How Guardiola Revived The 4-4-2
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The 4-4-2 is regarded as a formation of yesteryear. Something that a team “going back to basics” would employ. But not anymore. Pep Guardiola has brought the 4-4-2 to his team of world-class talent at Manchester City.
But it’s not the 4-4-2 that you’d recognise.
Explained by JJ Bull.
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**laughs in Diego Simeone**
You forgot Sean Dyche
And Janne Andersson
Simeone developed the 6-2-2
8-1-1
@@charliejackson7640 Ffs😭😭😭yup... even as an Atleti fan, I appreciate that
The 442 never needed reviving, Sean dyche has been keeping it real for years
😂😂😂😂
Classic 442 with long balls 🤣🤣
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lille just beat money bags fc with a 442 big sam was right all along
You're right. Modern football still uses 442 shape when defending. The 4231 usually will become a 442 when teams defend
Pep: we have no strikers
Also Pep: let's play 442
B I G
B R A I N
I think last season vs chelsea in the league we played a 4-1-5 with 5 wingers and fernandinho as the only cm. Idk
Crystal Palace played with Wilfred Zaha and Andros Townsend up front for a while I believe
@@F-Tier_Physique 🤣
It actually resembles Manchester uniteds 424/4231. With Grealish and Torres playing the Bruno and Cavani roles droppin deep and creating space for eachother. they also both create a back 3 in possession though usually with Fred or Matic dropping deep with the centre halves. Jesus/Sterling in the Rashford role. The systems are actually similar allthough the personnel is quite different
I'd ask for a tactical explanation of Burnley's 4-4-2 but the video would be about 12 seconds long
"Sean Dyche tells his players 'lets have it'. Thanks for watching the latest Tifo video"
@@hrs1414 "I know what you're thinking. The 4-4-2 is rubbish, it's old fashioned, I don't like 4-4-2 and with Sean Dyche you would be correct. Goodbye".
Burnley's 442 is like the AK-47. Old, simple, rugged and reliable
Tifo did the video and it was 13min long... You played yourself.
Hahahaha
@@iszybeethefirst It was just a joke mate. I didn't actually expect a 12 second video.
"robbery,tch,ribery and robben,ribery and robben,robbery" JJ legend😂😂
technically that robs the other team's opportunity to win
@@theloserlose Arjen serious?!? (See what I did there?)
Great video! Just a suggestion - maybe have a few presets on the animation software that you use where you can tap a button and it immediately re-arranges the players on the board to a high-block or mid-block or low-block etc. This will prevent having to move each player up the field one-by-one when you are trying to show teams moving up/down the field. I feel like a lot of time is spent every video on this inefficient method of moving players around and this could help speed it up as well as make the video flow smoother.
smart boy
joe give this man a contract
I think the kind of corrections that you are suggesting is the kind of content that you get on 'TIFO' & not on 'TIFO IRL' . Tifo irl is more about the raw tactics and raw discussions. They aren't as polished as what we get from TIFO.
Don't intend to set your Teeth on edge but moving players literally takes a few seconds. Won't make a world of difference even if he implements what you suggested.
The suggestion is what Sky uses for their analysis with Neville and Cara !
@@scoobydoo3159 I think you're just jealous you didn't think of it first! 😜😜😜
I know Guardiola watches other team passing sports like basketball, but I wonder how much he was inspired by them. Basically in all these segments, he's just arranging an attacking 5 to rotate to pull the defense apart. And in the NBA the passing plays they set up basically try to get the defense in bad matchups and make a mistake in who they should cover.
That happens in most sports, NFL comes to mind by overloading a zone or trying to clear out a player. They would certainly look at the opposition and target a weaker player
Ever think that he just does it not because of other sports but its just a common thing that many managers apply in their tactics in football?
The modern attacking 3-2-5/2-3-5 looks pretty much the same as the W-M formation that has been around in football since the end of the 19th century. Player positions within the formation were much more rigid, but the idea is basically the same
Player mismatch happens all the time. Teams target Chelsea's right side to exploit Calum Hudson Odoi's weak defense when he Plays RWB
eww MLS
Thanks J.J Bull, I’ve been trying to explain the German League, “transition is king” works so well.
"Robbery" was a great duo though!
Pep: today we are gonna play 4-4-FOKIN 2
Read that in my mind in Noel Gallagher's voice
Sounds like Lars Ulrich
Make it "fookin", and tada! You have the Peaky Blinders playing football.
The real lesson of this is that our traditional idea of what a team shape is, has become a bit meaningless. What the line-up graphics on Sky, BT, MOTD or whatever are showing us is how the broadcaster thinks the team will shape up when without the ball for a sustained period (and even then often incorrectly). Pretty much every top team ends up with a 'front five' across the vertical spaces when attacking, but the shape of that five and how they develop the ball into those attacking shapes is a bit different. A comparison of how City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool progress the ball into their attack would be incredibly interesting because they're all different, and I think Chelsea might be changing their system a bit this year as well
My god finally someone who actually knows their footy.
Should just post up an average position graphic before the game
in a way, Pep has adapted Cruyffian philosophy of "total football" (where the aim is to get each player to be able to play in every position well) into modern context: he doesn't necessarily need a striker in his system because his midfielders and wingers are supposed to fill in those roles in attacking phases, ederson is basically a ball-playing keeper, his fullbacks (especially Cancelo) acts like a playmaker in midfield and when it comes to defending, he literally used his only striker (jesus) as a left-wingback when needed in that madrid game.
Sean Dyche has always played a 4-4-2.
The 442
Who?
Mostly yes but sometimes but not often a 4-4-1-1
@loto cry more
There’s a lot of talk in the comments about other managers who have used the 442 and how it’s very much alive, but the video itself doesn’t really debate this as its more about Pep’s evolution and how he has accumulated and applied his ideas into a unique 442 at City, rather than the so-called decline of the formation. Pep hasn’t found a way to make a dead and ineffective formation effective again, rather, he has put his own spin on the formation so it can facilitate his tactical approach. If the title was “reinvented” instead of “revived” then maybe that would make more sense. Title aside it’s a great video :)
The 4-4-2 is used quite regularly in La Liga, and Lille just won Ligue 1 using the 4-4-2. But yeah, I guess thanks Pep for reviving a formation that never went away?
and in a loss lmao
Arsene wenger was a master of 442 as well.
Exactly. Atletico Madrid too. Monaco in 2017. French national team. Its used a lot in Ligue 1 too.
Last time most la liga team played with 4-5-1 formation. Quite defensive at away
Could you do a video on the importance of the third man run. Bielsa recently said the third man is the least developed weapon in football.
Based on the moment of the game a team's starting formation is a reference point for players' general playing position. The team's shape which is the most important aspect changes based on what third of the field they are in and what moment of the game they are set in i.e. attacking, defending, or the two transitional moments.
A team who both individually and collectively understand their roles based on each moment will always be far more organized then someone who simply states "we play a 4-4-2
Congrats on 100 k on the channel👏🏾👏🏾
2:59 Pep never managed Jordi Alba
I wish i could spot these tactics on the field. All i see is the players running around randomly😂
The TV camera isn't designed to show the whole field. I bet if you watched from above you'd see it
@@kieronparr3403 your right. But i think if i focus on it long enough ill be able to roughly identify player movements and such
Pep mam city team aren’t as impressive in tatics as Barcelona
Noob
Yeah I definitely see a lot more from the stands than on tv.
jj could teach me calculus and i'd understand
If only he understood it himself. I agree though, he should have been a teacher
Amen bro
@@GuinessOriginal yah agree
@@tukhorhassan7737 amen
Tifo do such a great job of overcomplicating things that are actually quite simple to understand.
I think that Pep's offensive tactics revolve around attacking the inside channels or space between fullback and centre back. Hence, he always has wide players to occupy the full backs, and players running into the channel. This is the constant even with all the ostensible formation changes. Therefore his formation changes seem to be more to do with considerations of available personnel, build up formation (which depends on the first line of the opposition's defensive block, e.g. 1,2, or 3 forwards defending the first phase of build up), transition defence in having 5 players behind the ball, and how to occupy the oppositions central midfielders so they don't track the channel runner. To me this is the constant. Given that he started not to have all his full-backs run forward from the middle of last season (as LVG pointed out), this 4-4-2 now resembles how he played during his last season at Barca with Cesc and Messi as the 2 false 9's and Busquets and Xavi as the double pivots. Perhaps organising the video in relation to the spaces he likes to attack could have been a little bit more insightful and thus put the formational changes into a better context. But in saying this, I think the video still touches upon these points.
Didn't need reviving, Burnley haven't played anything but 4-4-2 since bloody 1930!
Your videos make me appreciate the coaches job much more. so complex!
I've been doing it on FM for years, basically the guru!
Spain used a similar 4-4-2 back in Euro 2008 with Villa and Torres on the front. Both strikers got wide creating gaps for Silva, Iniesta or Xavi.
Flick played 4-2-2-2 or 4-4-2 with Muller as SS , Koman and Gnabry as wingers.
Really makes me think of Brazil current tactics; playing with a 4-4-2 with Neymar and Firmino as false 9's with Richarlison and Gabriel Jesus working inwards from the wings. Eventhough Neymar deploys deeper as a No 10 most of the times.
This Copa América used a lot the 'false 9' concept. Argentina, Brazil, Chile and arguably Colombia. This could make a Tifo IRL nice video.
its mostly due to how their wingers play as inside forward rather than the normal winger role i guess
JJ has definitely had his ready brek this morning
10:35
I aspire to be as cool as JJ Bull "I know what you're thinking the 4-4-2 is rubbish" well yes I did😂💙 looking forward to the next tactical video
Atleti have been playing it for years now
Even getting pretty close to a decade
They generally have had a combination of a more outright striker and a creative second striker to supply the ball to them, Griezmann and Costa for example
They don't anymore (3-5-2 now) and theirs was very rigid tactically when they did
It's amazing, but ManCity had 0 shots on target
Hahahahaha. Be careful, if you're not anything other than sycophantic you might have a hoard of scarf and glasses wearing football hipsters coming at you quoting expected goal per 90 statistics and telling you how Pep is reinventing the physio role through revolutionary application of magic sponge related techniques.
tbf thats just because non of his players can shoot
The thumbnail is exactly what I imagine Pep does when he's home alone...
Marcelinho, Simeone must be laughing
Pep using a 4-4-2 without a recognised striker
Simeone has been incredibly successful with 4-4-2. Dyche has defied the odds with 4-4-2, Ranieri won the PL title with 4-4-2, and even Mourinho employed it to some extent last season with Kane and Son.
Guardiola didn't revive anything... it didn't need reviving.
Guardiola revived 4-4-2 as an attacking system. Each of those managers play a deep block 4-4-2 to play on the counter.
442 is a formation that u can use to give your wingers liberty to attack ur opponent... the 2 central midfielder stays deep and they rarely go forward( they cover for the wingers)...
Sometimes the Wingers will drifts inside to confuse their opposition CB and R/L backs.. this gives space for Guardiola's RB and LB to attack on the flanks!
When you are attacking , your formation looks more like a 424 or 325 if a RB/LB overlaps.
AC Milan have a concept a bit the same.
In 442 it's important for a striker to play deep( comes back in the midfield to link up plays)
Maybe the real 442 was the friends we made along the way
😂
jj bull the bullet/bulldog/bullfrog/bulldozer/bullfighter always bringing the best analysis on youtube
oh, such a beautiful dork - in a good sense. great vid!
I’m currently reading ‘Inverting the Pyramid’ and now I’m noticing the 2-3-5 come back in all these modern attacking shapes lol
@BK Amazing!
I forgot how incredible Pep's Bayern teams were. in that attacking formation with the 3 at the back, the lines are: Neuer; Alaba, Hummels, Boateng; Xabi Alonso, initially Lahm then Kimmich; Ribery, initially Schweinsteiger then Thiago, Muller, Robben; initially Mandzukic then Lewandawski. Madness.
Pep didn't coach gnabry
@@Azza.10 i don't recall which winger was signed. was it Coman or Douglas Costa?
@@bigburrito2373 he coached both of them, yes
@@Azza.10 my mistake, i do not follow Bayern very closely.
31 trophies the guy is a genius
Do you think the next step for Guardiola would be Serie A? It would only make sense if he went to Juventus since it's the last big league he hasn't been in and it would be an interesting challenge for sure
Really enjoyable explainer, only thing I would add is that this 'false 9' term is kind of a slight misunderstanding of what is really happening (in modern football matches). The only reason it looks like the 9 is perhaps dropping only ever so slightly deeper in Pep's teams is because of Messi, who as we know, uses and perfected the one-two in almost every attack he is involved in.
Therefore, whoever you put in the 9 position, as witnessed recently for Messi's first goal for PSG, will come slightly deeper, play the one-two and voila, a goal was created.
In modern football, with all players having a good level of ability and fitness, the 9 position, as Pep likes to see it, is an unselfish striker, who is kinda happy to act as a sort of wall so-to-speak .... in order to bounce passes off for the incoming wingers or midfielders who are carrying momentum by running from deep and of course, then finishing the move by possessing a very, very high level of finishing ability.
Thanks for the vid
Informative video BTW
Excellent tactical applications
442 and Guardiola in the same sentence doesn't feel right...
Problem City had with the new narrow back 4 during the build up was the lack of bodies in the opposing half. I believe Pep has formulated this to combat a high press.
However, Spurs played a midblock and a narrow 4-3-3. Spurs forced the play wide (ala Tuchel in the UCL final) and City had no interior penetration.
Arsene Wenger played a very fluid 442 during his early years. Even the famous invisible seson it was 442.
It would fluidly move to 4411, 433, 325 at different stages match and possession
Ah yes the famous invisible Arsenal season. If Arsene had only been able to keep them invisible, they'd be invincible until this day.
What I took from this is that pep's team are fluid it doesn't matter what formation they have as long different player can do occupies different positions
Then TUchel comes in with his 5-2-3 and pep is seen drinking water😂😂😂
soon tuchel will stagnate its a matter of time
@@zuhairyassin505 dount it because tuchel can play multiple formations unlike for example conte. I’m fact when I see Man City win a champions league then they can talk
@@lxfj2128 possible let's wait i agree he actually can play with multiple formations
Yup, its the first time any team in the premier league has the same depth and $pend. Comparing Tuchel's Chelsea to Guardiola's city is fair. So is it with Ole's United. Klopp punches above their weight in this regard where he's able to get more output from the players he has (maybe a great coach). However all that said, Guardiola's main strengths are improving technical abilities of players and overall team organization (once he has all pieces on his dream chessboard). As a tactician I think; he's (as they call him) Bald Fraudiola.
@Impeccable varchester Penited clowns Yo , he said Barca 2, meaning Barca B.
I like the 4-4-2 formation. I've never understood the dislike. Its one of if not the most solid formations. I think and please correct me, its got to do with the old target man and poacher where you'd go long. That has its place but the 4-4-2 offers so much more.
442 strikerless is the new rage for FM21 - Pep knows his stuff
Great video but jesus christ the sound mixing at the end when Joe came back blew my ears out
Loved this video! I'm glad that you are mentioning the principles of play.
Love Tifo. What device is being used? Looks like the technology used on MNF?
In Bayern days, he went against a team with 2-3-5. Completely in attack.
I simply luv JJ Bull! 🤩
For some reason I love the 4-4-2. Probably from Simeone despite playing negative football at times, it’s this weird fascination!
Yeah, there something about his 442
@@ForeignKeyz100 Oh hands down! Love Guardiola’s take
We don't always use that formation.
Really interesting video
Player roles on the pitch affect their position taken at a particular transition phase of play (defensive, transition, attack).. reminds & of FM 😄
I love this channel
The only time I think they used the 442 was when they were pressing spurs I don’t think they necessarily built up in a 442 but good video
Thanks really refreshing
Liverpool used to play a 4-4-2 before Coutinho left, with Firmino and Salah in front and Mane on the right wing. Seems very similar. Klopp also likes his teams to defend in a 4-4-2 in all "big games." But I guess that all managers have their own take on it.
Mendy really playing that inside role these days
4:44 don't worry JJ, the pair of Robben and Ribery were nicknamed Robbery at the time
Everyone: Coaches
Also everyone: Managers
JJ Bull: Tactics people
I enjoyed this analysis, but regarding the Spurs game my eye test and quickly checking the player heatmaps it did really seem like a standard 4-3-3 with Fernandinho holding, Gundogan and Grealish free 8s
Agreed...
5:01 it is an inverted wingback, half back is a dm that drops to make a front 3 like dier did for spurs under porch.
I agree that is normally how we think of a half back but under pep lahm was described as a half back a lot because instead of retreating back into a traditional fullback position he swept in front of the defence and the right centre half covered on the right a lot
@@jimboslice4468 thanks for the insight on Lahm
Genésio adapt Stade Rennais into a similar formation, it always comes alive on the movement when they are passing one line.
Best attack at the moment in league 1.
Could you do a video explaining the differences between 433 vs 4141, since on paper they look exactly the same.
It depends mainly on the player type playing the formation, for example think of the difference between having Thierry Henry and Iniesta wide left. Henry made a front three with the other forwards, while Iniesta brought more a midfielder's vision to the position and looked to combine. David Villa could play both kinds, he could be very midfieldery while out wide.
He revolutionized it
Hi guys, anyone able to tell me what setup they use for the explanation? What kind of screen and what app do they use?
The video is great but we love it in animation
Rubbery was a great player; he was always stretching defences with his elastico
Please do a video on how Ole can get the best out of the players he currently has Ie what formation, what players etc
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From 4-3-3 with Messi as false 9 striker alongside David Villa and Pedro as wingers/inside forwards to 4-4-2 with two false 9 strikers.
This guy is awesome!
Tottenham Masterclass
Bet spurs wont beat city again
@@theonefamily3786 I mean they have 4 times on the bounce but ok 😂
Kane :im still in the plan ryt🌚🙄
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Good video, but this formation wasn't created by Pep; other managers had already used it, the best example is Jorge Jesus, his Flamengo team played in this shape, and his Benfica side plays like that sometimes too. He didn't use inverted full-backs, but the midfielders formed a vertical line instead of a horizontal one, and one of the strikers played as a false 9
i love the thumbnail
That fart was squelchy 10:35
What is the name of this software for tactics??
Just held my phone and saw the notification
brillant
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Get back to the washing up
No lie it’s so weird knowing the face of the intros and narrations now 😂😂
7:16 is that the good old W-W formation?? Nevermind reviving the 4-4-2, Guardiola has awoken a dinosaur!
4-4-2? With modern game including rotation and baiting manoeuvres the formation will adapt to whatever your up against (with the purpose to be +1 in the zone where the ball is). When playing a single striker the full backs will be above the defensive midfielder and you'll push the #10 up the pitch creating more of a 2-5-3. On the other hand when facing an opponent with an aggressive 4-3-3 with high press, the #6 will fall into the backline and one of the strikers drop deep to receive the ball on the counter creating more of a 5-4-1. So your starting formation could result in vastly different actual positions in different games.
Pls take a look at Bielsa's 3-3-3-1 formation pls
there are mid and lower table teams use 442 low block or park the bus, so guardiola didnt revive it, also simeone used it
Remeber sachhi of milan he used fluid 442 too
That 3-2-2-3 formation is the WM formation Herbert Chapman curated at Arsenal
But couldn’t it be argued (well more likely the case) that Diego Simeone and Sean Dyche (shoutout to Ranieri as well with Leicester) are the main/better examples of reviving it?
(I’ll admit there likely a few others I’ve missed)
Ssssshhhhh. Pep invented/modernized/revived every football tactic ever according to the football hipsters. Don't ruin it for them.
It's not even a 4-4-2 it's a 4-6-0. That's why they had 0 shots on target.
Pep doesn't play 4-4-2 like those managers do though. They play a deep block 4-4-2 to hit on the counter. There's really no other manager using 4-4-2 without a true striker, dominating possession, etc.
@@hajones10 Potters Brighton seems to keep possesion and they certainly seem to ne playing without strikers, the lads have the finishing of league one CBs
Damn. That new invention with 2 false 9 and such opening movement would be lethal. Very smart. But they did not perform against Tottenham. May be players need time to get used to
Pep "the coolest of tactics people" guardiola