That's the very first thing I thought when they started fighting each other instead of trying to help us fight. Those two needed a dojo to themselves so they can...spar.
well i guess because people don't know what relationships or SEX are, this is probably the only way they could rationalize and act upon their obvious feelings for eachother
Shulk : The titans were locked in a timeless battle... [the Bionis and Mechonis strike each other at the same time, and they both stop moving] Shulk : ...until at last... only their lifeless corpses remained
except in 1, the fight was a fight of hatred and malice, while 3 was a dance of ambition and admiration, ending in a loving embrace. They are similar sure, but ethel and cammuravi's fight was more of a settling of rivals, and an ending of stories(kinda if you know what I mean).
Funny thing is that when the party told Ethel about how they become Ouroboros she says how she wished she could have been there with a certain someone to also experience what it would have been like
That would have been quite a sight to see. Our group are already rather powerful. Makes you wonder how some other Hero pairings might have turned out. Too bad only six Ouroboros can exist at a time. Would have been cool to see other concepts with these guys.
@@cameroncaraballo4834 Would be a cool DLC actually That allows for 2 heroes at a time and creates Hero Ouroboros pairs Its also just cool to imagine, there looks and dynamics
Their mutual respect and fight rivalry is actually one of my favourite parts about the game cuz they exemplify how fucked up the world is. In Aionios, a world where "fighting in order to live/living to fight" is the rule, the height of passion two people can share for each other is brutal, yet mutual combat. Both Ethel and Cammuravi are dutiful and powerful soldiers without comparison, but they share that hidden affinity for that equality that they both know they only feel with the other. Both of their highest desires is that fated, idealistic rematch where they can throw everything else to the wind and just go off on each other with no care in the world but themselves. The second they’re liberated from their control, they immediately run away from their duty and engage in what they always wanted, ignorant the rest of the world around them and not caring that the height of their desires is being taken advantage of and is draining their life. Its literally a Romeo and Juliet story. They die embraced in each other in close quarters, going out smiling. And it is in that that the real existential vulgarity of Aionios lies, in that the heights of their lives and shared intimacy can only exist smothered in death. They didn't have literal sex, but they made love.
Yeah this is really believable because they don’t know what actual romance is so this is the closest they could get to being together, really awesome way of looking at it.
Ethel even wonders what would’ve become them if they found the stone instead of our cast. SPOILERS BTW We may get both back as hero’s. But the Ethel we met in the desert. Our first hero class character. She died her in this moment.
That's why I didn't understand why someone say they are dumm to fighting each other and not the consul It's the all meaning of the cutsceen. It's something only them can have.
2 warriors going at each other, both excited that someone can finally keep up with them and surprise them to boot. It was their end, their choice, and to be honest, I couldn't be happier for them
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols... Such a shameless series of revolting games... ...
@@Fanboy-ek9yf they only had a week of life at best and they both sought a challenge so in a final act of freedom they chose to satisfy their desire for battle and chose to fight after all even if they lived what would they have. A week of servitude to the counsel. Also the last time they fought they were punished for sparing each other do to a malfunction interrupting their fight.
Really excellent writing indeed. Barely any screen time, but made a hugely lasting impression, even next to Ethel, who we spend a fair bit of time with prior.
You can see how great of a fighter, coordinator, and warrior he is in this one cutscene. Not to mention it highlights the lengths he would go to achieve something, and his quickness to sacrifice something dear to him to further his goals. We only see him for like 4 scenes (if you don't count the hero quest and the ascension quest) but he feels like a character on the same level of depth as the main group.
The whole scene is great the two of them knowing the war they fight is facade put on by the consuls to act as puppet on strings but as act of rebellion they fight each other not for their survival or because of orders but for their own choice and enjoyment and letting the Ouroboros bring the same freedom of choice.
I love that, in the scene where both of them get their new Ferronis, Cammuravi and Ethel are cordial to an extent but once Ethel tells him that Ouroboros are "everyone's hope" (or some other adjective, its my first playthrough). He doesn't question it at all. He doesn't doubt it, doesn't assume she's lying or even misguided. He just goes "yeah? okay we gotta do something then". They fought eachother multiple times yet their honor never comes into question in eachother's mind. Respect
"Two titans locked in an timeless battle... Until only their lifeless corpses remain..." I can't be the only one who thought of that as their ferronises stopped moving
This is absolutely intentional Ferronis also ends in the -nis suffix of the Titans in 1, and has one of the kanji used in Bionis and Mechonis in Japanese
except in 3 it's different. In 1, the titans were fighting out of malice, while in 3, the ferronises were fighting out of admiration, with their final clash being a loving embrace instead of a stalemate, or in the mechonis' case, complete destruction.
i personally believe that these two were never truly rivals, it was just the only relationship they could have, the world and their positions prevented anything else. they obviously respected each other beyond any reasonable limit, and looked forward to there fights on the battlefield more then anything else. it was like their version of a date. it's tragic. the only time they ever got to hold each other was the day they died. at least they get to rest together. this games so well written and it respects the player enough to leave this ambiguous enough that you can choose to connect the dots, or ignore them entirely. so many questions by 40 hours, i can't wait to have them answered tbh i have to say, once i realized the implications of cammuravi dying here, i was a little heart broken.. i was distracted by the moment.. but the second it passed.. and i realized cammuravi's class is probably going to be a reward for some super long, maybe secret mission in end game.. since he's not alive to give it to you himself. it'll probably be finding his spear or something like that. oh well, it looks insane. it'll be all the more satisfying if it needs work to obtain. sort of blew me away when i hit level 40 5 minutes before the clock said 40 hours. i doubt it went this smoothly for everyone, but damn did that make my jaw drop. hope everyone is enjoying as much as i am.
Of course they were rivals. Rivalry isn't always without fair-play, especially when one is basicaly following the bushido (so high morals), and the other is a commander, beloved beyond reason by her subordinates, showing she is deserving of respect, and is still worth following even in her darkest hour. Ethel could never strike an enemy down, especialy if it's because of a maintenance issue Those feelings, respect and purpose she mentionned, it's thanks to this rivalry that they're born. Or you could sum it up by Takahashi being a Nietzsche fan boy, and Nietzsche says that it's because of your enemy that you have a purpose in life, so love him. Exactly what Ethel says and do. And Noah do say "why are you fighting each other? WE're supposed to be your ENEMIES" So yeah. Fair-play rivalry
I believe that because they were the strongest commanders of their respective nations, they were drawn to each other in the sense of them both being the strongest, and their rivalry began as a result of such. Through their rivalry, they began to understand their aspirations and their strength, with them growing to respect each other as not just warriors, but as people.
I don't think people realise that these two had only a few days to live because of the purple flame clocks they were given. They wouldn't have lasted long against O and P, they just took themselves out because their will to fight was strong enough to break free from Moebius control
This scene, and in general the death of Ethel and Cammuravi, never quite sat well with me. I always felt there was something wrong with it, but I never understood what. After reflecting a bit, I believe I've come to a conclusion. Ethel's character serves partly as a mentor to the Uróboros, essentially marking their spirit of rebellion against the Moebius and Aionios in general through her actions. However, in her most characteristic phrase, 'if push comes to shove...' and in her actions, she also indicates that they should look out for the common good, no matter what. Ethel would want to be an Ouroboros, would want to be free like them and accompany them, but she decides not to and goes to the Castle of Keves precisely because, as a commander, she has a responsibility to fulfill and a colony to maintain. Heck, supposedly, that's precisely why her dream was to kill Cammuravi in combat. This scene, for me, is a total contradiction of Ethel's character. By choosing not to obey and fighting among themselves, the Consuls should have signaled the castle to annihilate Colony 4 in one fell swoop-they only forgot because they were idiots. By confronting Cammuravi, she is selfishly putting her own dream above the common good, her responsibility, and her colony. While it was necessary to give the Ouorobors a message of rebellion against authority, telling them to rebel in any circumstance regardless of the consequences and their responsibilities just seems immoral to me. At the very least, they could have helped them kill the Consuls and then fought to the death afterward.
Ethel stated when you save her that her goal is to battle Cammuravi once more before her death (which was soon since both her and Cammuravi are 10 terms) and all of colony 4 also wished to achieve that goal even when they no longer had to fight. This is what they wanted to finish a fight the two had interrupted by Cammuravi’s levnis’s knee getting blown out. She spared him since she didn’t want to best him that way. They both love fighting and each other were the only equals they found on the battlefield
They lived their whole lives as slaves forced to fight against their will. Now they got to choose their own destiny. and they chose to fight on their own terms.
They died the way THEY chose, on their terms, instead of having their destiny decided by somebody else. They gave meaning to their deaths by exerting their will for the first time in their short life
Clearly you missed the whole point and themes of the game about getting to chose how you die and completely misunderstood there reasonings you no been close to death and them wanting to have a fair fight on even ground whilst having some connection they are just unsure what it is cus the whole world have no idea what love and romance is theres alot more to it aswell if you actually watch and listen to the cutscenes
I think when I got to this point of the game, is when I didn’t give a shit about the story anymore. You literally KILLED two characters for no reason LOL. “They wanted to finish their fight, they died on their own terms!” Like what? Let me get this straight. You’re taken away from your Colony, forced to fight the people that liberated you. And now that you’re “free” you decide to fight one another instead of attacking the greater evil, the counsel? You just let P and O stand there, while you fight and settle some dumb ass fight from years back? Like it was so stupid. This was such shitty writing and it just makes both characters look bad. They looked so damn selfish. It would have been honorable if they decided to fight P and O or something man lmfao. This shit made no sense to me and it’s just retarded
At that point, they didnt care about ouroboros, they didnt care about the consuls, the only thing that existed to them, were each other, and their blades. Senseless fighting to the death is what they live for, and what they wanted to die for.
It just shows how little you understand about love and fighting for what you belive in. Both Ethel and Cammuravi where at the end of there lives with probably only days left til there homecoming combined with the fact that the consuls could just drain there life-force away this was there final opportunity to end things on there own terms and the way they always wished 2. The game all but spells out at this point that both of them had fallen in love but with no idea what romantic love is all they know is that fighting each other makes them feel alive so they die embracing each other one last time.
@@barrykane7844 1. Stop being condescending or making dumb assumptions. I paid attention to the cutscenes, the small but very many cutscenes that consists of vague and short dialogue. “Our fate was intertwined..Heh…” * absolute silence* end cutscene. There was no build up between these two characters for me to literally give a damn about them dying. I get that they fell in love with fighting each other and wanted to end how they wanted to end.. but you can’t go “Ourobous we need you to make a better future…” while in that same breathe, had the option to help them, but decide to say “fuck everything ima be selfish and do this.”
@@4wheal Bro if you don’t stop with these condescending and snide remarks like you know me LOL. Like discuss like a civil person or get out my face. does the game tell you, Ethel had X days to live? No lol. Mio had 2 months, the game is clear with that much. But Ethel? We dunno lol. It isn’t explicitly stated. Regardless here are the facts. Ourobous liberated Colony 4. They gave supplies to colony 4. They are on a grand mission to change the tragedies of this world, something Ethel herself had voiced that she wants to change as well despite liking the fighting. Also I don’t know if the game spells out. Ethel was in love with Camanari. Just that she loved fighting and loved finishing what they had started prior to the main games storyline.
@@fallenstars8775 Okay, so that’s the real answer then. I’m glad you spelled it out for me, because that’s all I got. “They love to senselessly fight to the death, and throw caution to the wind?” Like what pissed me off is. You fight against Ourobous, serving as an obstacle.. you break free from the mindcontrol…and then you decide to just kill yourself instead of helping Ourboris lmfao
They keep trying to pass off women as the strongest warrior in the game and i am just not buying it lol. A female mage as the strongest would be believable imo. Must be a Japanese fetish. I noticed this in several JRPG's i played recently. Ethel in this, Avlora and her mentor being the strongest warriors in Triangle Strategy, Sylvia the undefeated colosseum grand champion in Ys VIII, etc.
@@pixnclix8619 Did you write 2 comments? Because only the second one is visible for me. Anyway its not a big deal just a bit of an eye roll for me like it was in triangle strategy.
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols... Such a shameless series of revolting games... ...
That awkward moment when you strongly disagree with someone's opinion (yet respect their right to their opinion) but also dislike the rabid fanboys responding to the person.
i understand being uncomfortable at the mixed bath but it was to demonstrate that their lives and bodies are solely for fighting to the point they don’t know intimacy or any of that stuff, they are only taught war and something that isn’t normal is normal for them. it does a good job at setting up how screwed their system was
The most actually canon "Fuck Fight" rivalry of all time. God fucking bless
That's the very first thing I thought when they started fighting each other instead of trying to help us fight.
Those two needed a dojo to themselves so they can...spar.
Oh my god it wasn't just me thinking that
well i guess because people don't know what relationships or SEX are, this is probably the only way they could rationalize and act upon their obvious feelings for eachother
If they weren’t in the mechs, in their final moments before Turning to dust they would’ve totally made out.
Having been in one once... yes.
Shulk : The titans were locked in a timeless battle...
[the Bionis and Mechonis strike each other at the same time, and they both stop moving]
Shulk : ...until at last... only their lifeless corpses remained
…that is the most poetic comment to perfectly symbolize this moment.
@@MisteRRYouTuby I wonder if the developers had that exact moment in their minds when they created this fight
@@matthewclokus7311 of course!
except in 1, the fight was a fight of hatred and malice, while 3 was a dance of ambition and admiration, ending in a loving embrace. They are similar sure, but ethel and cammuravi's fight was more of a settling of rivals, and an ending of stories(kinda if you know what I mean).
These two would have made an Ouroboros so broken that I can not even describe
Funny thing is that when the party told Ethel about how they become Ouroboros she says how she wished she could have been there with a certain someone to also experience what it would have been like
@@4wheal I wonder how that would go because their wish to kick each others ass is too strong.
That would have been quite a sight to see. Our group are already rather powerful. Makes you wonder how some other Hero pairings might have turned out. Too bad only six Ouroboros can exist at a time. Would have been cool to see other concepts with these guys.
@@cameroncaraballo4834 Would be a cool DLC actually
That allows for 2 heroes at a time and creates Hero Ouroboros pairs
Its also just cool to imagine, there looks and dynamics
@@mk_gamíng0609 I smell some wonderful fan-made Ouroborus pair art for the xenofans to have at their disposal
Their mutual respect and fight rivalry is actually one of my favourite parts about the game cuz they exemplify how fucked up the world is.
In Aionios, a world where "fighting in order to live/living to fight" is the rule, the height of passion two people can share for each other is brutal, yet mutual combat. Both Ethel and Cammuravi are dutiful and powerful soldiers without comparison, but they share that hidden affinity for that equality that they both know they only feel with the other. Both of their highest desires is that fated, idealistic rematch where they can throw everything else to the wind and just go off on each other with no care in the world but themselves. The second they’re liberated from their control, they immediately run away from their duty and engage in what they always wanted, ignorant the rest of the world around them and not caring that the height of their desires is being taken advantage of and is draining their life. Its literally a Romeo and Juliet story. They die embraced in each other in close quarters, going out smiling. And it is in that that the real existential vulgarity of Aionios lies, in that the heights of their lives and shared intimacy can only exist smothered in death.
They didn't have literal sex, but they made love.
Yeah this is really believable because they don’t know what actual romance is so this is the closest they could get to being together, really awesome way of looking at it.
I mean, Romeo and Juliet absolutely did not die smiling, but everything else was more-or-less on point.
This is possibly one of the most exact and well thought out explanations I have ever seen, good job
Ethel even wonders what would’ve become them if they found the stone instead of our cast.
SPOILERS BTW
We may get both back as hero’s. But the Ethel we met in the desert. Our first hero class character. She died her in this moment.
That's why I didn't understand why someone say they are dumm to fighting each other and not the consul
It's the all meaning of the cutsceen. It's something only them can have.
This moment was sad but hype at the same time. And when Cammuravi took his eye out I was like this man certified himself as a badass!
I mean you can in cannon revive both of them so if the final story expansion is what it's likely gonna be I'm excited.
@@BrianXist You should probably edit or delete your comment due to spoilers.
actual GIGACHAD meme without the meme.
@@dantelawrence4676 A general rule of thumb for YT vids: If you don't want the plot to be spoiled, don't look at the comment section.
2 warriors going at each other, both excited that someone can finally keep up with them and surprise them to boot. It was their end, their choice, and to be honest, I couldn't be happier for them
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols...
Such a shameless series of revolting games... ...
@@gravityfallscanada Stop following me pretty sure your the occult
I never understood their death it was the dumbest shit I ever seen ever
@@Fanboy-ek9yf they only had a week of life at best and they both sought a challenge so in a final act of freedom they chose to satisfy their desire for battle and chose to fight after all even if they lived what would they have. A week of servitude to the counsel. Also the last time they fought they were punished for sparing each other do to a malfunction interrupting their fight.
@@JoseSanchez-fk9dg how you know they had a week left?
We did not know Cammuravi long, but this cutscene was enough to make me really like him
While I feel we could’ve had more. He definitely left an impression after taking his eye.
Really excellent writing indeed. Barely any screen time, but made a hugely lasting impression, even next to Ethel, who we spend a fair bit of time with prior.
You can see how great of a fighter, coordinator, and warrior he is in this one cutscene. Not to mention it highlights the lengths he would go to achieve something, and his quickness to sacrifice something dear to him to further his goals. We only see him for like 4 scenes (if you don't count the hero quest and the ascension quest) but he feels like a character on the same level of depth as the main group.
The whole scene is great the two of them knowing the war they fight is facade put on by the consuls to act as puppet on strings but as act of rebellion they fight each other not for their survival or because of orders but for their own choice and enjoyment and letting the Ouroboros bring the same freedom of choice.
I love that, in the scene where both of them get their new Ferronis, Cammuravi and Ethel are cordial to an extent but once Ethel tells him that Ouroboros are "everyone's hope" (or some other adjective, its my first playthrough). He doesn't question it at all. He doesn't doubt it, doesn't assume she's lying or even misguided. He just goes "yeah? okay we gotta do something then". They fought eachother multiple times yet their honor never comes into question in eachother's mind. Respect
"Two titans locked in an timeless battle... Until only their lifeless corpses remain..."
I can't be the only one who thought of that as their ferronises stopped moving
This is absolutely intentional
Ferronis also ends in the -nis suffix of the Titans in 1, and has one of the kanji used in Bionis and Mechonis in Japanese
@@YasEmisDaBusThere is the plack of the bionis and mechonis fighting still in alcemoth
except in 3 it's different. In 1, the titans were fighting out of malice, while in 3, the ferronises were fighting out of admiration, with their final clash being a loving embrace instead of a stalemate, or in the mechonis' case, complete destruction.
In another world, they were fucking
Hard
The next world, perhaps.
In multiple worlds. That's just how hard they were doing it that time and space had to bend to accommodate it.
i personally believe that these two were never truly rivals, it was just the only relationship they could have, the world and their positions prevented anything else. they obviously respected each other beyond any reasonable limit, and looked forward to there fights on the battlefield more then anything else. it was like their version of a date. it's tragic. the only time they ever got to hold each other was the day they died. at least they get to rest together.
this games so well written and it respects the player enough to leave this ambiguous enough that you can choose to connect the dots, or ignore them entirely.
so many questions by 40 hours, i can't wait to have them answered tbh
i have to say, once i realized the implications of cammuravi dying here, i was a little heart broken.. i was distracted by the moment.. but the second it passed.. and i realized cammuravi's class is probably going to be a reward for some super long, maybe secret mission in end game.. since he's not alive to give it to you himself. it'll probably be finding his spear or something like that. oh well, it looks insane. it'll be all the more satisfying if it needs work to obtain.
sort of blew me away when i hit level 40 5 minutes before the clock said 40 hours. i doubt it went this smoothly for everyone, but damn did that make my jaw drop.
hope everyone is enjoying as much as i am.
Of course they were rivals. Rivalry isn't always without fair-play, especially when one is basicaly following the bushido (so high morals), and the other is a commander, beloved beyond reason by her subordinates, showing she is deserving of respect, and is still worth following even in her darkest hour.
Ethel could never strike an enemy down, especialy if it's because of a maintenance issue
Those feelings, respect and purpose she mentionned, it's thanks to this rivalry that they're born.
Or you could sum it up by Takahashi being a Nietzsche fan boy, and Nietzsche says that it's because of your enemy that you have a purpose in life, so love him. Exactly what Ethel says and do. And Noah do say "why are you fighting each other? WE're supposed to be your ENEMIES"
So yeah. Fair-play rivalry
I believe that because they were the strongest commanders of their respective nations, they were drawn to each other in the sense of them both being the strongest, and their rivalry began as a result of such. Through their rivalry, they began to understand their aspirations and their strength, with them growing to respect each other as not just warriors, but as people.
Is it just me or does anyone remind this battle of Mechonis and Bionis? It’s kind of a retelling of Xenoblade 1.
It's a retelling of Gears too
Adding elements of the Blade lifecycle to the mix.
Funny when you considered for a time, Shulk embodied the Bionis and Fiora embodied the Mechonis
One of my favorite Scenes. A rivalry worth dying for.
my heart breaks at how much they care about each other yet they only know how to express it by killing each other because it's all they've ever known
To choose to die how they want in a world that gives you no choice is kind of beautiful
Cammuravi the real gigachad
Glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw the sexual undertones in this
Put Drifting soul to the part when Ethel and Cammuravi start fighting each other. Its immaculate.
CAMMURAVI IS VOICED BY SYLVANDO 💀
From DQ11?
@@anonymouss1270 Yes… darling
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I find it hilarious how they named the morbidly obese consul "O". Dude's literally shaped like one
"He didn't just- no, he didn't.
Holyfuck he *did* remove his eye"
Were my exact thoughts. Cammuravi is a badass, I swear
To live and end your life the way you want to. What a great scene
They are not fighting they are sparring, that's how I felt. Rivals and friends till the end.
Spoilers:
Even when you get her back and turn her into an adult, he’s like, “Let’s fu-fight!”
Ethel is Waifumaterial damn straight.
Excellent writing this scene. One of the game’s best.
I don't think people realise that these two had only a few days to live because of the purple flame clocks they were given. They wouldn't have lasted long against O and P, they just took themselves out because their will to fight was strong enough to break free from Moebius control
This is such icónic moment!
This reminds me of kiryu vs ryuji a lot
SPOILERS***!!!
Maybe one day, with the worlds as they should be, these two might meet again and fulfill what these incarnations could only dream of.
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You know it would've been kind of nice if they helped us first and then had their fight
What is the music here called? Plz..
Ethel looks euphoric lmao wtf
Having once been in a similar fight... euphoric IS the right emotion
The sad case of suicide by duel..
I thought it was Eunie... I have found my waifu for this game❤❤ It was love at first sight, Ethel was just that gorgeous😍😍😍
This scene, and in general the death of Ethel and Cammuravi, never quite sat well with me. I always felt there was something wrong with it, but I never understood what. After reflecting a bit, I believe I've come to a conclusion. Ethel's character serves partly as a mentor to the Uróboros, essentially marking their spirit of rebellion against the Moebius and Aionios in general through her actions. However, in her most characteristic phrase, 'if push comes to shove...' and in her actions, she also indicates that they should look out for the common good, no matter what. Ethel would want to be an Ouroboros, would want to be free like them and accompany them, but she decides not to and goes to the Castle of Keves precisely because, as a commander, she has a responsibility to fulfill and a colony to maintain. Heck, supposedly, that's precisely why her dream was to kill Cammuravi in combat.
This scene, for me, is a total contradiction of Ethel's character. By choosing not to obey and fighting among themselves, the Consuls should have signaled the castle to annihilate Colony 4 in one fell swoop-they only forgot because they were idiots. By confronting Cammuravi, she is selfishly putting her own dream above the common good, her responsibility, and her colony. While it was necessary to give the Ouorobors a message of rebellion against authority, telling them to rebel in any circumstance regardless of the consequences and their responsibilities just seems immoral to me. At the very least, they could have helped them kill the Consuls and then fought to the death afterward.
this is hot
I'm surprised the shipping hasn't started yet.
It definitely has, for good reason
@@hydrangeaceae2161 Show me.
No dude it 100% has started it basically is heavily implied or confirmed
@@colony30sshittyproudbanner And I'm saying that while it is heavily implied, I also don't see any fanart on Google images yet.
@@SB-ex8nt well that makes sense, because the game is still pretty new
This is not the best scene, the best scene is right after this moment.
Absolutely meaningless deaths.
Ethel stated when you save her that her goal is to battle Cammuravi once more before her death (which was soon since both her and Cammuravi are 10 terms) and all of colony 4 also wished to achieve that goal even when they no longer had to fight. This is what they wanted to finish a fight the two had interrupted by Cammuravi’s levnis’s knee getting blown out. She spared him since she didn’t want to best him that way. They both love fighting and each other were the only equals they found on the battlefield
They lived their whole lives as slaves forced to fight against their will. Now they got to choose their own destiny. and they chose to fight on their own terms.
They died the way THEY chose, on their terms, instead of having their destiny decided by somebody else. They gave meaning to their deaths by exerting their will for the first time in their short life
That's the point.
Clearly you missed the whole point and themes of the game about getting to chose how you die and completely misunderstood there reasonings you no been close to death and them wanting to have a fair fight on even ground whilst having some connection they are just unsure what it is cus the whole world have no idea what love and romance is theres alot more to it aswell if you actually watch and listen to the cutscenes
I think when I got to this point of the game, is when I didn’t give a shit about the story anymore. You literally KILLED two characters for no reason LOL.
“They wanted to finish their fight, they died on their own terms!” Like what? Let me get this straight. You’re taken away from your Colony, forced to fight the people that liberated you. And now that you’re “free” you decide to fight one another instead of attacking the greater evil, the counsel? You just let P and O stand there, while you fight and settle some dumb ass fight from years back?
Like it was so stupid. This was such shitty writing and it just makes both characters look bad. They looked so damn selfish. It would have been honorable if they decided to fight P and O or something man lmfao. This shit made no sense to me and it’s just retarded
At that point, they didnt care about ouroboros, they didnt care about the consuls, the only thing that existed to them, were each other, and their blades. Senseless fighting to the death is what they live for, and what they wanted to die for.
It just shows how little you understand about love and fighting for what you belive in.
Both Ethel and Cammuravi where at the end of there lives with probably only days left til there homecoming combined with the fact that the consuls could just drain there life-force away this was there final opportunity to end things on there own terms and the way they always wished 2.
The game all but spells out at this point that both of them had fallen in love but with no idea what romantic love is all they know is that fighting each other makes them feel alive so they die embracing each other one last time.
@@barrykane7844 1. Stop being condescending or making dumb assumptions. I paid attention to the cutscenes, the small but very many cutscenes that consists of vague and short dialogue.
“Our fate was intertwined..Heh…” * absolute silence* end cutscene.
There was no build up between these two characters for me to literally give a damn about them dying. I get that they fell in love with fighting each other and wanted to end how they wanted to end.. but you can’t go
“Ourobous we need you to make a better future…” while in that same breathe, had the option to help them, but decide to say “fuck everything ima be selfish and do this.”
@@4wheal Bro if you don’t stop with these condescending and snide remarks like you know me LOL. Like discuss like a civil person or get out my face.
does the game tell you, Ethel had X days to live? No lol. Mio had 2 months, the game is clear with that much. But Ethel? We dunno lol. It isn’t explicitly stated.
Regardless here are the facts.
Ourobous liberated Colony 4. They gave supplies to colony 4. They are on a grand mission to change the tragedies of this world, something Ethel herself had voiced that she wants to change as well despite liking the fighting.
Also I don’t know if the game spells out. Ethel was in love with Camanari. Just that she loved fighting and loved finishing what they had started prior to the main games storyline.
@@fallenstars8775 Okay, so that’s the real answer then. I’m glad you spelled it out for me, because that’s all I got. “They love to senselessly fight to the death, and throw caution to the wind?” Like what pissed me off is.
You fight against Ourobous, serving as an obstacle.. you break free from the mindcontrol…and then you decide to just kill yourself instead of helping Ourboris lmfao
This scene would've had more impact, if the game didn't look like it has a blur filter over it and it desperately needs anti-aliasing.
They keep trying to pass off women as the strongest warrior in the game and i am just not buying it lol. A female mage as the strongest would be believable imo.
Must be a Japanese fetish. I noticed this in several JRPG's i played recently. Ethel in this, Avlora and her mentor being the strongest warriors in Triangle Strategy, Sylvia the undefeated colosseum grand champion in Ys VIII, etc.
Bro who tf asked or cares let woman be bad asses too lol
Plus the keves characters “disk” on theyre clothes enhances they’re strength so it doesn’t really matter what sex they are
@@pixnclix8619 Did you write 2 comments? Because only the second one is visible for me. Anyway its not a big deal just a bit of an eye roll for me like it was in triangle strategy.
Trying to understand your comment gave me a headache. What is it that you’re trying to say?
@@JickAudio It must be you. The other guy didn't seem to have any problems.
From mixed bath scenes to down right promoting polygamy. How repulsive can this game get. At least it not as bad as the fan service in XC2. What a mess, this series needs to end especially with all the occult symbols...
Such a shameless series of revolting games... ...
Oh my god you are all over this channel but idk the polyamory with the spoiler characters are pretty consensual obviously so what’s the problem
And what's your standard, woke TLOU2? 🤡
@@franticfranz22 I bet that its his favorite game of all time
That awkward moment when you strongly disagree with someone's opinion (yet respect their right to their opinion) but also dislike the rabid fanboys responding to the person.
i understand being uncomfortable at the mixed bath but it was to demonstrate that their lives and bodies are solely for fighting to the point they don’t know intimacy or any of that stuff, they are only taught war and something that isn’t normal is normal for them. it does a good job at setting up how screwed their system was
o just notice that genji voice actor lol
OW?
Seriously?!
Who?? As in who does genji voice
@@genesisspace5331 genji voice actor from overwatch is doing Cammuravi voice.
HOLY SHIT I KNEW IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR