely different perspectives on Kimimmaro’s abilities to even have a proper debate. Of the three, Hidan is the only one that he even stands a chance against. And even then it’s not anywhere near a stomp. But Hidan is the tier of character you need to be thinking about when it comes to Kimi. Not Kakuzu and fucking Kakashi.
@@Sasori2105 Sand burial and tsunami are excessively powerful earth style jutsu. Claiming Kakuzus heart jutsus are stronger is like saying they're stronger than Kisame's water style. Kakuzu has all 5, but that doesn't make him a grand master of any of them. Kimmimaro is faster than Kakuzu when you consider he fact that he'd be 15-16 while Kakuzu is 91. We also see speed isn't his strong suit when beginning of shippuden Naruto hits him with an extremely loud rasenshuriken that Kakuzu knew was coming, yet couldn't get out of the way in time. As for Kakashi needing Kamui or not. Keep in mind that Kimmimaro was able to keep up with and avoid attacks from a kcm Naruto clone during the war arc and he never got sealed away. I won't claim Kakashi NEEDS kamui, but it certainly wouldn't be a stomp in Kakashi's favor if they were to fight. Against Hidan, I agree it's not a stomp, but keep in mind Hidan only has his ritual jutsu and Tai jutsu. He's not exactly a rock lee and his scythe would break when in contact with his bones.
I feel like throughout this video you forgot that shadow clones split chakra equally amongst the remaining naruto clones so technically each naruto kcm clone might only be kage level
I think we need to acknowledge the sound four defeated the guards of the fourth hokage themselves and we're still able to fight afterwards Kimimaru was able to stomp them without receiving a single injury Which I at least think kakashi could not do against the two johnins that were defeated
Taking over another body doesn't require hand signs, he just needs to turn into his true form, eat the victim and dominate their mind, as we saw with his attempt to take Sasuke's body. If you were wondering, while he does learn to move his arms and hands, he can't weave hand signs without his soul hands and only uses hands-free jutsu until he uses the Shinigami Mask to free all the sealed souls in the Shinigami and recover his hands.
@@ThermiteKitty Yeah, and to think that he lost a vast array of jutsu, amongst them the Edo Tensei. It's sad that we don't see Orochimaru using hand seals to fight in the war. The only offensive, non-snake related jutsu we saw from him was I believe that wind storm he used in the Forest of Death.
Scaling sick and healthy versions of characters is almost impossible unless we have more evidence. Even the Edo versions of Itachi and Kimimaro are ambiguous because they are nerfed by edo
I’d put kimimaro at low kage level. I don’t see Orichimaru considering anything less worthy of being his next permanent body. I don’t see him beating any akatsuki member. He has a chamce against hidan and konan maybe, but hidan was still swapping hands with post time skip kakashi. Plus he bleeds in the manga when using his bones so I imagine hidan has more than enough opportunities to steal some blood. Konnan is weird because she can easily stay out of his reach, but I also don’t believe her paper bombs can really crack kimimaros bone armor, at least at first. I wouldn’ rank edo feats to highly. Edo Zabuza was putting up a fight against a way stronger kakashi, but he wasn’t anywhere that Level when alive.
The way I see it he was pictured as the strongest in part one ONLY IF we exclude Hokage level characters like Sandaime, Jirayia, Orochimaru, etc Definitely could've beaten Kakashi pre ellipse def not shippuden kakashi though. So an in between those two Kakashis. However I don't see him beating Kakuzu because he would know supposedly nothing about him before that fight.
Lost potential, its very likely Kimimaro's Bone kekkei genkai could have upgraded into the ash bones that Kaguya has which one shot enemies. Kind of like how the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan.
What the fuck is going on with the Kimimaro riding in the comments? I perfectly understand he was PRETTY strong for Part 1, but people using arguments like he was the main reason they killed Gaara's dad is just stupid. We don't know what happened or how it happened. Canonically, Kimimaro basically did nothing during the war to put him anywhere kage level either. By canonically, i mean in the manga, the rest was filler in the anime. I think you could make an argument for him being hebi Sasuke level in Shippuden, had he reached that part in the series. Maybe he could've even gotten to high kage level. But as he was, even in a healthy state, there's nothing to suggest he was genuinely kage level, apart from assumption based on one statement. Gaara definitely wasn't kage level then either.
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He could beat hidan
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I think he stops at Sasori either by (Very Likely) Losing to him but giving him a pretty good fight or in the VERY off chance he beats him but let's be honest he won't, he's Powerful and Very understated but not That much. And i'm assuming this isn't him with cancer and on his Death Bed and all.
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In part 1 he is Jonin level+ just for taking on Gaara the way he did. In his prime no illness he would’ve helped Orochimaru bulldoze Hiruzen, when he started getting sick he helped Orochimaru body Rasa, as an Edo without illness he took on Mifune and the whole samurai army with Chiyo, basically at least above early part 2 Gaara with pure hands alone
I think a healthy kimmimaru should be just a tad under start of shippuden sasuke in base stats.
Kimmimaru would shit on practically every taijutsu type with his body hardening and unorthodox fighting style.
His stamina probably was really high too, seeing as he ran from the hide out to jugo, then the sound 4 to take sasuke, and ran a little top genin gauntlet. All on his last hours before his body fails.
@@spit-fireBase stats in what way? Strength? Durability? Dexterity? In Naruto these are all separate categories so it’s hard to judge with most being glass canons…his bones can straight up go blow for blow with samurai chakra blades that can clash with Sasuke’s raiton kusanagi without damage (Mifune). His dexterity is higher by feats. Both aren’t strength fighters but Kimimaro dug himself out of hundreds of meters of sand and just barreled through it with raw physical strength while so sick he shouldn’t have even been able to move. that’s a monster strength feat.
@@hobbyhorse5848 in BASE to BASE just stats like speed, mobility, physical strength, kenjutsu, stuff like that. Obviously their special abilities effect it tho like sharingan for mobility, bones for strength
@@hobbyhorse5848 like in manga when jugo thinks back to kimmimaru and looks at sasuke, he thinks of him as a reincarnation. Idk I see lots of parallels that suggest start of shippuden base sasuke should be around base healthy kimmimaru
He's easily already low Kage level in part 1 along with Gara... none of the Jonin besides Guy would stand a chance against kimimaro... Asuma is getting his ass clapped 💯
Kuronai is always so funny whenever she comes up in an analysis video. She literally just has one negative feat of getting out-genjutsu'd by itachi but it doesn't really say much
Its like if a new character is introduced and the only thing we see him do is get out-taijutsu'd in a very brief exchange with eighth gate guy.
Kimimaro is very much kage level when not sick. Not low kage, just kage. Kimimaro, while sick (but not yet succumbed to that sickness), is stated by Orochimaru to be the primary reason they were able to kill the kazekage, Gaara's dad. *After* succumbing to his illness, which literally completely paralyzed him from the neck down and could be neither healed nor staved off by Kabuto (one of the greatest medical ninja in Naruto history), he was able to force his body to move via sheer willpower and fight both Lee and Gaara. Gaara is explicitly high jonin to low kage level at the time, being a jinchuriki who has with ease killed dozens of jonin assassins sent to kill him. Kimimaro, while severely weakened, kinda mopped the floor with Gaara all things considered, and would've killed him if not for his illness killing him first. I don't think there's any argument to say he's less than kage level.
Thanks, this precisely. Kimimaro was basically a walking dead man and he defeated Gaara burried him 200m underground, pressuring him with sand. So 200m worth of sand pressuring him did literally 0 DAMAGE to dead man Kimimaro.
His speed is hard to argue due to his state, he's supposed to be paralyzed so he was much slower than he should be.
I think if he was perfectly healthy with CM2 available he'd be able to kill A solo. Why? Because from paralyzed to fully healthy, his speed would literally skyrocket. His defense has yet to be defeated by anything or anyone. His chakra reserves are superior to Kisame's FFS. With something that looks like 10% of CM1 (the tattoo on his chest), he kept KCM1 clone Naruto away for hours. So with the full power of the curse mark...He's above Kakuzu and even Kisame.
Had he been Orochimaru's host like Sasuke, he would have become stronger than Pain because he'd be simply invincible, no technique but rasenshuriken would have any chance of dealing any lasting damage on him, his speed would be amped, he would have perfect control of the cursed mark, would be able to summon snakes, to reform his body, to spit a new body in case anyone miraculously got enough attack power to harm him, he would have Kusanagi, 3 Rashômon gates can tank a considerable amount of a 4t Kyûbi bomb and that was from an Orochimaru in a dying body.
There's no wonder Orochimaru wanted his body so bad, with 3 years of training in this body he would solo Akatsuki (let's not forget that all of Kimimaro's feats are based on his 15 YO pre-time skip self and Edo Tensei doesn't have CM or very little, so if you add Orochimaru's skillset, mastery of ninjutsu and his unique abilities like making his body flexible like a snake...he would take 0 physical damage, only be damaged by elemental attacks or yin or yang very powerful attacks, or space-time offensive techniques).
This Kimimaro could have soloed post Konoha crush Leaf village and gotten the Forbidden Scroll, learnt every technique in it, hell he could have used shadow clone training.
If he got a MS and some Senju DNA, he might be able to get a rinnegan and from that point the only thing able to do anything to him is literally Kamui, a skill that doesn't consider durability (and maybe the truth seeking orbs but hey, these are alien techniques so they don't count). Add a random tailed beast to the mix and...well...he'd be relative to Madara's strongest form? Probably even more durable.
I agree at all
How?! Bro just a fodder idk why you all hyping him up
@@Emerald-z2p Fodder??? He's a high jonin level shinobi at the absolute minimum, even while sick and nearly paralyzed. I don't know how you're managing to downplay him so much. His defenses are nearly as great as Gaara's. His offense is strong enough to bypass Gaara's defenses. He's one of the most skilled and powerful taijutsu users in the verse, able to keep up with and overwhelm both Lee and Gaara back to back. Gaara is jonin level when we first meet him, let alone later on. By then he's already low kage. And Kimimaro almost completely overwhelmed him.
And he did all of that while so sick that he was paralyzed from the neck down. His body should not have been able to move *at all*. I really need you to take into account the extreme severity of his condition. He got up from sheer willpower, and was nowhere even remotely close to 100% of his strength. Orochimaru himself outright stated that the assassination of the kazekage went so well largely because Kimimaro was there. Like it's not difficult to understand. While not sick, Kimimaro would easily be one of the fastest and strongest shinobi in the world, and easily has one of the best most impenetrable defenses in the verse.
@@EmpressAaliyah Yes, but there are a lot of people how don't seem to realize about this fact.
Kimimaro is so underrated! Love to see him get talked about. Him, Dosu, Kisame, Shino are some of my favorite side characters, yet all underrated.
Same here (only speaking about Kimimaro though). He was the reason I started watching Naruto, at around 8 years old. Randomly saw him on the internet and got fascinated by his design and allure.
At the moment being obsessed with The Serpent Lord (Orochimaru), I enjoy even more the affectionate scenes between them and wish Kimimaro was kept around for longer. So much unexplored potential...
Dosu was funny, wish he had more screentime. Shino though.. Zaku was right, he was a total freak. Thank God he's not real, or my phobia of bugs would reach stage 5 😖😖😖
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@@SyedAli-gl7jqwtf is this guy on
@@maxgaming9207 lol
I always appreciate the Ragnarok Online music you sneak into these videos. I was playing it when I was watching Naruto for the first time in highschool so they're always interconnected in my head and it sends me right back there.
Trying to find the first song in the vid, do you know the name?
IMO Kimamaro vs Hidan would be interesting. And imagine if Kimimaro survived until Shippuden and trained with Sasuke. I can see him beating Hidan and Kakuzu but still losing to Deidara
would ve,could ve,if he made it to shippuden he might ve had a glow up and been able to beat madara even,he didnt
He's not stronger than kakuzu im pretty sure even though he trained a lot,kakuzu literally wiped out a bijuu(two tails) and he lost to kakashi and naruto just bcs of plot
I can’t see a way for Hidan to take him, bone removal doesn’t seem to leave blood and he’s a melee specialist with very strong defenses. He stalemated a KCM 1 clone as edo tensai so he’d probably tango pretty easily with any of the members in a normal fight, but he doesn’t have a way to beat deidara’s C4, or any of the other hack style abilities like vs Itachi for example.
@@TheBillhsuseless ass comment
@@walterfritzzzkuzu never wiped out any Bijuu lol, he lost to Naruto because he got tricked and fans who over inflated his power can’t accept that
Kimimaro should’ve been to Sasuke, what Killer B was to Naruto. I could see Kimimaro getting to a point where he tells Sasuke
“I know you plan on killing Orochimaru, my loyalty is to him. But I have also come to respect you. Whoever emerges from your battle. I will follow.”
nah
that would have been dope. we were robbed honestly
Kimmaro worshipped orochimaru as if he was god no way he’d stand and watch sasuke attack his lord
@@juswavvy9634 I’m aware, doesn’t mean Kishimoto could’nt have wrote it differently. I could also imagine Kimimaro actually being the only one whose curious about Killer B’s “Rhymes” once Sasuke’s team helped in the war. He was very intrigued by things that were new to him.
I'd like that, but. Kimimaro wouldn't give that to Sasuke so easily
In the Manga, Kimimaro bleeds when he uses his bones, so I'd say Hidan might win because of that.
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I don't remember kimmiaro bleeding in the manga but i do remember his skin peeling when using his bones.
except for the fact that he would never let him draw the circle to kill him and would ultimately beat him in a taijutsu battle
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@@Enward420 ik
The issue with Kimi is we never saw his prime really, when did he really get sick for example? Do we know this?
Maybe he had to stop training years before we first saw him, but still managed to hold his own against most ninjas. Kimimaro is one of the biggest what ifs in the series :(
Yeah man, I've always thought about the training, and it's probably a key-fact. If he was extremely sick and lay on his deathbed by the time he fought against Gaara (and the other ones), it's obvious that he wasn't training for a long time. Those facts in addition to the terminal illness, give us a clear idea of how nerfed Kimimaro was. Totally off fit.
He got low screen time, but so much love like Shisui
He was only like 15?
@@burplebayak2486 Yeah he was 15 when he died, and probably been sick for quite some time.
Kimimaro was also stated to be the one that contained Juugo when he gone in a killing spree.
He should be at least as strong as Juugo, if not more. And probably stronger than anyone in team Hebi, save for Sasuke after absorb Orochimaru.
Sasuke without Orochimaru may be a good benchmark for Kimimaro. And since Juugo was able to give some fight to the Raikage it is safe to assume Kimimaro would do a bit better (but not winning)
Juugo was also defeated by Killer Bee in his base. Bee that also beat MS Sasuke, who is one step above regular Sasuke.
I think that is it, Kimimaro is equal to base Sasuke without MS.
This Sasuke was able to fight Sai and Yamato together. Two high level ninjas, one being a Jounin.
With Yamato also saying he held back though. Let’s not over do things like usual. 🙄
You should do a “What if lee fought the sound 4” how much time would’ve been saved if he was able joined sooner
Lee already struggle with Kimimaro, so..
Prime Kimimaro vs Kabuto at any stage of Kabuto's life is THE match up. Orochimaru wasn't going to choose kimimaro to be worse than kabuto, ever. Even with kabuto's war arch enhancements Kabuto still had the weakness of trying to be something he wasn't while Kimimaro was Him. I think they battle to the death in kabuto's war arch form.
If you're not letting kabuto use edo tensei, then sure. But snake sage kabuto vs kimimaru would be an interesting fight for sure.
You'd have to wank him pretty hard for him to be able to compete with Kabuto at that stage part one Kabuto was supposed to be on kakashi's level. I just don't see him defeating kakashi
@@DeadSezSo Good Point. I envision a scenario where instead of Itachi and sasuke finding Kabuto, it was prime kimimaru, and he didnt have to keep kabuto alive to undo Edo Tensei.
@@kyeduren5233
Do you watch Naruto?
Sage Kabuto ist on Legend Level the Level of Edo Itachi,KCM Minato and Nagato.Kabuto would beat Kimmimaru with easy
He reanimate Kimimaro and we were robbed to see the potential of Kimimaro, talking to Kabuto again after being reanimated
Yes,
While sick:
Juzo
Sasori
Hidan
While healthy:
Suigetsu
Kakuzu
Deidara
Jugo
Konan
Kisame (Not fused with samehada)
We were robbed of the Kimimaro vs Naruto Clone fight in Shippuden. Kimimaro's jutsu was unstoppable and had no weakness. It would have been great if Naruto fought him and find a way to beat and seal him. And then later when he fight Kaguya, Naruto use that knowledge in his fight against Kimimaro to find a way to beat Kaguya.
Of course it has weaknesses and limits.
Any ability does. It just takes the right tools.
For example:
A bad matchup for Kimi would be Kisame.
-Can Summon an ocean wich negates his speed and keeps him above ground, bone yard range. Can bypass durqbility by constantly draining his chakra while being super fast and nimble in the water and getting stronger the more chakra he absorbs.
Any Genjutsu user with a strong enough ability could also get him. He is a strong and fast merllee fighter with ranged bone options and high durability and speed. But even Oroichimaru couldnt deal with Itachis Genjutsu.
But against Naruto?
-Prior to KCM Kimi would own him.
-Kcm1-2 Kimi would get outsped and broken through by Rasenshuriken amped by Bijuus and what not.
So overall a mid fight as the jump Naruto made was quiet big.
But it depends if the bones can bypass the Kyuubi cloak.
@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm I would agree with genjutsu except he easily beat one of the top tier users sound 4 chick. Strategist spiderguy. And his kkgk should be stronger as he is healthier. So could match naruto rasengan.
Nah, Naruto got no time for that. He need to save his boyfriend 😂
I've always got the feeling Kishimoto realised he made Shino to OP that's why he kept him out of a lot of the story
He was hard to draw and the side characters need more arc to focus on them which kishimoto can't do unless the editor allow him to di that
Nah, fire is enough 😂
The Abarame in general were my favourites, cold character designs and really interesting techniques like torune forcing obito to cut off his arm simply because he touched him and his hashirama cells couldn’t even best the micro bacteria
Imagine if Orochimaru took a healthy Kimimaro's body
Imagine if Orochimaru didn't lose his arms, or if he took Itachi's or even Sasuke's body.
@@giannixx Imagine if Orochimaru wasn't entirely pushed to the side as a villain and the getting his arms back plot point actually played out. He was so sick even without having an uchiha or kimimaros body.
What if genyumaru is still alive @@whiteflame24
@@ThunderTube-mf2bp ???
@@whiteflame24 that guy has cyan hair and he was killed by orochimaru and he become new orochimaru's body
There is one thing you forgot to mention and that is that Kimimaro only used cm1 vs Naruto in the war arc, so he didnt even consider cm2 in a fight like that.
High jonin to low kage level sound about right for the version of Kimimaro we see in part 1 to me. From that onwards it depends on the jutsus and skill set. I think one could make a strong case that Deidara could bear Kimimaro (let me add that I really like Kimimaro, so no fanboy). Deidara figured out Gaaras tactic while fighting, all his "The jinchuriki of the one tail... pff, let's see what he's got" and then pretty much that tactic. Flying to keep distance. He will be able to dodge the finger bones Kimimaro shoots, if they even get so far. Then dropping his clay explosives from the sky until Kimimaro cannot regenerate anymore...
Also the micro sized expulsion's that kimimaro cannot block or even see is also a huge deal I would say.
@@trellyv8826 Good point 🤔
Nah, he's easily already low Kage level in part 1 along with Gara... none of the Jonin besides Guy would stand a chance against kimimaro... Asuma is getting his ass clapped 💯
my boy kimimaro is so underrated.😭
So cool wish we could have gotten more of him
He could've lasted a little longer. Poor boy, he died of a tuberculosis-like disease and died.
Still pissy about how he died.
I'm still sick to this day about his death....
You should do a video on how powerful the sound village is if we combine all the ninja as a nation with or without sasuke. Who could they defeat in terms of village and such. That would be cool as the sound village is less a village and more hust workshops.
Kimimaru is definitely wasted potential. I would love a video on the sound village and the structure.
All of them at their peak? That includes Sage Kabuto and War Orochimaru with his Zetsu body and their four Hokage as summons…they bulldoze the Shinobi world lmao
@@hobbyhorse5848 well dygo does it in phases so we can see part 1 group from orochimaru to kimimaru and curse mark Sasuke to part 2 early on and so on.
@@ivanbluecoolart 1…beats most of the villages except the Cloud with Orochimaru and his Edos. Part 2 sound village is pretty weak they lost their army and Orochimaru is nerfed and Sasuke is just reaching Kage level at the start of Shippuden. Late part 2 like with Kabuto they solo.
I don't see ant of the sound we see in part one as being strong enough to take out a village besides orochimaru who nearly did,getting into shipudden when we are introduced to jugo, suigetsu and sage kabuto though then they can probably wipe out around three villages or more i'd say.
Dygo could say Temari is solar system level
Bring up the most weird arguements
And i'd believe and be like
" Oh yeah, that's true. "
Now this is the type of conversation I want from the Naruto youtubers.
Kimimaro is one of my fave characters for sure. Too bad he had ninja cancer
I named my late tomcat after Kimimaro 🤍 if I ever decide to post videos, you'll see that is *exactly* how Kimimaro would look like in feline form.
The “ kimi would have beaten gaara” is such a dumb argument, because we all know gaara would go full power otherwise shukaku would have taken control , gaara literally is fighting while also maintaining his chakura so shukaku wouldn’t take control, if gaara turned into shukaku kimi would have been stomped
I like how Naruto just throws the rasenshuriken and just hits like 3 samurai 😂
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I don't really see war arc feats from earlier characters as meaningful. To keep these characters relevant in the story at all, they had to be given crazy amps they never had in life. If Haku and Zabuza were that strong in real life, for example, Team 7 would've never survived the mission. I know, I know. "Haku was holding back." But no! If they both were just that strong and fast, they would've lost. ET feats are usually (though not exclusively) retcons, where early characters had to be amped with War Arc scaling. Otherwise, barring the sealing, they'd be stomped. Zabuza isn't really that strong, there'd be no reason to even go get his body
Yeah, but the only reason they had to be retconed is because Kishimoto fucked the power system up before the war arc. Kakashi and Guy themselves were retconed to be way stronger than they originally were, so is only fair to the characters that died to have the same treatment, or else the power gap would be too much
Honestly I think the retcon goes back even much earlier than that, Naruto & Sasuke at the start of the series were already implied to have chunin strength (they beat chunin after all) , Sasuke easily destroys 10 Zabuza Clones and can pressure Haku with a baby Sharingan who is stronger than Zabuza then Kurama Naruto stomps Haku and Zabuza says that his Chakra is stronger than Kakashi's. The gates and curse mark are then stated to be tens of times multipliers but yet Sasuke with a more developed Sharingan Chidori and Lee's taijutsu along with being stated by the datebook to be stronger than Gates Lee is only stated to be chunin level and the sound four who are stronger than Sasuke was before the curse Ritual struggle against fatigued jounin weaker than Kakashi while 4v2
Oh yeah and there is the jounin blitzing a bloodlusted Neji (who is also stronger than Lee) from like 20 meters across the room. It seems the gap between the genin and upper Ninja was widen after the first arc.
@aaronjahmar8542 I don't really agree with lots of this. Sharingan and curse mark are tools. How strong you are in another matter. Naruto is a jinchuriki, true, but even chakra cloak Naruto wouldn't last 5 minutes in a real fight with Kakashi or Guy, no chance. Curse mark same idea. It'll Amp you. But it'll Amp your base strength! It won't just turn you into Kimmimaro, so skill of the user is also very important to think of
I think Kimimaro beats Kakuzu pretty easily. I can't see an Edo Tensei Kakuzu doing anything against a KCM1 Naruto clone.
I think Kimi is Jonin level talent. He’s trained under Orochimaru and I don’t know what other powers he didn’t get a chance to show us and had he been healthier, other than being a host for Orochimaru I think he would be Sasuke’s rival in power. I would say he’s stronger than Kabuto, Hidan, Sasori too.
Easily jonin high tier or low kage is while sick (prob sasuke lvl from shippuden so low kage). Sound 4 defeated talented leaf 2 jonin while struggling hard. Kimimaro defeated all 4 as simple as he picked spinach out of his teeth.
Dygoknight puts the fear god in me everytime he powerscales
Well in Gaara's defense, he didn't use his One Tails. He still had an amp in the pocket
Not sure that would matter, since the way he made use of it left him a sitting duck, that Kimimaro could easily take advantage of.
@@Clouded-Logicwell shukaku literally takes over so gaara himself wouldn’t have to do anything and he could get shukaku to just one shot him
@@Clouded-LogicI think his biggest weakness in that fight was him needing to take care of Lee. Otherwise he would have just hovered out of reach and spammed sand burial
@@destroyahdestroyah9584 which can be countered by dance of seedling fern, it's not only extremely fast, its reach is also crazy, like what was it? 200+ meters? it's almost longer than the distance gaara can control his sand
him using the one tail wouldn't have worked because he can be knocked out of that state just by hitting his body while he's asleep which kimimaro would easily do if naruto could pull it off
Kimimaro in stage 2 would’ve likely beaten Kakashi too
Kakashi’s only way to hurt him is Rakiri and he has no defense against the final dance Kimimaro did before dying.
Lol FUCK NO. He doesn’t beat any form of Kakashi. Kakashi is the most renowned ninja in the world. A sick Kimi who barely did anything to a pt 1 Gaara is beating Kakashi.
You kind of contradicted yourself
A sick Kimo manage to counter all Gaara threw at him and would’ve won if he didn’t die to a disease
Kakashi is very strong. He isn’t invincible nor on the levels of people like the Sannin in part 1
Kakashi has no defense against the final dance
@@kaekae1782 Renowned only because of his stolen eye. He's a fraud.
Gaara simply was a perfect hard counter for him with his sand techniques, plus the whole sickness thing. No sickness? Probably would be on tier with the Taka members in Shippuden?
This. Def taka lvl
He was there when Orochimaru killed the kazekage who we see match gaara in the war. Then he stalemated a kcm clone.. with those 2 feats alone in mind he kind of has to be kage level as a bare minimum when he is healthy.. also since we saw him tank a rasenshuriken as an edo without any damage its kind of hard to argue most characters can actually damage him when he isnt sick. So its kind of sucks that he had ninja aids. I will always hate how him and itachi were essentially always nerfed during the entire show
Most of the sickest characters really never got to show their full potential. Haku is mental nerfed and holding back, Kimimaro and Itachi have ninja aids, Minato never gets to show off cause he gets mental nerfed by seeing Obito then gets truth seeking orbed, Shino gets forgotten about entirely cause his power is too busted etc. It's so sad Kishi would create these amazing characters and never let their potential shine.
Bro i cant wait a remake of this fight
Kimimaru is basically a zealot who saw orochimaru as a god while sasuke saw him as a stepping stone and kabuto obsession
My guess is easy win against hidan as the bone zone(oun intended) makes hidan unable to get his circle resdy
Kakuzu has hard skin so if those bones can Peirce through them it would take a while for either.
Itachi no genjutsu the susano. Amatarasu etc.
Kisame no water zone better than bone zone.
Diadara no. Fly bomb nukes would do everything.
Sasori kimimaru could probably win if he bone zones the 100 puppets and his will is so strong he was fighting off anime disease so a healthy kimimaru could last long. But if the poison works then sasori wins.
Konan depends if she goes deidara and fly bomb
Pain no too many ways to block him same with sage naruto still losing to pain
Tobi no. Won't touch him
If kimimaru had a time limit to each fight he'd lose
Hidan is pretty fast and his weapon can break the bone zone im pretty sure and all hidan needs is just a little bit of kimimaro blood,i think its gonna be an interesting fight but imo hidan gonna took the W,what kimamaro gonna do to the jashin rituals lol
@@walterfritzzzbone zone prevents hidan from making his seal. If hidan makes the circle. Bone zone blocks it then kimimaru can just behead him and win.
Hidan is super slow. He says so himself and kimimaru bone armor would prevent blood from being taken
Even if hidan gets the blood he plays with his foe so kimimaru would get a tie if hidan gets all these handicaps of kimimaru waiting
I think one thing that is underutilized in naruto is lightning style being used not as a piercing/physical attack but focus on the conductivity of the nature. I mean think about it. Even if you don’t physically get a hand or weapon through his bones, if you electrocute his body, it’ll still do a tone of internal damage
To me I would put Kimmimaro right underneath Sanin level in terms of strength
2:15 they were both fresh out of the bed. Both sick/ recovering at the time.
Good topic!
Healthy? I'd probably put him at least above Hidan.
During his Lee and Gaara fight he had been atrophying in his sick bed for at least several months, which would explain his speed differential with his Edo Tensei version.
Remember, during the war Kimimaro was one of the few not sealed yet when Itachi released Edo Tensei and he fought a Naruto clone in KCM mode and he didn't even use his full curse mark
Hi i recently watched your video on youtube on Danzo and the Root Anbu. After watching it and thinking of how the Uchihua Clan massacre was orchestrated
will you make a video explaining the power structure/how much power is between the hokage vs the elders and the shadow hokage and maybe even the feudal lord. Thank you
Kimimaro was always one of my favorite characters. Him and Dosu got taken out the story to early.
Generally in writing there is a principal to only kill a character if you have told all the story you can with that character, and can progress another character's story using their death. Kishimoto usually does this well, but sometimes mistakes are made. This probably has to do more with how the manga industry functions, because of the incredibly tight schedules, planning ahead is just not a feasible option for most mangaka.
@@IGSA101 *sigh* I guess 😅
@@IGSA101and he can't aid more arc unless the editor allow him to do that that why the side characters do nothing they need more arc but they didn't allow him to aid more arc and told him to focus on Naruto and sasuke
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I feel like this would be a retcon, as its never mentioned as to why Orochimaru had an intweest in Kimimaru. However anyone think its possible that Orochimaru and his desire to acquire as much information as possible had some sort of interest in Kimimaru because of the distant connection to Kaguya and the possibility of possessing a body that is an otsusuki descendant.
The lowball is crazy. War arc Neji beats Kimmimaro? KCM1 clones had high kage feats. Just the fact that he wasn't sealed by KCM1 clone (in BASE), who scales to high kage level and blitzed opponents like Mu, makes it ridiculous to say all shippuden sasuke forms, war arc Neji, etc are all taking Kimmimaro down. Your logic kind of falls apart in this video.
I wonder what happened to his bone forest after his death. Like is there just a patch of forest made of bone somewhere in the land of fire? Cause that would be a cool fieldtrip for new generations lol.
I watch videos on 2x speed and even then I was like “dang this guy is talking really slow.” I put it on normal speed to check and my god…
Make a video titled ,, why didn't Obito take his eye back from Kakashi " . I think the mission to capture all 9 tails would have been way easier !
5:25 If Kimimaro was there to help Orochimaru, he wouldn't need to summon 1st, 2nd and 4th Hokage to beat him. Kimimaro is enough for him.
Kimi was so sick he died mid fight but during that same battle he was bodying garaa and rock lee. Had he been healthy and allowed to grow his abilities he is easily a top 25 ninja all time
Idk when kimimaro deploys his bones there is sometimes blood on them or blood that squirts out that Hidan could take advantage of even if he doesn’t actually cut him
Only issue is he has to be able to remain in his circle for the ritual to work. Standing still doesn't seem to be kimimaros fighting style when he isn't stalling for time.
Video request:
Jiraiya vs Orochimaru
Orochimaru
@@Sennodev💯
Hydra oro>prime jiraiya>P1 oro
@@Sennodev agree but it's still worth a discussion.
Here's a better fight, Orochimaru (Boruto era) vs Kashin Koji
@@senonimoustv2497 how about Orochimaru vs Kisame (with and w/o samehada)
If I remember correctly kimimaru also participated in the battle between Orochimaru and Rasa the 4th Kazekage.
Kimimaro had as much potential as Naruto and Sasuke. Sharingan is hax but also is Kimimaro’s ability - his bones are as tougher than steel, he can grow them and shape them to his desire, he can regenerate, he can use sage chakra, and he is also a direct descendent of the originator of chakra. People have to take note that Kimimaro wasn’t supposed to be able to move his body at the time he fought Rock Lee and Gaara. Kabuto said he “willed” himself.
Also another thing that was shown in the anime and manga, is that it’s nearly impossible to land a blow on Kimimaro in hand to hand combat as he’s able to force out sharp objects of bone from any part of his body. Just think about when Killer Bee was able to cause a stalemate against Minato. Kimimaro kekei genkai gives him faster reaction time
Kimimaro was 15 in season one, he is one of those "if he grew up he would have been dumb powerful" characters. I think if he was not sick and could live a couple more years he could have beaten kakusu and maybe (big maybe) deidara or sasori. Because he had a huge aoe i think he would have a better shot against sasori than against deidara. I doubt it would take out the main body but between most probably taking out a lot of the 100 marionettes and him being able to move through those bones(i think? It was not clear, dude was sticking out of one of those pilars when he died) it would not be weird if he could ambush sasori. Still in a 1v1 there is a big chance of kimimaro getting poisoned before even realizing he needs to go second seal.
You need 100k subs
I know in the fight Garra says he was out of chakra and may of died, but im not sure, I think if Garra got pushed anymore in that fight he probably would have fallen into shikaku chakra reserves. Which we all know is bad for Garra anyhow but still.
TLWR: The strongest he could probably beat is the Mizukage - Mei.
In a kamikaze type victory.
She’s effectively a glass cannon. But his tankiness is absurd, but most importantly his defense comes directly from his body - so he just has to spam regrowing.
Her range is better.
Sadly, any lighting user is going to instantly wreck him.
Having bone issues, he was my dude growing up.
But to be honest, he’s not soloing any akatsuki.
These are tailed beast hunters, they can go up against entire villages ~ not win every time, but occasionally and at least be a very real problem.
Shino has no Ls. He’s underrated. His clan is a noble clan and his dad is the chief.
We should have seen kimimaro learn the sound jutsu of those sound genin of the chunin exam arc. With his bones he can mimic their body modification.
I wish you could've explained more on kimimaru vs dadara
Kimimaru is about Zabuza and Haku level.
That Ragnarok Online music aaaa
Probably none of them, but if we’re talking about a kimimaro who never got sick then it’s hard to say but definitely interesting to think about.
kimimaro is a tough opponent, bro, he could potentially defeat characters like neji or kankuro, but it would be a close fight.
it would not be a stretch to say, that Kimimaro last form would be equal to he's first form if he was healthy
Ok, because this is interesting, the battle with Hidan is divided between manga and anime. In the anime Kimimaro's bone attacks looks clean and smooth, in the manga they are a bit messy and bloody, which that alone might be a free card for Hidan, otherwise, yeah
Edo tenseis come back in the last form they died in. So just how negato came back with bum legs, kimimaro would be back as his sick self.
Kimi is easily kage level. Gaara is high Jonin level, and Kimi while paralyzed from the neck down bodies him. Kimi is literally paralyzed, and still beats Rock Lee the taijutsu guy. He was also said to be one of the main reasons Rasa died, though we didnt see the fight at all in the manga, and the anime only showed the final blow. While the edo fight is hard to use since infinite regen and chakra while fighting samurai and a guy who cant seal is gonna be tough, we can determine at least that as far as speed goes Kimi is relative to the guy who beat the Raikage. Its unclear how he defends against genjutsu, but given how his bone jutsu works id bet he can break out of the basic ones.
I would go so far as to say Kimi beats everyone in the Akatsuki except for the big 3 and Kisame. For the war arc kage, id say Ohnoki obliterates him, Gaara overwhelms him, aaaaaand he bodies the other 3 in 1v1s
"maybe kurenai could get him under genjutsu..." my dude that's literally all he does,kurenai without genjutsu is like boruto gai
I am so sorry for the fate that kishi has given to Kurenai. She is the only jonin who has not been shown; because she is a woman. If she had been a man Kishi would have had her beat at least one akatsuki member, or at least given more than one battle. In any case, in my opinion Kurenai beats Kimimaro quite easily.
@@VenereBionda she's the best teacher of the bunch tho,took 3 random ass students with skillsets that are the furthest from hers and made the most out of them...honestly as far as japan is concerned kurenai was treated nicely lmao
To be fair he was a candidate for Orochimaru, till he got sick.
Kimimaro vs 4th Raikage could be a tie unless Kimimaro's Spear bone can overwhelm Ay's defense. I don't see Ay overcoming Kimimaro's defense as his assault couldn't even breakthrough Gaara's Sand.
I think he stops at Sasori either by (Very Likely) Losing to him but giving him a pretty good fight or in the VERY off chance he beats him but let's be honest he won't, he's Powerful and Very understated but not That much. And i'm assuming this isn't him with cancer and on his Death Bed and all.
How can a guy with this level of a healing factor even get sick in the first place? 😂
There are various types of illnesses.
Sage mode Naruto was the only threat to Pain and this is a much stronger Naruto throwing hands against a Curse Mark 1 Kimi. I'd say he's AT LEAST Kage level. He's basically untouchable, has infinite ranged attacks, regen, subdermal armor made of his bones, and Seedling Fern which turns the whole battlefield into a forest of bones he can teleport between. He can probably get Genjutsu'd, but if GUY knows not to look a Sharingan user in the eyes I'm pretty sure Kimimaro would know not to look an Uchiha in the eyes or fall for easy Genjutsu as he was trained by Orochimaru. I'd say out of the Akatsuki he takes out Hidan, Zetsu, Kakazu, and Sasori.
I feel like Deidara is just gonna stay in the air and Kimimaros just gonna go underground so he doesn't get bombed, so nothing happens.
He pisses off Pain, and could probably get rid of all the bodies except Animal(flying) and Deva into another petty war of attrition.
him and Konan are such and even match that nothing would happen unless he fights her in the rain village, I don't think he survives 10 minutes of bomb tags
Obito can't really suck him in without losing a limb so nothing happens unless Obito uses a Sharingan hack.
He might beat Itachi by just using Seedling Fern to just spike him from underground, Susanoo doesn't protect him from underneath and if he's underground the only Hacks Itachi has are Izanami/Izanagi... Which also means Sasuke is boned till he gets Itachis eyes.
Kisame however is where things get interesting, because his chakra can be absorbed, but he isn't using Ninjutsu(Seedling fern is up for debate), just really advanced Taijutsu. So Kimamaro rushing Kisame could still end very badly for Kisame and not threaten Kimimaro much since under his skin is a thick shell of bone protecting anything vital.
Against the 5 kage... Ohnoki flies and particle style would ignore the bones, Mei could melt him but it'll take a fat minute, Gaara can just keep burying him over and over till he gets bored, Tsunade can tank, but so can he and him against A would definitely be a fight unless the lightning just Negs his bones. Juriaya is more interesting, in fact, that fight would be legendary.
Also, he curbs non-prime Hiruzen so hard it isn't even funny.
Low Kage is the highest I’d put him. But I think that’s a fair place to be given that most of his feats came from Part I. I’d place people like Chiyo and Mifune in that tier and I think he fits there nicely.
I see some people saying he’s beating people like Deidara and Kakuzu and that’s overselling him greatly. We can’t super-scale him up tiers just because he was dying. We have to look at his toolkit and abilities. Nothing in his arsenal is enough to put down the likes of Deidara who can literally just sit in the sky and win. He doesn’t have any technique that can bypass Kakuzu’s Skin nor can he effectively deal with the hearts throwing large scale Justice at him.
You say that as if Kakuzu can maintained his diamond armor 100% of the time (he can't) and both Hidan and Kakashi were able to tank attacks from Kakuzus hearts and they also got destroyed by TenTen using a weapon that was rapidly draining her Chakra and TenTen is by no means a Chakra monster.
Tobirama also stated that as a edo he was ALMOST at full power and Kabuto is even better than Oroachimaru, so don't even start with the ego nerf bullshit.
@@ShadowFiend777 I have zero idea what you’re referring to about Tobirama and Kabuto so I’ll leave that alone lol.
The legendary tools have more firepower than anything in Kimi’s arsenal. Those same tools cooked Tenten just for using it which just means the weapons are powerful and take a lot of chakra to utilize. Doesn’t change the fact that Kimi would have a hard time taking down each heart as well as not possessing any elemental advantage to checkmate them that way. Hidan’s only notable trait is his durability/immorality and Kakashi is no glass cannon either so just because they can survive hits from the Hearts doesn’t mean Kimi gets away Scott-free. Kakuzu is just a solid tier above him and he’s not even the most impressive of the individuals in that mid Kage tier.
@@Sasori2105 The tools having more fire powered matters not when Kimmis defense can repell them all.
The fact that the tools can rip through tenten so quickly, yet tenten can still take out Kakuzu hearts says a lot. Kakuzu himself was relative in speed to two chunin.
Kakashi would actually take Kimmimwith Kamui and Hidan might get him by surprise due to his immortality. Otherwise, Kimmimaro would take his head.
Idk if Kakuzu could reattach his head with earth grudge fear, but if he can, then that changes things...
@@ShadowFiend777 You’re gonna need some serious feats to even start to defend the assertion that his defense can tank Heart jutsu like Zukkoku lol. If I’m remembering right, his best defensive feat was surviving Part I Gaara’s Sand Tsunami and Sand Burial. Neither of which have the destructive power of the tools or the heart techniques.
Kakuzu being relative in speed to two Chunin is madness when he could keep up with Kakashi to some extent. Kimi’s himself doesn’t have any extraordinary speed feats that even imply he’s even faster than Kakuzu. That is wank of the highest order. I think it would be more fair to say that neither is gonna be running circles around the other.
And if you think Part II Kakashi (at any point of Shippuden) even needs Kamui to put Kimi in the ground then we just have two completely different perspectives on Kimimmaro’s abilities to even have a proper debate.
Of the three, Hidan is the only one that he even stands a chance against. And even then it’s not anywhere near a stomp. But Hidan is the tier of character you need to be thinking about when it comes to Kimi. Not Kakuzu and fucking Kakashi.
@@Sasori2105 Sand burial and tsunami are excessively powerful earth style jutsu. Claiming Kakuzus heart jutsus are stronger is like saying they're stronger than Kisame's water style. Kakuzu has all 5, but that doesn't make him a grand master of any of them.
Kimmimaro is faster than Kakuzu when you consider he fact that he'd be 15-16 while Kakuzu is 91. We also see speed isn't his strong suit when beginning of shippuden Naruto hits him with an extremely loud rasenshuriken that Kakuzu knew was coming, yet couldn't get out of the way in time.
As for Kakashi needing Kamui or not. Keep in mind that Kimmimaro was able to keep up with and avoid attacks from a kcm Naruto clone during the war arc and he never got sealed away. I won't claim Kakashi NEEDS kamui, but it certainly wouldn't be a stomp in Kakashi's favor if they were to fight.
Against Hidan, I agree it's not a stomp, but keep in mind Hidan only has his ritual jutsu and Tai jutsu. He's not exactly a rock lee and his scythe would break when in contact with his bones.
I feel like throughout this video you forgot that shadow clones split chakra equally amongst the remaining naruto clones so technically each naruto kcm clone might only be kage level
I don't know if it's just an issue I'm having at the moment but the music is very distracting
I think we need to acknowledge the sound four defeated the guards of the fourth hokage themselves and we're still able to fight afterwards Kimimaru was able to stomp them without receiving a single injury Which I at least think kakashi could not do against the two johnins that were defeated
Kabuto bringing back someone using edo tensei isn't much when he also brought back the sound 4 and random no name ninjas too.
Why was orochimaru able to change bodies after losing his hands?
Taking over another body doesn't require hand signs, he just needs to turn into his true form, eat the victim and dominate their mind, as we saw with his attempt to take Sasuke's body. If you were wondering, while he does learn to move his arms and hands, he can't weave hand signs without his soul hands and only uses hands-free jutsu until he uses the Shinigami Mask to free all the sealed souls in the Shinigami and recover his hands.
So he could keep enchanting our eyes🐍
@@ThermiteKitty Yeah, and to think that he lost a vast array of jutsu, amongst them the Edo Tensei. It's sad that we don't see Orochimaru using hand seals to fight in the war. The only offensive, non-snake related jutsu we saw from him was I believe that wind storm he used in the Forest of Death.
This guy downplayed hidan so much lol,all hidan needs is just kimimaro blood
I could easily see Kimimaro oneshotting Sasori and his army at the very least
What if kimimaro meet kaguya …
At first, I thought they are related, since not only they have similar looks, but share the same name. I'd love to see an encounter between them.
Scaling sick and healthy versions of characters is almost impossible unless we have more evidence. Even the Edo versions of Itachi and Kimimaro are ambiguous because they are nerfed by edo
I’d put kimimaro at low kage level. I don’t see Orichimaru considering anything less worthy of being his next permanent body.
I don’t see him beating any akatsuki member. He has a chamce against hidan and konan maybe, but hidan was still swapping hands with post time skip kakashi. Plus he bleeds in the manga when using his bones so I imagine hidan has more than enough opportunities to steal some blood. Konnan is weird because she can easily stay out of his reach, but I also don’t believe her paper bombs can really crack kimimaros bone armor, at least at first.
I wouldn’ rank edo feats to highly. Edo Zabuza was putting up a fight against a way stronger kakashi, but he wasn’t anywhere that Level when alive.
Imagine if Kimimaro along with the sound 4 helped Orochimaru against Hiruzen 😬
If we take the kid versions of people....
Kimimaro is easily killing hashirama and madara xD
Going there is deep though xD
The way I see it he was pictured as the strongest in part one ONLY IF we exclude Hokage level characters like Sandaime, Jirayia, Orochimaru, etc
Definitely could've beaten Kakashi pre ellipse def not shippuden kakashi though. So an in between those two Kakashis.
However I don't see him beating Kakuzu because he would know supposedly nothing about him before that fight.
Please do a video on Hebi Sasuke vs Anbu Itachi
Lost potential, its very likely Kimimaro's Bone kekkei genkai could have upgraded into the ash bones that Kaguya has which one shot enemies. Kind of like how the Sharingan evolves into the Rinnegan.
What the fuck is going on with the Kimimaro riding in the comments? I perfectly understand he was PRETTY strong for Part 1, but people using arguments like he was the main reason they killed Gaara's dad is just stupid. We don't know what happened or how it happened. Canonically, Kimimaro basically did nothing during the war to put him anywhere kage level either. By canonically, i mean in the manga, the rest was filler in the anime.
I think you could make an argument for him being hebi Sasuke level in Shippuden, had he reached that part in the series. Maybe he could've even gotten to high kage level. But as he was, even in a healthy state, there's nothing to suggest he was genuinely kage level, apart from assumption based on one statement. Gaara definitely wasn't kage level then either.