@@the_train_manI know that when people make videos from historical events, there is sometimes little or nothing in way of camera shots from the moment of the tragedy, so those compiling the video inevitably need to use still shot fillers that are either not of that event (or more recent photos of the relevant railway line or station). So I grabbed a screenshot to see if Google lens would give me a clue as to whether the severed head was from Highett in 1925 or not. Unfortunately Google lens didn't help. Could The Train Man please pick up Google lens' slack and tell me? Awesome videos (albeit with this one off sad topic) by the way, especially the ones about former stations.
I only half registered the body next to the car and I rewound thinking "was that what I thought it was?" Then I looked to the right and almost fell out of my chair.
+The Train Man. Melbourne, Australia. Thank you for sharing with us. Very sad and tragic. Let 's not forget these accidents and their victims and those affected.
8.07 The Violettown Railway Disaster Is Also Very Famous It Was The 50th Anniversary Of The Crash 2 Years Ago In 2019! Again As With The Sunshine Crash Gets Mentioned A Lot In Books About The Victorian Railways Quite A Bit About The Crash In The Keith Turton Book "Six And A Half Inches From Destiny" About The History Of The Melbourne-Wodonga Railway Line!🙂🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️
A sad doco this time. I remember the Violet Town Southern Aurora crash well - only 11 at the time. However, I hadn't even heard of the XPT crash earlier this year.
It must have been very sad to witness the Violet Town crash on the news, and with the Wallan accident, I actually hadn't heard much of it until a few weeks ago unfortuantely, which is very weird, considering it only occured 6 months ago :(. Thanks again
@@the_train_man I am amazed that there are people unaware of Wallan XPT fatal crash in Feb 2020. Was prominent on every TV and radio news service eg Chanel 7 : ruclips.net/video/4eiq86F8Cm4/видео.html A trend to not want to keep up with the current news perhaps? Nine news and ABC news also on line from the coverage on the following day.
There was also a fatal collision when a V/Locity train collided with a truck near Trawalla on 28 April 2006. Killed were the train driver's mother who was riding in the front carriage, and another passenger. The train driver was severely injured.
Here's another accident worth mentioning. The Salesyard Rd, Benalla K183 accident of 2002. This was a special service crewed by West Coast Railways. A B-Double truck failed to give way to the train, hitting the truck head-on. The train driver, fireman and one footplate visitor was fatally injured. Another footplate passenger was seriously injured. No other injuries were reported. K183 was placed in storage, and there is still a lot of controversy over whether or not it should be restored. However, recently it has been taken out of storage for a full damage assessment to determine whether it is restorable or not. The full report is available here for those who want to read it: www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2002/RAIR/pdf/rair2002003_001.pdf
Be careful if you cover it. It’s about the most sensitive accident in modern railways. A lot of people are still very touchy about it, especially K183. But I look forward to you covering it in the best possible way.
Thank you Ricky, I was looking at fatalities in this video, but I will cover more accidents with 1 or 2 fatalities, like the Abbotts Road accident, thanks for the suggestion!
4:11 highett acceint i was born in 2010 23rd of march i was told about this on by birthday and the wallan i was in the the frount carrige that nearlly tirp over Keep the good vids coming train man
I never realized we had all these accidents in Victoria, a well put together account of these terrible accidents , thank you for posting . Condolences to all those involved . With a bit of luck the crossing removal operations in Melbourne will also happen out in the country areas improving safety. On the crossing removals , i happened to be going for a walk in reservoir around one of the footy ovals and thought id take a look at the nearby k eon park railway station which has been recently upgraded with the raising of the rail tracks to get rid of the rail, road crossing. I think they did a bloody good job , it's just a pity it took so long for the authorities to get these dangerous crossings upgraded.
When I was researching Victorian railway accidents, crossing accidents and train only related accidents were counted separately by the rail authorities. Still a lot of tragedy.
@@dannynolan8863 I know a guy who was a first on the scene at the Boronia accident. It was a church bus and he also belonged to a local church, so perhaps his friends? He told me a little about it, in that he had just received his licence so driving his car. I can't ask him more because the last I heard, he had severe dementia.
@@the_train_man It sure does. But you are also taking your time and not rushing. A massive improvement. Everything is clearly pronounced and hardly any slurs. The whole video has the same pace and relaxed feel. Much better than constantly changing pace and changing feel. This is really good work Max.
Thank you so much for the coverage Max, I remember that night I was watching tv and hearing breaking news about the crash at 7:50 pm. Just a little feedback here, I think you should've said "Sydenham, near the site of Watergardens". Because we don't wanna say that Watergardens existed back then, also, about Highett, I think you should've translated miles to Kilometres as 95% of your viewers are Aussies. Thank you overall and hopefully we see those hcmt's soon!
A very moving video, I used to transfer trains at sunshine and there's a memorial stone at the end of platform 1 under the over pass. There also was a train accident in Laverton in 1974 or 75 I stand to be corrected where an up train from Geelong was supposed to cross over to the other side track but the signals were incorrectly set and the train derailed striking the bridge pillion and resulting in 1 death. I have only the slightest memory as I would only have been 9 at the time.
Thank you Steve, that was my goal for the video, to educate and portray such devastating times in a video. The Laverton accident is a sad, but interesting one. I will have a look at it in the future, and hopefully visit the site of the derailment. Thanks again
Cool but sad video. At the time of the Highett crash the crossing wasn’t in a roundabout shape, 2 of the pictures seen in this video show the original alignment. In 1980 it was changed to a roundabout when the crossing got boom gates. The Horsham crash happened on the western highway ( then called dimboola road ) but not on the serviston/Western SG line. Happened on the Carpolac line which comes off the serviceton line just before the hazel street crossing . The line has been abandoned since I think 1987 and has since been ripped up. The Boronia crossing was grade separated in 1998 not 1996 and the southern aurora crash happened at the Mcdiarmids rd Crossing, not Cowslip street which is where the memorial gardens are
Wow, too much information you have there Applehead. I know of less than half of that stuff. Can't believe I said 1996 for Boronia haha, and I knew that the VT crash occured at the Mcdiarmids rd. That is pretty much it though, thank you for the info!
Very well done. Thank you. When you were putting this together, did you think that for one or two of these accidents that there may be enough for their own videos going into a bit more detail? Cheers.
Thank you. For some of these accidents (eg. Southern Aurora) they will get their own videos when I actually visit the places themselves, but for now, in Lock downs, hopefully this video does the tragedies justice. Thanks again
The crossing in Horsham has been replaced with another crossing. There is however a crossing on Edith St to Dooen rd that has had many accidents and is due to be fixed and/or removed.
Great piece of work here in compiling this video too, as always.The reality also is that most of these "accidents" are not accidents. They are crashes and most crashes are avoidable. Someone or something causes a crash. The Kerang investigation was an embarrassment for the Victoria Police, V Line investigators, and for the court system in Victoria. Here we had a truck driver, (you know, the type that want the community to call them "professional drivers), who was driving a semi too fast for road conditions, speeding at around 100kph into the train on the crossing. He refused to be interviewed , and when charged, pleads not guilty and he gets off basically in Court at Bendigo with a slap on the wrist, being found not guilty of culpable driving causing death. At least he was sued in the civil jurisdiction by some on the train later. Police should have appealed the original court decision at the time. Very weak effort.
Thank you Brian. Your insights are interesting, I agree with you. Most accidents are crashes, whether they be severe or minimal, and the fact that a severe one was caused by a speeding truck astounds me. It was most likely all of his fault, and 11 people died from his actions, very sad. Thanks again
"He refused to be interviewed" He would have been told that by his legal counsel. He did exactly what he needed to do to stay out of prison. Personally, I would have done the interview. I think the fact is he drove through that intersection over 100 times and his brain never even considered that flashing lights meant there was a train imminent as the previous plus 100 times he never had to process that information. I highly doubt that he was distracted by something, more like most drivers doing long trips out there would have been zoned out doing the same trip over and over. Yes, that's their profession to deal with that but only human at the end of the day. Personally, he should have done Jail time, and from my perspective, I could not live with myself knowing I fucked up so badly that 11 people died so the case would have been moot anyway. It's amazing he survived but I doubt in the last years of the accident it was a life worth living and barren of any single achievements.
Another great video. It's surprising that I've never heard of the level crossing smash at Bonegilla. I did my electronics apprenticeship at Bonegilla army base.
Thanks for doing this. I was 7 when the Southern Aurora went over. Our grandmother. lived at 164 Rupert st West Footscray and we gathered there every couple of nights and being across the road from Tottenham station &c. we would all run out the front when the big interstate bound trains would pass. I love trains because as an infant , id sleep in the front room till it was time to go home and all those shunting trains going all night were a lullaby. Id like to see yu go and film a day trip to that memorial.
Very interesting film - we hear very little of Australian railway events over here in England. I didn't know, for example, that VR used trains visually identical to our HST stock until seeing this. I think a couple of English railway pictures sneaked in there as well - the VR certainly didn't use GWR heavy tank engines, did they? That banker in the penultimate story was way off her normal beat!
That XPT has nothing to do with Victoria, other than there is a service from Sydney to Melbourne. They were purchased by the NSW government as a replacement for some of their longer distance services. Modified for a top speed of 160kmh Yes, I spotted the GWR 2-6-2T as well, I wonder why it's there as nothing to do with any accident, least of a Victorian one!
And that is why I left it out. It may be a bad decision, but I am going to do a completely special different video for it. I know the most about it of any crash and would like to explore into what happened by going to the scene
You didn't mention about the Trwalla Accident with a velocity in 2006. No mention of the 2002 accident with K183 killing 3 The xpt accident the second person to die wasn't a co-driver it was a pilotman due to the CTC failures. But thank you for treating this subject with caution and care, for some one who has been involved in one of these accidents it's a very touchy subject, so thanks for your care and respects
With these sort of historical things the original station names should be used, with the 1908 Sunshine crash the trains were heading towards Spencer Street as the Southern Cross renaming was 100 years off and Watergardens is a new separate Station to Sydenham which the Bendigo Train had been cleared to pass through towards Sunshine.
Thank you John, glad you enjoyed again, hopefully I can do a few more videos on the accidents in the future, although they are quite sad to make, so maybe mixed in with the happier videos
@@the_train_man It's all good max this is just what happens in life don't feel bad mate, most of it was long before you and me were born totally beyond our control. But unfortunately these things happen even today.
What terror must have been felt by all victims inside the carriages and engines in a crash. And other impacted vehicles. Makes me shudder to imagine it. A solemn history lesson well presented, thank you.
Good stuff, well researched, I do remember the Southern Aurora Accident vividly . I love that train had a chance to travel on it 4 or 5 times before they stopped spending money on it.
Believe it or not, I didn't even realise that the head was in the middle of the road when choosing the image, I probably should have blurred it out, but it certainly shows the damage caused.
Thanks mate, I appreciate the support :) I did something quite like your description as my first 2 videos, they are terrible haha, but they cover the history of growth. Scroll down my videos on my channel and you will find them. Thanks again!
That was a great video. It was very sad though. What video have you got planned for this week and What days do you usually upload your videos? Keep up the good work!!
Hi. Max, a very interesting subject and you have done it really well. Regardless of all the sophisticated safeworking control systems in place there is no control over the human body. However a lot of good emerges from these events. After the Violet Town accident Vigilante Control was installed in locos. Some good emerges.Cheers.
Thank you very much Graeme, I am happy to hear you found the video interesting. I agree, no matter how much we look at safety regulations, there will always be a one in a million situation that occurs. I am happy to hear that of the controls installation after 1969 as well. Thanks again
I worked at the brake company when they altered their information to show that there was no vigilance control available at the time of the crash. Obviously protecting some high official in the state rail authority . I didn't realise at the time the implications
You forgot to mention the train crash at the Abbotts Road Level Crossing in Dandenong South on the 3rd of November 2012. In that incident a train collided with a truck that failed to stop at the boom gates in time, resulting in the death of 1 passenger and injuries to 5 other passengers. The driver was also seriously injured. The line between Dandenong and Cranbourne was closed for 2 weeks to clear away the mess from the derailment of the train and the buckling of the tracks. Also, the level crossing that intersects Boronia Road and Dorset Road in Boronia got removed in 1998, not 1996.
Thanks Darren, I will hope to look into the Abbotts Road smash in a future video, I remember hearing about it, very sad times for all the people involved. Can't believe I made such a silly mistake by not saying 1998 for the crossing removal, I looked into that only a month ago! Thanks again
Hello Max. very well and interesting. You also missed another crash. of the Broadmeadows Runaway in 2003 17 years later. Let me explain. on the 3rd of February 2003, an M>Train Comeng was arriving at Broadmeadows to terminate. The Driver of the train then switches seats to head back. 22 passengers were on board. He put the train air breaks to Normal Pressesure. (correct me if I spelled that wrong) But it failed. the driver did not realize and as the driver went into the station toilet, the train started to slowly roll down towards Melbourne. with no driver or person. The station staff looks out and sees the train leaving. until a passenger complained that their train left early. The driver of the train then heads outsides as he finishes but sees That his train is rolling down by its self. he then runs To the train, but it sped up and he could not stop the train. (not gonna finish the middles parts) Metrol, the company that controls all signals around melbourne, Tried everything to stop the train but everything was a failure. Meanwhile, at Spencer street station, there was a City of Bendigo train. N463. N463 Was waiting at Spencer street station to depart bound for Bacchus Marsh. Meanwhile at Essendon, The comeng train was now going around 102 KPH. and as it approaches The N463 at Spencer street, it crashes through. The N463 was surprisedly Not damaged. except for the cab infront. The Comeng was damaged from the cab. Luckily, no people died. but 11 were injured. you can find pictures here: vicsig.net/phovicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030203-sss-394m-n463-2.jpg vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030203-sss-394m-n463-2.jpg recovery: (4TH OF FEBUARY) vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-n463-4.jpg vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-apart-2.jpg vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-n463-1.jpg vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-close.jpg comeng being toad away: vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-p15-393m-1048t.jpg I hope this was helpful and can add it in Part 2 with the benalla crash that i saw in comments!
@@the_train_man And more info, the train number, it was a 3 carriage comeng. First carriage: 394M Second Carriage: 1048T Last Carriage: 393M More info on Wikipedia Sorry if you needed these. Totally forgot
I used to catch the train in sunshine every morning going to school just where the accident happened. I never knew it at the time. There were no plaques or anything.
The decapitated body on the road with the severed head near by at 4:20 is a pretty full on photo bruz I realise its a historical image from the accident but shit mate ease up that's someone's dead relative.
9 minutes into this clip I have seen a NSWGR 12 class, 16 class, QR 4-6-0 locomotive and a GWR 2-6-2T locomotive. Not many Victorian locomotives. Great information though.
Good ol' quarantine Train Man having a great time picking images that have no relation to the video, my apologies Collin, happy to hear you enjoyed the information side. Thanks
This is quite a sad video but the XPT derailment has stuck in my head as I was due to travel to Sydney on the XPT two weeks after which has made me realise that if it was 2 weeks later, I could have possibly been involved in it.
But Kirsty you wern't and u are still here.....Over 30 odd years ago I was on Holiday in Hawaii.. one evening i was at a Luo on Honolulo when news came thru that a plane with a load of passengers from the big island managed to complete its journey despite the top half of the 737 coming off in flight.. the hostess was lost , the passengers survived...the connection, the previous day I had been on the Big Island and had returned on that flight...I wasnt so still able to pen this to you..All the best.., safe travels when things get better..,keep safe ..
Thank you for treating this subject so respectfully!
Well done Max.
Thank you Stephen, I am glad you think I treated it correctly, certainly different to what I am used to.
@@the_train_man The Kerang one is likely the worst one in the 21st century.
Left comment in Frankston line. Caulfield station May 1926 three died. Plaque on platform 4. Well done. Each video is getting better
Thanks Lindsay, apologies for the late reply 👍
The decapitation photo at 4:22 was a bit of a shock but otherwise a very interesting and well researched video.
Oh my... believe it or not, I never noticed that when I put it in the video, but good pickup 😪
Wierd how the head landed upright.
@@the_train_manI know that when people make videos from historical events, there is sometimes little or nothing in way of camera shots from the moment of the tragedy, so those compiling the video inevitably need to use still shot fillers that are either not of that event (or more recent photos of the relevant railway line or station).
So I grabbed a screenshot to see if Google lens would give me a clue as to whether the severed head was from Highett in 1925 or not. Unfortunately Google lens didn't help.
Could The Train Man please pick up Google lens' slack and tell me?
Awesome videos (albeit with this one off sad topic) by the way, especially the ones about former stations.
I only half registered the body next to the car and I rewound thinking "was that what I thought it was?" Then I looked to the right and almost fell out of my chair.
+The Train Man. Melbourne, Australia. Thank you for sharing with us. Very sad and tragic. Let 's not forget these accidents and their victims and those affected.
Well researched Max. Thanks for using my credited Jolimont photo.
Thank you again Richard, always happy to credit the fantastic photos you have taken :)
A nice little video my friend was the driver of the xpt rip John.
8.07 The Violettown Railway Disaster Is Also Very Famous It Was The 50th Anniversary Of The Crash 2 Years Ago In 2019! Again As With The Sunshine Crash Gets Mentioned A Lot In Books About The Victorian Railways Quite A Bit About The Crash In The Keith Turton Book "Six And A Half Inches From Destiny" About The History Of The Melbourne-Wodonga Railway Line!🙂🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️
A sad doco this time. I remember the Violet Town Southern Aurora crash well - only 11 at the time. However, I hadn't even heard of the XPT crash earlier this year.
It must have been very sad to witness the Violet Town crash on the news, and with the Wallan accident, I actually hadn't heard much of it until a few weeks ago unfortuantely, which is very weird, considering it only occured 6 months ago :(. Thanks again
@@the_train_man I am amazed that there are people unaware of Wallan XPT fatal crash in Feb 2020.
Was prominent on every TV and radio news service eg Chanel 7 :
ruclips.net/video/4eiq86F8Cm4/видео.html
A trend to not want to keep up with the current news perhaps?
Nine news and ABC news also on line from the coverage on the following day.
There was also a fatal collision when a V/Locity train collided with a truck near Trawalla on 28 April 2006. Killed were the train driver's mother who was riding in the front carriage, and another passenger. The train driver was severely injured.
I saw it
The other victim was a good friend of mine the late Vic Greensill
Well done Max. Very informative. The images you provided of the actual incidents really added to the experience.
Thank you Peter, I appreciate the positive feedback, hopefully accident videos in the future will be at this standard
Here's another accident worth mentioning. The Salesyard Rd, Benalla K183 accident of 2002. This was a special service crewed by West Coast Railways. A B-Double truck failed to give way to the train, hitting the truck head-on. The train driver, fireman and one footplate visitor was fatally injured. Another footplate passenger was seriously injured. No other injuries were reported. K183 was placed in storage, and there is still a lot of controversy over whether or not it should be restored. However, recently it has been taken out of storage for a full damage assessment to determine whether it is restorable or not.
The full report is available here for those who want to read it: www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2002/RAIR/pdf/rair2002003_001.pdf
Thank you Floyd, very sad and interesting, I wasn't aware of the crash, so I am sure I will look into it for a future video, thanks again
Be careful if you cover it. It’s about the most sensitive accident in modern railways. A lot of people are still very touchy about it, especially K183. But I look forward to you covering it in the best possible way.
Well that's one I didn't hear about until today.
Update: K183 has been restored and is now running heritage services again.
The fireman was a personal friend may he rest in peace
I think you also forgot the cranbourne level crossing accident at abbotts road. but great video! keep it up! =)
Thank you Ricky, I was looking at fatalities in this video, but I will cover more accidents with 1 or 2 fatalities, like the Abbotts Road accident, thanks for the suggestion!
Dandenong
This is an excellent documentary! Thank you for this
No worries Jesse, glad you enjoyed :)
4:11 highett acceint i was born in 2010 23rd of march i was told about this on by birthday and the wallan i was in the the frount carrige that nearlly tirp over
Keep the good vids coming train man
My thoughts and prayers to out to all that have suffered from any of these accidents! Cheers from Canada!
Thanks for watching all the way from Canada, how cool, and my thoughts are with those people as well
The 1860s were the darkest decade of the victorians era. The Authorities did very little about safety till the 1880s decade.
Nice one, this one is so interesting! I will act respect to those that was involved in these accidents.
Thank you again, it is important to remember those who lost their lives.
Thanks, I agree with you mate. :)
Train Man, another excellent production with some very sad illustrations. The respectful tone of your voice hit just the right note as well.
Glad you think so Barney, that was the goal of the video, to pay respect and inform about these tragic times.
This video was an eye-opener. When I think of train accidents, I think of trains...now I thinks cars and trucks, too. Well-done.
Thank you Train Man, very well produced and very well researched.
Thanks very much Tony, glad you enjoyed it, I appreciate the comment
i think you should do a separate video on the syndal collisison! since it occured near where you live! thanks for the brilliant content Max!
I never realized we had all these accidents in Victoria, a well put together account of these terrible accidents , thank you for posting .
Condolences to all those involved .
With a bit of luck the crossing removal operations in Melbourne will also happen out in the country areas improving safety.
On the crossing removals , i happened to be going for a walk in reservoir around one of the footy ovals and thought id take a look at the nearby k eon park railway station which has been recently upgraded with the raising of the rail tracks to get rid of the rail, road crossing.
I think they did a bloody good job , it's just a pity it took so long for the authorities to get these dangerous crossings upgraded.
When I was researching Victorian railway accidents, crossing accidents and train only related accidents were counted separately by the rail authorities. Still a lot of tragedy.
Great compilation.A lot of those Boronia clippings look familiar. :)
Thank you Danny, interesting to hear about the seperate reporting, I wonder why...
@@dannynolan8863 I know a guy who was a first on the scene at the Boronia accident. It was a church bus and he also belonged to a local church, so perhaps his friends? He told me a little about it, in that he had just received his licence so driving his car.
I can't ask him more because the last I heard, he had severe dementia.
Well done Max, the voice over is excellent. Virtually no stumbles at all.
Thank you John, I was very happy with my overall presentation. It is amazing what a few retakes does to a video.
@@the_train_man It sure does. But you are also taking your time and not rushing. A massive improvement. Everything is clearly pronounced and hardly any slurs. The whole video has the same pace and relaxed feel. Much better than constantly changing pace and changing feel. This is really good work Max.
Respectful and informative. Well Done TrainMan.
Thank you again Mick, happy to hear of you enjoyment of the video
Thank you so much for the coverage Max, I remember that night I was watching tv and hearing breaking news about the crash at 7:50 pm.
Just a little feedback here, I think you should've said "Sydenham, near the site of Watergardens".
Because we don't wanna say that Watergardens existed back then, also, about Highett, I think you should've translated miles to Kilometres as 95% of your viewers are Aussies.
Thank you overall and hopefully we see those hcmt's soon!
Thanks for the feedback Alex and glad you liked it!
Alex The Noobish Gamer Australia used imperial until the 70s, so a lot of information on older accidents etc is in imperial.
Floyd Bromley yes I know, my dad spent his first years of life with imperial.
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A very moving video, I used to transfer trains at sunshine and there's a memorial stone at the end of platform 1 under the over pass. There also was a train accident in Laverton in 1974 or 75 I stand to be corrected where an up train from Geelong was supposed to cross over to the other side track but the signals were incorrectly set and the train derailed striking the bridge pillion and resulting in 1 death. I have only the slightest memory as I would only have been 9 at the time.
Thank you Steve, that was my goal for the video, to educate and portray such devastating times in a video. The Laverton accident is a sad, but interesting one. I will have a look at it in the future, and hopefully visit the site of the derailment. Thanks again
July. 10 th. 1976. Yes. I should know. My mother was killed in that accident. 😭😭😭😭😭. 44 years ago.
@@the_train_man would be interesting to do a page on the accident. Laverton 1976. As it was 6 months before. Granville. Very similar.
@@stevecini2964 a sad time and condolences. ❤️
@@steveweatherly1965 Thank you. It still hurts. Every. July 10th. Thank you for your comments.
This is probably gonna be to be the most saddest video but it’s very interesting
And yet nowhere near as tragic as your grammar!
Cool but sad video. At the time of the Highett crash the crossing wasn’t in a roundabout shape, 2 of the pictures seen in this video show the original alignment. In 1980 it was changed to a roundabout when the crossing got boom gates. The Horsham crash happened on the western highway ( then called dimboola road ) but not on the serviston/Western SG line. Happened on the Carpolac line which comes off the serviceton line just before the hazel street crossing . The line has been abandoned since I think 1987 and has since been ripped up. The Boronia crossing was grade separated in 1998 not 1996 and the southern aurora crash happened at the Mcdiarmids rd Crossing, not Cowslip street which is where the memorial gardens are
Wow, too much information you have there Applehead. I know of less than half of that stuff. Can't believe I said 1996 for Boronia haha, and I knew that the VT crash occured at the Mcdiarmids rd. That is pretty much it though, thank you for the info!
Very well done. Thank you. When you were putting this together, did you think that for one or two of these accidents
that there may be enough for their own videos going into a bit more detail? Cheers.
Thank you. For some of these accidents (eg. Southern Aurora) they will get their own videos when I actually visit the places themselves, but for now, in Lock downs, hopefully this video does the tragedies justice. Thanks again
It was Spencer Street Station,back in those days,@The Train Man!.
The crossing in Horsham has been replaced with another crossing. There is however a crossing on Edith St to Dooen rd that has had many accidents and is due to be fixed and/or removed.
Great piece of work here in compiling this video too, as always.The reality also is that most of these "accidents" are not accidents. They are crashes and most crashes are avoidable. Someone or something causes a crash. The Kerang investigation was an embarrassment for the Victoria Police, V Line investigators, and for the court system in Victoria. Here we had a truck driver, (you know, the type that want the community to call them "professional drivers), who was driving a semi too fast for road conditions, speeding at around 100kph into the train on the crossing. He refused to be interviewed , and when charged, pleads not guilty and he gets off basically in Court at Bendigo with a slap on the wrist, being found not guilty of culpable driving causing death. At least he was sued in the civil jurisdiction by some on the train later. Police should have appealed the original court decision at the time. Very weak effort.
Thank you Brian. Your insights are interesting, I agree with you. Most accidents are crashes, whether they be severe or minimal, and the fact that a severe one was caused by a speeding truck astounds me. It was most likely all of his fault, and 11 people died from his actions, very sad. Thanks again
"He refused to be interviewed" He would have been told that by his legal counsel. He did exactly what he needed to do to stay out of prison. Personally, I would have done the interview. I think the fact is he drove through that intersection over 100 times and his brain never even considered that flashing lights meant there was a train imminent as the previous plus 100 times he never had to process that information. I highly doubt that he was distracted by something, more like most drivers doing long trips out there would have been zoned out doing the same trip over and over. Yes, that's their profession to deal with that but only human at the end of the day. Personally, he should have done Jail time, and from my perspective, I could not live with myself knowing I fucked up so badly that 11 people died so the case would have been moot anyway. It's amazing he survived but I doubt in the last years of the accident it was a life worth living and barren of any single achievements.
A very nice video paying respect to all those accidents. Very well put together.
Glad you think so Adam, thank you
Great video! I think you handled this topic very well.
Thank you! Glad you liked another video!
Another great video. It's surprising that I've never heard of the level crossing smash at Bonegilla. I did my electronics apprenticeship at Bonegilla army base.
Thanks for doing this. I was 7 when the Southern Aurora went over.
Our grandmother. lived at 164 Rupert st West Footscray and we gathered there every couple of nights and being across the road from Tottenham station &c. we would all run out the front when the big interstate bound trains would pass.
I love trains because as an infant , id sleep in the front room till it was time to go home and all those shunting trains going all night were a lullaby.
Id like to see yu go and film a day trip to that memorial.
Well put together video. Thank you for your hard work
Well Done Once Again Train Man!🤗👌👍🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️
Very interesting film - we hear very little of Australian railway events over here in England. I didn't know, for example, that VR used trains visually identical to our HST stock until seeing this. I think a couple of English railway pictures sneaked in there as well - the VR certainly didn't use GWR heavy tank engines, did they? That banker in the penultimate story was way off her normal beat!
That XPT has nothing to do with Victoria, other than there is a service from Sydney to Melbourne. They were purchased by the NSW government as a replacement for some of their longer distance services. Modified for a top speed of 160kmh
Yes, I spotted the GWR 2-6-2T as well, I wonder why it's there as nothing to do with any accident, least of a Victorian one!
Can’t wait to see those!
I live in albury and hearing about the wodonga one saddens me, where is the plaque? I want to go there and pay my respects
I came from Victoria ,I new nothing of the history of these train crashes ,very interesting .
Love the vid as always. No Windsor incident though! That's my face accident in history
And that is why I left it out. It may be a bad decision, but I am going to do a completely special different video for it. I know the most about it of any crash and would like to explore into what happened by going to the scene
I worked in the railways 84- 88 as a signalman. No crashes or stuff up's. I have fond memories of these times
That is very cool Midas Touch, I am jealous of your signalman experience, happy to hear you made some good memories as well
Fantastic video Train man,Thank you
You didn't mention about the Trwalla Accident with a velocity in 2006. No mention of the 2002 accident with K183 killing 3
The xpt accident the second person to die wasn't a co-driver it was a pilotman due to the CTC failures.
But thank you for treating this subject with caution and care, for some one who has been involved in one of these accidents it's a very touchy subject, so thanks for your care and respects
With these sort of historical things the original station names should be used, with the 1908 Sunshine crash the trains were heading towards Spencer Street as the Southern Cross renaming was 100 years off and Watergardens is a new separate Station to Sydenham which the Bendigo Train had been cleared to pass through towards Sunshine.
One of my direct forefathers was in the Jolimont accident and the Windsor accident. What are the odds👀
Melbourne has certainly had it's share of accidents, great video again max good on you mate keep going your doing really well..
Thank you John, glad you enjoyed again, hopefully I can do a few more videos on the accidents in the future, although they are quite sad to make, so maybe mixed in with the happier videos
@@the_train_man It's all good max this is just what happens in life don't feel bad mate, most of it was long before you and me were born totally beyond our control.
But unfortunately these things happen even today.
That was a good video mate.
One of the locomotives from the Richmond 1910 crash, E494 (now E369), is actually preserved.
What terror must have been felt by all victims inside the carriages and engines in a crash. And other impacted vehicles. Makes me shudder to imagine it. A solemn history lesson well presented, thank you.
Thank you very much, I agree that it is unbelievable how scary and tragic that experience would be :(
Nice work keep it up mate but you forgot the crash on the glenwaverly line at syndal station on November 20 1989
Thanks Sam, I promise I didn't forget the Syndal crash, I will be looking at it in another video!
Sad to hear the people who lost their lives in those fatal accidents rest in peace to all of the people.
Thanks Maryann, great to see you on another video.
Great job. A great video, enjoyed it. Keep up the good work.👍
Thank you very much Kenneth, happy to hear of your enjoyment
With the Kerang crossing crash, what happened to the truck driver though?
Pretty sure he got found 'not guilty' for all charges, I'm not educated enough to figure out if it was good call or not.
Good stuff, well researched, I do remember the Southern Aurora Accident vividly . I love that train had a chance to travel on it 4 or 5 times before they stopped spending money on it.
Fascinating, such a shame that I will never get to experience the Southern Aurora how you did back in the day. Glad you enjoyed another video :)
Here in Chicago, USA we have way too many grade crossings. More than one collision per week.
Shocking :(, we have been very lucky in Australia in regards to rail accidents
Crazy to see you watching from the US!
Highett....lose head (4.22) in midle of the road. Quite rare pic today. Kudos for showing truth.
Believe it or not, I didn't even realise that the head was in the middle of the road when choosing the image, I probably should have blurred it out, but it certainly shows the damage caused.
@@the_train_man
Blurring is just a lie.
Human head is much harder to cut of than movies let us belive.
Truth is allways best.
Cruel, but best.
The southern aroura. I've been by that soo many times wondering why that was there
Love your youtube channel. Can you do a video how the Melbourne rail network grew? What lines and when.
Thanks mate, I appreciate the support :)
I did something quite like your description as my first 2 videos, they are terrible haha, but they cover the history of growth. Scroll down my videos on my channel and you will find them. Thanks again!
Its crazy how many accidents happen when one is running late. RIP to those whose lives were tragically cut short 😔
The Sunshine Railway Accident In 1908 Is Very Famous Gets Mentioned In Many Books on Victorian Railways History!🙂🚇🚃🚃🚃🛤️
Channel 7 have interviewed survivors of the Kerang incident and it is part of a doco series. It should be airing any week now.
That was a great video. It was very sad though. What video have you got planned for this week and What days do you usually upload your videos? Keep up the good work!!
Usually Sundays at 6pm. Next video (this week or next week) will be a Dream Melbourne Train System thanks Tahlia :)
The front wheels on the Loco were worn I thought? My knowledge mostly comes from the docuseries the day of the roses
There was a book called Victorian Railway Mishaps by Marc Fiddian. Pub. 1990.
Hi. Max, a very interesting subject and you have done it really well. Regardless of all the sophisticated safeworking control systems in place there is no control over the human body. However a lot of good emerges from these events. After the Violet Town accident Vigilante Control was installed in locos. Some good emerges.Cheers.
Thank you very much Graeme, I am happy to hear you found the video interesting. I agree, no matter how much we look at safety regulations, there will always be a one in a million situation that occurs. I am happy to hear that of the controls installation after 1969 as well. Thanks again
Absolutely bummed I missed the premiere. But great video The Train Man!
Thanks again Danny, no need to be sad, happy you watched in the end!
TM, great shot of the CRA building @ 1:15!!!
Had to stop and rewind to 4:21 thinking "there's no way that I saw what I think I saw..."
Yeah, no, I did see what I thought.
4:25: they weren't driving an old Ford. This is the 1925 model, so brand new at the time of the accident.
can you do the secrets of the Mernda line?
For sure, that is one of the first videos I am going to do coming out of Lock downs :)
i would also like to comment you forgot to add that the Kerang accident was the worst in V/line history but other then that good video.
Thank you for that extra information 👍
I’ve share this with my dad at gheringhap 🙃 great job max.
In 1990 a book called "Victorian Railway Mishaps" by Marc Fiddian was published.
What! The Richmond crash was filmed? How film back then?
hi buddy ...for got the holmsglen crush. back in 2000 s ? i nearly missed the train.
Wow Bradley. I will look into it in the future I am sure!
0:21 just imagine you walking home from work and you see that
I would laugh, but I am sure some people would be a bit freaked out 😅
0:21 where on earth is that,and what happened?
Very sad video but good work train man.
Thank you Jake, glad you enjoyed the different video
Was that the Serviceton accident at 12.35 ?
Yes, I believe it is
I worked at the brake company when they altered their information to show that there was no vigilance control available at the time of the crash.
Obviously protecting some high official in the state rail authority . I didn't realise at the time the implications
Accidents not looked at in this video will most likely feature in future videos
You forgot to mention the train crash at the Abbotts Road Level Crossing in Dandenong South on the 3rd of November 2012. In that incident a train collided with a truck that failed to stop at the boom gates in time, resulting in the death of 1 passenger and injuries to 5 other passengers. The driver was also seriously injured. The line between Dandenong and Cranbourne was closed for 2 weeks to clear away the mess from the derailment of the train and the buckling of the tracks. Also, the level crossing that intersects Boronia Road and Dorset Road in Boronia got removed in 1998, not 1996.
Thanks Darren, I will hope to look into the Abbotts Road smash in a future video, I remember hearing about it, very sad times for all the people involved. Can't believe I made such a silly mistake by not saying 1998 for the crossing removal, I looked into that only a month ago! Thanks again
is the pic on the screen on the outer circle line?
Don't believe so
The latest 2020 XPT crash was crazy considering there was a special pilot on board to help the driver navigate that section of track.
Very interesting indeed, I have no idea how this could have happened, such a real shame
Hello Max. very well and interesting.
You also missed another crash. of the Broadmeadows Runaway in 2003 17 years later.
Let me explain.
on the 3rd of February 2003, an M>Train Comeng was arriving at Broadmeadows to terminate.
The Driver of the train then switches seats to head back. 22 passengers were on board. He put the train air breaks to Normal Pressesure. (correct me if I spelled that wrong) But it failed.
the driver did not realize and as the driver went into the station toilet, the train started to slowly roll down towards Melbourne. with no driver or person. The station staff looks out and sees the train leaving. until a passenger complained that their train left early. The driver of the train then heads outsides as he finishes but sees That his train is rolling down by its self. he then runs To the train, but it sped up and he could not stop the train.
(not gonna finish the middles parts)
Metrol, the company that controls all signals around melbourne, Tried everything to stop the train but everything was a failure.
Meanwhile, at Spencer street station, there was a City of Bendigo train. N463.
N463 Was waiting at Spencer street station to depart bound for Bacchus Marsh. Meanwhile at Essendon, The comeng train was now going around 102 KPH.
and as it approaches The N463 at Spencer street, it crashes through. The N463 was surprisedly Not damaged. except for the cab infront. The Comeng was damaged from the cab. Luckily, no people died. but 11 were injured.
you can find pictures here:
vicsig.net/phovicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030203-sss-394m-n463-2.jpg
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030203-sss-394m-n463-2.jpg
recovery: (4TH OF FEBUARY)
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-n463-4.jpg
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-apart-2.jpg
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-n463-1.jpg
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-394m-close.jpg
comeng being toad away:
vicsig.net/photo.php?filename=20030204-sss-p15-393m-1048t.jpg
I hope this was helpful and can add it in Part 2 with the benalla crash that i saw in comments!
will use this all in the next instalment, you legend!
@@the_train_man And more info, the train number, it was a 3 carriage comeng.
First carriage: 394M
Second Carriage: 1048T
Last Carriage: 393M
More info on Wikipedia
Sorry if you needed these. Totally forgot
I used to catch the train in sunshine every morning going to school just where the accident happened. I never knew it at the time. There were no plaques or anything.
What about the one in 2012 between a Metro train and a truck?
The decapitated body on the road with the severed head near by at 4:20 is a pretty full on photo bruz I realise its a historical image from the accident but shit mate ease up that's someone's dead relative.
Didn't even see it mate, sorry about that
I hadn't noticed it at all until a couple of people pointed it out. Unfortunately death is still death, however it happens.
9 minutes into this clip I have seen a NSWGR 12 class, 16 class, QR 4-6-0 locomotive and a GWR 2-6-2T locomotive. Not many Victorian locomotives. Great information though.
Good ol' quarantine Train Man having a great time picking images that have no relation to the video, my apologies Collin, happy to hear you enjoyed the information side. Thanks
I cant find the footage of the 1910 Richmond crash
What engine is that?
Pause the video at 0:22 the S class is like hello and please help
Poor thing, must've had a tough run at it
This is quite a sad video but the XPT derailment has stuck in my head as I was due to travel to Sydney on the XPT two weeks after which has made me realise that if it was 2 weeks later, I could have possibly been involved in it.
But Kirsty you wern't and u are still here.....Over 30 odd years ago I was on Holiday in Hawaii.. one evening i was at a Luo on Honolulo when news came thru that a plane with a load of passengers from the big island managed to complete its journey despite the top half of the 737 coming off in flight.. the hostess was lost , the passengers survived...the connection, the previous day I had been on the Big Island and had returned on that flight...I wasnt so still able to pen this to you..All the best.., safe travels when things get better..,keep safe ..
That is interesting and very scary Kirsty, happy to hear that you weren't involved though.
@@edwardcarter31 wow, now that must have been a shock for you at the time. Glad that you are still here today
are you doing station collapse
No collapsing stations in this one
@4:21" .....do my ageing eyes deceive me, or is that a human head in the middle of the photo and a human body near the wreckage?
Laurie Rosevear, driver of the Albury bound goods train in the Violet Town disaster left behind an unborn son.