rearrange your priorities? Awesome way to analyze a good pilots' thought process. Robin Olds voice is so iconic, I knew he was commenting before the film showed him. A great American patriot and hero!
I was a Phantom Phixer, George AFB, Ca. My tech school instructor was Capt. Steve Ritchie's crew chief. I was in the USAF, and saw the first production A-10, F-15, and F-16. While at George AFB, we hosted some USN F-14's. There were squadrons of F-105G's at George AFB. Of all these aircraft, the one that adorns the top of my TV cabinet is an F-4G Wild Weasel #532. One of the 80 or so birds of the 35th TFWg, George AFB, Ca.
Flew the Flying Footlocker (F-4) in Vietnam. North Vietnam were pretty limited in terms of air assets but managed to shoot down a Yak-18 trainer and an Ilyushin Il-14 transport.
I was at NAS Pt. Mugu in the early seventies when the Navy was evaluating the F-14 Tomcat and Phoenix missile system. Was at Miramar when the last west coast F-8 squadron was disestablished and the F-4 squadrons went to the Tomcat. Had I styed for 25 years instead of 20, would have seen the beginning and ending of the F-14. For those of you who have never seen an F-14 up close, that's a big bird for a fighter. Probably why the Scooter (A-4) pilots of VFC-13 could get the best of the Tomcat as well as Phantom II in simulated air to air combat. Especially with the A-4F "Superfox." That was the one the Blue Angels flew. In fact, VFC-13 got a couple ex Blue angel birds; repainted low visivility colors though. But the polished tail extension was still there. Some called it the sugar scoop.
I remember reading a book back in the 80’s about an F-105 Thunder Chief being hit on the engine by a SAM and it made it to base. The pilot said it felt like someone got a telephone pole and hit the jet.they used to call the F-105 the led sled because when they fell they made a big thump.The amount of abuse the F-105 could take was out of sight.
I'm so proud to say my grandfather flew an F4 in Vietnam and received a Flying Navy Cross for his heroism when he flew in and saved the day for troops that were trapped. It was a super dangerous situation that the Chair Force said " uh , thanks but no thanks " to. He didn't think twice about it. He knew those men were trapped and needed help. His last words before taking off were " If I make it back, great. If I don't, tell my family I love them." Thankfully he made it back .
I was a solider on the ground, and the F-4S saved our ass big time. They came in ground level flying supersonic and tore the Guks to shreds. One big thank you to all the pilots. They'd come in when nobody else would. Huey's F-4's Gunships and Cobra's at the end, fly right into a firefight and save the men on the ground. Pilots had Steel balls! Thank you to all pilots!
Your grandfather is a moral freak. You bastards were not invited, Vietnam, neither in Yugoslavia nor in Iraq nor in Korea, nor Libya. What the hell are you doing everywhere? After you, bitches, death, devastation. Killing several million people in Korea is good. Burned Napalm and orange Vietnam-it's fine. Bombed bombs with depleted uranium Yugoslavia-wonderful. Bombed Iraq with phosphorus bombs-a holiday. You BITCHES, when you drink human blood?
My brother in law's father was an F-4 pilot in Vietnam. He was shot down as spent about two and a half years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. He down played it by saying "I wasn't there long compared to the others" but to me one hour there would be too long. I asked him if he felt ok telling me about the whole experience and he obliged. The next hour or so went by so fast as I listed to him tell of the horrors he and the other endured as well as what it was like, step by step, to be shot out of a jet fighter some 15k feet or so in the sky by a SAM. He was a Wild Weasel pilot. I could never retell that story as he did especially being able to see and at times feel his anxiety, sadness and anger over the whole ordeal. It reminded me of the shot done scene from Behind Enemy Lines when they got shot down. I feel privileged to not only have met the man but was lucky enough to have him relive that story with me.
BGEN Olds is a G. That's the most subdued I've seen him talk on film. Hearing him talk about the shortcomings of the Phantom makes me tear up; it tore him up to not be able to go after the enemy. Cunningham is also a G, he had the heart of a tiger and the skill to put it to use. He was the right guy for the right time; there were no aces and he knew his stuff. Polish it up and you have the perfect guy to fight the MiG over North Vietnam.
'Nam never started to get good. With the possible exception to the B-52 raids on Hanoi and mining of Haiphong Harbor. But these are things that should have been done while LBJ was in office. Ended the damn war sooner and saved a lot of American lives.
I was just kidding. If it were up to me, I would have had LBJ drop one or two of those "Fat Boy" Harley-Davidsons on them. The Chinese? tell 'em to walk south and take deep breaths!
I remember the first time I saw a F-4. There was a huge smoke trail behind it as it was coming in for a landing. I was on standby to pull the impulse cartridges out. I was used to working on F-5s and the F-4 just looked HUGE. That was in 1979 at Williams AFB, Arizona.
That Phantom pilot said that a MiG can't go vertical with a Phantom. Rate of Climb: MiG-21 ~46,000 ft/min F-4E ~41,000 ft/min. These are figures from Wikipedia. DCS computer simulations show the MiG-21 out accelerating the Phantom in level flight at both 1,000m and 6,000m altitudes. The Phantom has a huge amount of thrust with those two J-79 engines but it also is carrying a lot of weight and has a draggy airframe. Models of the Phantom before the E model only had missiles, no cannon. I'm not so sure that the MiG-21 was as inferior to the Phantom as the pilot suggested here, there might be a little bias at work.
Jim, not bias. The Vietnamese pilots were not trained in vertical manoeuvring, with some exceptions, but rather be guided by ground radar. Their tactic was to form a defensive wheel to provide mutual cover and try to knock down any US aircraft that tried to get on the tail of any of them. When the US went back over N. Vietnam in '72 they did so with new tactics and definite knowledge of the MiG weak spots. It led to a much improved kill ratio. Another factor was that the MiG was a point defence aircraft and accordingly didn't have a lot of fuel. To go vertical required copious amounts of fuel burn which severely limited their time in the air. Olds was able to get his kills due to his dog fighting skills honed over Europe in WW2. If you haven't read it I recommend his semi-autobiography; "Fighter Pilot". It is an excellent read.
Remember to that these pilots played by their strong points and they loved every mission they flew and they came home thanks to that aircraft . So duh they have obvious bias.
Evil Mofo get the fuck over yourself, snowflake. “Everyone I don’t like Ike who doesn’t think how I think can just leave Murica”. Sound like a damn snowflake.
@@shmeckle666 pretty much how u fuck heads think nowadays....although u don't want them to leave u want them to be jailed,censored and their lively hoods destroyed.
This is my favorite jet fighter of all time. Yes, they were limited...especially being designed and built without a gun...but there is just something so iconic about this plane...the geometry, I think, was beautiful. I've always been told they were hard to fly, but just based on looks I think they're amazing... Not to mention they were able to fit the GIANT BRASS BALLS of those pilots in Vietnam...those guys were BEASTS. Hard enough to fly missions in Southeast Asia...but to have all those goddam people shooting and trying to kill you...man...F4 pilots in Vietnam have my utmost respect...no...all those Vietnam vets have my respect...no...all the US veterans have my deepest heartfelt respect. Thank you for serving our country. POW/MIA All gave some...some gave all. You are not forgotten.
I was a surface ship driver in the Navy, but serving on supply ships our CO's were aviators who were hoping to get a carrier command. One of my CO's, CAPT Ross R. Terry, was a backseater in F-4's who spent six years as a POW in North Vietnam after getting shot down in '66, and a finer man I've never met. BZ and many thanks CAPT Terry.
More All of my family were in the military. Dad in VN. Grandfather in WWII in the Army and stormed Iwo Jima. My uncle Jim flew in Korea and two tours of duty in Vietnam as a fighter pilot flying the A4. He was an AM graduate. I have brass candlesticks he brought me from Vietnam. He was a patriot. He loved the A4. Said it was as close you can get to a rocket. His later missions were in a F 4 Phantom. He liked it because it had two engines. He was 5'6 a little man. But none I ever knew more brave or a patriot. When the war was over he spent his last days flying for celebrities and doing realestate.
the Mig 31 is kinda "blocky" real jets have curves :P. But i kinda agree on the f14, it is gorgeous... As a kid it was my favorite however when you grow up you kinda develop a taste for more vintage looks. Though the tomcat is kinda old it was futuristic and looks like it. But gotta agree with me the f14 is only sexy with the retracted wings not the wide ones.
Great Fighter Plane even by modern standards but was dealt several fatal hits by Egyptian SAM6 "gainful" Missiles during the opening stages of the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The SAMs could have decimated the entire attacking IAF Phantom squadrons if not for the unmatched skills of the Israeli Pilots who plotted to entice the Egyptians beyond the missile cover. This turned the tide of the war.
Just to clarify something about the F-4 lacking a gun. Both the F-4C and F-4D could have a 20mm Gatling Gun mounted to their fuselage. ruclips.net/video/zQvObtxH2EY/видео.html . This accounted for (3) MIG-17 and (1) MIG-21 downed by F-4C and (4) MIG-17 and (2) MIG-21 downed by F-4D. The F-4E came equipped with the gun mounted below the radar dome and it downed (1) MIG-19 and (4) MIG-21 with it. And fiy, in total of USAF vs MIG victories in Nam, the F-4 was responsible for 107 out of 137. Ref - The Air Force and the Vietnam War.pdf . I was at Phu Cat, '69 - '70 and we had (34) F-4Ds. Me and about seven or eight other guys worked 24/7 on the Automatic Flight Control System to help keep them flying. We also worked on some AC-119 Stinger and Shadow gunships and a bunch of EC- 47 electronic warfare (spy) planes. The F-4 was one hell of a bird in it's day. I will never forget the rush of standing about 25 - 30 yards to the side of the exhausts when both J-79s hit full afterburner starting the takeoff roll.
I was in the Air force stationed at Bergstrom A.F.B. we had the F-4 Phantoms there. the 91st and 12th Tac (Tactical Recon.) And the 924th reserve Sq was attached to us as well. The last year I was in the AF I worked right on the flight line watching those birds taxi around take off and land. It was real special and even as a kid then I knew I would look back at it with great memories. And I do. Brac closed down Bergstrom in 92 or 93 after I got out then sent the planes to amark. They probably made drones out of some for target practice but now I just guessing. Great vid thanks for posting.Somehow when I reset my youtube password my wifes' name came on as the poster LOL But Im a Guy LOL ....gotta correct that.......
My dad retired out of Bergstrom in '75. Been in Austin since 1-73. I miss seeing the F-4C's that graced the central Texas skies! Thanks for serving your country!
Great story. I grew up on Kelly AFB in San Antonio and spent hours as a kid at the end of the runway watching the fighters and B-52's come and go. My ultimate dream was to be a fighter pilot but I started wearing glasses in junior high so ineligible, There was no laser surgery to correct nearsightedness when I graduated from college. Life ain't fair.
Hey, I worked on them too at Ubon, Thailand (1967-68) and then again at Korat, Thailand (1969-1970). I was an engine mechanic of the F-4 and worked the flight line maintenance. Enjoyed my job, but disliked the military b.s. if you catch my drift. The F-4 was a marvelous airplane with "scads" of power. Loved that machine. JB
Jerry Brownlee Cool my Dad was at two AFB's also Edwards AFB Ca and Udorn AFB Thailand. He told me a story about how one night he showed up to work his usual midnight to eight and there was all this security around one particular hanger. He found out a bit later it was a SR-71 they were testing. Think this was at Edwards AFB where that story happened.
Along with the SR-71, the F-4 had to be the loudest jet I've ever heard, especially at takeoff. I can't imagine how loud the deck of a carrier full of Phantoms must've been back then. - 4:48 Is this Gen. Olds saying he could've shot down "900 Migs" if his F-4 had a gun?
Did a whole lot. A great multi mission aircraft BUT when the Blue Angels traded the Phantom II in for the A-4 Skyhawk, their shows got a lot better. Even with the wing slats bolted in the up position, they were more nimble and their roll rate was unbelievable! Not bad for an aircraft that began life as a fifties subsonic bomb dropper!
We ( U.S) were not only fighting North Vietnam, We were fighting China and Russia also. We didn’t lose the war, we pulled out. The Paris peace accords was a peace agreement that finally ended the the involvement of U.S forces in Vietnam in 1973. The war ended officially by the capture of Saigon by PAVN ( Peoples Army of Vietnam)in April of 1975.
Dei Ei, you are in total delusion, Honey Darling. With or without the aid of China or Russia, NVA + VC kicked you Americans' ass pretty bad, and coined a permanent mark of embarassment on the fat cheeks of LB Johnson and R Nixon. Vietnam War took its toll on the Vietnamese with over a million casualties, but it left the American people terrified too giving rise to the medical term of "Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)" in the medicine literature. If you wanna carry on consoling yourself with the lie of "Nope, we didn't lose the war", so would I suggest you to watch the following fragment from the 1989 movie "A FISH CALLED WANDA". You are welcome, boy! ruclips.net/video/_X6QqZF3J14/видео.html
@@excelgazialimuhiddinhacibekir NLF (VC) was decimated roughly 5 years prior to America leaving, with a peace deal, and a cease fire... EVERY time the North attempted conventional battle, they were stomped and turned back.... they admit this... Lmao at leaving a clip from fish called wanda to comment here
Found his comments. Had to scroll way down even though they're fairly recent. Saw yours too. Remember, when catching the wire (carrier landing) on the living room carpet, jettison the ordinance first, lower the hook and the landing gear too if ya got it! [big grin]. "Duke" made some mistakes but paid for them. Did some serious time. Still, he put his life on the line for the USA and that should never be forgotten.
One other thing about the USAF F-4 that isn't well known - besides being able to carry a shit load of all kinds of stuff used in Nam, it had a panel in the cockpit on the right side for controlling, setup, and arming a nuke. I don't know if the Marines or Navy F-4s had this. The only other fighter that I know that has this is the F-105 and probably the F-111. Don't know a thing about all of the "newer" fighters starting at the F-14 to present.
I can't believe that Col. Russ Everts quoted in the video : "Makes you feel better when its coming for one of your buddies"!.....WHAT! then he laughs !....strange thing to say!
F-4 Pilot, Captain Paul David Derby, VMFA-115, MAG-13, 1ST MAW, III MAF , United States Marine Corps. Paul is one of “Wisconsin’s 37: The Lives of Those Missing in Action in the Vietnam War", a book by Erin Miller. My webpage memorial for Paul is here... www.bottletreecreations.com/genealogy/Memorials/DerbyPaul.html Thanks.
Rising Storm 2: Vietnam has made me fear the sight of a Phantom. Considering the ear deafening noises, two canisters of death and it's extremely random nature, you should fear it too. Now sorry for bothering ya with a video game, carry on
Politicians pissed me off about the Vietnam war. If our objectives were to win, we would have. It was only to put money in pockets. The next conflict should be fought by politicians.
Could (and I guess why he did not) LBJ had said "we will not allow the North to complete a comprehensive air defense system? This would have meant destroying all shipments at the harbor, dedicating all air resources to have as their priority keeping the North's air defense system primitive? I know this did not happen and what can be gained from wishing it had happened but I ask, could we have done it?
+Dan R The always unpopular "Rules Of Engagement" prevented this. MY dad was a Navy F-8 and F-4 driver with two tours in the Tonkin gulf. He said there were always ships unloading missiles at the docks of Haiphong, but they were off limits. They were not allowed to attack Sam sites and Flak sites UNLESS those sites fired on them first! How stupid is that? Yes, we couldve taken out there air defense system whenever we were allowed to. Apparently, LBJ was too concerned with upsetting the Russians and Chinese. The whole Easter Bombings and Christmas Bombings that finally brought the NVN to the bargaining table, that all could've been done in 1965, but we waited until 1972 to do that. Politicians lost the war, not the military.
The MiG may have been a more maneuverable aircraft and a better short range interceptor, but the phantom had better armament, was faster in a dive and could take more punishment
No documentary is official without a british guy
Even better that it's Anthony Quayle : )
Quite right dear boy.
Perfect observation!
true
Having worked on the F4C , D , E and RF4C still get goose bumps watching them fly The F105 Thunderchief was a great plane could walk under its wings
Robin old is my favorite American ace extremely professional and smart
Randy Cunningham was great too! (As pilot not as senator)
@@geoluc2357 That’s absolutely correct, From a hero pilot to a corrupt politician.
rearrange your priorities? Awesome way to analyze a good pilots' thought process. Robin Olds voice is so iconic, I knew he was commenting before the film showed him. A great American patriot and hero!
Oh... you mean "The Man"?
I was a Phantom Phixer, George AFB, Ca. My tech school instructor was Capt. Steve Ritchie's crew chief. I was in the USAF, and saw the first production A-10, F-15, and F-16. While at George AFB, we hosted some USN F-14's. There were squadrons of F-105G's at George AFB. Of all these aircraft, the one that adorns the top of my TV cabinet is an F-4G Wild Weasel #532.
One of the 80 or so birds of the 35th TFWg, George AFB, Ca.
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I was a Crew Chief on the F-4 C & D in Spain & Italy.
Flew the Flying Footlocker (F-4) in Vietnam. North Vietnam were pretty limited in terms of air assets but managed to shoot down a Yak-18 trainer and an Ilyushin Il-14 transport.
You can find the whole episode of this doc by searching Reaching for the Skies - Fighters (Episode 06) on RUclips. Cheers
**Drinks the blood of my victims~**
I mean **drinks a glass of wine**
I was at NAS Pt. Mugu in the early seventies when the Navy was evaluating the F-14 Tomcat and Phoenix missile system. Was at Miramar when the last west coast F-8 squadron was disestablished and the F-4 squadrons went to the Tomcat. Had I styed for 25 years instead of 20, would have seen the beginning and ending of the F-14.
For those of you who have never seen an F-14 up close, that's a big bird for a fighter. Probably why the Scooter (A-4) pilots of VFC-13 could get the best of the Tomcat as well as Phantom II in simulated air to air combat. Especially with the A-4F "Superfox." That was the one the Blue Angels flew. In fact, VFC-13 got a couple ex Blue angel birds; repainted low visivility colors though. But the polished tail extension was still there. Some called it the sugar scoop.
I remember reading a book back in the 80’s about an F-105 Thunder Chief being hit on the engine by a SAM and it made it to base. The pilot said it felt like someone got a telephone pole and hit the jet.they used to call the F-105 the led sled because when they fell they made a big thump.The amount of abuse the F-105 could take was out of sight.
The F-105 Thud?
I'm so proud to say my grandfather flew an F4 in Vietnam and received a Flying Navy Cross for his heroism when he flew in and saved the day for troops that were trapped. It was a super dangerous situation that the Chair Force said " uh , thanks but no thanks " to. He didn't think twice about it. He knew those men were trapped and needed help. His last words before taking off were " If I make it back, great. If I don't, tell my family I love them." Thankfully he made it back .
I was a solider on the ground, and the F-4S saved our ass big time. They came in ground level flying supersonic and tore the Guks to shreds. One big thank you to all the pilots.
They'd come in when nobody else would. Huey's F-4's Gunships and Cobra's at the end, fly right into a firefight and save the men on the ground.
Pilots had Steel balls! Thank you to all pilots!
Чем гордишься?Напали на Вьетнам,на поубивали множество не в чём не повинного народа.Гордишьсь? .. Это гордость это стыд Америки.
My grandfather flew an F4 phantom for the navy.....but a MIG21 for the Vietnamese at weekends.
He was a wonderful man.
Your grandfather is a moral freak. You bastards were not invited, Vietnam, neither in Yugoslavia nor in Iraq nor in Korea, nor Libya. What the hell are you doing everywhere? After you, bitches, death, devastation. Killing several million people in Korea is good. Burned Napalm and orange Vietnam-it's fine. Bombed bombs with depleted uranium Yugoslavia-wonderful. Bombed Iraq with phosphorus bombs-a holiday. You BITCHES, when you drink human blood?
Ильяс Миннигореев you are a moron
My brother in law's father was an F-4 pilot in Vietnam. He was shot down as spent about two and a half years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. He down played it by saying "I wasn't there long compared to the others" but to me one hour there would be too long. I asked him if he felt ok telling me about the whole experience and he obliged. The next hour or so went by so fast as I listed to him tell of the horrors he and the other endured as well as what it was like, step by step, to be shot out of a jet fighter some 15k feet or so in the sky by a SAM. He was a Wild Weasel pilot. I could never retell that story as he did especially being able to see and at times feel his anxiety, sadness and anger over the whole ordeal. It reminded me of the shot done scene from Behind Enemy Lines when they got shot down. I feel privileged to not only have met the man but was lucky enough to have him relive that story with me.
BGEN Olds is a G. That's the most subdued I've seen him talk on film. Hearing him talk about the shortcomings of the Phantom makes me tear up; it tore him up to not be able to go after the enemy. Cunningham is also a G, he had the heart of a tiger and the skill to put it to use. He was the right guy for the right time; there were no aces and he knew his stuff. Polish it up and you have the perfect guy to fight the MiG over North Vietnam.
My uncle flew a F-4 and retired a brigadier general. Al Gagliardi.
The video stops just as it starts getting good
mrrightnow101 Touché
Kind of like Vietnam...
'Nam never started to get good. With the possible exception to the B-52 raids on Hanoi and mining of Haiphong Harbor. But these are things that should have been done while LBJ was in office. Ended the damn war sooner and saved a lot of American lives.
Yamaha SR650 Touché Sir
I was just kidding. If it were up to me, I would have had LBJ drop one or two of those "Fat Boy" Harley-Davidsons on them. The Chinese? tell 'em to walk south and take deep breaths!
I remember the first time I saw a F-4. There was a huge smoke trail behind it as it was coming in for a landing. I was on standby to pull the impulse cartridges out. I was used to working on F-5s and the F-4 just looked HUGE. That was in 1979 at Williams AFB, Arizona.
Randy Cunningham flew the wings off those planes! 🤘🏽 I always admired him and Driscoll.
I used to work on Phantoms, but in the UK back in the 90's. No time to watch the full video, but was looking for footage of the Phantoms.
That Phantom pilot said that a MiG can't go vertical with a Phantom. Rate of Climb:
MiG-21 ~46,000 ft/min
F-4E ~41,000 ft/min.
These are figures from Wikipedia. DCS computer simulations show the MiG-21 out accelerating the Phantom in level flight at both 1,000m and 6,000m altitudes. The Phantom has a huge amount of thrust with those two J-79 engines but it also is carrying a lot of weight and has a draggy airframe. Models of the Phantom before the E model only had missiles, no cannon. I'm not so sure that the MiG-21 was as inferior to the Phantom as the pilot suggested here, there might be a little bias at work.
Jim, not bias. The Vietnamese pilots were not trained in vertical manoeuvring, with some exceptions, but rather be guided by ground radar. Their tactic was to form a defensive wheel to provide mutual cover and try to knock down any US aircraft that tried to get on the tail of any of them. When the US went back over N. Vietnam in '72 they did so with new tactics and definite knowledge of the MiG weak spots. It led to a much improved kill ratio.
Another factor was that the MiG was a point defence aircraft and accordingly didn't have a lot of fuel. To go vertical required copious amounts of fuel burn which severely limited their time in the air. Olds was able to get his kills due to his dog fighting skills honed over Europe in WW2. If you haven't read it I recommend his semi-autobiography; "Fighter Pilot". It is an excellent read.
Is that service ceiling or rate of climb. ? The numbers you list are like 4000ft a second?
Remember to that these pilots played by their strong points and they loved every mission they flew and they came home thanks to that aircraft . So duh they have obvious bias.
I'm sure that you know best oppose to a guy who actually flew F4s in combat against migs.
Those are not accurate numbers. Usual aerial encounters started around 17,000 feet. The F-4 had superior speed and climb ability. I was there.
Taken from Reaching For The Skies.... shown in the 80's on BBC and still the best series of programmes ever made.
Yep....detestable though the BBC are....this was a very good series.
I half expected to see Hanoi Jane on that AAA gun.
She expects us to forget all about that. I won't....
How do you fake bone spurs?
Evil Mofo get the fuck over yourself, snowflake.
“Everyone I don’t like Ike who doesn’t think how I think can just leave Murica”.
Sound like a damn snowflake.
@@shmeckle666 pretty much how u fuck heads think nowadays....although u don't want them to leave u want them to be jailed,censored and their lively hoods destroyed.
@socal rocks wow stupidly is strong in this one.
Amazing...working on my private pilot license..as we speak. I father, was B 25 Mitchell pilot..WW2, didn't get deployed, though, lots of training.
This is my favorite jet fighter of all time. Yes, they were limited...especially being designed and built without a gun...but there is just something so iconic about this plane...the geometry, I think, was beautiful. I've always been told they were hard to fly, but just based on looks I think they're amazing...
Not to mention they were able to fit the GIANT BRASS BALLS of those pilots in Vietnam...those guys were BEASTS. Hard enough to fly missions in Southeast Asia...but to have all those goddam people shooting and trying to kill you...man...F4 pilots in Vietnam have my utmost respect...no...all those Vietnam vets have my respect...no...all the US veterans have my deepest heartfelt respect. Thank you for serving our country.
POW/MIA
All gave some...some gave all.
You are not forgotten.
I was a surface ship driver in the Navy, but serving on supply ships our CO's were aviators who were hoping to get a carrier command. One of my CO's, CAPT Ross R. Terry, was a backseater in F-4's who spent six years as a POW in North Vietnam after getting shot down in '66, and a finer man I've never met. BZ and many thanks CAPT Terry.
General Olds, Rest In Peace sir. You make me proud to be an American.
My uncle was a phantom pilot in Vietnam. When he went back to the states he became an instructor.
Would like to see the whole show on this ^^
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All of my family were in the military. Dad in VN. Grandfather in WWII in the Army and stormed Iwo Jima. My uncle Jim flew in Korea and two tours of duty in Vietnam as a fighter pilot flying the A4. He was an AM graduate. I have brass candlesticks he brought me from Vietnam. He was a patriot. He loved the A4. Said it was as close you can get to a rocket. His later missions were in a F 4 Phantom. He liked it because it had two engines. He was 5'6 a little man. But none I ever knew more brave or a patriot. When the war was over he spent his last days flying for celebrities and doing realestate.
I asked him one time long ago. What was it like. He said it was like a flower. Beautiful and delecut.
So I asked, I get the beautiful. I dont' get the delecut. He said I flew 13 times with one engeone shot out. That was the delicut.
In retrospect I guess I didn't get either. He was one of those rare birds that never knew fear.
F4 phantoms were among best jet fighters ever, they saw a lot of combat during vietnam
5:49 when u rage and smack every button...
lol
I recognize the voice at 0:55 . It's Gen. (then Col.) WWII and Vietnam Fighter Ace Robin Olds.
To this date it is still the most attractive looking Jet fighter.
You obviously forgott the Viggen.
I always liked the Tomcat myself but that is just me.
MIG 31 for me and the f14
the Mig 31 is kinda "blocky" real jets have curves :P.
But i kinda agree on the f14, it is gorgeous... As a kid it was my favorite however when you grow up you kinda develop a taste for more vintage looks. Though the tomcat is kinda old it was futuristic and looks like it. But gotta agree with me the f14 is only sexy with the retracted wings not the wide ones.
yeah i only like the wide wings to lol just looks so epic
Great Fighter Plane even by modern standards but was dealt several fatal hits by Egyptian SAM6 "gainful" Missiles during the opening stages of the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The SAMs could have decimated the entire attacking IAF Phantom squadrons if not for the unmatched skills of the Israeli Pilots who plotted to entice the Egyptians beyond the missile cover. This turned the tide of the war.
My brother was plane captain on F4A on Enterprise during VN!
Remember seeing the Phantoms sitting in thier hangars on standby ready to go 👍Guess that would have been our southernmost station on the Pacific.
Just to clarify something about the F-4 lacking a gun. Both the F-4C and F-4D could have a 20mm Gatling Gun mounted to their fuselage. ruclips.net/video/zQvObtxH2EY/видео.html . This accounted for (3) MIG-17 and (1) MIG-21 downed by F-4C and (4) MIG-17 and (2) MIG-21 downed by F-4D. The F-4E came equipped with the gun mounted below the radar dome and it downed (1) MIG-19 and (4) MIG-21 with it. And fiy, in total of USAF vs MIG victories in Nam, the F-4 was responsible for 107 out of 137. Ref - The Air Force and the Vietnam War.pdf . I was at Phu Cat, '69 - '70 and we had (34) F-4Ds. Me and about seven or eight other guys worked 24/7 on the Automatic Flight Control System to help keep them flying. We also worked on some AC-119 Stinger and Shadow gunships and a bunch of EC- 47 electronic warfare (spy) planes. The F-4 was one hell of a bird in it's day. I will never forget the rush of standing about 25 - 30 yards to the side of the exhausts when both J-79s hit full afterburner starting the takeoff roll.
I have a model of Robin Olds' F4 phantom from Operation Bolo. Love looking at it often.
this TV series was called ‘Reaching For the Skies’ i remeber watching this when it came out …… great theme tune to boot!!
I always remember the phantom,
From McDonald Douglas ,
Scooby Doo meets the phantom
And Kiss the phantom in the park.
I think the MiG-21 can go vertical with you.
The F4 was 50,000 lbs of courage and guts.
I was in the Air force stationed at Bergstrom A.F.B. we had the F-4 Phantoms there. the 91st and 12th Tac (Tactical Recon.) And the 924th reserve Sq was attached to us as well. The last year I was in the AF I worked right on the flight line watching those birds taxi around take off and land. It was real special and even as a kid then I knew I would look back at it with great memories. And I do. Brac closed down Bergstrom in 92 or 93 after I got out then sent the planes to amark. They probably made drones out of some for target practice but now I just guessing. Great vid thanks for posting.Somehow when I reset my youtube password my wifes' name came on as the poster LOL But Im a Guy LOL ....gotta correct that.......
Thank you for your service sir
My dad retired out of Bergstrom in '75. Been in Austin since 1-73. I miss seeing the F-4C's that graced the central Texas skies! Thanks for serving your country!
I would do it all over again, except the second time around I would go in as a Pilot lol!
Great story.
I grew up on Kelly AFB in San Antonio and spent hours as a kid at the end of the runway watching the fighters and B-52's come and go.
My ultimate dream was to be a fighter pilot but I started wearing glasses in junior high so ineligible,
There was no laser surgery to correct nearsightedness when I graduated from college.
Life ain't fair.
My Dad was directer of 12th Tac recon at Bergstrom from Feb 77 to 80
My fave Warjet after growing up with Migs overhead , in the late 50 early 60's . A place not far away. 😐 💪🇺🇸
My Dad worked on these during Vietnam but he was stationed in Thailand.
my husband worked on them - Thailand also
Hey, I worked on them too at Ubon, Thailand (1967-68) and then again at Korat, Thailand (1969-1970). I was an engine mechanic of the F-4 and worked the flight line maintenance. Enjoyed my job, but disliked the military b.s. if you catch my drift. The F-4 was a marvelous airplane with "scads" of power. Loved that machine. JB
Jerry Brownlee Cool my Dad was at two AFB's also Edwards AFB Ca and Udorn AFB Thailand. He told me a story about how one night he showed up to work his usual midnight to eight and there was all this security around one particular hanger. He found out a bit later it was a SR-71 they were testing. Think this was at Edwards AFB where that story happened.
Jerry Brownlee My dad flew out of Thailand. He was there from feb '68 to feb '69. 176 sorties
James Tokarz my dad left the Air Force in 68 pretty cool that your dad got the fly that plane though.
Robin Olds...Legend! Kept wiping missions he done, so he could do more.
Along with the SR-71, the F-4 had to be the loudest jet I've ever heard, especially at takeoff. I can't imagine how loud the deck of a carrier full of Phantoms must've been back then. - 4:48 Is this Gen. Olds saying he could've shot down "900 Migs" if his F-4 had a gun?
i don’t think he said 900 what i heard was “i could’ve shot down 9 more MiGs” (i could be completely wrong)
The F-4 Phantom II is one of my favorite American fighters! it's just great!
Did a whole lot. A great multi mission aircraft BUT when the Blue Angels traded the Phantom II in for the A-4 Skyhawk, their shows got a lot better. Even with the wing slats bolted in the up position, they were more nimble and their roll rate was unbelievable! Not bad for an aircraft that began life as a fifties subsonic bomb dropper!
Scooter George but one thing is that is makes me sad that many of them were shot down by those darn Soviet-MIGs!
Probably a lot more by Sams and AAA. Still sad though.
Awesome vid!... supersonic chess👍
Where can I find the whole documentary?
search Reaching for the Skies - Fighters (Episode 06)
I dont know much but I reckon Phantoms must have been the most potent thing to fly off a carrier
We ( U.S) were not only fighting North Vietnam, We were fighting China and Russia also. We didn’t lose the war, we pulled out. The Paris peace accords was a peace agreement that finally ended the the involvement of U.S forces in Vietnam in 1973. The war ended officially by the capture of Saigon by PAVN ( Peoples Army of Vietnam)in April of 1975.
Dei Ei, you are in total delusion, Honey Darling. With or without the aid of China or Russia, NVA + VC kicked you Americans' ass pretty bad, and coined a permanent mark of embarassment on the fat cheeks of LB Johnson and R Nixon. Vietnam War took its toll on the Vietnamese with over a million casualties, but it left the American people terrified too giving rise to the medical term of "Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)" in the medicine literature.
If you wanna carry on consoling yourself with the lie of "Nope, we didn't lose the war", so would I suggest you to watch the following fragment from the 1989 movie "A FISH CALLED WANDA". You are welcome, boy!
ruclips.net/video/_X6QqZF3J14/видео.html
@@excelgazialimuhiddinhacibekir NLF (VC) was decimated roughly 5 years prior to America leaving, with a peace deal, and a cease fire... EVERY time the North attempted conventional battle, they were stomped and turned back.... they admit this...
Lmao at leaving a clip from fish called wanda to comment here
Best yet...
Thanks for sharing..
Still the best looking jet, ever made.
He probably remembers the exact 9 more MiGs that crossed his line of fire, and him without a gun.
The true lesson was made after the Vietnam war. Faster doesn't always mean better.
The Navy Fighter Weapons School, AKA "Top Gun" made all the difference for Phantom fliers over Vietnam. Taught air to air combat in the missile age.
How'd you get way down here? You needed to answer on his messages.
I did not see Duke's comments. Would have asked him to rate the F-8 against the F-4. Would he prefer the gun equipped Crusader over the Phantom II?
Looks like he deleted them. Obviously does not want to communicate due to his prison record. Too bad. Seemed like a good dude.
Found his comments. Had to scroll way down even though they're fairly recent. Saw yours too. Remember, when catching the wire (carrier landing) on the living room carpet, jettison the ordinance first, lower the hook and the landing gear too if ya got it! [big grin].
"Duke" made some mistakes but paid for them. Did some serious time. Still, he put his life on the line for the USA and that should never be forgotten.
Huckin' A!
A very elegant flying machine.
One other thing about the USAF F-4 that isn't well known - besides being able to carry a shit load of all kinds of stuff used in Nam, it had a panel in the cockpit on the right side for controlling, setup, and arming a nuke. I don't know if the Marines or Navy F-4s had this. The only other fighter that I know that has this is the F-105 and probably the F-111. Don't know a thing about all of the "newer" fighters starting at the F-14 to present.
Olds and Cunningham were right in their criticism of American readiness for this air war.
I can't believe that Col. Russ Everts quoted in the video : "Makes you feel better when its coming for one of your buddies"!.....WHAT! then he laughs !....strange thing to say!
Truly an incredible fighter, and yes the lack of a gun was a tragic handicap to an already great fighter/bomber.
NateIsSparta it was an interceptor not a fighter, hence no gun.
Hanoi Hilton " you don't want to be captured as a pilot in northern Vietnam.
The Hanoi Hilton is where the pilots spent the vacation, it was terrible...
Y’all just gonna act like they didn’t reverse the clip @2:15 to make it look like the missile was being shot at the camera aircraft and not from?
At 5:23, that's a Sukhoi with Soviet markings. It's not a MiG and it's not Vietnam.
can you put all the documentary please?
this video footage is fascinating
i didn't notice that the air fight in Vietnam war is epic like in cowboy bebop
The f-4 has the combination of a bomber and fighter.
Chu Li MAC 12 supported us as we moved into Laos, The Marines had to add guns , planes were sent over toothless. RECON 101ST, 66-68
She's a beautiful gun platform, that 20mm would leave the north Vietnamese convoys in flames...
F-4 Pilot, Captain Paul David Derby, VMFA-115, MAG-13, 1ST MAW, III MAF
, United States Marine Corps. Paul is one of “Wisconsin’s 37: The Lives of Those Missing in Action in the Vietnam War", a book by Erin Miller. My webpage memorial for Paul is here... www.bottletreecreations.com/genealogy/Memorials/DerbyPaul.html
Thanks.
the mig-21 can do vertical anyday of the week with 70% throttle
Badass plane.. Early ones had no gun, mistake. But later this was a great, fast, plane.
Sherry Setliff It had no gun because it was a bomber interceptor, not a fighter.
All of the PEOPLE is my country regardless of race ,ethnic,,DEMOCRACY , all of us .
Russians and Vietnamese have downed over 500 of them. And hundreds of other types. Read "Losses of USAF in Vietnam".
Al Wid not with migs they didn't. Those losses can be attributed to SAMs.
Al Wid and most losses consisted of aircraft such as the f105 thunderchief.
This is also because Vietnam went on for about a decade... when youre flying planes in combat, over enemy air space, you will lose some....
The F4 Phantom is a great jet powered plane but its heavy thats why the climb is not that good
Super Phantom, show!
Not an F4 video until Thuds make an appearance.
4:52
Rising Storm 2: Vietnam has made me fear the sight of a Phantom.
Considering the ear deafening noises, two canisters of death and it's extremely random nature, you should fear it too.
Now sorry for bothering ya with a video game, carry on
Someone can tell me what happen with the rope that catapults the plane one it goes into the water
Politicians pissed me off about the Vietnam war. If our objectives were to win, we would have. It was only to put money in pockets. The next conflict should be fought by politicians.
I saw f 105 in this video.
BRIG GEN Robin olds legend.
1800 F4 destroyed.. thats more than the total airforce of most countries
Just go ahead and start the movie Top Gun at the end of this video....
thanx bonghit
"Even the school children were shooting at you." Damn thats bad.
All is good...but without the ground crew, the Phantom was only a piece of hardware.
No biggie, but then why did all the later versions have .50 guns?
Anyone know what show or documentary this is?
I remember drop it just past us
Where can I find more of this doc?
search in youtube Reaching for the Skies - Fighters (Episode 06)
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First guy talking - Randy Cunningham?
Them f4 were bad ass
Почему ни один американский палачь не ответил за эти преступления???
Phenomenal!
Seems like I remember some fat cat in Hanoi saying that the B-52 were killing them, but they suddenly quit bombing ...
Take my Breath away (1986)
Could (and I guess why he did not) LBJ had said "we will not allow the North to complete a comprehensive air defense system? This would have meant destroying all shipments at the harbor, dedicating all air resources to have as their priority keeping the North's air defense system primitive? I know this did not happen and what can be gained from wishing it had happened but I ask, could we have done it?
+Dan R The always unpopular "Rules Of Engagement" prevented this. MY dad was a Navy F-8 and F-4 driver with two tours in the Tonkin gulf. He said there were always ships unloading missiles at the docks of Haiphong, but they were off limits. They were not allowed to attack Sam sites and Flak sites UNLESS those sites fired on them first! How stupid is that? Yes, we couldve taken out there air defense system whenever we were allowed to. Apparently, LBJ was too concerned with upsetting the Russians and Chinese. The whole Easter Bombings and Christmas Bombings that finally brought the NVN to the bargaining table, that all could've been done in 1965, but we waited until 1972 to do that. Politicians lost the war, not the military.
The phantom is a amazing jet fighter, probably one of the best in history. But I’m my opinion the mig21 of that era was better.
The MiG may have been a more maneuverable aircraft and a better short range interceptor, but the phantom had better armament, was faster in a dive and could take more punishment