What happened here ? RYANAIR 737 MAX 8-200 Birmingham Airport ( BHX )
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2024
- As this RYANAIR 737 MAX 8-200 starts to take off , something strange happens , was the Nosewheel steering castoring ?
Let me know what you think ?
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I’m a retired Captain who flew the 737 and this is an example of bad taxi technique by the Captain. The pilot had too much speed and power with the nose wheel turned to an extreme angle. The nose wheel does not have brakes and in this example it is being scrubbed/skid across the pavement. The large amount of smoke is an indication of poor technique and extra wear on the tires.
This is exactly it. Far too much speed on the turn. Poor airmanship
How does that make the nose wheel appear to jam at 90 degrees? This is more likely a steering fault I think.
@@bigmuz_pilotit only jams at the point where its skidding, it only held there for about a second before they turn it forward again. I doubt it was any fault of the aircraft
I have been a CAA Private Pilot Licence Holder since 1998, 5yrs ago at a Party & a Ryanair Captain was there so had a chat, asked him which aircraft learned to fly in, astounded that he never learnt in any aircraft just a Simulator at Ryanair Flight School, no PA28’s nor Cessna 150’s for this Irish guy 🙈
@@davidcocker8878 how did he get the 800 hours multi crew multi jet time?
‘He’s off to cut the grass’ killed me 😂
Just trying to get some heat in the tyres, they've seen Lewis Hamilton do it.
In Baku 2021 ha ha ha. The magic button.
RYANAIR 737 MAX. Talk about double jeopardy.
This is exactly what I do with my plane in Infinite Flight when I try to straighten out my plane perfectly on the centreline😂😂😂
Maybe it was “take your child to work day”, and Junior was driving 😂😂
Captain: If y'all don't shut up back there. I'll turn this plane around, so help me God!
This is one of the reasons I’m glad we have a live streamer at bhx like you Kev.To capture these moments.Super work
Appreciate that Anthony , thank you for the support 👍
He's either giving the doors and windows a shake to see if they fall out....
Or It's too much Guinness.....
It's like F1 drivers. They do zigzags to warm up the tyres so they can get better grip on take off. 😂
I saw something similar early in the stream when the Ryanair Boeing 737 made a severe right hand turn, then proceeded to take off.
The tyres on that nose landing gear will have to be changed!
Oh yeah! And that folks, is a Ryan Air pilot in the wild
Yet another Max 8-9 issue no doubt! You won’t find me on one of those by choice!!
I'm a race car driver/instructor. Barring some mechanical failure (or MCAS type steering interventions?), this is simply an extreme case of understeer. The pilot asked the nose wheels to turn the aircraft a bit more than what they could provide. The natural tendency is to steer more when the vehicle doesn't turn as much as you want it to, which the pilot does. Then when it's time to stop the rotation the vehicle just keeps going because all that extra steering has to be undone before the vehicle's yaw rate can even start to decrease, hence turning too far.
Note the pilot did put in too much steering input, but it is called understeer by definition if it's the front wheels doing most of the skidding. Oversteer is when the Eurobeat kicks in and the rear wheels to most of the skidding, which would have been way more awesome.
MCAS is not linked to nose wheel steering.
Basically right: oversteer.
@@Hyposonicoversteer is when the rear tires skid. This was understeer.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Sorry, you are correct. I accidentally used the wrong term.
I was a Formula Ford driver and I can confirm that this pilot was useless at taxiing.
Ryanair has a 100% safety record, everything that's gone up has always come down again.
But that includes a hull loss….
"What goes up, must come down" is pretty much obvious, isn´t it. The question is rather in what condition.
Remember MH 17?. Went up in Amsterdam, came down in Ukraine.
@@user-vt9gu1kd3u Well it was shot down by Russian's and it's not much of a question
it was repairable but too expensive to repair.
@@ajc5479 You misunderstood the question. But that´s ok. Some other time maybe...
I definitely would have had those tyres inspected by ground or gone back to the gate. (armchair pilot only)
There was a full straight ahead load on them when they were almost at 90 degrees the second time around, before leaving the runway.
They went taxiways walkabout to check the steering, but why take off?
Haha. RyanScare!
Nose tire change. I did that taxiing a 747 too fast . Ruined a couple of expensive nose tires. The mechanics were not happy.😅
That is normal for Boeing 737 MAX 😅😂 I’m glad it didn’t took off. These models should be grounded again worldwide
Mentour was running late for dinner 😛😛
And i see this literally a few hours after booking a Ryanair flight from BHX to Santander!!
Captain just forgot which way is Santander 😂😂
I bet he just finished his pre-flight pint of Guinness off.
The pilot saw something shinny in the grass.😂
When he finds the right runway 😅. He'll get there 😊
It's a 737 Max performing nominally.
Actually, it is. The pilot is the problem here.
Looked like a supermarket trolley 😂, when it goes the opposite way you want it to go 😂😂😂😂
Well this is Ryan Air. So this pilot was maintaining its reputation. Love this plane spotting channel with this crazy Brit narrating - keeps me in stitches. Sort of like Matt Cochran at Atlanta Hartsfield. Hello from sunny and warm St. Petersburg, Florida where there is plenty of aviation in the sky! ☀️
Kind words Paula Thank you , nice to hear you enjoy our streams 👍
An extremely reliable airline with a very young fleet. Excellent safety record. Is that the reputation you're referring to?
He had front gear issues (either a tiler or tire lock) and skidded to the right, then he started turning it to check if it were working properly and decided to go back to the apron to probably have someone take a look, since nobody found anything and it was working he returned for takeoff. Looked more like the right wheel locked for a second on the turn and he was going too fast to control it (or because he was going too fast when he turned the gear locked). Either way he might have been going too fast for that taxi but then he did the right thing by testing it with turns and going back for inspection.
FAA Directive: Ozempic study groups are no longer to be seated in the back of the plane.
As a Brummie who likes to spot the planes coming in from my house absolutely baffled by this one. How has he manahed to do that
I'm willing to bet that both those nose gear tyres have lovely flat spots on them now!
The number one F/A probably asked the pilot to "peel out." They just love it when pilots do that.
Hitting the TOGA switch before the nose wheel was straight & centerline ? And perhaps aft C of G and pitch up with initial take off thrust applied ?
No, just taxiing too fast.
Be grudgers ! for the one of the most safest and largest air lines in the world !
They skid sometimes especially in white markers. Need to use inner wheel brake slightly and it stops skid.
They thought they were on a formation lap at a race trying to warm up the front tires 😂
Pilot tried to do drifting but failed
Just having a quick look round to see if anything has fallen off after going over some bumps in the runway perhaps ?
The problem is ✈️ it’s a MAX 😫
please explain how this is a problem with the MAX
It looks like one of the front wheels was locking on as it steered
Looked to me like he was just trying to turn too sharply with too much speed, and started sliding. Extreme understeer.
@@RS-lq6zm my old Cortina was a bit like that on a damp road
@@markburton3306 in fact, every road....
@@markburton3306 try the Mk 2 Capri!! lol.
what happened? Ryanair happened.
I know that some military fighter-bombers (and airliners?) have two nosewheel sensitivity settings and the pilot must select the setting appropriate to his intended taxiing speed, otherwise the nosewheel will turn too far or not far enough, so at a guess I'd say this 737 pilot selected the wrong setting?
Well……as a Retired Pilot in the USA, it appears that the Captain had a Nose Wheel steering malfunction! The taxiing of the aircraft is controlled by a “Tiller Wheel” that is operated from the Left (Captain) seat ONLY……I am not familiar with the 737 MAX but what is surprising is that after only 7 minutes (on your time-stamp)…..they takeoff! My guess is that the Nose Wheel tires have been compromised!!
Thanks for that. Hope you're enjoying your retirement.
When they pushed back and disconnected the tow bar... did someone forget to take out the steering lock out pin? Seen it happen a couple of times working on the ramp.
Not a thing. You wouldn't be able to do even the first turn. And taxi does not start unless there's a visual of the pin.
Can see what other comments mean about the understeer on that taxi.
But if that was same plane taking off at the end could it be something as simple as the wind changing direction to warrant take off run from the other end of runway?
I suspect the very cold weather contributed to this incident. The nose wheel would have had very little grip I suspect, like steering a car on ice.
All in the scheme of abnormality with the B737-Max... Boeing should have bitten the bullet, retired the ancient 737 airframe and designed a fresh, new clean-sheet aircraft... Way before Max development ever began on the basis of greedy corporate, competitive and compromised reasoning.
Absolutely agree. These are dangerous airplanes (Indonesia / Ethiopia). This patched up new design with the engines so far forward of the wings just looks inherently unstable to me. I won't fly on one.
But this has nothing to do with the 737... This is a pilot error..737 are great planes
did you watch the video?? please explain how that’s the plane’s fault and not the pilot’s
@@annalyticexcept this isnt the plane’s fault. watch the video.
@@AdriantheSpotter I know - I didn't say it was. I just commented on how dangerous these planes are -Boeing 737-Max -8/9s. Boeing need to completely rethink.
He used a touch of asymmetric in the turn, which momentarily took some weight off the nose, which caused the oversteer, you have to be careful with the tiller if you’re using differential power, he finally resorted to rudder to straighten up, a lesson learned
When you say 'oversteer' do you mean too much input on the steering of the nose gear? The aircraft actually understeered i.e. did not follow the direction the wheels were pointing.
Just Ryan air things 😛
Nose wheel steering checks post maintenance. Captain carrying far too much speed during those checks though
Even the very worst pilots rarely graunch aircraft around whilst taxing. But that appeared to be was happening. Returning to get an engineer to look at the plane was a very sensible idea.
the don't call it CRY-IN-THE-AIR for nothing
Looks to me he wasn't paying attention on where he was taxing Ryanair....got love em
Always one 737 MAX, goes at wrong way, the passengers must be happy to be grounded yet.
Nose wheel steering malfunction! Seen it before.
At this point I would be saying,Yeah, just let me off here!
It's just another 737 Max..... Nothing new here! Buggered Nosewheel Control.
1:32 they do the same thing again - see the smoke from the skidding nosewheel - way too much of a hurry
Looks if nose gear steering stuck.. The pilot pushed full left rudder when correcting. No need for rudder at slow speeds if nose gear steering isworking
I've done this exact same thing before in Flight Simulator. Too much speed whilst turning that much. 😂
Unfortunately for that pilot,Michael O Leary has probably docked his wages this month to pay for the extra fuel used from that manoeuvre 😂
Watching the full coverage from the live stream it looks like he was taxiing dangerously fast. I don't know if Ryanair pilots are trained to scramble.. could have been task overload and he lost coordination with the tiller while starting the takeoff roll.
He wasn't going very fast. Nose gear skid sometimes.
Ryanair pilots would make great carrier pilots too by the way they dunk the plane as if they're trying to catch the 3rd wire.
Ryanair pilots are trained to taxi at very specific speeds depending on the type of surface and weather conditions
@@4535jacksno they are not. 😂😂
@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Yes, they are.
Max speeds as defined by the company are 50 knots during backtracking, 30 knots in a straight line, 10 knots in a turn greater than 45 degrees and 5 knots on contaminated/slippery surfaces.
Let's not spread lies here
The Guinness injection on the right hand motor was slow to kick in hence the asymmetric thrust?
mAYBE HE'S JUST SHAKING IT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BOLTS ARE TIGHT
What a catch Kev 😂
Thanks planesarecool 👍
I remember at Aberdeen airport when a Ryanair plane came over the runway and terminal at 90 degrees at 7,000ft! That caused a stir!!
Highly unlikely that that actually happened
Why call someone a liar when YOU don't know?@@palonazo
Classic case of understeer and them it bit in and the whole aircraft came around
He was just having the craic lol ,rather odd though I must say .
LOOKS LIKE THE CAPTAIN HAS BEEN RAIDEING THE DUTY FREE YET AGAIN HIC
I remember my first time taxing 😂
Murphys first day as a pilot
The computer says No ! Better safe than sorry .
He took of anyway without inspection the nose tires? Amazing.
@@miguelr1784 No, I didn't realize he turned back, that is why I have a question mark behind my comment. It looked like he circled back off the runway and then lined up and took off again. Did he go in for an inspection and then return to the runway? The time of day doesn't look like it changed much so it must have been a really fast inspection and really fast paperwork sign off.
@@miguelr1784 So you don't know what happened but were chastising me for questioning what happened?
My experiences with plane maintenance, especially at a large, busy airport, is that anything dealing with maintenance is an hours long procedure. The paperwork can take an hour or more to be signed by the appropriate people, logged into the system showing the plane airworthy, and then getting back in the queue for takeoff sequence.
Could something have been wrong with the front wheel? Interesting, that. Loved your timelapse of its return. That added to the drama. Good video.😀
Thanks Fred , Glad you enjoyed it! 👍
He was just warming up the tires. Race cars do that. Getting some heat in them for the expected rough landing at their destination.
That was the captains first flight, Ryanair also allow pilots whom have just qualified to fly with passages, to fly!! First day at work hay he or she got of the ground.
I'm betting that's a few flat-spots on the nose-gear.
It was the Guinness without doubt 😂
Looks like the Max is not much use as ground transportation too.
Due to sudden wind change they had to start in opposite direction it seems.
It's a Boeing... It's hard to get going!
He thought there was a problem with his brakes or his steering ???? OH, well, it was only a 9 minute delay, so it cant have been that serious. :O
So the pilot smokes the front tyres, taxies all the way back but then departs as though nothing happened. Is that normal that you just now trust those tyres?
A: Ryanair
It's just a prank bro
Usual announcement on Ryan Air, we have got you there early, first of all saying that it takes 3hrs to get to Spain, when it doesn't 😂
Ryanair drifting the Airplane😅
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Yeah all very odd - even that take off looked odd..
The wheels were at right angles. Sideways scuffed tyres? Only the pilot knows how that happened. Why not blame the 737. It’s in the news for all the wrong reasons at the moment
Hopefully they took enough duck tape along.... u never know
And went ahead with Take-Off 😮😮😮
We have a cross country flight in a few months, put us on a A-321,PLEASE !!!
That is the amazing thing. They should have stopped immediately. But NOOOOO, the middle managers would lose their minds. Mmmm Hm.!
Nice commentary! 👍
Thank you blue yonder 👍
300 hour pipeline from cessna pilots straight to Boeing - that's what it is.
perhaps on the RHS. Can that aircraft be taxied from the RHS? And is it Ryanair SOP on the FO’s sector for him to taxi?
@@asarsealexthere’s only a tiller on captains side
Taxi is Captain only so 3000+ hours.
So you’d think they’d have developed some skill and awareness by now.
Ok simple math. 3000 hours. 3000 total - 300 initial education while getting licenses. 2700 hours on B737. 2700 divide by 2 because there is a crew of 2(they switch every leg PF-PNF), and no matter who's pilot flying it counts equals 1350 hours of PF time. 1350 divide by 3 hours(mean time of each flight) that's 450 total flights of actual PF. Now out of these 450 flights they actually control the aircraft (not counting sitting on flight level on autopilot) is 20 minutes, 10 on takeoff, 10 on landing. 20 minutes times 450 = 9000 . 9000/60 = 150 hours of personal control of aircraft. This is as far as real "GOOD" time. Now, one more important part in comment below.@@EdOeuna
I’d like to hear the CVR
I'm guessing this is a "get this in the air and dont land for 2 hours" moment
24hrs recording now
@@captain736 Under US standards, cockpit voice recorders are set up to record on a two-hour loop. This is why the Alaska door plug CVR is not available.
Drift king!
In a hurry, Captain???
It's the tyres I think didn't seem to straighten up or pilot error
A bit confused sat nav not working????
This is what people get for flying a low budget airline! You get low budget pilots.
I would have thought that if you were streaming, you would be tuned in to cockpit communications. Then we would know for certain.
This is the UK, I am not sure it is legal to listen in to aircraft communications here, but I could be wrong.
To listen is legal , to broadcast it live is not legal 👍
@@AirportAction Thanks.
Tokyo drifting is what is going on here
Bad day at the office.
Ryanair pilots hate their undercarriage, hate their tyres…but do love a really hard landing!.
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